December 9, 2024 • 42 mins
This week on On The Front Foot, Bryan Waddle and Jeremy Coney were joined by Peter Holland to look for positives as the Black Caps prepare for their final test against England. Bryan joined the Hospitality Marquee to get former England Captain Mike Gatting’s thoughts on the series, and the boys celebrate the First XI NZ Cricket Hall of Fame inductees.
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
Hello, we're on the front foot again, but hardly celebrating
because we've lost another Test series. Hello, England have settled
the Test series emphatically in under three days. Of the basis,
what's gone wrong with the team that beat into a
three zero? And that was done with style, class and dominance.
New Zealand cricket has a Hall of Fame eleven. There's
(01:07):
any selection challengegible Can anybody get into that eleven? Or
will it be extended? What do the English think of
the series? They've won it to nil? There's one game
to go at the World Test Championship. Do we forget
about South Africa? They look as though they're now under
the final. So who against Australia or India? I think Australia.
(01:29):
Jeremy Caney, what do you think of the World Test Championship.
Do we forget about South Africa or just pay more
attention to our side of the draw?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Idds Yes, I think that's probably the second option that
you gave us. It is more likely we look after
ourselves because we intend to be that way. But well
done South Africa. You know, that's fantastic that they've got through.
I think it's nice to have different teams from outside
(01:58):
the top three, the wealthy nations who are going to
be contesting the final, and you would certainly it's going
to be either India and Australia or Australia.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
So.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
We'll be keeping an eye on those for those people
who are interested in finding out he'll be in that
series final. So it certainly shouldn't have been New Zealand
because while it was a very small opportunity after beating India,
surprisingly that seems a bit of an outlier now, doesn't it.
(02:34):
We didn't really deserve to be there if you go
over our results.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, it's interesting you talk to people, they want to
take a bit of a credit away from New Zealand
for beating India, but I think you've got to give
credit where credit is due, Peter Holland as well as
most they're they're not playing the sign of cricket against
England that they played against India. Are they different different
conditions but they are not the same team.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Oh completely not.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
It's it's it's it's most perverse, really, isn't it too
when you look at what happened a month ago and
what we've just witnessed here, which was there's nothing but
to say that other than we've been demolished. And it's
not only that we've hardly even got through the second
session on the third day or two and a half
(03:17):
days still to go. It's a real head scratcher as
to what's going on. It really is. So all I
can say, coming back to Jerry's point around and your
point around South Africa, I think that's fabulous. I think
it really is great for cricket, and as you also say,
not from the so called top Big three who are
highly funded than the like, so well done South Africa,
(03:39):
it'd be great.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
The interesting thing from their point of view, of course,
there only end up playing twelve games on the World
Test Championships in total, Australia nineteen India nineteen England. Twenty
two games have been played and of course South Africa
hasn't had to play either Australia or India. Is that
a bit of an anomaly in the setup? Do they
need to just change it around a little bit? I
(04:02):
think even number of matches for each side would be
a better way of deciding that, Jerry, wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
It not going to happen? It's the most curious. We've
spoken about this at length over our podcasts. It's a
very strange kind of competition. It's not a league competition,
it's nothing really, and there's always the chance if you're
not playing, as New Zealand found as well when they
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weren't playing England or India or Australia in your little
setup and whatever the iteration is, and you look very
carefully at the games you're playing. If they are missing,
then you've got a jolly good chance. If you play
well enough, you get through to that final. New Zealand
nailed that one, didn't they. But this series it's been
(04:54):
limp and I'm afraid meek and rather baffling at home
in our conditions. I know it's different from India. But
they're our conditions. And I've watched New Zealand as you
have as well. We all three of us here have
watched New Zealand through many, many years and matches and
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witnessed lots of losses and some victories. But I can't
recall being five hundred and eighty two runs behind by
the early day three of a match that we've had
this year. I cannot recall.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
That these weren't bad conditions. These are pretty good conditions.
The weather on the Saturday was fabulous in Wellington. The
track was getting flatter and flatter. It was bewildering as
to how you could be that far behind. And I
was most interested, and I thought they would do it
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was to declare in the third session on day two,
which was the ultimate insult, but just to rub it in,
they didn't do it. Instead, their captain came out with
utter disdain and from ball one she just smashed it
to all parts, which was just it was a real statement,
(06:17):
if you will, about where we are and where you
guys are in New Zealand. Very very emphatic, wasn't it?
To watch it and then just to stick stick New
Zealand And?
Speaker 7 (06:29):
And it was all over Wadds christ Church eight wickets
in three and a bit days, loose batting and poor catching,
Wellington less than three days batting and batting, and perhaps
some work to be done in the field, plans and
(06:50):
made in the field.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
You cannot win a Test match or be competitive in
a Test if you've bout thirty five overs only in
your first innings and fifty four overs in your second
innings and combined that adds up to less than a
day's scheduled play for both your batting innings.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Okay, So you want to look at the Test series
and particularly the Second Test as we prepare for the
third Test in Hamilton, and Mike Gatting, former England Capitaal
will join us a little later on with his thoughts
on the series. But one of the things he talked
about was why do we prepare pictures like that for
England bowlers? Why not have spin friendly pictures? And the
(07:33):
other one, of course was selections. Is that what it
gets back to the selections and the conditions. I don't
see anything wrong with the conditions. There are our conditions.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
As you say, you can't fight nature odds. This is
before Christmas. That's what we should be very accustomed to.
Unfortunately for New Zealand, as I said at the start
before they arrived, England are going to feel comfortable here
because it's very much like their conditions as well. We
have a seam based attack, they have a seam based attack.
(08:05):
Their batsmen are comfortable facing a little bit more pace
and nipping around, So that's always going to be a
slight issue for us. The only conditions where we could
be confront slightly different would be Hamilton, which will turn
a bit more. How many spinners did England bring? Onds through?
(08:28):
Spinners they brought Yeah, they were ready for that. They
had thought this through, They had ran armored, they had
Jack Leach and they had Basher who they've been playing,
so they could play two if they wish in Hamilton
quite comfortably. If we decided to get the you know,
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you know, take all the grass off and try and
get it very very dry. Why are we trying to
bat this perhaps the same tempo as England? Are we?
Why are we not batting in the testinies and playing
our game? Why are we not letting the ball go?
(09:13):
I just I don't understand things wads that I'm seeing.
We are losing each day, even before the game starts.
We are losing the warm ups as well. What do
you mean by that, Jerry, I mean they walk out
New Zealand after in England enjoy each other's company. I've
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seen that over the last Test match because I stayed
in the same hotel. They play a lot of golf.
We all know that, and who people who follow the
game will know that. They enjoy each other's company. But
on a when it's a Test day, they are in
the business. They get down to it. They walk. You
(09:56):
saw them moose walking off early to from the Sophoatel,
which is a reasonable walk down to the base and reserve,
all going together down they go. They are out there
by the time I get there and I have to
do the picture reports. I'm there just after nine. They
are running through full. They've gone done their exercises. They
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are running off their full run both over the wicket,
then they go round the wicket. Then they have catchers.
They'd have catchers to right handers, then they change over
for left handers against Conway and against Latham and so on.
They go through their routines. New Zealand walk out late.
They have their hoodies on with their hands and their pockets.
(10:42):
They run off five or six paces for five or
six deliveries. No catches that I see, not many. The
Batsmen do their thing elsewhere, that's fair enough. But England
clearly win the warmnuts. That's what I mean by us
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being lethargic and they're ready to go. We used to
love it in eighty six when we used to be
England every time, every day.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
The sad part of all this, of course, and I
agree you're right most is that we're talking negatives, aren't we.
There's very few positives we can take when we want
to be taking positives.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Isn't it hard to find them?
