July 2, 2025 • 40 mins
This week on On The Front Foot, Craig McMillan joined Bryan Waddle and Jeremy Coney to talk about the progress being made by the White Ferns A Team over in England.
They also discuss the predictable T20 squad named for the Zimbabwe series and who should be going over for it, as well as the controversy in the Caribbean.
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Hello, aggressively on the front foot again. What's been happening
in the War of cricket. But below in the twenty
side that the Zelo game to take sis in Babee
Conway sees Jamison not needed. Ferguson is looking after his
bowling loads. Our white Ferns Women's eighty on their most
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important assignment for some time. The West and his batsmen
are able to cope with the Ossie attack. Arch not
needed by England. Don't know about Bombra, We'll find that.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Out in due course.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
The County Championship in the UK enjoying the Indian summer
and the man who's enjoying it with them as Jeremy Coney,
and he's been watching cricket play where I think they
give you a run every.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Time you take a breath.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
At the Oval, Surrey managed a mere eight hundred and
twenty for nine, their highest county score.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I think Jerry Durman reply, three forty three.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
They're pore seventy seven behind. But there's other games as well.
North Ends six twenty four, Worcestershire struggling in the second
division sixty seventy nine for seven, Middle six five thirty four,
and on it goes.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
What is going on?
Speaker 6 (02:01):
I I hope you can hear me from this distance. Look, yes,
it's it's one of the four rounds.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
That's actually I think round.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
Two that the powers that be over in England have
decided that they're going to have an experiment where they
use the kooker barter ball and it's really for bowlers
to try and develop there and upskill themselves so that
they have a chance to bowl reverse swing and they
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also have a chance to use spin bowling a lot more.
Presumably when they go down into the Southern Hemisphere and
play against Australia, they are obsessed with Australia, of course,
and unfortunately it has left all the coaches and all
the players that are actually currently playing behind. They just
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can't stand it and I can understand when I looked
at this game of eight twenty eight twenty once, I mean,
at what point do you stop? They did score them
at a decent clip over five runs and over. That's
quite that's not a bad effort. Over one hundred and
sixty overs. Sibbys our mate Dom Sibbys sibly remember him
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three hundred and five and he actually between one hundred
and one hundred and fifty got there and forty balls
so he could show. And he opens for T twenty
for Surrey so he can play some shots, but prefers
not to.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
And then Sam Curran came up and batted four. He
got one hundred.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
He batted nicely, actually, then Lawrence came out and batted
even better, one hundred and seventy of about one hundred
and forty balls, and then Will Jacks.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Finished it off with another hundred.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
So they're all doing it.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
I mean, heaven's above eight twenty. He had to get
six hundred and seventy one to avoid the follow on.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
So at a four day game, oh, unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Anyway, we're up to day four now and we'll just
see what happens.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
What's the other thing about it is of course.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
The pitchers are not doing what they're supposed to do.
In cricket, there's a thing called entropy, where you slowly
things deteriorate and die, and that's exactly what a cricket
pitch should really ideally do. They shouldn't keep getting better
and better and better. But they are in England at
the moment now, whether that's the summer that or whether
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it's the fact that the heavy.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Rollers are being used a lot more, whether it's.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
The fact that they make their grounds over here so
rain averse. So soon as it drops bang down, it
goes and it drains away very quickly, so everything is
doing that and so the result of it all anyway,
I can only tell you as that they're roads. And
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that's why Stokes doesn't even think about when he wins
the toss. He doesn't think about batting. He just goes
straight to bowling and trying to get on with it
and then bat last. He wants to bat second and
fourth worked for them and headingly, So a change in
the game as far as that's concerned over here.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Not exciting stuff.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
But I know in the periods that you're not doing commentary,
you're probably doing what crochet, but a knitting or needle
work in mind or something.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Well, keep you excited.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
Well, all the guys that I'm commentating with actually are
all from Surrey, So as soon as they were getting
close to eight hundred, they knew the target was eight
hundred and thirteen or something or other, and a wicket
fell just on the stroke of tea and I turned
round to see all these men, grown, mature men weeping,
weeping heavily because they thought they were going to declare
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at that point and not take the extra ten runs. Well,
of course they came out after and got a few more,
and then there's smiles lit up.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Of course, ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
We don't play for bloody you know, things like rep hoards,
but they do.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
They think that's important. That's that's where the game is
here at the moment.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Well, some of the these elders have been playing over
there aren't playing in the most recent round. I think
Tom Latham is still there, Tim Robinson, Matt Henry is
playing for his county, and there may be others I
don't know, but the rest of them are off to
Zimbabwe for a try series named by the new coach
this week, Rob Walter but sent the Leeds aside. That
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has pretty much picked itself. I'd imagine Bevan Jacobs is
the only new man. He's seen as a player of
the future in this form of the game, although he
wants to play longer form. Good on him, but Bevin, sorry,
Devon Conway hasn't hasn't made it. Lackey Ferguson looking after
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his bowling loads. Ben Sears is injured, while Jamieson is
staying at home for the birth of his first child.
But they probably would have been chosen had they been available.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
Those players, Yeah, well, I suppose the one that you
mentioned there is Devin Conway.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I'm such a good player.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Hasn't quite got the results to match that blockbuster start
he made, has he? When he went into the side initially?
Pretty hard to keep that up. You hope he still
harbors the drive to play odeis and tests.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
They may be his strength, but he's.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Probably got other twenty twenty short format options, hasn't he.
I mean, that's why he didn't take a contract and
why he's going to make a little bit of cash
while he can. It does seem to be a time
of change.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Wadds. When I looked at.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
The I had a quick flick at the T twenty
World Cup, you know, twenty four at the in the
West Indies. You know that that side. I mean you
had Williamson on that side too. I'm not sure whether
they'll they'll look to have Williamson and they're either Chapman
has come into the play, hasn't he? When you look
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at that all the development that's going on currently in
New Zealand and when Pakistan were out in New Zealand recently,
a lot of new names we saw there and Seipher
had played very well and powerfully with Finellen, didn't he
at the start at the top of the innings. Yeah,
and Chapman was number three.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
I suppose the only other one that you could be
questioning is is Sody with Eddie Ashock making an impression
and the AID tour.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
But you know a new.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Lease of life under the new coat for East Sody,
so he's getting another chance in Zimbabwe.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
It is only T twenty.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
We don't want to get too carried away with it
would be interesting to see how they prepare and how
they developed, and they're going to be playing South Africa.
What side South Africa will take there? I'm not too sure,
but you know they may well use some of their
specialist short form players. Interesting stuff coming across the African continent.
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What didn't cost the West Indies the Test match they
played against Australia. They had cause to question some of
the decisions made by TV Empire Abian Holdstock during the match.
Darren Sammy said after the play, and he probably got
himself a slap over the knuckles for it, he was
unhappy with some of the decisions given by the South
African Empire using the technology. He said that the West
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Indies concerns started on the white ball tour of.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
England last month.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Well, I don't know what happened there, but I saw
some of those dismissals and I got to say they
did have reason, particularly one where and you've seen I
think you've seen the incident, Jerry, and you might have
also seen the photo so Alex Carey apparently taking a catch.
