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May 1, 2025 15 mins

This week on Ask the Expert, animal behaviourist Mark Vette answers questions related to dog-related issues.

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
So.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Mark Vidi is a world renowned animal behaviorist, dog trainer,
and educator who has been working with animals for over
forty years. He's a trained animal psychologist and created the
Dogs In online training program. He's about to launch cats
In and he joins us once a month for our
Asked the Experts series.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
We're just going to get him back online. He's just
dropped off.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
But if you've got a question for Mark, oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
He is an expert on everything, not just cats and dogs.
We had lamas last time he was on.

Speaker 5 (00:46):
Yeah, that's right, call about an EMU, one about a stoat.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (00:52):
So I've got an interesting question for him when we
get on. Well, not really, but I had this this morning.
I discovered that my dogs basically a musical instrument. So
he was lying in his bed and I put my
foot on him and when I put a little bit
of pressure, he'd make a.

Speaker 6 (01:07):
Noise so I could play like a bellows. So Colin was.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Going, m.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
How long did you do that for?

Speaker 7 (01:17):
Ages.

Speaker 6 (01:18):
Yeah, like ages until till my partner told me to stop.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Did he have other notes as you moved up the ebdment.

Speaker 6 (01:23):
No, he was just seriously, it was it was I
could take it on the road. Actually people would pay.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
It's like their barking dog down in Queenstown. You could
be right next to the right. So we're just about
to get Mark VIDI on that O. One hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the numbers.

Speaker 6 (01:39):
Called should we should we talk to Carol and get her.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
We'll get get get your pripped, get your prepped for
Mark when we get him back on get Carol.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
What sort of pit do you have?

Speaker 8 (01:47):
Well, I've got two small dogs. One's a pure bread
kind of short head sorry short legs wire head Russell,
and the other one's a rescue but the kind of
jack Russell met Yeah, and my partner has a large
kind of hunting gun dog. And when we first got
the dogs together, it was o t you know, they

(02:09):
were a little bit wary, but it was okay, and
then it seemed to be all right, and then all
of a sudden one day it all went very wrong
and one of my little dogs kind of nipped at
the big one, and since then we just have not
been able to get them back together at all. And
I'm just terrified that one of my little dogs who
is going to get right?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, what breeds other dogs?

Speaker 8 (02:31):
So my two are. One of them's a short legged
wire head Russell and she's five. And then I've got
a kind of Jack Russell mixed who's a rescue. He's seven.
He's the one that kind of nipped at the bigger
dog out of kind of fear, I think. And then
bigger dog, my partner's dog, is like a gun dog.

Speaker 7 (02:51):
Yeah, okay, And and is he a male? Is any
of the dogs in fire?

Speaker 8 (02:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (02:59):
Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 8 (03:00):
The two, the bigger dog and the one that nipped
on males and the little jack Russell's are female.

Speaker 7 (03:07):
Right, So it's going to be the males that are
more likely going to have the issue, And that's probably
what's happening. It sounds like the jack Russell's being a
bit of a Jack Russell and you know, just a
little bit dominant and being entire. The two males being
entire will make it the problem more complicated.

Speaker 8 (03:26):
Entire, Sorry, they're not entire.

Speaker 7 (03:29):
Okay, so they're both these sects, Okay, Well, that that helps. Yeah,
So I mean basically, what we're really wanting to do
with the particularly with the Jack Russell, the seven year old,
the one that's kind of initiating what I suspect happening,
is the typical kind of terrier. You know, in situations
where he's feeling slightly challenged, you know, he's standing up

(03:50):
for himself, which is that Perier temperament, what we call
gaminess within the terriers. And so one of the important
things to do each time they come back together this
in the initial stage, is to do what I call
a doggy handshake. And so dogs meet in different ways
than the humans. And so what we want to do
is we want to start by allowing the big dog

(04:11):
to him to sniff the big dog around the rear end,
under the tail, under the groin, and then turned him
around and get the other one to meet him by
sniffing and on. What I would do is get them
both on the clicker and click on the reward them
for social responses. So each time, particularly when they come together,

(04:31):
and particularly when they're hyper aroused and those because that's
when it's more than likely going to happen. Maybe someone's
come to the door, or something's happening, or they're just
first met and having not seen each other for a
few hours or something that's normally the time it happens
for over.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Resources that they're guarding. So do meet and greet technique.