Speaker 4 (11:26):
When when you're faced with with.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
You know, really bad losses, and when where do you
draw the positives?
Speaker 4 (11:35):
And then look, there are some.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
But what I see in a in a in a
in this England team is a team where there really
does appear to be a lot of preparation, and you
don't you don't normally associate them. I don't associate that
with McCallum as being a sort of a real highly
prepared individual. But everything that I'm looking here going down
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to how he's changed his team or that team with
Stokes and key from you know, getting out the old guard,
your bear stoves and do it with dignity and refresh
the team. So we now have this team which is
ready for seeming conditions. As Jerry said, they brought out
three spinners. The way they prepare, they seem to have
(12:23):
a plan around what they're doing, and that compares somewhat
back on New Zealand compares somewhat badly when you look
at them on the field of how they're going about
their their business. They just look at damn good side
and the way that they're setting up for their big
the big game next year.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
In the Ashes.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
They're setting up beautifully, aren't they with these new quick bowlers.
It looks really really encouraging. Now compare that to us,
I'm afraid we look a bit of a rebel.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
You mentioned selection earlier, which we didn't get onto and
obviously that's a big discussion coming up to this next
Test match. Look at what England had done. They removed Anderson,
they removed Bestow, they removed Olie Robinson, they removed folks
probably the best people done because it didn't fit what
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they wanted to do. That's some people would say that's brutal,
but it's very stark different from what New Zealand do.
There's no ramification about it at all.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Well, those selection issues that we talk about coming up
into the next Test match. By now we've got to
live with the fact that this World Test Championship is over.
It's time to look to the future rather than celebrate
the past. It's nice to celebrate the past, but always
the nice fluffy things that go around. And that's what
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Ben Stokes did with Joe Rudy wanted him to have
one hundred good on him. They were in control of
the game in New Zealand were playing catch up. New
Zealand have got a change and it's Devin Conway. But
it's a convenient change for the selectors. They don't have
to make a decision. He's going to be given time
off to spend time with his wife for the birth
(14:06):
of their child and that that's fine, that's great, But
it saved them making a decision, hasn't it convenient?
Speaker 5 (14:14):
And frankly, I my my expectation was that Conway would
have been putting his hand up anyway. He looked a
beaten man, really sad. Because I'm a great admirer of
his uller and you know, and the talent's there, but
he really needs he needs a break, go and play,
and so this is convenience. Hard not to be a
(14:35):
bit skeptical or cynical about it, but the change need
needed to happen. I've got to say in the closing
interview with Latham, I was astonished when we when it
was just a given that that it'll be nice to
have you know, Tim in in the final match. There
was no discussion about about it. It was just a
(14:57):
given that he was going to be playing when his
output has been modished at best. So this is what
you're faced with and you compare the to England. The
difference is in the Contrast's stark, isn't it? How I
look at it, I'm disappointed because more of the same,
(15:19):
he's not going to get us there.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
It's a farewell tour. And while we like to contribute, Yeah,
while we'venowed like to acknowledge those players who have contributed,
that should not be the reason for selection. What other
changes do you see in terms of make up. It's
hard to tell a few days out from the Test match,
(15:44):
but clearly with Chapman coming into the squad, Young moves
in to the opening position, where I don't necessarily believe
he is an opener. But he'll pick it up and
run because he did in India where he was required
to bat.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
He'll do his best, course he will. It's a pity
that it's been five weeks in five days, I look
that up, since he's played red ball cricket. The selectors,
in their wisdom, let's face it, sent him to a
meaningless three games of ODI's over in Sri Lanka. I
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wonder for how many of us will remember that result
next year. And he now he's been sitting and watching
two Test matches after a major contribution in India. Don't
give him any red ball cricket. He had a chance.
He could have played the first plunket shield, couldn't he. Yes, yeah,
(16:45):
that's right. He could have been playing that. They don't
let him go away from the game because of if
a batsman gets hit in the head and has to
go off and can't play, so he's got to be
there watching means he can't play another plunket shield round.
So meanwhile, the opposition bowlers have got loads of confidence.
(17:09):
I don't know how to make it easy to bring
in another new batsman at Wadds. I think there should
be a change perhaps to the bowling. I would say,
who would you rather face wads sow the one twenty
six swinging the ball from the hand well O'Rourke with
the new ball.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Clearly, Sally, I'd not trying to face him, and you'll
get him because we're actually using O'Rourke and to a
lesser extent, Nathan Smith the new boy as punching bags.
They're being called in to do the hard yards at
the wrong time when you know O'Rourke should have the
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first or second over with Henry, not the twelfth or
fifteenth over after the shine's been taken off at with
six as being hidden the first over.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
How they've gone about their their their methods, both in
the both in the manner in which they've managed their
balls and how they're battered has been bewildering. They've never
batted for time, you know, coming back, I'm not talking
about bowling, but but that shot of Revengers just before
lunch on the third day, when inga when it's raining,
(18:23):
and who put the message out there get through to lunch?
Were we having that conversation? Well, clearly not because he's
he's gone on the front foot and played a half
hearted shot next out just before lunch.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
That's that's just by the way.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
I wonder what the conversation was like when he got it,
when he got into the shed. Was there one my
expectations there should have been, but I don't think there
would have been.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
But also when I'm watching this and I'm looking at at.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
The potency or lack of when in the first over
of the match till Souther gets wafted over over long
off for sex in such a nonchalant manner.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
You just go, well, that was easy. Wow, That's all
I can say.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Wadds. I suppose the option to bring in terms of
the bowling to change is Santna, isn't it. Yeah? And
the expectation that any of these three surfaces will give
some It'll only be a little, but I think I
don't know, we haven't seen the pitch yet, but it
will give maybe some assistance and sympathy to the slower bowlers.
(19:33):
I don't think we can't expect Santner just because he's
come off thirteen wickets at Pune. It's not going to
be the same. He's going to be the one day
bowler that we know he is, which is excellent. He'll
use flight, but he's not going to get much turned.
We've just got to expect that he may provide a
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few runs down as well. I don't know, but I
can't and that will leave New Zealand with three seemas.
Can we do one last thing because I'm getting sick
of the negative stuff because there's not much positive is there? Really?
Let's be honest, fellas. We can hunt for it, but
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imagine a discussion. I want you both to imagine a
discussion that won't take place, but maybe it should between
Scott Weenick, CEO of New Zealand Cricket and the New
Zealand Cricket team itself and the consequences because there are
(20:40):
of losing in three and a bit days and two
and three quarter days, less days than the five less
crowd less money from gate takings being large crowds.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Moose your thoughts. This goes a long way because if
I'm a broadcaster, I've lost two and a half days
of advertising revenue. So therefore, when I can, I'm into
the conversations that I need to have at some point
when the broadcasting rights are being renewed next year. Well,
if I if I'm Scott weinbick, which I pity because
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it becomes very very hard. What is what of my leverage?
What are my one of my arguments? What am I
What have I got to offer? When if I'm the
broadcast and I say, well, on average, you guys are
playing three days, I want five days. So what this
is doing is creating, I suspect, a hole in their forecasts,
the cash fow for forecasts which will not be filled,
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and that has major kick on influence outcomes for the
future because where does the revenue come from? What funds
the game? The consequences are far reaching and it effects
that players coming up and through from the domestic game,
both on the on the women and the men's side.
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It is we can trivialize this, but the consequence of
these two test matches when they came off a series
win against India, where all of a sudden they would
have been in a direct position to negotiate the rights
against India.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Who you want?
