July 16, 2024 • 45 mins
This week on On The Front Foot, Bryan Waddle and Jeremy Coney discussed whether the West Indies improve enough to be competitive with England.
Brian Lara thinks that Jimmy Anderson is the greatest fast bowler to have played the game, what do the boys think?
And, how can the White Ferns improve after the disastrous series in England?
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Hello, We're on the front foot again and this week
the new boys upstay the retiring veterans Jimmy Gibbon an
emotional farewell at the home of cricket.
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Our White Guns remain windless with one to play in England.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
What have they achieved and who wins the title of
the best West Indian Quick over the last fifty years?
You know favorites like you'd have some favorites Jerry of
the West Indian Quick that you have really loving memories
and printed on your brain.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, I've got that black book wards. It's full of
names and most of them's I would have to say.
We Westerns. Yeah, there were a lot of them. They
sort of they lived under the stand. They used to
throw them bits of raw meat during the week and
they'd come out on Saturdays, you know it, and the
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swathes of them. It was the first It was the
first five or six onto the ground that were in
the team.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Yeah, have you got that scene mark still imprinted on
your body when that but one had you in in Jamaica.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I don't, I don't know. It went through the it
went through the armed guard actually, so it might be
on a mark on that, but I mean, I've got
very strong skin words. But but yeah, it was. Yeah,
it was. You got to You've got to really when
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you play for New Zealand. But yeah, that there were
a few of them. Don't worry. I'm sure I'll think
of one by the time we get there on the show.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Well, we're going to get Andrew Mason back. He doesn't
want to talk about the first Test match, but I
asked him about face starling and we'll get him back shortly.
But what he did tell us last week was the
West Indian batting was a little suspect. I think that
was being quite generous, wasn't it that it was a
little suspect they were They were just dreadful. Weren't they
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playing a Test metch against England?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yes, it was. It wasn't good viewing. I've had two
thoughts about that because there, you know, they've also started
to promote the whole thinking about should the West and
He's be playing Test cricket? I mean that's really the
underlying one thought I had. But the first thought is,
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you know, just let's be a bit careful about this.
There have been thrashings in Test cricket before, haven't there.
And you've only got to go back and see probably
the best day's viewing of cricket maybe in the whole year,
was created by the West Indies, wasn't it when they
played against Australia at the absolutely when in Smith was commentating,
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and you know that was a fantastic effort to come
back after a thrashing. They were thrashed in the first
Test at Adelaide and then they came back and won
by what it was single figures, wasn't it in that
second Test at Brisbane? And in twenty seventeen I remember
in England actually when England played the first Test and
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beat them just as comfortably as they did in this matter.
England got about five hundred and plenty and Westernies one
sixty and one thirty and then they went up to
Leeds in two thousand and seventeen to play the second
Test England. I think West Indies battered first, maybe did they?
(04:26):
No West Indies bad at last? Yeah, exactly. Western He's
got about, you know, four to twenty in the first
innings with a lead, needed three hundred and twenty to
win and passed at five down. It was old Brathwaite
who's still there. He got a ninety in the second
innings and one hundred in the first and Hope got
one hundreds of each innings, so they won by five wickets.
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Hell of a good effort. So I know that this
is a different side. I realized that there are so
many of these guys who are really just entering their careers,
so it may be a little bit different. But you know,
let's just wait and see see what happens, because I mean,
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otherwise you start to get some of the you know,
the mood that's been coming out of England. It seems
to me is more we can't rate these players, we
can't even judge them because they're so early in their careers,
and therefore it's Test cricket is suddenly falling apart, and
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I'm not that keen to go down that line, to
be really honest with you. I mean, they didn't prepare
that very well for the tour, did they. It's hard
nowadays with the schedule that there is, but I would
have thought other countries can just help a bit, maybe
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give them a bit longer preparation to go over so
especially a team like that West Indies side. It's very
hard as a batsman to go to England, you know,
for the first time and player moving ball. We could
see over that T twenty. It's hard enough playing at home,
isn't it for them? The way the ball was bouncing,
you know, So you know, and maybe they could play
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instead of they had one game, a three day game.
Maybe they could play a team, yeah exactly. Maybe they
could play a couple of games. Maybe they could maybe
could someone provide some assistance if it was requested, you know,
a couple of coaches could come in and help their coaches,
or coming and help some of their players. I don't know,
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but surely something could be done to try and assist
teams that are struggling at the moment.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Well, they need to get the opportunity to play cricket
and prepare for it.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I mean, it's the.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Same story as far as I'm concerned about our White
Fans team. You know, are they doing the right things
in terms of preparing for playing in England. They're finding
the same issues the inability to deal with playing England
in England. And I think that that's probably what some
of these new young West Indian players because there's a
bit of talent there. We've seen them bad. Athenas is
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not a bad player, and they've got a few of them.
But when you come up against England and England it's
it's very difficult. I mean, is Atkinson and you've seen
these guys Atkinson and Smith who were the stars the
young fellows. Is Atkinson that good or is it just
at the West and he's batting was woeful?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Well, I think mainly the second wards Atkinson doesn't really
tear other you know, first class teams apart. He bowls
you know, sort of high eighties. So there is pace
there and that and Key and McCullum has said, haven't
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they They want to have some pace on the onto
the surface of the pitch and he showed a bit
of that, got a bit of luck early had a
good toss, didn't that was a good toss to win?
Oh yeah, And and the game wasn't competitive. But I
mean we've also got to remember at the same time,
don't forget we've seen one side of games the other
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way around, haven't we. Right through the seventies and the eighties,
the Westerndies cruised around the world cleaning everybody up. You know,
they had top batsmen, They had a battery of clicks
and it didn't matter what sort of pitch she prepared
against them. So did we say then that cricket was over?
You know, that Test cricket was finished, and we're going
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to cut half of them out. Suddenly half the team's out,
you know, take it easy for a moment. I think
what we did. And of course was complained about the
number of bounts as they bowled and how hard it
was to score.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Yes, and their overrates which were about thirteen twelve an hour,
And yeah, you know, they've got to be they've got
to be given a bit of a chance, these players.
The one issue, of course, is that the interest is
not there in test cricket because of.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
The white ball game.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
And that was something that Andrew Mason spoke about last week,
and they've got to be able.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
To play some of these games.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
They don't have the players going playing county cricket like
the sides of the eighties and nineties, Greenwage, Haynes, etc.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Etc.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Richard, you know all those players were playing in the
county game, so they had some experience. Jamie Smith, you
spoke about him, We can see why they chose him.
Not necessarily a better keeper than folks, but with the bat,
he's going to be the kind of man they want,
isn't he.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah? I thought he kept quite well. Lords is quite
a tricky place to keep wicked. Actually, it's one of
those grounds like like christ Church used to be as well.
Wally would tell us about that. He used to just
get him very just to look over at me at
second slip and his eyes would just open up because
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the ball would actually not only just swerve nerves quite
often you see it swinging after it pictures and passing
the stumps, which it does at Lord's, but it also
can go up and down, which is even worse. But
I thought Smith for quite a tall man. He's over
six feet. You know, he moved quite well. He seemed
to take most of it, all right. He took a
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low catch and I thought, you know, he's looking okay
with the gloves for the time that he's had to
do it really and then of course he's a proper
batsman and he batted a bit with the tail and
so yeah, I thought he had a good match. In fact,
(10:48):
as you say, the two guys you've mentioned had good matches,
didn't they for them? The other person I would mention,
just very briefly, is there Stokes playing as an all
round her again makes a hell of a difference. He's
been bowling a lot for Durham long spells. It seems
that his knee opera is okay. He looks quite lean,
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he doesn't look to be over you know, sort of
Muscley and that sort of thing as well. And it's
a very different England side with Stokes as a full
all rounder i think.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
And the ability to bowl just those extra overs. He
looked as he was going to overdo it at one
stage there, but they won the game quite comfortably by
an innings. Anderson, well he's out. It's been replaced by
thirty four year old Mark Wood. He's going to share
the new ball with Atkinson. And thirty five year old Wokes.
