November 5, 2024 • 39 mins
This week on On The Front Foot, Bryan Waddle and Jeremy Coney celebrate both the men’s and women’s game.
The discuss the Black Caps’ historic test series win over India, and are joined by White Fern Georgia Plimmer from the celebration tour after the Ferns took the WT20 title.
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
Hello, welcome to on the Front Foot once a year.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Oh look, we're just a bunch of Kiwi's taking on
the world and I'm very proud to represent our country.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
And yeah, we know how good India are.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
They got a number of world cast players and for
us it's just hanging in there, keep doing what Kiwi's do.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
And Ye're very proud of the script today.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That was Daryl Mitchell laugh in New Zealand. Surprisingly years.
I say surprisingly because not too many people would have
expected them to win the Third Test and to write
another chapter of New Zealand cricket distory. Nobody to us
in there and beats them freezer well New Zealand does
and in style.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
And also this week Georgia Plummer and.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
The White fans get to celebrate their win in front
of home fans.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
They've done it.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And I don't think that New Zealand would have honestly
believed they would have beaten India freeze it. Yes, they
might have won a game, but we weren't picking it
when the series started. And I guess I'm going to
have to eat a little bit of humble pie because.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I didn't have the belief that they had.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Oh, I don't think anybody did, Brian. Really, there was
nothing there to indicate that New Zealand would whitewash India
at home. New Zealand also, you know, have never won
US three nil anywhere series anywhere, and that's extraordinary, isn't it.
(02:09):
They've always had a loss or a draw somewhere in
the three matches. So yeah, well, roit Chama got it
wrong at Bangaluru and that was their best innings as
they found out, four hundred and sixty and the second
and he's had a six attempts, so you know, they said, then, right,
we'll give them some spinning tracks. And they lost at
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Prune in the black clay, and then they lost in
Mumbai on the red clay one hundred and twenty one
all out in the last innings and really with only
one batsman the rest of the top seven they just
couldn't last more than twenty two balls. Then that was Jadasia.
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If you prepare ragging turners, as I would call the
last pitch, then the weaker side comes right back into
the game and differential quality is evened up, and on
flat tracks, superior sides have time to show the greater skills.
You know. In that last innings, Wads the Buyers was
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second top scorer for India after punch sixty. Extraordinary, isn't it?
All those things?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
It wasn't easy keeping wicket, was it.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
No, it wasn't. It wasn't because the ball was going
up and down and turning from outside off going down legs,
so you didn't really you'd have to get very quickly.
But the feet have to go, don't they. The feet
have to get across there so you get your body
with it. But look, I think the hardest thing in
India is to score enough runs. The Indian pitchers can
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be dusty and dry, as we've seen, and they turn
aggressively with bounce, and over the years their spinners have
just dominated New Zealand and other teams. You know, right
from the start when our friendy in Galloway went in
the fifties fifty five Subash Gupta and Venu Mancad and
some of our listeners will know the word man Cad,
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that Vinu Mancad was a lovely left arm orthodox player
and a great batsman. And then Bapu Nabkhani you might
have heard of it. And then through the seventies that
wonderful quartet of spinners Bady Chundra, Saka vink At, the
Ragavin and Prasanna. Then you come to Habajan Singh and
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Annil Cumblai Hiwani remember him, Hurwani render and then and
Shastri of course, and when we were there, I think
they had a guy called or it was it prag
Jaroga or something like that. And then Ashwan Jadeja and
kill Deep. So there's a very quick list of spinners
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that have really given New Zealand trouble. But why did
decide do you reckon got enough runs? And I think
we won the toss in the first two on those
spinning pictures which helped Test two and three, and that
took Ashwan Jadasia and Washington Sunday. That meant that they
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couldn't bowl last. And secondly, I think New Zealand in
the first and second Test got leads of three hundred
and fifty six and one hundred and three, and so
they got so far ahead in the game. And then
I thought they planned their batting very well New Zealand,
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and they played a bit differently to all those other
sides before. I think we defended too much on those
other tours and tried to use up time in the game.
But this side they used attacking shotsam Latham pulled at
firing shots at India, didn't he They they by doing
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that they manipulated the field with the sweep and the
reverse suitep and they then went down the pitch. And
I'm thinking of Young occasionally. I'm thinking of Revendra more
often and Mitchell to the Indian spinners. They didn't compile
huge individual scores, did they. Revendra got what one hundred
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and the first Test. But together in partnerships they exerted
pressure with lots of combinations. You know, Conway and that
first and second Test emerged from a lean trot. You
had Revender in the first two tests, attacking length. You
had Mitchell and the third Test, you know, fighting that
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heat man. He was dripping from everywhere. The peak of
his cap even seemed you had to be tripping like
a tap, you know, it was extraordinary. And then you
had you had Latham's eighty and the second fourth right
innings in the second innings in Pune and Blundel and
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Phillips even South, you know, unexpectedly. But through it all Young,
tell us what you thought of Young and your observations.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
He was a player who came in and has always
played as a makeshift opener number three, number four for
somebody who might be injured or unwell, and he came
in for Kane Williamson and did the Caine Williamson job
to perfection. You cannot leave him out of the next
Test team that New Zealand selects, as you can't leave
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Kane Williamson out. And that's going to be an issue
that the selectors are going to have to deal with
and it's a question that Gary Stead has probably thought
about and he justifiably reflects on the personal achievements, selection
and planning for this tour and he deserved that moment
to enjoy the result.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Incredible result, really, I think it'd be not many pundits
around the world would say that. Yet we'd got in
there and beat three nil, and probably deep down, I'm
not sure if we even believe that it was possible
ourselves to do this, considering it's never been done in
history before. So it's an incredible achievement by the team. Yeah,
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I'm very, very proud of everyone involved in the way
that they've gone about their business and playing the matches
the way they have. You don't need motivation to play
Test cricket. We're representing our country and every Test is
guests treated equally in that sense. So look, we came
off some disappointing results in Sri Lanka the first Test.
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We could have won it, so I know the guys
were pretty disappointed around that, but yeah, sometimes your stars
a line as well. I think losing the toss in
the first Test match definitely helped us. We got to
jump in the game there and then I think that
grew confidence in the group and we played very, very
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good after that. And turning conditions like this where certainly
favors the spinners, then you're always in the game. It
makes for extremely exciting cricket. Something's always happening, and I
think we won some key moments throughout the three tests. Yeah. Absolutely,
And that's a good place to be in as well.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
So I mean it's.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
Always easier to well, it's harder in a way to
leave people out in this situation if that does happen.
But look, who knows. We haven't had those selection discussions yet.
Where I'm going to enjoy the moment here and then
head to Sri Lanka first before we get home, and
I guess decide on that test the test team for England.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
There must have been a sense of satisfaction in the
Gary Stead. He's taken a bit of a pounding in
the media from various sources. We've been a little bit
critical at times, but the end result is he's organized
a plan which the players have carried out. And you
mentioned that Will Young. You know, Will Young probably would
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have only expected to play one test because Williamson was
going to be there for two and three. Well he
wasn't there for two or three. And will Young showed
the control, the maturity and the kind of innings you
need in a tight situation. He Mitchell to a lesser extent,
and of course the ennings you mentioned previously of Latham
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and Conway and Ravendra. All the players did their bit
and somebody stood up as and when it was needed,
and I think that was important for this side. There
was somebody to take responsibility.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Loads of contributions from different parts of the team, and
I did Young. I agree with you. I think he's
kind of got to be selected and that's going to
provide lots of problems. How do you fit him in
and who who misses out? So that's something maybe we
can talk about. I don't know some possibilities, but I
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just thought so unflappable and so composed and thoroughly planned.
