September 3, 2025 • 52 mins
This week, NZ's A team records a spectacular win to end the one day series with South Africa.
We also wonder if an increase in test cricket will send some ICC members bankrupt, and the Australian Cricket CEO issues a warning.
Also- New Zealand flavour is supporting Timor-Leste’s admission as an ICC associate member.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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The test is over. Don't smokes a beauty, It is
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Speaker 4 (00:46):
Hello, back on the front foot. What a remarkable chase
for victory. Buy the new deal today. Side lead a
little bit of pressure on their top ordered backing weeknesses
on the tour of South Africa, but a couple of
players have enhanced their reputations. Major injury issues for the
black Caps are the franchises they signed with doing enough
to help them. Two new countries admitted to ICY, a
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majority of Test countries facing bankruptcy or should the game
find a solution to ensuring all formats are fostered. Plenty
to talk about, and there's going to be a lot
more because cricket is starting to warm up in this
part of the world, just in time for you to
come home, Jeremy Coney and put your long walleys on.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Well, that's in gaining some sleep. I'm under the sort
of the drag of the leg of the jet. Actually
at the moment was I didn't even I couldn't even
watch the last part of That's why i'm a little
bit late. As well. I've been watching a replay as
you have, probably as well of the One Day game
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last night.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah, I don't know whether Peter Holland had a chance
to have look. He's joined us again from the warmth
of the Cavity coast and he might have had a
look at the New Zealanday, so I didn't know where
to find it.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
So I'm once again the moose is somewhat in the
dark again. But that's fine. It's got plenty of thoughts.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
It's on YouTube, and they've got a couple more games
to go. Well. I mean, I must admit, like you, Jerry,
I nodded enough to sleep. When I knew they were
chasing three hundred and fifty and they lost a wicket
in the first over without a run on the board,
I thought, no way, because they hadn't been playing some
very good One day cricket, A little bit too cavalier
for my liking. But once they got round to considering
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partnerships and the top orders started working for them, they
did well. And Dale Phillips one hundred and forty seven
He got out playing a reverse scoop in the third
over of the first game, and I thought, hey, that
doesn't look too good. But boy in the land of
his birth, Johannesburg born, Dale Phillips really put the South
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African attack to the sword.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Jerry, He's yeah, I agree. I had a look at
the cards for the first couple of games and it
was very clear. The top order where you know, unable
to judge the risks required when the ball was still
doing something early on, and the top four is where
the bulk of the runs emerge in the ODI format. Yeah,
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great horizontal batshot player, isn't he very good? Cuts and pools, hooks.
And then you can also drive, which is useful because
the bowler then can't go short without being attacked perhaps
and also when they pitch up, he can drive down
the ground number of six as he hit straight back
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over the bowler's head. And this innings, yeah, it's it
really was a very different innings. None of us have
probably seen a lot of Dale Phillips. Have you seen much.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Words, Yeah, I've seen a bit of him playing for
Otago as such, and he's a bit like brother then
you know they come from the same mold and they
play cricket the same way, so he does like to
go after the bowling. I don't know whether you've seen
him most, but I mean the end result of this trip,
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as we talked about it beforehand, is the value that
they're going to get after about being in these conditions.
They're not picking the number one side every week. Everybody's
getting a turnaround. So you've got to toss up whether
you want to be winning every game or whether you
want to develop players. And I think they're going for
the right mix of development, and it's proven I think
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in the third game when they've got used to the
conditions over there.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
I think this is a great investment in our talent.
Reflecting on the fact that they've also been to Bangladesh
a few months back and some players there got runs
in those conditions, it can't be underestimated how important the
investment and these two is for the broader New Zealand
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game and providing the proverbial inverted Karmas pathway. I think
it's invaluable. To have players playing in different conditions is invaluable.
I also think that especially being in South Africa. South
Africa have really shown us something in the last year
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eighteen months, haven't they, with the depth that they have
as well? The interesting series just gone in Northern Australia,
you know, Darwin and Kens or wherever else. They're playing
some very good players coming out of there, so their
eight team was going to be pretty good too.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
This is great. I love it.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
They're in England now too, Jerry and Sunny. Baker didn't
have a great start to his career for England against
South Africa, did he?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I don't know, but he probably got smashed, you're saying
to me. And there are good players, you know, players
like markram I guess he might have got a few
last night or the other day, didn't he? And certainly
that one day unit for England was shown how to
play and even this lot And to just back up
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Moose's point, if you looked at all the bowlers that
were playing against this New Zealand a team. Mariki well
he played tests against us here when he came over,
didn't he. S Palmler another they're all kind of tall,
muscle the ball into the pitch and even taller some
of them, cause Sea was there and Pomwami was there,
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Simolane was there. All have played T twenty for South Africa,
all have played over the eyes and some of them,
as I mentioned, just tests as well. So they were
a useful bowling attack. Good pitch, good pitches. I think
it got better and we got this time to bat. Second.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
The interesting thing was too we went on the commentators
that they were hard to listen to, but because they
were praising everything that South Afry did mention that I
can't see you talking about as one of the fastest
bowlers in the world. Now I don't know, because they
didn't have a speed radar, but there goes a guy
who's quick. They do like to muscle the ball into
the deck and they seem to be getting a good
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bounce and that's the way they play in South Africa generally.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Merstle very very much so. But again exposing our guys
and who pretty much have only played against each themselves
in New Zealand, which is basically you know, local friendlies,
because everyone likes each other these days, un like back
of the olden days, whereas you know, all of a
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sudden the temperatures being turned up a bit, and I
think this is just our this is outstanding. And as
I say, and Jury's has pointed out, these aren't Rugs
and South Africa at all. And you know we we
tend to get the off cast, don't we, luckily with
the recent immigrants. Thank the Lord for that. No, no,
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this is great.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Well the final judgment I guess for this too will
be after they've played the two four day games, because
when they went to Bangladesh they struggled early on, they
didn't seem to get the right mix. But then they
put on a performance with the first class tour and
they were a huge success. And you've got to remember
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last night they were out Nick Kelly and his tour
is over, apparently coming home with an injured shoulder in
the field. I was just impressed that they got out
of you know, they had been battered around Benoni Willoemore
Park for two games, didn't even look like being in
the hunt and here they are winning the game. Duckworth lewis.
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Of course it got dark a little bit too early.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Well, and you know why did that happen? Was I mean,
I mean, why didn't South Africa carry on a bowl
a couple of other spin bowlers okay, not their best
spin ball. Why aren't you finished the game? You could
almost look ridiculous to me.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Yeah, but the reaction of the captain at the postmatch
was basically he thought that they'd been diddled out of
a victory because of the umpires conditions that were regarded
as dangerous, and the commentators were saying, well, we haven't
got any spin ball as to bowl, but it seemed
as though winning was more important than the development for
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South Africa. They've got a group that has played together
for a period of time and you know that's how
they viewed the match. But you know, we'll make our
judgment after the four days and see what happens. I
think our guys will be happy to come away with
a win in those circumstances.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
What's just one last point. I just wanted to make
the point that the importance of Jaden Lennox ten overs
when everybody else was being smashed between six and ten
and over went basic ten overs two for thirty six.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Good point, isn't it? Yep?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
And he bowled well and I remember you saying Jerry
before he went away that he has to look to
try and find a little bit of variation, used the
crease a little more effectively. And I watched him bowling,
and I sense that he is doing that, and you know,
is getting the time to play at this level with
either a bowling coach, batting coach, or whoever the coaches
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are around him, and he's doing and using the time
to develop his game, which is what this to.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Us about, isn't it It is? And the more he's
able to land the ball on a decent line and
a decent length, which he's already got, hasn't he. We
know that he's an accurate, consistent left armor has a
lot of them are. But at this what you then
have to learn to do is to get that ball
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out of your hand at a different kind of height
and trajectory, but still landeth on the same play in
the pitch. So you have a variety of ways of
getting the ball onto that kind of decent line and
decent lengths, but coming from different angles, different heights, and
different amount of turn. Once you start doing that, then
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you're an international bowler.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Yes, indeed, Well, there's injury problems coming home with Nick
Kelly having a sore shoulder, and he may well be
involved in the short form cricket that New Zealand are
about to play starting on the first of October. I
hope you've got that in your diary, Moose. First of
October the first international game. We weren't even playing first
class cricket years ago, when you you know, you probably
had to wait for Christmas to play your first first
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class game in the country and it started after lunch, almost,
didn't it. The black Caps have got injury issues. Willow
Raurker is likely to be out of action for three months.
