April 28, 2025 • 35 mins
This week on On The Front Foot, Bryan Waddle and Jeremy Coney discuss the merits of New Zealand Cricket’s plan to join Major League Cricket, give their reactions to the Wisden Almanacs challenge to the ICC, and pay tribute to the late Keith Stackpole.
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Hello on the Front put back with you.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
What's up this week? Well?
Speaker 5 (00:51):
A share in an upcoming MLC venture an unnamed team,
no venue? Is it a risky business venture or possible
financial windfall of front? A New Zealand game, sad to
hear the passing of Keith Stackpole, aged eighty four men
who I call a likable Australian because he was a
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very friendly man, but he possessed a lethal blade when
he played. And plans for the New Zealand a squad
in Bangladesh. What do they want to achieve? Colin Munroe
getting upside too with umpires in the Prakistan League. But
some interesting cricket points to talk about this week, and
I've invited along two of my financial experts to help
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me in this adventure that New Zealand cricket game for
Jeremy Coney with a fist of shares in every major
company the world over, and Peter Holland who sold them
to him, have how along to day to help me
decide what is going on? Do you think we can
sort this issue out? Guys? Just a quick one before
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we explain what it is. How do you feel about
the venture idea?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Jerry Mixed. Don't know enough about what the what the
contract actually is at the moment. I don't even are
they paying money for it?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Well, that's the thing that I think has to be determined.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
What about you most it is something of a dilemma
for ENZIDC. Do you sit on your hands do nothing
or do you look to expand your operations in your
and your business? It's it's it's a it's a question companies, businesses,
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organizations are frequently faced with and and INSC along with others.
Is a is it a really difficult phase now, particularly
with the proliferation of this franchise cricket. So yeah, I'm
on the fence each way, but but I do have
some views around what I've picked up and can glean.
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So we can talk about that a bit later.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Yeah, we'll talk about that in the moment. Just explain
what it is for those who may have missed it.
I don't know where you've been if you have, but
it's been in the news. But Cricket has agreed terms
with the American company True North Sports Ventures to launch
a new Major Cricket League franchise and that's to debut
in twenty twenty seven. So we don't know what it's
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going to be called, where it's going to be based.
The MLC Major League Cricket founders co founders Samir Matter
and VJ. Sheron of Arsen are the majority owners of
entities which hold exclusive rights to own and operate to
MLC expansion franchises. There's a lot of words, isn't it,
The first of which will be launched by TNS and
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twenty twenty seven. Now, this guy Trinavasen owns the television
company that or is the chief executive of the television company.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
That is going to show all this game.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Firstly, it's here from Cricket Chief executive Scott weeningk on
this bold announcement through the week.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
What it does mean for Jilling cricket is that gives
us an opportunity to continue to be innovative just as
we are on the field, but also innovative off the
field by looking for new opportunities to grow our revenue
streams and diversify our revenue streams. Yes, so what we'll
be doing is partnering with the founders of Major League
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Cricket to essentially provide the high performance services to one
of their new franchises. We'll also have an opportunity to
invest in that franchise as well, you know, take an
equity stake. But for our high performance team it you know,
it means that there's a pathway for both players, coaches, managers,
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strength and conditioning experts, physios to actually do some work
in franchise cricket in another part.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Of the world.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
We see this as a huge opportunity for these young
cricket network as a whole. Players and coaches and the
major associations will also be able to take advantage of
the opportunities that this is going to create for our
cricket network.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
So seen as a bold announcements, innovative move by some others,
a risky venture, Jerry says it's hard to know at
the moment what it will entail. It's nice to think
that New Zealand Cricket may be able to generate revenue
from this jerry, but is there a risk involved and
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what's it going to cost that I think of the
things that we need to consider at the moment, isn't
it Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I think. Look, I'm not a necessor of whether an
investment is a sound one or not. That's more Moose's business, really,
But I do wonder if a sports team is a
reliable investment or not. It depends how good they are,
I guess. And as you pointed out, there are no
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players yet, there are no coaches, there's no ground, there's
no games for this team, and you know there are
no fans to follow them and go along and watch
them and pay some money for it. So it feels
that at this stage you just don't know quite what
to say from a cricket perspective rather than investment one.
(06:11):
You know, if New Zealand are offering players and a
place for coaches to go and a place for management
to go and high performance they've talked about and as
he mentions, a seven figure sum there, so that's between
one and nine million, isn't it Can New Zealand Cricket
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afford that? Is sport the right place to put the money. Anyway,
if they want to diversify a bit their revenue stream,
it would be disappointing to me if New Zealand Cricket cut,
for example, a competition in order to pay for this,
like say the Under seventeens or an a tour or
the Hawk Cup, in order to lower domestic costs to
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enable it, that would be a disappointment if their development things.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Most there's an element of risk in anything you do,
isn't there in terms of talking finance, and I guess
New Zealand crickets response onsibility is to foster and develop
the game in New Zealand, and as Jerry says, run
these competitions and fund them. And we don't know whether
any of them are going to be a cut because
of that. But I suppose, as you say, we have
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to look for other ways to finance the game because
the ic C quite clearly through television rights and not
going to fund it the same way as they have
in the past.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I heard an interesting interview with Scott Weene which which
clarified in my minds now again you haven't seen fine
print around what this. The use of the word investment
seems to be somewhat jumbled, because investment implies we're putting
some version of capital into an entity. The seven figures
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that when it was discussing, was a remuneration for the
delivery of a high performance program for this team, for
which they would be they would be paid. So this
is not players. This was coaches, psykes, physios, essentially the
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infrastructure in setting up a franchise club for which they'll
have to do anyway. But INSI see, will deliver the
intellectual property and therefore the people around that, as I said,
not players for which they will receive compensation remuneration. I
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understand that they've actually getted some sort of option to
invest into the franchise, which seems to make some sense.
Now one can invest into that. So say, for instance,
the seven figure fund for fund for the setting up
of this business and supplying of coaches, pikes, physios, etc.