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Now they wanted to fifty five thirty five?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Did I say fifty five?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Well that's really pushing it, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I wonder when he's leaving.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Yeah, okay, well I'll put that down as a thirty
five and a fox pass. But they wanted they wanted
a new group of younger players to bring in Wood.
Seems a little bit strange. Will he be in Australia
for the Ashes? Wokes might be there, but Wokes is
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really only an England bowler, isn't he. We talked about
that last week too.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah. I don't think Wokes will be in the Australian
touring party. He is pretty much England centric unless you
go to I mean he could come and play against
New Zealand, couldn't he where you have similar conditions. But
other than that, it doesn't seem to work for Chris
Wokes good back too, lower down. He strengthens that as well.
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So they like him, but I don't think it's a
long term things when you know, we need consider to
go to Australia. I don't know. They played, you know,
just steadily, didn't they. Anderson's been a terrific, terrific bowler
as an exceptional bowler. And England do that pomp and ceremony,
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that cheerio very well. They love doing that all the crowd.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Lord.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
You know his longevity and his fitness levels and skill
sets in you know, whether it's swinging the ball or
seeming the ball or wobbling the ball nowadays, or reversing
the ball because he had to learn to do that
and he only after what one hundred and eighty eights
was going for two point seven runs and over, So
that tells you how accurate he has been right throughout,
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how he's reinvented himself, you know, all that stuff. Consistency
of pace, you know, when everything's put together, he's got
to be up there, doesn't he And you know he'll
settle into his career. Now. Do you like the way
that he's going to be throwing a next Test as
a coach or as a someone to lean on? Yeah?
(14:05):
Mentalor yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Well it was it was an emotional moment. He's been
around the cricket scene for a long time. We didn't
get a chance to see much of Shobashir in the
Test match.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
It was he wasn't born.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
When he wasn't born when Jimmy Anderson made his Test.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Aboot, I didn't know. That's right. You go and field
at fine leg go and field down at fine legs.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Son, Yeah, breakfast, you're throwing.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, well that was It was interesting.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
It's interesting because the the Anderson retirement is great for
the statisticians and I don't mind a few statistics every
now and again. That when you think he bowled forty
thousand balls in Test cricket, forty thousand and yeah, dumbody
did a calculation that it was the equivalent of bowling
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about four hundred and nine three kilometers judging by his
run up. Didn't include any of the times he ran
in and didn't deliver because the batsman wasn't ready there,
and it was it was a basic map of the
England Test match grounds, walking the distance between Lords and
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Durham Wedness. That's yeah, yeah, that's that's how they love
their statistics. In terms of the the fact that he
played with one hundred and nine other players during his
Test career, do you remember some of them?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I don't remember the likes of Simon Kerrigan.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Simon Kerrigan. Was he a spinner? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Ashmah, Chazzad and just Bowler.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, they all played Test matches along with Jimmy Anderson.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
There's one I do know, but I didn't realize he'd
played a match because he played club cricket here in Wellington,
Scott Forthwick who played a one Test match for England.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
They got threshed in Australia.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
It was an Ashes Test match and I cannot, for
the life of me remember him playing it. I actually
had to look it up to see why he played.
So there's one hundred and nine of them played while
Jimmy Anderson was available to play for England from his debut.
Amazing really when you think about it.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, it is. No, he's certainly been an important figure
right throughout well When did he start two thousand and
three or something like that, wasn't it. Yeah, I saw
a little interview was a NASA Hussain who went in
and had a chat with him. In the changing room.
It was almost absolute silence in the changing room. No
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one was showering, no one was throwing things around, no
one was swearing, and it was it was. It was.
It was quite eerie actually, because you don't often you
don't often get a really quiet changing room unless you've
been thrashed.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
That was respect, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It was really yeah? It was so so yeah, so
he's and it was it was interesting how that kind
of and the performance of Atkinson sort of went, you know,
twelve wickets went under the radar really in the out
the back. So but that was that was okay. I
don't mind that at all. He'll he's probably done quite
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a lot to get himself, you know, a few Test
matches now if he can stay fit. But I do think, well,
I do hope that the West Indies, you know, prepare
a wee bit better. You can't test cricket was it's
just not as easy as T twenty. So you've got
to prepare properly. You've got to give it your attention.
(18:04):
You've got to give the test match what it deserves,
you know, and I know schedules tough and naturally, but
if you don't look after those things, you know, you
get those sorts of games where suddenly everyone says, oh, tests,
tests are dying, and those sorts of things. But I
don't think I don't think it is. I hope that
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they can just withhold on all that kind of discussion
that they did have after that we're now going because
they had a didn't They have a big meeting there
for one day prior to the match where they all
discussed and they got all the notables in the discuss
what are we going to do with Test cricket And
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what they came up was in the end was that
they were going to only have sixteens playing Test cricket
in the next three years. And I really hope that
that doesn't happen. The interesting thing, of course, if you
took it now, England would not be in the top six.
If you took them from the West that the Test Championship.
They are bottom of the tape at the moment, so
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it would be very interesting there they are in England
discussing the same we're only going to have six. Well,
I don't think they'd like it if they suddenly had
a look at where they were positioned themselves and in
fact the West Indies would be in the top six.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Yeah. So sadly, that of course is the business of
the money people over the cricket people, isn't it. And
the money people want to make those sorts of decisions.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Cricket people have.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
A vastly different view of the game. And you know
we've seen that there was a survey done that Test
cricket is still the most important part of the player's mind,
but that T twenty is perhaps overcoming one day cricket.
I want to get Andrew Mason back because while Anderson
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was preparing for his final Test match, people in the Caribbean,
the fans there were defending their pace bowlers of the
past fifty years and the content that Anderson was a
better ball on any of those who graced the West
Indian Arena. Somebody gave a point of view with Brian
Lara who called him the best fast bawler whoever played
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the game, the greatest fast baller of the game. I
just wonder whether Brian Larrad had a few too many
bounces bowled at him in the nets and some of
them had perhaps connected with his helmet. I mean, it's
hard to argue with the stats of Anderson's contribution to
the game and stad on the resilience ability he had
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over the last last twenty one years. I've got Andrew
Mason on the phone again. He rejoins us this week.
Where does he stand on the issue of anyone who
can surpass Anderson.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Milchael Marshall, the great Malcolm Marshall. Yeah, it was easy,
but we're not hesitation, you know. I would have seen
Malcolm Marshall play local cricket in Barbados. In fact, he
actually used to. He was a batsman, you know, and
for a local team called Banks were worked and you
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know we're coming ball some medium pace and bat and
he developed into a fantastic bowler for the West City's,
very very heady, good control. In fact, so Clive Lloyd
told me only recently that whenever they had a meeting,
whenever Malcolm Marshall spoke, you can hear a pin drop
because of his vast knowledge of the game. And the
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thing about Malcolm Marshall was that he was able to
bowl on on on on any surface. He was quick
as you know the one on bandick in England when
he came out and and got and bowling the note. Basically,
So when you look at Malcolm Marshall, very sharp, a
good monkser and and you can almost see him thinking
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of batsman. So I would say that Malcolm Marshall would
be the one that I would pick as my favorite.
What I would say as well, is that I remember
in nineteen ninety name but he was obviously on the decline.
I was at Sabina Parker and a gentleman said, Marshall,
the game will leave you. But what he really meant
was that Marshall leave the game. But that's the baby
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speak in the Caribbean. And we then went to Border
now Borders, you know as the batsman's paradise, and in
nineteen ninety one Malcolm Marshall picked up five wickets Australia
were defeated in an excellent spell of fast balling. I
mean Border looked like perf. He boes so quickly because
he was under pressure, and it really really showed me
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then that Malcolm Marshall, the great, great fast baller that
he will always be, you know, really showed his true colors. There.