That doesn't sound promising. Scans have revealed a stress factor
in the lower back and he'll be given every chance
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to repair and get his body back into action. Alongside
to him, Glenn Phillips and Finalon ruled out of the
Chapel Hadley series coming up in October against Australia, and
Mitchell Sentner's having an operation. So there's some issues for
our selectors. You want to start your home summer, if
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that's what it's going to be called, with your full
array of players. I just wonder whether these guys are
being treated properly by their franchise as they're playing different cricket,
getting on airplanes in and out of different hotels and
heavens knows what, and they're coming home to start this
season and half the squads didn't it.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
I just think that this is probably what we're going
to have to get used to because it's the way.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
It's the way the.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
World is moving, and the subject perhaps we'll talk about
a little bit later, but I just think it's unavawilable.
Question for you is if Satna's not playing, which is
a pity because his games just grow. It hasn't it
immeasurably in the last eighteen months two years? Is in
well done him? It's the captain of the one day game.
Michael Brace will perhaps question.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
I think he's being considered. I don't know that they
recall Tim Survey will later take the runs.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Probably he might captain the Black Clash game.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
They've got two for each side and that, by the way,
which is quite exciting. But I mean, you know, our players, yeah,
great that they get the opportunity to play in franchise
cricket and they get good money that probably they couldn't
get paid here in New Zealand. But you know to
my mind, you know that they're basically giving their their body.
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Bodies are real hammering, and we don't get the value
we in New Zealand. Our spectators still want to see
our best players playing at home.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Don't we what we do? But as I said, I
just think that we have to accept that this is
probably this is this is the new norm. If that's
not a much of a cliche, I don't think we're
going to get away from it. But but but what
the game is happening though is, as we just come
off talking about the AID Tour, we're developing depth and
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I think that that can only be a good thing
for us, going to see these new players coming in
and perhaps darl Phillips is going to get a chance.
But just on that point, did I hear this morning
that Paddy Cummens is not coming over He's got.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
A lower Yeah, he's had a hot spot. He's got
a hot spot in his back which is not necessarily
a stress fracture, but it certainly is a portent of
its It could be coming and so they will. They
will now rest him completely until the Ashes to see
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if he's able to be ready for that first match
at purse in the first Test. So yeah, that's a
bit of an issue for Australia, isn't it. Obviously, Well,
Paddy cummins he basically, in terms of getting wickets at
the top of the order, it tends to be Stark
and Hazelwood. But whenever another side starts to develop a
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partnership and get something going and it's still their top order,
that's when Commons, to me, from what I've watched, comes
into his own. He quite often breaks those big partnerships up.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Yet the other issue too is England's point of view
whether or not he would be in the Ashes, but
he must be in consideration with Jamie Overton, who's decided
to give away red ball cricket make his money out
of franchise cricket. Now you know England also have issues
with paste bowlers and fitness and getting them ready for Ashes.
And in a later program we can look at that
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and see how it's going to plan out. But that's
what Moos says, the new norm. Overdon decided I can't
do everything.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Well, I wonder wadd's where whether it's time players who
have up until now played for their countries and have
access to a lot of medical assistance and coaching and
other sort of those kinds of things that help the
players along to keep them on the part whether they
have to now if they're going to be solo agents
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and move around that they have their own that they
have to pay for people to be part of their
own team if you want, and they go from place
to place as golfers do, and coaches and those sorts
of things that they move around. They're on planes, they're
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playing a lot. They've got to be fit and ready
to play in order to earn the cash. So therefore
we've got to have to look after it and spend
and they can't if they're, say, playing in a series
saying I don't know in the States, suddenly call up
someone from New Zealand cricket. You can't do that. They're
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actually a solo agent at that point in time, aren't you.
And you're being paid separately, and you have said I
don't want a contract, and so look, I think that
might be maybe a possible development. I don't know, and
I don't know to what extent, but it's just a
thought that I have about each of those players who
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want to make that choice.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Well, they are they are independent contractors. That's that's right,
purely what they are. And therefore once you're that, Once
you're that, you you then take on the fact that
what am I selling. I'm selling my ability, I'm selling
my capabilities. How do I what do I do to
protect that? Therefore, you know I do need it. I
do need a trainer which I can't go and access from.
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I don't know the local province. Do I need a manager?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
You know?
Speaker 5 (18:06):
These are which are player would have New.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Zealand Cricket pay. New Zealand Cricket pays medical bills for
players who are injured during their season. So the medical bills,
any operations should be the responsibility of who you're playing for. Now,
you know you're talking about player contracts and I mean
we don't know the ends and outs of those at
the moment, but you know it will take that kind
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of situation where we're not seeing our players somebody else
has to pay the bills rather than New Zealand Cricket
and they're medical people.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Well, well that's where that's where as I said, these
are independent contractors. Now I don't know whether there are
what they what your term is carve outs in the
New Zealand contracts, which says that if you get injured
somewhere else, that's to your cost. But if it's not,
then it probably should be because the New Zealand crickets
shouldn't shouldn't have to pony up for.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
That in my view.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
But yes, I think, as I said, when we're moving
into it, into a whole whole, brave new world, and
these sort of things that you hadn't really thought about
previously coming to the fore and yeah, I'll be instant
the other plays out.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Yeah, well we'll watch this with a lot of interest
because the first of October. We've not played international cricket
in the first of October and our players are not
going to be one hundred percent foot. We'll just have
to wait and see. The other interesting thing, the traditional
test calendar could lead to bankruptcy for certain nations that,
according to Cricket Australia chief Todd Greenberg is warned about
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the possibility of a slim down schedule, we're literally trying
to send the country's bankrupt if we force them to
play test cricket. Well, he got a response from Mitchell Johnson,
and you know, I always thought that Mitchell Johnson was
just a fast bowler, but he actually makes a lot
of sense in what he's saying. His response to Greenberg was,
if you really care about test cricket, you don't start
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by telling the smaller boards to play less of it.
You start by helping them to play more and the
right way, the right structures, treat them like partners, not liabilities.
I find that quite compelling. Jerry, Well, it is.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I don't think he'd get any arguments from me about
those sorts of things. Maybe we're saying that because we
are one of the smaller boards. But I think there's
also another aspect to this, WADS. I think there's a
slight sort of bit of geopolitics between the big three
going on at this point. I remember being over in
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England for the Worldtiest Championship there and Jaysharr was there
and Richard Gould, who's the guy who's the CEO of
the ECB England Cricket Board and India were pretty displeased
with England at the time because they ordered their players back.