It was given out, but it's touching the ground and
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I'm sorry to my mind that technology to me confirms
it's not out and should not have been given out
as it was by Umpire Holdstock.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
The third umpire change the rule.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Didn't they remember to start taking a catch down at
fine leg and sliding along the ground, and even though
really he took the catch, but it was a mistake
as a player makes. And as long as you've got
the ball on the ground even though you're holding it,
they say that the ground is assisting you to take
the catch.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
And that's what it seemed to me.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
I didn't see a lot of that match, was just
bits and pieces, and I did see that moment, and
I thought that that was not out. According to the
latest rule that they've made, you can't have the ball
resting on the ground.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
To hold the cat. It's not allowed any longer.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
And the other one I saw, I think was Cameron
Green was an LBW. Yeah, So it looked to me
as if it had brushed the front pad. To be
really honest, if you look at the registration of the
you know that you have when the book all goes
past the pad or the bat or anything like that,
as long as nothing else is scuffing the ground. It
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looked to me as if it were hit the pad
before it went further back, and bats and pads and
all sorts of things were involved, weren't they, But it
had already hit the pad in the front, I had thought,
but we all have you know, we all have views
on this, and it's a shame, a shame that, you know,
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you get to these situations that they feel that it.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I don't think it cost them the game on a
larger on.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
A larger larger point though, Wads I thought, while the
ball nipped around a bit in that game, didn't it?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
And Haazel would showed us that later on.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
You know, Jaden seals Shama Joseph, and then you know
they had Alzari Joseph and then the guy justin Greeves
as well. They look to be quite a useful and
developing medium fast attack. And now they're coming out for
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three tests in New Zealand. If they can keep those
three four bowlers together. There was Roston Chase as well.
He was there, wasn't he as a bowler and they
had a couple of bats and Shy Hope was there.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
It wasn't he in a guy called cart He looked
okay for.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
A while, and again Chase, they they've got you know,
at the moment they could be not the pushover that
perhaps they might be.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
It might have been in the past.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
I thought their seam bowling attack looked, Okay, I don't
what did what did you?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
I think that they're going to be very dangerous in
our conditions because they've got good pace, they've got the
kind of accuracy you want.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
There's venom in that attack.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Alzari Joseph seems to hate everything that carries a bat
and he shows it out on the park and really
litterp So that's going to be interesting when they get
out here later in the year. And we will watch
this series a little more closely.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Brian Waddle, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot, on the.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Front foot, the white ferns. A side is midway through
an important development tour of England. Three ODI's and three
T twenties. The ODI series has been completed two narrow
deve feats and well, I suppose a heavy loss in
Game three by six wickets, But I wonder whether the
significance of this tour may be more than just straights results.
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A chance to find out from one of the coaches,
Craig McMillan, who joins OTFF again. And it's in Chilsford,
the home of Essex Aunt Equicket Club, and they're preparing
for the first T twenties Mecca, thanks for joining us
once again. Two close ones and then a bit of
a blip on the radar of the third game you
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changed venues.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Yeah, yesterday was disappointing. We didn't get things right with
the bat. We lost too many wickets and clumps and
put ourselves under presser after two really competitive, close, close
matches in the first two games where we lost both
six runs and two runs, and those sorts of games
then go either way, so the girls are really disappointed
that they didn't get over the line in those first
two matches. But there's some great learnings from this side.
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A number away on tour for the first time. You know,
the average age of the group's twenty three, The oldest
is twenty nine, the youngest is nineteen, so there's going
to be some great experiences for them on and off
the field throughout this tour and the standard of cricket
a cricket is so important the women's game, so it's
going to be a good too. We've got three t
twenties left, a couple and chanted over the next three
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or four days, which we're really looking forward to.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Yes, and these ladies are going to be part of
our international scene pretty soon, aren't they. There's some already
there and some who are pushing the door open.
Speaker 8 (15:21):
Yeah, absolutely, And that's the thing. There's a number of them.
Speaker 7 (15:25):
I think there's nine or ten that have actually played
for the White Fans, but a number of them have
only played two or three games, so just in the
infancy really of their international careers. So an a two
like this is so important. It's a high standard of cricket. England,
as you know, are always strong, they have great depth
and their teams over here. There's a number of players,
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like I mentioned, on their first tours, so this is
a step up from domestic level in New Zealand. So
it's a good experience for them to see the level
and the skill set that they need to get to
if they want to play international cricket. And we've been
very lucky so farwards we've been in England, haven't had
a day of rain. The weather has been great, so
it's just been perfect for cricket.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yeah, and that's the great process.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
In terms of what any side wants I mentioned at
the start, you know, winning against development. I know every
side wants to win, but you have to change your
side too, don't you. So that everybody gets a fair
crack of the whip.
Speaker 8 (16:24):
Yeah, you do.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
Winning is important obviously every game you play. That's in
the back of your mind, isn't it. But there is
a bigger picture with this group, there's no doubt about that.
As I mentioned, the average age is twenty three, so
some of them are still very fresh, still learning their games,
and that's a great thing about the squad. They're keen
to learn, they want to get better, they want to
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be coached and that's exciting. So yeah, there is a
degree of development. But this a program is so important.
I know, it's something that is on cricket if committed
to within the women's game. Because the one thing you
notice when you come to England, and I think you've
been on a number of tours at different times over
the years, it's just how much cricket has played in
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England and it's quite remarkable how much women's cricket has
played now over here and you can see how the
growth of the game, how upskilled and good the players
get just through the amount of cricket they play, and
it's something that we have to keep pushing really hard
on domestically in New Zealand.
Speaker 8 (17:29):
I think it would help to play more cricket for
these girls.
Speaker 7 (17:32):
They train a lot, but perhaps we don't get the
experience that we need with game time. So tours like this,
where you've got different conditions, you're touring for a month,
are just so invaluable.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Yeah, I think that's the challenge for all of our game,
isn't it as such? But these young ladies are just
starting to take the major steps. What is your role
as a coach as such? Is it coaching technique and
the skills of the game, or is it working on
the mental approach and how they go about getting into
positions because I think in Game two they probably got
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into a winning position and died with a couple of
runs to go. And we've been lucky to see some
of it here in New Zealand two on the English
Cricket Board website, so it's been nice to be able
to watch some of that cricket. What's the coach's role.
Speaker 8 (18:25):
All of those things you mentioned?
Speaker 7 (18:26):
To be honest, Look, it's when you're on tour you're
talking talking the technical side, watch to me is so
important and quite often forgotten. Quite often as players you're
always thinking about the technical side.
Speaker 8 (18:39):
What are my hands doing, are my feet moving? All
those sorts of things.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
Quite often, when you're thinking technical, you're forgetting about the
basics of watching the ball, finding gaps, running hard, doing
the basics well, So there's a real technical side, and
some of the situations that the girls have found themselves
in over there, especially those first two matches where we
felt we should have won both matches, are going to
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be invaluable. They will be in those positions again, so
they all have.
Speaker 8 (19:09):
Experience to.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
Go back onto where last time I did this it
didn't work right. I'm going to try something different to
see if that will get us over the line that
will be successful. So you can't replicate that at training
was you really can't those pressure situations where you're chasing
down A total of two hundred and eighty plus watches
a high total in the women's game. But as you
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can see with some of the scores around the world,
the girls are getting better and better powers be coming
into the game now the women's game, so higher scores
are becoming more prevalent. So the ability to deal with
pressure in those situations is one of the real keys
and one of the real learnings that these girls will
get from this tour.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Yeah, and I guess from the England day point of view,
they too have something special to play for because their
top side is struggling. They were given a thrashing by
India recently, so you know there could be places for
them and they want to be playing for that that
they seem to be a pretty useful side.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, the top side got beat them by
India the other other day at Nottingham. They've got a
new coach on board, so they've had some change.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
England.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
I mean they've always been in the top three sides
in the world, which is no surprise with the resource
and the playing numbers and the game time that they get,
so they are always a challenge. Their A side is
very strong, a number of players have played for England,
so they're pushing for positions in that top side. So
there's a lot to play for for them as well.
