March 3, 2025 • 40 mins
This week on On The Front Foot, Bryan Waddle and Jeremy Coney review the first round of the Champions Trophy, and rate the Black Caps’ chances in the semi-final against South Africa.
They’re joined Garth Gallaway as well as Rachin Ravindra who offer up their thoughts.
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Hello on the Front Foot Back review its semi final
time at the Champions Trophy. Despite the loss to India,
another ICCs title still beckons some positive signs from the
loss in Dubai if we get back there. How important
will spinbe? Thevendor is sparkling for at ICC events explains
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why he had to come in through the winning side.
Should England have listened to the politicians and boycott at
the Afghanistan match probably would have produced the same outcome
and early flight home and in other sporting action. I
love the format of the Champions Trophy, but the ICC
is that the International Cricket Conference or is it the
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Indian Cricket Club have damaged the brand by allowing India
to dictate venue terms. Didn't the same thing happen in
the World Cup in the Caribbean, and there are new
names to the poor and the White Frians team chosen
on form and in home conditions. Should contracts require top
players to be available for series at home, the captain
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in waiting, Amelia care is needed to play for the
White Friends as much as I'm playing ipl We don't
deny that, but hey, that's the current state of the game.
I suppose Jeremy Coney, you'd been watching the match in Dubai.
A loss, but some positive stuff, you know. I still
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think he's held the playing pretty good cricket, aren't they.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah? Today he was hello run Yeah. I suppose New
zeal will be a bit disappointed with the batting effort,
won't they. I don't think they can be too disappointed
with their bowling effort and their support in the field.
I thought Henry seen the ball early on in the
power play Jamison got it to swing away, which meant
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that rot Shama couldn't hit him and attack him and
was dismissed. I thought sat in the bold a decent
line as he has done right throughout this tournament and
changing his pace, and he hasn't been easy. He got
a bit of turn as well. I thought that brace
Will probably wasn't his his best game. I think that
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it would be fair to say Revendra Bold six overs
for thirty and did the job as well. I don't
know what you thought was but I thought maybe Jameson
could have bowled his ten. Whether they were holding him
back because of his back or I don't know, but
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I thought he could because he bowled six in the
first spell and two in the forty to fifty. I
thought in the middle he could have had a couple
of overs there. I don't know, because he was going
quite nicely.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, I think they've been professional, they've been organized, and
they've done an excellent job. But what about someone else's view,
Gath Galloway joined us once again. He's probably been hiding
away on holiday somewhere, Gath, keeping up to date with
the cricket, of course. But your impression of what you've seen,
not only in the game against India but in general
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the one day form of the black Caps.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I think they've been really good. Just echoing what Jerry
said and what you've said. I've enjoyed watching them. I think,
you know, it does show the advantage doesn't it of
a decent warm up, and you know, they had that
tryst series with Pakistan and South Africa, played well, went
into the tournament, I think, feeling confident in their game,
with a couple of selection dilemmas and I think they'd
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managed those and negotiated them well.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Again, New Zealand's fielding at home I thought was a
bit lackluster times during our season, but they've fielded well
in the tournament, some brilliant I mean, I don't know
if you saw the catches. I'm sure you did, but
again Phillip's taking a brilliant catch to get rid of
Cooley and then Kane Williamson of course taking a couple
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of catches as well, so they've set the standard. I
think Latham to focus on another area. I think his
keeping has been pretty good over there, and you know,
when you're playing three spinners, that's another vital part of
the game, and I feel that Latham has contributed with
his gloves pretty well, and obviously batting wise, New Zealand
have had some highlights and most of the players have contributed.
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I guess the other thing to think to reflect on
WADS is the captaincy of Santa, which I think has
been pretty good.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, I think we've mentioned that as well. Throughout the tournament,
it's been outstanding. You talk about that fielding, it is
something we have criticized the Jerias in the past because
it's been untidy. The catching hasn't been the best. We
just remember back to the number of catches or the
number of times Harry Brook was dropped. But how many
runs are those catches that Phillips takes and seems to
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be able to do it at will, the left handed
one in the Pakistan game, and then to get rid
of Coley. Coley was just believing, wasn't he Yell?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
He hit that pretty hard, Brian, didn't he really? I
suppose if I was to compare the two, because it
was a left handed one, the first one against Pakistan,
I would have said that might be slightly better. In
other words, it's not as strong hand, but they're both very,
very good catches. It's the sort of thing. The first
thing I would say is that he's obviously alert in
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the fields. It's a key position. And if a bowler
like Raurck is bowling who tends to just be a
little bit on the short side and if he's outside
of stump, that backward point position becomes very important. He's
obviously expecting something. A catch does not surprise him. He
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is awake, alert and ready to go. And you need
to be that as a fieldsman. You need to expect
to catch every ball. It shouldn't surprise you. And certainly
that doesn't.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, we've been critical of some of the fielding, but
it just shows the value of quality fielding guard doesn't
it that? You know, it lifts the team in other
areas and it just shows that New Zealand can't be trifled.
Would they are up there and still got a chance
of winning this champions trophy?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah they have.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
And then if you look at contrasting fortunes and think
about the fielding, I think England's fielding has been very
poor once you know, they dropped a number of catchers,
a number of miss fields in the inner circle, some
poor boundary fielding and that's really gone along with their
fortunes in the tournament. You know, the sides, I think
the best four sides are throw in India, New Zealand,
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South Africa and Australia. I don't think there's any doubt
about that and all of those sides are good fielding sides,
and New Zealand are the equal, if not the better,
of all of them. I think on their day with.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
The fielding, Yeah, and the Black Aps have got players
in form. Everyone has provided something at some time for them.
They needed to string it together in semi final and
final situations.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Jerry Well, they certainly have been able to get to
positions and games against Bangladesh and obviously in that sort
of try series prior to and also Pakistan where they
put Shillips in a position just before the fortieth over
he could get himself in and then he would cause
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a great deal of damage. They couldn't quite do that
in these conditions. You know, against India the surface was
very different from Pakistan, and I think really you know,
they asked that. They asked Williamson to just do too much.
He needed two guys to just get thirties or forties
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around him and then that could have been New Zealand
through to a victory in that game. But that shows
you how different this venue is New Zealand. I don't
think it'll affect them greatly. I hope it doesn't. They'll
just park. I think the things that they will have
learned from that game, and if they happen to go
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back there in the final, if that's the case, then
I think, you know, they'll be able to look at
all the things that they've learned there. So you know,
I think spin, for example, only got two through one
hundred and twenty from the twenty five overs they bowled,
and the pace seven for one hundred and twenty, so
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and in spinning conditions, we really needed to do a
little better through the middle, and that's where I thought
Jameson could have come in and broken that up a weaver. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Interesting. The other situation from the New Zealand point of viewers,
would they have had in mind who they wanted to
play in the semifinal or does that not come into
your calculations. I mean, they know they were in the semifinal,
South Africa or Australia. Does it really matter when you
get to this stage of the tournament.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Well, for me, I think you want to play South Africa.
I mean I think that would have been their preference.
That's not to suggest for a moment that they through
the game to ensure that that could happen.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
But.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
Yeah, I just I feel we'll see.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I just feel that South Africa or aside who as
we know, they've won this champions Trophy once, they haven't
won anything else and they don't have a good reputation
when it comes to tournaments semi finals and finals, so
I think and Australia of course, are the absolute opposite
of that. So I think I don't think they would
never go into the game thinking this is our preference
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and it's going to dictate our play. But I don't
think they'll be unhappy at all with the way things
are panning out.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I think South Africa having said that, and I think
their fair points guard mates, I don't think it'll be
an easy game. Lahore has been of the three Pakistan
venues a bit of a run fest, I mean three
thirty plus and I'm looking at the two sides. I
just sense that South Africa have got a bit more
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power hitting on a very flat pitch, and you know
with players like Class and particularly and Miller, and then
they've got batting with would say Markram LeVander, Dusten and
Rickleton the opener, So whether they all play, They've had
some illness in that group, haven't they. So I think
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there's a bit of danger to their batting, particularly with
our death bowling. We'll obviously want to pick up wickets
through the innings, but you know, they're probably as far
as their bowling is concerned, they'll go for their quicks. Rabada,
Marco Jansson and Ingidi. Perhaps Molder has been bowling through
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the middle, and maybe Maharaje. They might pick CHALMSY don't know.