It was either from the IPL late in the tournament
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or maybe another franchise tournament. And of course India are
involved in most of the tournaments now enfranchises and he
said this is Richard Gould said that he would back
India and not send English players to the proposed Saudi
Arabian tournament. You remember that they came up with an
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idea and which was which was sort of pushed by
an Australian called Glenn Maxwell, was it or Maxwell.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Who was here in New zeal And.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I remember they were basically saying to Australia, no, you're
not going to run this tournament, or if you do,
you're not going to get any of our top players
from India or England. And also at that time, of
course England were just receiving a hell of a lot
of money from India to pay with all their one
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hundred teams for their franchises. So there was suddenly a
lot of money coming to those other India had it already,
England were getting it through the hundred and backing India,
and so then there was a case of what do
we do now the Saudi thing might not fly and
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we've got our own franchises, local franchises paying for themselves
and not getting money for Well that's changed, hasn't it
since they are now going to sell some of those
big bash franchises. So I see this in kind of
that little bit of a terms as well of India
and England moving away from Australia slightly, and now Australia say,
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hang on a tick, we're with you. We're with you
here about about playing each other more often to make
money and to hell with those little ones. We're saving
you from being bankrupt for whatever that Kadjogga said, Well, yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Well, just on that point, I mean, Todd Greenby, I
did read there was some interesting didn't he have his
origins in the in the in the NRL. I think
he did so quite why now that he's here he's
now an expert in global cricket. But I did read
that with interest and I thought you were just talking
your own book here, Todd. And he did talk about
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the fact that you know, we've got to prioritize quality. Well,
quantity is a subjective statement. Over over quantity, Well what
does that actually mean? What it means is we're going
to play more because because we're going to make more money.
But it's going to get terribly tedious, isn't it? If England,
India and Australia just play each other. There's just there's
no interest in that New Zealand. When they go to
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to Australia next year, I bet you the MCG is
going to be pretty pretty full of New Zealanders hoping
that New Zealand's going to front up. And to your
point was about what Mitchell Johnson said, He's one hundred
percent right in this. You actually share it, then you
can't build the global game. There's no trickle down here
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and there needs to be because three three teams playing
each other is going to get very very tedious.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
The thing at high to me is of course that
the game at the top level, the ICC and the
people who run it, are more interested in accumulation of
revenue rather than developing the sport the world over. The
fact that they've picked two new countries, Okay they're Zambia
and t Moor. They're not going to be sides that
really matter a hell of a lot of the ICC,
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but that is at least promoting the game in those areas.
But they should be also considering every format of the
game T twenty ODI and test matches and spending their
money in that way. Tests don't make the big revenue,
but if you make it somewhere else. Make sure you
apportioned the money to ensure that Test match cricket is
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able to be promoted.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
I'm convinced that given the opportunities a country, ic country
that I know well, and I'm fond of the Netherlands,
I'm sure they would love to have maybe not five
day matches, but four day matches, just to build into it.
They play endlessly twenty twenty and maybe the old one
day game. I mean that it gets a little bit boring. Frankly,
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if I'm a player, I know they'd love it. I mean,
how couldn't they plug one of those games on at
the end end of the tournaments that they variously play.
I don't know, but to me, that just seems to
me how you build the game.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
You look at Scotland. They chose not to have a
first class structure. They chose to be just one day formats,
and I think that's fine, that's absolutely okay. But I
do think as far as you know, there's two division
stuff that they're talking about, guys, there are already two divisions,
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aren't there. Yeah, you know, there's the World Test Championship
Division and there's the others, which we'll ignore. Well, there's
actually probably three the third divisions. There are others that
we won't even let play tests. And so you know,
as far as that's concerned and money, at the moment,
we have a by it. We've always had a bilateral
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series as the basis of our test cricket. And at
the moment, the home side take the money away that
they make during the time that we have you know,
sides here. That's why everybody wants India in Australia there
at the moment, or England and but and that's it's
not but that money is going to have to be shared.
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It's going to have to flow through to other sides.
If this game is the test match, games are going
to continue, you know, so that if you're in the
second division you probably won't get as much as the
first division as it's shared out. But if there are
two tiers, then to me, you need one TV broadcasting partner.
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You know, you share the world. We cannot have the
haves and the have nots, because just because they have
large broadcast deals, that's the reason that they've really been
come wealthy, and you end up with nobody able to play.
As you've pointed out, moves no one wants to play
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just the same people every time. That's why. That's precisely
why I think all the boards got together and they said,
let's form a little thing called an ICC and will
organize a thing called a World Cup, and we'll just
then once we've got that, you design us a tournament
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so we all play each other. You find a broadcaster
and we'll share the yearnings. And that's what really should
happen in these divisions that they are talking about. That
of course will not happen. India, Australia and England. Somehow
they will pull out. They will not be allowed to
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fall out of Division one. You can be sure of that.
So that puts promotion relegation. It's a bit of a nonsense.
It'll be us, three of us and a few others
we want to play to make up to six and
the rest of you you go play on your own.
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That's kind of what they're wanting, I think, And I
just feel that's not divisions. That's a league where you
don't get out of your league. Yeah, you don't get
out of your division. That's what they're proposing.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Yeah, interesting subject that Jerry and Muse have had comments
on and there'll be more to have from that, I'm sure,
and other issues facing the international game as they look
to try and find a window to keep everybody happy come.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Out very shortly.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
We're going to be joined by Mark Young and lives
on the Capity Coast but has had a lot of
inputs in cricket and Tim Moore less Day, which is
just admission to the ICC as an associate member. And
it's an interesting situation because of course they don't have
a hell of a lot of cricket in that part
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of the world. Just before Mark joins us, though, on
a sad personal note, a former club player who played
for Karori when I was first starting out on my
club era has passed away. Peter Trusco played one game
for New Zealand, a Test metch against Pakistan and sixty
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five punishing and attractive batsman to watch. It's passed away
in top Oak and said to hear of his passing.
I don't know whether you would have remembered. He probably
would have been playing before your time. Jerry and Welling.
He played Karori till about sixty six sixty seven.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, I was remember Prus got more for Wellington of course,
and then and then that Test match for New Zealand.
I did play again, I just started. I was still
at college, I remember at that time. But yeah, that's
about all I do recall as a sort of a
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middle order bat.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Yep, he was. He was a sort of very much
an attacking style player and he brought to cricket in Wellington.
His early cricket routes from Mcadterbury. I don't know whether
you have played the Moose.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
No predated me definitely, but I certainly remember his name,
and you know, to go back over things, what a
wonderful thing to've actually played one test for for for
New Zealand. And you'd never forget that, would you.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Well?
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I think that happened quite a bit around that time too,
didn't it. Sort of the fifties and sixties.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, suppliers, But.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
But you know what some of us would give our proverbial,
Yeah yeah, but a new contrast to the swan song
of a certain medium slow bowler who got quite a
chest recently.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
And what's your proverbial?
Speaker 5 (31:19):
Mostly the left one?
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Because you didn't leave team many after that? Did you
leave many in those days?
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Never mind, we will move on. Brian Waddell Jeremy Coney
on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
A recent announcement from the ICC meeting in Singapore might
not have attracted the celebrations it could have in many
parts of the cricket world, but it was a significant
statement from the top level administrators on the importance of
growing the game. They're up to one hundred and ten
members now in the ICC and the two new member
countries Zambian Cricket Union and Team or Less Day Cricket Federation.
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They're part as the ICC Associate membership. There might have
been a glass or two raised by one Cavity coase
Rerisen if he'd been there, of course at the time.
I think he was in the UK enjoying the summer
and the cricket and that part of the world. Mark
Young has been a passionate cricket follower in recent times,
has spent a period in Team or Less Day whereas
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we used to know East tm Or and Mark joins
us on the front foot. I wonder how being part
of the ICC as associate member would have been received
in Dilly.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Mark you know what's good to be here? Yeah? Well,
I think in the small pockets of the cricket community
they were ecstatic, to be honest, but I think there's
still large portions of Dilly that probably don't really realize
what cricket actually is. So it depends who you speak to.