There's also another guy, Malcolm Marsha number one. He doesn't
get the credit that he deserves. In fact, some people
questioned whether he's great. Courtney Andrew Watch and the reason
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why I say a Watch would have to feature. Watch
started out as a support Border and as his career developed,
ended up being a straight bowler.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Watch was the.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
One that did the donkey work. I mean, on any pitch,
watch will be there for you. I've seen Courtney watch
balling for the best. Cindy's on some dead pitches across
the world, particularly at border, and his energy and his
commitment is really really worthy of commendation. But to answer
your question, Malcolm Denzil Marshall is my pick.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I won't get too much argument from anybody then, because
I totally agree with whatever you say. The interesting thing
about what you mentioned though, in terms of Walsh and Marshall, Walsh, Ambrose,
Holding roberts Ganna all tore men more into the pitch
than perhaps Malcolm Marshall, who you swing and pace. He
didn't have quite the height that those ballers said, did he.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Yeah, it's interesting because he was a relatively small man,
like like Shama Joseph. I mean he generated all the paces. Oh,
it is true that he started. But when you look
at the chants of Westin, Michael Holland was tall and slim,
Sandel Robertson was tall, broad shoulder. Look at Joe Garner,
the big bird, you know he wasn't as quick. He
was Lethal holling Croft, big strong guy. Wayne Daniel who
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only paid a couple of Test matches. I mean, can
you imagine when Daniel know he would perhaps pare one
hundred test matches. So we had some very big, strong
men bailling for the best season. The problem though, that
we have brand is that we do not have fast
ballers in the Caribbean that we had before, and that
is the major worry. In fact, only recently cricket Wessons
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were trying to get some of the former greats to
go wrong the Caribbean to try to find fast ballers
because it is where we were successful. And in my view,
ontil we get fast ballers again ninety miles an hour,
we're going to struggle.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Yes, and I'm sure a lot of people are quite
happy about that, having to avoid the place bollers of
ninety miles.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
An hour plus.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
I know many of the New Zealanders would be happy
to find that there's not quite the pace there that
you know. And we didn't even mention the likes of
Sylvest Clark.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Oh Davis, oh, very very sharp. These gays were extremely sharp,
very very sharp.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Now lovely to hear your viewpoint, I must say we
do agree, and I will be interested to see whether
I can get any challenges for that viewpoint. But Malcolm
Marshall certainly one of the greats in the game and
one of the great West Indian quick well a few
names there, Jerry Malcolm Marshall was his choice. I got
to say that was my choice as well. And we
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mentioned earlier your favorite bowler is there must be a
lot of wester Indians and the group of the ones
you really like the most.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, Well, the first thing I would say for my
memories now is that they were all slightly different ones.
While they were all right right arm bowlers, there was
a lot of difference between holding who took the ball away,
and the pace between them wasn't excessive. I mean they
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were all sort of ninety two and I'm talking about
miles an hour now ninety sort of to ninety three,
ninety four, that kind of range holding with the new
ball took it away. Andy Roberts was there in nineteen
eighty when we played in New Zealand here in that
acrimonious series, but he wasn't in eighty five when we
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played them, so he was coming kind of more to
the end of his career. A very strong heavy ball
bowling faster than you thought it was. The ball was
on you, tended to move it just slightly away off
the scene and then dangerous bouncers Croft of course, member
people remember down at Lancaster Park when he ran into
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Fred Goodall. But the angle that he bowled from was
very wide. It was about mid off, so that you
always were worried about your off stump. Is it going
to come in and hit your off stump. Obviously you
had people like Marshal then and your Garner. Of course,
Garner a very different bowler because of the optics, and
he would bowl he never looked as if he was straining,
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but because of the length of his arms and his body,
he could bowl the ball closer up to you as
a right hander and a left hander, and it was
on you much faster, so it bounced a bit more
as well. So and he had a great yorker. So
and then there was Marshall you have mentioned, who used
to swing it in and he would just run through
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the crease. He would sort of poke his backside out
so that he had his arm there was a place
for his arm to go straight under where he didn't
have to go across his body. He just went straight
underneath his body. In other words, but yeah, I would
have thought Marsia was the most accurate of all those bowlers.
Garner was very good as well, and he swung it
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in slightly and he had a screaming bouncer as well.
So but I mean, I am constantly surprised you sent
me just the figures I think of Hadley. I am
constantly surprised, and I shouldn't be. Just how good Richard was,
you know, he's he's bold. What I think around about
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twenty two thousand balls. I can't remember the figures you said.
You said Anderson was forty thousand. Marshall was a bit less,
wasn't he. He got three hundred and seventy six wickets
I think from my memory, and Paddles was four thirty one,
So seventeen thousand deliveries twenty two thousand kind of getting
close ish, weren't they. So that just shows how devastating
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Marshall was. And that's why you know, his stripe rate
was happening every forty six balls, so he's getting a
wicket every forty six balls, and Hadley paddles as fifty balls,
so it's pretty close. And Anderson is fifty six, so
he's taking another over on top of Richard to get
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a wicket. And where Richard stands out, of course, is
the percentage of team wickets that he took. Now, you
could argue that's because the rest of the bowlers weren't
quite as dangerous as Richard was. But thirty four percent
of the team wickets when Richard played, that's what he took.
Marshall twenty six percent. Now that's a hell of a
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good figure when you think about the other names and
the I've just mentioned to you all bursting to bowl
and he's still able to get twenty six percent.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
The name is mentioned in thereby that I spoke with
Andrew Mason. Did you ever face Sylvester Clark?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yes, he was.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
He was very very nicety, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, and Slingy Bold the day I played against him
at Surrey. It was it was he bowled in his
sandshoes and and he was very lively. Again, I mean,
I think it was kind of talking to some of
the players and honestly he was. You talk to some
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of the players in England who play against Surrey and
they would that would be the first game they would
look at and that was one they were going to
miss when they were a batsman. They were not keen
on facing Sylvester. They've got they've got a new stand
over there at Surrey at the moment, and he is
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regarded so highly, Sylvester Clark. There's a bar right on
top of that new stand and it's the Sylvester Clark Bar,
and it has his own special rum rum. That's a
potent drink that he used to drink, and that's the
special that's always on special there because it's Sylvester's drink.
It's quite a nice little touch actually. But yeah, obviously,
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you know those three bowlers we've mainly been talking about, Hadley,
Anderson and Marshall have have dominated medium fast fast bowling.
I mean Hadley and Anderson more of a similar pace,
aren't they? Marshall much quicker? Of course, Hadley and Marshall
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using a cooker butter ball very different than Anderson using
a duke's ball and where he got a lot more swing.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
So long they did the same, didn't they?
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Anderson and Hadley their main delivery, of course, was the
was the one that went away, the outswinger. Marshall was
able to do that, but he also had a pretty
potent you know, h headball didn't.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
He Oh yeah, he could, but he bowlder a different
lengths and those other two, the other two you were
kind of prepared to go forward to. Hadley didn't use
the bounce of that much sparingly, and the same with
Anderson as he got a little older as well, could
still use it. But Marshall would use it as certainly
as a much more prominent weapon. And he he would
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just run in that you I mean, and just keep
going and keep going. And he was the difference between
New Zealand and West Indies. And that eighty five tour
over in the West Indies, I think he got something
like twenty eight wickets and it was more than anybody
else because he could bowl for such a long time
too well.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Marshall, he was a sort of bowler that you know,
if you asked him to bowl fifteen overs on a spell,
he would do it.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Not the most ideal.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Thing to do, but he seemed to have that stamina
and that desire to go over the top of any
batsman that he came up to. Plaguegainst. I can't remember
whether he played you at hut Wreck when we beat
the West Indies.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Was he playing, Yes, yes he did, and that was
the difference actually between him in nineteen eighty and eighty five.
He was sort of just still developing and couldn't get
into that Test side in that series. But when he
played us at the hut Wreck, I can remember pulling
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and hooking him there, but certainly wouldn't have considered it
in the West Indies in eighty five, even on the
flat tracks, you know, and we had a couple of
the flat tracks there, you know, down in Guyana in
Georgetown there, so at the Border Ground and also the
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first Test match he did play in that match too.
I think that was a krinidad, wasn't it. Yeah, that's right.
But they bowled different lengths and yeah, all but all
three of them very precise bowlers. I think that's what
underlines that all those figures, they knew what they were doing.
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They could have had control of what they did. I mean,
Handley thirty six y five wicket bags. That's more than
the other two have got. That's just fantastic. So, you know,
we were so lucky to have Richard.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Yes, when you look at the figures, it just proves,
as you say, how good a player Richard Hadley was.