You know, he got a very good balance between his
defense and his attack. And I think he said when
he received the Player of the series, not often you
get a Player of the Series with a top score
of seventy one, but he was and he thoroughly deserved it.
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But he just he kind of said, I got from
my defense, then I got confidence that I could attack.
And I think certainly that's the case. He knew where
he was going to score behind point if they dropped
short a drive either side of the stumps he lofted
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down the ground. Then he had some little sweeps that
he could go into as well. And I just and
then even when he was in the field, was he
took up that bad position, didn't he? And he took
very important catchers there.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
So and that was a hard job too, to be
in that situation when it's hot, when you're sweating, more
pressure is going on. Oh, I know.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
And it's just another good example I mean of sport
doesn't build character, doesn't build it, it reveals it. And
I think that we've found, in fact, you know, a
really important young man there, and he's going to be
very useful for us too. And he's got a full
time contract, so you know. And if you looked at that,
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if you said to yourself in the first innings of
how important the game is in Asia India, if you
totaled up there three first innings efforts, it came to
four hundred and sixty three. You totaled up in New
Zealand's three first innings efforts eight hundred and ninety six,
nearly nine hundred. And that's what built those leads that
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we were taking about, you know. And they kept then
another man, a Jazz Patel, kept that lead in the
third Test to just twenty eight and it was nearly
enough anyway, wasn't it. It was looking a pretty handy
lead at one point. What do you think of the
Indian side? What did you make of them, especially in
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the third Test, because we've spoken about the first two tests.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I don't think that they were mentally in it to
some extent. I mean, would you like to be a
fly on the wall of their selectors and in their
team huddle now as they prepare to go to Australia.
I think they underestimated New Zealand. They took them too lightly.
They believed that they had the spin bowlers that could
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deal with what New Zealand had. Rather well, they didn't,
did they. Washington Sunday may well be the new man.
Ashvind didn't look anywhere near the threat that he has
in the past. Jadasia does what today's allys done. He
just keeps picking off and he will probably play an
all round us role. But they're going to have to
look at some dramatic changes, aren't they, not only in
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the teams that they pick, but how they approach playing
the game, because you know they have got big issues
that you know we would have to face if we
would be beaten three nil at home, wouldn't we? Oh?
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Absolutely absolutely? And I think you know they're batting. I thought,
you know, if you're going they what were they chasing
in the last of these one hundred and fifty something
like that. And if you're going to attack a small
target and go out and be very aggressive, which is
what they tried to do, you better be good at it,
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because whatever you do, you still got to get to
one hundred and forty seven. You know, you still got
to get there. Hunt was the only one who did really,
and no one else, it seemed to me, was capable.
The younger generation, Jase wild Gill and I think sufferers.
He's only come in. They're not defensive players, really, are they.
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They not like Dravard, not like Pajara, not like Rahana,
not like those players of the past. There was really
only two players who could actually save them in that game,
and that was Rowatt, Sharma and Coolie. They were raised
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in the twenty eleven twelve, that kind of era. The era.
Both were in horrid form and both were low on confidence.
You could see that, and it might have been different
if they were perhaps, you know, a little bit better
in form. But the next generation are kind of learning
on the job. It seems to me, it does seem
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that with batsman at the moment. If you get beaten
once or twice like Rowett was in that innings, he
got LBW nearly once or twice, and then he played
that hook shot. You know, and the default is to
go into attack, isn't it? And gone are the days
when you dig in or survive that period of play.
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And if you don't trust your technique to diffuse the pressure,
then you know you hit out. Holy didn't row It did.
Holly made a defensive era, so he he a defensive air.
So he got so low, when he got so far forward,
his hands and his gloves and his shoulder of his
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bat was available to the ball. So you hear a
lot also about when it's tough and the ball's turning,
there's a ball with your name on it. You hear that,
don't you a lot?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
And I tried. I tried both methods to hit out
and to defend. And I actually concluded if you have
a defense, your chances are better and minimalize. You know,
you're not to get out if you've practiced your You
see the line of the ball, you see the Lynx.
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I looked up when Coley last played a first class
match for Ranjie Trophy. Wadds have a guess when it
was two years ago? No? Twenty and twelve? Twelve years ago?
I sure yep, before ten Dulka retired. Extraordinary, isn't it?
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These these players are playing mainly white ball, aren't they?
What is the white Yeah? What does the white bull do?
It doesn't swing much, It doesn't seem for more than
five overs. The pictures don't deteriorate. Yeah, that don't to
tear out, so it doesn't turn much and it's all
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about runs. So what happens? Then you get harder hands,
you get faster batspeed, You try and hit boundaries, don't you.
The red ball is not like that. Swings more, turns more,
keeps the shine on it more, and if you don't
get closer to it, it's risky. And if you push
out at the ball you get too low. You know
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you have trouble if you don't cover your stumps. So
that's what I saw from India time and time again.
They don't play spin well.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
And you made the other points earlier that I think
was also an Indian failing and I'm gonna bowl.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
My bouncer on the front foot and here he goes
the bouncer.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Indian pitchers are an insult to Test cricket, and you
made that point to me. I just say that what
they played on for those Test matches were a disgrace
to the game. You don't expect that tennis players to
play the US Open on substandard surfaces. They would call
it off in a big hurry. You don't have horse races,
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big horse races on substandard fields, ovals or pitches or
whatever they call the race course, because that detracts from
the quality of what you get. And it goes to
rugby and it goes to other sports as well. You've
got to give quality conditions to bring out the best
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in players. And I'm afraid the Indians have paid the
price for their own ineptitude when it comes to preparing pitches.
They think we can play in our conditions where your
conditions are Playing in India, Playing in your own country
doesn't give you the right to manipulate what the pitch
is made of, or how it's prepared, or what's done.
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Even in Pakistan where you play on the same strip.
I think that that is another disgrace, and that's my bouncer.
Let them come and get me.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
I'll duck under it once I'm bouldered.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, we've got a few moments just to reflect on
who we think should be playing. To my mind, the
top six is pretty much straightforward. Latham, Conway, Young, Ravendra,
Williamson and Mitchell. Whatever order you want there, probably you
would have a wiki keeper at seven and then you've
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got troll places to fill.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Who do we feel.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Unless you're going to pick Phillips as a spinner as
the main spinner in New Zealand, have to decide that
our first test is in christ Church, where we generally
omitted spinners. Suntner will then find the surface. I think
down there a little harder to get what he had
at Pune if I was going to play a spinner,
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you know, I think Bracewell is certainly a bigger turner
than the other two, and he offers other things as well.
But it could easily go to a seema Wadds. I
don't know who that seema would be. It might be Duffy,
but O'Rourke and Henry for two, I think they're the
first two. Now they've established there their positions, haven't they,
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And then I suppose Saldy being there. I don't see
anybody else that's able at the moment, do you. I
don't think Nathan Smiths are ready yet to do that
sort of thing, so that those are the names I
would think that they're going to have to consider.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, they need a batting all rounder of some kind,
but they don't really have one that they can choose.