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And that's what you want, a competitive series that's going
to test you in different situations. And for some of
our girls, it's a new experience this standard and it's
finding your feet and that's not always easy. But you
know what I like about this New Zealand side, WADS
is that a lot of the girls are adapting very quick,
and that's really important. There's no doubt the talent's there,
because a number of these girls are going to play
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a lot of cricket for the White Ferns and years
to come, and this tour is just going to be
one of those stepping stones for a lot of them.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
I know it's hard for coaches to talk about individuals,
but I've been watching some of them play and I'm
quite excited by the development of them. The one who
really excites me the most out of that squad is
your left arm Seemer pree Illing someone who bowls left
arm and swings the ball and you know she may
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be giving away a few runs here and there, but
the development that I've noticed from the home summer to
now in her play is quite amazing.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
Yeah, it's a good point, and she's been excellent for us,
and it's a good example. I think of finding a
player with the talent and the skill set you think
can be successful at the next level and then exposing
here to that level. And she has gone forward and
leaps and bounds. Is no doubt about that. Despite what
you see in this series where there's a number of
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left hand batters and left arm bowlers from England. Generally,
left handers and left armors are quite a rarity in
the women's game. I know it, certainly, Dylan.
Speaker 8 (22:11):
They are. So Bree is a real standout.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
She's got that X fact and when you've got a
left armor who can swing the ball make life difficult
for right handers. Yeah, she's a real weapon and something
someone that we've seen for a week while. But her
transformation and the way she's gone over the last twelve
months has been awesome.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
You made the point that I was going to ask
about the number of left handers because I don't know
the women's game internationally to that extent, but you know
there aren't a lot of left arm bowlers in particular
who are at the top level.
Speaker 8 (22:46):
No, there's not.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
I mean in New Zealand we've got roughly two betters.
Flora Devonshire Brooke Halladay are really the only two left
handers that we have played to Mistic cricket in terms
of left arm armors are even more of a rarity.
So it makes Brie a standout, it really does, and
gives her that X factor. It's been surprised over here
to see how many there are in England a side
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because it's most unusual, but I guess it's something that, yeah,
you just have to work with and I guess get
used to because it's a little bit different. But having
that left armor swing the ball at the type and
we saw yesterday in that third ady I gore Bob
beautifully for England, didn't she. She swung the ball and
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made life difficult for our top order. So anyone that
can swing the ball at the top, especially left armor,
is a week diamond.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
Are we starting to see the real talent of as
he Gaze with the bat? She played an outstanding innings
in I think the first game, and she's a very
aggressive and I think a talented who's prepared to go
just a little bit wider than the.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
Traditional Yes, she is, and remembering what she's only twenty
one years old. She seems like she's been in that
white fournd side for quite a while, but she is
still developing her game.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
She played beautifully in that first match where she has.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
The ability to hit the ball hard, fine gaps and
actually put bowlers under pressure. Unfortunately, she's had a little
bit of a niggle, hasn't played the last couple of games,
but now will be fit for the T twenty series,
so she will come back into her side and she'll
be an important member of that. But her development again
has been it's taken some time. And that's the thing
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was that things don't happen necessarily really quickly. You need
to put time and effort and resource into these girls.
And as he Gays is probably an example that she
has been around the scene for two or three years,
and I think over the next two or three years
is when we're going to see how good a player
she is. And again she's going to score a lot
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of runs to New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Yeah, you talk about the time and the development, though
it has to be done earlier too, doesn't it in
terms of the level of cricket that these women are
playing club level, college level right the way through the development,
we shouldn't be saving it to the A grade when
you know this time next year just about all of
them could be in the white fans.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Yeah, it's a good point and it's one of those
challenges I think for the women's game, just because of
numbers of teens that are played, there's just not the
amount of cricket from an early age that perhaps the
boys have in terms of that volume of cricket, So
it does take a little bit longer in terms of
that development. And that's when his cricket are doing some
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very good stuff in terms of winter coaching groups, getting time,
getting specialist coaching into these talented girls, taking them away
on tours like this so that we can try and
speed up that learning process and that skill set process
so that once they hit the domestic scene, once they
hit the white fans and the international scene, that they
are ready to go.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
One of those players who should be benefiting and I
suppose there's a touch of parochialism here from my point
of view, Georgia Plummer.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
We heard a lot.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
About her and she didn't deliver early on, although the
talent was there. Now we're starting to see changes in
her game and the innings are starting to bear fruit
for her.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
Yeah, they are. It's been a big twelve months for Georgia.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
I remember, and she played against Australia and Brisbane actually
on the way to the T twenty World Cup where
and you know what it's like was sometimes as a player,
you need that one innings against the good opposition to
have that belief that I belong at this level. And
she scored fifty in that match, and I felt that
was quite an important innings for her, just in terms
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of that self belief that she was good enough to
play at that level. And she's really gone from strength
to strength. Played beautifully during that T twenty World Cup.
She hits the ball hard, she gets some good positions.
She hits the ball nice and straight too. What do
you always like as a coach when someone's hitting the
ball straight and down the ground and hitting the side screen.
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And again for her, she's played sixty odd matches for
the White Fern squads, but again she's still very raw
in terms of.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
Understanding her game.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
That development has taken a while, but now we're seeing
I think, the benefits of her and she's scored a
very good hundred in that second match. She was disappointed
to get out at the stage that she did because
she was playing so well right throughout that innings and
that was one of the learnings that we took in
terms of Georgia getting to one hundred, and then we
talked about it's time to reset and quite often players
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get out just after they score one hundred and milestone
and the ability to reset is so important. So there's
a lot of things that have been learned, not only
on the field but off the field, which, as I mentioned,
makes this to so valuable.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Right, so you move to two twenties. Now, how does
that change for the coaches? A change of mental approach? Again,
the skills of the same, aren't they, although sometimes you
have to do or they try to do something a
little bit different, the reverse sweeps and the scoops and
everything else that comes in the old Craig ncmullon shot.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
I never used to play those words. What are you
talking about? Yes, there's a little bit more freedom, which
T twenty is great. It allows batters to play with
that freedom, to be expressive, to not fear hitting the
ball in the air. From a bowling point of view,
you've got to be very precise with your fields and
what sort of delivery you're trying to bowl. So I
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really look forward to the T twenty series. I think that,
you know, the fundamentals are still important. Words, You still
need partnerships. Once a player gets in, they still have
to bat on, but they just have to do it
in shorter periods. It's only a twenty over game, so
everything's just a little bit shorter, but the fundamentals are
still the same. If there's a good ball, you still
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have to respect it, but you're trying to put some
pressure back on the bowling side, so it'll be a
competitive series. England are very strong, as I've mentioned, but
I'm really looking forward to to this T twenty series
starting on Thursday.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Yeah, exciting year for the women do, isn't it because
there's a World Cup coming up and there's plenty of crickets.
The emphasis is very much on the international game for
the women now, so it's pretty exciting stuff and you'll
be involved of course as batting coach with the White Fance.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
Yeah, looking forward to it. You're right, it's a bit
busy twelve months.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
We head to India for a fifty over World Cup
in late September October. Watch everyone's looking forward to it.
Will be challenging and yeah, but it's just one of
those years where I think the home summer we've got
Zimbabwe who we haven't played, so there'll be a new
opponent that we haven't seen a lot of in South
Africa coming out.
Speaker 8 (29:47):
So it's a busy schedule again.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
But yeah, those World Cups seem to roll around a
lot quicker than what they did in my day was
that every sort of second year there seems to be
a World Cup, whether it's T twenty or od I
where some years gone by it was every four years.