But we knew that at the time, and of course
he was a key to the successful years that we
had in Test cricket, and he's up there with Marshall
and of course Jimmy Anderson is there. Everybody has their
own favorite fast bowler, slow bowler, batsman. There's some interesting
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discussion points about those various bowlers.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Finally, this week, Jerry, it's not been another very good
week for our women cricketers. The coaches of the White Ferns,
they're facing a fairly demanding task, aren't they. They've lost
the fourth game and heavy defeats. The third game was
at Canterbury. The fourth game was at the Oval. They
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had a chance in the game at Canterbury, but five
dropped catchers and some sloppy fielding allowed Freer Camp and
Alice CAPSI who have the freedom they wanted to chase
down a title. Reacting to the third game, Sophie divine.
Speaker 7 (35:41):
Underneath it all. I'm really proud of this group. I
just spoke at the aftermatch interview that at the start
of the day we asked the group for a fight,
a bit of ticker, and I thought today we showed
that we were a lot more competitive, and to think
that we didn't do so well with the bat, but
to fight into script to one and then to take
it to the last over, it's been a hell of
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a lot more competitive than the last couple of games.
So as a group, you can't ask for much more
than that. So really proud of that. But we know
that we've got some areas where we need to you know,
tidy up, but again there's plenty of positives to take
out of it and we've still got two opportunities to
go out there and get the victory. Yeah, it's an
interesting point your raise, because we actually think our fielding
has been outstanding this whole trip. I think we've we've
shown great energy throughout the field. We've seen people moving
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off the ball, and today just wasn't our day, and
that happens. I don't think it's a lack of skill
or anything like that. I think today just had a
case of the drop seas a little bit, I think. So, yeah, look,
I don't think it's anything that we need.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
To dwell on.
Speaker 7 (36:38):
We know how hard we've worked on our fielding and
you know, we know what our standards are.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
And then that heavy loss at the Oval. Maddie Green
was the top batter for New Zealand.
Speaker 8 (36:52):
Her views, Yeah, obviously really disappointing today. You know that
we know that England are a world class side and
we've seen that throughout the series and we have to
be playing well to compete with them and to give
them a run for their money. And we went on
today and they punished us. I think from a batting
point of view, obviously it's having your your key players
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and your senior players stand up and put runs on
the board. And I thought Sophie was excellent the way
she pays her earnings and that that last match and
today obviously we weren't able to get someone from our
sort of top six to put a big score together,
and you know, he runs on the board against Paulity
England side is really important. But I thought the way
that sort of as he thought when she came in,
it was a really tricky situation for a very young
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player to be in, and you know, really proud of
the way that she's sort of stood up and tried
to keep fighting throughout their innings. So look, that's a
positive to take away from this. And I thought eating
cars and Bob well against some world class players as well,
So what obviously really disappointing performance, but there are it's
really pleasing to see some of our younger players, you know,
and in front of a big crowd like that, sort
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of stepping up and you know, making their mark a
little bit. Yeah, we thought we were right in that contest,
and obviously the way that Freyer came in and she
really took the game on and that last Lovers and
took the game away from us, and that was tough.
But she, you know, she talked to us pregame around
just trying to really show some great and stand up
and I thought you should really leap from the front
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of that game. And after the game she's sort of
said to us, obviously we're all gutters, but she was
sort of proud of the way that we fought in
that match and competed and you know, real shame we
can't back that up today.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
So it's the same old story. Jerry.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Sadly, this side has a lot of work to do
and I think they're going to have to reflect very
much on the preparation that they've had, the selections that
they have made, and we won't know until I guess
they come to the Women's T twenty World Cup whether
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this has been a successful tour, but on results it hasn't, has.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
It, No, it hasn't. It'll be disappointing for all the
players and the coaching staff and so on. They'll have
set off with some high hopes. I guess I've you know,
so what have they achieved? Well, I guess they've discovered
a bit more about what they're not quite so good
at rather than the other way around. So they'll come
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home feeling a bit uncomfortable. I think that they've been exposed.
But you know the good part is that they should
be very clear about what needs to be done and
whether they're keen to improve and to change. So they're
obviously they need a lot of work about playing spin
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and bowling, don't they. The England bowlers have dominated, so
it's Sophie Ecleston, Charlie Dean and Sarah Glenn and they
have taken you know, eighteen of the twenty five wickets
to fall in the T twenties. We thought that the
T twenties will be easier for New Zealand, didn't we.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Yeah, they seem to have a bit more expertise and
experience in that form of the game. But you know,
they just haven't been able to fit into the conditions
that they've faced in England. And yeah, I mean there
is a lot of work to do. And I'm sure
that you know the fact that Craig McMillan is over there.
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I don't know what impact he's had yet, but if
they've taken him, then I think they've got to keep
him to help those players. It's going to take more
than money. There's got to be a lot of changes,
doesn't there in terms of how we develop young cricketers
in New Zealand, young women cricketers, and what they are
doing to prepare. I don't think the preparation for this
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series has been good enough for those players. They needed
more cricket, that's my view on it.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, well they need that. They can't just carry on
going and doing the same things from you know, various
franchises around the world and then coming back to New
Zealand and hoping everything will be okay. But the bowling
too wads hasn't obviously threatened England, has it. I mean,
even in the fourty twenties they've had that they claimed
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six wickets in the second T twenty, but that was
a nine overslog so we can't count that. And in
the other games they've claimed three wickets, four wickets and
three wickets, so they're not getting through to those you know,
lower order players enough either. That's because they're not scoring
enough runs. So you know, they're just not a very
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strong side at the moment. But I think they're stronger
than they're showing. And I'm sure they're individuals you know,
will be disappointed when they look at their figures. They'll
be extremely disappointed. I mean, if you looked at England,
it wasn't just Eccleston and Thattsiver Brunt and here the
night you've got suddenly because and relying on those very
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experienced players. But you get Bouchet, you get Beaumont, you
get dead Dean and Glenn. I've mentioned Lauren Belle, You've
got a five wickets Amy Jones. You know, suddenly other
people around you start to play as well and play
a large parts and games. And New Zealand haven't quite
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got those either, have they. You know, the Maddie Greens,
the brook Calla Days and the Jess Curves, the leader
who those people who have played a lot of cricket. Really,
if Baits and Divine don't score runs, we've got to
develop some of those other players who can come through,
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and they're not quite doing it. So yes, a lot
of work to be done, a lot of work for
the coaching staff. Good test for them.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Yes, indeed, we're going a chance to discuss the tour
with one more game to play next week, and I've
got a test for you. I want you to do
some thinking during the week too. Have you got time
to do some thinking?
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah? Okay, Weds, I'd always liked a challenge.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Well, you'll have to think, because I don't think you'll
be applying for the job. The Blackheads need a new
bowling coach or do they do they need a new
balling coach? And if they do, who is it? Do
they need someone with the team or should the bowling
coaches the spread around the country try to develop new talent?
(43:29):
Is that a fair question?
Speaker 5 (43:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (43:31):
I think it is. It's certainly a pretty basic question.
But you're right they've advertised, which seems to suggest that
they want one, or at least like they'd like sort
of you know, people who are shown interest. I wonder
where they've gone to WADS. I know that, I know
that Moose. Last week. Peter Holland, who we had on
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a couple of weeks ago, he's he got an email
asking him that he wanted to be the bowling coach
or if he knew someone someone who who might be interested.
I hope they've looked WADS, you know, rather than just
you know, a quick call when we need a coach
that got to know a few people you know, Well.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
Well, we'll give it some thought and come up with
some ideas that next week. Shane Bond of course would
be the best, but he's got other work to do,
and probably more lucrative work. So we'll have a thing
about that and talk about it next week. And of
course if you want to give a view on it,
you can get in touch with us on the front
foot twenty at gmail dot com and we're happy.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
To take your viewpoints.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
Jerry, I don't want to have any anonymous emails from you.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
You can go and do that thinking the thinking that
I've asked.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
I will go into a pencils mood immediately and come
out of the other side, hopefully and with a few
names for you and with some suggestions.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Yes, well, I hope that it's a pretty site, because
normally it doesn't when you come out the other side.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
But no, you're right, quite right, we will say goodbye.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
I'm sorry of.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Course they got off all right once. Look after yourself, boy,
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the new boys upstay the retiring veterans Jimmy Gibbon an
emotional farewell at the home of cricket.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Our White Guns remain windless with one to play in England.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
What have they achieved and who wins the title of
the best West Indian Quick over the last fifty years?