I mean, you talk about Nathan Smith, well, he's just
getting into the international red he's off playing in the
short form cricket in Sri Lanka and he might be
the man in time, but really it gets back to Bracewell,
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Phillips or Center and you've only got room for one
of them, haven't you.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
That's right, That's right. So that'll be the choices they
have to make. If they want a spinner, and if
they want four seemers and they want to you know,
they do the usual thing that they do in christ Church,
then I guess you'd have Soudy and Duffy with Henry
and O'Rourke.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
One of the interesting things we don't have time to
go through the statistics of at the moment, but the
likelihood that India could miss out on the World Test
Championship Final. We'll have a look at the stats and
perhaps talk about them on a future occasion, because you know,
they've got Test matches in Australia and one article I
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read said they've got to beat Australia for nil to
ensure their place in the World Test Championship Final. Hard
to see that against this Australian side, doesn't it.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Because I think that's right to odds. They did have
a few extra points before they started playing against New Zealand,
and so they could absorb perhaps a Test loss, but
they could certainly not if they lost all three, and
so that has put a tremendous amount of pressure onto
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that Indian side going over to Australia. And it's just
as difficult to see them winning four nil over in
Australians to see New Zealan, you know, winning three nil
over in India.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Well we're going to be watching those with close attention
on what India and Australia doing. Of course, South Africa
have an opportunity to push their way through as well,
and New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Has freed England.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
And I'm not going to pick a winner of that
series just yet, I'm going to show that I've got
a touch of cowardice when it comes to backing New
Zealand at the moment. I'll sharpen up as things move
on in that series, winning.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Arrive Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I had the chance to sit under the scoreboard at
the south end of the Basin Reserve today as the
White Fans took the World T twenty trophy on a
tour of the country. They went through Wellington celebrating their
success and one of the five Tawer College former pupils,
Georgia Plimmer, was there enjoying the moment. Remarkable that five
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of the one team of the past all went to
one school, and Plimmer, as one of them, was proud
of what her old school had achieved.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
I think we've always talked about how many Tawer College
girls is, but I think it's now even more been
emphasized about how many are in the White Fans and
obviously a lot of them made a big contribution to
this World Cup, so yeah, it's pretty crazy to be.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Fair, but just reflecting them that why was cricket so strong?
You had plenty of support to do at Tower College
when you were playing.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Yeah, I definitely think it's been able to see for
me personally, be able to see the likes of Sophie
Million Jis already do it before me and come from
the same sort of area. And obviously Gisimeli's dad, Robbie Kerr,
is such a big cricketer and the cricket and Wellington
cricket especially, and I think he was my first coach
and he sort of got me into the Tile College
first eleven and sort of saw there was something and
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was able to push me on into the blaze. So yeah,
I definitely think having that small town connection sort of
helped us all kind of get into our careers.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Celebration at the railway station in Wellington this morning you
met all around jan there the cup, the trophies here.
Is it sinking in now for him?
Speaker 7 (25:36):
Yes, slowly is.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
I think having that series against India sort of stopped
the celebrations a little bit, but we knew how important
that was. And now to come home and see the
support and obviously talk to some of the fans and
how much it means to them and their kids. I
think that's been amazing and watching some of the videos
back from like ICC posting about Susie and Sophie still
gives me goosebump.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
So I think it's sort of setting in now, which
is pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
It was a long tough road to get there, though,
wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I mean, it wasn't always plain sailing and easy going
for you as a team or individual in the team.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
No, yeah, definitely, I think sort of.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
I feel like most people think that you need to
be on a winning role to be able to do
well at these tournaments, but I think we sort of
did the opposite of that, and obviously had ten losses
on the trot against two of the top sides in
the world. But I think a lot of people have
talked about how against the Aussie series we were starting
to see some good performances from different people and knowing
that it can't just be Susie, Sophie and merely and
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other people have to contribute. So it was just amazing
that that tournament everyone stood up at different times and
where a lot of the younger ones were able to
contribute as well, like the likes of Eden and as
he Goes, I think they were amazing and so to
be on the top of the world stage and all
kind of come together and especially that final have such
a great game altogether.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
I think it was just amazing.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
It says a lot about consistency of performance that might
not have been there in the lead up, but when
you get to the tournaments it consistency is important.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I think obviously starting that first game against India and
really being able to play such a great sort of
brand that we've been wanting to play for such a
long time and be able to execute that on the
first game, I think obviously that just gives a lot
of confidence throughout the tournament that we're in the right
spots and we're doing the right thing, and when we
all come together on the right day, it's all going
to work and we can beat.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
The best in the world. Was it fun one hundred percent?
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
I think obviously winning helps it be a little bit
more fun. It's been quite a sad sort of last
couple of months with some of the losses we've been through,
but I think that's sort of made it these wins
even more better. I think you have to go through
those losses to be able to experience all.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
Of that to make the wins feel even better.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
And yeah, I think for a small country like us
to be able to do that on the world stage
and perform at such a big event, I think it
was just amazing for you individually.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
You went through some tough times as well, didn't you,
But your game progress quite dramatically through to the fact
that you were in New Zealand's leading run score along
with the Susi bats during the tournament, that you were
starting to get runs and starting to contribute at the
top of the order.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Yeah, I think obviously being at the top of the
order has been a little bit different for me in
the last couple of months, but I think it's just
the major backing that we've had from the support stuff
and the players as well.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
Obviously in England, I didn't perform.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Like I wanted to, and I really wanted to contribute
to the team as much as I can. But I
think the conversations that I've had with lots of the
coaches and Sophie and Susie, and obviously having Susie up
the top to be able to bat with she's been
in the game for so long and she's experienced so
much that'll be able to talk to her through what
I'm feeling and sort of use that confidence from her.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
I think has been amazing.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
And I guess that score and Australia sort of helped
me sort of get that confidence that I can score
runs in the international game, and it just sort of
followed on. And Yeah, I guess the style of Plan
T twenty that I'm playing at the moment, sometimes it
might not show up show up, but if I'm still
aggressive and I'm trying to take the game on, if
it does come off, then hopefully that puts the team
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in a bit of stead for the rest of the game.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
What did you change?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Did you change your mental approach or did you change
your technique and application of your skills on the part.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Yeah, I've been doing a lot of technique work over
the last two years. I think when I first came
into the White Fans, the technique just wasn't good enough
for international cricket at that point, and so to be
working on it with the batting coach Dean Brownley for
quite a while, and then over the last couple of
months have been really working on my mental game and
talking to our sports psychologists about how to get confidence
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and how to sort of go out in those pressure
situations and be able to perform. But yeah, I think
it's a big boast of everything that's kind of gone
on in the last two months that has kind of
put me where I am right now.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
One of the things that I noticed from watching you
during that tournament was that you change more from hitting
through the wider mid on midwicket region and you were
playing down the ground. Was that an intentional move for
playing straight?
