May 22, 2025 • 42 mins
This week on On The Front Foot, NZ A side co-captain Nick Kelly joins us to celebrate the recent win over Bangladesh - and explains how improving humility can help the England test team through their busy season.
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Hello, We're back on the front foot this week. We
celebrate the eighteen success in Bangladesh against the Elements England
that take a new attitude and a new team into
the Zimbabwe Test. And the West Indies name a new
Test captain after an exhaustive program back to some normality
in the cricket ward. It's hard to believe the IPL
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still game. I thought they were going to finish that off.
The PSL has got itself back on track and there
minus some of their original signings from abscondent when hostilities
broke out and a Test match duet Lord's goodness, gracious
me a Test match. But our team in Bangladesh in
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Select now into their final game in Dhaka. A good
win in Select, Jeremy Cooney, but I'm encouraged by that effort,
because we all know Bangladesh is not an easy place
to tour anywhere on the subcondinent. It's not an easy
place to tour.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
It isn't.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
You're quite right, very different from what the players are
accustomed to. I thought when you said we're going back
to some normality, you might say, oh, a four day games,
and I thought you might be referring to the A side.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
But yeah, and a test match. Look, I enjoyed.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
I enjoyed watching a bit of that game. I didn't
see a lot, but clearly they got the worst of
the weather in the sense that it was a bit
wet early on and they were put in so they
had to cope with that. Then they had to suppress
the bangladeshings who were batting perhaps at the best time
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in the game, and so they really prevented them getting
a big lead, which was very important, bouncing a bit
of seam in the first couple of days, and then
obviously spin coming into play, but spin only one wicket
in the first two innings of the match.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, interesting there, and we'll talk about that in just
a tackle. So, because you know, looking back at that game,
runs were hard to come by. Nick Kelly showed the
value of his experience and scoring what could have been
the match when innings before Addie Ashock produced the individual
bowling highlight of a match with his third i Wick
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Hall in limited first class career, and that's the spin
element that Jerry was talking about perhaps in the early
part of the match. Nick Kelly is the co captain
along with Joe Carter. They've both got experience. Carter went
to India with the Last Day team they're now in
Deaca and Nick Kelly was able to join on the
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front foot and Nick, it must have been satisfying to
record that one once.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Yeah, it was was unbelievably satisfying. You know, we started
with the three one dayers and I know the series
ended two one, but I think if you asked the
boys we we would probably say we were pretty outplayed
in their conditions.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
So to bounce back.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Over four days and and sit back at the end
of that game was unbelievably rewarding. So you know, the
guys have been over here learning quite a bit. You know,
it's a reasonably short to us, so you know we
sort of arrived and had two days training and then
went straight into it. So you know, there's a lot
of guys out here have never been to the subcontinent before,
so they've been trying to learn on their feet pretty quickly.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
But like I said, you know, getting that win was
pretty satisfying.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
There's obviously lessons are plenty, but firstly the fact that
you were able to win a four day game. That
was a bit of a challenge because the weather conditions
didn't play a major part and they are a very
strong opposition in terms of in their own country, aren't.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
They yea one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
You know, we saw a stat after the game that
I think they've got They had I think eighty nine
test caps between them and we had zero. So you know,
when we heard that, it was even cooler feeling.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Like you said, the.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Weather played a little bit of a part. You know,
there was lights, there was lights on the ground, which
was cool, but you know with the red ball that
obviously can't get too dark, so you know, we were
losing over most days. And then just with the climate there,
like these massive thunderstorms just coming quickly and you know
they hang around for a bit that the drainage of
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the ground is unbelievable, so you know, the ground a
couple of days with underwater and then within half an
hour forty five minutes, you know, with the numerous groundsmen
and the drainage systems, we were able to get back on.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
So that was awesome.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
And then yeah, when the sun did come out, it
was it was pretty challenging, it was pretty hot, so yeah,
it was.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
It was just an awesome experience for the group.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
You were put in. So that helped it in terms
of I suppose the ability to be bowling last. And
it seemed from what we were able to see here
and we're ucky enough to be able to see it
on the internet, that the spin bowlers are enjoying the
conditions and it's a great development phase for them, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Yeah, definitely, you know they you know, bowling spin in
New Zealand as a tough art.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
You know, there's not a lot on offer.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
You know, most of the time you have to use
the drift store or the bounce to get your wickets.
But over here, you know, as the days went on
in the game, more so day three and four, you know,
the pitcher started to dry out just with that, with
that heat, and you know they were pretty frustrated up
their first innings.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
You know, they didn't probably get the reward that.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
They would have liked, but they were unbelievably accurate and
so you know, just keep reminding the boys that you
know you will get your rewards just hanging there. And
then on day four, I'm not sure if you're watching,
but you know, it all happened pretty quickly.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Eddie Eshock got those three wickets in and over and you.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Know it was getting pretty dark there at one stage,
so you know we didn't think, you know, we might
not be able to get over the line.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
But yeah, the spinners were just unbelievable in this game.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, it managed to see the final day and I
guess that's what spinners are therefore, to be able to
clean up a game in the fourth innings after the
seamers or others have done the job early on. And
that was an absolutely remarkable finish and just shows the
value of a leg spinner in any side, doesn't.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Yeah obviously played for Wellington and we've got Peter young husband,
and you know, it's such a blessing having someone who
can turn the ball both ways, especially when you get
down to sort of seven eight nineteen eleven. You know,
the way they played spin over here was unbelievably impressive.
And you know, when you're out out in the field
roaming around, it can sometimes seem like that they're so
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on top, just with the way that they manipulate strike
and you know.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Use their sweep shots and use the crease.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
And you know, the spinners were getting a little bit
frustrated at times. But then, like you said, you know,
having a lade spinner who can spin the ball both ways,
and you know, you just you just had to open
up one end and get a new batsman out there,
and then you just see how well they actually are
bowling and how much it is turning. And then you know,
we were just lucky enough to run through them just
before we were called off for the light. So yeah,
it was a pretty cool day.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, it's always had for a new batchman coming to
the crease too, to adjust himself to turn eye. I
sense that there's not a huge amount of turn, but
just enough for the bowlers.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Yeah, we're actually quite quite surprised the first couple of days.
Wait for the first two innings actly, there was only
one wicket to spin for the first two innings. You know,
the scene is there was actually probably a little bit
more balance and scene movement than we would have thought.
Their scene has bold unbelievably well in that first innings,
we thought, but yeah, I think it's just building up
those remps, making sure you're staying nice and patient, making
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sure you're staying you know, really nice and accurate. And
then I found when I was out there batting, it was,
you know, it wasn't turning that much. And then within
a two or three over period, just with the way
that the how hot the sun is and it was
drying out the wicket and all of a sudden just
started doing quite a bit.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
And it was probably halfway through.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
That second session on day three where you know, it
probably started to turn a little bit more. And then
by the time we got into day four it was
you know, there was quite a consider considerable amount of turns.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
So you know, it's good learnings for everyone here.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
You know, like I said before, there's a lot of
guys here on their first tour, so it'd be nice
to bank those experiences for the next time we come over.
And then yeah, we've got the Ducker Ducker game which
starts tomorrow, and we had a look at that work
at yesterday and you know looks completely different, a lot
darker soil. I think it might turn a little bit
more from from days one and two. So just you know,
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another cool challenge for the boys to experience.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You talk about challenges, so you're any society one hundred
and twenty two. Big scores have not been the norm,
have they? The Bangadesha. I'd have had a couple of
century makers, But it's been a real challenge for the
batsman in the conditions over there, hasn't it.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Yeah, Yeah, it's it's probably been a mixture of you know,
some pretty good bowling mixed with I think it's the
heat as well. Like to be honest, that was probably
the hardest hardest day of cracket I've ever had out
there in our day three is during that century, you know,
unbelievably rewarding. But if I think back to the physical
told that you know I was under you know, we
had a we had Joe card of the Skipper go
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off with Pete stroke and you know, just even watching
their seamers, you know, the spells were short and sharp,
but you know at the end of the spells that
were they were going off as they were pretty cooked.