You know favorites like you'd have some favorites Jerry of
the West Indian Quick that you have really loving memories
and printed on your brain.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, I've got that black book wards. It's full of
names and most of them's I would have to say.
We Westerns. Yeah, there were a lot of them. They
sort of they lived under the stand. They used to
throw them bits of raw meat during the week and
they'd come out on Saturdays, you know it, and the
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swathes of them. It was the first It was the
first five or six onto the ground that were in
the team.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Yeah, have you got that scene mark still imprinted on
your body when that but one had you in in Jamaica.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I don't, I don't know. It went through the it
went through the armed guard actually, so it might be
on a mark on that, but I mean, I've got
very strong skin words. But but yeah, it was. Yeah,
it was. You got to You've got to really when
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you play for New Zealand. But yeah, that there were
a few of them. Don't worry. I'm sure I'll think
of one by the time we get there on the show.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Well, we're going to get Andrew Mason back. He doesn't
want to talk about the first Test match, but I
asked him about face starling and we'll get him back shortly.
But what he did tell us last week was the
West Indian batting was a little suspect. I think that
was being quite generous, wasn't it that it was a
little suspect they were They were just dreadful. Weren't they
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playing a Test metch against England?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yes, it was. It wasn't good viewing. I've had two
thoughts about that because there, you know, they've also started
to promote the whole thinking about should the West and
He's be playing Test cricket? I mean that's really the
underlying one thought I had. But the first thought is,
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you know, just let's be a bit careful about this.
There have been thrashings in Test cricket before, haven't there.
And you've only got to go back and see probably
the best day's viewing of cricket maybe in the whole year,
was created by the West Indies, wasn't it when they
played against Australia at the absolutely when in Smith was commentating,
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and you know that was a fantastic effort to come
back after a thrashing. They were thrashed in the first
Test at Adelaide and then they came back and won
by what it was single figures, wasn't it in that
second Test at Brisbane? And in twenty seventeen I remember
in England actually when England played the first Test and
(04:05):
beat them just as comfortably as they did in this matter.
England got about five hundred and plenty and Westernies one
sixty and one thirty and then they went up to
Leeds in two thousand and seventeen to play the second
Test England. I think West Indies battered first, maybe did they?
(04:26):
No West Indies bad at last? Yeah, exactly. Western He's
got about, you know, four to twenty in the first
innings with a lead, needed three hundred and twenty to
win and passed at five down. It was old Brathwaite
who's still there. He got a ninety in the second
innings and one hundred in the first and Hope got
one hundreds of each innings, so they won by five wickets.
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Hell of a good effort. So I know that this
is a different side. I realized that there are so
many of these guys who are really just entering their careers,
so it may be a little bit different. But you know,
let's just wait and see see what happens, because I mean,
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otherwise you start to get some of the you know,
the mood that's been coming out of England. It seems
to me is more we can't rate these players, we
can't even judge them because they're so early in their careers,
and therefore it's Test cricket is suddenly falling apart, and
(05:35):
I'm not that keen to go down that line, to
be really honest with you. I mean, they didn't prepare
that very well for the tour, did they. It's hard
nowadays with the schedule that there is, but I would
have thought other countries can just help a bit, maybe
(05:56):
give them a bit longer preparation to go over so
especially a team like that West Indies side. It's very
hard as a batsman to go to England, you know,
for the first time and player moving ball. We could
see over that T twenty. It's hard enough playing at home,
isn't it for them? The way the ball was bouncing,
you know, So you know, and maybe they could play
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instead of they had one game, a three day game.
Maybe they could play a team, yeah exactly. Maybe they
could play a couple of games. Maybe they could maybe
could someone provide some assistance if it was requested, you know,
a couple of coaches could come in and help their coaches,
or coming and help some of their players. I don't know,
(06:41):
but surely something could be done to try and assist
teams that are struggling at the moment.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Well, they need to get the opportunity to play cricket
and prepare for it.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I mean, it's the.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Same story as far as I'm concerned about our White
Fans team. You know, are they doing the right things
in terms of preparing for playing in England. They're finding
the same issues the inability to deal with playing England
in England. And I think that that's probably what some
of these new young West Indian players because there's a
bit of talent there. We've seen them bad. Athenas is
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not a bad player, and they've got a few of them.
But when you come up against England and England it's
it's very difficult. I mean, is Atkinson and you've seen
these guys Atkinson and Smith who were the stars the
young fellows. Is Atkinson that good or is it just
at the West and he's batting was woeful?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Well, I think mainly the second wards Atkinson doesn't really
tear other you know, first class teams apart. He bowls
you know, sort of high eighties. So there is pace
there and that and Key and McCullum has said, haven't
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they They want to have some pace on the onto
the surface of the pitch and he showed a bit
of that, got a bit of luck early had a
good toss, didn't that was a good toss to win?
Oh yeah, And and the game wasn't competitive. But I
mean we've also got to remember at the same time,
don't forget we've seen one side of games the other
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way around, haven't we. Right through the seventies and the eighties,
the Westerndies cruised around the world cleaning everybody up. You know,
they had top batsmen, They had a battery of clicks
and it didn't matter what sort of pitch she prepared
against them. So did we say then that cricket was over?
You know, that Test cricket was finished, and we're going
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to cut half of them out. Suddenly half the team's out,
you know, take it easy for a moment. I think
what we did. And of course was complained about the
number of bounts as they bowled and how hard it
was to score.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Yes, and their overrates which were about thirteen twelve an hour,
And yeah, you know, they've got to be they've got
to be given a bit of a chance, these players.
The one issue, of course, is that the interest is
not there in test cricket because of.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
The white ball game.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
And that was something that Andrew Mason spoke about last week,
and they've got to be able.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
To play some of these games.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
They don't have the players going playing county cricket like
the sides of the eighties and nineties, Greenwage, Haynes, etc.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Etc.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Richard, you know all those players were playing in the
county game, so they had some experience. Jamie Smith, you
spoke about him, We can see why they chose him.
Not necessarily a better keeper than folks, but with the bat,
he's going to be the kind of man they want,
isn't he.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah? I thought he kept quite well. Lords is quite
a tricky place to keep wicked. Actually, it's one of
those grounds like like christ Church used to be as well.
Wally would tell us about that. He used to just
get him very just to look over at me at
second slip and his eyes would just open up because
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the ball would actually not only just swerve nerves quite
often you see it swinging after it pictures and passing
the stumps, which it does at Lord's, but it also
can go up and down, which is even worse. But
I thought Smith for quite a tall man. He's over
six feet. You know, he moved quite well. He seemed
to take most of it, all right. He took a
(10:28):
low catch and I thought, you know, he's looking okay
with the gloves for the time that he's had to
do it really and then of course he's a proper
batsman and he batted a bit with the tail and
so yeah, I thought he had a good match. In fact,
(10:48):
as you say, the two guys you've mentioned had good matches,
didn't they for them? The other person I would mention,
just very briefly, is there Stokes playing as an all
round her again makes a hell of a difference. He's
been bowling a lot for Durham long spells. It seems
that his knee opera is okay. He looks quite lean,
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he doesn't look to be over you know, sort of
Muscley and that sort of thing as well. And it's
a very different England side with Stokes as a full
all rounder i think.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
And the ability to bowl just those extra overs. He
looked as he was going to overdo it at one
stage there, but they won the game quite comfortably by
an innings. Anderson, well he's out. It's been replaced by
thirty four year old Mark Wood. He's going to share
the new ball with Atkinson. And thirty five year old Wokes.
(11:43):
Now they wanted to fifty five thirty five?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Did I say fifty five?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Well that's really pushing it, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I wonder when he's leaving.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Yeah, okay, well I'll put that down as a thirty
five and a fox pass. But they wanted they wanted
a new group of younger players to bring in Wood.