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Differently, I think a lot of the wagon wheels and
that tournament kind of showed me just literally scoring in
the v which in time I really want to work
on being out of school around the ground. But I
think the pictures over and Dubai sort of helped my
game and that I just want to keep playing heading
hard and straight, and I think the low slow pitches
and Dubai, I think that's what we found was obviously
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the most the thing that worked the most, and so
for it to be able to be my sort of
game plan and work in those conditions.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
I think it's sort of helped me a bit to
be able to take down teams.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
If I just commit to being strong down the ground,
it doesn't matter if they've got fields set there.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
I still back myself to be able to hit it
through them.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
You've seem bubbly and if a Vessons, is that what
you want to bring in in your game of cricket
as well?
Speaker 7 (30:35):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
I think still being quite young and new to the
international scene, I think we have the likes of Susians
Sophie and and Lea who have been in it for
a while, and I think, yeah, obviously we had a
hard coming up to the World Cup, and I think
the way that the whole team sort of connects together
and can get the best out of people. I think
that's when you play your best cricket, is when you
feel comfortable on a team and be able to be yourself.
(30:58):
And I think that's what we kind of showed in
that last T twenty World Cup. Is that how we
work as a team sort of helped the gel.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
Out on the field.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, you've made a public statement, haven't you, team by
winning this tournament.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
You've now got to try and do it again and
beat Australia and beat England and.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Of course you now move into that category of becoming
a senior player and perhaps as a role model for
younger players. You were saying that, you know, people were
talking to you down at the Wellington railway station this
morning about, you know, wanting to get in and play cricket.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
I guess that's the when you come home and you
just go back to your home, you kind of just
feel like you're just yourself. But then being able to
come and talk to some of the fans at the
railway station and hearing some of them, some of the
moms talk about how their little girls and sons have
been watching it and really loving us playing cricket and
they might not be the sportiest people, but now they
want to take up playing cricket. I think that's really
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what the whole thing's about, and how we are as
white fans, we really want to inspire lots of New
Zealanders to pick up sport and cricket and also leave
the Jersey in a better place, which obviously the likes
of Susie and so you have done it for such
a long time and there've been such still warts of
the games that to be able to try and sort
of do the same thing that they are and inspire
many people.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
In this country I think is really the goal.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, tea tweety fifty over cricket. What about Test match
or first class cricket? Where does that sit with you?
Is he to smile on your face?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Yeah, I guess obviously Test match cricket is the pinnacle
of cricket, and to be able to see the success
that the black set black Caps have recently had as well,
I think that's really entertaining to see and to see
how entertaining Test cricket still can be. And yeah, I
think it's pretty cool the opportunities that a lot of
the other women teams have been having at the moment
to be able.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
To play it.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
But yeah, I think it would be a great thing
to play, and I think a lot of the girls
have been wanting to play it.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
But yeah, I guess a lot.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Goes into it and sort of being able to prep
yourself to be able to play longer formats of cricket.
Speaker 7 (32:48):
But yeah, I think it's it's exciting.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Well, I mean, there's that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I suppose in the future you've laid down the marker
in terms of what you can do at the short
form game.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
The red Bull would be really encouraging.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Yeah, we've definitely had a big focus on the white
ball cricket at the moment, but yeah, if there's a possibility,
I think a lot of the girls would be pretty
pretty happy to do it.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Georgia Plummer, Jerry, it's nice to hear a young lady
and talk so enthusiastically about the game that she's now
put her in mind to. She's got a good bank
balance out of winning that World ten twenty. She acknowledges
their weaknesses that she's working on, and that's what we've
talked about. Isn't it that they have to work on
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those weaknesses?
Speaker 5 (33:33):
I mean that and in a way is certainly as
good as the New Zealand winning three nil I think,
I mean, that's an extraordinary victory over there. Isn't it
to come from where they came from to where they
went to as extraordinary? And I was interested in what
she said about that, some of the changes she made
(33:54):
when she got into the side, and she's been working
on clearly straightening her game up from you know, to
so that she hits and defends down the pitch a
bit more, stays in a bit long. She's spoken obviously
to various people about getting some building some confidence, and
(34:17):
I could understand that with the way that she was
going prior to this this World Cup, she's obviously got
confidence now you can hear that in her voice, and
that's a great thing to have. But certainly you and
I both noticed she was scoring in different parts of
(34:37):
the ground. Wasn't she over that over that sort of
week and a half and what a result got for her.
I suppose you could argue it was easier for her
being an opener because in Dubai and Shahja, where the
pictures are slow and low, the ball at least comes
(34:58):
on to you because it's new, and you can hit
through the line of the ball a little bit more
as she does. You'd be in trouble if you wanted
to go legs, you'd get bold and LBW I think.
And so just her totals, you know, and her work
was Susie Bates, and she talked about her how important
(35:21):
it was to be batting with Susie Baits. In that
power play, they really got New Zealand away to some
good starts, you know. And she got thirty four off
twenty three, she got fifty three off forty eight, She
got fifty three off forty four. I mean these are
quite good totals, aren't they, And she's making a significant contribution,
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so I mean, she did very well and so I'm
thrilled for her, as for the rest of the girls,
and so well done to them. I'm glad they're also
able to take the trophy around. They deserve that and
I'm sure it will help that process of attracting other
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youngsters and other young women to come and play, you know,
so that's a very important thing.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
That was one of the things she said that when
they were standing at Wellington railway station where they were
greeted by many of the commuters and got good round
of applause at various times from the people down there,
that there were people who also came up and said,
you know, it makes me want to go and play cricket.
And I think that is what New Zealand cricket has
to look forward to these young players. And I think
(36:36):
the last part of that interview was how about thinking
about a first class competition, give them more time out
in the middle to develop them games, not to develop
it at T twenty perhaps a bit more ODI cricket.
And that's what they're going to have because it's a
World Cup coming up, but they need to be playing
(36:57):
more quality cricket rather than just the lottery that is
white ball cricket.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
Yeah, that's true. I think we've touched on this a
little bit before. If New Zealand hasn't got the money
to try and bring these players together, they'll think through
it if they're smart, and maybe two day games wads
will certainly be a very good start, and two day
red ball games and that will help their ODI cricket
(37:26):
a great deal. They'll have to be more aware of,
you know, playing a bit more straight. It's staying in
a little bit longer, finding singles and judging the you
know what is a run that's very important for ODIs
and for twenty twenties. So that will help those white
ball games a great deal as well, and it'll push
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on them from there to make them better all round players.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
And they're home now to place some HBDA Halliburton Johnson matches,
So that's the over cricket rather than T twenty and
we look forward to seeing them perform. You can put
your feed up for a couple of weeks during no
Test cricket. You've done the hard yards. Very proud of
your achievements. Happy to celebrate them with you, and you
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can send me a bottle of read.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
Thanks. Wadds. Yeah, that was It was great fun watching it,
wasn't it. I mean so just it was was it
made you, It made me think back to some of
the difficult times and to see them working so hard
together and they were thrilled as a team, weren't they
when they when they had those little moments at the
(38:37):
end of games that they couldn't quite believe what they
had achieved. And we should be very proud of proud
of them and what they've done.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Indeed, right over, let's bring on the palms and be
ready for that very week.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
Absolutely, we'll be in there summer for more from News
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
Hello, welcome to on the Front Foot once a year.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Oh look, we're just a bunch of Kiwi's taking on
the world and I'm very proud to represent our country.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
And yeah, we know how good India are.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
They got a number of world cast players and for
us it's just hanging in there, keep doing what Kiwi's do.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
And Ye're very proud of the script today.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That was Daryl Mitchell laugh in New Zealand. Surprisingly years.