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We'll say five million. What they could easily do is say, well,
I'll take three and a half, but i'll leave one
and a half in the bin, for which I will
be given in inequity share in other words, it's the
phrase used for that as an earning or otherwise known
as sweet equity. In other words, I've worked for it,
so I leave that in the business. So it may
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be that in terms of, you know, in banker terms,
it's a cash neutral. They're not actually putting money in,
but they are getting to their revenue line. In my
example here three and a half million or what they
could elect to take the lot the fight, in which
case that would be reinvested into the end zen cricket.
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In other words, what they're doing, what they're implying when
it was implying, was we get our revenue streams as
they currently are. But this is another way to boost
what cash in the coffers by supplying and delivering talent
in the form that we just described to this franchise.
The other thing that strikes me about this is that
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I'll compete with other franchises. It seems to be very
well capitalized and others. There seems to be a lot
of cash in behind this the MLC as it is,
So if you're going to go into something, you might
as well go where the money is, and that may
have some benefits. Bearing in mind that the MLC has
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also played out of season for US, so that works
as well. So it shouldn't interfere with a lot of
what cricket delivers during our summer long and lengthy. But
I hopefully that sort of breaks it down a bit.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Yeah, I think. I mean, it's certainly a good time
for Indian viewing in America. Those two guys that Wats
mentioned they actually own is it Willow TV, which is
going to show this and stream us. Four of the
six sides at the moment are owned by the IPL.
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I mean, there's a Los Angeles Night Riders, you can
tell where that comes from. There's the Mumbai Indian New
York who won it last year. You know where that
comes from. There's the Seattle Orcs which is owned by
GMR Group. They own the Delhi Capitals, and there's the
Super Kings as well. And the Washington Freedom. Actually you're
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talking about Talent Mos. Sanjay Goval owns them. He's an
Indian American businessman and they have a New South Wales
as their performance partner. They provide the same sorts of
things you are talking about for the Washington Freedom. Another side,
so it could.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Be Victoria similarly has an arrangement somewhere in there in
this as well. So Victoria and New South Wales seem
to be providing similar type of services.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
So that's not a national body, is it, which is
slightly different?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
No, not completely, but yeah, I guess that's an example
of it. So perhaps there's some piggybacking on what New
South Wales are doing, so that perhaps has some merit.
So we're not it's always good to be a follower
rather than the first in there and in case you
get a bad.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Yeah, or New South Wales is the venue that Neil
Maxwell is involved in, and he's involved in the development
of a number of these programs, the World Cricket Association,
et cetera, et cetera. I mean there's so many of
them developing now. The interesting thing that Scott Winning said
in the press releases, as franchise cricket grows globally, New
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Zealand Cricket needs to adapt to seize strategic opportunities that
ensure the sustainability of our cricket network. This helps to
diversify our revenue streams, expands our global brand and fan base,
and creates new talent development and retention pathways for both
our players and coaches. A word salad really, isn't it?
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But is that something that you know we have to
the fan base? I mean, how will New Zealanders log
on to this unnamed team? Will they become part of
the fan base or will we be relying on American
fan base, Indians who live in the United States or
West Indians who live in that part of the world.
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The other things that I suppose are extra add on,
don't they, Jerry. Whether or not it's going to generate
revenue is in the lap of the gods.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Look, I'm not going to follow this team Wads because
there's a New Zealand coach or a New Zealand physio
or and you know, I'm just not going.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
To do that.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
What you tend to follow as the players, don't you?
There the factors. Look at the moment, the rules of
this competition say there are nine overseas players allowed per side.
Now the New Zealand can't expect to get all of
those nine. They might get four, maybe five, but you
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wouldn't think it'd be much more than that. You're not
going to write off all the other players around the world,
are you? I think the other thing for me is
there are now over fifty men's and women's franchises tournaments
operating around the world. Fifty three I think it is now.
Even if it's an extraordinary number, if only two thirds
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of that number is correct, it's still a lot. Now.
The MLC at this stage is a fledgling tournament. It's
only been going since twenty twenty three. As I mentioned,
as six sides competing. Now, the US are keenon sport. Yeah,
but they already have their own bat and ball game,
don't they. Let's not forget that. But despite all the diaspora,
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which is all those West Indians and the Indians there
and the Pakistani's there where cricket is important, it's very
much cricket a probation of sport over in the US.
You know, there isn't the lega, see the knowledge, the
love of the game that you get. For example, in India,
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they won't have people lining up to play or to watch,
you know, the young won't be lying in their beds
dreaming about this, to follow this. It's not India or
the IPL where it's become a very tribal kind of thing,
you know, just where they go and follow their team.
They go to their ground. They have all their their merchandise.
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You know, it's like soccer is in England. So I
think this tournament is going to take some time if
it lasts, and very astute management, I would have thought.
To grow the interest and the development of the game
of a fan base, you need to be very proactive
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on the social I have good pricing all those kinds
of things. The next thing is you've mentioned Brian is
a venue and an infrastructure. I mean these six sides
last year have two grounds that they play on. Two
grounds of the six. They have the Grand Prairie Stadium
in Dallas, Texas. They have Church Street Park in North Carolina, Morrisville.
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The first eight games were played in Dallas, the next
seven were played in North Carolina and then back to Dallas.
So you're traveling all the time. If you're a follower,
you'd have to travel to watch your team or watch
it on the telly, of course. But you know they're
getting some names. Let's be fair, Mummins is going there
and this next one, Travis Head is there, Steve Smith
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is there. So the Aussies are coming. So that's fine,
that's fine, and I can certainly see a bonus for
Scott Wiener and those who are negotiating for New Zealand
Cricket when it comes to contract time with our players.
At the moment, the pay for play for New Zealand
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is nowhere near any franchise offer that the players get.
And all enz C can do really is to those
players is to say, well, it's for your country, it's
the heritage, it's where you come from and you play internationals. Now.
You know now if they have this operation, there's more negotiation,
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isn't there. You're getting your contract, plus you might get
a place in the Atlanta ard Varks or you might
be in the Toronto Termites, and they'll have a place
also for coaches and for management. So I can see
some bonuses, some merits, but there are also I think
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some downside. It clashes with the Sri Lankan League. We've
already got players there. It clashes with the first part
of the hundred, so there'll be players who are going
they'll have to go late to the hundred as well.