Maharaje is an underrated spinner. I think the ground at
Lahorse and they've played there already South Africa, they could
be a dangerous site, but it's a better chance for
New Zealand than playing, you know, in Dubai. I don't
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know why they've done them. I mean, well we know
why they're down there in Dubai, but why didn't they
share that around. Why didn't they put them at Charger
for another game. Why didn't they put them at Abul
Danby for another game and change the venues down there
in the UAE.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I quite agree, I can't understand the reasoning. I know
why it's done. It's done for money and political purposes. Basically,
I'd go back to what happened in the two thousand
and three World Cup and they forfeit games if they
didn't want to go and play in Pakistan. But they're
never going to do that. But India have the situation
They've got themselves insconsin a hotel, feed up, swimming pool,
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you know, a few Gin and Tonics or a beer
where they want to They don't have to worry about
getting a plane to Lahore and then back to Dubai.
You know, New Zealand finish a game against India, they
have to get on the flight to go to Lahore
and they you know, they're the ones that are having
to do the hard yards. It's making it too easy
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for India and they are benefiting from it, being able
to play in conditions that suit their team. Yeah, they are.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
And I think you go to put it to a
position where, you know, India. Everyone used to love watching
India play. I mean I still do. I think their
players are very attractive cricketers. Their batsmen are beautiful to
watch by and large. They have some real power through
their batting lineup as well, and they have terrific spinners
and we saw that against New Zealand last night as
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well as you know Pandea and Chami and co with
you know, they've got some good pace as well. But
I feel that you you know, that they're the side
used to love seeing doing well against Australia and England.
They always felt like a bit of an underdog, and
now I just feel that the mood's changed a bit
and these sorts of things don't help, you know. They
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there's an entitlement and an arrogance to the organization, and
you know, a tournament should should not be run on
the basis that it's not fair, it's not even and
I think for many people, you know, they'll be hoping
like anything that India get beaten in the semi finals.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I'm sure that's part of the feeling from a lot
of people's point of view. But New Zealand has to
decide what sort of team they want in Lahore and
hopefully what sort of team they're going to need and
do by if they get back there, if India through
to the final. Otherwise of course they remain in Lahore.
In our last edition, we question who should be dropped
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to allow for Revendra's reselection Illness to Mitchell answered that question.
Vendra's habit of scoring hundreds at ICC tournaments was added
to He's got four now despite the frustrations of being
out with that freak injury. When he got back, he
hit the ground running, running hot.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
Yeah, for sure, thank you very much. Definitely.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
I guess whenever you come back from a well notice
the injury, a freak accident, you want to contrary to
the team again. And you know, obviously the team's been
going so well, so you don't want to ruin momentum
or change the team. So it was nice to come
out there and put on a decent performance and help
the team, you know, book a semi final spot.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
It's hard to get a place in the top or
at the moment, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Yeah, but that's that's the beauty of it. You know,
we we've got. I think the depth that we have
in our current team is amazing. I don't think many
times we've seen a New Zealand team quite like it.
So it's cool to be involved in an amazing period
for New Zealand cricket and hopefully we can keep developing
each other together and keep driving each other to contribute.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah. I haven't seen anything about the injury you sustained.
How did it impact themselves? I know sort of in
the in the forehead you were What was the feeling
like after you got hit?
Speaker 7 (15:49):
Yeah, it was. It was interesting.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
I guess you could still see the remnants of the
scar there, still healing and a wee bit, but to
be honest, it all kept happening quite quickly a little
bit of the days. I guess the ball sort of
into the lights and didn't leave the lights, And I'm very,
very fortunate that it hit me where it did. Any
any lower, I think it would have been a really
real problem. Probably looked a lot worse than what it was,
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just with the amount of blood and stuff on the field.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
But luckily enough had a couple of.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Stitches and docks that stitching me up at the ground,
so that was good, and been able to recover well.
I guess the whole thing about concussion is the return
to play protocol and when you can play again enough
to getting headaches and stuff. But I was lucky enough
to come through that okay and be able to play
that second game.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Can you give us an assessment of the conditions, the
pitch conditions as such? Were they as you expected? I
know you've had a bit of experience in that part
of the world anyway, in recent times and in Dubai
as well. Are they as you expected?
Speaker 7 (16:44):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
I think the wickets tend to be a little bit
lower here and a bit skiddy lucky enough. Like you said,
we've played a lot of Cracker here in the recent
past and we've got a lot of experience to lean
on with that stuff.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
So yeah, they've been quite up to expectation.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
But also it's that adaption piece, right, We've had a
home someone in New Zealand we played white Wall Cracker
on bouncy of wickets that do a little bit more
with the new ball where is here, the more challenges
spin through the middle and stuff. So really tests our
game on how we can adapt to what's in front
of us, which is exciting Banchester for it. Get to
play in all these different environments, especially during a World tournament,
tested stuff with that stuff, So yeah, I think so.
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And the scouting and the comms from the coaches have
been great and I think that's probably a reason why
we've done reasonably well so far.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
You like this format of the tournament. That's pretty quick fire,
isn't it.
Speaker 7 (17:31):
Yeah. I think it's quite cool. I enjoy the knockout
type aspect.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
Of it means there's no real room to have an
off day or anything like that. But that's what sort
of excites you about cricket like that, because a couple
of mistakes and then all of a sudden you're under
the pump. And I think it's it's cool for the
fans too, knowing this this is the way it is,
and you want your team to do so well and
you know if you lose one, it's a big problem.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
But it's cool format nice like short and sharp.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, desides having success. So I guess there's confidence there.
I guess you've also got to remain grounded as the
tournament goes through, don't.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
You for sure.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
I mean that's also the key way, right we be
our feeder and play with respect and obviously that the
confidence in our group and our ability and the trust
in ourselves. But at the end of the day, it's
just executing our skills ball after ball and not trying
to get too far ahead of ourselves.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
We all know we're playing good cricket, but that's because
of the.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Work that we've done and the lead up, and we
don't necessarily have to change things and hopefully we can
just adapt on the day and see where that takes
us Jerry.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
He's a significant player in the New Zealand side. Revender.
You know, there was no argument about him coming back in.
They have been able to use him, but you see
a sort of changing of his use within the side.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I just wondered watching last night Brian, if Revendra we
would regard him maybe as one of our better players
that's slow and spin bowling, and I think that's probably
right that he's able to take a delivery landing in
the same place and perhaps are too different parts of
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the field which makes it difficult for the fielding captain
to set a field. And I just wondered whether we
are putting him in just a little early in those
spinning conditions. I'm not suggesting we take him out of
opening perhaps against South Africa. I just thought that also
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Mitchell looked a little bit lost against Varren CHAKRAVARTI not
that he was the only one to be like that,
but I just think let's use our best players in
the best time. We don't want Ravendra being removed, you know,
in those first ten overs if it can be helped,
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and I just feel maybe it might offer something. I
don't like changing batting orders very much. I don't like
changing teams that much once you get to these very
quick tournaments. So but that was just one thing in
the back of my mind that seemed to make a
bit of sense. Now, whether that means that they opened
with Conway or whether they put maybe even Mitchell up there.