And yeah, I think you know, the wickets have been
challenging for us just in terms of getting used to
the bounce, and you know, the spin hasn't been massive,
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but you know it's just different to what we're used
to back home. So yeah, I guess, you know, moving
into this last game, you know the few o the
boys have looked at, you know, scorecards from previous Ducker tests,
and like you said, even even the tests and and
Dhaka have been pretty low scoring, so you know, there
might not be too many centuries in this game.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
It might be you know, how how do we get
out there.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
And score as quickly as possible before you know boll
has your name on it.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, in terms of the betting, if you say, they
haven't been consistent high scores, but nice cameos from various
individuals within the betting lineup, which helps to either keep
the scoreboard close or give you a slight advantage. Was
the bat.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Yeah, Yeah, it's you know, it's when you look back
on a game, you know, there's there's there's always a
little contributions that helped towards a win, and you know,
when guys are getting in and getting twenty thirties and forties.
You know, they come off, they're pretty frustrated with how
they've gone, you know, how they've got out, and but
then you know, you think back to you know, just
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giving guys cutting themselves a little bit of slack and going,
look like this is the first time for or you know,
big eighties or hundreds and those small contributions, especially in
a low scoring game where I don't think anyone in
the in the game scored over three hundred millies. You know,
you need guys to be able to chip in and
score those twenties, thirties and forties, so you know, when
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one or two other guys do stand up and get
those bigger scores, you can you can put a competitive
total on the board, which is what we're able to do.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
I thought, pretty well.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
You be happy, I suppose even though it looks like
a very good stadium, just to get away and play
at a different stadium. You probably almost checked them to
live at the ground in that place, sevn't you.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
Yeah, yeah, we're actually only there.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
It might have been two two and a half weeks,
but it felt a lot longer than that.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
Just pretty much the hotel on the.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Ground that we're allowed to go to so Yeah, I
think I think a few of the boys, especially after that,
when we're pretty happy to get on the plane and
get to Ducker and just you.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
Know, get in a new hotel, new environment.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Ducker obviously a lot more going on than there's like
twenty twenty five million people here. So even just just
added challenge and travel to the ground, you know, it
takes a lot longer, you know, keep more people, which
is awesome. But yeah, like you said, we're pretty happy
to get out of so Let The hospitality from Banglaish
cricket has been unbelievable, but yeah, you know, it's always
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nice to mix it up, especially after a win.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
You come away with good experiences from this tour and
every player in some form or other has been able
to contribute. And you've got to bear in mind that
the majority of the team have been the highly performed
players in our domestic competition, haven't they. I mean, you
and Moa Bass and anothers have made your international appearances.
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But you know, it's it's backing up a season of
pretty good performances by everybody on the side, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Yeah, Yeah, there's you know, you look through the list
of fifteen guys that are here, and you know, they
all demand.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Their spot in the team.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
And you know, you speak to some guys and you
know they're pretty happy with how they too have gone.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
To has gone, and then you speak.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
To others and you know they're pretty disappointed. But I
think that's probably the role for the older guys in
the group, like myself and Joe, and just reminding them that,
you know, just because you've had a tough to it
doesn't make you any worse of a player or any
you know, it doesn't you know, degrade from the season
that you had in New Zealand. You know, like these
are all experiences. We're all here learning and think that's
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just part of cricket, you know, like we're all looking
to get better. And I think part of that is
exposing yourself to foreign conditions. And I know the guys
over here that have struggled, the next time they come
to the subcontinent they'll be so much better for it.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
But yeah, it's just it's an awesome.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Challenge, I guess, you know, whether a twenty year old
or like myself and you know, thirty thirty one, just
learning learning how to you know, perform outside of New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, we're an experienced player. You've had a very good
season for Wellington, an award winner in the Firebirds camp.
How are you assessing your performance throughout the season leading
up into this and the century you got in silet?
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Yeah, it was. It was an unbelievable season for me.
Statistically probably it was my best season, so it was. Yeah,
it was awesome obviously to get the reward at the
end of that season to play for the black Caps.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
You know, it was a will wind experience for me.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Looking back on it, you know, it alway would have
been nice to score a few more runs, but I
guess as you.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
Get older, you kind of got to.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Just know that the you know, those experiences are invaluable
and you know it'll be one of the highlights of
my career and hopefully it's not the last time I
get to put on the black Caps jersey. And then,
you know, after after reflecting on the season and the
black Caps experience for a couple of weeks or so,
it was just awesome to get straight back into it
and come over to Bangladesh and like I said before,
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you know, it was a pretty tough start for some
of us. I guess that's the challenge of touring and
you just got to stay locked in and keep training hard.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
And you know.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
It was it was Like I said before, it was
probably one of the most rewarding endings I've ever had
over here after after you know, the lead up to it.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
And in terms of wearing the black cap shit again.
I suppose all the guys are also conscious of the
fact that the game or two coming up of South
Africa isn't there.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
So there's another there's another New Zealand a tour of
South Africa. I think that goes from August to September,
and then there's a Zimbabwe tour in July August for
the for the Test team with a couple of Tea
twenties chucked in there, so you know, it'll be interesting
to see what that side looks like. They've obviously got
have got the head coach roll up for Grams as well,
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so I guess once they name that they'll get a
bit of clarity around you know, what side they want
to take there. And yeah, obviously you know there's a
lot of guys over here put up their hands with
some pretty nice performances, So yeah, it'll be it'll be
exciting a couple of months ahead.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, well, pleanny to play for all the best. Hope
the the success continues through the final game in Bangadesh
and then the majority of the players on hand for
the African Tour. Thanks for your time, Nick.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Here's what thanks for having met Kelly with us on
the front foot and Jarry.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
It's good to hear cricketers talking honestly about how they
feel about what they're facing over there. Often you hear
them trying to just deflect and say, you know, that's
the way it was, that dada dada dada party line.
But he talked about the things that he found difficult
the other players have found different, the real challenges. And
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again it's not so much about the actual result. It's
how they get to the result, isn't it and what
they do along the way because they're not picking the
same team on each game. So you know, it was
a good reflection and I think that highlights the value
of the win.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
I enjoyed listening to it once. He's quite an experienced player,
isn't he, Nick Kelly?
Speaker 3 (17:54):
What is he?
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Nearly thirty two, nearly born Dare we say it in Australia.
Then he came right sixty sixty one first class matches,
he's averaging thirty nine. He's also played, I think, in
the Caribbean League, hasn't He played for sort of Saint
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Kitts Nevis that side. So an experienced first class player
also played franchise, and so he's had plenty of time
to experience some disappointments and enjoy some success as well.
And there's that feeling you can have as he talks.
He's more reflective, I think. And it hasn't been all
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success for him on this tour, not fourteen nineteen twenty
and then that last innings in the second and one
hundred and twenty two. So and that made a difference
in the game really in terms of the runs, didn't it.
I enjoyed the way they hung in the game. I
enjoyed it when he told me how little experienced the
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New Zealand ay side had zero caps and ten fists
and Bangladesh had eighty nine. I think that's quite telling,
isn't it. One of those difficult things that you spoke
about in touring Bangladesh. Not just the heat he mentioned that,
not just the thunderstorms. He mentioned that, not just staying
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in your hotel for a long periods of time. He
mentioned that, and so it's something that is different for
the New Zealand perspective. And I thought the parts that
he spoke about the spin in the first innings that
players getting frustrated the spinners.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
And that's a good thing.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
You can talk until you're red in the face about
accuracy and consistency, but until the bowlers have actually felt it,
it's quite difficult to get through to them.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
It's just a couple of words.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
I enjoyed the fact that he noticed that their players,
the Bangladesk players say, play spin so well, they.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Look so comfortable.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
No, absolutely, and you know, manipulating the ball and using
the increase and playing the sweep and so on.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
But it brings up an important point, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
You learn as well, not just from batting or from
bowling or fielding. You learn from watching the other side play,
and particularly the locals play, who have been in those
conditions all their lives.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
So that was interesting to me.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
You mentioned Addie Ashok and you spoke to him about
nice to have a bowler who can turn it both ways.