Speaker 5 (22:19):
That's gone away now? And so I if I'm Scott
and and his finance team, you know I'll be scratching
a head. Sadly, I don't suspect any of these points
around the consequences of what this happens in terms of
New Zealand cricket will have been covered or discussed. They
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take their money, they move on without any consequence because
they're not going to be dropped.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And and yet.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
The commercial outcomes are really bad for New Zealand cricket.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Less money to pay the clay, less for development programs,
less money for the future. Knock on a fixed for
our future game.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Brian Waddell Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
One of the more enjoyable parts of the Test match
season is the return of England and the vast number
of supporters they bring. The Barmie Army is just one
group among a wide circle of passionate cricket followers enjoying
the experience of a trip down Under and adding to
our economy and the cricket economy. I had the pleasure
of meeting the Spectac group, led by none other than
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former England skipper Mike getting a regular visitor to our
shores with tours in the past. Not surprisingly, they've enjoyed
the two Tests, sitting in their marquee beside the vanstand
after the black Caps succumbed by three hundred and twenty
three runs. The wind was blowing violently but didn't stop
the mild celebrations they were having. As the postmatch presentation concluded,
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I popped into Sea Yat, who told me, above the
noise of the boisterous celebration and the wind, his disappointment
at New Zealand's effort not really up to the performance
of a side that beat India three nil.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
No, they didn't.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
They did in India was just truly amazing to be
India on their own pitches, and the last Test match
was even more so astounding when the India chasing one
hundred and twenty odd didn't get those either. So it
was a fantastic upstanding force by New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
I did happen to say.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
To one of your people who asked me to do
a small interview before we started the Test series. I
sort of did say a little bit tongue in cheap,
are you not playing on the wrong wickets here? Why
aren't you playing on turning wickets? Because it is difficult
coming from somewhere like India where you're in a rhythm
of playing spin bowling and then to come back to
play on wickets like you.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
Produce lovely wicket.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
The hacker, well, it was a really good cricket wicket,
but it bounced.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Seeing them, you have to play differently, and.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
I sometimes wonder how much time they needed to a
clim because I remember going from India to Australia and
how different that was, and how did what it was
to actually acclimatize the different way of playing.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
These are our pictures, though, these are the pictures we
play on.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Don't think that they are.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
And we've played on We've played on wickets in England
which are a very similar to yours here, and yet
we had come back from India where we played on
all turning wickets and all five Test matches, and you do.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Get into a room of playing and then you.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
Do need to sort of get your feet moving in
different ways and you have a different mindset. The balls
never around your head, it's always sort of coming at
waist item spinners, and so I think I'm not trying
to make excuses here, but I have to say the
two wickets we've played on have been exceptionally helpful to
the seamers initially, and you dropped some catches in the
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first Test match.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
Which was hugely important.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
It didn't help, but England you would have to say,
have been efficiently ruthless.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
Well, look that the guy, the guy that's been impressive
has been mister cass Atkinson's bold well and of course
are reliable wokes and we've actually fielded very well. And
I suppose you could say the differences that two of
our guys have got their got their heads one me
and mister Brook who said that inn he's here at
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the Wellington Basin Reserve was the best he's played so
far and I think it was challenging. He came in
at Boudioca three and it was challenging and he actually
played it his way. Hugely talented, difficult wicket, a rook
bowling really well, Henry bowling well and here he managed
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to get through.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Is he finished article of brokers?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
He work in pragnss still.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Do you know? I don't know.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
I mean we've watched him and it's been amazing how
he seems to have a bit like David Gower, just
acclimatized test screen straight away.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
He doesn't seem to have been phased by it. He's
paid in some extraordinary.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
Shots at extraordinary times, like just running down the wicking
and smashing something over mid off. I mean that was
never in my copybook or coaching manual, but here they are.
And it must be very difficult for captain zam bowlers
to try and adapt to having the thing back of
your mind that somebody might be charging down that we
get ball into the maybe five miles an hour, get
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somebody's in a charge town, or we get them, try
and wake you back over there, and actually if you
bowl it's somewhere there.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
He's likely if you back over your head from a
standing position too. To plan differently, just the words as
sad as it is.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Being a Wellingtonian, I had to acknowledge the ever present
hurricane like wind as the tour group contemplated two days
sightseeing before hitting north and I got the tour leader
on the spot. If you were to be the black
Caps coach, what changes would you want to make? And
this was before changes that were made.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
Well, I would certainly consider seeing if they can get
the hair dryer on the hammeleg and pitch and make
it turn a bit, but I would certainly have to
look at you know, Conway has been struggling a bit
for a little while now, and you know, your player
of the series from from India has not even been
sort of seen. So regisent does he open? I'm not
(28:05):
sure he did have a He did have a go
and didn't act to do so well.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
But there is a spot. It isn't going to be
Came Williamson's.
Speaker 8 (28:12):
It isn't going to be anybody just further down, and
so it's going to be open spot.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
Let's be fair.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
And so if he's keen to do that, I'm sure
he wants to play for new Eland, he'll do it.
I'm batting at three and one is only one ball anyway.
If you get something anisode, you know, I don't know
quite what the sort of thought about it is, but
I would say that if it is going to turn
where we see somebody like Sandner actually being thought about
because it hasn't quite worked for you in the way
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that you wanted to do.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
With green bouncy wickets, Yep, it's.
Speaker 8 (28:42):
Never going to be green and bouncy at Hamilton. I
don't think it was never that sort of pitchure I played,
and that was.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
A long time ago.
Speaker 8 (28:49):
So if it's going to turn, then they've got a
choice to make either Smith or Southeast fair point.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
It's going to require some change and we will know
that soon enough. I also suggested to Get that there's
not so much a skill and ability issue, but mindset
and application we could keep it. Tom Blundell produced at
entertaining hundred to no well, of course, but it displayed
a bit of the old keiw ticket.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
It was a very positive approach to the game on
a wicket that it's got better, a little bit of
pace in it. Didn't turn very much, but there was
some pace in there and he played positively and to
me it was a fabulous knock. I mean, I enjoyed
watching it amid the sort of bits and pieces that
were going on around it. And you know, some of
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the plays like that, it's sometimes very hard to pull that,
even as good a bowl as you are.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
It is, you know, the different fields.
Speaker 8 (29:44):
There were not too many slips or whatever, but No
Bundle played a very very fine innings.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
England, of course, are preparing themselves for other Tish met series,
but they're basically preparing themselves for the eshes.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
The ashes down Under.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Is this society can beat us draining.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
I honestly think there's a there's another for the series
at home first that we really get through.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
But I mean, and it's going to be a tough.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
One against India and so we will see some guys
playing some very difficult bowlers to place, you.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Know, Sarah, and we've got Boomerah and there.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
Some decent spinners to cope with, and therefore it's going
to be a bit more of an education for them.
As I say, they've handled it so well so far.
And if if Bethel does come of age, so I
have a sort of a Bethel Roote and Brook that's
going to be brutal for Southerber team going to have
the bowl at them, and you know with Stokes as
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well there So yes, I think we're in a in
a for once, we're in a bit of a one.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
In a place where you think, yes, we can take
us on down. And just slight world of caution if either.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Zach Brawley or or Duckett gets in and I don't
see anybody putting their hand up in the youth play
at the moment, So cautionary word on the On the
bowling side though, looks like Josh Archer is keen to play.
Wood will be there for selection when Matthew Potts, who
bowled really well in his last couple of matches he played,
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you know, hasn't got in here yet either.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
So Potts ISTONELI.
Speaker 8 (31:17):
Stone, Yeah, we have.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
We have some cover, some seriously good cover.
Speaker 8 (31:23):
And you know, with the pace of Wooden Archer to
add good what we have here, you've got to say
that we're in a reasonably good position compared to where
the Aussies are at the moment. So the askh I
read the other day about the U versus experience is
going to be an interesting instance.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Your life has been cricket.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
You came as a young players in New Zealand nineteen
seventy eight as part of Jeffrey Boybutch's team. You played
dis matches. That was your sort of baboo era seventy
seventy seven eight, and you've been in cricket since then
in various forms. You have with a tour party, a
lovely bunch of people I had the good fortune to meet.