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He's opened, remember he opened down at the UAE and
the T twenties didn't he So I think I think
it is. It is a possible one, as long as
they prepare people for it, and it doesn't seem to
upset obviously a wound upset Ravendra, I wouldn't think, because
he's used to batting it for as well.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Yeah, I think the I mean for me, I suppose
that what they will do and what we might do
Jerry are two different things, and not totally and I
think that they are. They're obviously playing well, but they
are an organization I think who have been crippled by
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conservatism and so for that reason, you know, I don't
see them taking risks in a semi final in the
Champions Trophy. And I think, you know the way that
Stephen Coo think is well putting the Indian game to
one side, and it wasn't a terrible performance by New
Zealand in that game against a very good side. Putting
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that to one side, I think they'll just think, look,
we'll stick with what we know. I suppose the question,
as you say, is whether Conway comes in for Young
or Avenger. I don't think they'll make a change. I
think they have to have to stick with the same
eleven and I think that's what they'll do.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Indeed, it's just a matter of making better use to
a certain extent of Revender. Here's a stroke player, isn't he.
And we saw in the game against India in Dubai
that it was very hard to be playing the ball
freely early on. You had to spend a bit of
time getting in. That's what Aya and a supperatel Ac Sapatel,
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you know, that's what they did. They spend a fair
bit of time getting settled, didn't they They did.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I mean I think that if you watch. I mean,
I think Jerry and I have talked about this many
times with you once how and Jerry's absolutely right talking
about how Williamson, you know, And it's in all forms
of the game when a wicket falls early, he's under pressure.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
And I think we saw it.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
It's a classic example in this game against India last
night where he scored eighty one off one hundred and
twenty bulls. People will say that he was too slow,
but they'd lost Mitchell and Ravendra and then Young for
twenty two, so it was not you know, he has
to be the builder and no one does it better
than he does at three. But somehow they've got to
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get away to a better start where he's not coming
in and you know, ideally in the first ten overs
or so. The other thing I thought with the New
Zealand batters in Dubai was that I just felt they
were a bit too creaspound against the Indian spinners. I know,
we saw Williamson getting stumped when he came down the
pitch to Axa Pattel, but that was late in the innings.
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You know, there were a lot there were what one
two four LB's in the middle order for New Zealand
with the batters being pretty creasbound to the Indian spinners,
and I just think at times they're going to have
to with the low bounce so on, particularly in Dubai.
I'd like to see them using their feet and trying
to change things up a bit more and getting to
the ball.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yep, Well, we've got to get to Dubai first of all,
though it is Lahore and I think we're unanimous that
New Zealand is capable of beating South Africa, but we
know how tough they are going to be. We've got
to try and play on the fact that they struggle
when it comes to these kinds of games South Africa,
don't they. They don't win too many tournaments when they
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get past the round robin stage.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Both teams have probably been playing effectively. South Africa haven't
played too many games, have they. They've got it rained
off at one stage and they beat England very very convincingly. Aside.
I mean, England at the moment really can't work out
the fifty over format for some reason, and it seems
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to me they need to know the value of a wicket.
The longer the game is in the duration of a game,
the more important the wicket becomes. They throw theirs away,
willy nilly, and so you know, South Africa. South Africa,
if they have a good day, will push us. But
we are an effective side and we must find a
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way to put them under pressure so they feel they
feel as if they have to do something special to
beat us now, whether that's with the bat, and we
get three hundred and fifty which will force them to
pray freely, and if we can pick up some wickets
then and keep pinning them back, pinning them back, especially
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those big hitters, and we stop the Vanderdussen's and the
Markroms and the Rickletons getting a good start and carrying
on and the others can join them. So we've got
a really it's going to be a very interesting match,
I think. But they've really probably don't only going to
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have one spinner, so the spinners shouldn't worry. It's going
to be a very different surface. I think just things
return as they were before. And I think that New
Zealanders they play strongly and effectively as we know they can.
They hold their catches where them with the chants.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yep, I can't agree more. And I think I mean
the thing with South Africa, like so many sides, I
think with their background and always having in the back
of their mind their tournament record in the last twenty
five thirty years or so, I think you've got to
get them under a little bit of pressure early on
and if you can get them under pressure early on,
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then I think that will play to New Zealand's advantage.
They're dangerous, as Jerry says, Reckleton and vander Dusson both
in the leading run scorers in the tournament and both
scoring at a fair old clip, you know, around one
hundred strike rate and one hundred and twenty for vander Dusson.
That's very good in the fifty over games. So they're
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dangerous players. And then I think, you know, we look
at their attack and we know about Jansen, Ravada and
Gidi and Maharaj. As you say, Jerry is a very
underrated spinner, a top class performer. So they're a good side.
Get them under pressure early is I'm sure what New
Zealand will be trying to do and take the game
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away from them.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, well they haven't been gas, have they. They played
Afghanistan first, which is quite useful for them, yep, before
Afghanistan could get into the tournament. Then they and they
sup them really and then they did exactly the same
to England and then they played half a game against
Australia and Australia were actually quite well ahead of South Africa,
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but then it rained so they haven't really been under
pressure too much, and that's what our job will be,
whether it's the bowler or whether it's the batting.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
I agree, and I think the one thing South Africa's
advantage of those three games that you mentioned, Jerry, I
thought that their performance against England was emphatic chasing runs
and they did it very well, playing with the sort
of freedom that we haven't seen South Africa playing with
at the time. So like you both, I think it
should be a fantastic game very much.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
They were under no pressure against England, were they.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
They still had to win it because I suppose it
was the offside chance that Afghanistan could have beaten Australia,
but very unlikely.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, that was always a possibility post Bortum on the
semi final, in the final and an ex edition of
on the.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Front Foot Brian Waddle Jeremy Coney on the Front Foot.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
One of the issues that cricket is going to have
to face, particularly in New Zealand in the near future
and is causing a few issues at the moment. I've
heard from unnamed players who I can't reveal that there
are contract issues with New Zealand Cricket that New Zealand
Cricket of the Players Association in the process of arranging
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some mediation over issues. Mediation means solicitors and lawyers garth,
which means money and you know, yeah, you don't get
to that stage without some major issue. I hope it's
not putting in you to a difficult situation whether you're
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handling contracts for any of the players. But it is
a worry and it's brought to mind that Amelia cur
is not available for the series against Sri Lanka Whent.
To my mind, she is the captain and waiting. She's
New Zealand women's best player and yet she's off playing
the women's IPL Yet she has a contract with New
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Zealand Cricket. Is that right?
Speaker 4 (28:57):
No, it's not. I mean, but again, I think it's
going to be the risk for an organization like New
Zealand Cricket as we know is that And I'm sure
Amelia Ker loves playing for New Zealand. I agree with
you that she's the captain in waiting. I suppose the
riskers that they if they can't find a way to
have some form of compromise, then the choice becomes one
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of income and I'm afraid I don't think New Zealand's
going to win that battle with the sort of money
that some of the players can make around the world.
That's a difficulty with it.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
You know.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
I think New Zealand struggled to handle the Bolt situation
particularly well. You know, they brought him back occasionally when
they wanted him, but I felt that it didn't It
didn't work either way. It didn't feel good, useful fear,
and of course the players who are in waiting and
watching those players not playing for New Zealand being brought back.
