There's growing calls to implement price controls on alcohol sold at off-licence stores to boost the hospitality industry and reduce the negative impacts of alcohol harm.
Experts say a significant percentage of alcohol consumed in New Zealand is purchased at an off-licence and consumed in the home, where there's more room for harm.
Caller Sam says it's not fair that off- and on-licence businesses are expected to pay the same levies.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
So we're talking about the price of alcohol at off
versus on licenses. Off licenses, your liquor stores, your supermarkets,
on licenses, bars, restaurants and cafes, et cetera. There has
been a growing call for off licensed premises to have
an increase in the price of alcohol and bars and
restaurants take the text off completely.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
That is your Yeah, no one else is calling for that,
only I'm calling for that.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Someone says I agree with Matt, but don't get behind
a wheel Absolutely, one hundred percent. Yeah, I mean that
is Hi, guys, are the damage done? The damage done
would change as many of those drinking out would be
tempted to drive home. Thanks Brett. I'm not tempted to
drive home when I'm drinking out. I think, I mean,
I think we're getting the message through not to drink drive,
aren't we. I mean, yeah, absolutely slam people that drink
(01:02):
drive and to get home. Yep, absolutely, yea, yeah, absolutely,
But I think people going out and look, the thing
is that people aren't always going out to get hammered.
People go to a restaurant and have a glass of wine, right,
and that should I just don't think that four My
point is eighty four percent of its drunk off off licenses, right.
(01:26):
We want people drinking. I personally want people drinking at
bars because it hires people, that brings community together. There's
a lot of great things, and it's a much safer place,
and nearly all the damage from alcohol happens from people
drinking at home. This person says, if the XIS text
was removed to make it an equal playing field for
(01:46):
off licenses in HOSPO, I can only imagine higher profits
to be made from HOSPO because they'll mark it up.
But if this higher profits made by HOSPO, then they
invest more, they hire more, and that's a good thing.
Right now, they are just holding on a lot of
people complaining about how much alcohol is out is that's
because it's so expensive to run a venue with staff,
(02:07):
with rings security, with the fact that you have to
be open seven days a week. But people are only
going out on a Friday and a Saturday.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
They've got more regulations. They quite often need to have
kitchen stuff. I mean, there's a myriad of reasons, but
those are reasons why it is primarily a safer place
to drink alcohol.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Right Yeah, Sam, welcome to the show. Thank you for
having me your thoughts on that sad But I'm.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Quite passionate about the subject actually, and I'd like to
speak speak how I feel about it. I feel like
if you want to reduce the fulham in Auckland, we've
got to look at where the real risk starts. That's
not your local bar or live music venue. It is
the liquor store. Right now, we walk into a bottle
(02:49):
shop and pick up a high strength bottle of spirits
or a box of archids next to nothing, and that
drives the culture of drinking drinking heavily at home where
there are no limits, no supervision and no support if
something goes wrong. If you go to a venue, it's
a completely different story. That security at the door, trains
(03:11):
bar stuff at the bar, cleaners on site to manage
the hygien so you don't need to clean up your
platform with you know, often live music and entertainment which
brings people together in a safe and social environment. I
mean it's no brainer. We should be directing people to
license venues where they have the safety and security, and
(03:33):
they're built for holding people in a space where people
are drinking.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Do you think it's unfair Sam, that when people talk
about the harm from alcohol they lump it all in together.
So eighty four percent, as I keep saying, is brought
and off licenses, and you know it's sixteen percent brought
at bars and restaurants, but that is all lumped together,
is one big thing. And as you say, Sam, one
part of drinking has a you know, not always but
(04:00):
has a community side to it and a positive side
to it, and one side, I mean the other side
does as well. But it's a very different experience, isn't it.
So do you think it's fair that they're all lumped
together and stats in the way we view.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
It's probably not fair. They're too completely different things, Ooka.