I say surprisingly because not too many people would have
expected them to win the Third Test and to write
another chapter of New Zealand cricket distory. Nobody to us
in there and beats them freezer well New Zealand does
and in style.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
And also this week Georgia Plummer and.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
The White fans get to celebrate their win in front
of home fans.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
They've done it.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And I don't think that New Zealand would have honestly
believed they would have beaten India freeze it. Yes, they
might have won a game, but we weren't picking it
when the series started. And I guess I'm going to
have to eat a little bit of humble pie because.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I didn't have the belief that they had.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Oh, I don't think anybody did, Brian. Really, there was
nothing there to indicate that New Zealand would whitewash India
at home. New Zealand also, you know, have never won
US three nil anywhere series anywhere, and that's extraordinary, isn't it.
(02:09):
They've always had a loss or a draw somewhere in
the three matches. So yeah, well, roit Chama got it
wrong at Bangaluru and that was their best innings as
they found out, four hundred and sixty and the second
and he's had a six attempts, so you know, they said, then, right,
we'll give them some spinning tracks. And they lost at
(02:34):
Prune in the black clay, and then they lost in
Mumbai on the red clay one hundred and twenty one
all out in the last innings and really with only
one batsman the rest of the top seven they just
couldn't last more than twenty two balls. Then that was Jadasia.
(02:55):
If you prepare ragging turners, as I would call the
last pitch, then the weaker side comes right back into
the game and differential quality is evened up, and on
flat tracks, superior sides have time to show the greater skills.
You know. In that last innings, Wads the Buyers was
(03:17):
second top scorer for India after punch sixty. Extraordinary, isn't it?
All those things?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
It wasn't easy keeping wicket, was it.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
No, it wasn't. It wasn't because the ball was going
up and down and turning from outside off going down legs,
so you didn't really you'd have to get very quickly.
But the feet have to go, don't they. The feet
have to get across there so you get your body
with it. But look, I think the hardest thing in
India is to score enough runs. The Indian pitchers can
(03:48):
be dusty and dry, as we've seen, and they turn
aggressively with bounce, and over the years their spinners have
just dominated New Zealand and other teams. You know, right
from the start when our friendy in Galloway went in
the fifties fifty five Subash Gupta and Venu Mancad and
some of our listeners will know the word man Cad,
(04:09):
that Vinu Mancad was a lovely left arm orthodox player
and a great batsman. And then Bapu Nabkhani you might
have heard of it. And then through the seventies that
wonderful quartet of spinners Bady Chundra, Saka vink At, the
Ragavin and Prasanna. Then you come to Habajan Singh and
(04:30):
Annil Cumblai Hiwani remember him, Hurwani render and then and
Shastri of course, and when we were there, I think
they had a guy called or it was it prag
Jaroga or something like that. And then Ashwan Jadeja and
kill Deep. So there's a very quick list of spinners
(04:52):
that have really given New Zealand trouble. But why did
decide do you reckon got enough runs? And I think
we won the toss in the first two on those
spinning pictures which helped Test two and three, and that
took Ashwan Jadasia and Washington Sunday. That meant that they
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couldn't bowl last. And secondly, I think New Zealand in
the first and second Test got leads of three hundred
and fifty six and one hundred and three, and so
they got so far ahead in the game. And then
I thought they planned their batting very well New Zealand,
(05:36):
and they played a bit differently to all those other
sides before. I think we defended too much on those
other tours and tried to use up time in the game.
But this side they used attacking shotsam Latham pulled at
firing shots at India, didn't he They they by doing
(06:03):
that they manipulated the field with the sweep and the
reverse suitep and they then went down the pitch. And
I'm thinking of Young occasionally. I'm thinking of Revendra more
often and Mitchell to the Indian spinners. They didn't compile
huge individual scores, did they. Revendra got what one hundred
(06:23):
and the first Test. But together in partnerships they exerted
pressure with lots of combinations. You know, Conway and that
first and second Test emerged from a lean trot. You
had Revender in the first two tests, attacking length. You
had Mitchell and the third Test, you know, fighting that
(06:45):
heat man. He was dripping from everywhere. The peak of
his cap even seemed you had to be tripping like
a tap, you know, it was extraordinary. And then you
had you had Latham's eighty and the second fourth right
innings in the second innings in Pune and Blundel and
(07:06):
Phillips even South, you know, unexpectedly. But through it all Young,
tell us what you thought of Young and your observations.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
He was a player who came in and has always
played as a makeshift opener number three, number four for
somebody who might be injured or unwell, and he came
in for Kane Williamson and did the Caine Williamson job
to perfection. You cannot leave him out of the next
Test team that New Zealand selects, as you can't leave
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Kane Williamson out. And that's going to be an issue
that the selectors are going to have to deal with
and it's a question that Gary Stead has probably thought
about and he justifiably reflects on the personal achievements, selection
and planning for this tour and he deserved that moment
to enjoy the result.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Incredible result, really, I think it'd be not many pundits
around the world would say that. Yet we'd got in
there and beat three nil, and probably deep down, I'm
not sure if we even believe that it was possible
ourselves to do this, considering it's never been done in
history before. So it's an incredible achievement by the team. Yeah,
(08:22):
I'm very, very proud of everyone involved in the way
that they've gone about their business and playing the matches
the way they have. You don't need motivation to play
Test cricket. We're representing our country and every Test is
guests treated equally in that sense. So look, we came
off some disappointing results in Sri Lanka the first Test.
(08:47):
We could have won it, so I know the guys
were pretty disappointed around that, but yeah, sometimes your stars
a line as well. I think losing the toss in
the first Test match definitely helped us. We got to
jump in the game there and then I think that
grew confidence in the group and we played very, very
(09:07):
good after that. And turning conditions like this where certainly
favors the spinners, then you're always in the game. It
makes for extremely exciting cricket. Something's always happening, and I
think we won some key moments throughout the three tests. Yeah. Absolutely,
And that's a good place to be in as well.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
So I mean it's.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
Always easier to well, it's harder in a way to
leave people out in this situation if that does happen.
But look, who knows. We haven't had those selection discussions yet.
Where I'm going to enjoy the moment here and then
head to Sri Lanka first before we get home, and
I guess decide on that test the test team for England.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
There must have been a sense of satisfaction in the
Gary Stead. He's taken a bit of a pounding in
the media from various sources. We've been a little bit
critical at times, but the end result is he's organized
a plan which the players have carried out. And you
mentioned that Will Young. You know, Will Young probably would
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have only expected to play one test because Williamson was
going to be there for two and three. Well he
wasn't there for two or three. And will Young showed
the control, the maturity and the kind of innings you
need in a tight situation. He Mitchell to a lesser extent,
and of course the ennings you mentioned previously of Latham
(10:34):
and Conway and Ravendra. All the players did their bit
and somebody stood up as and when it was needed,
and I think that was important for this side. There
was somebody to take responsibility.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Loads of contributions from different parts of the team, and
I did Young. I agree with you. I think he's
kind of got to be selected and that's going to
provide lots of problems. How do you fit him in
and who who misses out? So that's something maybe we
can talk about. I don't know some possibilities, but I
(11:10):
just thought so unflappable and so composed and thoroughly planned.