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It causes an awful lot of issues. So I'm no,
I'm not privy to any of those negotiations, but it's
a difficult road to walk down and the balance is
not easy.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Garth, did you say that a Melia Occurre does not
have a contract with New Zealand Cricket.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
She does have, Yes, she does.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Now what I said is that, you know, eventually, if
you can't reach a compromise, then players have to make
a choice based on money. That's the risk.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
That's right. I would have sought after the women were
with an equity pay situation as the men, that there
would still be casual contracts as such as there are
for the men. It's quite early for a Meliaccur to
be doing that. Maybe what is she twenty six or
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something like that.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yep, pretty much around there.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
But yeah, I would have sought that she you know,
she will naturally, as Gas says, go for the cash,
and she might use the excuse or as a reason.
I'm playing a slightly higher level of cricket and therefore
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this is good for me to develop my game, so
when I do come back, I'll be, you know know
better for New Zealand. I mean, that might well be
along with the you know, wanting to go and play
over there and get some money some of the reasons.
But I don't think New Zealand Cricket can really allow that,
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can they. She's signed a contract to be available to
play for New Zealand and their longest games are fifty
over matches, and that's what they're playing, aren't they. Aren't
they playing fifty over matches either against Sri Lanka or yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
So both.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
I would have I mean, that's the equivalent of the
Test match for them. I would have thought she should
be available. Otherwise you don't get you you've broken your
contract Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
It's an interesting scenario that, as Garth mentioned and Jerry's
mentioned also, that New Zealand Cricket is going to have
to face over a period of time. And I understand
through my sources that these issues are coming to the
four because I think the master agreement between the Players
Association and New Zealand Cricket is up for decision next year,
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so that will be something interesting to look at. Finally,
this week, guys, I know you'll remember this fifty years
ago how good mate Chats was felled by a bouncer
that almost had a tragic outcome.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
As a leaver coming in Barster Chatfield now or and
this one who's hit him has hit him on the head.
I think it's a bouncer bowl to Chatfield and it's
hit him on the head and he's dropped his bat
and he's staggered away a nasty delivery lifting there and
Chatfield did not know how to deal with it, and
he's collapsed on the pitch on the just to the
side of the wicket. And I think it's fear to
say it's unfortunate that Lever finds it necessary if there's
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someoning help for him. He's got a nasty blow. He's
down on the ground, writhing there, and I think in
all furnace it's fear to say it's unnecessary for a
battle of lever's pace to bol that sort of delivery
at the tail end Batsman, and I don't think he
will have had a lot of friends by. But it's
an unfortunate incident, and I think that most of the
England camp are very sorry about it, and they're doing
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what they can to assist chap Field who's lying on
the ground. He's he's not too good at the moment.
I just don't know how he'll get on. But he
was struck on the head there by that bulf which
lippid and I just have to see how he gets on.
But there's summoning in for the first aid. He is
very heavily coming up for the first aid kit and
Sint John's embulance and John Eblisman is out there too,
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And this is a most unfortunate occurrence. I could will
put an end of the match because whether this lad
will be able to beat on, I don't know. We're
too far away from the scene here to see it.
I quite appear with your remarks.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
I thought it was a viciously nasty ball to bowl.
I think it was a particularly unpleasant one. He may,
I mean, he may say he didn't intend it, but
it was exactly this sort of deliverer at a faster
pace that our tale ran back from.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
We're having to cap with against.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Thompson Lily Australia, which our players were making a great
fuss about.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
He did look nasty.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
And Georg chapfill is obviously been surely nastily hurt by
this way.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
Can see from the way he's obviously.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
In great pain. And it was a I mean, we
saw earlier that he didn't like the short lifted one,
but the one out earlier I didn't think we really
bonds that. In fact, to a good batsman, that would
have been an awkward answer to avoids. It came up
from not so very much sort of a legs, didn't
the Bob Well, I think.
Speaker 8 (34:24):
It's really hurt him. He's we don't want to say
anything that Mike cause undue alarm to relatives of you
and Chatfield, but he is on the ground. He's been
attended by this and John ambulanceman, and we hope that
everything will be all right. But he got a nasty
player there and it's shaken him pretty badly. I think
you will find that this will be the end of
the Test match and probably are very unfortunately end.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
And mate Ellen Richards definitely got on the front foot
in dealing with that. You don't need the bob bounces
to what tail enders. But it was pretty sad at
the time, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
It was Chet's It was the last day of that
match against England. Chats had bettered for about twenty to
thirty minutes in the morning with Jeff Howarth. He kind
of leave a telegraph that they bought a man in
a batpan and they put someone in two gullies and
that sort of thing. That became quite clear. No mid off,
no med on nineteen seventy five, no helmets. It was
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lucky it actually, I think it neither hit his gloves
on the handle of the bat from the hand of
the bat, and then he swallowed his tongue as it
hit him in the head, and then he was not
done conscious and the Zambuts rushed out, as Alan Richards
told us, and didn't know quite what to do and
went away again. And then luckily the England physiotherapist Bernard Thomas,
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little Shortfellar came racing out and he checked Chats's mouth
and that he didn't have any chewing gum in it,
and that would know that if he had swallowed it.
And then they gave him mouth to mouth and he
came round again. Peter Leber was back down halfway down
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the pitch, kneeling. All the rest of the English players
didn't know what the hell to do. They could hear
chat sort of semi choking, and so anyway he saved him.
That was the end of the test matches. Alan mentioned
and he was overnight in hospital. Leva went to see him.
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But yeah, it was unpleasant that those things have happened before.
I mean it happened to us in nineteen eighty. We
were doing the bowling and there was a guy in
Ossie that was at the mcg out came their number eleven.
Jim Higgs batted for about half an hour, supported Doug Walters,
and he was helmeted in that case, and he had
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gloves and he had armed guarden. He was protected in
other words. And larce Ken's, that fiery, fiery bowler, came
in and bold him a horrible little loose bounce so
with an old ball, and he raised his hands up
round his face, got the edge through the wally leeds
and was still awake, and he was dismissed that we
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were all walking off and that stage Robin Bailash said,
that's a no ball. That is illegal. You can't bounce
the number eleven. And so unfortunately we had to go
back out there again for another forty five runs, and
it meant instead of chasing one hundred and fifty on
a very low deck, we chased one hundred and ninety
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and we ended up about one hundred and thirty for six.
We probably would have won the game with the extra time.
So I mean it's happened before. Yep, and don'quiet Jarvid
used to do it down in eighty five, down and
down at Kara's Brook to the chats as well, and
old Fred got involved.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yeah, and chats played and Eyning's that won us a
Test and oh you got a few runs, he chats
one as the Test.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Chats did it for us.
Speaker 8 (38:08):
Well, I.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Was a kid listening to the Higgs one. Well I'm
not a kid, but I was younger obviously than I
am now, and I remember listening to it in absolute horror,
and the Australian radio commentators were aghast as well with
the umpiring. But the Australian umpiring has never been known
for being fair, one of the good reasons that independent
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umpires were brought into the game. But I'm laughing listening
to the story about Chats and so eloquently told by
Jerry and Alan Richards, because of course Chats was also
you remember in seventy eight he was a part of
that controversial dismissal of Derek Randall when he man canted
him only the third time it had been done in
test cricket at Lancaster Park. And I was watching at
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that stage and listening with Dad, and you would have
been there, wadds I think. But Alan Richards was on air,
and you know he had a strong sense of dismay
and could venture his gust at times he had to
take the the air thing out from listening to the races.
But he expressed as absolute disgust at what had occur.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
And I was.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Reading about it recently and Chatfield said, look, I don't
think I'm on both of them's Christmas card list. But
to tie the two stories together, I've heard it reported
I suspect it's not true, but it's a good story
that both of them said to him, you nearly died
on a cricket field once, and who knows what could
happen again.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, as it was, but a memory that we have
from fifty years ago. Thanks guys for your contribution again,
I hope for our wins the semi or thanks Johnny's Chairs.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Guys.