Can you like that sort of life top.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
I enjoy at the moment.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
There will be a time where you just say no,
you can't, because I have to, And I love watching how.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
People sort of mature and just sitting at Test match
thing what I be doing or you know all, what's
that going to happen? And I just it is fun.
Speaker 8 (32:18):
I never used to like watching cricket Test cricket when
I was batting, I'd just sit quietly and wait to
go in.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
But I love watching for it.
Speaker 8 (32:26):
And just talking cricket because there's so much going on
in the world of a moment, Brian, in the fact
that we're in a very interesting stage and it could
go one way or the other. But I think we've
slightly turned the tide on the shall we get rid
of Test cricket one? So I think we might have
just done that, but we still got to just do
a few things to make sure that we keep the
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Test cricket going, because that is a must. Yes, the
IPL is fantastic, that's all good, and it's great for
the game.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
It brings the money in.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
But if you can't do without these wonderful guys like
Hayman and like groups like rut who are going to
go and play IPL at some stage and it keeps
the quality of the competition something.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Like the IPOL very high. With our Test cricket, he
won't get those great players to sell to the ball clubs.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Exactly on the front foot with Waddle and Cody.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
We have a.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
First eleven of a Hall of Fame first eleven given
to you quickly, but suck with John Reid, Glenn Turner,
Richard Hadley, Martin Crowe, Daniel Vittori, Brendan McCallum, Jackie Lord,
Trish McKelvey, and Debbie Hockley, along with Emily drum eleven
chosen any of those challengeable. I have one name that
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I would consider, but stats probably go against Stewey Dempster.
You to be coached by Steey Dempster at the base
from reserve many many many years ago, Jerry, I don't
know whether you were there. Peter Holland and he used
to run a net at the basin, but his statistical
record reads well, but he only played ten test matches.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
I certainly did have some contact with Stuey Dempster, not
at the basin Rods I was a little older, but
all the Evan Gray kind of era and Rob Burt Varnce,
those sort of people did Boots Edgar, but I went
round to his house. He and he had a little
sort of lawn up above his sitting room as he
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looked up a little concrete wall and then his lawn.
And I used to play shots up there, and he
used to watch me from indies and then I'd go
down and he'd give me a few little notes. Yeah,
Stewie Dempster would be you know, and people who've gone
to the base and know that that's there, the name
of the gates at the southern end of the ground. Yes,
you're write ten tests averaging sixty five. But he's played
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first class games one hundred and eighty four twelve thousand
and one hundred or whatever, runs at average forty five
thirty five hundred and fifty five fifties. Best average in
nineteen twenty seven, which was our first tour to England.
Best average of the lot New Zealand. The second test,
if you remember they've ever had nineteen thirty at the
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base in reserve when Jack Mills and Stewie Dempster I
had that big partnership. If you walk around the base
in Reserve and promenade there, you'll find a little disk
in the ground commemorating that partnership. He got one hundred
and thirty six and then an eighty not out in
the second innings nineteen thirty one he got one hundred
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and twenty at Lord's average fifty nine. On the tour.
He was captain in nineteen thirty one thirty two against
South Africa and also against England in thirty two thirty three.
So he really While he did settle in England and
played for a guy called Sir Julian Kahn, they came
out to New Zealand as well. Yeah, sort of a
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team that he took around. He was a furniture magnate,
made heaps of money, played for Leicester over in England.
He ran the store there as well for Sir Julian Kahn.
But you know he's he's certainly to me could have.
He was in the top six bats in the world
at that time, great fielder, closure, fine player of slow bowling.
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I think I think certainly he could have been part
of that group.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Anybody you see most because I mean you can't argue
with the names that are there. They are basically men
and women. The Hall of Fame of his Young.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Cricket, well that's true.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
I mean there's one that I would I'd also added
as Martin Donnelly. You know, because of the time, how
many tests we played the intervention of the Second World War.
He only he played seven tests, only seven tests, high
score of two hundred and six five hundred and eighty
two runs an average of fifty two. But his first
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class at games one hundred and thirty one. He was
he was, He was a cap at Oxford University. He
averaged forty seven over overall overall US as is Korea
one hundred and twenty three. This was a genuinely classy player,
a great player, but intervene because of the Second World War,
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the first England Tour when he was nineteen. Therefore a
lot of what he could have been was cut short.
So he would be one other that I would throw
in there. I mean, those are pretty phenomenal results. And
remember these sort of results or outcomes or statistics covered
uncovered wickets, I say in England. You know that that
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adds a whole different dimension when you look at those
those statistics. That's special for Donaldy and Dempster, very special
to me. They must haves and hopefully there's a second
round other than that. I'm not so sure. One hundred percent.
Sutcliffe Red then turn it, you know, no question, but
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these two special players need some consideration.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yeah, I would just throw in Jack Cowie as well.
Don't want to go about his figures and things once
because I know a short of time. But Jack Cowie
is another name. People are interested to have a look
see how he went Bull Cowie.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, indeed, And I certainly don't argue with the list
that's been put up. Our good friend Francis Payne has
done the statistical work around this, and you wouldn't ever
want to argue with Francis pain He is meticulous in
his stats and I think that he would have probably
had the supporting role and the numbers that are there.
I'm just wondering five years after he retires, whenever that is,
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Cain Williamson will be a certainty. Do they have a
zeal Hall of Fame twelve or fourteen or sixteen or
does somebody drop off the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 3 (38:58):
I don't know, mate. Don't they just keep it adding
to it?
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Do you add to it?
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah, you just keep going twenty three, twenty four, whatever,
just keep adding to it.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
We've had a couple of emails.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I just mention a bit of one of them, and
it's come from Pack basically saying that the test at
the basis Roove has just finished and really, when we
examine the stats, the performance of the New Zealand side
comes as no surprise at all, as you were saying,
and Pat has put down some stats for the team,
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and basically his line was apart from young, no one
was carrying any form to speak into this current series.
And yet he didn't play man for man. Everyone on
the New Zealand side was outplayed by their English opponent.
And Steve comes in and he basically talks about the
overs allotment.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
For what it's worth.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
The expectation that ninety overs a day is laudable may
now no longer be possible. There are simply too many
breaks in the day's play to achieve that ideal. Umpire decisions,
decision reviews, the number of times the ball goes to
the boundary and it gets close to touching the boundary rope,
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the waste of time doing that. But it was basically
poor old Steve saying sorry for the wonge, loving the
cricket and I'm a long time listener, so stay with us.
Steve will love hearing from you and we look forward
to hearing from you again. Thanks very much for your comments.
This morning, guys, look forward to the testaments. Jerry, you're
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wending your way slowly up the country. Mercy, you're going
to Hamilton.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
No, no, no, no, there's only so much that I
want to put myself through. I'm retreating to quietly to
the trenches and moses losing weight every Test.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
It's extraordin.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Only getting three day lunches rather than five. Yeah, well
the same here.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Yes, exactly what New Zealand had got to do was
is avoid being the third to lose three nil in
a home series that we've had. We've had thirty eight
three Test series in New Zealand. We've lost two of
only two of those three nil, once against Ozzie ninety
nine two thousand and once against England nineteen sixty two
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sixty three. We don't want to add We don't want
to add another one. No, we don't. Thanks very rash, guys.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Let's hope we can talk positively next week about the
Black Cap side. I'm a little bit reticent to predict
them for a win, but you know I've made some
silly pronouncements in the past. Should I pick them for a.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
Win, I'd like a half brought drawer would be quite good.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
I'd like to find get to the fifth days exactly
what we want for.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Christmas is a five day test that.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
I've had that before, haven't we win? Thanks guys, welcome.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
Hello, we're on the front foot again, but hardly celebrating
because we've lost another Test series. Hello, England have settled
the Test series emphatically in under three days. Of the basis,
what's gone wrong with the team that beat into a
three zero? And that was done with style, class and dominance.