But I looked, I look at the schedule, and we
won the World Cup T twenty World Cup last year
and we're defending it next year in England twenty twenty six.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
So they do roll around rather quickly.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Yeah, well, I suppose that's the top level of the
game that both the men and the woman will enjoy.
And it'll be nice to have the home summer with
somebody other than England or Australia to play against as well,
because they've been regular visitors here. Not that there's anything
wrong with that, but it's nice to see the South
Africans and and Zimbabwe playing on our shores because it's
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going to be a long white ball summer, particularly after
Christmas for both the men's and the women's teams.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
Yeah, there's definitely a lack of red bull cricket, which
I know the New Zealand fans will be a little
bit disappointed by, but also having South Africa and on
our shows, White Bull cricket. It will be entertaining. There
are two very good sides. I'm looking forward to the
summer ahead and I think New Zealand and the men's
side have a Tea twenty World Cup in the middle
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of it, don't they so, and we've got I think
England at the start of the summer, Australia at the
start of the summer in terms of the men and
the women will be playing Super Smash as well.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
So a lot of exciting cricket to come up. Again.
Speaker 7 (31:19):
It's a tough schedule that you know, with these World
Cups that seem to all champions trophy Land in the
middle of our summer, which makes it difficult for New
Zealand cricket in the prime time slot of the summer.
But again we'll have some good sides on our shores
what you always look forward to.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Yeah, nice to hear from Macca and I got a
feeling Jerry that he's going to be an important part
in the re emergence of this New Zealand women's team.
I think his coaching ideas, his coaching style is one
of getting.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Back to the basics.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Talking about the t twenties they're going to play well,
They're going to be a little bit more innovative, but
solving problems and being able to get the best out
of themselves by playing than getting out is starting to
show some good results. And many of these a ladies
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are going to be the White Fans of the future,
aren't they.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Look, I'm totally behind.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
What New Zealand Cricket are doing in developing we've got.
We're putting a lot of work, aren't we. With a
a teams for the men and now a teams for
the women. That's fantastic as far as I'm concerned. They
will all be better for it, and I do feel
that a player like Craig McMillan has a very important
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role to play in the development of some of those
younger players. They are going to come through and they're
going to be better for it. Yes, they're going to
experience some some difficulties for a while and some losses
for a while. We've got to take a slightly longer view.
I think about that he's very aware that we can't
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keep losing forever and that we've got to still have
victories along the way to sort of sign post that
we are going in the correct direction.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
So I'm all behind that.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
I don't know whether you feel it's a waste of money,
important money from New Zealand cricket.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
I don't think it is. No.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
I think they waste their money in other places, which
offends me to some extent. But I think when you're
starting to develop your players, and remember the women's game
doesn't develop through the grades the way the men do.
You know, they need to be able to develop it
at college level, domestic lower level, so that these players
have a grounding for when they go into the White
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fans or go on the A tours. And you know,
we're seeing, as we mentioned in that inde with Macca
plimmer and gaze and Bree illing for sleift arms. I
love left armers in the bowling attack and I think that,
you know, she could be a real star of the
women's game.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Brian Waddle, Jeremy Coney on the front foot Jerry.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Just before we go on to a quick look at
what New Zealand might pick for their test team, I
was reading one of the English websites at one of
their contributors wrote about the Australian West Indies game. He said,
watching the West Indies versus of the convicts over tea
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What is the point of var He's obviously been watching
a bit too much. It's d RS batsman out w
W despite clearly enging the ball out of the bat,
carry caught a magnificent catch behind the stumps. However, on
the replay was in his glove and on the ground.
Despite looking many times, it went in favor of the Aussies.
I hope we don't get South afric englumpires in the winter. Yeah,
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well that may be something that they can have a
look at. We may get them for our next Test
matches back here at home against the West Indies, but
before that we've got two Tests in Zimbabwe. Tim Saldi
won't be there from the last Test team. Devin Conway
maybe here because he's recovered from injury, but I can't
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see too many new players coming to the forefronts. Who's
going to replace Southe And you know you don't just
give people Test caps, do you. They've got to have
been there and earned their cap and it won't be
being ceous because he's recovering from injury. I guess Duffy
Jamison are the most likely contenders for the new Ball
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in that role.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
I can't see too many changes wads either.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
You know, you got a new coach.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
I don't think he will want to take a broom
and just sweep everything that New Zealand has done before.
He will want to, I think, see how things go.
So I don't know what who What was our last test?
Was it England Test three at Hamilton? Yeah? Well that
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was Young, Lathan Williamson, Ravendra Mitchell. And I can't see
any of that top order batting changing too much unless
Conway does come back.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
In Conway, he's done the business. He was injured.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
And you know it's tough on will Young I know,
I know that. But he's got to be in the squad.
He's got to be that extra batter in the squad, doesn't.
Speaker 6 (36:36):
He Well, that's right, And and then it's it's a
question of a little bit of mounting pressure I think
on Tom Blundell, but you know he hasn't quite got
the runs he might have liked. And it's just a
question of how they how they viewing the long term.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
I mean, here what he'll want runs.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
It's as simple as that really, And then it's a
case of does Santana play I guess you've got braceful
in the wings there as a one who turns the
ball a little more than some of the others.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Ye sat in a different.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
Type of bowler, more of a flight bowler in the
air before it pictures. Phillip's more of a one day
bowler angling it into legs, stump a bit.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
More and more flat.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
But Henry obviously, O'Rourke obviously, and then as you say,
Jamison stands out and Yeah and Duffy are the only
the only two around really aren't they. I mean, Folks
has come into the T twenty, but he's more of
and he's gone into the A side as well to
to Bangladesh. He's made that that T twenty side to go,
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so they're obviously having a look at that. They like
his variations, so I can't see too many changes wadds
for that for that series.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
No, I don't think.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
So we'll know that next week they're in camp apparently
at Mount Monganui, so they're going to be indoors too,
because like your territory, Jerry, the weather is at its
lowest and wettest at the moment, so at your place, so.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Do I I wasn't there haven't. I wasn't washed away.
I could, I could get the car. I didn't even
have a car there I was. I wasn't even blocked
off in any way at all. So it was fine
really for me, clearing the roads very well.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Now, yeah, by the time you get back to to
get well, we'll hope that'll be the case. Never mind,
we've been able to track you down. You can actually
enjoy your Indian summer watching India play England in the
second Test match and that's going to be pretty fascinating.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
We'll report on.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
That next week and the outcome. Thanks for your time.
Go back to the Oval, and I hope you enjoy
the remaining What how many overs do you get?
Speaker 3 (39:06):
One hundred overs a day those games?
Speaker 6 (39:09):
Ninety six, but it might be more on the last day,
mightn't it. Who knows?
Speaker 5 (39:13):
Yeah, well so yeah, no, look at it.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
It's kind of the coaches are also just sending a
message to people like Rob p who've tried this experiment
with the kookobarraball. It hasn't worked in England, and it's
kind of they've got four games out of fourteen. It's
and I think the feeling generally from over here is
that they might be ruining the actual tournament and the
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championship that they're playing. So they're a bit cheesed off
actually with the way that you know it's ostensibly it's
meant to improve bowlers for the England side. Well, of
course none of the England bowlers are here in the
championship anyway, so it's rather ironic that none of the
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England bowlers are using it so.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
And they wouldn't want to anyway.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Yeah, I know it's a bit weird.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Well that's the challenge they're going to face for the
remainder of the series as well.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Going enjoy it.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Stay on the front foot, Jerry, and you really hammer
them over the boundary.