I would also mention Linux because he was at the
other end, wasn't he And he's been quite tight and
tidy and accurate and those things we've talked about all tour.
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So you know, the heat he mentioned Carter going off
of heat stroke.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Joe Carter.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I guess it's Joe, not Bob guard of the coach.
He wouldn't be taken off the heat stroke with just
from watching And yeah, I think I really quite enjoyed
the whole interview.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Actually, as you say, good to hear a player.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
They don't normally let us speak to the players, do
not us anyway. That's hard and it's good to get
him this time.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, and he's you know, and I thought it was
interesting and important too to talk about his season because
as he said, it's the best season he's had. And
you know, players care about those sorts of things, don't.
They look at their stats. They want to achieve. He
got an international selection at the end of it. There
are other players who haven't quite performed on the source
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of Muhammed Bass, who is, you know, an up and
coming young player, but probably ten years younger than than
Nick Kelly, you know, and obviously Kelly and Carter, and
perhaps somebody like Mitch Hay who's been around the scene
for a while, are helping some of these other guys
come to grips with playing in the subcontinent. They've had
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a couple of tours there. It's good development for them.
And you know, the heat aspects. We underplay the heat
aspect to some extent because you know what it's like.
You've played in really hot conditions that you know it
can It can tear you apart, can't. It can take
your mind off the game, you can lose concentration, you
can make mistakes easily when you're fatigued, and you know,
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to be able to come out of that game with
a victory, I think they beat all the things that
were against them, including the elements. Yep.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I agree, spin and heat two rather different things for
New Zealanders to face this uncomfortable mix, but that to
be able to endure in those conditions, you know, using
your energy at the right times, I think is quite
an important thing as you developed as a player, pushing
yourself beyond the places where you've been and where you
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normally operate. You know, good cricketers make good decisions and
there are times when the decision is sensible that I'm
just going to play out a couple of overs, not
run really sharp singles all the time. And I remember
Turner telling me about that when he got those double
hundreds against the West End. He's a couple of timers
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and test matches there where he spent just time at
the crease, savoring and just looking after himself for maybe
five overs.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Important little times. I think that you have to do that.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
So that's an important again, All these little things wadds
that we're talking about help you to become a better player.
And they've got enough runs, haven't They just have just
got enough runs to to get a two to one
result in the the Eyes and now to lead this match.
And there have been been little responses from Foxcroft and
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Hay and Kelly in this match. And Carter's got a
few Phillips got a few in the Odie Eyes. So
there's been just enough throughout to keep them in games.
They're having to fight all the time.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yep, they're certainly having to fight to the start of
the final game in duk Aren. We'll keep a check
on that and next week have a chat about the
successes of the Tower. What was the hottest you played
cricket and it was against the West Indies, Ghana Holding
Marshall and everybody else. I mean they carried a bit
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of heat, didn't they.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Different type of heat, was different type of heat that
it was, Yes, it was certainly the sun was beaming
down as well, but yeah, I think probably Sri Lanka
for the humidity. I remember Key, Oh yeah, I remember
ke ends one day bowling a relatively long spell and
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having to shine the ball on his socks because they
were the driest part of his clothing that he had.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I remember.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
The doc Doc Edmund's coming out and he used to
come out at drinks with this huge picture of just
water and it was It wasn't for us, it was
for John Wright, John Right, and the covers just stood
there and said, okay, Doc up ended.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
And he did up ended it completely.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Over John Right, and you could hear him squelching round
and extra cover for about the next four overs before
his shoes were dry.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
It was right.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
He loved throwing water over people too, didn't he.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Oh he did. And yeah, you're quite right. We're not
going to go into those stories.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I remember, I've told the story I copped the full bucket.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Yeah, water botber down as you going out to the
bus to lead for the ground, having a nice little
warm shower, that's suddenly a buck of the cold water
all over you are lots of people, lots of people chased, righty.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Oh, yes, I think there are a lot of people
that had to get one back, so to speak.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
We might talk to about it.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
If we can track him down and he's home from India,
we might talk to him about it. At some stage.
We've searched for Writy, haven't we, But he always seems
to be away from our grasp.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
But we'll get him.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
We'll get him about that.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Brian Waddle, Jeremy Coney on the front foot talk.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
About Test cricket. Jerry, we've got a Test men now.
I still can't work it out. The Test match against
them Babwe with England is actually a four day game
and I found that it was. Yeah, Lawrence Booth mentioned
that and I sort of thought, well, that's a bit's strange.
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But it is four days and I've read where England
are paying Zimbabwe to play there, so they obviously need
the warm up match before they have their upcoming series
and they've got quite a big year. But prior to
the series, Brendan McCullum, and the head coach of the side,
is called on England to improve their humility as they
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begin a year that will define his spell in charge.
McCollum has said, it's not just about what you do
on the cricket field. It's how you carry yourself. It's
how you interact with the public. It's the messaging that
you give. But one of their problems, of course, that
they've been told off for playing golf and putting too
much time into golf and putting their golf clubs first
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on the carousel when they get on an airplane. But
I can't look out what actually means by humility to
improve their humility. Have they seen as too arrogant? I
thought arrogance was an important part of being a top
level performer.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Yeah, but not off the field. Ones, That's what he's saying.
You can certainly back yourself when you're in the game
and out there once you step over the white line.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
But once.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Once you actually speak in the media in particular, is
what he's talking about, isn't he. And he's saying, look,
just carry yourselves a bit more carefully, guys. And there
is a difference between listening to us talk and the
changing room and when you're out speaking with the microphone,
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you know, thrust at your face. So I think there
has been a bit of a bit of complaint about
the way that they do speak, and I think he's
probably agreed with that and has spoken to his team
about it. I think the other thing about it is
they're starting to what have they had since they've had
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twenty five tests? I think it is they won thirteen
and lost eleven, so one drawn maybe for rain I
don't know, but you know, as you just said that,
it puts them sort of in that middle ground.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
How they're second.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
I got quite surprised when I saw they are now
ranked second.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Doesn't seem quite right to me.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
But this year I think England are about winning and
losing test matches more than it has been in the past,
more than when the arrival of McCullum, and certainly over
I think this year the method that he's espoused and
spoken about in the process that he's forging which has
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dominated their game. It's about winning and losing matches and
they'll be looking very much to I would have thought
trying bullies them. They're playing at Trent Bridge, as you know,
four days, very good pitch, usually dry, good carry lightning,
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fast across the ground, very short boundary to one side
the Bridgeford road side. The weather's been really good in
the UK, but I believe there's a wee bit of
rain this weekend, so we'll keep an eye on that.
But look, they could bully Zimbabwe maybe with the bat
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because it's such a fast scoring ground and I think
maybe Atkinson, Josh Tungue, Sam Cook maybe they might be
a bit accurate.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
We'll wait and see.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Strange things can happen and cricket, can't they And it's
been what twenty oddeas?