Once every four years we go to England in July
and that's when this tournament is played, so lesser players
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would be offered. I guess at that time, or we'd
have lesser players in the New Zealand side.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Yeah, that's some of the drawbacks that I guess will
have to be investigated over a couple of years. Well,
it's going to have to be done over a couple
of years. Twenty twenty seven is when it first comes forward.
And my other worry, Peter Holland, is one, will we
have to pay Donald Trump's tariffs? Your political knows would
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have been in that snout, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I suspect that that that's probably not not in the
on the Trump's des radar.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
It won't be on the list, just on that point.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Around grounds, I did some digging and somewhere I found
or heard that ten new grounds. I talked about this
being backed by a lot of people with capital, ten
new grounds are apparently being planned to be built now.
I don't know what the timing is, so they are
clearly aware of the constraints that you were talking about, Jerry.
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What I understood is that the MLC is the league
where the ten six growing to ten teams is, but
underneath there is a minor league where I gather there's
something like twenty six teams which will support that. So
In other words, I think they're trying to grow the game.
Bearing in mind that cricket now is in the Olympics
coming up, so they therefore in America obviously get automatic
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entry because being the host to the Olympics. So there's
I can sort of see where things are happening, but
I guess it's going to be quite fluid and a
bit of a moving target. But I think where I
land is if it means that an insit cricket is
going to get some cash coming in the door three
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four five million a year, that can only be a
good thing and provides opportunity to develop the infrastructure and
the intellectual property that we have for our coaches, our curators,
all those sort of people. I think it's only a
good thing.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
And doesn't put tournaments that we've run now at risk,
and that's fair enough. I quite agree with you.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
I agree with all that too.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
So it's going to be something interesting that we'll be
watching very closely over a period of time. Twenty twenty
seven when it comes to sort of cricket teams out
and new competitions is not that far away. And I'm
sure he's yelling cricket will have a lot more to say,
just a quick one because I was going to talk
or try and talk to the Wisdom editor this week,
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but I'll have to try and chase him down. But
the latest edition of The Wisdom Orban Act the Cricketer's Bible,
Lawrence Booth, the editor, says the World Test Championship is
a shambles masquerading as a show piece. And he's also
questioned Jay Shar's promotion from Board of Control of Cricket
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and India Secretary to the Chairman of the ICC. And
Lawrence Booth has turned his attention to the World Test
Championship and it's something we can discuss next week. But
it's interesting that he has really I mean, they're strong
words masquerading as a show piece. I tend to agree
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with them, do you, I do.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Well, it's a poor tournament, isn't it. Yeah, well, you know,
teams playing different numbers of games, teams playing some teams
and not others. Two Test match series, they're not really series.
They're a bit of a nonsense. We all know that
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if they go to three day tests, which I think
which is what Lawrence Booth was talking about, will that
mean four day tests that's a question that I have
in the back of my mind to get those through.
But Test cricket's been great in the last few years,
hasn't it. I mean, we've got we've got to admit that.
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I mean, actually you could argue it deserves some more
attention that it's getting. I remember that South African that
weak side that came here, that South Africa actually have
got no tests in their season coming up at home. None.
Not not South Africa's fault at all. It's the big
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three wanting to play each other and not wanting to
play the smaller sides Test champions. Well, how are India?
I mean, India are not going to play Pakistan and
tests are they? They're just not going to play them.
And in that case, in that case, yeah, give the
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points to Pakistan. I mean, that's that's the problem. You see,
no one is really challenging Pakistan, not even England and
Australia that they're they're not. And what we've got was
Shah going into the ic C chairman to me is
cementing an inequitable, already inequitable situation. So it's a very
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haphazard kind of system I think for for the Test championship.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
That said, I'd rather there was a championship, a competition
of sorts. Ye, it's with its weaknesses, but at least
in some way, shape or form, test matches have a
little bit of meaning. So if we do quite well,
then there's a chance of us playing in a in
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a in a championship. I just would hope that the
administrators are brave enough to acknowledge that in fact, with
some with some tweaks, it could actually be really really interesting.
And I know that in New Zealand our test matches
this past season were pretty much sold out.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
What does that say, Well, there's a popularity there. That's
that we don't get big numbers, of course, but the
popularity and people love the game. You know, England send
their barmie army out here, so it's something that you know.
I want to discuss with Lawrence Booth. He spoke to
us last year, remember when the Wisdom came out. So
I'll get a touch with him in the middle of
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the night while I'm watching domestic cricket in England on
the television. Jerry and if he's prepared to join us.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
I got to say.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
One of his best lines was and I love this
line talking about the World Test Championship and the fact
that you know it was decided on percentage of et
C and he says the ic C cannot allow the
Championship to continue as if designed on the back of
a fag packet. Yeah, I think, yeah, indeed you left
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it no doubt.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Brian Waddle Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
This week we farewell well. One of the names star
players in Australia Keith Stackpole. I remember Keith Stackpole, and
I said previously, as a nice Australian I worked with
him on the contry box. I didn't play cricket against
him because.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
He was a little better than me.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
But he was lovely to work in the country box.
He was thoughtful. He was the sort of person that
was prepared to listen to your views. Sometimes in the
comtry box they don't listen to your views. They just
want to get these across, and he was able to
share those thoughts. But as a player, Jeremy, you would
have played against them, I think in your early Test career, Yes.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
I did, Wads. I have two little memories about Keith Stackpole,
very different kind of innings that he played I'll do this.
The quick one first, that was it was an Eden
park Richard Hadley bowling from the from the old Bank
end with all the steps going up, you remember those,
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and first over of the Test match Australia batting had
lee to stackpole about the third ball was terrible over
from Richard, but in fact both my memories had that
it was a terrible over. But he got a full
toss about head high'd be about three no balls nowadays,
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but a head high, full stop, full top, full toss
and he he steered it to John Parker who was
still awake, and he called it's well, it was the
first over. It was the first over of the Test. Yeah,
and he caught it so so yeah. He departed for
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nought and that was might have been pretty close to
his last innings and tests I think for Australia. The
other one is my my first Test match. I was
a twelfth man over at the mcg and this was
after twenty seven years Australia had not played New Zealand,
the difference between nineteen forty six and nineteen seventy three
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and r J was bowling again. Ossie batting r J
off his long run up in those days to Keith Stackpole.
