March 19, 2025 • 29 mins
Today on On The Front Foot, Bryan Waddle and Jeremy Coney raise the question of if another T20 league out of Saudi Arabia will add to the quality of the international game.
They also discuss the squared series with Sri Lanka for the White Ferns, and whether Plunket Shield cricket deserves greater promotion from NZ Cricket.
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Hello, We're on the front put again. Nice to have
you with us. Coming up this week, Dopy Devine returns
to the White Funds for the Aussie series of free
t twenties. Black Caps non contracted players have given another
chance to qualify for the World Cup. We'll be and
some well alarming news or is it good news for
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the game of cricket. It's just emanating out of Australia.
That's a Saudi backed Global twenty twenty league is looking
to take off. They've got megabucks to spend. It sounds
as though Greg Norman's mates are in the action, but
it's all been set up by the Australian Cricketers Association
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and ultimately the Australian Cricket Board. The league would be
owned primarily by the ICC and and Saudi Arabia's public
Investment Fund, with a smaller state for the players. Here
it is four annual tournaments will be played over a
week each in iconic locations around the world, followed by
a final at year's end. The eight city based teams
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would be chosen for their cultural cachet, whatever that means.
Jeremy Caty's with us and a regular contributor to the program.
Peter Holland Moose joins us. One more firstly, JC, do
we need another T twenty tournament? I know the money's great,
but do we need another month to six weeks of
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T twenty cricket for the rich?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Well, that's the first question you ask yourself, isn't it
as you look at these things, you know this is
something new, it's in other words, it's additional. This is not,
you know, a schedule that's already crammed at a tipping
point and overflowing really and a desperate need to kind
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of rationalize and reorganize it so that it has some
meaningful organization and so, and this is something new, as
you say, could be four weeks, five weeks, six weeks,
there's a final as well. I think there are eight teams,
aren't there brands? Is that what I read that?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
So yeah, that that's the first thing I think that
you begin to think about. I did read there. I
think they will use vacant windows in the year to
run it. Well, I'm not sure where are those vacant
places to run this thing? You know, there's literally nowhere
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and so I mean there's always somewhere where high level
cricket is being played. So that is an issue. I
think that's an issue. Yes, indeed, so just loads more
squeeze squeeze on bilateral games if it goes ahead.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Peter Holand what do you think a Wellington team called
the Hurricanes or the Phoenix or perhaps the Auckland Gladiators,
the Canterbury Crusaders or wow, I don't know, is it necessary.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
The one thing that I would say is that you
use the word cachet. Well, they've got plenty of that.
And he thought that they would be holding World World
Championships and boxing in Saudi three years ago, four years ago,
you wouldn't have thought of that. They're holding soccer leagues,
paying amount of money they're paying. The people are Ronaldo
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and so on. The thing is with these people, when
you've got that much capital, it's hard to rule them
out because they just become serious. Absent capital, that then
it becomes a nonsense. But money will speak and we
know that the players will follow that. Now, whether it
fails in a period of time, I don't know. So look,
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take it seriously. I think you have to, simply because
they've got more money than they know what to do with,
and they seem to be collecting sports, Tennis is apparently
it seems. It seems seems sort of in their eyesight,
nothing is off limits to them, and hey, it's their money,
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their capital. So I just think we watch and wait,
gee whiz, you wouldn't mind being young cricketer these days, would.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
You if there's that opportunity for young cricket. Of the players,
the money seems to go to the same people over
and over again, and that's usually those who hold the
purse strings get most of the money anyway. But it'll
be interesting they talk about it being able to fund
Test cricket, and there's a lot of talk to be had.
It's it's not even up and coming. But when you've
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got people who are being asked for questions and they
have no comment to make you know it's alive, and
well don't you, Jerry.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
You do And it's actually I think been planned for
some time once. I think it's been going for a
year or two now. They've been discussing this, and certainly
we've all noticed that Saudi money has been sniffing around cricket.
It's in the IPL, We've all seen those that's in
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the ICC. We've seen the words of Ramco and all
those kinds of names. And they've got plenty of money
to involve and influence what they would like to do
with it. And they're talking about half a billion here.
Whether they're going to work with India is a pike
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guess a possibility with the IPL and then have it
go on to the Saudi one the SPL. I don't know.
The interesting thing you mentioned there at the beginning that
I noticed was Ozzie's been involved through the association the
players associate their union in other words, and I just wondered,
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did they get in Are they trying to get in
early and influence where some of that Saudi money might
possibly go rather than perhaps in the Indian direction they
might bring it in a different sort of place, and
the way they're presenting it seems to be this is
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a very good place because we're going to be helping.
We're not going to be engaged, you know in times
where we're pushing other things aside. Well, I don't think
that's going to happen. But that's what they're saying. But
it's but linking it to the funding of cricket. You
just wonder whether they're trying to pull things away from
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the Indian direction. I just wondered that in the back
of my mind when I saw that if that's what
they're trying to sort of influence, rather than pushing more
that way where we all know it is, to pull
it somewhere else. And maybe that's what the Australian players
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and the and the ACR trying to do. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
One of those trying to generate it as a fellow
called Neil Maxwell of course, who well he was here
Cricket Association. He worked for New Zealand many years ago.