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Hello on the Front Foot Back review its semi final
time at the Champions Trophy. Despite the loss to India,
another ICCs title still beckons some positive signs from the
loss in Dubai if we get back there. How important
will spinbe? Thevendor is sparkling for at ICC events explains
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why he had to come in through the winning side.
Should England have listened to the politicians and boycott at
the Afghanistan match probably would have produced the same outcome
and early flight home and in other sporting action. I
love the format of the Champions Trophy, but the ICC
is that the International Cricket Conference or is it the
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Indian Cricket Club have damaged the brand by allowing India
to dictate venue terms. Didn't the same thing happen in
the World Cup in the Caribbean, and there are new
names to the poor and the White Frians team chosen
on form and in home conditions. Should contracts require top
players to be available for series at home, the captain
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in waiting, Amelia care is needed to play for the
White Friends as much as I'm playing ipl We don't
deny that, but hey, that's the current state of the game.
I suppose Jeremy Coney, you'd been watching the match in Dubai.
A loss, but some positive stuff, you know. I still
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think he's held the playing pretty good cricket, aren't they.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah? Today he was hello run Yeah. I suppose New
zeal will be a bit disappointed with the batting effort,
won't they. I don't think they can be too disappointed
with their bowling effort and their support in the field.
I thought Henry seen the ball early on in the
power play Jamison got it to swing away, which meant
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that rot Shama couldn't hit him and attack him and
was dismissed. I thought sat in the bold a decent
line as he has done right throughout this tournament and
changing his pace, and he hasn't been easy. He got
a bit of turn as well. I thought that brace
Will probably wasn't his his best game. I think that
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it would be fair to say Revendra Bold six overs
for thirty and did the job as well. I don't
know what you thought was but I thought maybe Jameson
could have bowled his ten. Whether they were holding him
back because of his back or I don't know, but
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I thought he could because he bowled six in the
first spell and two in the forty to fifty. I
thought in the middle he could have had a couple
of overs there. I don't know, because he was going
quite nicely.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, I think they've been professional, they've been organized, and
they've done an excellent job. But what about someone else's view,
Gath Galloway joined us once again. He's probably been hiding
away on holiday somewhere, Gath, keeping up to date with
the cricket, of course. But your impression of what you've seen,
not only in the game against India but in general
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the one day form of the black Caps.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I think they've been really good. Just echoing what Jerry
said and what you've said. I've enjoyed watching them. I think,
you know, it does show the advantage doesn't it of
a decent warm up, and you know, they had that
tryst series with Pakistan and South Africa, played well, went
into the tournament, I think, feeling confident in their game,
with a couple of selection dilemmas and I think they'd
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managed those and negotiated them well.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Again, New Zealand's fielding at home I thought was a
bit lackluster times during our season, but they've fielded well
in the tournament, some brilliant I mean, I don't know
if you saw the catches. I'm sure you did, but
again Phillip's taking a brilliant catch to get rid of
Cooley and then Kane Williamson of course taking a couple
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of catches as well, so they've set the standard. I
think Latham to focus on another area. I think his
keeping has been pretty good over there, and you know,
when you're playing three spinners, that's another vital part of
the game, and I feel that Latham has contributed with
his gloves pretty well, and obviously batting wise, New Zealand
have had some highlights and most of the players have contributed.
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I guess the other thing to think to reflect on
WADS is the captaincy of Santa, which I think has
been pretty good.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, I think we've mentioned that as well. Throughout the tournament,
it's been outstanding. You talk about that fielding, it is
something we have criticized the Jerias in the past because
it's been untidy. The catching hasn't been the best. We
just remember back to the number of catches or the
number of times Harry Brook was dropped. But how many
runs are those catches that Phillips takes and seems to
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be able to do it at will, the left handed
one in the Pakistan game, and then to get rid
of Coley. Coley was just believing, wasn't he Yell?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
He hit that pretty hard, Brian, didn't he really? I
suppose if I was to compare the two, because it
was a left handed one, the first one against Pakistan,
I would have said that might be slightly better. In
other words, it's not as strong hand, but they're both very,
very good catches. It's the sort of thing. The first
thing I would say is that he's obviously alert in
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the fields. It's a key position. And if a bowler
like Raurck is bowling who tends to just be a
little bit on the short side and if he's outside
of stump, that backward point position becomes very important. He's
obviously expecting something. A catch does not surprise him. He
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is awake, alert and ready to go. And you need
to be that as a fieldsman. You need to expect
to catch every ball. It shouldn't surprise you. And certainly
that doesn't.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, we've been critical of some of the fielding, but
it just shows the value of quality fielding guard doesn't
it that? You know, it lifts the team in other
areas and it just shows that New Zealand can't be trifled.
Would they are up there and still got a chance
of winning this champions trophy?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah they have.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
And then if you look at contrasting fortunes and think
about the fielding, I think England's fielding has been very
poor once you know, they dropped a number of catchers,
a number of miss fields in the inner circle, some
poor boundary fielding and that's really gone along with their
fortunes in the tournament. You know, the sides, I think
the best four sides are throw in India, New Zealand,
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South Africa and Australia. I don't think there's any doubt
about that and all of those sides are good fielding sides,
and New Zealand are the equal, if not the better,
of all of them. I think on their day with.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
The fielding, Yeah, and the Black Aps have got players
in form. Everyone has provided something at some time for them.
They needed to string it together in semi final and
final situations.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Jerry Well, they certainly have been able to get to
positions and games against Bangladesh and obviously in that sort
of try series prior to and also Pakistan where they
put Shillips in a position just before the fortieth over
he could get himself in and then he would cause
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a great deal of damage. They couldn't quite do that
in these conditions. You know, against India the surface was
very different from Pakistan, and I think really you know,
they asked that. They asked Williamson to just do too much.
He needed two guys to just get thirties or forties
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around him and then that could have been New Zealand
through to a victory in that game. But that shows
you how different this venue is New Zealand. I don't
think it'll affect them greatly. I hope it doesn't. They'll
just park. I think the things that they will have
learned from that game, and if they happen to go
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back there in the final, if that's the case, then
I think, you know, they'll be able to look at
all the things that they've learned there. So you know,
I think spin, for example, only got two through one
hundred and twenty from the twenty five overs they bowled,
and the pace seven for one hundred and twenty, so
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and in spinning conditions, we really needed to do a
little better through the middle, and that's where I thought
Jameson could have come in and broken that up a weaver. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Interesting. The other situation from the New Zealand point of viewers,
would they have had in mind who they wanted to
play in the semifinal or does that not come into
your calculations. I mean, they know they were in the semifinal,
South Africa or Australia. Does it really matter when you
get to this stage of the tournament.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Well, for me, I think you want to play South Africa.
I mean I think that would have been their preference.
That's not to suggest for a moment that they through
the game to ensure that that could happen.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
But.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
Yeah, I just I feel we'll see.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I just feel that South Africa or aside who as
we know, they've won this champions Trophy once, they haven't
won anything else and they don't have a good reputation
when it comes to tournaments semi finals and finals, so
I think and Australia of course, are the absolute opposite
of that. So I think I don't think they would
never go into the game thinking this is our preference
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and it's going to dictate our play. But I don't
think they'll be unhappy at all with the way things
are panning out.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I think South Africa having said that, and I think
their fair points guard mates, I don't think it'll be
an easy game. Lahore has been of the three Pakistan
venues a bit of a run fest, I mean three
thirty plus and I'm looking at the two sides. I
just sense that South Africa have got a bit more
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power hitting on a very flat pitch, and you know
with players like Class and particularly and Miller, and then
they've got batting with would say Markram LeVander, Dusten and
Rickleton the opener, So whether they all play, They've had
some illness in that group, haven't they. So I think
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there's a bit of danger to their batting, particularly with
our death bowling. We'll obviously want to pick up wickets
through the innings, but you know, they're probably as far
as their bowling is concerned, they'll go for their quicks. Rabada,
Marco Jansson and Ingidi. Perhaps Molder has been bowling through
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the middle, and maybe Maharaje. They might pick CHALMSY don't know.