The first ball was short. I was sitting in the
changing room watching four without loss. Then Hadley came in
again to Stackpole eight not out Stackpole. The third ball
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another one short Australia twelve without loss, and the fourth
ball short and top edge. Nice simple cats to cover point.
Now everyone started looking who was at cover point? No
one at cover however, was Mike Shrimpton MJK. Shrimpton, Central
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District's Snippet Exactly. There was a name supplied by our
team to someone who was given the task of going
through all the newspaper reports at the end of the
day and cutting out and pasting that report into a scrapbook,
and that became the record of the tour that we
took back to New Zealand cricket. So Snippett was there.
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He was slow to move and Brian Hastings in the
gully thought that he wasn't going to attempt the catch
it was. It was just one of those ones just
up in the air. Come on, catch that, and so
Brian Hastings starts to move and have a crack. Now
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Snippet thinks he can get there. Well, they collide inevitably,
and Keith Stackpole remains twelve not out and the chance
has dropped. And there's nothing like the silence of a
drop catch after three fours, I can tell you. And
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I do remember one thing though, that him out. He
hit a ball wide of Midon. He used to drive
through the offside, but it used to go wide of
mid On. And we had a guy called Dave O'Sullivan again,
a man from Central Districts, Daffy. Well, Daffy thought he
had stopped the single, he'd cut it off, but it
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was too quick for him and he fell in behind
it and he started following it to one of the
longer boundaries on the MCG which was right to the
fence in the pockets. And it was one of those
ones where the ball and the man were traveling at
the same speed. He wasn't gaining and it stopped. The
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ball stopped about I don't know, five six feet from
the boundary, and he caught up with it. And whether
it was from the chase or he was overcome by
the run, he picked it up. We were willing him
to kick it over and he turned and the vast
distance confronted him. Now he had to throw it. There's
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one thing slower than Daffy's run, and that's his throw.
And he let go this tragic, kind of feeble little
jerk of his arm, and the crowd hooted, and Brian
Hastings once again had to go and tidy it up.
But it was only a play within a play. I
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was watching from the dressing room. I could see Daffy,
I could see the ball, and I could also see
Ian Chapel and Keith Stackpole hairing up and down in
the middle of the ground. They turned for eight. They
turned for eight, and Stackpole was almost being lapped by
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Chapel and his Stackpole was in serious oxygen debt. And
Snippet came on and he bowled a little leg break
to Stackpole about an over later, and he tried had
to hit it into Brisbane and he got He got
a top edge and John Parker again that slip took
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the catch. But it was one of those edges that
wasn't a sort of bounce and turn and I'll take
it nicely at first slip. It was a top edge
from a sweep. So that's how I remember him getting
out again. But Stacky was a lovely guy to play
He was a typical Australian wadds quite noisy, brash, but
also as you say, decent guy.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah, likable guy.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
I just got to correct you on your memory, Jerry.
That Parker, that Parker catch was actually the first ball
of the Test?
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Oh was it? First ball?
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Yeah? First ball of the Test? He was out for
a pair in his final Test. And it was the
one of two occasions that Hadley took a wicket with
the first ball in a Test. Mess you know when
the other one was. It was in Napier against India
when he dismissed a guy called Vookery Rahman first ball
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of the Test match open in that Test match. And
I'm sure you've heard Ian Smith's lovely story about that
Test miss. If you haven't, we'll get him on one
day when we've got forty five minutes to spare to
relate the story. And most did you play against the
second No?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
No, no, no, I'm just the young chaplain in comparison,
but I did play with both Mike Shrimpton and David
O'Sullivan and Jerry is quite correct. In order to get
the ball back and it would have been had to
have been relayed back in from the boundary for Dave
because it wasn't known for for the fielding and speed
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and power of arm. It's fair to say, damn fine
bola though damn fine bowler. Let's let's not forget that
very good and trump I could back were it not
for the demons in his head some time.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
To time, interesting stuff, lovely reminiscences of Keith Stackpole. And
I don't know about Peter Hollins's view of David Oslim
at the times when he was determined. Some people would
say he basically helped the ball with a bit of
a jerky arm. I'm not sure whether that ever came
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up in his but Colin Munro would have been there
to point it out for him, because he pointed that
out against one of the sides. He was playing in
the Pakistan Premier League or whatever they call it, and
got himself fined thirty percent because he took the umpire
on and he was abusive in his own way to
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a Pakistan player called if the car armored, suggesting he
might have toss it at him. But those are the
things that happened in cricket. I'm sure you remember all
those days. Anybody throw one at you you saw David.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
David Gower, but I think I was at the non
non striker's end, but I even saw it from there.
It was a fairly obvious and blatant one, I've got
to say. To finish the game at trent Bridge.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
And what about you, Peter, did you determine that somebody
threw it you and wasn't called?
Speaker 3 (34:24):
It was interesting because in around the time that that, yeah,
I started playing in the first class, there were a
few people around and there were words that all their
actions a bit a bit, a bit tricky, you guys
obviously of Bartlet, Jim Michael, Girl, the guy girl, that's
who I'm thinking of.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Goodness great well, So there.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Were a few around, but there seems to be less
of an issue these days, I think. Monroe, though, you
wouldn't want to have a poke at someone in Pakistan
and the Pakistan Pakistani and the Pakistan Lega, I'm not
sure about being that being very wise.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
Indeed, well, it costumes thirty percent of costs for Risban
who was supporting if DECA in that exchange that got
done for thirty percent, and Chris Brown, of course was
one of the empires and Gerald Umpire I had to
step and eat a big man, so he would have
kept them apart, wouldn't he. Thanks for joining us, guys.
We'll be watching with interest the progress of the MLC
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and other things that come out in terms of the
the administration of the game, and I'll do my best
during the middle of the night to track down Lawrence
Burgency when he's.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Able to join the seat. Join us guys, See you
next week, Yeah summer.