Speaker 6 (40:17):
Rope as I always used to neirdling another little single
of an inside edge onto my pad.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Exactly. All right mate, nice to hear from you. You
look at it well, take care.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Yeah, summer.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
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Speaker 4 (00:34):
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Speaker 5 (00:48):
Hello, aggressively on the front foot again. What's been happening
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Conway sees Jamison not needed. Ferguson is looking after his
bowling loads. Our white Ferns Women's eighty on their most
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important assignment for some time. The West and his batsmen
are able to cope with the Ossie attack. Arch not
needed by England. Don't know about Bombra, We'll find that.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Out in due course.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
The County Championship in the UK enjoying the Indian summer
and the man who's enjoying it with them as Jeremy Coney,
and he's been watching cricket play where I think they
give you a run every.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Time you take a breath.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
At the Oval, Surrey managed a mere eight hundred and
twenty for nine, their highest county score.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I think Jerry Durman reply, three forty three.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
They're pore seventy seven behind. But there's other games as well.
North Ends six twenty four, Worcestershire struggling in the second
division sixty seventy nine for seven, Middle six five thirty four,
and on it goes.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
What is going on?
Speaker 6 (02:01):
I I hope you can hear me from this distance. Look, yes,
it's it's one of the four rounds.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
That's actually I think round.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
Two that the powers that be over in England have
decided that they're going to have an experiment where they
use the kooker barter ball and it's really for bowlers
to try and develop there and upskill themselves so that
they have a chance to bowl reverse swing and they
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also have a chance to use spin bowling a lot more.
Presumably when they go down into the Southern Hemisphere and
play against Australia, they are obsessed with Australia, of course,
and unfortunately it has left all the coaches and all
the players that are actually currently playing behind. They just
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can't stand it and I can understand when I looked
at this game of eight twenty eight twenty once, I mean,
at what point do you stop? They did score them
at a decent clip over five runs and over. That's
quite that's not a bad effort. Over one hundred and
sixty overs. Sibbys our mate Dom Sibbys sibly remember him
(03:23):
three hundred and five and he actually between one hundred
and one hundred and fifty got there and forty balls
so he could show. And he opens for T twenty
for Surrey so he can play some shots, but prefers
not to.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
And then Sam Curran came up and batted four. He
got one hundred.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
He batted nicely, actually, then Lawrence came out and batted
even better, one hundred and seventy of about one hundred
and forty balls, and then Will Jacks.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Finished it off with another hundred.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
So they're all doing it.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
I mean, heaven's above eight twenty. He had to get
six hundred and seventy one to avoid the follow on.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
So at a four day game, oh, unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Anyway, we're up to day four now and we'll just
see what happens.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
What's the other thing about it is of course.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
The pitchers are not doing what they're supposed to do.
In cricket, there's a thing called entropy, where you slowly
things deteriorate and die, and that's exactly what a cricket
pitch should really ideally do. They shouldn't keep getting better
and better and better. But they are in England at
the moment now, whether that's the summer that or whether
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it's the fact that the heavy.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Rollers are being used a lot more, whether it's.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
The fact that they make their grounds over here so
rain averse. So soon as it drops bang down, it
goes and it drains away very quickly, so everything is
doing that and so the result of it all anyway,
I can only tell you as that they're roads. And
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that's why Stokes doesn't even think about when he wins
the toss. He doesn't think about batting. He just goes
straight to bowling and trying to get on with it
and then bat last. He wants to bat second and
fourth worked for them and headingly, So a change in
the game as far as that's concerned over here.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Not exciting stuff.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
But I know in the periods that you're not doing commentary,
you're probably doing what crochet, but a knitting or needle
work in mind or something.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Well, keep you excited.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
Well, all the guys that I'm commentating with actually are
all from Surrey, So as soon as they were getting
close to eight hundred, they knew the target was eight
hundred and thirteen or something or other, and a wicket
fell just on the stroke of tea and I turned
round to see all these men, grown, mature men weeping,
weeping heavily because they thought they were going to declare
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at that point and not take the extra ten runs. Well,
of course they came out after and got a few more,
and then there's smiles lit up.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Of course, ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
We don't play for bloody you know, things like rep hoards,
but they do.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
They think that's important. That's that's where the game is
here at the moment.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Well, some of the these elders have been playing over
there aren't playing in the most recent round. I think
Tom Latham is still there, Tim Robinson, Matt Henry is
playing for his county, and there may be others I
don't know, but the rest of them are off to
Zimbabwe for a try series named by the new coach
this week, Rob Walter but sent the Leeds aside. That
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has pretty much picked itself. I'd imagine Bevan Jacobs is
the only new man. He's seen as a player of
the future in this form of the game, although he
wants to play longer form. Good on him, but Bevin, sorry,
Devon Conway hasn't hasn't made it. Lackey Ferguson looking after
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his bowling loads. Ben Sears is injured, while Jamieson is
staying at home for the birth of his first child.
But they probably would have been chosen had they been available.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
Those players, Yeah, well, I suppose the one that you
mentioned there is Devin Conway.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I'm such a good player.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Hasn't quite got the results to match that blockbuster start
he made, has he? When he went into the side initially?
Pretty hard to keep that up. You hope he still
harbors the drive to play odeis and tests.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
They may be his strength, but he's.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Probably got other twenty twenty short format options, hasn't he.
I mean, that's why he didn't take a contract and
why he's going to make a little bit of cash
while he can. It does seem to be a time
of change.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Wadds. When I looked at.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
The I had a quick flick at the T twenty
World Cup, you know, twenty four at the in the
West Indies. You know that that side. I mean you
had Williamson on that side too. I'm not sure whether
they'll they'll look to have Williamson and they're either Chapman
has come into the play, hasn't he? When you look
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at that all the development that's going on currently in
New Zealand and when Pakistan were out in New Zealand recently,
a lot of new names we saw there and Seipher
had played very well and powerfully with Finellen, didn't he
at the start at the top of the innings. Yeah,
and Chapman was number three.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
I suppose the only other one that you could be
questioning is is Sody with Eddie Ashock making an impression
and the AID tour.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
But you know a new.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Lease of life under the new coat for East Sody,
so he's getting another chance in Zimbabwe.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
It is only T twenty.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
We don't want to get too carried away with it
would be interesting to see how they prepare and how
they developed, and they're going to be playing South Africa.
What side South Africa will take there? I'm not too sure,
but you know they may well use some of their
specialist short form players. Interesting stuff coming across the African continent.
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What didn't cost the West Indies the Test match they
played against Australia. They had cause to question some of
the decisions made by TV Empire Abian Holdstock during the match.
Darren Sammy said after the play, and he probably got
himself a slap over the knuckles for it, he was
unhappy with some of the decisions given by the South
African Empire using the technology. He said that the West
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Indies concerns started on the white ball tour of.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
England last month.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Well, I don't know what happened there, but I saw
some of those dismissals and I got to say they
did have reason, particularly one where and you've seen I
think you've seen the incident, Jerry, and you might have
also seen the photo so Alex Carey apparently taking a catch.