He's the manager of Pat Cummins, of all people. And
the interesting thing we see is that they've also been
in discussion with the Chairman of the World Cricketers Association
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or whether it's called. And his name is Heath Mills,
so he's obviously known about it for quite some time.
Heath Mills of the New Zealand Cricket Players Association. It's
got legs most it's got legs.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
The only thing that I'll say is the other thing
I'll say is that just perhaps some form of competing offer.
And I noticed that they're looking at the sweet spot
potentially for those cricket associations outside of the top three
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being austral At, England and India. Yeah, cash poor, some
of the messages are trying to appeal to them. So
funny way, perhaps the likes of West Indies and those
less well off New Zealand included there could be a
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beneficiary of all this money dropping out of their pockets
for the game. I'm not sure that I particularly like
the idea, but it'll be interesting. This, this sort of
a little bit of a potential power grab for the
sport may have its benefits to those other cricketing countries perhaps.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Who knows.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Yeah, that's right, they're trying. They're appealing to that, aren't they.
That's that all of us when we read that, And
I think if anyone reads that, you think, ah, that's
really good. We like the sound of that. We'll just
have to wait and see if it happens, you know.
The other thought, the last thought I had was very
quickly save Sydney as one of the eight teams. As
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they're putting it around cities. They at the stage, I mean,
are all the best Australian players go to be whipped
into the Sydney team. Is the Auckland side going to
have all the best New Zealand sides? Is the London
team going to have all the best English sides? Will
that in the end replace International T twenty cricket is
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a sort of a thought that bubbles to the surface
of my mind too.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Well, there's benefits of that, and that would be the
case if it's going to be city. You just can't
pick a Wellington team. You've got to pick the best
of New Zealand. If it's going to be that's right
team per country. And it'll be interesting to see what
the plans are because it hasn't even been put forward
to the ICC yet. But it was interesting just to
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read this article and it was written by a philler
called Dan Bretti. Is probably the prominent cricket journalist or
one of them in Australia, and he will have much
of the information in his hands. So we will watch
this for a lot of interest in it. I will
come up over the.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Was this morning that the head of English cricket, I
forget the guy's name this morning said that they wouldn't
have an interest. But the other great thing about the
Saudi cricket that it would be a great for women's cricket
as well. Of course probably not.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Especially the Afghanistan Afghanistan woman. Perhaps, Yes, they can't seem
to get it. They can only get a game on
Australia on a regular base. We'll watch with interest and
keep you up to date as those things developed.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Sophie Divines back in the New Zealand side, the White Ferns.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Yeah, look, probably it's got to a point where I
needed to step away for a little bit. Obviously the
last twelve eighteen months have been massive for me personally,
but also the White Fans group, the amount of cricket
that we've played, obviously winning the World Cup and things
like that, and it probably hit me a little bit
harder than I realized and for me, with the support
of New Zealand Cricket, you know, family fans, I've been
really fortunate to be able to have that time away.
I think something that I'm you know, really big on
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is that mental health and making sure that you do
take the time. So yeah, look, just really thankful for
the support that I've received, not only from but from
people as well well wishes. It's been really nice. So yeah,
to be able to go away spend some time has
been good. Oh look, and this year I've certainly switched
off from everything. I think probably refer it more to hibernation,
sort of been into hiding a little bit, but certainly
the last couple of weeks have been watching tuning in
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and keeping tabs on them. Have been super impressed with
obviously a lot of new faces coming into the group
and their ability to stand up has been really exciting.
So it's been awesome. It's been awesome to watch the
group from afar whatever happens. I've always been a back
of white fans, but it's cool to be back in
the environment and something that you know, I absolutely love doing.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
So to's ameliaccur goodness welcome back. She just want a
trophy in the Women's League IPL in India. Congratulations to
her for that. They drawn a series with Sri Lanka
without probably nearly a dozen players who are experienced and
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have been injured. They've picked aside to play Australia Baits, Carson, Devine,
Green Halliday, Engles, James Jonas, two Kerza, Georgia Plimmer and
Lea to Whoho. Tough on some of those young players.
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He came into the Sri Lankan series, Jerry, because I
thought that there were good signs through Brie Illing and
also Emma McLeod. Perhaps not up to it yet, but
is there an indication this depth there in the women's game.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Well, it's starting to show. Just a new green shoots,
isn't it, Brian? And that was the exciting thing, I'm
sure for a lot of people as they watched those
two games. Very similar matches, similar totals were first in
his collapse and some easy chases. But yeah, I agree,
I think Brieling for a start, left arm swings it
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a little bit, got a really good wicket in the
second match. Did she bowling one of the openers? And
that's you like to see that she likes to bowl
short too and get a bit more attacking. If she
can add to her pace a little bit, great, But
she's left arm and that's something we haven't seen really
that much. I like the look of some of the
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youth coming through. I like Engles. Okay, she didn't get
many runs, but she looks aggressive and competitive behind the stumps,
and I just think with the bat too, and you
can just see she's in the game and she's becoming
quite a focal point in the team. I thought, once
the team are in the field, so that was good.