You know, he got a very good balance between his
defense and his attack. And I think he said when
he received the Player of the series, not often you
get a Player of the Series with a top score
of seventy one, but he was and he thoroughly deserved it.
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But he just he kind of said, I got from
my defense, then I got confidence that I could attack.
And I think certainly that's the case. He knew where
he was going to score behind point if they dropped
short a drive either side of the stumps he lofted
(11:58):
down the ground. Then he had some little sweeps that
he could go into as well. And I just and
then even when he was in the field, was he
took up that bad position, didn't he? And he took
very important catchers there.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
So and that was a hard job too, to be
in that situation when it's hot, when you're sweating, more
pressure is going on. Oh, I know.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
And it's just another good example I mean of sport
doesn't build character, doesn't build it, it reveals it. And
I think that we've found, in fact, you know, a
really important young man there, and he's going to be
very useful for us too. And he's got a full
time contract, so you know. And if you looked at that,
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if you said to yourself in the first innings of
how important the game is in Asia India, if you
totaled up there three first innings efforts, it came to
four hundred and sixty three. You totaled up in New
Zealand's three first innings efforts eight hundred and ninety six,
nearly nine hundred. And that's what built those leads that
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we were taking about, you know. And they kept then
another man, a Jazz Patel, kept that lead in the
third Test to just twenty eight and it was nearly
enough anyway, wasn't it. It was looking a pretty handy
lead at one point. What do you think of the
Indian side? What did you make of them, especially in
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the third Test, because we've spoken about the first two tests.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I don't think that they were mentally in it to
some extent. I mean, would you like to be a
fly on the wall of their selectors and in their
team huddle now as they prepare to go to Australia.
I think they underestimated New Zealand. They took them too lightly.
They believed that they had the spin bowlers that could
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deal with what New Zealand had. Rather well, they didn't,
did they. Washington Sunday may well be the new man.
Ashvind didn't look anywhere near the threat that he has
in the past. Jadasia does what today's allys done. He
just keeps picking off and he will probably play an
all round us role. But they're going to have to
look at some dramatic changes, aren't they, not only in
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the teams that they pick, but how they approach playing
the game, because you know they have got big issues
that you know we would have to face if we
would be beaten three nil at home, wouldn't we? Oh?
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Absolutely absolutely? And I think you know they're batting. I thought,
you know, if you're going they what were they chasing
in the last of these one hundred and fifty something
like that. And if you're going to attack a small
target and go out and be very aggressive, which is
what they tried to do, you better be good at it,
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because whatever you do, you still got to get to
one hundred and forty seven. You know, you still got
to get there. Hunt was the only one who did really,
and no one else, it seemed to me, was capable.
The younger generation, Jase wild Gill and I think sufferers.
He's only come in. They're not defensive players, really, are they.
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They not like Dravard, not like Pajara, not like Rahana,
not like those players of the past. There was really
only two players who could actually save them in that game,
and that was Rowatt, Sharma and Coolie. They were raised
(15:31):
in the twenty eleven twelve, that kind of era. The era.
Both were in horrid form and both were low on confidence.
You could see that, and it might have been different
if they were perhaps, you know, a little bit better
in form. But the next generation are kind of learning
on the job. It seems to me, it does seem
(15:53):
that with batsman at the moment. If you get beaten
once or twice like Rowett was in that innings, he
got LBW nearly once or twice, and then he played
that hook shot. You know, and the default is to
go into attack, isn't it? And gone are the days
when you dig in or survive that period of play.
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And if you don't trust your technique to diffuse the pressure,
then you know you hit out. Holy didn't row It did.
Holly made a defensive era, so he he a defensive air.
So he got so low, when he got so far forward,
his hands and his gloves and his shoulder of his
(16:38):
bat was available to the ball. So you hear a
lot also about when it's tough and the ball's turning,
there's a ball with your name on it. You hear that,
don't you a lot?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
And I tried. I tried both methods to hit out
and to defend. And I actually concluded if you have
a defense, your chances are better and minimalize. You know,
you're not to get out if you've practiced your You
see the line of the ball, you see the Lynx.
(17:15):
I looked up when Coley last played a first class
match for Ranjie Trophy. Wadds have a guess when it
was two years ago? No? Twenty and twelve? Twelve years ago?
I sure yep, before ten Dulka retired. Extraordinary, isn't it?
(17:38):
These these players are playing mainly white ball, aren't they?
What is the white Yeah? What does the white bull do?
It doesn't swing much, It doesn't seem for more than
five overs. The pictures don't deteriorate. Yeah, that don't to
tear out, so it doesn't turn much and it's all
(18:00):
about runs. So what happens? Then you get harder hands,
you get faster batspeed, You try and hit boundaries, don't you.
The red ball is not like that. Swings more, turns more,
keeps the shine on it more, and if you don't
get closer to it, it's risky. And if you push
out at the ball you get too low. You know
(18:22):
you have trouble if you don't cover your stumps. So
that's what I saw from India time and time again.
They don't play spin well.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
And you made the other points earlier that I think
was also an Indian failing and I'm gonna bowl.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
My bouncer on the front foot and here he goes
the bouncer.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Indian pitchers are an insult to Test cricket, and you
made that point to me. I just say that what
they played on for those Test matches were a disgrace
to the game. You don't expect that tennis players to
play the US Open on substandard surfaces. They would call
it off in a big hurry. You don't have horse races,
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big horse races on substandard fields, ovals or pitches or
whatever they call the race course, because that detracts from
the quality of what you get. And it goes to
rugby and it goes to other sports as well. You've
got to give quality conditions to bring out the best
(19:29):
in players. And I'm afraid the Indians have paid the
price for their own ineptitude when it comes to preparing pitches.
They think we can play in our conditions where your
conditions are Playing in India, Playing in your own country
doesn't give you the right to manipulate what the pitch
is made of, or how it's prepared, or what's done.
(19:52):
Even in Pakistan where you play on the same strip.
I think that that is another disgrace, and that's my bouncer.
Let them come and get me.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
I'll duck under it once I'm bouldered.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, we've got a few moments just to reflect on
who we think should be playing. To my mind, the
top six is pretty much straightforward. Latham, Conway, Young, Ravendra,
Williamson and Mitchell. Whatever order you want there, probably you
would have a wiki keeper at seven and then you've
(20:27):
got troll places to fill.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Who do we feel.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Unless you're going to pick Phillips as a spinner as
the main spinner in New Zealand, have to decide that
our first test is in christ Church, where we generally
omitted spinners. Suntner will then find the surface. I think
down there a little harder to get what he had
at Pune if I was going to play a spinner,
(20:50):
you know, I think Bracewell is certainly a bigger turner
than the other two, and he offers other things as well.
But it could easily go to a seema Wadds. I
don't know who that seema would be. It might be Duffy,
but O'Rourke and Henry for two, I think they're the
first two. Now they've established there their positions, haven't they,
(21:12):
And then I suppose Saldy being there. I don't see
anybody else that's able at the moment, do you. I
don't think Nathan Smiths are ready yet to do that
sort of thing, so that those are the names I
would think that they're going to have to consider.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, they need a batting all rounder of some kind,
but they don't really have one that they can choose.