It was given out, but it's touching the ground and
(10:15):
I'm sorry to my mind that technology to me confirms
it's not out and should not have been given out
as it was by Umpire Holdstock.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
The third umpire change the rule.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Didn't they remember to start taking a catch down at
fine leg and sliding along the ground, and even though
really he took the catch, but it was a mistake
as a player makes. And as long as you've got
the ball on the ground even though you're holding it,
they say that the ground is assisting you to take
the catch.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
And that's what it seemed to me.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
I didn't see a lot of that match, was just
bits and pieces, and I did see that moment, and
I thought that that was not out. According to the
latest rule that they've made, you can't have the ball
resting on the ground.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
To hold the cat. It's not allowed any longer.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
And the other one I saw, I think was Cameron
Green was an LBW. Yeah, So it looked to me
as if it had brushed the front pad. To be
really honest, if you look at the registration of the
you know that you have when the book all goes
past the pad or the bat or anything like that,
as long as nothing else is scuffing the ground. It
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looked to me as if it were hit the pad
before it went further back, and bats and pads and
all sorts of things were involved, weren't they, But it
had already hit the pad in the front, I had thought,
but we all have you know, we all have views
on this, and it's a shame, a shame that, you know,
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you get to these situations that they feel that it.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I don't think it cost them the game on a
larger on.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
A larger larger point though, Wads I thought, while the
ball nipped around a bit in that game, didn't it?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
And Haazel would showed us that later on.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
You know, Jaden seals Shama Joseph, and then you know
they had Alzari Joseph and then the guy justin Greeves
as well. They look to be quite a useful and
developing medium fast attack. And now they're coming out for
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three tests in New Zealand. If they can keep those
three four bowlers together. There was Roston Chase as well.
He was there, wasn't he as a bowler and they
had a couple of bats and Shy Hope was there.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
It wasn't he in a guy called cart He looked
okay for.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
A while, and again Chase, they they've got you know,
at the moment they could be not the pushover that
perhaps they might be.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
It might have been in the past.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
I thought their seam bowling attack looked, Okay, I don't
what did what did you?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
I think that they're going to be very dangerous in
our conditions because they've got good pace, they've got the
kind of accuracy you want.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
There's venom in that attack.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Alzari Joseph seems to hate everything that carries a bat
and he shows it out on the park and really
litterp So that's going to be interesting when they get
out here later in the year. And we will watch
this series a little more closely.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Brian Waddle, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot, on the.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Front foot, the white ferns. A side is midway through
an important development tour of England. Three ODI's and three
T twenties. The ODI series has been completed two narrow
deve feats and well, I suppose a heavy loss in
Game three by six wickets, But I wonder whether the
significance of this tour may be more than just straights results.
(13:59):
A chance to find out from one of the coaches,
Craig McMillan, who joins OTFF again. And it's in Chilsford,
the home of Essex Aunt Equicket Club, and they're preparing
for the first T twenties Mecca, thanks for joining us
once again. Two close ones and then a bit of
a blip on the radar of the third game you
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changed venues.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Yeah, yesterday was disappointing. We didn't get things right with
the bat. We lost too many wickets and clumps and
put ourselves under presser after two really competitive, close, close
matches in the first two games where we lost both
six runs and two runs, and those sorts of games
then go either way, so the girls are really disappointed
that they didn't get over the line in those first
two matches. But there's some great learnings from this side.
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A number away on tour for the first time. You know,
the average age of the group's twenty three, The oldest
is twenty nine, the youngest is nineteen, so there's going
to be some great experiences for them on and off
the field throughout this tour and the standard of cricket
a cricket is so important the women's game, so it's
going to be a good too. We've got three t
twenties left, a couple and chanted over the next three
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or four days, which we're really looking forward to.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Yes, and these ladies are going to be part of
our international scene pretty soon, aren't they. There's some already
there and some who are pushing the door open.
Speaker 8 (15:21):
Yeah, absolutely, And that's the thing. There's a number of them.
Speaker 7 (15:25):
I think there's nine or ten that have actually played
for the White Fans, but a number of them have
only played two or three games, so just in the
infancy really of their international careers. So an a two
like this is so important. It's a high standard of cricket. England,
as you know, are always strong, they have great depth
and their teams over here. There's a number of players,
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like I mentioned, on their first tours, so this is
a step up from domestic level in New Zealand. So
it's a good experience for them to see the level
and the skill set that they need to get to
if they want to play international cricket. And we've been
very lucky so farwards we've been in England, haven't had
a day of rain. The weather has been great, so
it's just been perfect for cricket.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yeah, and that's the great process.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
In terms of what any side wants I mentioned at
the start, you know, winning against development. I know every
side wants to win, but you have to change your
side too, don't you. So that everybody gets a fair
crack of the whip.
Speaker 8 (16:24):
Yeah, you do.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
Winning is important obviously every game you play. That's in
the back of your mind, isn't it. But there is
a bigger picture with this group, there's no doubt about that.
As I mentioned, the average age is twenty three, so
some of them are still very fresh, still learning their games,
and that's a great thing about the squad. They're keen
to learn, they want to get better, they want to
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be coached and that's exciting. So yeah, there is a
degree of development. But this a program is so important.
I know, it's something that is on cricket if committed
to within the women's game. Because the one thing you
notice when you come to England, and I think you've
been on a number of tours at different times over
the years, it's just how much cricket has played in
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England and it's quite remarkable how much women's cricket has
played now over here and you can see how the
growth of the game, how upskilled and good the players
get just through the amount of cricket they play, and
it's something that we have to keep pushing really hard
on domestically in New Zealand.
Speaker 8 (17:29):
I think it would help to play more cricket for
these girls.
Speaker 7 (17:32):
They train a lot, but perhaps we don't get the
experience that we need with game time. So tours like this,
where you've got different conditions, you're touring for a month,
are just so invaluable.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Yeah, I think that's the challenge for all of our game,
isn't it as such? But these young ladies are just
starting to take the major steps. What is your role
as a coach as such? Is it coaching technique and
the skills of the game, or is it working on
the mental approach and how they go about getting into
positions because I think in Game two they probably got
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into a winning position and died with a couple of
runs to go. And we've been lucky to see some
of it here in New Zealand two on the English
Cricket Board website, so it's been nice to be able
to watch some of that cricket. What's the coach's role.
Speaker 8 (18:25):
All of those things you mentioned?
Speaker 7 (18:26):
To be honest, Look, it's when you're on tour you're
talking talking the technical side, watch to me is so
important and quite often forgotten. Quite often as players you're
always thinking about the technical side.
Speaker 8 (18:39):
What are my hands doing, are my feet moving? All
those sorts of things.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
Quite often, when you're thinking technical, you're forgetting about the
basics of watching the ball, finding gaps, running hard, doing
the basics well, So there's a real technical side, and
some of the situations that the girls have found themselves
in over there, especially those first two matches where we
felt we should have won both matches, are going to
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be invaluable. They will be in those positions again, so
they all have.
Speaker 8 (19:09):
Experience to.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
Go back onto where last time I did this it
didn't work right. I'm going to try something different to
see if that will get us over the line that
will be successful. So you can't replicate that at training
was you really can't those pressure situations where you're chasing
down A total of two hundred and eighty plus watches
a high total in the women's game. But as you
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can see with some of the scores around the world,
the girls are getting better and better powers be coming
into the game now the women's game, so higher scores
are becoming more prevalent. So the ability to deal with
pressure in those situations is one of the real keys
and one of the real learnings that these girls will
get from this tour.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Yeah, and I guess from the England day point of view,
they too have something special to play for because their
top side is struggling. They were given a thrashing by
India recently, so you know there could be places for
them and they want to be playing for that that
they seem to be a pretty useful side.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, the top side got beat them by
India the other other day at Nottingham. They've got a
new coach on board, so they've had some change.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
England.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
I mean they've always been in the top three sides
in the world, which is no surprise with the resource
and the playing numbers and the game time that they get,
so they are always a challenge. Their A side is
very strong, a number of players have played for England,
so they're pushing for positions in that top side. So
there's a lot to play for for them as well.