I think Plimmer, even though we've known about her, I
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thought there was improvement and development. Even though the runs
weren't there's her fielding was good. She's out in important position,
she was getting run outs. I think we're seeing as
someone growing in confidence as far as she is concerned.
Emma McLeod got a forty and eleven or something like that.
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Forty had to run a ball and so I think
a Devon show was there as well. Carsons. They're quite young.
So there are some new names. Is he sharp?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
You know?
Speaker 4 (15:30):
So these are names we haven't heard of much. Very
pleasing to see them being used. May not be the
full finished article yet, but they're there and they will
get some confidence.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah, we've talked about this women's side most for a
period of time and they really haven't fronted up consistently.
What we need to see from them is consistency. But
what I like about the side they picked when they
had injury problems was they selected players on their domestic form,
so they had shone some skills domestically and were rewarded
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for it and didn't appear to out of place against
the stro Concide No.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And it contrasts significantly with the men's lineups, where we're
reverted back to those who don't want to take contracts.
And I would have thought it was a great opportunity
to introduce very fine young players who seemed to emerging
in this format. And I recall the final CD one
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ut with a couple of really good veterans Cleaver and Bruce,
but some young players who look really, really good and
it was quite a revelation. I'd love to have seen
a few of them introduced as they have done in
the women's and the women's matches. That's what we need
to be seeing. And I frankly if guys want to
go and ply their trade. All proud of them. Go
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and do it, but don't expect to get a league
back up. I want to see these younger players, and
there seems to be a real proliferation of them in
the game. It looks pretty healthy. I'd like to see
that more so, you know, I'm diverted off bit, but
I think we've missed a tricky for the men's men's side,
we really have.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Yeah, you make a good point there in terms of
comparing against the women's game, because they got there because
of their domestic form. But do I smell that you
don't like the idea of seifert Alan and Nisham playing
in this series. We should go with the players who've
done the job at home.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I absolutely, I think, particularly when I look at the
Pakistan side who seem to have left you know, two
or three well known players that we you know, know
the normally these player we don't even know who they are.
So that they have got an experimental side and that
they're having a look. This was a great opportunity for frankly,
which is doesn't have a lot of meaning these matches
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in the context of anything. Great opportunity for to blood
some of our younger players. I just think we've we've
missed an opportunity here to get more more into them.
I see that Hay is being picked, but I'd love
to see some other other other younger players or guys
have going form in domestic cricket get a chance. I
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really would.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Can't disagree Jerry, now, I can't. I can't disagree with that. Really.
Sears was there, wasn't he He came back as well, still
quite a youngster. But and then there's there's Sodi. Of
course I think he is contracted, isn't he?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (18:33):
And so and Duffy of course is the same. He's
as still quite a developing kind of player, still picking
up wickets throughout. But I take Moose's point about the
two openers, and they've tended to dominate things, haven't they
against a weaker Pakistan side. Pakistan will get better, They're
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not silly, and they learned from their first game when
they only scored ninety to that second match, and the
need and a rather eccentric sort of shape ground and
one side longer than the other, and short straight pits
and so on, so that encourages shorter pits and bowling.
But I thought they improved and as they continue to
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do it at that rate that they will get a
lot out of the series, and perhaps more than some
of the New Zealanders. Who knows. We'll wait and wait
and see.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I think that point is an interesting one because there's
not much we can take out of the series as
far so far as that we've had two games. New
Zealand have proven that even on the second side, we
can beat the Pakistan third side. But that doesn't really
matter as such. Our players are basically doing the job
that we that we want them to do, and you
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make a fair point out of that one.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Most just just just back to the women. I really
am looking forward to seeing this Australian team here again,
and in particular one playoff. So I'm diverting back again
and dropping an but the one particular play is and
she's an emerging probably one of the probably best players
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in the world, Annabelle Sutherland. Find better decent bowler. I
think we're going to get rolled over, but I'm just
looking forward to seeing seeing them here once again on
our shores just quickly. I just wouldn't want to let
that one go for a moment.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Interesting and we will see them in the three T
twenties playing double headers with the men against Pakistan. So
that's good encouraging stuff. Just a couple of other things
to talk about. I forget the plankt Hield is getting
to an interesting stage. And I know you two will
be very delighted with the fact that the Firebirds are
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back on top. And it's not the fact that they're
back on top, but it's the way they got back
on top. I don't know if you sort of kept
close contact with the game that they play against Canterbury,
but to me it was a remarkable game of cricket.
Three fifty sixty eight in response two twenty five hundred
to get and Canterbury got four hundred and eighty three
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Nickels scoring one hundred and seventy hundred and eighty or
something like that. To me, that was a remarkable game
of cricket.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Jerry certainly was well. Moose was the one who actually
highlighted it to me when they were just having a
bit of a chat, and so Moose, you might you
might sort of tell us a little bit more about that, obviously,
I think was it was it young husband got a
few wickets the leg spinner for Wellington and the second innings.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I mean, what I loved about it was is, you know,
I guess traditionalist, old school and all that sort of stuff.