I guess.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yeah, So how's it got to this stage? I mean,
you've worked hard in terms of promotion and development for
the game there. Tell us about your involvement and how
it's got to the stage.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
We were well, me and my partner Lara were volunteering
there through the essay in about twenty eighteen, well between
eighteen and twenty and one day, on the way back
from work on a microlate, which is a very small bus,
a bit of a dodgy bus that anyway, I saw
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a few locals playing cracket with I couldn't believe it,
with sort of homemade bats and homemade stumps, and so
I'm like, did I really see that? The next day,
same journey, decided to get off introduce myself and they
invited me to come and coach. So I used all
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the skills for my whitby junior under elevens to help
the team or less day youth, and it sort of
went on from there and we got a lot of
it was actually bounded by a Pakistani guy, Van tire
and Man and Maliana his Timris wife who we're passionate
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about cricket. They got a few players at Youngster's playing
but as to say, they had these that homemade equipment,
like a homemade bat and a homemade stumps. The bat
was actually the size the width of the of the stumps,
so totally illegal. You know, you'd never have got Jeff
boy got out with it. But anyway, it was that
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that was what they were using. And so I got
involved and we managed to get some gear from local
clubs around Wellington that Christmas of twenty eighteen, and yeah,
it sort of went on from there really and grew
the game.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Yeah you've been arranging gear for some time. You've been
a couple of guys, haven't you.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yeah's a couple of guys you know. Recently this year
thanks to Cricket Wellington who donated quite a few, quite
a lot of gear, sort of plastic you know, kids
gear which is great for schools. And also there's an
organization in the UK called Back for a Chance run
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by Will and Nicky and John and they provide gear
to developing countries around the world. And we applied and
we managed to get hold of what will be about
twenty four to twenty five bags full of gear from
the UK that will basically help the national men's team,
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the national women's team that's currently at the moment on
its way from hopefully from London to Dilly on a
container and that should arrive in October. So yeah, getting
the equipment is very is critical to develop cricket in
Team More. But it's not the easiest place to get
to and I should should add that when we sent
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the gear earlier this year from from Wellington to Dilly,
it was thanks to the New Zealand Defense Force who
had a spare corner on a container, so we used it.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Yeah, I guess, yeah, I guess you'd still want more gears.
So anybody who wants to provide some gear or help
with the development of the game over there, we can
be in contact with Mark and you can get us
on the front foot twenty at gmail dot com and
we can offer the opportunity to get gear up to
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Team More. What about the standard of play, It won't
be that high.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
I imagine it's not that high. No, currently and it's
we had up to about two hundred youngsters playing. There
is actually an older group of players who are a
lot of like expat Indians and Pakistanis who will play
every Sunday at a particular ground in Dilley where they
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use their four wheel drives to flatten the pitch and
before they start, and yeah, they have some pretty fierce contests.
So there are some some sort of expats that play
and have played for a number of years. But we're
obviously aiming at the younger generation of Timorese going into
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schools and yeah, so certainly the quality is not there yet.
But I did take two younger, the better young the
more talented Timmeris to dow it. But a few years
ago and the and the North, you know, the anti
cricket guys were very welcoming and they were there for
(37:54):
a week and they were very impressed with the abilities,
the actual natural abilities of these Timori Timaris cricketers. So
so the talent is there, but it is very raw
and needs quite a lot of yeah developments.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Do you get assistance from the ICC, Will they be
helping out and will there be opportunities for players to
play in competitions outside team more, because I guess that's
where they get most of their cricket at the moment,
doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Well, it is, yeah, I mean well we we We've
only had one actually offshore tour and that was de
Bali last year. So I mean ic CE a critical Obviously,
becoming an ic C associate member has a bit of
a game changer for Team More Cricket and they they
have been excellent in terms of providing support. Yeah, giving
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us a plan of what we need to do. We
need to develop a couple of grounds, and particularly women's
cricket is a big is a big focus and and
they've been helpful in terms of, you know, pointings in
the right direction. A guy called Toby and Emily at
ICC who have been our main points of contact, and yeah,
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they they're at a we've actually just done a budget
for the next few months and they will be giving
us some money to help develop the game in two
more and as an associate member you get a certain
amount of money a year which you know is to
develop the game and that is a game change it
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for Team More Cricket.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
Yeah, you talked about going to Northern Territory in Australia.
That I guess is a closer option as well. You
probably want an hour away from Darwin.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah, Darwin Dilly is about an hour and a bit
flight than Darwin. It's it's it's incredibly close. It kind
of feels like different planets sometimes when you when you
do that trip. But yeah, Northern Territage cricket, you know,
that's a link that we want to develop undoubtedly. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
So yeah, yeah, because you've got to find a way
of improving quality and getting the standard up so that
you can play in whatever regional tournaments the.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
ICC host absolutely absolutely, yeah so and yeah, so there's
nt cricket and of course coaching, you know, we want
to get some more professional coaching over to Team more
and they may be able to help us with that.
But there's other countries in the region like Indonesia and
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Pappy New Guinea and who are part of this East Asia.
So so Team always become part of what they call
East Stagia Pacific ICC, which is and there's twelve countries
involved in that, including Indonesia, Pappy New Guinea, Thailand, et cetera,
et cetera. So they are our closest sort of playing
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partners and they are hopefully who we will start playing
in T twenty competitions in the next two or three years,
subject to askedding, you know, developing to that sort of standard. Yeah,
so some people have sort of equated team or a
little bit to Afghanistan. I mean they're obviously the you know,
the the amazing achievement they've made and both sort of
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very conflict post conflict you know countries, and yeah, but
I guess we've got a long way to go to
emulate Afghanistan. But it's amazing what they've done. You know,
you never know where you're going to get it from.
There was a guy in the middle of nowhere in
the wire Rappa, a Yorkshireman actually, and he had about
fifty or sixty cricket balls that I went out to get.
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You know, you never know what's in people's garages. So
the more gear the better. The other thing that we
are doing is we have a plan to develop a
new ground by the end of this year, and so
we are fundraising. We've just started to give a little
page to help fundraise for funds for you know, to
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develop that ground, which will be the Lords of Team
more probably probably have the slope as well.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
But yeah, yeah, well quite clearly you'll be able to
apply your trade as a player in that part of
the world, knowing your expertise with the ball.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Who knows, I might make my international debut for Team
More in Bali in November if they do that, which
will be kind of crazy.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
Thanks yay, very good to talk to you, and we'll
keep up to date with any hope that you know,
somebody will come forward with some gear that they can
offer you.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Thank you, Well's really appreciate it, appreciate your time.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Thanks for much, Marky. It'd be an interesting prospect Lord's
team or they're looking for a new ground up there, Jerry.
I don't know whether you would actually qualify to play there,
but I'm sure you've played in some unusual places. My
I remember you went to once.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Didn't you.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (43:11):
I did. That's entire the north of Ti chang Rai,
chang Rai, chang Rai, Yeah, chang Rai up in the top.
I enjoyed that from Mark. Actually, is he the guy
that I occasionally drank? Was at your place? It okay?
All right? Well, no, good guy. He sounds a nice
guy too, and I loved that idea of the him
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seeing them roll the picture with a four wheeled drive vehicle.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
What is that different?
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah? Different, A bit different from discussing pictures with Meg
lay on the ground staff from Lords actually a couple
of weeks ago, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
Yes, So yeah, you know there may be something for
us to go up there and play. When they take
it take a too.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Well, I think, yeah, I think I probably think with
all with those four wheel drive tire tracks, I think
it'd be a bit variable, and so I probably i'd
probably go off my long run up and that would
be that would race to four paces. Now I just
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had a hit done, of course, so it's more of
a more of a stagger than a run up. And
I'm hoping they're using still in team or less a
two piece balls so that I could get a bit
of swing. You you would feel for me was on
the off side where I think your sledging would be
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more effective than your fielding.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
And the last time I saw you on the park
in a match, you've got to catchure it where you
didn't didn't really demand you to move too far, and
as the ball descended it arrived and it must have
burst through your heads or maybe your hands weren't in
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the right place.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
But I did see it collide with your head. It did,
and yeah, and it rebounded and bounced over the boundary
for six. So you're not You're not going legs side
as far as I'm concerned. And when we bat wadds
with our failing eyesight, I think it's sort of convulsive
(45:32):
cony locomotion and your twitchy waddle waddle singles are out.