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Would it be twenty years since they've played each other.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, about twenty two, I think something like that.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Yeah, twenty two, that's right.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
I was there they're at Chester the Street two thousand
and three and watched that game. And they have had,
of course a self imposed exile for five or six years,
and then they've had the bit with with mcgarby.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Of course that kept a lot of sides away.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
They've got eleven tests this year wards you said they
had a few games. Eleven tests, How that would be
the most they've ever had.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
I would think in a season.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It's it's good for them though, isn't it. That's the
way they're fantastic, you know. And they've got this guy
who's the leading Test. We could take it this.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Year, Blessed Mother of Barney.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
That's the guy. Haven't he got twenty six? I'll beat
you to it, but that's not twenty six wickets? Probably
young guy.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I think he's Oh he's six foot eight.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
And it's it's his third lot of six wickets he
got against when they won at Silette against Bangladesh recently
and that sent the I p L. They came calling
Andy Flower as the coach of the IPL.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Of course where's he from? And so.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yeah, I think that's his third loss, third a lot
of Tests, six wickets, But you know he's done very well. Indeed,
they've got they've got got another couple of guys. They're batsmen.
We know more wads, don't we. Secundar Raza now.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
He is he there?
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Yeah, he's at the PCL A little he's been at
the PCL, but I think he's on the tour. They've
got Ben Curran is a name that you and I
would know. Tom and Sam are his brothers. Remember Kevin
was the dad played at Northampton's and also played for
Zimbabwe in the eighties. Craig Irvine, we know Sean Williams,
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we know they're the batsmen. I don't know quite so
many of the bowlers, I'd have to say, but look
see how they go. See if they can hang in
there and not get well behind too early on in
the match.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
YEP. That's going to be the interesting defeature for them
because they have got an opportunity. They'll be up against
a fairly powerful batting lineup in England. I think they've
picked the predictable batting lineup. There's probably Jacob Bethel who's
likely to come in and this guy Roue who seems
to be making waves in terms of scoring runs, who
could come into consideration. But you won't see them change
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their batting lineup too much England. But they'll preserve their
bowlers pretty well, I would imagine.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Yeah, the bowling lineup is Atkinson. They picked the side,
haven't they. Atkinson, Josh Tungue who played against the Aussies.
He's the quickest around in the county circuit. Sam Cooker
is the guy that less not in terms of speed,
zippy not high pace, but he's at the stumps. He
nips it, he swings it. He's got more than three
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hundred first class wickets, probably the most in the last
five years of anybody in county cricket. And so those
are the three seemers and then Shah Basher they're sticking
with as well. So it's interesting. It's an interesting side on,
isn't it having Crawley there? Having Pope with a Hope?
I'm not sure, you know, is he a keeper? Is
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he a number three? Is he a utility player who
bats six as he did in New Zealand?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yeah, that's the question. Is he a number three? I
think he's a he's a Test match quality player, but
is it necessarily at number three? I mean I see him, well,
he's done reasonably well in that role, hasn't he. But
I see him as a sort of a four or
five stroke maker rather than a number three. But who
is there number three in England? You know they're still
struggling with Crawley, aren't they yet? There are a lot
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of openers in England county cricket scoring good runs but
can't be seen. Got a double century the other week,
but you know twenty eight, he's not seen as sort
of material for the England side.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Now, yeah, well that's the whole question, isn't it have
this selection group they have they looked at performance or
do they look at talent and attributes? Those are the questions.
I think we know the answer that they've tended to
look at the second group rather than the first. But
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now they seem to be softening a bit on that.
When you look at someone like Sam Cook who's got
all the wickets and got all the results and the performances,
now he comes into the side.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, it's a case of having to play yourself out
of the England so I'd rather than play yourself in,
isn't it?
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yep? Totally totally.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
So that'll be an interesting I mean that whole year,
This whole year is going to be very interesting watching
this England.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Side most definitely, and it's going to be interesting in
Test cricket watching the West Indies who have just been
beaten by Ireland in a short form game and they're
starting to rearrange themselves. They've rearranged the captaincy of the
West Indies side a guy called Ross and Chase you
we've seen out here. He's been appointed captain. He hasn't
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played a match in the Test format for more than
two years, and he replaces Craig Breathway, he stepped down
from the result from the who stepped down from the
position and is no longer wanting to be captain. I
think the other contenders with the keeper Joshua to silver
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fellow called John Campbell who's served suspension in the West
Indies game recently, and the baller Jamel Warrick. The interesting
thing for me, Jerry, and as a former New Zealand captain,
I do understand your belief in the reasoning behind the appointment.
The Cricket West Indies released and each candidate went through
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a detailed assessment process that included psychometric testing to evaluate
leadership style, behavior and overall suitability for the role, as
well as structured interviews focused on technical approach, communication skills
and team culture. Jesus, if you pass that test, you
deserve to be captain.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
I just thought, I just thought it was more that
they watched you while while you were playing, and the
decisions you kind of made and the fields that you
set and how long each bowler got a bowl, you know,
and decisions off the field too. Goodness, gracious me, I
wouldn't have can you be half? The New Zealand captains
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wouldn't have made it with that sort of those sort
of questions for him, and say can you see can
you see Jeff Howith making that? Goodness? And he was
our most successful captain, he and Fleming? Can you see
them sitting down doing a psychometric test.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
That I can't work? Well, what is a psychometric test?
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Well, that's well, it's metric whatever it does, it's not imperial.
You don't do a psycho imperial test.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Did I say, did you pass the psychometric testing?
Speaker 3 (38:24):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
I had nothing to do with any of that. And
thankfully that wasn't the way that that that they picked
picked captains. Then in those days there was general surprise,
I would have to say, around around most people and
the cricketing circles. But no, no, none of that, No
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no interviews. Of course, Taylor and McCullum had to go
through a presidential interview process, didn't They were They were
both some of there to speak to a panel of people.
But that's the only time and and look at the
trouble that caused, you know, so yeah, I don't know
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it's a good thing. But Royce hasn't played for the
last two years a Test match.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
They be watching cricketer. Well, he's obviously got on the
right side of the selectors because I think he might
be from Barbados. I'm not too sure where he calls home,
and it's it's just just an interesting selection point of
view because they've been struggling and we haven't got much
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time to talk about it this week. But I mean,
when you're picking your captain, don't you leave it to
the coach. Wouldn't you coach want to be working closely
with the captain and New Zealand Cricket have got to
look at their coaching setup because there's due to be
one appointed. Well, Tom Latham is the New Zealand captain
at the moment. If that changes, wouldn't the coach or
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the high performance director or Gary Stead whatever role he has.
I sort of see him taking over the bright astronic role.
We don't know, but they are interesting features that we
can look forward to when it comes to what happens
to the New Zealand side.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Yeah, and presumably wadds they will take. They'll pick the contracts,
won't they Prior to that and prior to that July part.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Don't they have to pick the contract, put the contract
players out after they've got a new coach or you
know to me, oh, yes, they do scenario, but they've
got to do it shortly because in July they're going
to test mentioned zimbabwee.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
So certainly the coach will have to be named prior
to that so that he's there for that contract process.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Yes, And I guess Mike Sandal.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Will be there, will he He's I've seen him at
a few of the of the games as well.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
He's the executive director and hands out the boarding passes,
doesn't he does?
Speaker 4 (41:10):
And yeah, I guess someone from they'll have someone from
the board there, won't they will.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
They have.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Probably Dian Nash or Roger Two's on the board cricket.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
They'll have former cricketers who are on the boards.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah, so yeah, that'll be investigating, all right. I'll do
some investigating during the week, Jerry. If you can just
put your feed up, take it easy, have a nice
gentle Chartie. I know I mentioned that, but I know
you love you. Chardi's from down there. And I will
develop a psychometric test for you.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Am I capable of drinking this extra glass tonight? Argument?
That's quite true, self true, self control and discipline always always.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Well, you'll be right, I'm sure, because we'll talk about that,
we'll talk about the Test match and other things. Is
plenty going on in the cricket world. Some of it
is still very hard to untangle from the administrative mesh
that it's got caught up in, but we'll do our
best to cover it. You take an eat, you look
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out for the body.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
We'll do what good to chat. Take careful summer.