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And that's what you want, a competitive series that's going
to test you in different situations. And for some of
our girls, it's a new experience this standard and it's
finding your feet and that's not always easy. But you
know what I like about this New Zealand side, WADS
is that a lot of the girls are adapting very quick,
and that's really important. There's no doubt the talent's there,
because a number of these girls are going to play
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a lot of cricket for the White Ferns and years
to come, and this tour is just going to be
one of those stepping stones for a lot of them.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
I know it's hard for coaches to talk about individuals,
but I've been watching some of them play and I'm
quite excited by the development of them. The one who
really excites me the most out of that squad is
your left arm Seemer pree Illing someone who bowls left
arm and swings the ball and you know she may
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be giving away a few runs here and there, but
the development that I've noticed from the home summer to
now in her play is quite amazing.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
Yeah, it's a good point, and she's been excellent for us,
and it's a good example. I think of finding a
player with the talent and the skill set you think
can be successful at the next level and then exposing
here to that level. And she has gone forward and
leaps and bounds. Is no doubt about that. Despite what
you see in this series where there's a number of
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left hand batters and left arm bowlers from England. Generally,
left handers and left armors are quite a rarity in
the women's game. I know it, certainly, Dylan.
Speaker 8 (22:11):
They are. So Bree is a real standout.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
She's got that X fact and when you've got a
left armor who can swing the ball make life difficult
for right handers. Yeah, she's a real weapon and something
someone that we've seen for a week while. But her
transformation and the way she's gone over the last twelve
months has been awesome.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
You made the point that I was going to ask
about the number of left handers because I don't know
the women's game internationally to that extent, but you know
there aren't a lot of left arm bowlers in particular
who are at the top level.
Speaker 8 (22:46):
No, there's not.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
I mean in New Zealand we've got roughly two betters.
Flora Devonshire Brooke Halladay are really the only two left
handers that we have played to Mistic cricket in terms
of left arm armors are even more of a rarity.
So it makes Brie a standout, it really does, and
gives her that X factor. It's been surprised over here
to see how many there are in England a side
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because it's most unusual, but I guess it's something that, yeah,
you just have to work with and I guess get
used to because it's a little bit different. But having
that left armor swing the ball at the type and
we saw yesterday in that third ady I gore Bob
beautifully for England, didn't she. She swung the ball and
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made life difficult for our top order. So anyone that
can swing the ball at the top, especially left armor,
is a week diamond.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
Are we starting to see the real talent of as
he Gaze with the bat? She played an outstanding innings
in I think the first game, and she's a very
aggressive and I think a talented who's prepared to go
just a little bit wider than the.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
Traditional Yes, she is, and remembering what she's only twenty
one years old. She seems like she's been in that
white fournd side for quite a while, but she is
still developing her game.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
She played beautifully in that first match where she has.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
The ability to hit the ball hard, fine gaps and
actually put bowlers under pressure. Unfortunately, she's had a little
bit of a niggle, hasn't played the last couple of games,
but now will be fit for the T twenty series,
so she will come back into her side and she'll
be an important member of that. But her development again
has been it's taken some time. And that's the thing
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was that things don't happen necessarily really quickly. You need
to put time and effort and resource into these girls.
And as he Gays is probably an example that she
has been around the scene for two or three years,
and I think over the next two or three years
is when we're going to see how good a player
she is. And again she's going to score a lot
(24:50):
of runs to New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Yeah, you talk about the time and the development, though
it has to be done earlier too, doesn't it in
terms of the level of cricket that these women are
playing club level, college level right the way through the development,
we shouldn't be saving it to the A grade when
you know this time next year just about all of
them could be in the white fans.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Yeah, it's a good point and it's one of those
challenges I think for the women's game, just because of
numbers of teens that are played, there's just not the
amount of cricket from an early age that perhaps the
boys have in terms of that volume of cricket, So
it does take a little bit longer in terms of
that development. And that's when his cricket are doing some
(25:34):
very good stuff in terms of winter coaching groups, getting time,
getting specialist coaching into these talented girls, taking them away
on tours like this so that we can try and
speed up that learning process and that skill set process
so that once they hit the domestic scene, once they
hit the white fans and the international scene, that they
are ready to go.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
One of those players who should be benefiting and I
suppose there's a touch of parochialism here from my point
of view, Georgia Plummer.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
We heard a lot.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
About her and she didn't deliver early on, although the
talent was there. Now we're starting to see changes in
her game and the innings are starting to bear fruit
for her.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
Yeah, they are. It's been a big twelve months for Georgia.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
I remember, and she played against Australia and Brisbane actually
on the way to the T twenty World Cup where
and you know what it's like was sometimes as a player,
you need that one innings against the good opposition to
have that belief that I belong at this level. And
she scored fifty in that match, and I felt that
was quite an important innings for her, just in terms
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of that self belief that she was good enough to
play at that level. And she's really gone from strength
to strength. Played beautifully during that T twenty World Cup.
She hits the ball hard, she gets some good positions.
She hits the ball nice and straight too. What do
you always like as a coach when someone's hitting the
ball straight and down the ground and hitting the side screen.
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And again for her, she's played sixty odd matches for
the White Fern squads, but again she's still very raw
in terms of.
Speaker 8 (27:11):
Understanding her game.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
That development has taken a while, but now we're seeing
I think, the benefits of her and she's scored a
very good hundred in that second match. She was disappointed
to get out at the stage that she did because
she was playing so well right throughout that innings and
that was one of the learnings that we took in
terms of Georgia getting to one hundred, and then we
talked about it's time to reset and quite often players
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get out just after they score one hundred and milestone
and the ability to reset is so important. So there's
a lot of things that have been learned, not only
on the field but off the field, which, as I mentioned,
makes this to so valuable.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Right, so you move to two twenties. Now, how does
that change for the coaches? A change of mental approach? Again,
the skills of the same, aren't they, although sometimes you
have to do or they try to do something a
little bit different, the reverse sweeps and the scoops and
everything else that comes in the old Craig ncmullon shot.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
I never used to play those words. What are you
talking about? Yes, there's a little bit more freedom, which
T twenty is great. It allows batters to play with
that freedom, to be expressive, to not fear hitting the
ball in the air. From a bowling point of view,
you've got to be very precise with your fields and
what sort of delivery you're trying to bowl. So I
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really look forward to the T twenty series. I think that,
you know, the fundamentals are still important. Words, You still
need partnerships. Once a player gets in, they still have
to bat on, but they just have to do it
in shorter periods. It's only a twenty over game, so
everything's just a little bit shorter, but the fundamentals are
still the same. If there's a good ball, you still
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have to respect it, but you're trying to put some
pressure back on the bowling side, so it'll be a
competitive series. England are very strong, as I've mentioned, but
I'm really looking forward to to this T twenty series
starting on Thursday.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Yeah, exciting year for the women do, isn't it because
there's a World Cup coming up and there's plenty of crickets.
The emphasis is very much on the international game for
the women now, so it's pretty exciting stuff and you'll
be involved of course as batting coach with the White Fance.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
Yeah, looking forward to it. You're right, it's a bit
busy twelve months.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
We head to India for a fifty over World Cup
in late September October. Watch everyone's looking forward to it.
Will be challenging and yeah, but it's just one of
those years where I think the home summer we've got
Zimbabwe who we haven't played, so there'll be a new
opponent that we haven't seen a lot of in South
Africa coming out.
Speaker 8 (29:47):
So it's a busy schedule again.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
But yeah, those World Cups seem to roll around a
lot quicker than what they did in my day was
that every sort of second year there seems to be
a World Cup, whether it's T twenty or od I
where some years gone by it was every four years.
But I looked, I look at the schedule, and we
won the World Cup T twenty World Cup last year
and we're defending it next year in England twenty twenty six.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
So they do roll around rather quickly.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Yeah, well, I suppose that's the top level of the
game that both the men and the woman will enjoy.