I would say yes and maybe pause. Very fortunate and
mainly from the inside edge.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
I'd be tight. I'd be tired out walking out to
the middle to bat. But we couldn't get a game
going up there of geriatrics, and you might.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
We'll all go up and I'd be well, I think
both of us below nine.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
Look, have you played on unusual grounds where you wouldn't
expected to play any cricket?
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Yeah? Well, yeah, I do.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
In a number of spring to mind, and one in
particular which has scarred me and has also given me
great trouble. It's obscure and it's it's it's it's up
in the highlands of Johnson book called Alex Moore Park.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
There's never really from the.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Hell and Isaac will be listening to this.
Speaker 5 (46:34):
I mean there was straight, I mean I mean the
local inhabitants were largely described as the village idiots.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
And so.
Speaker 5 (46:45):
God knows where and and and I've never Yeah, it's
it's it's it's a sense that scarred me ever since.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
Yeah, let's kill there Johnsonville listeners.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
We can't. Yeah, we have to be traveling through and
very strong cars like sort of four wheel drives.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
Do you think maybe, well, some of us learned how
cricket on Thennville Park had to play there for God.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
So come in we did, We did, and it didn't
have that little rise at the end. Remember that moose
you had come out at Elmore and you have that
little rise at the end there that would at the
ball at least would come back to you.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
What about overseas, No.
Speaker 5 (47:27):
No, I look at you know, having played played in
northern England, you ended up playing in some pretty interesting places.
And and I also played a lot of what they
used to call them those days, jazz hat cricket, which
is now been embraced in New Zealand with like people
people of middle aged persuasions, like wearing struppy blazers. But
that took me to small grounds, private grounds cricket. Really
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tell you what it's we we we. We've been dealing
with geopolitical stuff, but at its core it's given me
a lot of great memories and a lot of mates
around the world.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
You know.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Yeah, it's sort of been the home for a lot
of fun cricket and I'm sure they have a lot
of fun and each team more. And I'll have a
word with Young he might be able to arrange a
trip for us to get even if we go out
there and play six a side, you know, that could
be an interesting challenge.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Much running, too much running came into the bush.
Speaker 5 (48:26):
I can feel the twins in my hamstring already.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Well your insurance.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
We'll try and get some people to give to the
give a little page. They're also setting up to try
and establish a new ground in Dilly in tim or Leste,
one of two new countries admitted to the ICC, Zambia
being the other. There's one hundred and ten members of
the ICC, so it's a fairly strong outfit in terms
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of the reach. Whether it does enough for those places
as it does for itself in India and other places,
I'm not too sure. Thanks for making the trip home,
Jerry to join us, Otherwise it would have been pretty
tough on Moose. I just doing this all on our own,
so I'm glad you're able to come home and actually
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your house was still standing.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yeah, well it is that that was a bonus. I
don't think we flew over t more, just a bit
to the east of that. It's actually I didn't look
it upwards to see how many grounds they play on
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at the moment, which I guess looks like school cricket
to me, or which is a good place to start
get the kids involved. And then they also have one
that's at Dilly in the capital, as you mentioned, the
Tussy Tollu ground in Dilly, and they start at seven
am in the morning. They speak two languages there, but look,
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obviously I think Portuguese. Their skull is the word for school,
I think, isn't it. At scholar Pechondria bahlabah esb. They
were playing the Dilly Dragons at seven am on September
the sixth, and then at nine o'clock in the morning
the Dilly International School. Well that makes sense, doesn't it
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playing a Scholar Fenatil. So those are the two matches
at that ground in Dilly. And then there's another place
which is a province away to the northwest of Dilley,
which is at one end kind of the western end of.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
T More.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
And that is a place I don't know how to
pronounce it, guys.
Speaker 6 (50:50):
It's OECU ssec or something I can't anyway, And there's
a cricket ground and they were playing three games on
September the sixth, and they're at nine am, twelve pm
and three thirty pm.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
So a little bit longer. It's one hundred sixty three k's.
It takes you three hours and three minutes by car
to get there from Dilley, or fifty two minutes in
a plane.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
So there you go.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
Well, could could be a lot of fun on our
trip up that part of the world. I'll get Youngie
onto it and we'll see what we can do in
terms of a tour. You'll be you'd be started, Remoose,
yes or no.
Speaker 5 (51:33):
Look, look I'll come back to you on that if
that's all right.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Yeah, I don't think the seven am one is good
for Moose. I think maybe the three thirty he can
kind of get he can kind of get his strapping
done by then.
Speaker 5 (51:48):
Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
You will look into that.
Speaker 4 (51:52):
We'll look into that Thanks guys, till you again that.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
That can.
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Hello, back on the front foot. What a remarkable chase
for victory. Buy the new deal today. Side lead a
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majority of Test countries facing bankruptcy or should the game
find a solution to ensuring all formats are fostered. Plenty
to talk about, and there's going to be a lot
more because cricket is starting to warm up in this
part of the world, just in time for you to
come home, Jeremy Coney and put your long walleys on.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Well, that's in gaining some sleep. I'm under the sort
of the drag of the leg of the jet. Actually
at the moment was I didn't even I couldn't even
watch the last part of That's why i'm a little
bit late. As well. I've been watching a replay as
you have, probably as well of the One Day game
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last night.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah, I don't know whether Peter Holland had a chance
to have look. He's joined us again from the warmth
of the Cavity coast and he might have had a
look at the New Zealanday, so I didn't know where
to find it.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
So I'm once again the moose is somewhat in the
dark again. But that's fine. It's got plenty of thoughts.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
It's on YouTube, and they've got a couple more games
to go. Well. I mean, I must admit, like you, Jerry,
I nodded enough to sleep. When I knew they were
chasing three hundred and fifty and they lost a wicket
in the first over without a run on the board,
I thought, no way, because they hadn't been playing some
very good One day cricket, A little bit too cavalier
for my liking. But once they got round to considering
(02:40):
partnerships and the top orders started working for them, they
did well. And Dale Phillips one hundred and forty seven
He got out playing a reverse scoop in the third
over of the first game, and I thought, hey, that
doesn't look too good. But boy in the land of
his birth, Johannesburg born, Dale Phillips really put the South
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African attack to the sword.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Jerry, He's yeah, I agree. I had a look at
the cards for the first couple of games and it
was very clear. The top order where you know, unable
to judge the risks required when the ball was still
doing something early on, and the top four is where
the bulk of the runs emerge in the ODI format. Yeah,
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great horizontal batshot player, isn't he very good? Cuts and pools, hooks.
And then you can also drive, which is useful because
the bowler then can't go short without being attacked perhaps
and also when they pitch up, he can drive down
the ground number of six as he hit straight back
(03:49):
over the bowler's head. And this innings, yeah, it's it
really was a very different innings. None of us have
probably seen a lot of Dale Phillips. Have you seen much.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Words, Yeah, I've seen a bit of him playing for
Otago as such, and he's a bit like brother then
you know they come from the same mold and they
play cricket the same way, so he does like to
go after the bowling. I don't know whether you've seen
him most, but I mean the end result of this trip,
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as we talked about it beforehand, is the value that
they're going to get after about being in these conditions.
They're not picking the number one side every week. Everybody's
getting a turnaround. So you've got to toss up whether
you want to be winning every game or whether you
want to develop players. And I think they're going for
the right mix of development, and it's proven I think
(04:43):
in the third game when they've got used to the
conditions over there.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
I think this is a great investment in our talent.
Reflecting on the fact that they've also been to Bangladesh
a few months back and some players there got runs
in those conditions, it can't be underestimated how important the
investment and these two is for the broader New Zealand
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game and providing the proverbial inverted Karmas pathway. I think
it's invaluable. To have players playing in different conditions is invaluable.