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Hello, We're back on the front foot this week. We
celebrate the eighteen success in Bangladesh against the Elements England
that take a new attitude and a new team into
the Zimbabwe Test. And the West Indies name a new
Test captain after an exhaustive program back to some normality
in the cricket ward. It's hard to believe the IPL
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still game. I thought they were going to finish that off.
The PSL has got itself back on track and there
minus some of their original signings from abscondent when hostilities
broke out and a Test match duet Lord's goodness, gracious
me a Test match. But our team in Bangladesh in
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Select now into their final game in Dhaka. A good
win in Select, Jeremy Cooney, but I'm encouraged by that effort,
because we all know Bangladesh is not an easy place
to tour anywhere on the subcondinent. It's not an easy
place to tour.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
It isn't.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
You're quite right, very different from what the players are
accustomed to. I thought when you said we're going back
to some normality, you might say, oh, a four day games,
and I thought you might be referring to the A side.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
But yeah, and a test match. Look, I enjoyed.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
I enjoyed watching a bit of that game. I didn't
see a lot, but clearly they got the worst of
the weather in the sense that it was a bit
wet early on and they were put in so they
had to cope with that. Then they had to suppress
the bangladeshings who were batting perhaps at the best time
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in the game, and so they really prevented them getting
a big lead, which was very important, bouncing a bit
of seam in the first couple of days, and then
obviously spin coming into play, but spin only one wicket
in the first two innings of the match.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, interesting there, and we'll talk about that in just
a tackle. So, because you know, looking back at that game,
runs were hard to come by. Nick Kelly showed the
value of his experience and scoring what could have been
the match when innings before Addie Ashock produced the individual
bowling highlight of a match with his third i Wick
(03:08):
Hall in limited first class career, and that's the spin
element that Jerry was talking about perhaps in the early
part of the match. Nick Kelly is the co captain
along with Joe Carter. They've both got experience. Carter went
to India with the Last Day team they're now in
Deaca and Nick Kelly was able to join on the
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front foot and Nick, it must have been satisfying to
record that one once.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Yeah, it was was unbelievably satisfying. You know, we started
with the three one dayers and I know the series
ended two one, but I think if you asked the
boys we we would probably say we were pretty outplayed
in their conditions.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
So to bounce back.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Over four days and and sit back at the end
of that game was unbelievably rewarding. So you know, the
guys have been over here learning quite a bit. You know,
it's a reasonably short to us, so you know we
sort of arrived and had two days training and then
went straight into it. So you know, there's a lot
of guys out here have never been to the subcontinent before,
so they've been trying to learn on their feet pretty quickly.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
But like I said, you know, getting that win was
pretty satisfying.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
There's obviously lessons are plenty, but firstly the fact that
you were able to win a four day game. That
was a bit of a challenge because the weather conditions
didn't play a major part and they are a very
strong opposition in terms of in their own country, aren't.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
They yea one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
You know, we saw a stat after the game that
I think they've got They had I think eighty nine
test caps between them and we had zero. So you know,
when we heard that, it was even cooler feeling.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Like you said, the.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Weather played a little bit of a part. You know,
there was lights, there was lights on the ground, which
was cool, but you know with the red ball that
obviously can't get too dark, so you know, we were
losing over most days. And then just with the climate there,
like these massive thunderstorms just coming quickly and you know
they hang around for a bit that the drainage of
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the ground is unbelievable, so you know, the ground a
couple of days with underwater and then within half an
hour forty five minutes, you know, with the numerous groundsmen
and the drainage systems, we were able to get back on.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
So that was awesome.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
And then yeah, when the sun did come out, it
was it was pretty challenging, it was pretty hot, so yeah,
it was.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
It was just an awesome experience for the group.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
You were put in. So that helped it in terms
of I suppose the ability to be bowling last. And
it seemed from what we were able to see here
and we're ucky enough to be able to see it
on the internet, that the spin bowlers are enjoying the
conditions and it's a great development phase for them, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Yeah, definitely, you know they you know, bowling spin in
New Zealand as a tough art.
Speaker 6 (05:59):
You know, there's not a lot on offer.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
You know, most of the time you have to use
the drift store or the bounce to get your wickets.
But over here, you know, as the days went on
in the game, more so day three and four, you know,
the pitcher started to dry out just with that, with
that heat, and you know they were pretty frustrated up
their first innings.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
You know, they didn't probably get the reward that.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
They would have liked, but they were unbelievably accurate and
so you know, just keep reminding the boys that you
know you will get your rewards just hanging there. And
then on day four, I'm not sure if you're watching,
but you know, it all happened pretty quickly.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Eddie Eshock got those three wickets in and over and you.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Know it was getting pretty dark there at one stage,
so you know we didn't think, you know, we might
not be able to get over the line.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
But yeah, the spinners were just unbelievable in this game.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, it managed to see the final day and I
guess that's what spinners are therefore, to be able to
clean up a game in the fourth innings after the
seamers or others have done the job early on. And
that was an absolutely remarkable finish and just shows the
value of a leg spinner in any side, doesn't.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Yeah obviously played for Wellington and we've got Peter young husband,
and you know, it's such a blessing having someone who
can turn the ball both ways, especially when you get
down to sort of seven eight nineteen eleven. You know,
the way they played spin over here was unbelievably impressive.
And you know, when you're out out in the field
roaming around, it can sometimes seem like that they're so
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on top, just with the way that they manipulate strike
and you know.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Use their sweep shots and use the crease.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
And you know, the spinners were getting a little bit
frustrated at times. But then, like you said, you know,
having a lade spinner who can spin the ball both ways,
and you know, you just you just had to open
up one end and get a new batsman out there,
and then you just see how well they actually are
bowling and how much it is turning. And then you know,
we were just lucky enough to run through them just
before we were called off for the light. So yeah,
it was a pretty cool day.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, it's always had for a new batchman coming to
the crease too, to adjust himself to turn eye. I
sense that there's not a huge amount of turn, but
just enough for the bowlers.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Yeah, we're actually quite quite surprised the first couple of days.
Wait for the first two innings actly, there was only
one wicket to spin for the first two innings. You know,
the scene is there was actually probably a little bit
more balance and scene movement than we would have thought.
Their scene has bold unbelievably well in that first innings,
we thought, but yeah, I think it's just building up
those remps, making sure you're staying nice and patient, making
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sure you're staying you know, really nice and accurate. And
then I found when I was out there batting, it was,
you know, it wasn't turning that much. And then within
a two or three over period, just with the way
that the how hot the sun is and it was
drying out the wicket and all of a sudden just
started doing quite a bit.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
And it was probably halfway through.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
That second session on day three where you know, it
probably started to turn a little bit more. And then
by the time we got into day four it was
you know, there was quite a consider considerable amount of turns.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
So you know, it's good learnings for everyone here.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
You know, like I said before, there's a lot of
guys here on their first tour, so it'd be nice
to bank those experiences for the next time we come over.
And then yeah, we've got the Ducker Ducker game which
starts tomorrow, and we had a look at that work
at yesterday and you know looks completely different, a lot
darker soil. I think it might turn a little bit
more from from days one and two. So just you know,
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another cool challenge for the boys to experience.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You talk about challenges, so you're any society one hundred
and twenty two. Big scores have not been the norm,
have they? The Bangadesha. I'd have had a couple of
century makers, But it's been a real challenge for the
batsman in the conditions over there, hasn't it.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Yeah, Yeah, it's it's probably been a mixture of you know,
some pretty good bowling mixed with I think it's the
heat as well. Like to be honest, that was probably
the hardest hardest day of cracket I've ever had out
there in our day three is during that century, you know,
unbelievably rewarding. But if I think back to the physical
told that you know I was under you know, we
had a we had Joe card of the Skipper go
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off with Pete stroke and you know, just even watching
their seamers, you know, the spells were short and sharp,
but you know at the end of the spells that
were they were going off as they were pretty cooked.