And of course, frankly br I call them the Wellington
cricket team as opposed to whatever I suppose. Sorry, but
what I really liked four day game, Canterbury got got
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rolled out. It's I gather the ball was hooping around
a bit. Who knew the swinging ball could cause troubles
the chaps if you get an opportunity YouTube he bowls
mcconchie with a with a with a big end swinger
and yeah, nothing that you didn't see from from from
our mat Larnce Kens back in the day. But that
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was an absolute ripper. And I just so they bowled
for six sixty sixty sixty eight, set him five hundred
plus runs, and I'm listening on the radio and I'm
hearing they've got one hundred and eighteen to get with
five wickets in hand. But what was really also good
is you're looking at and we and we have problems
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at the moment because a lot of our our crickets
probably are not If you're like for the longer version
of the game match fit but Van Bakebold thirty plus
overs young has in Bold forty one overs old. Just
good old school cricket, so Monny and yeah they've got
the quicks going. You've got a leak spinner at the
other end going. Now this is this is just good
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stuff and I wish it got more our publicity. Pretty
good game Northern Districts against Auckland as well. The interesting
game coming up as Wellington are starting on Friday. I
think it is probably at the basin against Northern Districts.
I think they go through into the final being one
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and two, but very good cricket and guys getting runs.
There was a chap called Cooper, which I assume is
connected to Barry Cooper, right, yes, our son, there you go.
So that's let's lovely to here and and he got
one hundred and forty odd the other day. You know,
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the guys getting big scores and learning that those are
the things which I just think are great for the
for our is developing. And when I see South Australia
playing Queensland, it's rather lamentable that we don't get an
opportunity to see m D playing Wellington.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
That was The point I wanted to make out of
all of this was we get live free. Will you
get it on Sky? You get Australia domestic cricket that
you can watch. You can't even hear domestic cricket in
New Zealand on the radio. What is New Zealand Cricket
doing about promoting the game. These are great games of cricket.
We talk about that school board and there have been
others in the plunket shield, yet we don't get to
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see or hear about them, and that's something that has
got to be fixed. We're coming to an end of
the day. We've got a heap of emails.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Once can I mention? Can I mention something quickly? Please?
It is a hat cut challenge Hot cuts three day crickets.
We know they were always one innings matches and the
the team holding the Hawk Cup usually batted for two
and three quarters days and then declared, giving the other
guys a third of a day to chase five thousand
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and Taranaki made. They were all out for three hundred
and sixteen. They were playing Canterbury Country for the Hawk Cup.
In Canterbury Country were struggling a bit and they but
they had a late partnership as well between Or Deare
who was it Roundnat Kapoua batting at number ten and
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will Williams's who plays for Lancashire. He's a bowler in
Lancashire and he got a forty and this Capua fifty two,
six sixs and two fours got fifty two and they
got through chasing that three hundred and sixteen. They got
to three hundred and eleven and then there was tea.
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They came out after tea and they lost the last
two wickets so they lost the game by five runs.
A damn good match over three days as well in
the Hawke Cup challenge too.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Hawk Cup cricket was the most tough upbringing you could
ever have. When you went there were there were long memories,
there were grudges.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Yeah, people never get one innings.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Oh yeah, and you know you made sure you stayed
in your crease. Hih criche It was. It was tough,
hard cricket. Yeah no, yeah, bring some memories back.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Interesting too once Henry Shipley playing for the Canterbury Country
and also Robbie Folks. Robbie Folks as well, and the
Will Williams is so So it's interesting, isn't it that
that those names are starting to come through, and brothers
and those sorts of things.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Times against us. But an email from an anonymous source
those last week, Jeremy Coney said he doesn't sing at
special constants. He sets up in picton. But I've got
a photo and a message from someone who went to
see Jerry with his pacemaker live. He says he told
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pork Is he does sing with the microphone on. I
was just wondering what it was, Jerry with his pacemaker
or Leonard Coney.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Oh look very good as I'm off and down in
that part of the world, and you know the moment
that that that the evenings that Jerry is there, they
literally have to shut the shut the door early because
the demand is so great.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
They turn.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Yeah, these are people wanting indigestion badly.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
A lot of the people from the various institutions have
probably left and they have to be taken back home.
But they're putting that to one side. I know Jerry
is Jerry is talented in many, many areas, not least
of which is in the areas of music and singing,
and I believe he does a very very good James Taylor.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Oh well, I mean his promotion last week obviously attracted
a fullhouse because people were and actually taking photos. I
couldn't believe the photo that I got and I could
see the pacemaker was working really well from Jerry, and
it's good to.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Know we are called Jerry and the Pacemaker the pacement.
Well I'm the Jerry of course and the pacemaker is
the pianist, so there are two of us playing, So
there we are. Yeah. So anyway, this is this is
not important to Saudi cricket. I've got to say.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
No, but there may well be a contract for you
to sing in the dressing room at some stage in
the near future. And with that yes and rear, we'll
go and contemplates what the Saudi cricketers likely to do.
Thank you for your time, guys, look forward to getting
into issues that are important to cricketers and those of
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Join us again next week on the front Pink Face
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Take it on the.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
It's chard, it is out, the test is over. Couldn't
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Speaker 1 (00:35):
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Speaker 3 (00:46):
Hello, We're on the front put again. Nice to have
you with us. Coming up this week, Dopy Devine returns
to the White Funds for the Aussie series of free
t twenties. Black Caps non contracted players have given another
chance to qualify for the World Cup. We'll be and
some well alarming news or is it good news for
(01:09):
the game of cricket. It's just emanating out of Australia.