Seems a little bit strange. Will he be in Australia
for the Ashes? Wokes might be there, but Wokes is
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really only an England bowler, isn't he. We talked about
that last week too.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah. I don't think Wokes will be in the Australian
touring party. He is pretty much England centric unless you
go to I mean he could come and play against
New Zealand, couldn't he where you have similar conditions. But
other than that, it doesn't seem to work for Chris
Wokes good back too, lower down. He strengthens that as well.
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So they like him, but I don't think it's a
long term things when you know, we need consider to
go to Australia. I don't know. They played, you know,
just steadily, didn't they. Anderson's been a terrific, terrific bowler
as an exceptional bowler. And England do that pomp and ceremony,
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that cheerio very well. They love doing that all the crowd.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Lord.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
You know his longevity and his fitness levels and skill
sets in you know, whether it's swinging the ball or
seeming the ball or wobbling the ball nowadays, or reversing
the ball because he had to learn to do that
and he only after what one hundred and eighty eights
was going for two point seven runs and over, So
that tells you how accurate he has been right throughout,
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how he's reinvented himself, you know, all that stuff. Consistency
of pace, you know, when everything's put together, he's got
to be up there, doesn't he And you know he'll
settle into his career. Now. Do you like the way
that he's going to be throwing a next Test as
a coach or as a someone to lean on? Yeah?
(14:05):
Mentalor yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Well it was it was an emotional moment. He's been
around the cricket scene for a long time. We didn't
get a chance to see much of Shobashir in the
Test match.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
It was he wasn't born.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
When he wasn't born when Jimmy Anderson made his Test.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Aboot, I didn't know. That's right. You go and field
at fine leg go and field down at fine legs.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Son, Yeah, breakfast, you're throwing.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, well that was It was interesting.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
It's interesting because the the Anderson retirement is great for
the statisticians and I don't mind a few statistics every
now and again. That when you think he bowled forty
thousand balls in Test cricket, forty thousand and yeah, dumbody
did a calculation that it was the equivalent of bowling
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about four hundred and nine three kilometers judging by his
run up. Didn't include any of the times he ran
in and didn't deliver because the batsman wasn't ready there,
and it was it was a basic map of the
England Test match grounds, walking the distance between Lords and
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Durham Wedness. That's yeah, yeah, that's that's how they love
their statistics. In terms of the the fact that he
played with one hundred and nine other players during his
Test career, do you remember some of them?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I don't remember the likes of Simon Kerrigan.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Simon Kerrigan. Was he a spinner? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Ashmah, Chazzad and just Bowler.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, they all played Test matches along with Jimmy Anderson.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
There's one I do know, but I didn't realize he'd
played a match because he played club cricket here in Wellington,
Scott Forthwick who played a one Test match for England.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
They got threshed in Australia.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
It was an Ashes Test match and I cannot, for
the life of me remember him playing it. I actually
had to look it up to see why he played.
So there's one hundred and nine of them played while
Jimmy Anderson was available to play for England from his debut.
Amazing really when you think about it.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, it is. No, he's certainly been an important figure
right throughout well When did he start two thousand and
three or something like that, wasn't it. Yeah, I saw
a little interview was a NASA Hussain who went in
and had a chat with him. In the changing room.
It was almost absolute silence in the changing room. No
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one was showering, no one was throwing things around, no
one was swearing, and it was it was. It was.
It was quite eerie actually, because you don't often you
don't often get a really quiet changing room unless you've
been thrashed.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
That was respect, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It was really yeah? It was so so yeah, so
he's and it was it was interesting how that kind
of and the performance of Atkinson sort of went, you know,
twelve wickets went under the radar really in the out
the back. So but that was that was okay. I
don't mind that at all. He'll he's probably done quite
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a lot to get himself, you know, a few Test
matches now if he can stay fit. But I do think, well,
I do hope that the West Indies, you know, prepare
a wee bit better. You can't test cricket was it's
just not as easy as T twenty. So you've got
to prepare properly. You've got to give it your attention.
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You've got to give the test match what it deserves,
you know, and I know schedules tough and naturally, but
if you don't look after those things, you know, you
get those sorts of games where suddenly everyone says, oh, tests,
tests are dying, and those sorts of things. But I
don't think I don't think it is. I hope that
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they can just withhold on all that kind of discussion
that they did have after that we're now going because
they had a didn't They have a big meeting there
for one day prior to the match where they all
discussed and they got all the notables in the discuss
what are we going to do with Test cricket And
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what they came up was in the end was that
they were going to only have sixteens playing Test cricket
in the next three years. And I really hope that
that doesn't happen. The interesting thing, of course, if you
took it now, England would not be in the top six.
If you took them from the West that the Test Championship.
They are bottom of the tape at the moment, so
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it would be very interesting there they are in England
discussing the same we're only going to have six. Well,
I don't think they'd like it if they suddenly had
a look at where they were positioned themselves and in
fact the West Indies would be in the top six.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Yeah. So sadly, that of course is the business of
the money people over the cricket people, isn't it. And
the money people want to make those sorts of decisions.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Cricket people have.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
A vastly different view of the game. And you know
we've seen that there was a survey done that Test
cricket is still the most important part of the player's mind,
but that T twenty is perhaps overcoming one day cricket.
I want to get Andrew Mason back because while Anderson
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was preparing for his final Test match, people in the Caribbean,
the fans there were defending their pace bowlers of the
past fifty years and the content that Anderson was a
better ball on any of those who graced the West
Indian Arena. Somebody gave a point of view with Brian
Lara who called him the best fast bawler whoever played
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the game, the greatest fast baller of the game. I
just wonder whether Brian Larrad had a few too many
bounces bowled at him in the nets and some of
them had perhaps connected with his helmet. I mean, it's
hard to argue with the stats of Anderson's contribution to
the game and stad on the resilience ability he had
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over the last last twenty one years. I've got Andrew
Mason on the phone again. He rejoins us this week.
Where does he stand on the issue of anyone who
can surpass Anderson.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Milchael Marshall, the great Malcolm Marshall. Yeah, it was easy,
but we're not hesitation, you know. I would have seen
Malcolm Marshall play local cricket in Barbados. In fact, he
actually used to. He was a batsman, you know, and
for a local team called Banks were worked and you
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know we're coming ball some medium pace and bat and
he developed into a fantastic bowler for the West City's,
very very heady, good control. In fact, so Clive Lloyd
told me only recently that whenever they had a meeting,
whenever Malcolm Marshall spoke, you can hear a pin drop
because of his vast knowledge of the game. And the
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thing about Malcolm Marshall was that he was able to
bowl on on on on any surface. He was quick
as you know the one on bandick in England when
he came out and and got and bowling the note. Basically,
So when you look at Malcolm Marshall, very sharp, a
good monkser and and you can almost see him thinking
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of batsman. So I would say that Malcolm Marshall would
be the one that I would pick as my favorite.
What I would say as well, is that I remember
in nineteen ninety name but he was obviously on the decline.
I was at Sabina Parker and a gentleman said, Marshall,
the game will leave you. But what he really meant
was that Marshall leave the game. But that's the baby
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speak in the Caribbean. And we then went to Border
now Borders, you know as the batsman's paradise, and in
nineteen ninety one Malcolm Marshall picked up five wickets Australia
were defeated in an excellent spell of fast balling. I
mean Border looked like perf. He boes so quickly because
he was under pressure, and it really really showed me
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then that Malcolm Marshall, the great, great fast baller that
he will always be, you know, really showed his true colors. There.