And yeah, I think you know, the wickets have been
challenging for us just in terms of getting used to
the bounce, and you know, the spin hasn't been massive,
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but you know it's just different to what we're used
to back home. So yeah, I guess, you know, moving
into this last game, you know the few o the
boys have looked at, you know, scorecards from previous Ducker tests,
and like you said, even even the tests and and
Dhaka have been pretty low scoring, so you know, there
might not be too many centuries in this game.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
It might be you know, how how do we get
out there.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
And score as quickly as possible before you know boll
has your name on it.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, in terms of the betting, if you say, they
haven't been consistent high scores, but nice cameos from various
individuals within the betting lineup, which helps to either keep
the scoreboard close or give you a slight advantage. Was
the bat.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Yeah, Yeah, it's you know, it's when you look back
on a game, you know, there's there's there's always a
little contributions that helped towards a win, and you know,
when guys are getting in and getting twenty thirties and forties.
You know, they come off, they're pretty frustrated with how
they've gone, you know, how they've got out, and but
then you know, you think back to you know, just
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giving guys cutting themselves a little bit of slack and going,
look like this is the first time for or you know,
big eighties or hundreds and those small contributions, especially in
a low scoring game where I don't think anyone in
the in the game scored over three hundred millies. You know,
you need guys to be able to chip in and
score those twenties, thirties and forties, so you know, when
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one or two other guys do stand up and get
those bigger scores, you can you can put a competitive
total on the board, which is what we're able to do.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
I thought, pretty well.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
You be happy, I suppose even though it looks like
a very good stadium, just to get away and play
at a different stadium. You probably almost checked them to
live at the ground in that place, sevn't you.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
Yeah, yeah, we're actually only there.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
It might have been two two and a half weeks,
but it felt a lot longer than that.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
Just pretty much the hotel on the.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Ground that we're allowed to go to so Yeah, I
think I think a few of the boys, especially after that,
when we're pretty happy to get on the plane and
get to Ducker and just you.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
Know, get in a new hotel, new environment.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Ducker obviously a lot more going on than there's like
twenty twenty five million people here. So even just just
added challenge and travel to the ground, you know, it
takes a lot longer, you know, keep more people, which
is awesome. But yeah, like you said, we're pretty happy
to get out of so Let The hospitality from Banglaish
cricket has been unbelievable, but yeah, you know, it's always
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nice to mix it up, especially after a win.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
You come away with good experiences from this tour and
every player in some form or other has been able
to contribute. And you've got to bear in mind that
the majority of the team have been the highly performed
players in our domestic competition, haven't they. I mean, you
and Moa Bass and anothers have made your international appearances.
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But you know, it's it's backing up a season of
pretty good performances by everybody on the side, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Yeah, Yeah, there's you know, you look through the list
of fifteen guys that are here, and you know, they
all demand.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Their spot in the team.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
And you know, you speak to some guys and you
know they're pretty happy with how they too have gone.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
To has gone, and then you speak.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
To others and you know they're pretty disappointed. But I
think that's probably the role for the older guys in
the group, like myself and Joe, and just reminding them that,
you know, just because you've had a tough to it
doesn't make you any worse of a player or any
you know, it doesn't you know, degrade from the season
that you had in New Zealand. You know, like these
are all experiences. We're all here learning and think that's
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just part of cricket, you know, like we're all looking
to get better. And I think part of that is
exposing yourself to foreign conditions. And I know the guys
over here that have struggled, the next time they come
to the subcontinent they'll be so much better for it.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
But yeah, it's just it's an awesome.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Challenge, I guess, you know, whether a twenty year old
or like myself and you know, thirty thirty one, just
learning learning how to you know, perform outside of New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, we're an experienced player. You've had a very good
season for Wellington, an award winner in the Firebirds camp.
How are you assessing your performance throughout the season leading
up into this and the century you got in silet?
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Yeah, it was. It was an unbelievable season for me.
Statistically probably it was my best season, so it was. Yeah,
it was awesome obviously to get the reward at the
end of that season to play for the black Caps.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
You know, it was a will wind experience for me.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Looking back on it, you know, it alway would have
been nice to score a few more runs, but I
guess as you.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
Get older, you kind of got to.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Just know that the you know, those experiences are invaluable
and you know it'll be one of the highlights of
my career and hopefully it's not the last time I
get to put on the black Caps jersey. And then,
you know, after after reflecting on the season and the
black Caps experience for a couple of weeks or so,
it was just awesome to get straight back into it
and come over to Bangladesh and like I said before,
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you know, it was a pretty tough start for some
of us. I guess that's the challenge of touring and
you just got to stay locked in and keep training hard.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
And you know.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
It was it was Like I said before, it was
probably one of the most rewarding endings I've ever had
over here after after you know, the lead up to it.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
And in terms of wearing the black cap shit again.
I suppose all the guys are also conscious of the
fact that the game or two coming up of South
Africa isn't there.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
So there's another there's another New Zealand a tour of
South Africa. I think that goes from August to September,
and then there's a Zimbabwe tour in July August for
the for the Test team with a couple of Tea
twenties chucked in there, so you know, it'll be interesting
to see what that side looks like. They've obviously got
have got the head coach roll up for Grams as well,
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so I guess once they name that they'll get a
bit of clarity around you know, what side they want
to take there. And yeah, obviously you know there's a
lot of guys over here put up their hands with
some pretty nice performances, So yeah, it'll be it'll be
exciting a couple of months ahead.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, well, pleanny to play for all the best. Hope
the the success continues through the final game in Bangadesh
and then the majority of the players on hand for
the African Tour. Thanks for your time, Nick.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Here's what thanks for having met Kelly with us on
the front foot and Jarry.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
It's good to hear cricketers talking honestly about how they
feel about what they're facing over there. Often you hear
them trying to just deflect and say, you know, that's
the way it was, that dada dada dada party line.
But he talked about the things that he found difficult
the other players have found different, the real challenges. And
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again it's not so much about the actual result. It's
how they get to the result, isn't it and what
they do along the way because they're not picking the
same team on each game. So you know, it was
a good reflection and I think that highlights the value
of the win.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
I enjoyed listening to it once. He's quite an experienced player,
isn't he, Nick Kelly?
Speaker 3 (17:54):
What is he?
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Nearly thirty two, nearly born Dare we say it in Australia.
Then he came right sixty sixty one first class matches,
he's averaging thirty nine. He's also played, I think, in
the Caribbean League, hasn't He played for sort of Saint
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Kitts Nevis that side. So an experienced first class player
also played franchise, and so he's had plenty of time
to experience some disappointments and enjoy some success as well.
And there's that feeling you can have as he talks.
He's more reflective, I think. And it hasn't been all
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success for him on this tour, not fourteen nineteen twenty
and then that last innings in the second and one
hundred and twenty two. So and that made a difference
in the game really in terms of the runs, didn't it.
I enjoyed the way they hung in the game. I
enjoyed it when he told me how little experienced the
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New Zealand ay side had zero caps and ten fists
and Bangladesh had eighty nine. I think that's quite telling,
isn't it. One of those difficult things that you spoke
about in touring Bangladesh. Not just the heat he mentioned that,
not just the thunderstorms. He mentioned that, not just staying
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in your hotel for a long periods of time. He
mentioned that, and so it's something that is different for
the New Zealand perspective. And I thought the parts that
he spoke about the spin in the first innings that
players getting frustrated the spinners.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
And that's a good thing.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
You can talk until you're red in the face about
accuracy and consistency, but until the bowlers have actually felt it,
it's quite difficult to get through to them.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
It's just a couple of words.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
I enjoyed the fact that he noticed that their players,
the Bangladesk players say, play spin so well, they.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Look so comfortable.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
No, absolutely, and you know, manipulating the ball and using
the increase and playing the sweep and so on.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
But it brings up an important point, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
You learn as well, not just from batting or from
bowling or fielding. You learn from watching the other side play,
and particularly the locals play, who have been in those
conditions all their lives.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
So that was interesting to me.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
You mentioned Addie Ashok and you spoke to him about
nice to have a bowler who can turn it both ways.
