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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Radio ho kis Off the Record podcast with
Jason Hoyt Mike Minogue and we've got.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
A musical legend in the studio with us fellows. I
don't know if you know that.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Oh yeah, Jane's rain from the band Australian Crawl and James, Yes,
are you still going strong?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I'm still going stronger than ever And I'm not in
the band Australian.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Crawl and your soul I work. Of course, I was
going to say very much.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yeah, I'm still introduces the lead singer of Australian Crow.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
What happened to the band? Disband?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
The band imploded? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (00:37):
Up?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Can you tell me? Was it in a sort of
an ocean of alcohol and a mountain of drugs? That's
the best way to.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Plod it was it was a rivulets of alcohol? Right?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Was there any sort of was there any love making involved?
Speaker 6 (00:52):
Well, you know between the band, I can get very
you know what I mean, Like with my group of friends,
everyone ended up going out with everyone else.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
People got the.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
We're not with other people's wives or girl from there.
Wasn't only that going on, okay, but people were having
relationships Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah they were.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah, that's the end of any being.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You know that went on, you know, healthy healthy, Yeah, yeah, No,
there was no kind of you know, cheating or any
weird that stuff. That's what you're implying, we imploying.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I think what Jason is trying to do here is
normalize his own cheating behavior from a similar time in
his life. So he's trying to find out if you
were doing the same thing, and it's disgraceful quite frankly.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I didn't cheat. I was single form How rock and
roll are you? Man? I stayed single for most of them? Right, Okay,
so it was you know.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah right.
Speaker 7 (01:48):
See, Jason, he's a guy that sleep at night. He
goes from relationship to relationship. He can't be single. He's
like a barnacle that jumps from boats as they pass
and they don't overlap at any point.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
That might have been the case, James. But you know,
it makes for an interesting life, doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I don't know. I yeah, I'm sure it does. I
couldn't handle the stress f me.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
Stress when you say, and I don't mean to dive
into your personal lives for you, when you say you
weren't in relationships? Was that a decision you made because
it interfered with your with your passion.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Well, I was in I was in a couple of
relationship when it started. I was in a relationship. Yes,
when the band that I was in called Australian Crawl
that I'm still not the it loaded in nineteen eighty six. Yes,
I was in a relationship when that band started. But
then unfortunately this the the rigors of being on the road.
It didn't survive. The relationship didn't survive. Unfortunately, she was
(02:46):
a beautiful, wonderful woman. Well that's that girl.
Speaker 7 (02:49):
That's the common theme you see in any like biopic
of any band, right as they always have partners and
it's like we're going to stay together, We're going to
make this work, and it just never does.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It's very hard, genuinely they always said that. But it
is hard to make workers. You're and in those days,
you you'd go over three months, you know, because you're
doing all the time, you playing five nights a week
all over, certainly in Australia and New Zealand, so you
weren't home and there were you know, you're young, ye
and your rock and.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Roll and your rock and roll you're playing the chains
man playing the You're a good looking pairlok too. I
mean I say that in a purely platonic way, James.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Just with your history, Jason, just what you said before.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, say how much time with your solo stuff and
with the band have you spend in New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
On occasion? Quite a bit? I mean we used we
come here a bit and then not come here for
a while, and then come back a bit. But it's
always been, it's always in our hearts. Let me say that, beautiful.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Well, we're brothers, aren't we.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
We are brothers. We're across the sea, and of course
our band, Josh is in our band. Yes, and Josh
has a New Zealand background, and now base player Andy
has a full New Zealand background, And we're sort of
almost half Newsanda, Zach. We are we're true, truly anchick.
And Josh hasn't got a mic. If you want to speak,
you want to speak.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
This speaking, Yeah, Josh.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
I just noticed on the on the bench you've got
Peter Snell signed week.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yes, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Do you tell the story well, Peter Snell four minute mile, yes,
and that happened is sixty three years ago.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Now there it is yea.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Something like that. And Cook's Garden in Union, that's where
I was born. I just mean Peter Snell did the
four minute mile it Cooks Garden in So there you go.