There's also another guy, Malcolm Marsha number one. He doesn't
get the credit that he deserves. In fact, some people
questioned whether he's great. Courtney Andrew Watch and the reason
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why I say a Watch would have to feature. Watch
started out as a support Border and as his career developed,
ended up being a straight bowler.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Watch was the.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
One that did the donkey work. I mean, on any pitch,
watch will be there for you. I've seen Courtney watch
balling for the best. Cindy's on some dead pitches across
the world, particularly at border, and his energy and his
commitment is really really worthy of commendation. But to answer
your question, Malcolm Denzil Marshall is my pick.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I won't get too much argument from anybody then, because
I totally agree with whatever you say. The interesting thing
about what you mentioned though, in terms of Walsh and Marshall, Walsh, Ambrose,
Holding roberts Ganna all tore men more into the pitch
than perhaps Malcolm Marshall, who you swing and pace. He
didn't have quite the height that those ballers said, did he.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Yeah, it's interesting because he was a relatively small man,
like like Shama Joseph. I mean he generated all the paces. Oh,
it is true that he started. But when you look
at the chants of Westin, Michael Holland was tall and slim,
Sandel Robertson was tall, broad shoulder. Look at Joe Garner,
the big bird, you know he wasn't as quick. He
was Lethal holling Croft, big strong guy. Wayne Daniel who
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only paid a couple of Test matches. I mean, can
you imagine when Daniel know he would perhaps pare one
hundred test matches. So we had some very big, strong
men bailling for the best season. The problem though, that
we have brand is that we do not have fast
ballers in the Caribbean that we had before, and that
is the major worry. In fact, only recently cricket Wessons
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were trying to get some of the former greats to
go wrong the Caribbean to try to find fast ballers
because it is where we were successful. And in my view,
ontil we get fast ballers again ninety miles an hour,
we're going to struggle.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Yes, and I'm sure a lot of people are quite
happy about that, having to avoid the place bollers of
ninety miles.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
An hour plus.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
I know many of the New Zealanders would be happy
to find that there's not quite the pace there that
you know. And we didn't even mention the likes of
Sylvest Clark.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Oh Davis, oh, very very sharp. These gays were extremely sharp,
very very sharp.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Now lovely to hear your viewpoint, I must say we
do agree, and I will be interested to see whether
I can get any challenges for that viewpoint. But Malcolm
Marshall certainly one of the greats in the game and
one of the great West Indian quick well a few
names there, Jerry Malcolm Marshall was his choice. I got
to say that was my choice as well. And we
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mentioned earlier your favorite bowler is there must be a
lot of wester Indians and the group of the ones
you really like the most.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, Well, the first thing I would say for my
memories now is that they were all slightly different ones.
While they were all right right arm bowlers, there was
a lot of difference between holding who took the ball away,
and the pace between them wasn't excessive. I mean they
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were all sort of ninety two and I'm talking about
miles an hour now ninety sort of to ninety three,
ninety four, that kind of range holding with the new
ball took it away. Andy Roberts was there in nineteen
eighty when we played in New Zealand here in that
acrimonious series, but he wasn't in eighty five when we
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played them, so he was coming kind of more to
the end of his career. A very strong heavy ball
bowling faster than you thought it was. The ball was
on you, tended to move it just slightly away off
the scene and then dangerous bouncers Croft of course, member
people remember down at Lancaster Park when he ran into
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Fred Goodall. But the angle that he bowled from was
very wide. It was about mid off, so that you
always were worried about your off stump. Is it going
to come in and hit your off stump. Obviously you
had people like Marshal then and your Garner. Of course,
Garner a very different bowler because of the optics, and
he would bowl he never looked as if he was straining,
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but because of the length of his arms and his body,
he could bowl the ball closer up to you as
a right hander and a left hander, and it was
on you much faster, so it bounced a bit more
as well. So and he had a great yorker. So
and then there was Marshall you have mentioned, who used
to swing it in and he would just run through
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the crease. He would sort of poke his backside out
so that he had his arm there was a place
for his arm to go straight under where he didn't
have to go across his body. He just went straight
underneath his body. In other words, but yeah, I would
have thought Marsia was the most accurate of all those bowlers.
Garner was very good as well, and he swung it
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in slightly and he had a screaming bouncer as well.
So but I mean, I am constantly surprised you sent
me just the figures I think of Hadley. I am
constantly surprised, and I shouldn't be. Just how good Richard was,
you know, he's he's bold. What I think around about
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twenty two thousand balls. I can't remember the figures you said.
You said Anderson was forty thousand. Marshall was a bit less,
wasn't he. He got three hundred and seventy six wickets
I think from my memory, and Paddles was four thirty one,
So seventeen thousand deliveries twenty two thousand kind of getting
close ish, weren't they. So that just shows how devastating
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Marshall was. And that's why you know, his stripe rate
was happening every forty six balls, so he's getting a
wicket every forty six balls, and Hadley paddles as fifty balls,
so it's pretty close. And Anderson is fifty six, so
he's taking another over on top of Richard to get
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a wicket. And where Richard stands out, of course, is
the percentage of team wickets that he took. Now, you
could argue that's because the rest of the bowlers weren't
quite as dangerous as Richard was. But thirty four percent
of the team wickets when Richard played, that's what he took.
Marshall twenty six percent. Now that's a hell of a
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good figure when you think about the other names and
the I've just mentioned to you all bursting to bowl
and he's still able to get twenty six percent.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
The name is mentioned in thereby that I spoke with
Andrew Mason. Did you ever face Sylvester Clark?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yes, he was.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
He was very very nicety, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, and Slingy Bold the day I played against him
at Surrey. It was it was he bowled in his
sandshoes and and he was very lively. Again, I mean,
I think it was kind of talking to some of
the players and honestly he was. You talk to some
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of the players in England who play against Surrey and
they would that would be the first game they would
look at and that was one they were going to
miss when they were a batsman. They were not keen
on facing Sylvester. They've got they've got a new stand
over there at Surrey at the moment, and he is
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regarded so highly, Sylvester Clark. There's a bar right on
top of that new stand and it's the Sylvester Clark Bar,
and it has his own special rum rum. That's a
potent drink that he used to drink, and that's the
special that's always on special there because it's Sylvester's drink.
It's quite a nice little touch actually. But yeah, obviously,
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you know those three bowlers we've mainly been talking about, Hadley,
Anderson and Marshall have have dominated medium fast fast bowling.
I mean Hadley and Anderson more of a similar pace,
aren't they? Marshall much quicker? Of course, Hadley and Marshall
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using a cooker butter ball very different than Anderson using
a duke's ball and where he got a lot more swing.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
So long they did the same, didn't they?
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Anderson and Hadley their main delivery, of course, was the
was the one that went away, the outswinger. Marshall was
able to do that, but he also had a pretty
potent you know, h headball didn't.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
He Oh yeah, he could, but he bowlder a different
lengths and those other two, the other two you were
kind of prepared to go forward to. Hadley didn't use
the bounce of that much sparingly, and the same with
Anderson as he got a little older as well, could
still use it. But Marshall would use it as certainly
as a much more prominent weapon. And he he would
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just run in that you I mean, and just keep
going and keep going. And he was the difference between
New Zealand and West Indies. And that eighty five tour
over in the West Indies, I think he got something
like twenty eight wickets and it was more than anybody
else because he could bowl for such a long time
too well.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Marshall, he was a sort of bowler that you know,
if you asked him to bowl fifteen overs on a spell,
he would do it.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Not the most ideal.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Thing to do, but he seemed to have that stamina
and that desire to go over the top of any
batsman that he came up to. Plaguegainst. I can't remember
whether he played you at hut Wreck when we beat
the West Indies.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Was he playing, Yes, yes he did, and that was
the difference actually between him in nineteen eighty and eighty five.
He was sort of just still developing and couldn't get
into that Test side in that series. But when he
played us at the hut Wreck, I can remember pulling
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and hooking him there, but certainly wouldn't have considered it
in the West Indies in eighty five, even on the
flat tracks, you know, and we had a couple of
the flat tracks there, you know, down in Guyana in
Georgetown there, so at the Border Ground and also the
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first Test match he did play in that match too.
I think that was a krinidad, wasn't it. Yeah, that's right.
But they bowled different lengths and yeah, all but all
three of them very precise bowlers. I think that's what
underlines that all those figures, they knew what they were doing.
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They could have had control of what they did. I mean,
Handley thirty six y five wicket bags. That's more than
the other two have got. That's just fantastic. So, you know,
we were so lucky to have Richard.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Yes, when you look at the figures, it just proves,
as you say, how good a player Richard Hadley was.