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Hello on the Front put back with you.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
What's up this week? Well?
Speaker 5 (00:51):
A share in an upcoming MLC venture an unnamed team,
no venue? Is it a risky business venture or possible
financial windfall of front? A New Zealand game, sad to
hear the passing of Keith Stackpole, aged eighty four men
who I call a likable Australian because he was a
(01:12):
very friendly man, but he possessed a lethal blade when
he played. And plans for the New Zealand a squad
in Bangladesh. What do they want to achieve? Colin Munroe
getting upside too with umpires in the Prakistan League. But
some interesting cricket points to talk about this week, and
I've invited along two of my financial experts to help
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me in this adventure that New Zealand cricket game for
Jeremy Coney with a fist of shares in every major
company the world over, and Peter Holland who sold them
to him, have how along to day to help me
decide what is going on? Do you think we can
sort this issue out? Guys? Just a quick one before
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we explain what it is. How do you feel about
the venture idea?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Jerry Mixed. Don't know enough about what the what the
contract actually is at the moment. I don't even are
they paying money for it?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Well, that's the thing that I think has to be determined.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
What about you most it is something of a dilemma
for ENZIDC. Do you sit on your hands do nothing
or do you look to expand your operations in your
and your business? It's it's it's a it's a question companies, businesses,
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organizations are frequently faced with and and INSC along with others.
Is a is it a really difficult phase now, particularly
with the proliferation of this franchise cricket. So yeah, I'm
on the fence each way, but but I do have
some views around what I've picked up and can glean.
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So we can talk about that a bit later.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Yeah, we'll talk about that in the moment. Just explain
what it is for those who may have missed it.
I don't know where you've been if you have, but
it's been in the news. But Cricket has agreed terms
with the American company True North Sports Ventures to launch
a new Major Cricket League franchise and that's to debut
in twenty twenty seven. So we don't know what it's
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going to be called, where it's going to be based.
The MLC Major League Cricket founders co founders Samir Matter
and VJ. Sheron of Arsen are the majority owners of
entities which hold exclusive rights to own and operate to
MLC expansion franchises. There's a lot of words, isn't it,
The first of which will be launched by TNS and
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twenty twenty seven. Now, this guy Trinavasen owns the television
company that or is the chief executive of the television company.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
That is going to show all this game.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Firstly, it's here from Cricket Chief executive Scott weeningk on
this bold announcement through the week.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
What it does mean for Jilling cricket is that gives
us an opportunity to continue to be innovative just as
we are on the field, but also innovative off the
field by looking for new opportunities to grow our revenue
streams and diversify our revenue streams. Yes, so what we'll
be doing is partnering with the founders of Major League
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Cricket to essentially provide the high performance services to one
of their new franchises. We'll also have an opportunity to
invest in that franchise as well, you know, take an
equity stake. But for our high performance team it you know,
it means that there's a pathway for both players, coaches, managers,
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strength and conditioning experts, physios to actually do some work
in franchise cricket in another part.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Of the world.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
We see this as a huge opportunity for these young
cricket network as a whole. Players and coaches and the
major associations will also be able to take advantage of
the opportunities that this is going to create for our
cricket network.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
So seen as a bold announcements, innovative move by some others,
a risky venture, Jerry says it's hard to know at
the moment what it will entail. It's nice to think
that New Zealand Cricket may be able to generate revenue
from this jerry, but is there a risk involved and
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what's it going to cost that I think of the
things that we need to consider at the moment, isn't
it Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I think. Look, I'm not a necessor of whether an
investment is a sound one or not. That's more Moose's business, really,
But I do wonder if a sports team is a
reliable investment or not. It depends how good they are,
I guess. And as you pointed out, there are no
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players yet, there are no coaches, there's no ground, there's
no games for this team, and you know there are
no fans to follow them and go along and watch
them and pay some money for it. So it feels
that at this stage you just don't know quite what
to say from a cricket perspective rather than investment one.
(06:11):
You know, if New Zealand are offering players and a
place for coaches to go and a place for management
to go and high performance they've talked about and as
he mentions, a seven figure sum there, so that's between
one and nine million, isn't it Can New Zealand Cricket
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afford that? Is sport the right place to put the money. Anyway,
if they want to diversify a bit their revenue stream,
it would be disappointing to me if New Zealand Cricket cut,
for example, a competition in order to pay for this,
like say the Under seventeens or an a tour or
the Hawk Cup, in order to lower domestic costs to
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enable it, that would be a disappointment if their development things.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Most there's an element of risk in anything you do,
isn't there in terms of talking finance, and I guess
New Zealand crickets response onsibility is to foster and develop
the game in New Zealand, and as Jerry says, run
these competitions and fund them. And we don't know whether
any of them are going to be a cut because
of that. But I suppose, as you say, we have
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to look for other ways to finance the game because
the ic C quite clearly through television rights and not
going to fund it the same way as they have
in the past.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I heard an interesting interview with Scott Weene which which
clarified in my minds now again you haven't seen fine
print around what this. The use of the word investment
seems to be somewhat jumbled, because investment implies we're putting
some version of capital into an entity. The seven figures
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that when it was discussing, was a remuneration for the
delivery of a high performance program for this team, for
which they would be they would be paid. So this
is not players. This was coaches, psykes, physios, essentially the
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infrastructure in setting up a franchise club for which they'll
have to do anyway. But INSI see, will deliver the
intellectual property and therefore the people around that, as I said,
not players for which they will receive compensation remuneration. I
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understand that they've actually getted some sort of option to
invest into the franchise, which seems to make some sense.
Now one can invest into that. So say, for instance,
the seven figure fund for fund for the setting up
of this business and supplying of coaches, pikes, physios, etc.
(09:05):
We'll say five million. What they could easily do is say, well,
I'll take three and a half, but i'll leave one
and a half in the bin, for which I will
be given in inequity share in other words, it's the
phrase used for that as an earning or otherwise known
as sweet equity. In other words, I've worked for it,
so I leave that in the business. So it may
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be that in terms of, you know, in banker terms,
it's a cash neutral. They're not actually putting money in,
but they are getting to their revenue line. In my
example here three and a half million or what they
could elect to take the lot the fight, in which
case that would be reinvested into the end zen cricket.