I mean, you talk about Nathan Smith, well, he's just
getting into the international red he's off playing in the
short form cricket in Sri Lanka and he might be
the man in time, but really it gets back to Bracewell,
(21:55):
Phillips or Center and you've only got room for one
of them, haven't you.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
That's right, That's right. So that'll be the choices they
have to make. If they want a spinner, and if
they want four seemers and they want to you know,
they do the usual thing that they do in christ Church,
then I guess you'd have Soudy and Duffy with Henry
and O'Rourke.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
One of the interesting things we don't have time to
go through the statistics of at the moment, but the
likelihood that India could miss out on the World Test
Championship Final. We'll have a look at the stats and
perhaps talk about them on a future occasion, because you know,
they've got Test matches in Australia and one article I
(22:45):
read said they've got to beat Australia for nil to
ensure their place in the World Test Championship Final. Hard
to see that against this Australian side, doesn't it.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Because I think that's right to odds. They did have
a few extra points before they started playing against New Zealand,
and so they could absorb perhaps a Test loss, but
they could certainly not if they lost all three, and
so that has put a tremendous amount of pressure onto
(23:18):
that Indian side going over to Australia. And it's just
as difficult to see them winning four nil over in
Australians to see New Zealan, you know, winning three nil
over in India.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Well we're going to be watching those with close attention
on what India and Australia doing. Of course, South Africa
have an opportunity to push their way through as well,
and New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Has freed England.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
And I'm not going to pick a winner of that
series just yet, I'm going to show that I've got
a touch of cowardice when it comes to backing New
Zealand at the moment. I'll sharpen up as things move
on in that series, winning.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Arrive Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I had the chance to sit under the scoreboard at
the south end of the Basin Reserve today as the
White Fans took the World T twenty trophy on a
tour of the country. They went through Wellington celebrating their
success and one of the five Tawer College former pupils,
Georgia Plimmer, was there enjoying the moment. Remarkable that five
(24:29):
of the one team of the past all went to
one school, and Plimmer, as one of them, was proud
of what her old school had achieved.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
I think we've always talked about how many Tawer College
girls is, but I think it's now even more been
emphasized about how many are in the White Fans and
obviously a lot of them made a big contribution to
this World Cup, so yeah, it's pretty crazy to be.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Fair, but just reflecting them that why was cricket so strong?
You had plenty of support to do at Tower College
when you were playing.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Yeah, I definitely think it's been able to see for
me personally, be able to see the likes of Sophie
Million Jis already do it before me and come from
the same sort of area. And obviously Gisimeli's dad, Robbie Kerr,
is such a big cricketer and the cricket and Wellington
cricket especially, and I think he was my first coach
and he sort of got me into the Tile College
first eleven and sort of saw there was something and
(25:21):
was able to push me on into the blaze. So yeah,
I definitely think having that small town connection sort of
helped us all kind of get into our careers.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Celebration at the railway station in Wellington this morning you
met all around jan there the cup, the trophies here.
Is it sinking in now for him?
Speaker 7 (25:36):
Yes, slowly is.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
I think having that series against India sort of stopped
the celebrations a little bit, but we knew how important
that was. And now to come home and see the
support and obviously talk to some of the fans and
how much it means to them and their kids. I
think that's been amazing and watching some of the videos
back from like ICC posting about Susie and Sophie still
gives me goosebump.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
So I think it's sort of setting in now, which
is pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
It was a long tough road to get there, though,
wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I mean, it wasn't always plain sailing and easy going
for you as a team or individual in the team.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
No, yeah, definitely, I think sort of.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
I feel like most people think that you need to
be on a winning role to be able to do
well at these tournaments, but I think we sort of
did the opposite of that, and obviously had ten losses
on the trot against two of the top sides in
the world. But I think a lot of people have
talked about how against the Aussie series we were starting
to see some good performances from different people and knowing
that it can't just be Susie, Sophie and merely and
(26:33):
other people have to contribute. So it was just amazing
that that tournament everyone stood up at different times and
where a lot of the younger ones were able to
contribute as well, like the likes of Eden and as
he Goes, I think they were amazing and so to
be on the top of the world stage and all
kind of come together and especially that final have such
a great game altogether.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
I think it was just amazing.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
It says a lot about consistency of performance that might
not have been there in the lead up, but when
you get to the tournaments it consistency is important.
Speaker 7 (26:59):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I think obviously starting that first game against India and
really being able to play such a great sort of
brand that we've been wanting to play for such a
long time and be able to execute that on the
first game, I think obviously that just gives a lot
of confidence throughout the tournament that we're in the right
spots and we're doing the right thing, and when we
all come together on the right day, it's all going
to work and we can beat.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
The best in the world. Was it fun one hundred percent?
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
I think obviously winning helps it be a little bit
more fun. It's been quite a sad sort of last
couple of months with some of the losses we've been through,
but I think that's sort of made it these wins
even more better. I think you have to go through
those losses to be able to experience all.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
Of that to make the wins feel even better.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
And yeah, I think for a small country like us
to be able to do that on the world stage
and perform at such a big event, I think it
was just amazing for you individually.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
You went through some tough times as well, didn't you,
But your game progress quite dramatically through to the fact
that you were in New Zealand's leading run score along
with the Susi bats during the tournament, that you were
starting to get runs and starting to contribute at the
top of the order.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Yeah, I think obviously being at the top of the
order has been a little bit different for me in
the last couple of months, but I think it's just
the major backing that we've had from the support stuff
and the players as well.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
Obviously in England, I didn't perform.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Like I wanted to, and I really wanted to contribute
to the team as much as I can. But I
think the conversations that I've had with lots of the
coaches and Sophie and Susie, and obviously having Susie up
the top to be able to bat with she's been
in the game for so long and she's experienced so
much that'll be able to talk to her through what
I'm feeling and sort of use that confidence from her.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
I think has been amazing.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
And I guess that score and Australia sort of helped
me sort of get that confidence that I can score
runs in the international game, and it just sort of
followed on. And Yeah, I guess the style of Plan
T twenty that I'm playing at the moment, sometimes it
might not show up show up, but if I'm still
aggressive and I'm trying to take the game on, if
it does come off, then hopefully that puts the team
(28:58):
in a bit of stead for the rest of the game.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
What did you change?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Did you change your mental approach or did you change
your technique and application of your skills on the part.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Yeah, I've been doing a lot of technique work over
the last two years. I think when I first came
into the White Fans, the technique just wasn't good enough
for international cricket at that point, and so to be
working on it with the batting coach Dean Brownley for
quite a while, and then over the last couple of
months have been really working on my mental game and
talking to our sports psychologists about how to get confidence
(29:27):
and how to sort of go out in those pressure
situations and be able to perform. But yeah, I think
it's a big boast of everything that's kind of gone
on in the last two months that has kind of
put me where I am right now.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
One of the things that I noticed from watching you
during that tournament was that you change more from hitting
through the wider mid on midwicket region and you were
playing down the ground. Was that an intentional move for
playing straight?