I just live in Melbourne over in Australia, Victoria, and
they have got that alcohol pricing right. They discounted for
on licenses and off licenses. It's heavily packed and it
basically puts the weight on the drink. So if you're
(04:37):
at home, your drinking your hand that you've bought from
the off license, it's going to cost equivalent to kind
of what you would pay on an on license, So
there's no incentive to smash the drinks because they're quite
expensive to be frank, and it's not like in New
Zealand where it averages to be about three dollars for
(04:58):
a bear. There's no value on it here. That's where
I think Albin's drinking culture stems from, is it's so
cheap to drink at home.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
And I wonder if people would, you know, there's a
lot of talk about preloading from young people before they
go to bars because alcohol is expensive and you know,
you're definitely not supposed to be in a bar if
you esteemed there were laws around that. Yes, but preloading
is a big thing, and that I think preloading is
primarily a price thing, isn't it, Sam, It's.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
One hundred percent, you know, like if you say in
the average drink is around three dollars at home from
the off license, you know it's equivalent tool, but you
drink fly for the price of a Boka soda in
a bar. It's nonsensical, like to you know, if you're
if you're a student or you know someone a bit
(05:51):
younger that doesn't make too much money. Of course you're
in a preload. It's way too expensive to drink in
a bar and it drives help in drinking culture and
it's a shame. It's such a shame. Whereas in Melbourne
growing in up, we didn't have that so much because
how cold was expensive. So what would we rather do?
(06:12):
Would be rather be at home and a tiny flat
drinking in a crowded house and then the flats just
wrecked afterwards, and you know they've got to deal with
the aftermath. Or do we just go to the lovely
bar community bar down the road where there's a DJ playing.
You know, there's staff that look after you.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
You might you might meet a lovely lady Sam.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
That's it. That's where all the culture starts.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Or a new friend. Yeah, thank you so much for
your call. Sold it. This Texas is breaking news. Muppets,
supermarkets and liquor stores employ people and invest in our communities. Yeah,
but I don't know. Can you compare just one of
those as the police officer and the story described it,
one of these shittyers.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Almost a great quote, wasn't it. He really laid into hold.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Find that you know, uh, and they do. But can
you com here at just one of those little you
know exactly the kind of bottle store I'm describing with
one person working behind the counter. And look, bless those
people that work behind the counters and those bottle stores.
I mean, that's one of the most terrifying jobs in
New Zealand, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, it is. I mean certainly they yeah, they are
targeted by a line of criminals.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
And look, Andrew, I appreciate your text, but I reckon
the supermarket's going to be right. I reckon they'd be right.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
They'll do just fine. Thank you very much, Right keeno
on your views on this on One hundred and eighteen
eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
For more from News Talks B Listen live on air
or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you
go with our podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk zed B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
So we're talking about the price of alcohol at off
versus on licenses. Off licenses, your liquor stores, your supermarkets,
on licenses, bars, restaurants and cafes, et cetera. There has
been a growing call for off licensed premises to have
an increase in the price of alcohol and bars and
restaurants take the text off completely.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
That is your Yeah, no one else is calling for that,
only I'm calling for that.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Someone says I agree with Matt, but don't get behind
a wheel Absolutely, one hundred percent. Yeah, I mean that
is Hi, guys, are the damage done? The damage done
would change as many of those drinking out would be
tempted to drive home. Thanks Brett. I'm not tempted to
drive home when I'm drinking out. I think, I mean,
I think we're getting the message through not to drink drive,
aren't we. I mean, yeah, absolutely slam people that drink
(01:02):
drive and to get home. Yep, absolutely, yea, yeah, absolutely,
But I think people going out and look, the thing
is that people aren't always going out to get hammered.
People go to a restaurant and have a glass of wine, right,
and that should I just don't think that four My
point is eighty four percent of its drunk off off licenses, right.
(01:26):
We want people drinking. I personally want people drinking at
bars because it hires people, that brings community together. There's
a lot of great things, and it's a much safer place,
and nearly all the damage from alcohol happens from people
drinking at home. This person says, if the XIS text
was removed to make it an equal playing field for
(01:46):
off licenses in HOSPO, I can only imagine higher profits
to be made from HOSPO because they'll mark it up.
But if this higher profits made by HOSPO, then they
invest more, they hire more, and that's a good thing.