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In other words, what they're doing, what they're implying when
it was implying, was we get our revenue streams as
they currently are. But this is another way to boost
what cash in the coffers by supplying and delivering talent
in the form that we just described to this franchise.
The other thing that strikes me about this is that
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I'll compete with other franchises. It seems to be very
well capitalized and others. There seems to be a lot
of cash in behind this the MLC as it is,
So if you're going to go into something, you might
as well go where the money is, and that may
have some benefits. Bearing in mind that the MLC has
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also played out of season for US, so that works
as well. So it shouldn't interfere with a lot of
what cricket delivers during our summer long and lengthy. But
I hopefully that sort of breaks it down a bit.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Yeah, I think. I mean, it's certainly a good time
for Indian viewing in America. Those two guys that Wats
mentioned they actually own is it Willow TV, which is
going to show this and stream us. Four of the
six sides at the moment are owned by the IPL.
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I mean, there's a Los Angeles Night Riders, you can
tell where that comes from. There's the Mumbai Indian New
York who won it last year. You know where that
comes from. There's the Seattle Orcs which is owned by
GMR Group. They own the Delhi Capitals, and there's the
Super Kings as well. And the Washington Freedom. Actually you're
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talking about Talent Mos. Sanjay Goval owns them. He's an
Indian American businessman and they have a New South Wales
as their performance partner. They provide the same sorts of
things you are talking about for the Washington Freedom. Another side,
so it could.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Be Victoria similarly has an arrangement somewhere in there in
this as well. So Victoria and New South Wales seem
to be providing similar type of services.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
So that's not a national body, is it, which is
slightly different?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
No, not completely, but yeah, I guess that's an example
of it. So perhaps there's some piggybacking on what New
South Wales are doing, so that perhaps has some merit.
So we're not it's always good to be a follower
rather than the first in there and in case you
get a bad.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Yeah, or New South Wales is the venue that Neil
Maxwell is involved in, and he's involved in the development
of a number of these programs, the World Cricket Association,
et cetera, et cetera. I mean there's so many of
them developing now. The interesting thing that Scott Winning said
in the press releases, as franchise cricket grows globally, New
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Zealand Cricket needs to adapt to seize strategic opportunities that
ensure the sustainability of our cricket network. This helps to
diversify our revenue streams, expands our global brand and fan base,
and creates new talent development and retention pathways for both
our players and coaches. A word salad really, isn't it?
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But is that something that you know we have to
the fan base? I mean, how will New Zealanders log
on to this unnamed team? Will they become part of
the fan base or will we be relying on American
fan base, Indians who live in the United States or
West Indians who live in that part of the world.
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The other things that I suppose are extra add on,
don't they, Jerry. Whether or not it's going to generate
revenue is in the lap of the gods.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Look, I'm not going to follow this team Wads because
there's a New Zealand coach or a New Zealand physio
or and you know, I'm just not going.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
To do that.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
What you tend to follow as the players, don't you?
There the factors. Look at the moment, the rules of
this competition say there are nine overseas players allowed per side.
Now the New Zealand can't expect to get all of
those nine. They might get four, maybe five, but you
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wouldn't think it'd be much more than that. You're not
going to write off all the other players around the world,
are you? I think the other thing for me is
there are now over fifty men's and women's franchises tournaments
operating around the world. Fifty three I think it is now.
Even if it's an extraordinary number, if only two thirds
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of that number is correct, it's still a lot. Now.
The MLC at this stage is a fledgling tournament. It's
only been going since twenty twenty three. As I mentioned,
as six sides competing. Now, the US are keenon sport. Yeah,
but they already have their own bat and ball game,
don't they. Let's not forget that. But despite all the diaspora,
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which is all those West Indians and the Indians there
and the Pakistani's there where cricket is important, it's very
much cricket a probation of sport over in the US.
You know, there isn't the lega, see the knowledge, the
love of the game that you get. For example, in India,
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they won't have people lining up to play or to watch,
you know, the young won't be lying in their beds
dreaming about this, to follow this. It's not India or
the IPL where it's become a very tribal kind of thing,
you know, just where they go and follow their team.
They go to their ground. They have all their their merchandise.
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You know, it's like soccer is in England. So I
think this tournament is going to take some time if
it lasts, and very astute management, I would have thought.
To grow the interest and the development of the game
of a fan base, you need to be very proactive
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on the social I have good pricing all those kinds
of things. The next thing is you've mentioned Brian is
a venue and an infrastructure. I mean these six sides
last year have two grounds that they play on. Two
grounds of the six. They have the Grand Prairie Stadium
in Dallas, Texas. They have Church Street Park in North Carolina, Morrisville.
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The first eight games were played in Dallas, the next
seven were played in North Carolina and then back to Dallas.
So you're traveling all the time. If you're a follower,
you'd have to travel to watch your team or watch
it on the telly, of course. But you know they're
getting some names. Let's be fair, Mummins is going there
and this next one, Travis Head is there, Steve Smith
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is there. So the Aussies are coming. So that's fine,
that's fine, and I can certainly see a bonus for
Scott Wiener and those who are negotiating for New Zealand
Cricket when it comes to contract time with our players.
At the moment, the pay for play for New Zealand
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is nowhere near any franchise offer that the players get.
And all enz C can do really is to those
players is to say, well, it's for your country, it's
the heritage, it's where you come from and you play internationals. Now.
You know now if they have this operation, there's more negotiation,
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isn't there. You're getting your contract, plus you might get
a place in the Atlanta ard Varks or you might
be in the Toronto Termites, and they'll have a place
also for coaches and for management. So I can see
some bonuses, some merits, but there are also I think
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some downside. It clashes with the Sri Lankan League. We've
already got players there. It clashes with the first part
of the hundred, so there'll be players who are going
they'll have to go late to the hundred as well.