And it'll be nice to have the home summer with
somebody other than England or Australia to play against as well,
because they've been regular visitors here. Not that there's anything
wrong with that, but it's nice to see the South
Africans and and Zimbabwe playing on our shores because it's
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going to be a long white ball summer, particularly after
Christmas for both the men's and the women's teams.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
Yeah, there's definitely a lack of red bull cricket, which
I know the New Zealand fans will be a little
bit disappointed by, but also having South Africa and on
our shows, White Bull cricket. It will be entertaining. There
are two very good sides. I'm looking forward to the
summer ahead and I think New Zealand and the men's
side have a Tea twenty World Cup in the middle
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of it, don't they so, and we've got I think
England at the start of the summer, Australia at the
start of the summer in terms of the men and
the women will be playing Super Smash as well.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
So a lot of exciting cricket to come up. Again.
Speaker 7 (31:19):
It's a tough schedule that you know, with these World
Cups that seem to all champions trophy Land in the
middle of our summer, which makes it difficult for New
Zealand cricket in the prime time slot of the summer.
But again we'll have some good sides on our shores
what you always look forward to.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Yeah, nice to hear from Macca and I got a
feeling Jerry that he's going to be an important part
in the re emergence of this New Zealand women's team.
I think his coaching ideas, his coaching style is one
of getting.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Back to the basics.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Talking about the t twenties they're going to play well,
They're going to be a little bit more innovative, but
solving problems and being able to get the best out
of themselves by playing than getting out is starting to
show some good results. And many of these a ladies
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are going to be the White Fans of the future,
aren't they.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Look, I'm totally behind.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
What New Zealand Cricket are doing in developing we've got.
We're putting a lot of work, aren't we. With a
a teams for the men and now a teams for
the women. That's fantastic as far as I'm concerned. They
will all be better for it, and I do feel
that a player like Craig McMillan has a very important
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role to play in the development of some of those
younger players. They are going to come through and they're
going to be better for it. Yes, they're going to
experience some some difficulties for a while and some losses
for a while. We've got to take a slightly longer view.
I think about that he's very aware that we can't
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keep losing forever and that we've got to still have
victories along the way to sort of sign post that
we are going in the correct direction.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
So I'm all behind that.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
I don't know whether you feel it's a waste of money,
important money from New Zealand cricket.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
I don't think it is. No.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
I think they waste their money in other places, which
offends me to some extent. But I think when you're
starting to develop your players, and remember the women's game
doesn't develop through the grades the way the men do.
You know, they need to be able to develop it
at college level, domestic lower level, so that these players
have a grounding for when they go into the White
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fans or go on the A tours. And you know,
we're seeing, as we mentioned in that inde with Macca
plimmer and gaze and Bree illing for sleift arms. I
love left armers in the bowling attack and I think that,
you know, she could be a real star of the
women's game.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Brian Waddle, Jeremy Coney on the front foot Jerry.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Just before we go on to a quick look at
what New Zealand might pick for their test team, I
was reading one of the English websites at one of
their contributors wrote about the Australian West Indies game. He said,
watching the West Indies versus of the convicts over tea
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What is the point of var He's obviously been watching
a bit too much. It's d RS batsman out w
W despite clearly enging the ball out of the bat,
carry caught a magnificent catch behind the stumps. However, on
the replay was in his glove and on the ground.
Despite looking many times, it went in favor of the Aussies.
I hope we don't get South afric englumpires in the winter. Yeah,
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well that may be something that they can have a
look at. We may get them for our next Test
matches back here at home against the West Indies, but
before that we've got two Tests in Zimbabwe. Tim Saldi
won't be there from the last Test team. Devin Conway
maybe here because he's recovered from injury, but I can't
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see too many new players coming to the forefronts. Who's
going to replace Southe And you know you don't just
give people Test caps, do you. They've got to have
been there and earned their cap and it won't be
being ceous because he's recovering from injury. I guess Duffy
Jamison are the most likely contenders for the new Ball
(35:44):
in that role.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
I can't see too many changes wads either.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
You know, you got a new coach.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
I don't think he will want to take a broom
and just sweep everything that New Zealand has done before.
He will want to, I think, see how things go.
So I don't know what who What was our last test?
Was it England Test three at Hamilton? Yeah? Well that
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was Young, Lathan Williamson, Ravendra Mitchell. And I can't see
any of that top order batting changing too much unless
Conway does come back.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
In Conway, he's done the business. He was injured.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
And you know it's tough on will Young I know,
I know that. But he's got to be in the squad.
He's got to be that extra batter in the squad, doesn't.
Speaker 6 (36:36):
He Well, that's right, And and then it's it's a
question of a little bit of mounting pressure I think
on Tom Blundell, but you know he hasn't quite got
the runs he might have liked. And it's just a
question of how they how they viewing the long term.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
I mean, here what he'll want runs.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
It's as simple as that really, And then it's a
case of does Santana play I guess you've got braceful
in the wings there as a one who turns the
ball a little more than some of the others.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Ye sat in a different.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
Type of bowler, more of a flight bowler in the
air before it pictures. Phillip's more of a one day
bowler angling it into legs, stump a bit.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
More and more flat.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
But Henry obviously, O'Rourke obviously, and then as you say,
Jamison stands out and Yeah and Duffy are the only
the only two around really aren't they. I mean, Folks
has come into the T twenty, but he's more of
and he's gone into the A side as well to
to Bangladesh. He's made that that T twenty side to go,
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so they're obviously having a look at that. They like
his variations, so I can't see too many changes wadds
for that for that series.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
No, I don't think.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
So we'll know that next week they're in camp apparently
at Mount Monganui, so they're going to be indoors too,
because like your territory, Jerry, the weather is at its
lowest and wettest at the moment, so at your place, so.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Do I I wasn't there haven't. I wasn't washed away.
I could, I could get the car. I didn't even
have a car there I was. I wasn't even blocked
off in any way at all. So it was fine
really for me, clearing the roads very well.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Now, yeah, by the time you get back to to
get well, we'll hope that'll be the case. Never mind,
we've been able to track you down. You can actually
enjoy your Indian summer watching India play England in the
second Test match and that's going to be pretty fascinating.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
We'll report on.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
That next week and the outcome. Thanks for your time.
Go back to the Oval, and I hope you enjoy
the remaining What how many overs do you get?
Speaker 3 (39:06):
One hundred overs a day those games?
Speaker 6 (39:09):
Ninety six, but it might be more on the last day,
mightn't it. Who knows?
Speaker 5 (39:13):
Yeah, well so yeah, no, look at it.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
It's kind of the coaches are also just sending a
message to people like Rob p who've tried this experiment
with the kookobarraball. It hasn't worked in England, and it's
kind of they've got four games out of fourteen. It's
and I think the feeling generally from over here is
that they might be ruining the actual tournament and the
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championship that they're playing. So they're a bit cheesed off
actually with the way that you know it's ostensibly it's
meant to improve bowlers for the England side. Well, of
course none of the England bowlers are here in the
championship anyway, so it's rather ironic that none of the
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England bowlers are using it so.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
And they wouldn't want to anyway.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
Yeah, I know it's a bit weird.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Well that's the challenge they're going to face for the
remainder of the series as well.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Going enjoy it.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Stay on the front foot, Jerry, and you really hammer
them over the boundary.
Speaker 6 (40:17):
Rope as I always used to neirdling another little single
of an inside edge onto my pad.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Exactly. All right mate, nice to hear from you. You
look at it well, take care.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Yeah, summer.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
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