That's a Saudi backed Global twenty twenty league is looking
to take off. They've got megabucks to spend. It sounds
as though Greg Norman's mates are in the action, but
it's all been set up by the Australian Cricketers Association
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and ultimately the Australian Cricket Board. The league would be
owned primarily by the ICC and and Saudi Arabia's public
Investment Fund, with a smaller state for the players. Here
it is four annual tournaments will be played over a
week each in iconic locations around the world, followed by
a final at year's end. The eight city based teams
(01:56):
would be chosen for their cultural cachet, whatever that means.
Jeremy Caty's with us and a regular contributor to the program.
Peter Holland Moose joins us. One more firstly, JC, do
we need another T twenty tournament? I know the money's great,
but do we need another month to six weeks of
(02:17):
T twenty cricket for the rich?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Well, that's the first question you ask yourself, isn't it
as you look at these things, you know this is
something new, it's in other words, it's additional. This is not,
you know, a schedule that's already crammed at a tipping
point and overflowing really and a desperate need to kind
(02:43):
of rationalize and reorganize it so that it has some
meaningful organization and so, and this is something new, as
you say, could be four weeks, five weeks, six weeks,
there's a final as well. I think there are eight teams,
aren't there brands? Is that what I read that?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
So yeah, that that's the first thing I think that
you begin to think about. I did read there. I
think they will use vacant windows in the year to
run it. Well, I'm not sure where are those vacant
places to run this thing? You know, there's literally nowhere
(03:26):
and so I mean there's always somewhere where high level
cricket is being played. So that is an issue. I
think that's an issue. Yes, indeed, so just loads more
squeeze squeeze on bilateral games if it goes ahead.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Peter Holand what do you think a Wellington team called
the Hurricanes or the Phoenix or perhaps the Auckland Gladiators,
the Canterbury Crusaders or wow, I don't know, is it necessary.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
The one thing that I would say is that you
use the word cachet. Well, they've got plenty of that.
And he thought that they would be holding World World
Championships and boxing in Saudi three years ago, four years ago,
you wouldn't have thought of that. They're holding soccer leagues,
paying amount of money they're paying. The people are Ronaldo
(04:20):
and so on. The thing is with these people, when
you've got that much capital, it's hard to rule them
out because they just become serious. Absent capital, that then
it becomes a nonsense. But money will speak and we
know that the players will follow that. Now, whether it
fails in a period of time, I don't know. So look,
(04:42):
take it seriously. I think you have to, simply because
they've got more money than they know what to do with,
and they seem to be collecting sports, Tennis is apparently
it seems. It seems seems sort of in their eyesight,
nothing is off limits to them, and hey, it's their money,
(05:04):
their capital. So I just think we watch and wait,
gee whiz, you wouldn't mind being young cricketer these days, would.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
You if there's that opportunity for young cricket. Of the players,
the money seems to go to the same people over
and over again, and that's usually those who hold the
purse strings get most of the money anyway. But it'll
be interesting they talk about it being able to fund
Test cricket, and there's a lot of talk to be had.
It's it's not even up and coming. But when you've
(05:33):
got people who are being asked for questions and they
have no comment to make you know it's alive, and
well don't you, Jerry.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
You do And it's actually I think been planned for
some time once. I think it's been going for a
year or two now. They've been discussing this, and certainly
we've all noticed that Saudi money has been sniffing around cricket.
It's in the IPL, We've all seen those that's in
(06:03):
the ICC. We've seen the words of Ramco and all
those kinds of names. And they've got plenty of money
to involve and influence what they would like to do
with it. And they're talking about half a billion here.
Whether they're going to work with India is a pike
(06:25):
guess a possibility with the IPL and then have it
go on to the Saudi one the SPL. I don't know.
The interesting thing you mentioned there at the beginning that
I noticed was Ozzie's been involved through the association the
players associate their union in other words, and I just wondered,
(06:49):
did they get in Are they trying to get in
early and influence where some of that Saudi money might
possibly go rather than perhaps in the Indian direction they
might bring it in a different sort of place, and
the way they're presenting it seems to be this is
(07:10):
a very good place because we're going to be helping.
We're not going to be engaged, you know in times
where we're pushing other things aside. Well, I don't think
that's going to happen. But that's what they're saying. But
it's but linking it to the funding of cricket. You
just wonder whether they're trying to pull things away from
(07:34):
the Indian direction. I just wondered that in the back
of my mind when I saw that if that's what
they're trying to sort of influence, rather than pushing more
that way where we all know it is, to pull
it somewhere else. And maybe that's what the Australian players
(07:56):
and the and the ACR trying to do. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
One of those trying to generate it as a fellow
called Neil Maxwell of course, who well he was here
Cricket Association. He worked for New Zealand many years ago.
He's the manager of Pat Cummins, of all people. And
the interesting thing we see is that they've also been
in discussion with the Chairman of the World Cricketers Association
(08:24):
or whether it's called. And his name is Heath Mills,
so he's obviously known about it for quite some time.