I also think that especially being in South Africa. South
Africa have really shown us something in the last year
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eighteen months, haven't they, with the depth that they have
as well? The interesting series just gone in Northern Australia,
you know, Darwin and Kens or wherever else. They're playing
some very good players coming out of there, so their
eight team was going to be pretty good too.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
This is great. I love it.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
They're in England now too, Jerry and Sunny. Baker didn't
have a great start to his career for England against
South Africa, did he?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I don't know, but he probably got smashed, you're saying
to me. And there are good players, you know, players
like markram I guess he might have got a few
last night or the other day, didn't he? And certainly
that one day unit for England was shown how to
play and even this lot And to just back up
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Moose's point, if you looked at all the bowlers that
were playing against this New Zealand a team. Mariki well
he played tests against us here when he came over,
didn't he. S Palmler another they're all kind of tall,
muscle the ball into the pitch and even taller some
of them, cause Sea was there and Pomwami was there,
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Simolane was there. All have played T twenty for South Africa,
all have played over the eyes and some of them,
as I mentioned, just tests as well. So they were
a useful bowling attack. Good pitch, good pitches. I think
it got better and we got this time to bat. Second.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
The interesting thing was too we went on the commentators
that they were hard to listen to, but because they
were praising everything that South Afry did mention that I
can't see you talking about as one of the fastest
bowlers in the world. Now I don't know, because they
didn't have a speed radar, but there goes a guy
who's quick. They do like to muscle the ball into
the deck and they seem to be getting a good
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bounce and that's the way they play in South Africa generally.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Merstle very very much so. But again exposing our guys
and who pretty much have only played against each themselves
in New Zealand, which is basically you know, local friendlies,
because everyone likes each other these days, un like back
of the olden days, whereas you know, all of a
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sudden the temperatures being turned up a bit, and I
think this is just our this is outstanding. And as
I say, and Jury's has pointed out, these aren't Rugs
and South Africa at all. And you know we we
tend to get the off cast, don't we, luckily with
the recent immigrants. Thank the Lord for that. No, no,
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this is great.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Well the final judgment I guess for this too will
be after they've played the two four day games, because
when they went to Bangladesh they struggled early on, they
didn't seem to get the right mix. But then they
put on a performance with the first class tour and
they were a huge success. And you've got to remember
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last night they were out Nick Kelly and his tour
is over, apparently coming home with an injured shoulder in
the field. I was just impressed that they got out
of you know, they had been battered around Benoni Willoemore
Park for two games, didn't even look like being in
the hunt and here they are winning the game. Duckworth lewis.
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Of course it got dark a little bit too early.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Well, and you know why did that happen? Was I mean,
I mean, why didn't South Africa carry on a bowl
a couple of other spin bowlers okay, not their best
spin ball. Why aren't you finished the game? You could
almost look ridiculous to me.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Yeah, but the reaction of the captain at the postmatch
was basically he thought that they'd been diddled out of
a victory because of the umpires conditions that were regarded
as dangerous, and the commentators were saying, well, we haven't
got any spin ball as to bowl, but it seemed
as though winning was more important than the development for
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South Africa. They've got a group that has played together
for a period of time and you know that's how
they viewed the match. But you know, we'll make our
judgment after the four days and see what happens. I
think our guys will be happy to come away with
a win in those circumstances.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
What's just one last point. I just wanted to make
the point that the importance of Jaden Lennox ten overs
when everybody else was being smashed between six and ten
and over went basic ten overs two for thirty six.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Good point, isn't it? Yep?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
And he bowled well and I remember you saying Jerry
before he went away that he has to look to
try and find a little bit of variation, used the
crease a little more effectively. And I watched him bowling,
and I sense that he is doing that, and you know,
is getting the time to play at this level with
either a bowling coach, batting coach, or whoever the coaches
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are around him, and he's doing and using the time
to develop his game, which is what this to.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Us about, isn't it It is? And the more he's
able to land the ball on a decent line and
a decent length, which he's already got, hasn't he. We
know that he's an accurate, consistent left armor has a
lot of them are. But at this what you then
have to learn to do is to get that ball
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out of your hand at a different kind of height
and trajectory, but still landeth on the same play in
the pitch. So you have a variety of ways of
getting the ball onto that kind of decent line and
decent lengths, but coming from different angles, different heights, and
different amount of turn. Once you start doing that, then
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you're an international bowler.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Yes, indeed, Well, there's injury problems coming home with Nick
Kelly having a sore shoulder, and he may well be
involved in the short form cricket that New Zealand are
about to play starting on the first of October. I
hope you've got that in your diary, Moose. First of
October the first international game. We weren't even playing first
class cricket years ago, when you you know, you probably
had to wait for Christmas to play your first first
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class game in the country and it started after lunch, almost,
didn't it. The black Caps have got injury issues. Willow
Raurker is likely to be out of action for three months.
That doesn't sound promising. Scans have revealed a stress factor
in the lower back and he'll be given every chance
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to repair and get his body back into action. Alongside
to him, Glenn Phillips and Finalon ruled out of the
Chapel Hadley series coming up in October against Australia, and
Mitchell Sentner's having an operation. So there's some issues for
our selectors. You want to start your home summer, if
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that's what it's going to be called, with your full
array of players. I just wonder whether these guys are
being treated properly by their franchise as they're playing different cricket,
getting on airplanes in and out of different hotels and
heavens knows what, and they're coming home to start this
season and half the squads didn't it.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
I just think that this is probably what we're going
to have to get used to because it's the way.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
It's the way the.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
World is moving, and the subject perhaps we'll talk about
a little bit later, but I just think it's unavawilable.
Question for you is if Satna's not playing, which is
a pity because his games just grow. It hasn't it
immeasurably in the last eighteen months two years? Is in
well done him? It's the captain of the one day game.
Michael Brace will perhaps question.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
I think he's being considered. I don't know that they
recall Tim Survey will later take the runs.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Probably he might captain the Black Clash game.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
They've got two for each side and that, by the way,
which is quite exciting. But I mean, you know, our players, yeah,
great that they get the opportunity to play in franchise
cricket and they get good money that probably they couldn't
get paid here in New Zealand. But you know to
my mind, you know that they're basically giving their their body.
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Bodies are real hammering, and we don't get the value
we in New Zealand. Our spectators still want to see
our best players playing at home.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Don't we what we do? But as I said, I
just think that we have to accept that this is
probably this is this is the new norm. If that's
not a much of a cliche, I don't think we're
going to get away from it. But but but what
the game is happening though is, as we just come
off talking about the AID Tour, we're developing depth and
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I think that that can only be a good thing
for us, going to see these new players coming in
and perhaps darl Phillips is going to get a chance.
But just on that point, did I hear this morning
that Paddy Cummens is not coming over He's got.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
A lower Yeah, he's had a hot spot. He's got
a hot spot in his back which is not necessarily
a stress fracture, but it certainly is a portent of
its It could be coming and so they will. They
will now rest him completely until the Ashes to see
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if he's able to be ready for that first match
at purse in the first Test. So yeah, that's a
bit of an issue for Australia, isn't it. Obviously, Well,
Paddy cummins he basically, in terms of getting wickets at
the top of the order, it tends to be Stark
and Hazelwood. But whenever another side starts to develop a
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partnership and get something going and it's still their top order,
that's when Commons, to me, from what I've watched, comes
into his own. He quite often breaks those big partnerships up.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Yet the other issue too is England's point of view
whether or not he would be in the Ashes, but
he must be in consideration with Jamie Overton, who's decided
to give away red ball cricket make his money out
of franchise cricket. Now you know England also have issues
with paste bowlers and fitness and getting them ready for Ashes.