But we knew that at the time, and of course
he was a key to the successful years that we
had in Test cricket, and he's up there with Marshall
and of course Jimmy Anderson is there. Everybody has their
own favorite fast bowler, slow bowler, batsman. There's some interesting
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discussion points about those various bowlers.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Finally, this week, Jerry, it's not been another very good
week for our women cricketers. The coaches of the White Ferns,
they're facing a fairly demanding task, aren't they. They've lost
the fourth game and heavy defeats. The third game was
at Canterbury. The fourth game was at the Oval. They
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had a chance in the game at Canterbury, but five
dropped catchers and some sloppy fielding allowed Freer Camp and
Alice CAPSI who have the freedom they wanted to chase
down a title. Reacting to the third game, Sophie divine.
Speaker 7 (35:41):
Underneath it all. I'm really proud of this group. I
just spoke at the aftermatch interview that at the start
of the day we asked the group for a fight,
a bit of ticker, and I thought today we showed
that we were a lot more competitive, and to think
that we didn't do so well with the bat, but
to fight into script to one and then to take
it to the last over, it's been a hell of
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a lot more competitive than the last couple of games.
So as a group, you can't ask for much more
than that. So really proud of that. But we know
that we've got some areas where we need to you know,
tidy up, but again there's plenty of positives to take
out of it and we've still got two opportunities to
go out there and get the victory. Yeah, it's an
interesting point your raise, because we actually think our fielding
has been outstanding this whole trip. I think we've we've
shown great energy throughout the field. We've seen people moving
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off the ball, and today just wasn't our day, and
that happens. I don't think it's a lack of skill
or anything like that. I think today just had a
case of the drop seas a little bit, I think. So, yeah, look,
I don't think it's anything that we need.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
To dwell on.
Speaker 7 (36:38):
We know how hard we've worked on our fielding and
you know, we know what our standards are.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
And then that heavy loss at the Oval. Maddie Green
was the top batter for New Zealand.
Speaker 8 (36:52):
Her views, Yeah, obviously really disappointing today. You know that
we know that England are a world class side and
we've seen that throughout the series and we have to
be playing well to compete with them and to give
them a run for their money. And we went on
today and they punished us. I think from a batting
point of view, obviously it's having your your key players
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and your senior players stand up and put runs on
the board. And I thought Sophie was excellent the way
she pays her earnings and that that last match and
today obviously we weren't able to get someone from our
sort of top six to put a big score together,
and you know, he runs on the board against Paulity
England side is really important. But I thought the way
that sort of as he thought when she came in,
it was a really tricky situation for a very young
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player to be in, and you know, really proud of
the way that she's sort of stood up and tried
to keep fighting throughout their innings. So look, that's a
positive to take away from this. And I thought eating
cars and Bob well against some world class players as well,
So what obviously really disappointing performance, but there are it's
really pleasing to see some of our younger players, you know,
and in front of a big crowd like that, sort
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of stepping up and you know, making their mark a
little bit. Yeah, we thought we were right in that contest,
and obviously the way that Freyer came in and she
really took the game on and that last Lovers and
took the game away from us, and that was tough.
But she, you know, she talked to us pregame around
just trying to really show some great and stand up
and I thought you should really leap from the front
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of that game. And after the game she's sort of
said to us, obviously we're all gutters, but she was
sort of proud of the way that we fought in
that match and competed and you know, real shame we
can't back that up today.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
So it's the same old story. Jerry.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Sadly, this side has a lot of work to do
and I think they're going to have to reflect very
much on the preparation that they've had, the selections that
they have made, and we won't know until I guess
they come to the Women's T twenty World Cup whether
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this has been a successful tour, but on results it hasn't, has.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
It, No, it hasn't. It'll be disappointing for all the
players and the coaching staff and so on. They'll have
set off with some high hopes. I guess I've you know,
so what have they achieved? Well, I guess they've discovered
a bit more about what they're not quite so good
at rather than the other way around. So they'll come
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home feeling a bit uncomfortable. I think that they've been exposed.
But you know the good part is that they should
be very clear about what needs to be done and
whether they're keen to improve and to change. So they're
obviously they need a lot of work about playing spin
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and bowling, don't they. The England bowlers have dominated, so
it's Sophie Ecleston, Charlie Dean and Sarah Glenn and they
have taken you know, eighteen of the twenty five wickets
to fall in the T twenties. We thought that the
T twenties will be easier for New Zealand, didn't we.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Yeah, they seem to have a bit more expertise and
experience in that form of the game. But you know,
they just haven't been able to fit into the conditions
that they've faced in England. And yeah, I mean there
is a lot of work to do. And I'm sure
that you know the fact that Craig McMillan is over there.
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I don't know what impact he's had yet, but if
they've taken him, then I think they've got to keep
him to help those players. It's going to take more
than money. There's got to be a lot of changes,
doesn't there in terms of how we develop young cricketers
in New Zealand, young women cricketers, and what they are
doing to prepare. I don't think the preparation for this
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series has been good enough for those players. They needed
more cricket, that's my view on it.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, well they need that. They can't just carry on
going and doing the same things from you know, various
franchises around the world and then coming back to New
Zealand and hoping everything will be okay. But the bowling
too wads hasn't obviously threatened England, has it. I mean,
even in the fourty twenties they've had that they claimed
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six wickets in the second T twenty, but that was
a nine overslog so we can't count that. And in
the other games they've claimed three wickets, four wickets and
three wickets, so they're not getting through to those you know,
lower order players enough either. That's because they're not scoring
enough runs. So you know, they're just not a very
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strong side at the moment. But I think they're stronger
than they're showing. And I'm sure they're individuals you know,
will be disappointed when they look at their figures. They'll
be extremely disappointed. I mean, if you looked at England,
it wasn't just Eccleston and Thattsiver Brunt and here the
night you've got suddenly because and relying on those very
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experienced players. But you get Bouchet, you get Beaumont, you
get dead Dean and Glenn. I've mentioned Lauren Belle, You've
got a five wickets Amy Jones. You know, suddenly other
people around you start to play as well and play
a large parts and games. And New Zealand haven't quite
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got those either, have they. You know, the Maddie Greens,
the brook Calla Days and the Jess Curves, the leader
who those people who have played a lot of cricket. Really,
if Baits and Divine don't score runs, we've got to
develop some of those other players who can come through,
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and they're not quite doing it. So yes, a lot
of work to be done, a lot of work for
the coaching staff. Good test for them.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Yes, indeed, we're going a chance to discuss the tour
with one more game to play next week, and I've
got a test for you. I want you to do
some thinking during the week too. Have you got time
to do some thinking?
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah? Okay, Weds, I'd always liked a challenge.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Well, you'll have to think, because I don't think you'll
be applying for the job. The Blackheads need a new
bowling coach or do they do they need a new
balling coach? And if they do, who is it? Do
they need someone with the team or should the bowling
coaches the spread around the country try to develop new talent?
(43:29):
Is that a fair question?
Speaker 5 (43:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (43:31):
I think it is. It's certainly a pretty basic question.
But you're right they've advertised, which seems to suggest that
they want one, or at least like they'd like sort
of you know, people who are shown interest. I wonder
where they've gone to WADS. I know that, I know
that Moose. Last week. Peter Holland, who we had on
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a couple of weeks ago, he's he got an email
asking him that he wanted to be the bowling coach
or if he knew someone someone who who might be interested.
I hope they've looked WADS, you know, rather than just
you know, a quick call when we need a coach
that got to know a few people you know, Well.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
Well, we'll give it some thought and come up with
some ideas that next week. Shane Bond of course would
be the best, but he's got other work to do,
and probably more lucrative work. So we'll have a thing
about that and talk about it next week. And of
course if you want to give a view on it,
you can get in touch with us on the front
foot twenty at gmail dot com and we're happy.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
To take your viewpoints.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
Jerry, I don't want to have any anonymous emails from you.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
You can go and do that thinking the thinking that
I've asked.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
I will go into a pencils mood immediately and come
out of the other side, hopefully and with a few
names for you and with some suggestions.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Yes, well, I hope that it's a pretty site, because
normally it doesn't when you come out the other side.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
But no, you're right, quite right, we will say goodbye.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
I'm sorry of.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Course they got off all right once. Look after yourself, boy,
wrap up mon all the world.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
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