Once every four years we go to England in July
and that's when this tournament is played, so lesser players
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would be offered. I guess at that time, or we'd
have lesser players in the New Zealand side.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Yeah, that's some of the drawbacks that I guess will
have to be investigated over a couple of years. Well,
it's going to have to be done over a couple
of years. Twenty twenty seven is when it first comes forward.
And my other worry, Peter Holland, is one, will we
have to pay Donald Trump's tariffs? Your political knows would
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have been in that snout, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I suspect that that that's probably not not in the
on the Trump's des radar.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
It won't be on the list, just on that point.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Around grounds, I did some digging and somewhere I found
or heard that ten new grounds. I talked about this
being backed by a lot of people with capital, ten
new grounds are apparently being planned to be built now.
I don't know what the timing is, so they are
clearly aware of the constraints that you were talking about, Jerry.
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What I understood is that the MLC is the league
where the ten six growing to ten teams is, but
underneath there is a minor league where I gather there's
something like twenty six teams which will support that. So
In other words, I think they're trying to grow the game.
Bearing in mind that cricket now is in the Olympics
coming up, so they therefore in America obviously get automatic
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entry because being the host to the Olympics. So there's
I can sort of see where things are happening, but
I guess it's going to be quite fluid and a
bit of a moving target. But I think where I
land is if it means that an insit cricket is
going to get some cash coming in the door three
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four five million a year, that can only be a
good thing and provides opportunity to develop the infrastructure and
the intellectual property that we have for our coaches, our curators,
all those sort of people. I think it's only a
good thing.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
And doesn't put tournaments that we've run now at risk,
and that's fair enough. I quite agree with you.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
I agree with all that too.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
So it's going to be something interesting that we'll be
watching very closely over a period of time. Twenty twenty
seven when it comes to sort of cricket teams out
and new competitions is not that far away. And I'm
sure he's yelling cricket will have a lot more to say,
just a quick one because I was going to talk
or try and talk to the Wisdom editor this week,
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but I'll have to try and chase him down. But
the latest edition of The Wisdom Orban Act the Cricketer's Bible,
Lawrence Booth, the editor, says the World Test Championship is
a shambles masquerading as a show piece. And he's also
questioned Jay Shar's promotion from Board of Control of Cricket
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and India Secretary to the Chairman of the ICC. And
Lawrence Booth has turned his attention to the World Test
Championship and it's something we can discuss next week. But
it's interesting that he has really I mean, they're strong
words masquerading as a show piece. I tend to agree
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with them, do you, I do.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Well, it's a poor tournament, isn't it. Yeah, well, you know,
teams playing different numbers of games, teams playing some teams
and not others. Two Test match series, they're not really series.
They're a bit of a nonsense. We all know that
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if they go to three day tests, which I think
which is what Lawrence Booth was talking about, will that
mean four day tests that's a question that I have
in the back of my mind to get those through.
But Test cricket's been great in the last few years,
hasn't it. I mean, we've got we've got to admit that.
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I mean, actually you could argue it deserves some more
attention that it's getting. I remember that South African that
weak side that came here, that South Africa actually have
got no tests in their season coming up at home. None.
Not not South Africa's fault at all. It's the big
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three wanting to play each other and not wanting to
play the smaller sides Test champions. Well, how are India?
I mean, India are not going to play Pakistan and
tests are they? They're just not going to play them.
And in that case, in that case, yeah, give the
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points to Pakistan. I mean, that's that's the problem. You see,
no one is really challenging Pakistan, not even England and
Australia that they're they're not. And what we've got was
Shah going into the ic C chairman to me is
cementing an inequitable, already inequitable situation. So it's a very
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haphazard kind of system I think for for the Test championship.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
That said, I'd rather there was a championship, a competition
of sorts. Ye, it's with its weaknesses, but at least
in some way, shape or form, test matches have a
little bit of meaning. So if we do quite well,
then there's a chance of us playing in a in
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a in a championship. I just would hope that the
administrators are brave enough to acknowledge that in fact, with
some with some tweaks, it could actually be really really interesting.
And I know that in New Zealand our test matches
this past season were pretty much sold out.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
What does that say, Well, there's a popularity there. That's
that we don't get big numbers, of course, but the
popularity and people love the game. You know, England send
their barmie army out here, so it's something that you know.
I want to discuss with Lawrence Booth. He spoke to
us last year, remember when the Wisdom came out. So
I'll get a touch with him in the middle of
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the night while I'm watching domestic cricket in England on
the television. Jerry and if he's prepared to join us.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
I got to say.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
One of his best lines was and I love this
line talking about the World Test Championship and the fact
that you know it was decided on percentage of et
C and he says the ic C cannot allow the
Championship to continue as if designed on the back of
a fag packet. Yeah, I think, yeah, indeed you left
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it no doubt.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Brian Waddle Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
This week we farewell well. One of the names star
players in Australia Keith Stackpole. I remember Keith Stackpole, and
I said previously, as a nice Australian I worked with
him on the contry box. I didn't play cricket against
him because.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
He was a little better than me.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
But he was lovely to work in the country box.
He was thoughtful. He was the sort of person that
was prepared to listen to your views. Sometimes in the
comtry box they don't listen to your views. They just
want to get these across, and he was able to
share those thoughts. But as a player, Jeremy, you would
have played against them, I think in your early Test career, Yes.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
I did, Wads. I have two little memories about Keith Stackpole,
very different kind of innings that he played I'll do this.
The quick one first, that was it was an Eden
park Richard Hadley bowling from the from the old Bank
end with all the steps going up, you remember those,
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and first over of the Test match Australia batting had
lee to stackpole about the third ball was terrible over
from Richard, but in fact both my memories had that
it was a terrible over. But he got a full
toss about head high'd be about three no balls nowadays,
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but a head high, full stop, full top, full toss
and he he steered it to John Parker who was
still awake, and he called it's well, it was the
first over. It was the first over of the Test. Yeah,
and he caught it so so yeah. He departed for
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nought and that was might have been pretty close to
his last innings and tests I think for Australia. The
other one is my my first Test match. I was
a twelfth man over at the mcg and this was
after twenty seven years Australia had not played New Zealand,
the difference between nineteen forty six and nineteen seventy three
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and r J was bowling again. Ossie batting r J
off his long run up in those days to Keith Stackpole.