I would also mention Linux because he was at the
other end, wasn't he And he's been quite tight and
tidy and accurate and those things we've talked about all tour.
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So you know, the heat he mentioned Carter going off
of heat stroke.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Joe Carter.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I guess it's Joe, not Bob guard of the coach.
He wouldn't be taken off the heat stroke with just
from watching And yeah, I think I really quite enjoyed
the whole interview.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Actually, as you say, good to hear a player.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
They don't normally let us speak to the players, do
not us anyway. That's hard and it's good to get
him this time.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, and he's you know, and I thought it was
interesting and important too to talk about his season because
as he said, it's the best season he's had. And
you know, players care about those sorts of things, don't.
They look at their stats. They want to achieve. He
got an international selection at the end of it. There
are other players who haven't quite performed on the source
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of Muhammed Bass, who is, you know, an up and
coming young player, but probably ten years younger than than
Nick Kelly, you know, and obviously Kelly and Carter, and
perhaps somebody like Mitch Hay who's been around the scene
for a while, are helping some of these other guys
come to grips with playing in the subcontinent. They've had
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a couple of tours there. It's good development for them.
And you know, the heat aspects. We underplay the heat
aspect to some extent because you know what it's like.
You've played in really hot conditions that you know it
can It can tear you apart, can't. It can take
your mind off the game, you can lose concentration, you
can make mistakes easily when you're fatigued, and you know,
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to be able to come out of that game with
a victory, I think they beat all the things that
were against them, including the elements. Yep.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I agree, spin and heat two rather different things for
New Zealanders to face this uncomfortable mix, but that to
be able to endure in those conditions, you know, using
your energy at the right times, I think is quite
an important thing as you developed as a player, pushing
yourself beyond the places where you've been and where you
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normally operate. You know, good cricketers make good decisions and
there are times when the decision is sensible that I'm
just going to play out a couple of overs, not
run really sharp singles all the time. And I remember
Turner telling me about that when he got those double
hundreds against the West End. He's a couple of timers
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and test matches there where he spent just time at
the crease, savoring and just looking after himself for maybe
five overs.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Important little times. I think that you have to do that.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
So that's an important again, All these little things wadds
that we're talking about help you to become a better player.
And they've got enough runs, haven't They just have just
got enough runs to to get a two to one
result in the the Eyes and now to lead this match.
And there have been been little responses from Foxcroft and
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Hay and Kelly in this match. And Carter's got a
few Phillips got a few in the Odie Eyes. So
there's been just enough throughout to keep them in games.
They're having to fight all the time.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yep, they're certainly having to fight to the start of
the final game in duk Aren. We'll keep a check
on that and next week have a chat about the
successes of the Tower. What was the hottest you played
cricket and it was against the West Indies, Ghana Holding
Marshall and everybody else. I mean they carried a bit
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of heat, didn't they.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Different type of heat, was different type of heat that
it was, Yes, it was certainly the sun was beaming
down as well, but yeah, I think probably Sri Lanka
for the humidity. I remember Key, Oh yeah, I remember
ke ends one day bowling a relatively long spell and
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having to shine the ball on his socks because they
were the driest part of his clothing that he had.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I remember.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
The doc Doc Edmund's coming out and he used to
come out at drinks with this huge picture of just
water and it was It wasn't for us, it was
for John Wright, John Right, and the covers just stood
there and said, okay, Doc up ended.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
And he did up ended it completely.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Over John Right, and you could hear him squelching round
and extra cover for about the next four overs before
his shoes were dry.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
It was right.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
He loved throwing water over people too, didn't he.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Oh he did. And yeah, you're quite right. We're not
going to go into those stories.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I remember, I've told the story I copped the full bucket.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Yeah, water botber down as you going out to the
bus to lead for the ground, having a nice little
warm shower, that's suddenly a buck of the cold water
all over you are lots of people, lots of people chased, righty.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Oh, yes, I think there are a lot of people
that had to get one back, so to speak.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
We might talk to about it.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
If we can track him down and he's home from India,
we might talk to him about it. At some stage.
We've searched for Writy, haven't we, But he always seems
to be away from our grasp.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
But we'll get him.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
We'll get him about that.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Brian Waddle, Jeremy Coney on the front foot talk.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
About Test cricket. Jerry, we've got a Test men now.
I still can't work it out. The Test match against
them Babwe with England is actually a four day game
and I found that it was. Yeah, Lawrence Booth mentioned
that and I sort of thought, well, that's a bit's strange.
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But it is four days and I've read where England
are paying Zimbabwe to play there, so they obviously need
the warm up match before they have their upcoming series
and they've got quite a big year. But prior to
the series, Brendan McCullum, and the head coach of the side,
is called on England to improve their humility as they
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begin a year that will define his spell in charge.
McCollum has said, it's not just about what you do
on the cricket field. It's how you carry yourself. It's
how you interact with the public. It's the messaging that
you give. But one of their problems, of course, that
they've been told off for playing golf and putting too
much time into golf and putting their golf clubs first
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on the carousel when they get on an airplane. But
I can't look out what actually means by humility to
improve their humility. Have they seen as too arrogant? I
thought arrogance was an important part of being a top
level performer.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Yeah, but not off the field. Ones, That's what he's saying.
You can certainly back yourself when you're in the game
and out there once you step over the white line.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
But once.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Once you actually speak in the media in particular, is
what he's talking about, isn't he. And he's saying, look,
just carry yourselves a bit more carefully, guys. And there
is a difference between listening to us talk and the
changing room and when you're out speaking with the microphone,
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you know, thrust at your face. So I think there
has been a bit of a bit of complaint about
the way that they do speak, and I think he's
probably agreed with that and has spoken to his team
about it. I think the other thing about it is
they're starting to what have they had since they've had
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twenty five tests? I think it is they won thirteen
and lost eleven, so one drawn maybe for rain I
don't know, but you know, as you just said that,
it puts them sort of in that middle ground.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
How they're second.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
I got quite surprised when I saw they are now
ranked second.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Doesn't seem quite right to me.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
But this year I think England are about winning and
losing test matches more than it has been in the past,
more than when the arrival of McCullum, and certainly over
I think this year the method that he's espoused and
spoken about in the process that he's forging which has
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dominated their game. It's about winning and losing matches and
they'll be looking very much to I would have thought
trying bullies them. They're playing at Trent Bridge, as you know,
four days, very good pitch, usually dry, good carry lightning,
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fast across the ground, very short boundary to one side
the Bridgeford road side. The weather's been really good in
the UK, but I believe there's a wee bit of
rain this weekend, so we'll keep an eye on that.
But look, they could bully Zimbabwe maybe with the bat
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because it's such a fast scoring ground and I think
maybe Atkinson, Josh Tungue, Sam Cook maybe they might be
a bit accurate.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
We'll wait and see.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Strange things can happen and cricket, can't they And it's
been what twenty oddeas?