Heath Mills of the New Zealand Cricket Players Association. It's
got legs most it's got legs.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
The only thing that I'll say is the other thing
I'll say is that just perhaps some form of competing offer.
And I noticed that they're looking at the sweet spot
potentially for those cricket associations outside of the top three
(08:57):
being austral At, England and India. Yeah, cash poor, some
of the messages are trying to appeal to them. So
funny way, perhaps the likes of West Indies and those
less well off New Zealand included there could be a
(09:19):
beneficiary of all this money dropping out of their pockets
for the game. I'm not sure that I particularly like
the idea, but it'll be interesting. This, this sort of
a little bit of a potential power grab for the
sport may have its benefits to those other cricketing countries perhaps.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Who knows.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Yeah, that's right, they're trying. They're appealing to that, aren't they.
That's that all of us when we read that, And
I think if anyone reads that, you think, ah, that's
really good. We like the sound of that. We'll just
have to wait and see if it happens, you know.
The other thought, the last thought I had was very
quickly save Sydney as one of the eight teams. As
(10:05):
they're putting it around cities. They at the stage, I mean,
are all the best Australian players go to be whipped
into the Sydney team. Is the Auckland side going to
have all the best New Zealand sides? Is the London
team going to have all the best English sides? Will
that in the end replace International T twenty cricket is
(10:28):
a sort of a thought that bubbles to the surface
of my mind too.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Well, there's benefits of that, and that would be the
case if it's going to be city. You just can't
pick a Wellington team. You've got to pick the best
of New Zealand. If it's going to be that's right
team per country. And it'll be interesting to see what
the plans are because it hasn't even been put forward
to the ICC yet. But it was interesting just to
(10:53):
read this article and it was written by a philler
called Dan Bretti. Is probably the prominent cricket journalist or
one of them in Australia, and he will have much
of the information in his hands. So we will watch
this for a lot of interest in it. I will
come up over the.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Was this morning that the head of English cricket, I
forget the guy's name this morning said that they wouldn't
have an interest. But the other great thing about the
Saudi cricket that it would be a great for women's cricket
as well. Of course probably not.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Especially the Afghanistan Afghanistan woman. Perhaps, Yes, they can't seem
to get it. They can only get a game on
Australia on a regular base. We'll watch with interest and
keep you up to date as those things developed.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Sophie Divines back in the New Zealand side, the White Ferns.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Yeah, look, probably it's got to a point where I
needed to step away for a little bit. Obviously the
last twelve eighteen months have been massive for me personally,
but also the White Fans group, the amount of cricket
that we've played, obviously winning the World Cup and things
like that, and it probably hit me a little bit
harder than I realized and for me, with the support
of New Zealand Cricket, you know, family fans, I've been
really fortunate to be able to have that time away.
I think something that I'm you know, really big on
(12:14):
is that mental health and making sure that you do
take the time. So yeah, look, just really thankful for
the support that I've received, not only from but from
people as well well wishes. It's been really nice. So yeah,
to be able to go away spend some time has
been good. Oh look, and this year I've certainly switched
off from everything. I think probably refer it more to hibernation,
sort of been into hiding a little bit, but certainly
the last couple of weeks have been watching tuning in
(12:36):
and keeping tabs on them. Have been super impressed with
obviously a lot of new faces coming into the group
and their ability to stand up has been really exciting.
So it's been awesome. It's been awesome to watch the
group from afar whatever happens. I've always been a back
of white fans, but it's cool to be back in
the environment and something that you know, I absolutely love doing.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
So to's ameliaccur goodness welcome back. She just want a
trophy in the Women's League IPL in India. Congratulations to
her for that. They drawn a series with Sri Lanka
without probably nearly a dozen players who are experienced and
(13:13):
have been injured. They've picked aside to play Australia Baits, Carson, Devine,
Green Halliday, Engles, James Jonas, two Kerza, Georgia Plimmer and
Lea to Whoho. Tough on some of those young players.
(13:33):
He came into the Sri Lankan series, Jerry, because I
thought that there were good signs through Brie Illing and
also Emma McLeod. Perhaps not up to it yet, but
is there an indication this depth there in the women's game.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Well, it's starting to show. Just a new green shoots,
isn't it, Brian? And that was the exciting thing, I'm
sure for a lot of people as they watched those
two games. Very similar matches, similar totals were first in
his collapse and some easy chases. But yeah, I agree,
I think Brieling for a start, left arm swings it
(14:11):
a little bit, got a really good wicket in the
second match. Did she bowling one of the openers? And
that's you like to see that she likes to bowl
short too and get a bit more attacking. If she
can add to her pace a little bit, great, But
she's left arm and that's something we haven't seen really
that much. I like the look of some of the
(14:33):
youth coming through. I like Engles. Okay, she didn't get
many runs, but she looks aggressive and competitive behind the stumps,
and I just think with the bat too, and you
can just see she's in the game and she's becoming
quite a focal point in the team. I thought, once
the team are in the field, so that was good.
I think Plimmer, even though we've known about her, I
(14:57):
thought there was improvement and development. Even though the runs
weren't there's her fielding was good. She's out in important position,
she was getting run outs. I think we're seeing as
someone growing in confidence as far as she is concerned.