And in a later program we can look at that
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and see how it's going to plan out. But that's
what Moos says, the new norm. Overdon decided I can't
do everything.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Well, I wonder wadd's where whether it's time players who
have up until now played for their countries and have
access to a lot of medical assistance and coaching and
other sort of those kinds of things that help the
players along to keep them on the part whether they
have to now if they're going to be solo agents
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and move around that they have their own that they
have to pay for people to be part of their
own team if you want, and they go from place
to place as golfers do, and coaches and those sorts
of things that they move around. They're on planes, they're
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playing a lot. They've got to be fit and ready
to play in order to earn the cash. So therefore
we've got to have to look after it and spend
and they can't if they're, say, playing in a series
saying I don't know in the States, suddenly call up
someone from New Zealand cricket. You can't do that. They're
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actually a solo agent at that point in time, aren't you.
And you're being paid separately, and you have said I
don't want a contract, and so look, I think that
might be maybe a possible development. I don't know, and
I don't know to what extent, but it's just a
thought that I have about each of those players who
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want to make that choice.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Well, they are they are independent contractors. That's that's right,
purely what they are. And therefore once you're that, Once
you're that, you you then take on the fact that
what am I selling. I'm selling my ability, I'm selling
my capabilities. How do I what do I do to
protect that? Therefore, you know I do need it. I
do need a trainer which I can't go and access from.
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I don't know the local province. Do I need a manager?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
You know?
Speaker 5 (18:06):
These are which are player would have New.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Zealand Cricket pay. New Zealand Cricket pays medical bills for
players who are injured during their season. So the medical bills,
any operations should be the responsibility of who you're playing for. Now,
you know you're talking about player contracts and I mean
we don't know the ends and outs of those at
the moment, but you know it will take that kind
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of situation where we're not seeing our players somebody else
has to pay the bills rather than New Zealand Cricket
and they're medical people.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Well, well that's where that's where as I said, these
are independent contractors. Now I don't know whether there are
what they what your term is carve outs in the
New Zealand contracts, which says that if you get injured
somewhere else, that's to your cost. But if it's not,
then it probably should be because the New Zealand crickets
shouldn't shouldn't have to pony up for.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
That in my view.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
But yes, I think, as I said, when we're moving
into it, into a whole whole, brave new world, and
these sort of things that you hadn't really thought about
previously coming to the fore and yeah, I'll be instant
the other plays out.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Yeah, well we'll watch this with a lot of interest
because the first of October. We've not played international cricket
in the first of October and our players are not
going to be one hundred percent foot. We'll just have
to wait and see. The other interesting thing, the traditional
test calendar could lead to bankruptcy for certain nations that,
according to Cricket Australia chief Todd Greenberg is warned about
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the possibility of a slim down schedule, we're literally trying
to send the country's bankrupt if we force them to
play test cricket. Well, he got a response from Mitchell Johnson,
and you know, I always thought that Mitchell Johnson was
just a fast bowler, but he actually makes a lot
of sense in what he's saying. His response to Greenberg was,
if you really care about test cricket, you don't start
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by telling the smaller boards to play less of it.
You start by helping them to play more and the
right way, the right structures, treat them like partners, not liabilities.
I find that quite compelling. Jerry, Well, it is.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I don't think he'd get any arguments from me about
those sorts of things. Maybe we're saying that because we
are one of the smaller boards. But I think there's
also another aspect to this, WADS. I think there's a
slight sort of bit of geopolitics between the big three
going on at this point. I remember being over in
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England for the Worldtiest Championship there and Jaysharr was there
and Richard Gould, who's the guy who's the CEO of
the ECB England Cricket Board and India were pretty displeased
with England at the time because they ordered their players back.
It was either from the IPL late in the tournament
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or maybe another franchise tournament. And of course India are
involved in most of the tournaments now enfranchises and he
said this is Richard Gould said that he would back
India and not send English players to the proposed Saudi
Arabian tournament. You remember that they came up with an
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idea and which was which was sort of pushed by
an Australian called Glenn Maxwell, was it or Maxwell.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Who was here in New zeal And.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I remember they were basically saying to Australia, no, you're
not going to run this tournament, or if you do,
you're not going to get any of our top players
from India or England. And also at that time, of
course England were just receiving a hell of a lot
of money from India to pay with all their one
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hundred teams for their franchises. So there was suddenly a
lot of money coming to those other India had it already,
England were getting it through the hundred and backing India,
and so then there was a case of what do
we do now the Saudi thing might not fly and
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we've got our own franchises, local franchises paying for themselves
and not getting money for Well that's changed, hasn't it
since they are now going to sell some of those
big bash franchises. So I see this in kind of
that little bit of a terms as well of India
and England moving away from Australia slightly, and now Australia say,
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hang on a tick, we're with you. We're with you
here about about playing each other more often to make
money and to hell with those little ones. We're saving
you from being bankrupt for whatever that Kadjogga said, Well, yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Well, just on that point, I mean, Todd Greenby, I
did read there was some interesting didn't he have his
origins in the in the in the NRL. I think
he did so quite why now that he's here he's
now an expert in global cricket. But I did read
that with interest and I thought you were just talking
your own book here, Todd. And he did talk about
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the fact that you know, we've got to prioritize quality. Well,
quantity is a subjective statement. Over over quantity, Well what
does that actually mean? What it means is we're going
to play more because because we're going to make more money.
But it's going to get terribly tedious, isn't it? If England,
India and Australia just play each other. There's just there's
no interest in that New Zealand. When they go to
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to Australia next year, I bet you the MCG is
going to be pretty pretty full of New Zealanders hoping
that New Zealand's going to front up. And to your
point was about what Mitchell Johnson said, He's one hundred
percent right in this. You actually share it, then you
can't build the global game. There's no trickle down here
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and there needs to be because three three teams playing
each other is going to get very very tedious.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
The thing at high to me is of course that
the game at the top level, the ICC and the
people who run it, are more interested in accumulation of
revenue rather than developing the sport the world over. The
fact that they've picked two new countries, Okay they're Zambia
and t Moor. They're not going to be sides that
really matter a hell of a lot of the ICC,
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but that is at least promoting the game in those areas.
But they should be also considering every format of the
game T twenty ODI and test matches and spending their
money in that way. Tests don't make the big revenue,
but if you make it somewhere else. Make sure you
apportioned the money to ensure that Test match cricket is
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able to be promoted.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
I'm convinced that given the opportunities a country, ic country
that I know well, and I'm fond of the Netherlands,
I'm sure they would love to have maybe not five
day matches, but four day matches, just to build into it.
They play endlessly twenty twenty and maybe the old one
day game. I mean that it gets a little bit boring. Frankly,
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if I'm a player, I know they'd love it. I mean,
how couldn't they plug one of those games on at
the end end of the tournaments that they variously play.
I don't know, but to me, that just seems to
me how you build the game.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
You look at Scotland. They chose not to have a
first class structure. They chose to be just one day formats,
and I think that's fine, that's absolutely okay. But I
do think as far as you know, there's two division
stuff that they're talking about, guys, there are already two divisions,
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aren't there. Yeah, you know, there's the World Test Championship
Division and there's the others, which we'll ignore. Well, there's
actually probably three the third divisions. There are others that
we won't even let play tests. And so you know,
as far as that's concerned and money, at the moment,
we have a by it. We've always had a bilateral
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series as the basis of our test cricket. And at
the moment, the home side take the money away that
they make during the time that we have you know,
sides here. That's why everybody wants India in Australia there
at the moment, or England and but and that's it's
not but that money is going to have to be shared.
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It's going to have to flow through to other sides.
If this game is the test match, games are going
to continue, you know, so that if you're in the
second division you probably won't get as much as the
first division as it's shared out. But if there are
two tiers, then to me, you need one TV broadcasting partner.
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You know, you share the world. We cannot have the
haves and the have nots, because just because they have
large broadcast deals, that's the reason that they've really been
come wealthy, and you end up with nobody able to play.