Speaker 7 (04:51):
You can always check out the technique for meet and
greet and it's in the book and then the online
videos if you want to follow it that way. But
basically what you're doing is you're getting getting to smell
the pheromones of the other dog, and the dogs have
a peasing pheromone in their calming pheromones, and so if
you don't go through that initial sniffing that you want

(05:15):
to orchestrate, they're normally they're not really they go to
head to head and it's a much more dominant interaction.
So always try and start with a sniff from each end,
allowing both dogs to sniff whichever one seems to want
to let the other one sniff first. Then do that
and don't go head to head than those situations. Be
careful of high arousal situations whenever one's pumped and worked out,

(05:37):
because they're adrenaline high, they're more likely to fight in
that situation. But doing regular meat and greets like that,
so they get to know each other and get on better.
I'd also be doing some one call clip station work
where I teach them to clip down on a mat
together and click and reward them for meeting each other regularly.
So you're clicking one and feeding and clicking the other

(06:00):
and feeding as long as they're staying together and being
social and friendly. So you're going to build that social
relationship between those two two males, and particularly with the
Jack Russell, who has just said is clearly being a
little bit terrier like, so he's the focus clickers training
with him.

Speaker 6 (06:18):
Think if you call Carol Tyler, are you entire?

Speaker 4 (06:23):
I am absolutely entire. Yeah, do you want to see that? Yeah? Sorry,
Mark to bring you into that.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Good to know you know where to slits now exactly.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
Good afternoon. We've got Mark Vizi with us.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
He is a world renowned animal behaviorist and an expert
when it comes to animals. He's been working with them
for over forty years and he is here to answer
any burning questions you've got about your beloved pets. So, Susan,
you've got a dog that we's inside.

Speaker 9 (06:53):
Yeah, so he's about ten years old and it's been
going on for a long time, and it's always in
a bedroom and when he's left at home on his own.

Speaker 7 (07:04):
Right and was he has he has he had a
period of being house going well and he's fallen back
or is he's been going on since.

Speaker 9 (07:13):
He's normally he's normally so, uh, interesting story. So we
had him for a year and then he disappeared for
two years and he was microchips and the pound and
where he wrung us up and said we've got your
dog and we said we haven't got a dog and
they said, we're found sub So he disappeared for two

(07:33):
years and he came back and it's hard to know,
you know, whether he was traumatized or not. And we
certainly don't know where we went, even though I have
asked him, and so it's yeah, we just where okay.

Speaker 7 (07:49):
And it just started after that said.

Speaker 9 (07:50):
It, yeah, pretty much, I think it. Did you know
that was quite a while ago. That was like, you know,
like seven years ago.

Speaker 7 (07:58):
So yeah, is he is he entire?

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Is he being de sex?

Speaker 7 (08:05):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (08:07):
There was a years of you a s netmark.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Is okay, he's been decex. Do you remember what aids
you was DCEX there.

Speaker 9 (08:16):
Probably in his first year.

Speaker 7 (08:19):
Okay, quite early, so is that now all right? So
normally the most common is he lifting his leg on
things or is he just peeing on the ground.

Speaker 8 (08:28):
And I lift this leg?

Speaker 7 (08:30):
Yeah, yeah, So I suspect he just started doing that
when he was entire. That's what we call maturation or
leg raising and marking. And it's typical that they'll find
scent posts, you know, And that's what he's done here
in the bedroom. It's established the scent post there. So
what I want, first of all, generally I keep doors
closed a long way away from the central being areas

(08:53):
you know, where you spend most of your time.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
It tends to me in back rooms or.

Speaker 7 (08:57):
Downstairs in areas like that.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Where that he does.

Speaker 7 (09:01):
At first the person thing clean that site with one
quarter of white vinigga three quarters of water and generally
squid him from it. But if you're finding that, if
you can't do that, then what I do is a
different technique. Is I clip station them. So I teach
them to go on a clip station a short lead
and as part of his training, and then I clip
station them to the site where he marks. He won't

(09:24):
mark on the site, but he sleeps at so I
established that the sleeping site for a little while, just
for like half an hour at a time, you know,
and he goes, he gets clipped up down there, and
that'll decrease the chance of the marking in that area.
So I'd use those two techniques. He's an older dog,
so it get tends to get a little bit worse
as they get older, so that's probably what you're seeing

(09:46):
as well. And of course if he had some kind
of trauma during that time a way, that can also
make it worse, obviously, So try that technique and the
men done.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
And if it's more complicated.

Speaker 7 (09:58):
You can always give me a call and I'll do
a phone consert whether you and I can take more detail.
Sometimes I need more detail than that to be able
to really find tune a therapy plan.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
Yep, very good, All the best, Susan A.

Speaker 7 (10:11):
Mike.

Speaker 6 (10:12):
I've got a text here.