The first ball was short. I was sitting in the
changing room watching four without loss. Then Hadley came in
again to Stackpole eight not out Stackpole. The third ball
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another one short Australia twelve without loss, and the fourth
ball short and top edge. Nice simple cats to cover point.
Now everyone started looking who was at cover point? No
one at cover however, was Mike Shrimpton MJK. Shrimpton, Central
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District's Snippet Exactly. There was a name supplied by our
team to someone who was given the task of going
through all the newspaper reports at the end of the
day and cutting out and pasting that report into a scrapbook,
and that became the record of the tour that we
took back to New Zealand cricket. So Snippett was there.
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He was slow to move and Brian Hastings in the
gully thought that he wasn't going to attempt the catch
it was. It was just one of those ones just
up in the air. Come on, catch that, and so
Brian Hastings starts to move and have a crack. Now
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Snippet thinks he can get there. Well, they collide inevitably,
and Keith Stackpole remains twelve not out and the chance
has dropped. And there's nothing like the silence of a
drop catch after three fours, I can tell you. And
(29:06):
I do remember one thing though, that him out. He
hit a ball wide of Midon. He used to drive
through the offside, but it used to go wide of
mid On. And we had a guy called Dave O'Sullivan again,
a man from Central Districts, Daffy. Well, Daffy thought he
had stopped the single, he'd cut it off, but it
(29:28):
was too quick for him and he fell in behind
it and he started following it to one of the
longer boundaries on the MCG which was right to the
fence in the pockets. And it was one of those
ones where the ball and the man were traveling at
the same speed. He wasn't gaining and it stopped. The
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ball stopped about I don't know, five six feet from
the boundary, and he caught up with it. And whether
it was from the chase or he was overcome by
the run, he picked it up. We were willing him
to kick it over and he turned and the vast
distance confronted him. Now he had to throw it. There's
(30:09):
one thing slower than Daffy's run, and that's his throw.
And he let go this tragic, kind of feeble little
jerk of his arm, and the crowd hooted, and Brian
Hastings once again had to go and tidy it up.
But it was only a play within a play. I
(30:30):
was watching from the dressing room. I could see Daffy,
I could see the ball, and I could also see
Ian Chapel and Keith Stackpole hairing up and down in
the middle of the ground. They turned for eight. They
turned for eight, and Stackpole was almost being lapped by
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Chapel and his Stackpole was in serious oxygen debt. And
Snippet came on and he bowled a little leg break
to Stackpole about an over later, and he tried had
to hit it into Brisbane and he got He got
a top edge and John Parker again that slip took
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the catch. But it was one of those edges that
wasn't a sort of bounce and turn and I'll take
it nicely at first slip. It was a top edge
from a sweep. So that's how I remember him getting
out again. But Stacky was a lovely guy to play
He was a typical Australian wadds quite noisy, brash, but
also as you say, decent guy.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah, likable guy.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
I just got to correct you on your memory, Jerry.
That Parker, that Parker catch was actually the first ball
of the Test?
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Oh was it? First ball?
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Yeah? First ball of the Test? He was out for
a pair in his final Test. And it was the
one of two occasions that Hadley took a wicket with
the first ball in a Test. Mess you know when
the other one was. It was in Napier against India
when he dismissed a guy called Vookery Rahman first ball
(32:08):
of the Test match open in that Test match. And
I'm sure you've heard Ian Smith's lovely story about that
Test miss. If you haven't, we'll get him on one
day when we've got forty five minutes to spare to
relate the story. And most did you play against the
second No?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
No, no, no, I'm just the young chaplain in comparison,
but I did play with both Mike Shrimpton and David
O'Sullivan and Jerry is quite correct. In order to get
the ball back and it would have been had to
have been relayed back in from the boundary for Dave
because it wasn't known for for the fielding and speed
(32:52):
and power of arm. It's fair to say, damn fine
bola though damn fine bowler. Let's let's not forget that
very good and trump I could back were it not
for the demons in his head some time.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
To time, interesting stuff, lovely reminiscences of Keith Stackpole. And
I don't know about Peter Hollins's view of David Oslim
at the times when he was determined. Some people would
say he basically helped the ball with a bit of
a jerky arm. I'm not sure whether that ever came
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up in his but Colin Munro would have been there
to point it out for him, because he pointed that
out against one of the sides. He was playing in
the Pakistan Premier League or whatever they call it, and
got himself fined thirty percent because he took the umpire
on and he was abusive in his own way to
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a Pakistan player called if the car armored, suggesting he
might have toss it at him. But those are the
things that happened in cricket. I'm sure you remember all
those days. Anybody throw one at you you saw David.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
David Gower, but I think I was at the non
non striker's end, but I even saw it from there.
It was a fairly obvious and blatant one, I've got
to say. To finish the game at trent Bridge.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
And what about you, Peter, did you determine that somebody
threw it you and wasn't called?
Speaker 3 (34:24):
It was interesting because in around the time that that, yeah,
I started playing in the first class, there were a
few people around and there were words that all their
actions a bit a bit, a bit tricky, you guys
obviously of Bartlet, Jim Michael, Girl, the guy girl, that's
who I'm thinking of.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Goodness great well, So there.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Were a few around, but there seems to be less
of an issue these days, I think. Monroe, though, you
wouldn't want to have a poke at someone in Pakistan
and the Pakistan Pakistani and the Pakistan Lega, I'm not
sure about being that being very wise.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
Indeed, well, it costumes thirty percent of costs for Risban
who was supporting if DECA in that exchange that got
done for thirty percent, and Chris Brown, of course was
one of the empires and Gerald Umpire I had to
step and eat a big man, so he would have
kept them apart, wouldn't he. Thanks for joining us, guys.
We'll be watching with interest the progress of the MLC
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and other things that come out in terms of the
the administration of the game, and I'll do my best
during the middle of the night to track down Lawrence
Burgency when he's.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Able to join the seat. Join us guys, See you
next week, Yeah summer.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
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