Emma McLeod got a forty and eleven or something like that.
(15:18):
Forty had to run a ball and so I think
a Devon show was there as well. Carsons. They're quite young.
So there are some new names. Is he sharp?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
You know?
Speaker 4 (15:30):
So these are names we haven't heard of much. Very
pleasing to see them being used. May not be the
full finished article yet, but they're there and they will
get some confidence.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah, we've talked about this women's side most for a
period of time and they really haven't fronted up consistently.
What we need to see from them is consistency. But
what I like about the side they picked when they
had injury problems was they selected players on their domestic form,
so they had shone some skills domestically and were rewarded
(16:04):
for it and didn't appear to out of place against
the stro Concide No.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And it contrasts significantly with the men's lineups, where we're
reverted back to those who don't want to take contracts.
And I would have thought it was a great opportunity
to introduce very fine young players who seemed to emerging
in this format. And I recall the final CD one
(16:32):
ut with a couple of really good veterans Cleaver and Bruce,
but some young players who look really, really good and
it was quite a revelation. I'd love to have seen
a few of them introduced as they have done in
the women's and the women's matches. That's what we need
to be seeing. And I frankly if guys want to
go and ply their trade. All proud of them. Go
(16:55):
and do it, but don't expect to get a league
back up. I want to see these younger players, and
there seems to be a real proliferation of them in
the game. It looks pretty healthy. I'd like to see
that more so, you know, I'm diverted off bit, but
I think we've missed a tricky for the men's men's side,
we really have.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Yeah, you make a good point there in terms of
comparing against the women's game, because they got there because
of their domestic form. But do I smell that you
don't like the idea of seifert Alan and Nisham playing
in this series. We should go with the players who've
done the job at home.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I absolutely, I think, particularly when I look at the
Pakistan side who seem to have left you know, two
or three well known players that we you know, know
the normally these player we don't even know who they are.
So that they have got an experimental side and that
they're having a look. This was a great opportunity for frankly,
which is doesn't have a lot of meaning these matches
(17:54):
in the context of anything. Great opportunity for to blood
some of our younger players. I just think we've we've
missed an opportunity here to get more more into them.
I see that Hay is being picked, but I'd love
to see some other other other younger players or guys
have going form in domestic cricket get a chance. I
(18:16):
really would.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Can't disagree Jerry, now, I can't. I can't disagree with that. Really.
Sears was there, wasn't he He came back as well, still
quite a youngster. But and then there's there's Sodi. Of
course I think he is contracted, isn't he?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (18:33):
And so and Duffy of course is the same. He's
as still quite a developing kind of player, still picking
up wickets throughout. But I take Moose's point about the
two openers, and they've tended to dominate things, haven't they
against a weaker Pakistan side. Pakistan will get better, They're
(18:58):
not silly, and they learned from their first game when
they only scored ninety to that second match, and the
need and a rather eccentric sort of shape ground and
one side longer than the other, and short straight pits
and so on, so that encourages shorter pits and bowling.
But I thought they improved and as they continue to
(19:18):
do it at that rate that they will get a
lot out of the series, and perhaps more than some
of the New Zealanders. Who knows. We'll wait and wait
and see.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I think that point is an interesting one because there's
not much we can take out of the series as
far so far as that we've had two games. New
Zealand have proven that even on the second side, we
can beat the Pakistan third side. But that doesn't really
matter as such. Our players are basically doing the job
that we that we want them to do, and you
(19:52):
make a fair point out of that one.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Most just just just back to the women. I really
am looking forward to seeing this Australian team here again,
and in particular one playoff. So I'm diverting back again
and dropping an but the one particular play is and
she's an emerging probably one of the probably best players
(20:14):
in the world, Annabelle Sutherland. Find better decent bowler. I
think we're going to get rolled over, but I'm just
looking forward to seeing seeing them here once again on
our shores just quickly. I just wouldn't want to let
that one go for a moment.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Interesting and we will see them in the three T
twenties playing double headers with the men against Pakistan. So
that's good encouraging stuff. Just a couple of other things
to talk about. I forget the plankt Hield is getting
to an interesting stage. And I know you two will
be very delighted with the fact that the Firebirds are
(20:57):
back on top. And it's not the fact that they're
back on top, but it's the way they got back
on top. I don't know if you sort of kept
close contact with the game that they play against Canterbury,
but to me it was a remarkable game of cricket.
Three fifty sixty eight in response two twenty five hundred
to get and Canterbury got four hundred and eighty three
(21:21):
Nickels scoring one hundred and seventy hundred and eighty or
something like that. To me, that was a remarkable game
of cricket.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Jerry certainly was well. Moose was the one who actually
highlighted it to me when they were just having a
bit of a chat, and so Moose, you might you
might sort of tell us a little bit more about that, obviously,
I think was it was it young husband got a
few wickets the leg spinner for Wellington and the second innings.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I mean, what I loved about it was is, you know,
I guess traditionalist, old school and all that sort of stuff.