Maharaje is an underrated spinner. I think the ground at
Lahorse and they've played there already South Africa, they could
be a dangerous site, but it's a better chance for
New Zealand than playing, you know, in Dubai. I don't
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know why they've done them. I mean, well we know
why they're down there in Dubai, but why didn't they
share that around. Why didn't they put them at Charger
for another game. Why didn't they put them at Abul
Danby for another game and change the venues down there
in the UAE.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I quite agree, I can't understand the reasoning. I know
why it's done. It's done for money and political purposes. Basically,
I'd go back to what happened in the two thousand
and three World Cup and they forfeit games if they
didn't want to go and play in Pakistan. But they're
never going to do that. But India have the situation
They've got themselves insconsin a hotel, feed up, swimming pool,
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you know, a few Gin and Tonics or a beer
where they want to They don't have to worry about
getting a plane to Lahore and then back to Dubai.
You know, New Zealand finish a game against India, they
have to get on the flight to go to Lahore
and they you know, they're the ones that are having
to do the hard yards. It's making it too easy
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for India and they are benefiting from it, being able
to play in conditions that suit their team. Yeah, they are.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
And I think you go to put it to a
position where, you know, India. Everyone used to love watching
India play. I mean I still do. I think their
players are very attractive cricketers. Their batsmen are beautiful to
watch by and large. They have some real power through
their batting lineup as well, and they have terrific spinners
and we saw that against New Zealand last night as
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well as you know Pandea and Chami and co with
you know, they've got some good pace as well. But
I feel that you you know, that they're the side
used to love seeing doing well against Australia and England.
They always felt like a bit of an underdog, and
now I just feel that the mood's changed a bit
and these sorts of things don't help, you know. They
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there's an entitlement and an arrogance to the organization, and
you know, a tournament should should not be run on
the basis that it's not fair, it's not even and
I think for many people, you know, they'll be hoping
like anything that India get beaten in the semi finals.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I'm sure that's part of the feeling from a lot
of people's point of view. But New Zealand has to
decide what sort of team they want in Lahore and
hopefully what sort of team they're going to need and
do by if they get back there, if India through
to the final. Otherwise of course they remain in Lahore.
In our last edition, we question who should be dropped
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to allow for Revendra's reselection Illness to Mitchell answered that question.
Vendra's habit of scoring hundreds at ICC tournaments was added
to He's got four now despite the frustrations of being
out with that freak injury. When he got back, he
hit the ground running, running hot.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
Yeah, for sure, thank you very much. Definitely.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
I guess whenever you come back from a well notice
the injury, a freak accident, you want to contrary to
the team again. And you know, obviously the team's been
going so well, so you don't want to ruin momentum
or change the team. So it was nice to come
out there and put on a decent performance and help
the team, you know, book a semi final spot.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
It's hard to get a place in the top or
at the moment, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Yeah, but that's that's the beauty of it. You know,
we we've got. I think the depth that we have
in our current team is amazing. I don't think many
times we've seen a New Zealand team quite like it.
So it's cool to be involved in an amazing period
for New Zealand cricket and hopefully we can keep developing
each other together and keep driving each other to contribute.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah. I haven't seen anything about the injury you sustained.
How did it impact themselves? I know sort of in
the in the forehead you were What was the feeling
like after you got hit?
Speaker 7 (15:49):
Yeah, it was. It was interesting.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
I guess you could still see the remnants of the
scar there, still healing and a wee bit, but to
be honest, it all kept happening quite quickly a little
bit of the days. I guess the ball sort of
into the lights and didn't leave the lights, And I'm very,
very fortunate that it hit me where it did. Any
any lower, I think it would have been a really
real problem. Probably looked a lot worse than what it was,
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just with the amount of blood and stuff on the field.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
But luckily enough had a couple of.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Stitches and docks that stitching me up at the ground,
so that was good, and been able to recover well.
I guess the whole thing about concussion is the return
to play protocol and when you can play again enough
to getting headaches and stuff. But I was lucky enough
to come through that okay and be able to play
that second game.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Can you give us an assessment of the conditions, the
pitch conditions as such? Were they as you expected? I
know you've had a bit of experience in that part
of the world anyway, in recent times and in Dubai
as well. Are they as you expected?
Speaker 7 (16:44):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
I think the wickets tend to be a little bit
lower here and a bit skiddy lucky enough. Like you said,
we've played a lot of Cracker here in the recent
past and we've got a lot of experience to lean
on with that stuff.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
So yeah, they've been quite up to expectation.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
But also it's that adaption piece, right, We've had a
home someone in New Zealand we played white Wall Cracker
on bouncy of wickets that do a little bit more
with the new ball where is here, the more challenges
spin through the middle and stuff. So really tests our
game on how we can adapt to what's in front
of us, which is exciting Banchester for it. Get to
play in all these different environments, especially during a World tournament,
tested stuff with that stuff, So yeah, I think so.
(17:21):
And the scouting and the comms from the coaches have
been great and I think that's probably a reason why
we've done reasonably well so far.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
You like this format of the tournament. That's pretty quick fire,
isn't it.
Speaker 7 (17:31):
Yeah. I think it's quite cool. I enjoy the knockout
type aspect.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
Of it means there's no real room to have an
off day or anything like that. But that's what sort
of excites you about cricket like that, because a couple
of mistakes and then all of a sudden you're under
the pump. And I think it's it's cool for the
fans too, knowing this this is the way it is,
and you want your team to do so well and
you know if you lose one, it's a big problem.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
But it's cool format nice like short and sharp.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, desides having success. So I guess there's confidence there.
I guess you've also got to remain grounded as the
tournament goes through, don't.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
You for sure.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
I mean that's also the key way, right we be
our feeder and play with respect and obviously that the
confidence in our group and our ability and the trust
in ourselves. But at the end of the day, it's
just executing our skills ball after ball and not trying
to get too far ahead of ourselves.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
We all know we're playing good cricket, but that's because
of the.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Work that we've done and the lead up, and we
don't necessarily have to change things and hopefully we can
just adapt on the day and see where that takes
us Jerry.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
He's a significant player in the New Zealand side. Revender.
You know, there was no argument about him coming back in.
They have been able to use him, but you see
a sort of changing of his use within the side.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I just wondered watching last night Brian, if Revendra we
would regard him maybe as one of our better players
that's slow and spin bowling, and I think that's probably
right that he's able to take a delivery landing in
the same place and perhaps are too different parts of
(19:09):
the field which makes it difficult for the fielding captain
to set a field. And I just wondered whether we
are putting him in just a little early in those
spinning conditions. I'm not suggesting we take him out of
opening perhaps against South Africa. I just thought that also
(19:30):
Mitchell looked a little bit lost against Varren CHAKRAVARTI not
that he was the only one to be like that,
but I just think let's use our best players in
the best time. We don't want Ravendra being removed, you know,
in those first ten overs if it can be helped,
(19:52):
and I just feel maybe it might offer something. I
don't like changing batting orders very much. I don't like
changing teams that much once you get to these very
quick tournaments. So but that was just one thing in
the back of my mind that seemed to make a
bit of sense. Now, whether that means that they opened
with Conway or whether they put maybe even Mitchell up there.