New Zealand cricket has a Hall of Fame eleven. There's
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any selection challengegible Can anybody get into that eleven? Or
will it be extended? What do the English think of
the series? They've won it to nil? There's one game
to go at the World Test Championship. Do we forget
about South Africa? They look as though they're now under
the final. So who against Australia or India? I think Australia.
(01:29):
Jeremy Caney, what do you think of the World Test Championship.
Do we forget about South Africa or just pay more
attention to our side of the draw?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Idds Yes, I think that's probably the second option that
you gave us. It is more likely we look after
ourselves because we intend to be that way. But well
done South Africa. You know, that's fantastic that they've got through.
I think it's nice to have different teams from outside
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the top three, the wealthy nations who are going to
be contesting the final, and you would certainly it's going
to be either India and Australia or Australia.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
So.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
We'll be keeping an eye on those for those people
who are interested in finding out he'll be in that
series final. So it certainly shouldn't have been New Zealand
because while it was a very small opportunity after beating India,
surprisingly that seems a bit of an outlier now, doesn't it.
(02:34):
We didn't really deserve to be there if you go
over our results.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, it's interesting you talk to people, they want to
take a bit of a credit away from New Zealand
for beating India, but I think you've got to give
credit where credit is due, Peter Holland as well as
most they're they're not playing the sign of cricket against
England that they played against India. Are they different different
conditions but they are not the same team.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Oh completely not.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
It's it's it's it's most perverse, really, isn't it too
when you look at what happened a month ago and
what we've just witnessed here, which was there's nothing but
to say that other than we've been demolished. And it's
not only that we've hardly even got through the second
session on the third day or two and a half
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days still to go. It's a real head scratcher as
to what's going on. It really is. So all I
can say, coming back to Jerry's point around and your
point around South Africa, I think that's fabulous. I think
it really is great for cricket, and as you also say,
not from the so called top Big three who are
highly funded than the like, so well done South Africa,
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it'd be great.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
The interesting thing from their point of view, of course,
there only end up playing twelve games on the World
Test Championships in total, Australia nineteen India nineteen England. Twenty
two games have been played and of course South Africa
hasn't had to play either Australia or India. Is that
a bit of an anomaly in the setup? Do they
need to just change it around a little bit? I
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think even number of matches for each side would be
a better way of deciding that, Jerry, wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
It not going to happen? It's the most curious. We've
spoken about this at length over our podcasts. It's a
very strange kind of competition. It's not a league competition,
it's nothing really, and there's always the chance if you're
not playing, as New Zealand found as well when they
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weren't playing England or India or Australia in your little
setup and whatever the iteration is, and you look very
carefully at the games you're playing. If they are missing,
then you've got a jolly good chance. If you play
well enough, you get through to that final. New Zealand
nailed that one, didn't they. But this series it's been
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limp and I'm afraid meek and rather baffling at home
in our conditions. I know it's different from India. But
they're our conditions. And I've watched New Zealand as you
have as well. We all three of us here have
watched New Zealand through many, many years and matches and
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witnessed lots of losses and some victories. But I can't
recall being five hundred and eighty two runs behind by
the early day three of a match that we've had
this year. I cannot recall.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
That these weren't bad conditions. These are pretty good conditions.
The weather on the Saturday was fabulous in Wellington. The
track was getting flatter and flatter. It was bewildering as
to how you could be that far behind. And I
was most interested, and I thought they would do it
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was to declare in the third session on day two,
which was the ultimate insult, but just to rub it in,
they didn't do it. Instead, their captain came out with
utter disdain and from ball one she just smashed it
to all parts, which was just it was a real statement,
(06:17):
if you will, about where we are and where you
guys are in New Zealand. Very very emphatic, wasn't it?
To watch it and then just to stick stick New
Zealand And?
Speaker 7 (06:29):
And it was all over Wadds christ Church eight wickets
in three and a bit days, loose batting and poor catching,
Wellington less than three days batting and batting, and perhaps
some work to be done in the field, plans and
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made in the field.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
You cannot win a Test match or be competitive in
a Test if you've bout thirty five overs only in
your first innings and fifty four overs in your second
innings and combined that adds up to less than a
day's scheduled play for both your batting innings.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Okay, So you want to look at the Test series
and particularly the Second Test as we prepare for the
third Test in Hamilton, and Mike Gatting, former England Capitaal
will join us a little later on with his thoughts
on the series. But one of the things he talked
about was why do we prepare pictures like that for
England bowlers? Why not have spin friendly pictures? And the
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other one, of course was selections. Is that what it
gets back to the selections and the conditions. I don't
see anything wrong with the conditions. There are our conditions.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
As you say, you can't fight nature odds. This is
before Christmas. That's what we should be very accustomed to.
Unfortunately for New Zealand, as I said at the start
before they arrived, England are going to feel comfortable here
because it's very much like their conditions as well. We
have a seam based attack, they have a seam based attack.
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Their batsmen are comfortable facing a little bit more pace
and nipping around, So that's always going to be a
slight issue for us. The only conditions where we could
be confront slightly different would be Hamilton, which will turn
a bit more. How many spinners did England bring? Onds through?
(08:28):
Spinners they brought Yeah, they were ready for that. They
had thought this through, They had ran armored, they had
Jack Leach and they had Basher who they've been playing,
so they could play two if they wish in Hamilton
quite comfortably. If we decided to get the you know,
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you know, take all the grass off and try and
get it very very dry. Why are we trying to
bat this perhaps the same tempo as England? Are we?
Why are we not batting in the testinies and playing
our game? Why are we not letting the ball go?
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I just I don't understand things wads that I'm seeing.
We are losing each day, even before the game starts.
We are losing the warm ups as well. What do
you mean by that, Jerry, I mean they walk out
New Zealand after in England enjoy each other's company. I've
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seen that over the last Test match because I stayed
in the same hotel. They play a lot of golf.
We all know that, and who people who follow the
game will know that. They enjoy each other's company. But
on a when it's a Test day, they are in
the business. They get down to it. They walk. You
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saw them moose walking off early to from the Sophoatel,
which is a reasonable walk down to the base and reserve,
all going together down they go. They are out there
by the time I get there and I have to
do the picture reports. I'm there just after nine. They
are running through full. They've gone done their exercises. They
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are running off their full run both over the wicket,
then they go round the wicket. Then they have catchers.
They'd have catchers to right handers, then they change over
for left handers against Conway and against Latham and so on.
They go through their routines. New Zealand walk out late.
They have their hoodies on with their hands and their pockets.
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They run off five or six paces for five or
six deliveries. No catches that I see, not many. The
Batsmen do their thing elsewhere, that's fair enough. But England
clearly win the warmnuts. That's what I mean by us
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being lethargic and they're ready to go. We used to
love it in eighty six when we used to be
England every time, every day.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
The sad part of all this, of course, and I
agree you're right most is that we're talking negatives, aren't we.
There's very few positives we can take when we want
to be taking positives.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Isn't it hard to find them?
Speaker 4 (11:26):
When when you're faced with with.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
You know, really bad losses, and when where do you
draw the positives?