And of course, frankly br I call them the Wellington
cricket team as opposed to whatever I suppose. Sorry, but
what I really liked four day game, Canterbury got got
(22:13):
rolled out. It's I gather the ball was hooping around
a bit. Who knew the swinging ball could cause troubles
the chaps if you get an opportunity YouTube he bowls
mcconchie with a with a with a big end swinger
and yeah, nothing that you didn't see from from from
our mat Larnce Kens back in the day. But that
(22:35):
was an absolute ripper. And I just so they bowled
for six sixty sixty sixty eight, set him five hundred
plus runs, and I'm listening on the radio and I'm
hearing they've got one hundred and eighteen to get with
five wickets in hand. But what was really also good
is you're looking at and we and we have problems
(22:58):
at the moment because a lot of our our crickets
probably are not If you're like for the longer version
of the game match fit but Van Bakebold thirty plus
overs young has in Bold forty one overs old. Just
good old school cricket, so Monny and yeah they've got
the quicks going. You've got a leak spinner at the
other end going. Now this is this is just good
(23:19):
stuff and I wish it got more our publicity. Pretty
good game Northern Districts against Auckland as well. The interesting
game coming up as Wellington are starting on Friday. I
think it is probably at the basin against Northern Districts.
I think they go through into the final being one
(23:40):
and two, but very good cricket and guys getting runs.
There was a chap called Cooper, which I assume is
connected to Barry Cooper, right, yes, our son, there you go.
So that's let's lovely to here and and he got
one hundred and forty odd the other day. You know,
(24:01):
the guys getting big scores and learning that those are
the things which I just think are great for the
for our is developing. And when I see South Australia
playing Queensland, it's rather lamentable that we don't get an
opportunity to see m D playing Wellington.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
That was The point I wanted to make out of
all of this was we get live free. Will you
get it on Sky? You get Australia domestic cricket that
you can watch. You can't even hear domestic cricket in
New Zealand on the radio. What is New Zealand Cricket
doing about promoting the game. These are great games of cricket.
We talk about that school board and there have been
others in the plunket shield, yet we don't get to
(24:45):
see or hear about them, and that's something that has
got to be fixed. We're coming to an end of
the day. We've got a heap of emails.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Once can I mention? Can I mention something quickly? Please?
It is a hat cut challenge Hot cuts three day crickets.
We know they were always one innings matches and the
the team holding the Hawk Cup usually batted for two
and three quarters days and then declared, giving the other
guys a third of a day to chase five thousand
(25:19):
and Taranaki made. They were all out for three hundred
and sixteen. They were playing Canterbury Country for the Hawk Cup.
In Canterbury Country were struggling a bit and they but
they had a late partnership as well between Or Deare
who was it Roundnat Kapoua batting at number ten and
(25:40):
will Williams's who plays for Lancashire. He's a bowler in
Lancashire and he got a forty and this Capua fifty two,
six sixs and two fours got fifty two and they
got through chasing that three hundred and sixteen. They got
to three hundred and eleven and then there was tea.
(26:01):
They came out after tea and they lost the last
two wickets so they lost the game by five runs.
A damn good match over three days as well in
the Hawke Cup challenge too.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Hawk Cup cricket was the most tough upbringing you could
ever have. When you went there were there were long memories,
there were grudges.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Yeah, people never get one innings.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Oh yeah, and you know you made sure you stayed
in your crease. Hih criche It was. It was tough,
hard cricket. Yeah no, yeah, bring some memories back.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Interesting too once Henry Shipley playing for the Canterbury Country
and also Robbie Folks. Robbie Folks as well, and the
Will Williams is so So it's interesting, isn't it that
that those names are starting to come through, and brothers
and those sorts of things.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Times against us. But an email from an anonymous source
those last week, Jeremy Coney said he doesn't sing at
special constants. He sets up in picton. But I've got
a photo and a message from someone who went to
see Jerry with his pacemaker live. He says he told
(27:25):
pork Is he does sing with the microphone on. I
was just wondering what it was, Jerry with his pacemaker
or Leonard Coney.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Oh look very good as I'm off and down in
that part of the world, and you know the moment
that that that the evenings that Jerry is there, they
literally have to shut the shut the door early because
the demand is so great.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
They turn.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Yeah, these are people wanting indigestion badly.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
A lot of the people from the various institutions have
probably left and they have to be taken back home.
But they're putting that to one side. I know Jerry
is Jerry is talented in many, many areas, not least
of which is in the areas of music and singing,
and I believe he does a very very good James Taylor.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Oh well, I mean his promotion last week obviously attracted
a fullhouse because people were and actually taking photos. I
couldn't believe the photo that I got and I could
see the pacemaker was working really well from Jerry, and
it's good to.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Know we are called Jerry and the Pacemaker the pacement.
Well I'm the Jerry of course and the pacemaker is
the pianist, so there are two of us playing, So
there we are. Yeah. So anyway, this is this is
not important to Saudi cricket. I've got to say.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
No, but there may well be a contract for you
to sing in the dressing room at some stage in
the near future. And with that yes and rear, we'll
go and contemplates what the Saudi cricketers likely to do.
Thank you for your time, guys, look forward to getting
into issues that are important to cricketers and those of
(29:19):
us who love singing with our facemaker and that's wonderful.
Join us again next week on the front Pink Face
Guy all the.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
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