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Differently, I think a lot of the wagon wheels and
that tournament kind of showed me just literally scoring in
the v which in time I really want to work
on being out of school around the ground. But I
think the pictures over and Dubai sort of helped my
game and that I just want to keep playing heading
hard and straight, and I think the low slow pitches
and Dubai, I think that's what we found was obviously
(30:13):
the most the thing that worked the most, and so
for it to be able to be my sort of
game plan and work in those conditions.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
I think it's sort of helped me a bit to
be able to take down teams.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
If I just commit to being strong down the ground,
it doesn't matter if they've got fields set there.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
I still back myself to be able to hit it
through them.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
You've seem bubbly and if a Vessons, is that what
you want to bring in in your game of cricket
as well?
Speaker 7 (30:35):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
I think still being quite young and new to the
international scene, I think we have the likes of Susians
Sophie and and Lea who have been in it for
a while, and I think, yeah, obviously we had a
hard coming up to the World Cup, and I think
the way that the whole team sort of connects together
and can get the best out of people. I think
that's when you play your best cricket, is when you
feel comfortable on a team and be able to be yourself.
(30:58):
And I think that's what we kind of showed in
that last T twenty World Cup. Is that how we
work as a team sort of helped the gel.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
Out on the field.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, you've made a public statement, haven't you, team by
winning this tournament.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
You've now got to try and do it again and
beat Australia and beat England and.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Of course you now move into that category of becoming
a senior player and perhaps as a role model for
younger players. You were saying that, you know, people were
talking to you down at the Wellington railway station this
morning about, you know, wanting to get in and play cricket.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
I guess that's the when you come home and you
just go back to your home, you kind of just
feel like you're just yourself. But then being able to
come and talk to some of the fans at the
railway station and hearing some of them, some of the
moms talk about how their little girls and sons have
been watching it and really loving us playing cricket and
they might not be the sportiest people, but now they
want to take up playing cricket. I think that's really
(31:48):
what the whole thing's about, and how we are as
white fans, we really want to inspire lots of New
Zealanders to pick up sport and cricket and also leave
the Jersey in a better place, which obviously the likes
of Susie and so you have done it for such
a long time and there've been such still warts of
the games that to be able to try and sort
of do the same thing that they are and inspire
many people.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
In this country I think is really the goal.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, tea tweety fifty over cricket. What about Test match
or first class cricket? Where does that sit with you?
Is he to smile on your face?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Yeah, I guess obviously Test match cricket is the pinnacle
of cricket, and to be able to see the success
that the black set black Caps have recently had as well,
I think that's really entertaining to see and to see
how entertaining Test cricket still can be. And yeah, I
think it's pretty cool the opportunities that a lot of
the other women teams have been having at the moment
to be able.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
To play it.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
But yeah, I think it would be a great thing
to play, and I think a lot of the girls
have been wanting to play it.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
But yeah, I guess a lot.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Goes into it and sort of being able to prep
yourself to be able to play longer formats of cricket.
Speaker 7 (32:48):
But yeah, I think it's it's exciting.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Well, I mean, there's that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I suppose in the future you've laid down the marker
in terms of what you can do at the short
form game.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
The red Bull would be really encouraging.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Yeah, we've definitely had a big focus on the white
ball cricket at the moment, but yeah, if there's a possibility,
I think a lot of the girls would be pretty
pretty happy to do it.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Georgia Plummer, Jerry, it's nice to hear a young lady
and talk so enthusiastically about the game that she's now
put her in mind to. She's got a good bank
balance out of winning that World ten twenty. She acknowledges
their weaknesses that she's working on, and that's what we've
talked about. Isn't it that they have to work on
(33:31):
those weaknesses?
Speaker 5 (33:33):
I mean that and in a way is certainly as
good as the New Zealand winning three nil I think,
I mean, that's an extraordinary victory over there. Isn't it
to come from where they came from to where they
went to as extraordinary? And I was interested in what
she said about that, some of the changes she made
(33:54):
when she got into the side, and she's been working
on clearly straightening her game up from you know, to
so that she hits and defends down the pitch a
bit more, stays in a bit long. She's spoken obviously
to various people about getting some building some confidence, and
(34:17):
I could understand that with the way that she was
going prior to this this World Cup, she's obviously got
confidence now you can hear that in her voice, and
that's a great thing to have. But certainly you and
I both noticed she was scoring in different parts of
(34:37):
the ground. Wasn't she over that over that sort of
week and a half and what a result got for her.
I suppose you could argue it was easier for her
being an opener because in Dubai and Shahja, where the
pictures are slow and low, the ball at least comes
(34:58):
on to you because it's new, and you can hit
through the line of the ball a little bit more
as she does. You'd be in trouble if you wanted
to go legs, you'd get bold and LBW I think.
And so just her totals, you know, and her work
was Susie Bates, and she talked about her how important
(35:21):
it was to be batting with Susie Baits. In that
power play, they really got New Zealand away to some
good starts, you know. And she got thirty four off
twenty three, she got fifty three off forty eight, She
got fifty three off forty four. I mean these are
quite good totals, aren't they, And she's making a significant contribution,
(35:45):
so I mean, she did very well and so I'm
thrilled for her, as for the rest of the girls,
and so well done to them. I'm glad they're also
able to take the trophy around. They deserve that and
I'm sure it will help that process of attracting other
(36:05):
youngsters and other young women to come and play, you know,
so that's a very important thing.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
That was one of the things she said that when
they were standing at Wellington railway station where they were
greeted by many of the commuters and got good round
of applause at various times from the people down there,
that there were people who also came up and said,
you know, it makes me want to go and play cricket.
And I think that is what New Zealand cricket has
to look forward to these young players. And I think
(36:36):
the last part of that interview was how about thinking
about a first class competition, give them more time out
in the middle to develop them games, not to develop
it at T twenty perhaps a bit more ODI cricket.
And that's what they're going to have because it's a
World Cup coming up, but they need to be playing
(36:57):
more quality cricket rather than just the lottery that is
white ball cricket.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
Yeah, that's true. I think we've touched on this a
little bit before. If New Zealand hasn't got the money
to try and bring these players together, they'll think through
it if they're smart, and maybe two day games wads
will certainly be a very good start, and two day
red ball games and that will help their ODI cricket
(37:26):
a great deal. They'll have to be more aware of,
you know, playing a bit more straight. It's staying in
a little bit longer, finding singles and judging the you
know what is a run that's very important for ODIs
and for twenty twenties. So that will help those white
ball games a great deal as well, and it'll push
(37:49):
on them from there to make them better all round players.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
And they're home now to place some HBDA Halliburton Johnson matches,
So that's the over cricket rather than T twenty and
we look forward to seeing them perform. You can put
your feed up for a couple of weeks during no
Test cricket. You've done the hard yards. Very proud of
your achievements. Happy to celebrate them with you, and you
(38:14):
can send me a bottle of read.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
Thanks. Wadds. Yeah, that was It was great fun watching it,
wasn't it. I mean so just it was was it
made you, It made me think back to some of
the difficult times and to see them working so hard
together and they were thrilled as a team, weren't they
when they when they had those little moments at the
(38:37):
end of games that they couldn't quite believe what they
had achieved. And we should be very proud of proud
of them and what they've done.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Indeed, right over, let's bring on the palms and be
ready for that very week.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
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