Speaker 4 (11:35):
And then look, there are some.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
But what I see in a in a in a
in this England team is a team where there really
does appear to be a lot of preparation, and you
don't you don't normally associate them. I don't associate that
with McCallum as being a sort of a real highly
prepared individual. But everything that I'm looking here going down
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to how he's changed his team or that team with
Stokes and key from you know, getting out the old guard,
your bear stoves and do it with dignity and refresh
the team. So we now have this team which is
ready for seeming conditions. As Jerry said, they brought out
three spinners. The way they prepare, they seem to have
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a plan around what they're doing, and that compares somewhat
back on New Zealand compares somewhat badly when you look
at them on the field of how they're going about
their their business. They just look at damn good side
and the way that they're setting up for their big
the big game next year.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
In the Ashes.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
They're setting up beautifully, aren't they with these new quick bowlers.
It looks really really encouraging. Now compare that to us,
I'm afraid we look a bit of a rebel.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
You mentioned selection earlier, which we didn't get onto and
obviously that's a big discussion coming up to this next
Test match. Look at what England had done. They removed Anderson,
they removed Bestow, they removed Olie Robinson, they removed folks
probably the best people done because it didn't fit what
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they wanted to do. That's some people would say that's brutal,
but it's very stark different from what New Zealand do.
There's no ramification about it at all.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Well, those selection issues that we talk about coming up
into the next Test match. By now we've got to
live with the fact that this World Test Championship is over.
It's time to look to the future rather than celebrate
the past. It's nice to celebrate the past, but always
the nice fluffy things that go around. And that's what
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Ben Stokes did with Joe Rudy wanted him to have
one hundred good on him. They were in control of
the game in New Zealand were playing catch up. New
Zealand have got a change and it's Devin Conway. But
it's a convenient change for the selectors. They don't have
to make a decision. He's going to be given time
off to spend time with his wife for the birth
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of their child and that that's fine, that's great, But
it saved them making a decision, hasn't it convenient?
Speaker 5 (14:14):
And frankly, I my my expectation was that Conway would
have been putting his hand up anyway. He looked a
beaten man, really sad. Because I'm a great admirer of
his uller and you know, and the talent's there, but
he really needs he needs a break, go and play,
and so this is convenience. Hard not to be a
(14:35):
bit skeptical or cynical about it, but the change need
needed to happen. I've got to say in the closing
interview with Latham, I was astonished when we when it
was just a given that that it'll be nice to
have you know, Tim in in the final match. There
was no discussion about about it. It was just a
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given that he was going to be playing when his
output has been modished at best. So this is what
you're faced with and you compare the to England. The
difference is in the Contrast's stark, isn't it? How I
look at it, I'm disappointed because more of the same,
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he's not going to get us there.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
It's a farewell tour. And while we like to contribute, Yeah,
while we'venowed like to acknowledge those players who have contributed,
that should not be the reason for selection. What other
changes do you see in terms of make up. It's
hard to tell a few days out from the Test match,
(15:44):
but clearly with Chapman coming into the squad, Young moves
in to the opening position, where I don't necessarily believe
he is an opener. But he'll pick it up and
run because he did in India where he was required
to bat.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
He'll do his best, course he will. It's a pity
that it's been five weeks in five days, I look
that up, since he's played red ball cricket. The selectors,
in their wisdom, let's face it, sent him to a
meaningless three games of ODI's over in Sri Lanka. I
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wonder for how many of us will remember that result
next year. And he now he's been sitting and watching
two Test matches after a major contribution in India. Don't
give him any red ball cricket. He had a chance.
He could have played the first plunket shield, couldn't he. Yes, yeah,
(16:45):
that's right. He could have been playing that. They don't
let him go away from the game because of if
a batsman gets hit in the head and has to
go off and can't play, so he's got to be
there watching means he can't play another plunket shield round.
So meanwhile, the opposition bowlers have got loads of confidence.
(17:09):
I don't know how to make it easy to bring
in another new batsman at Wadds. I think there should
be a change perhaps to the bowling. I would say,
who would you rather face wads sow the one twenty
six swinging the ball from the hand well O'Rourke with
the new ball.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Clearly, Sally, I'd not trying to face him, and you'll
get him because we're actually using O'Rourke and to a
lesser extent, Nathan Smith the new boy as punching bags.
They're being called in to do the hard yards at
the wrong time when you know O'Rourke should have the
(17:49):
first or second over with Henry, not the twelfth or
fifteenth over after the shine's been taken off at with
six as being hidden the first over.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
How they've gone about their their their methods, both in
the both in the manner in which they've managed their
balls and how they're battered has been bewildering. They've never
batted for time, you know, coming back, I'm not talking
about bowling, but but that shot of Revengers just before
lunch on the third day, when inga when it's raining,
(18:23):
and who put the message out there get through to lunch?
Were we having that conversation? Well, clearly not because he's
he's gone on the front foot and played a half
hearted shot next out just before lunch.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
That's that's just by the way.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
I wonder what the conversation was like when he got it,
when he got into the shed. Was there one my
expectations there should have been, but I don't think there
would have been.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
But also when I'm watching this and I'm looking at at.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
The potency or lack of when in the first over
of the match till Souther gets wafted over over long
off for sex in such a nonchalant manner.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
You just go, well, that was easy. Wow, That's all
I can say.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Wadds. I suppose the option to bring in terms of
the bowling to change is Santna, isn't it. Yeah? And
the expectation that any of these three surfaces will give
some It'll only be a little, but I think I
don't know, we haven't seen the pitch yet, but it
will give maybe some assistance and sympathy to the slower bowlers.
(19:33):
I don't think we can't expect Santner just because he's
come off thirteen wickets at Pune. It's not going to
be the same. He's going to be the one day
bowler that we know he is, which is excellent. He'll
use flight, but he's not going to get much turned.
We've just got to expect that he may provide a
(19:54):
few runs down as well. I don't know, but I
can't and that will leave New Zealand with three seemas.
Can we do one last thing because I'm getting sick
of the negative stuff because there's not much positive is there? Really?
Let's be honest, fellas. We can hunt for it, but
(20:16):
imagine a discussion. I want you both to imagine a
discussion that won't take place, but maybe it should between
Scott Weenick, CEO of New Zealand Cricket and the New
Zealand Cricket team itself and the consequences because there are
(20:40):
of losing in three and a bit days and two
and three quarter days, less days than the five less
crowd less money from gate takings being large crowds.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Moose your thoughts. This goes a long way because if
I'm a broadcaster, I've lost two and a half days
of advertising revenue. So therefore, when I can, I'm into
the conversations that I need to have at some point
when the broadcasting rights are being renewed next year. Well,
if I if I'm Scott weinbick, which I pity because
(21:17):
it becomes very very hard. What is what of my leverage?
What are my one of my arguments? What am I
What have I got to offer? When if I'm the
broadcast and I say, well, on average, you guys are
playing three days, I want five days. So what this
is doing is creating, I suspect, a hole in their forecasts,
the cash fow for forecasts which will not be filled,
(21:41):
and that has major kick on influence outcomes for the
future because where does the revenue come from? What funds
the game? The consequences are far reaching and it effects
that players coming up and through from the domestic game,
both on the on the women and the men's side.
(22:02):
It is we can trivialize this, but the consequence of
these two test matches when they came off a series
win against India, where all of a sudden they would
have been in a direct position to negotiate the rights
against India.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Who you want?