(20:14):
He's opened, remember he opened down at the UAE and
the T twenties didn't he So I think I think
it is. It is a possible one, as long as
they prepare people for it, and it doesn't seem to
upset obviously a wound upset Ravendra, I wouldn't think, because
he's used to batting it for as well.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Yeah, I think the I mean for me, I suppose
that what they will do and what we might do
Jerry are two different things, and not totally and I
think that they are. They're obviously playing well, but they
are an organization I think who have been crippled by
(20:55):
conservatism and so for that reason, you know, I don't
see them taking risks in a semi final in the
Champions Trophy. And I think, you know the way that
Stephen Coo think is well putting the Indian game to
one side, and it wasn't a terrible performance by New
Zealand in that game against a very good side. Putting
(21:15):
that to one side, I think they'll just think, look,
we'll stick with what we know. I suppose the question,
as you say, is whether Conway comes in for Young
or Avenger. I don't think they'll make a change. I
think they have to have to stick with the same
eleven and I think that's what they'll do.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Indeed, it's just a matter of making better use to
a certain extent of Revender. Here's a stroke player, isn't he.
And we saw in the game against India in Dubai
that it was very hard to be playing the ball
freely early on. You had to spend a bit of
time getting in. That's what Aya and a supperatel Ac Sapatel,
(21:53):
you know, that's what they did. They spend a fair
bit of time getting settled, didn't they They did.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I mean I think that if you watch. I mean,
I think Jerry and I have talked about this many
times with you once how and Jerry's absolutely right talking
about how Williamson, you know, And it's in all forms
of the game when a wicket falls early, he's under pressure.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
And I think we saw it.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
It's a classic example in this game against India last
night where he scored eighty one off one hundred and
twenty bulls. People will say that he was too slow,
but they'd lost Mitchell and Ravendra and then Young for
twenty two, so it was not you know, he has
to be the builder and no one does it better
than he does at three. But somehow they've got to
(22:34):
get away to a better start where he's not coming
in and you know, ideally in the first ten overs
or so. The other thing I thought with the New
Zealand batters in Dubai was that I just felt they
were a bit too creaspound against the Indian spinners. I know,
we saw Williamson getting stumped when he came down the
pitch to Axa Pattel, but that was late in the innings.
(22:55):
You know, there were a lot there were what one
two four LB's in the middle order for New Zealand
with the batters being pretty creasbound to the Indian spinners,
and I just think at times they're going to have
to with the low bounce so on, particularly in Dubai.
I'd like to see them using their feet and trying
to change things up a bit more and getting to
the ball.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yep, Well, we've got to get to Dubai first of all,
though it is Lahore and I think we're unanimous that
New Zealand is capable of beating South Africa, but we
know how tough they are going to be. We've got
to try and play on the fact that they struggle
when it comes to these kinds of games South Africa,
don't they. They don't win too many tournaments when they
(23:37):
get past the round robin stage.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Both teams have probably been playing effectively. South Africa haven't
played too many games, have they. They've got it rained
off at one stage and they beat England very very convincingly. Aside.
I mean, England at the moment really can't work out
the fifty over format for some reason, and it seems
(24:00):
to me they need to know the value of a wicket.
The longer the game is in the duration of a game,
the more important the wicket becomes. They throw theirs away,
willy nilly, and so you know, South Africa. South Africa,
if they have a good day, will push us. But
we are an effective side and we must find a
(24:21):
way to put them under pressure so they feel they
feel as if they have to do something special to
beat us now, whether that's with the bat, and we
get three hundred and fifty which will force them to
pray freely, and if we can pick up some wickets
then and keep pinning them back, pinning them back, especially
(24:43):
those big hitters, and we stop the Vanderdussen's and the
Markroms and the Rickletons getting a good start and carrying
on and the others can join them. So we've got
a really it's going to be a very interesting match,
I think. But they've really probably don't only going to
(25:03):
have one spinner, so the spinners shouldn't worry. It's going
to be a very different surface. I think just things
return as they were before. And I think that New
Zealanders they play strongly and effectively as we know they can.
They hold their catches where them with the chants.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yep, I can't agree more. And I think I mean
the thing with South Africa, like so many sides, I
think with their background and always having in the back
of their mind their tournament record in the last twenty
five thirty years or so, I think you've got to
get them under a little bit of pressure early on
and if you can get them under pressure early on,
(25:43):
then I think that will play to New Zealand's advantage.
They're dangerous, as Jerry says, Reckleton and vander Dusson both
in the leading run scorers in the tournament and both
scoring at a fair old clip, you know, around one
hundred strike rate and one hundred and twenty for vander Dusson.
That's very good in the fifty over games. So they're
(26:05):
dangerous players. And then I think, you know, we look
at their attack and we know about Jansen, Ravada and
Gidi and Maharaj. As you say, Jerry is a very
underrated spinner, a top class performer. So they're a good side.
Get them under pressure early is I'm sure what New
Zealand will be trying to do and take the game
(26:26):
away from them.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, well they haven't been gas, have they. They played
Afghanistan first, which is quite useful for them, yep, before
Afghanistan could get into the tournament. Then they and they
sup them really and then they did exactly the same
to England and then they played half a game against
Australia and Australia were actually quite well ahead of South Africa,
(26:52):
but then it rained so they haven't really been under
pressure too much, and that's what our job will be,
whether it's the bowler or whether it's the batting.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
I agree, and I think the one thing South Africa's
advantage of those three games that you mentioned, Jerry, I
thought that their performance against England was emphatic chasing runs
and they did it very well, playing with the sort
of freedom that we haven't seen South Africa playing with
at the time. So like you both, I think it
should be a fantastic game very much.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
They were under no pressure against England, were they.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
They still had to win it because I suppose it
was the offside chance that Afghanistan could have beaten Australia,
but very unlikely.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, that was always a possibility post Bortum on the
semi final, in the final and an ex edition of
on the.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Front Foot Brian Waddle Jeremy Coney on the Front Foot.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
One of the issues that cricket is going to have
to face, particularly in New Zealand in the near future
and is causing a few issues at the moment. I've
heard from unnamed players who I can't reveal that there
are contract issues with New Zealand Cricket that New Zealand
Cricket of the Players Association in the process of arranging
(28:13):
some mediation over issues. Mediation means solicitors and lawyers garth,
which means money and you know, yeah, you don't get
to that stage without some major issue. I hope it's
not putting in you to a difficult situation whether you're
(28:34):
handling contracts for any of the players. But it is
a worry and it's brought to mind that Amelia cur
is not available for the series against Sri Lanka Whent.
To my mind, she is the captain and waiting. She's
New Zealand women's best player and yet she's off playing
the women's IPL Yet she has a contract with New
(28:55):
Zealand Cricket. Is that right?
Speaker 4 (28:57):
No, it's not. I mean, but again, I think it's
going to be the risk for an organization like New
Zealand Cricket as we know is that And I'm sure
Amelia Ker loves playing for New Zealand. I agree with
you that she's the captain in waiting. I suppose the
riskers that they if they can't find a way to
have some form of compromise, then the choice becomes one
(29:20):
of income and I'm afraid I don't think New Zealand's
going to win that battle with the sort of money
that some of the players can make around the world.
That's a difficulty with it.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
You know.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
I think New Zealand struggled to handle the Bolt situation
particularly well. You know, they brought him back occasionally when
they wanted him, but I felt that it didn't It
didn't work either way. It didn't feel good, useful fear,
and of course the players who are in waiting and
watching those players not playing for New Zealand being brought back.
(29:49):
It causes an awful lot of issues. So I'm no,
I'm not privy to any of those negotiations, but it's
a difficult road to walk down and the balance is
not easy.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Garth, did you say that a Melia Occurre does not
have a contract with New Zealand Cricket.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
She does have, Yes, she does.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Now what I said is that, you know, eventually, if
you can't reach a compromise, then players have to make
a choice based on money. That's the risk.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
That's right. I would have sought after the women were
with an equity pay situation as the men, that there
would still be casual contracts as such as there are
for the men. It's quite early for a Meliaccur to
be doing that. Maybe what is she twenty six or
(30:38):
something like that.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yep, pretty much around there.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
But yeah, I would have sought that she you know,
she will naturally, as Gas says, go for the cash,
and she might use the excuse or as a reason.