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Would it be twenty years since they've played each other.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, about twenty two, I think something like that.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Yeah, twenty two, that's right.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
I was there they're at Chester the Street two thousand
and three and watched that game. And they have had,
of course a self imposed exile for five or six years,
and then they've had the bit with with mcgarby.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Of course that kept a lot of sides away.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
They've got eleven tests this year wards you said they
had a few games. Eleven tests, How that would be
the most they've ever had.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
I would think in a season.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It's it's good for them though, isn't it. That's the
way they're fantastic, you know. And they've got this guy
who's the leading Test. We could take it this.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Year, Blessed Mother of Barney.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
That's the guy. Haven't he got twenty six? I'll beat
you to it, but that's not twenty six wickets? Probably
young guy.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I think he's Oh he's six foot eight.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
And it's it's his third lot of six wickets he
got against when they won at Silette against Bangladesh recently
and that sent the I p L. They came calling
Andy Flower as the coach of the IPL.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Of course where's he from? And so.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yeah, I think that's his third loss, third a lot
of Tests, six wickets, But you know he's done very well. Indeed,
they've got they've got got another couple of guys. They're batsmen.
We know more wads, don't we. Secundar Raza now.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
He is he there?
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Yeah, he's at the PCL A little he's been at
the PCL, but I think he's on the tour. They've
got Ben Curran is a name that you and I
would know. Tom and Sam are his brothers. Remember Kevin
was the dad played at Northampton's and also played for
Zimbabwe in the eighties. Craig Irvine, we know Sean Williams,
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we know they're the batsmen. I don't know quite so
many of the bowlers, I'd have to say, but look
see how they go. See if they can hang in
there and not get well behind too early on in
the match.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
YEP. That's going to be the interesting defeature for them
because they have got an opportunity. They'll be up against
a fairly powerful batting lineup in England. I think they've
picked the predictable batting lineup. There's probably Jacob Bethel who's
likely to come in and this guy Roue who seems
to be making waves in terms of scoring runs, who
could come into consideration. But you won't see them change
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their batting lineup too much England. But they'll preserve their
bowlers pretty well, I would imagine.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Yeah, the bowling lineup is Atkinson. They picked the side,
haven't they. Atkinson, Josh Tungue who played against the Aussies.
He's the quickest around in the county circuit. Sam Cooker
is the guy that less not in terms of speed,
zippy not high pace, but he's at the stumps. He
nips it, he swings it. He's got more than three
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hundred first class wickets, probably the most in the last
five years of anybody in county cricket. And so those
are the three seemers and then Shah Basher they're sticking
with as well. So it's interesting. It's an interesting side on,
isn't it having Crawley there? Having Pope with a Hope?
I'm not sure, you know, is he a keeper? Is
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he a number three? Is he a utility player who
bats six as he did in New Zealand?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yeah, that's the question. Is he a number three? I
think he's a he's a Test match quality player, but
is it necessarily at number three? I mean I see him, well,
he's done reasonably well in that role, hasn't he. But
I see him as a sort of a four or
five stroke maker rather than a number three. But who
is there number three in England? You know they're still
struggling with Crawley, aren't they yet? There are a lot
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of openers in England county cricket scoring good runs but
can't be seen. Got a double century the other week,
but you know twenty eight, he's not seen as sort
of material for the England side.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Now, yeah, well that's the whole question, isn't it have
this selection group they have they looked at performance or
do they look at talent and attributes? Those are the questions.
I think we know the answer that they've tended to
look at the second group rather than the first. But
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now they seem to be softening a bit on that.
When you look at someone like Sam Cook who's got
all the wickets and got all the results and the performances,
now he comes into the side.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, it's a case of having to play yourself out
of the England so I'd rather than play yourself in,
isn't it?
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yep? Totally totally.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
So that'll be an interesting I mean that whole year,
This whole year is going to be very interesting watching
this England.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Side most definitely, and it's going to be interesting in
Test cricket watching the West Indies who have just been
beaten by Ireland in a short form game and they're
starting to rearrange themselves. They've rearranged the captaincy of the
West Indies side a guy called Ross and Chase you
we've seen out here. He's been appointed captain. He hasn't
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played a match in the Test format for more than
two years, and he replaces Craig Breathway, he stepped down
from the result from the who stepped down from the
position and is no longer wanting to be captain. I
think the other contenders with the keeper Joshua to silver
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fellow called John Campbell who's served suspension in the West
Indies game recently, and the baller Jamel Warrick. The interesting
thing for me, Jerry, and as a former New Zealand captain,
I do understand your belief in the reasoning behind the appointment.
The Cricket West Indies released and each candidate went through
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a detailed assessment process that included psychometric testing to evaluate
leadership style, behavior and overall suitability for the role, as
well as structured interviews focused on technical approach, communication skills
and team culture. Jesus, if you pass that test, you
deserve to be captain.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
I just thought, I just thought it was more that
they watched you while while you were playing, and the
decisions you kind of made and the fields that you
set and how long each bowler got a bowl, you know,
and decisions off the field too. Goodness, gracious me, I
wouldn't have can you be half? The New Zealand captains
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wouldn't have made it with that sort of those sort
of questions for him, and say can you see can
you see Jeff Howith making that? Goodness? And he was
our most successful captain, he and Fleming? Can you see
them sitting down doing a psychometric test.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
That I can't work? Well, what is a psychometric test?
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Well, that's well, it's metric whatever it does, it's not imperial.
You don't do a psycho imperial test.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Did I say, did you pass the psychometric testing?
Speaker 3 (38:24):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
I had nothing to do with any of that. And
thankfully that wasn't the way that that that they picked
picked captains. Then in those days there was general surprise,
I would have to say, around around most people and
the cricketing circles. But no, no, none of that, No
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no interviews. Of course, Taylor and McCullum had to go
through a presidential interview process, didn't They were They were
both some of there to speak to a panel of people.
But that's the only time and and look at the
trouble that caused, you know, so yeah, I don't know
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it's a good thing. But Royce hasn't played for the
last two years a Test match.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
They be watching cricketer. Well, he's obviously got on the
right side of the selectors because I think he might
be from Barbados. I'm not too sure where he calls home,
and it's it's just just an interesting selection point of
view because they've been struggling and we haven't got much
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time to talk about it this week. But I mean,
when you're picking your captain, don't you leave it to
the coach. Wouldn't you coach want to be working closely
with the captain and New Zealand Cricket have got to
look at their coaching setup because there's due to be
one appointed. Well, Tom Latham is the New Zealand captain
at the moment. If that changes, wouldn't the coach or
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the high performance director or Gary Stead whatever role he has.
I sort of see him taking over the bright astronic role.
We don't know, but they are interesting features that we
can look forward to when it comes to what happens
to the New Zealand side.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Yeah, and presumably wadds they will take. They'll pick the contracts,
won't they Prior to that and prior to that July part.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Don't they have to pick the contract, put the contract
players out after they've got a new coach or you
know to me, oh, yes, they do scenario, but they've
got to do it shortly because in July they're going
to test mentioned zimbabwee.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
So certainly the coach will have to be named prior
to that so that he's there for that contract process.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Yes, And I guess Mike Sandal.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Will be there, will he He's I've seen him at
a few of the of the games as well.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
He's the executive director and hands out the boarding passes,
doesn't he does?
Speaker 4 (41:10):
And yeah, I guess someone from they'll have someone from
the board there, won't they will.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
They have.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Probably Dian Nash or Roger Two's on the board cricket.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
They'll have former cricketers who are on the boards.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah, so yeah, that'll be investigating, all right. I'll do
some investigating during the week, Jerry. If you can just
put your feed up, take it easy, have a nice
gentle Chartie. I know I mentioned that, but I know
you love you. Chardi's from down there. And I will
develop a psychometric test for you.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Am I capable of drinking this extra glass tonight? Argument?
That's quite true, self true, self control and discipline always always.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Well, you'll be right, I'm sure, because we'll talk about that,
we'll talk about the Test match and other things. Is
plenty going on in the cricket world. Some of it
is still very hard to untangle from the administrative mesh
that it's got caught up in, but we'll do our
best to cover it. You take an eat, you look
(42:22):
out for the body.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
We'll do what good to chat. Take careful summer.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
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