Speaker 5 (22:19):
That's gone away now? And so I if I'm Scott
and and his finance team, you know I'll be scratching
a head. Sadly, I don't suspect any of these points
around the consequences of what this happens in terms of
New Zealand cricket will have been covered or discussed. They
(22:42):
take their money, they move on without any consequence because
they're not going to be dropped.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And and yet.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
The commercial outcomes are really bad for New Zealand cricket.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Less money to pay the clay, less for development programs,
less money for the future. Knock on a fixed for
our future game.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Brian Waddell Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
One of the more enjoyable parts of the Test match
season is the return of England and the vast number
of supporters they bring. The Barmie Army is just one
group among a wide circle of passionate cricket followers enjoying
the experience of a trip down Under and adding to
our economy and the cricket economy. I had the pleasure
of meeting the Spectac group, led by none other than
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former England skipper Mike getting a regular visitor to our
shores with tours in the past. Not surprisingly, they've enjoyed
the two Tests, sitting in their marquee beside the vanstand
after the black Caps succumbed by three hundred and twenty
three runs. The wind was blowing violently but didn't stop
the mild celebrations they were having. As the postmatch presentation concluded,
(23:54):
I popped into Sea Yat, who told me, above the
noise of the boisterous celebration and the wind, his disappointment
at New Zealand's effort not really up to the performance
of a side that beat India three nil.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
No, they didn't.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
They did in India was just truly amazing to be
India on their own pitches, and the last Test match
was even more so astounding when the India chasing one
hundred and twenty odd didn't get those either. So it
was a fantastic upstanding force by New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
I did happen to say.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
To one of your people who asked me to do
a small interview before we started the Test series. I
sort of did say a little bit tongue in cheap,
are you not playing on the wrong wickets here? Why
aren't you playing on turning wickets? Because it is difficult
coming from somewhere like India where you're in a rhythm
of playing spin bowling and then to come back to
play on wickets like you.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
Produce lovely wicket.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
The hacker, well, it was a really good cricket wicket,
but it bounced.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Seeing them, you have to play differently, and.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
I sometimes wonder how much time they needed to a
clim because I remember going from India to Australia and
how different that was, and how did what it was
to actually acclimatize the different way of playing.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
These are our pictures, though, these are the pictures we
play on.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Don't think that they are.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
And we've played on We've played on wickets in England
which are a very similar to yours here, and yet
we had come back from India where we played on
all turning wickets and all five Test matches, and you do.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Get into a room of playing and then you.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
Do need to sort of get your feet moving in
different ways and you have a different mindset. The balls
never around your head, it's always sort of coming at
waist item spinners, and so I think I'm not trying
to make excuses here, but I have to say the
two wickets we've played on have been exceptionally helpful to
the seamers initially, and you dropped some catches in the
(25:41):
first Test match.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
Which was hugely important.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
It didn't help, but England you would have to say,
have been efficiently ruthless.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
Well, look that the guy, the guy that's been impressive
has been mister cass Atkinson's bold well and of course
are reliable wokes and we've actually fielded very well. And
I suppose you could say the differences that two of
our guys have got their got their heads one me
and mister Brook who said that inn he's here at
(26:11):
the Wellington Basin Reserve was the best he's played so
far and I think it was challenging. He came in
at Boudioca three and it was challenging and he actually
played it his way. Hugely talented, difficult wicket, a rook
bowling really well, Henry bowling well and here he managed
(26:31):
to get through.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Is he finished article of brokers?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
He work in pragnss still.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Do you know? I don't know.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
I mean we've watched him and it's been amazing how
he seems to have a bit like David Gower, just
acclimatized test screen straight away.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
He doesn't seem to have been phased by it. He's
paid in some extraordinary.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
Shots at extraordinary times, like just running down the wicking
and smashing something over mid off. I mean that was
never in my copybook or coaching manual, but here they are.
And it must be very difficult for captain zam bowlers
to try and adapt to having the thing back of
your mind that somebody might be charging down that we
get ball into the maybe five miles an hour, get
(27:12):
somebody's in a charge town, or we get them, try
and wake you back over there, and actually if you
bowl it's somewhere there.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
He's likely if you back over your head from a
standing position too. To plan differently, just the words as
sad as it is.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Being a Wellingtonian, I had to acknowledge the ever present
hurricane like wind as the tour group contemplated two days
sightseeing before hitting north and I got the tour leader
on the spot. If you were to be the black
Caps coach, what changes would you want to make? And
this was before changes that were made.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
Well, I would certainly consider seeing if they can get
the hair dryer on the hammeleg and pitch and make
it turn a bit, but I would certainly have to
look at you know, Conway has been struggling a bit
for a little while now, and you know, your player
of the series from from India has not even been
sort of seen. So regisent does he open? I'm not
(28:05):
sure he did have a He did have a go
and didn't act to do so well.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
But there is a spot. It isn't going to be
Came Williamson's.
Speaker 8 (28:12):
It isn't going to be anybody just further down, and
so it's going to be open spot.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
Let's be fair.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
And so if he's keen to do that, I'm sure
he wants to play for new Eland, he'll do it.
I'm batting at three and one is only one ball anyway.
If you get something anisode, you know, I don't know
quite what the sort of thought about it is, but
I would say that if it is going to turn
where we see somebody like Sandner actually being thought about
because it hasn't quite worked for you in the way
(28:39):
that you wanted to do.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
With green bouncy wickets, Yep, it's.
Speaker 8 (28:42):
Never going to be green and bouncy at Hamilton. I
don't think it was never that sort of pitchure I played,
and that was.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
A long time ago.
Speaker 8 (28:49):
So if it's going to turn, then they've got a
choice to make either Smith or Southeast fair point.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
It's going to require some change and we will know
that soon enough. I also suggested to Get that there's
not so much a skill and ability issue, but mindset
and application we could keep it. Tom Blundell produced at
entertaining hundred to no well, of course, but it displayed
a bit of the old keiw ticket.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
It was a very positive approach to the game on
a wicket that it's got better, a little bit of
pace in it. Didn't turn very much, but there was
some pace in there and he played positively and to
me it was a fabulous knock. I mean, I enjoyed
watching it amid the sort of bits and pieces that
were going on around it. And you know, some of
(29:36):
the plays like that, it's sometimes very hard to pull that,
even as good a bowl as you are.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
It is, you know, the different fields.
Speaker 8 (29:44):
There were not too many slips or whatever, but No
Bundle played a very very fine innings.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
England, of course, are preparing themselves for other Tish met series,
but they're basically preparing themselves for the eshes.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
The ashes down Under.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Is this society can beat us draining.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
I honestly think there's a there's another for the series
at home first that we really get through.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
But I mean, and it's going to be a tough.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
One against India and so we will see some guys
playing some very difficult bowlers to place, you.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Know, Sarah, and we've got Boomerah and there.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
Some decent spinners to cope with, and therefore it's going
to be a bit more of an education for them.
As I say, they've handled it so well so far.
And if if Bethel does come of age, so I
have a sort of a Bethel Roote and Brook that's
going to be brutal for Southerber team going to have
the bowl at them, and you know with Stokes as
(30:40):
well there So yes, I think we're in a in
a for once, we're in a bit of a one.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
In a place where you think, yes, we can take
us on down. And just slight world of caution if either.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Zach Brawley or or Duckett gets in and I don't
see anybody putting their hand up in the youth play
at the moment, So cautionary word on the On the
bowling side though, looks like Josh Archer is keen to play.
Wood will be there for selection when Matthew Potts, who
bowled really well in his last couple of matches he played,
(31:14):
you know, hasn't got in here yet either.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
So Potts ISTONELI.
Speaker 8 (31:17):
Stone, Yeah, we have.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
We have some cover, some seriously good cover.
Speaker 8 (31:23):
And you know, with the pace of Wooden Archer to
add good what we have here, you've got to say
that we're in a reasonably good position compared to where
the Aussies are at the moment. So the askh I
read the other day about the U versus experience is
going to be an interesting instance.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Your life has been cricket.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
You came as a young players in New Zealand nineteen
seventy eight as part of Jeffrey Boybutch's team. You played
dis matches. That was your sort of baboo era seventy
seventy seven eight, and you've been in cricket since then
in various forms. You have with a tour party, a
lovely bunch of people I had the good fortune to meet.