Right now, they are just holding on a lot of
people complaining about how much alcohol is out is that's
because it's so expensive to run a venue with staff,
(02:07):
with rings security, with the fact that you have to
be open seven days a week. But people are only
going out on a Friday and a Saturday.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
They've got more regulations. They quite often need to have
kitchen stuff. I mean, there's a myriad of reasons, but
those are reasons why it is primarily a safer place
to drink alcohol.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Right Yeah, Sam, welcome to the show. Thank you for
having me your thoughts on that sad But I'm.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Quite passionate about the subject actually, and I'd like to
speak speak how I feel about it. I feel like
if you want to reduce the fulham in Auckland, we've
got to look at where the real risk starts. That's
not your local bar or live music venue. It is
the liquor store. Right now, we walk into a bottle
(02:49):
shop and pick up a high strength bottle of spirits
or a box of archids next to nothing, and that
drives the culture of drinking drinking heavily at home where
there are no limits, no supervision and no support if
something goes wrong. If you go to a venue, it's
a completely different story. That security at the door, trains
(03:11):
bar stuff at the bar, cleaners on site to manage
the hygien so you don't need to clean up your
platform with you know, often live music and entertainment which
brings people together in a safe and social environment. I
mean it's no brainer. We should be directing people to
license venues where they have the safety and security, and
(03:33):
they're built for holding people in a space where people
are drinking.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Do you think it's unfair Sam, that when people talk
about the harm from alcohol they lump it all in together.
So eighty four percent, as I keep saying, is brought
and off licenses, and you know it's sixteen percent brought
at bars and restaurants, but that is all lumped together,
is one big thing. And as you say, Sam, one
part of drinking has a you know, not always but
(04:00):
has a community side to it and a positive side
to it, and one side, I mean the other side
does as well. But it's a very different experience, isn't it.
So do you think it's fair that they're all lumped
together and stats in the way we view.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
It's probably not fair. They're too completely different things, Ooka.
I just live in Melbourne over in Australia, Victoria, and
they have got that alcohol pricing right. They discounted for
on licenses and off licenses. It's heavily packed and it
basically puts the weight on the drink. So if you're
(04:37):
at home, your drinking your hand that you've bought from
the off license, it's going to cost equivalent to kind
of what you would pay on an on license, So
there's no incentive to smash the drinks because they're quite
expensive to be frank, and it's not like in New
Zealand where it averages to be about three dollars for
(04:58):
a bear. There's no value on it here. That's where
I think Albin's drinking culture stems from, is it's so
cheap to drink at home.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
And I wonder if people would, you know, there's a
lot of talk about preloading from young people before they
go to bars because alcohol is expensive and you know,
you're definitely not supposed to be in a bar if
you esteemed there were laws around that. Yes, but preloading
is a big thing, and that I think preloading is
primarily a price thing, isn't it, Sam, It's.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
One hundred percent, you know, like if you say in
the average drink is around three dollars at home from
the off license, you know it's equivalent tool, but you
drink fly for the price of a Boka soda in
a bar. It's nonsensical, like to you know, if you're
if you're a student or you know someone a bit
(05:51):
younger that doesn't make too much money. Of course you're
in a preload. It's way too expensive to drink in
a bar and it drives help in drinking culture and
it's a shame. It's such a shame. Whereas in Melbourne
growing in up, we didn't have that so much because
how cold was expensive. So what would we rather do?
(06:12):
Would be rather be at home and a tiny flat
drinking in a crowded house and then the flats just
wrecked afterwards, and you know they've got to deal with
the aftermath. Or do we just go to the lovely
bar community bar down the road where there's a DJ playing.
You know, there's staff that look after you.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
You might you might meet a lovely lady Sam.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
That's it. That's where all the culture starts.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Or a new friend. Yeah, thank you so much for
your call. Sold it. This Texas is breaking news. Muppets,
supermarkets and liquor stores employ people and invest in our communities. Yeah,
but I don't know. Can you compare just one of
those as the police officer and the story described it,
one of these shittyers.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Almost a great quote, wasn't it. He really laid into hold.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Find that you know, uh, and they do. But can
you com here at just one of those little you
know exactly the kind of bottle store I'm describing with
one person working behind the counter. And look, bless those
people that work behind the counters and those bottle stores.
I mean, that's one of the most terrifying jobs in
New Zealand, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, it is. I mean certainly they yeah, they are
targeted by a line of criminals.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
And look, Andrew, I appreciate your text, but I reckon
the supermarket's going to be right. I reckon they'd be right.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
They'll do just fine. Thank you very much, Right keeno
on your views on this on One hundred and eighteen
eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
For more from News Talks B Listen live on air
or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you
go with our podcast on iHeartRadio.
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