I'm playing a slightly higher level of cricket and therefore
(31:02):
this is good for me to develop my game, so
when I do come back, I'll be, you know know
better for New Zealand. I mean, that might well be
along with the you know, wanting to go and play
over there and get some money some of the reasons.
But I don't think New Zealand Cricket can really allow that,
(31:25):
can they. She's signed a contract to be available to
play for New Zealand and their longest games are fifty
over matches, and that's what they're playing, aren't they. Aren't
they playing fifty over matches either against Sri Lanka or yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
So both.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
I would have I mean, that's the equivalent of the
Test match for them. I would have thought she should
be available. Otherwise you don't get you you've broken your
contract Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
It's an interesting scenario that, as Garth mentioned and Jerry's
mentioned also, that New Zealand Cricket is going to have
to face over a period of time. And I understand
through my sources that these issues are coming to the
four because I think the master agreement between the Players
Association and New Zealand Cricket is up for decision next year,
(32:17):
so that will be something interesting to look at. Finally,
this week, guys, I know you'll remember this fifty years
ago how good mate Chats was felled by a bouncer
that almost had a tragic outcome.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
As a leaver coming in Barster Chatfield now or and
this one who's hit him has hit him on the head.
I think it's a bouncer bowl to Chatfield and it's
hit him on the head and he's dropped his bat
and he's staggered away a nasty delivery lifting there and
Chatfield did not know how to deal with it, and
he's collapsed on the pitch on the just to the
side of the wicket. And I think it's fear to
say it's unfortunate that Lever finds it necessary if there's
(32:52):
someoning help for him. He's got a nasty blow. He's
down on the ground, writhing there, and I think in
all furnace it's fear to say it's unnecessary for a
battle of lever's pace to bol that sort of delivery
at the tail end Batsman, and I don't think he
will have had a lot of friends by. But it's
an unfortunate incident, and I think that most of the
England camp are very sorry about it, and they're doing
(33:14):
what they can to assist chap Field who's lying on
the ground. He's he's not too good at the moment.
I just don't know how he'll get on. But he
was struck on the head there by that bulf which
lippid and I just have to see how he gets on.
But there's summoning in for the first aid. He is
very heavily coming up for the first aid kit and
Sint John's embulance and John Eblisman is out there too,
(33:37):
And this is a most unfortunate occurrence. I could will
put an end of the match because whether this lad
will be able to beat on, I don't know. We're
too far away from the scene here to see it.
I quite appear with your remarks.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
I thought it was a viciously nasty ball to bowl.
I think it was a particularly unpleasant one. He may,
I mean, he may say he didn't intend it, but
it was exactly this sort of deliverer at a faster
pace that our tale ran back from.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
We're having to cap with against.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Thompson Lily Australia, which our players were making a great
fuss about.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
He did look nasty.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
And Georg chapfill is obviously been surely nastily hurt by
this way.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
Can see from the way he's obviously.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
In great pain. And it was a I mean, we
saw earlier that he didn't like the short lifted one,
but the one out earlier I didn't think we really
bonds that. In fact, to a good batsman, that would
have been an awkward answer to avoids. It came up
from not so very much sort of a legs, didn't
the Bob Well, I think.
Speaker 8 (34:24):
It's really hurt him. He's we don't want to say
anything that Mike cause undue alarm to relatives of you
and Chatfield, but he is on the ground. He's been
attended by this and John ambulanceman, and we hope that
everything will be all right. But he got a nasty
player there and it's shaken him pretty badly. I think
you will find that this will be the end of
the Test match and probably are very unfortunately end.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
And mate Ellen Richards definitely got on the front foot
in dealing with that. You don't need the bob bounces
to what tail enders. But it was pretty sad at
the time, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
It was Chet's It was the last day of that
match against England. Chats had bettered for about twenty to
thirty minutes in the morning with Jeff Howarth. He kind
of leave a telegraph that they bought a man in
a batpan and they put someone in two gullies and
that sort of thing. That became quite clear. No mid off,
no med on nineteen seventy five, no helmets. It was
(35:25):
lucky it actually, I think it neither hit his gloves
on the handle of the bat from the hand of
the bat, and then he swallowed his tongue as it
hit him in the head, and then he was not
done conscious and the Zambuts rushed out, as Alan Richards
told us, and didn't know quite what to do and
went away again. And then luckily the England physiotherapist Bernard Thomas,
(35:48):
little Shortfellar came racing out and he checked Chats's mouth
and that he didn't have any chewing gum in it,
and that would know that if he had swallowed it.
And then they gave him mouth to mouth and he
came round again. Peter Leber was back down halfway down
(36:09):
the pitch, kneeling. All the rest of the English players
didn't know what the hell to do. They could hear
chat sort of semi choking, and so anyway he saved him.
That was the end of the test matches. Alan mentioned
and he was overnight in hospital. Leva went to see him.
(36:34):
But yeah, it was unpleasant that those things have happened before.
I mean it happened to us in nineteen eighty. We
were doing the bowling and there was a guy in
Ossie that was at the mcg out came their number eleven.
Jim Higgs batted for about half an hour, supported Doug Walters,
and he was helmeted in that case, and he had
(36:56):
gloves and he had armed guarden. He was protected in
other words. And larce Ken's, that fiery, fiery bowler, came
in and bold him a horrible little loose bounce so
with an old ball, and he raised his hands up
round his face, got the edge through the wally leeds
and was still awake, and he was dismissed that we
(37:18):
were all walking off and that stage Robin Bailash said,
that's a no ball. That is illegal. You can't bounce
the number eleven. And so unfortunately we had to go
back out there again for another forty five runs, and
it meant instead of chasing one hundred and fifty on
a very low deck, we chased one hundred and ninety
(37:40):
and we ended up about one hundred and thirty for six.
We probably would have won the game with the extra time.
So I mean it's happened before. Yep, and don'quiet Jarvid
used to do it down in eighty five, down and
down at Kara's Brook to the chats as well, and
old Fred got involved.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yeah, and chats played and Eyning's that won us a
Test and oh you got a few runs, he chats
one as the Test.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Chats did it for us.
Speaker 8 (38:08):
Well, I.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Was a kid listening to the Higgs one. Well I'm
not a kid, but I was younger obviously than I
am now, and I remember listening to it in absolute horror,
and the Australian radio commentators were aghast as well with
the umpiring. But the Australian umpiring has never been known
for being fair, one of the good reasons that independent
(38:33):
umpires were brought into the game. But I'm laughing listening
to the story about Chats and so eloquently told by
Jerry and Alan Richards, because of course Chats was also
you remember in seventy eight he was a part of
that controversial dismissal of Derek Randall when he man canted
him only the third time it had been done in
test cricket at Lancaster Park. And I was watching at
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that stage and listening with Dad, and you would have
been there, wadds I think. But Alan Richards was on air,
and you know he had a strong sense of dismay
and could venture his gust at times he had to
take the the air thing out from listening to the races.
But he expressed as absolute disgust at what had occur.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
And I was.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Reading about it recently and Chatfield said, look, I don't
think I'm on both of them's Christmas card list. But
to tie the two stories together, I've heard it reported
I suspect it's not true, but it's a good story
that both of them said to him, you nearly died
on a cricket field once, and who knows what could
happen again.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, as it was, but a memory that we have
from fifty years ago. Thanks guys for your contribution again,
I hope for our wins the semi or thanks Johnny's Chairs.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
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