Can you like that sort of life top.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
I enjoy at the moment.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
There will be a time where you just say no,
you can't, because I have to, And I love watching how.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
People sort of mature and just sitting at Test match
thing what I be doing or you know all, what's
that going to happen? And I just it is fun.
Speaker 8 (32:18):
I never used to like watching cricket Test cricket when
I was batting, I'd just sit quietly and wait to
go in.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
But I love watching for it.
Speaker 8 (32:26):
And just talking cricket because there's so much going on
in the world of a moment, Brian, in the fact
that we're in a very interesting stage and it could
go one way or the other. But I think we've
slightly turned the tide on the shall we get rid
of Test cricket one? So I think we might have
just done that, but we still got to just do
a few things to make sure that we keep the
(32:47):
Test cricket going, because that is a must. Yes, the
IPL is fantastic, that's all good, and it's great for
the game.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
It brings the money in.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
But if you can't do without these wonderful guys like
Hayman and like groups like rut who are going to
go and play IPL at some stage and it keeps
the quality of the competition something.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Like the IPOL very high. With our Test cricket, he
won't get those great players to sell to the ball clubs.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Exactly on the front foot with Waddle and Cody.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
We have a.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
First eleven of a Hall of Fame first eleven given
to you quickly, but suck with John Reid, Glenn Turner,
Richard Hadley, Martin Crowe, Daniel Vittori, Brendan McCallum, Jackie Lord,
Trish McKelvey, and Debbie Hockley, along with Emily drum eleven
chosen any of those challengeable. I have one name that
(33:43):
I would consider, but stats probably go against Stewey Dempster.
You to be coached by Steey Dempster at the base
from reserve many many many years ago, Jerry, I don't
know whether you were there. Peter Holland and he used
to run a net at the basin, but his statistical
record reads well, but he only played ten test matches.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
I certainly did have some contact with Stuey Dempster, not
at the basin Rods I was a little older, but
all the Evan Gray kind of era and Rob Burt Varnce,
those sort of people did Boots Edgar, but I went
round to his house. He and he had a little
sort of lawn up above his sitting room as he
(34:25):
looked up a little concrete wall and then his lawn.
And I used to play shots up there, and he
used to watch me from indies and then I'd go
down and he'd give me a few little notes. Yeah,
Stewie Dempster would be you know, and people who've gone
to the base and know that that's there, the name
of the gates at the southern end of the ground. Yes,
you're write ten tests averaging sixty five. But he's played
(34:47):
first class games one hundred and eighty four twelve thousand
and one hundred or whatever, runs at average forty five
thirty five hundred and fifty five fifties. Best average in
nineteen twenty seven, which was our first tour to England.
Best average of the lot New Zealand. The second test,
if you remember they've ever had nineteen thirty at the
(35:09):
base in reserve when Jack Mills and Stewie Dempster I
had that big partnership. If you walk around the base
in Reserve and promenade there, you'll find a little disk
in the ground commemorating that partnership. He got one hundred
and thirty six and then an eighty not out in
the second innings nineteen thirty one he got one hundred
(35:29):
and twenty at Lord's average fifty nine. On the tour.
He was captain in nineteen thirty one thirty two against
South Africa and also against England in thirty two thirty three.
So he really While he did settle in England and
played for a guy called Sir Julian Kahn, they came
out to New Zealand as well. Yeah, sort of a
(35:51):
team that he took around. He was a furniture magnate,
made heaps of money, played for Leicester over in England.
He ran the store there as well for Sir Julian Kahn.
But you know he's he's certainly to me could have.
He was in the top six bats in the world
at that time, great fielder, closure, fine player of slow bowling.
(36:16):
I think I think certainly he could have been part
of that group.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Anybody you see most because I mean you can't argue
with the names that are there. They are basically men
and women. The Hall of Fame of his Young.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Cricket, well that's true.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
I mean there's one that I would I'd also added
as Martin Donnelly. You know, because of the time, how
many tests we played the intervention of the Second World War.
He only he played seven tests, only seven tests, high
score of two hundred and six five hundred and eighty
two runs an average of fifty two. But his first
(36:55):
class at games one hundred and thirty one. He was
he was, He was a cap at Oxford University. He
averaged forty seven over overall overall US as is Korea
one hundred and twenty three. This was a genuinely classy player,
a great player, but intervene because of the Second World War,
(37:19):
the first England Tour when he was nineteen. Therefore a
lot of what he could have been was cut short.
So he would be one other that I would throw
in there. I mean, those are pretty phenomenal results. And
remember these sort of results or outcomes or statistics covered
uncovered wickets, I say in England. You know that that
(37:41):
adds a whole different dimension when you look at those
those statistics. That's special for Donaldy and Dempster, very special
to me. They must haves and hopefully there's a second
round other than that. I'm not so sure. One hundred percent.
Sutcliffe Red then turn it, you know, no question, but
(38:08):
these two special players need some consideration.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yeah, I would just throw in Jack Cowie as well.
Don't want to go about his figures and things once
because I know a short of time. But Jack Cowie
is another name. People are interested to have a look
see how he went Bull Cowie.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, indeed, And I certainly don't argue with the list
that's been put up. Our good friend Francis Payne has
done the statistical work around this, and you wouldn't ever
want to argue with Francis pain He is meticulous in
his stats and I think that he would have probably
had the supporting role and the numbers that are there.
I'm just wondering five years after he retires, whenever that is,
(38:47):
Cain Williamson will be a certainty. Do they have a
zeal Hall of Fame twelve or fourteen or sixteen or
does somebody drop off the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 3 (38:58):
I don't know, mate. Don't they just keep it adding
to it?
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Do you add to it?
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah, you just keep going twenty three, twenty four, whatever,
just keep adding to it.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
We've had a couple of emails.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I just mention a bit of one of them, and
it's come from Pack basically saying that the test at
the basis Roove has just finished and really, when we
examine the stats, the performance of the New Zealand side
comes as no surprise at all, as you were saying,
and Pat has put down some stats for the team,
(39:33):
and basically his line was apart from young, no one
was carrying any form to speak into this current series.
And yet he didn't play man for man. Everyone on
the New Zealand side was outplayed by their English opponent.
And Steve comes in and he basically talks about the
overs allotment.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
For what it's worth.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
The expectation that ninety overs a day is laudable may
now no longer be possible. There are simply too many
breaks in the day's play to achieve that ideal. Umpire decisions,
decision reviews, the number of times the ball goes to
the boundary and it gets close to touching the boundary rope,
(40:14):
the waste of time doing that. But it was basically
poor old Steve saying sorry for the wonge, loving the
cricket and I'm a long time listener, so stay with us.
Steve will love hearing from you and we look forward
to hearing from you again. Thanks very much for your comments.
This morning, guys, look forward to the testaments. Jerry, you're
(40:36):
wending your way slowly up the country. Mercy, you're going
to Hamilton.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
No, no, no, no, there's only so much that I
want to put myself through. I'm retreating to quietly to
the trenches and moses losing weight every Test.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
It's extraordin.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Only getting three day lunches rather than five. Yeah, well
the same here.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Yes, exactly what New Zealand had got to do was
is avoid being the third to lose three nil in
a home series that we've had. We've had thirty eight
three Test series in New Zealand. We've lost two of
only two of those three nil, once against Ozzie ninety
nine two thousand and once against England nineteen sixty two
(41:28):
sixty three. We don't want to add We don't want
to add another one. No, we don't. Thanks very rash, guys.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Let's hope we can talk positively next week about the
Black Cap side. I'm a little bit reticent to predict
them for a win, but you know I've made some
silly pronouncements in the past. Should I pick them for a.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
Win, I'd like a half brought drawer would be quite good.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
I'd like to find get to the fifth days exactly
what we want for.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Christmas is a five day test that.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
I've had that before, haven't we win? Thanks guys, welcome.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
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