Speaker 5 (10:13):
My cat, who's still young less than a year, always
takes a crap in the bath little box and both
bathrooms and access outside at wits end. As also have
three young kids. Cat will be rehomed if we can't
sort this situation out. I'm not sure if the three
kids are going in the bath as well, or not going.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
To send the kids.

Speaker 7 (10:35):
Okay, so it's not uncommon first of all that cats
who go in baths of sinks. Surprisingly enough, you can't
actually teach your cat to go on a toiler book
who won't go into that today.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
So what we need to re establish is.

Speaker 7 (10:49):
First of all, is I normally move the little box
out and presume the little boxes in that area, and
normally people put them in bathrooms. So if it's at
all possible, close their bathroom off, systematically move the little
box to another room nearby, and re establish them off
in a room with no bar in it. Because of

(11:11):
that bar here beside the litter box, he goes in there,
he knows he wants to go, and he's making a choice,
particularly if the letter box isn't clean, you know, if
there's a little bit of year and offiece he's in there,
then often he'll decide I'll go and I'll jump in
the bath. So number one, keep the little box clean
and that can make all the difference. So they'd be
the first step. The second step is systematically moving into

(11:34):
say the toilet next door or another room just nearby.
It's suitable and close that bathroom so he doesn't have
access into that for the next four to six weeks,
and that he re established himself in that area, and
then he shouldn't go if he doesn't have the bath
beside him.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Ye.

Speaker 7 (11:52):
Sure, you keep that little box clean, though diet cats
are very fussy about the bit of boxes. Sometimes I'll
have two letter boxes if I need to, and that
might be another good idea, have a second little box
and there he will use that instead.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
That is great, good luck, do you Texter? Well get
Ross then before the break, Ross, we've got about two minutes.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
But you're on with Mark right than we've got.

Speaker 9 (12:16):
Mark.

Speaker 10 (12:17):
We've got a minister now though she gets a very
vocal when someone to approach her. He she doesn't know
or sometimes does know, just to stay where she gets
that embarrassing.

Speaker 7 (12:29):
Yeah, so I teach you know, it will go back
to early socialization and the way you meet and greeted
people in her early developmental period two to four months
and or whoever did that period. So now we go.
Now we need to teach her a new meet and
Greek technique. So I use clicker training for that, and
I teach her through click and reward to touch target

(12:50):
the visitor's hand, and we do formal meet and greek
technique and so it's a click of training switches into
learning state. Click on rewards are for suitable behavior, appropriate favior,
non vocal behavior, and then we can start to reshape
her meet and Greek. But it's got to be done
formally like that. It doesn't take too much effort.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
You need to check it out. Jump on my website
and you'll see the.

Speaker 7 (13:16):
Videos on how to do that, and that'll that's the
technique that I always use in that situation. They can
be a little bit of a kind of a single
person dog, you know the snouzers, and it's.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
A little bit attached. She needs to broaden.

Speaker 7 (13:31):
Her socialization now and using that meet and greet will
do that.

Speaker 10 (13:35):
Okay, so meet and greet online then okay.

Speaker 7 (13:39):
Yeah, just jump on to markdogs in dot com and
it's got a video videos on meet and greet people.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
All the best ross text to here. Mark says, hi,
we have adopted an ex bomb to take dog. He
is six years old. Is great, but he has no
skills at all apart from detecting bombs. Of course, when
it comes to other dogs, we are wondering if he
goes to dog daycare, will that help him?

Speaker 7 (14:01):
Yeah, So normally bomb detection dogs normally grow up in
a pretty cool situation. You know, they normally will socialize
with our dogs. So I'll be surprised that he's not socialized.
Although the fact that they've got him means that he
might have been a foul dog and that might be
an issue dog dog aggression. So normally that technique I

(14:22):
just mentioned the meat and greet humans. I mentioned it before.
The dog dog meet and greet is different, and so
he needs to learn to meet and greet his meat,
to meet and greet dogs in the appropriate fashion. Again,
I use clicker training for that. And so if he's
not too bad and is generally reasonably social, then yes,

(14:43):
doggie daq would be good for him. But if he's
not that good and they're going to need to do
a little bit of decentitization work, and that doggy meat
and greet is the technique I teach.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
So you can again, you can learn that both video
very good. They'll make contact with us and we'll show
you how to do it.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Brilliant, Mark, we're out of time. Once again, we could
do this for our the whole show. But thank you
very much for your time again and we'll catch you
again in a few weeks.

Speaker 7 (15:08):
My pleasent ready talk talking next to next time, Yep,
we'll talk there.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
And that is Mark vid world renowned animal behaviorist. If
you want to find out more, you can go to
his website. It is mark Viti dot com and he
is the creator of dogs in as well, and he's
about to launch cats in as well.

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