That's an interesting story right.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
There about that. That's how local. We are, totally very
New Zealand.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
If you've just joined us, We've got James Rain, a
former frontman of Ossie Crawl, and also Josh Owen and
with us, you guys are playing a gig tomorrow night
at the Auckland Town Hall. James, you were saying you
were trying to remember if you've ever played there before,
do you like, because if I would remember, if I
played at the town Hall, I would remember that for the.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Rest of my life. Well maybe I haven't. Maybe I haven't.
Maybe I haven't. Genuinely, I know I keep hearing it's
great venue, so I probably haven't. To be honest, I mean,
last a few times I played it, we played outdoor shows.
The first time came here, we did I did a show,
was in that band. I was no longer in the
front with Willie Nelson and yeah, we played here, but
(05:19):
we played the big what's the big park with springs,
So we played the last show the Police ever did
a Western Springs.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Oh wow?
Speaker 7 (05:28):
What was Willy Newson?
Speaker 1 (05:31):
It was great? He was really good. They were really sweet.
We were kids, we were really young, and we were onto.
It was them and Little River banded us and Willy
had at the time his band. I remember at the
time his band. His drummer's name was Paul. His nickname
was Satan Okay, I think it was Satan and he
played with Willy for twenty five years, and I remember
(05:51):
we found that out going. That's incredible. How do you
play with some of the twenty five years? But I
think he's one of his guitar players. They had the
twenty five year memory of tattoos of the Hells Angels.
Oh well, and Hell's Angels joined the tour, right wow,
which meant that the another bike group of bikes joined
the tour who weren't friends with the Hell's Angels, So
that made some interesting There's an interesting kind of dust
(06:13):
up at Western Springs.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
Really the gig, because here's the really famous one where
it was it the Hell's Angels in the States of
the Rolling Stones and stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I've heard about that's Altamont. Yeah, it was in seventy two.
I think that's right.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
So we had our own version of that and you
were in the middle of it, just punching dudes.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, I was. I was just a kid. We were standing,
we were backstage when it all happened, but we were watchingly,
going WHOA.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
When it comes to your songwriting, I wanted to ask
you because I've heard there's a lot of great interviews,
or there's interviews and there's points of views from great
songwriters like McCartney, Keith Richards and Noel Galluher from Oasis
all sort of feel the same thing, and that is
that songs already exist and you have to be there
to get them. Nold Gallagher says it's like fishing. He
(06:55):
just picks up his guitar and he starts playing and
something will come along. And he has written so many
songs where he writes them an almost real time they
just come straight through them. Have you had that experience
with your songs?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yes, I believe to a great to an extent, that
is true. And it really is this really odd, uncanny,
almost spiritual kind of thing that just suddenly happens and
a song will kind of almost just fall out, and
you know, and you're surprised to go, what's happen? Yeah,
that's weird, that's how did that happen? Yeah, I mean
(07:27):
when it happens a couple of times, you start to
think about it. When it happens the first few times,
you're just doing it because but you really do, and
when you hear other people talk about it like that,
you think, yeah, I understand, I do understand that feeling.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
We're not going to going to see as he that's
why he writes so much because he's worried that if
he doesn't go down to the river, Bono will steal
a song.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
That's just a really good line. Use that line because
he's got a millionaire.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Speaking of great songs, I believe you've got a chune
for us well.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Speaking of the song, I think we're going to play
that song. I never thought it was any good because
it wow took about as long as it takes to
play it to write it. I just came out, and
I was so it came out so seemingly, so easily,
and I would never put myself anywhere near the league
of the other people you mentioned, but this came out
so easily that I didn't think it was any good,
And I thought, lyrically, I thought it doesn't hang together,
(08:20):
and I thought, I'll fix it up one day. One day,
I'll just go back and I don't know it's there,
I thought, And I'm just my inherent laziness. I never
did and I didn't really play it to anybody for
about a year and then someone some of the band
heard it and said, you know, we should record that.
I really, but it just went that is a classic.
Don't be so less, throw down your don't be so erectly.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Beauty James Raymonds, James, thank you so much for coming in, Mate,
appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Thank you for having us. Good on you, Yes, beautiful.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
And Josh welcome home man.
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