As you've pointed out, moves no one wants to play
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just the same people every time. That's why. That's precisely
why I think all the boards got together and they said,
let's form a little thing called an ICC and will
organize a thing called a World Cup, and we'll just
then once we've got that, you design us a tournament
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so we all play each other. You find a broadcaster
and we'll share the yearnings. And that's what really should
happen in these divisions that they are talking about. That
of course will not happen. India, Australia and England. Somehow
they will pull out. They will not be allowed to
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fall out of Division one. You can be sure of that.
So that puts promotion relegation. It's a bit of a nonsense.
It'll be us, three of us and a few others
we want to play to make up to six and
the rest of you you go play on your own.
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That's kind of what they're wanting, I think, And I
just feel that's not divisions. That's a league where you
don't get out of your league. Yeah, you don't get
out of your division. That's what they're proposing.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Yeah, interesting subject that Jerry and Muse have had comments
on and there'll be more to have from that, I'm sure,
and other issues facing the international game as they look
to try and find a window to keep everybody happy come.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Out very shortly.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
We're going to be joined by Mark Young and lives
on the Capity Coast but has had a lot of
inputs in cricket and Tim Moore less Day, which is
just admission to the ICC as an associate member. And
it's an interesting situation because of course they don't have
a hell of a lot of cricket in that part
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of the world. Just before Mark joins us, though, on
a sad personal note, a former club player who played
for Karori when I was first starting out on my
club era has passed away. Peter Trusco played one game
for New Zealand, a Test metch against Pakistan and sixty
(29:34):
five punishing and attractive batsman to watch. It's passed away
in top Oak and said to hear of his passing.
I don't know whether you would have remembered. He probably
would have been playing before your time. Jerry and Welling.
He played Karori till about sixty six sixty seven.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, I was remember Prus got more for Wellington of course,
and then and then that Test match for New Zealand.
I did play again, I just started. I was still
at college, I remember at that time. But yeah, that's
about all I do recall as a sort of a
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middle order bat.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Yep, he was. He was a sort of very much
an attacking style player and he brought to cricket in Wellington.
His early cricket routes from Mcadterbury. I don't know whether
you have played the Moose.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
No predated me definitely, but I certainly remember his name,
and you know, to go back over things, what a
wonderful thing to've actually played one test for for for
New Zealand. And you'd never forget that, would you.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Well?
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I think that happened quite a bit around that time too,
didn't it. Sort of the fifties and sixties.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yeah, suppliers, But.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
But you know what some of us would give our proverbial,
Yeah yeah, but a new contrast to the swan song
of a certain medium slow bowler who got quite a
chest recently.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
And what's your proverbial?
Speaker 5 (31:19):
Mostly the left one?
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Because you didn't leave team many after that? Did you
leave many in those days?
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Never mind, we will move on. Brian Waddell Jeremy Coney
on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
A recent announcement from the ICC meeting in Singapore might
not have attracted the celebrations it could have in many
parts of the cricket world, but it was a significant
statement from the top level administrators on the importance of
growing the game. They're up to one hundred and ten
members now in the ICC and the two new member
countries Zambian Cricket Union and Team or Less Day Cricket Federation.
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They're part as the ICC Associate membership. There might have
been a glass or two raised by one Cavity coase
Rerisen if he'd been there, of course at the time.
I think he was in the UK enjoying the summer
and the cricket and that part of the world. Mark
Young has been a passionate cricket follower in recent times,
has spent a period in Team or Less Day whereas
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we used to know East tm Or and Mark joins
us on the front foot. I wonder how being part
of the ICC as associate member would have been received
in Dilly.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Mark you know what's good to be here? Yeah? Well,
I think in the small pockets of the cricket community
they were ecstatic, to be honest, but I think there's
still large portions of Dilly that probably don't really realize
what cricket actually is. So it depends who you speak to.
I guess.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yeah, So how's it got to this stage? I mean,
you've worked hard in terms of promotion and development for
the game there. Tell us about your involvement and how
it's got to the stage.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
We were well, me and my partner Lara were volunteering
there through the essay in about twenty eighteen, well between
eighteen and twenty and one day, on the way back
from work on a microlate, which is a very small bus,
a bit of a dodgy bus that anyway, I saw
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a few locals playing cracket with I couldn't believe it,
with sort of homemade bats and homemade stumps, and so
I'm like, did I really see that? The next day,
same journey, decided to get off introduce myself and they
invited me to come and coach. So I used all
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the skills for my whitby junior under elevens to help
the team or less day youth, and it sort of
went on from there and we got a lot of
it was actually bounded by a Pakistani guy, Van tire
and Man and Maliana his Timris wife who we're passionate
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about cricket. They got a few players at Youngster's playing
but as to say, they had these that homemade equipment,
like a homemade bat and a homemade stumps. The bat
was actually the size the width of the of the stumps,
so totally illegal. You know, you'd never have got Jeff
boy got out with it. But anyway, it was that
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that was what they were using. And so I got
involved and we managed to get some gear from local
clubs around Wellington that Christmas of twenty eighteen, and yeah,
it sort of went on from there really and grew
the game.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Yeah you've been arranging gear for some time. You've been
a couple of guys, haven't you.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yeah's a couple of guys you know. Recently this year
thanks to Cricket Wellington who donated quite a few, quite
a lot of gear, sort of plastic you know, kids
gear which is great for schools. And also there's an
organization in the UK called Back for a Chance run
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by Will and Nicky and John and they provide gear
to developing countries around the world. And we applied and
we managed to get hold of what will be about
twenty four to twenty five bags full of gear from
the UK that will basically help the national men's team,
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the national women's team that's currently at the moment on
its way from hopefully from London to Dilly on a
container and that should arrive in October. So yeah, getting
the equipment is very is critical to develop cricket in
Team More. But it's not the easiest place to get
to and I should should add that when we sent
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the gear earlier this year from from Wellington to Dilly,
it was thanks to the New Zealand Defense Force who
had a spare corner on a container, so we used it.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Yeah, I guess, yeah, I guess you'd still want more gears.
So anybody who wants to provide some gear or help
with the development of the game over there, we can
be in contact with Mark and you can get us
on the front foot twenty at gmail dot com and
we can offer the opportunity to get gear up to
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Team More. What about the standard of play, It won't
be that high.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
I imagine it's not that high. No, currently and it's
we had up to about two hundred youngsters playing. There
is actually an older group of players who are a
lot of like expat Indians and Pakistanis who will play
every Sunday at a particular ground in Dilley where they
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use their four wheel drives to flatten the pitch and
before they start, and yeah, they have some pretty fierce contests.
So there are some some sort of expats that play
and have played for a number of years. But we're
obviously aiming at the younger generation of Timorese going into
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schools and yeah, so certainly the quality is not there yet.
But I did take two younger, the better young the
more talented Timmeris to dow it. But a few years
ago and the and the North, you know, the anti
cricket guys were very welcoming and they were there for
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a week and they were very impressed with the abilities,
the actual natural abilities of these Timori Timaris cricketers. So
so the talent is there, but it is very raw
and needs quite a lot of yeah developments.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Do you get assistance from the ICC, Will they be
helping out and will there be opportunities for players to
play in competitions outside team more, because I guess that's
where they get most of their cricket at the moment,
doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Well, it is, yeah, I mean well we we We've
only had one actually offshore tour and that was de
Bali last year. So I mean ic CE a critical Obviously,
becoming an ic C associate member has a bit of
a game changer for Team More Cricket and they they
have been excellent in terms of providing support. Yeah, giving
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us a plan of what we need to do. We
need to develop a couple of grounds, and particularly women's
cricket is a big is a big focus and and
they've been helpful in terms of, you know, pointings in
the right direction. A guy called Toby and Emily at
ICC who have been our main points of contact, and yeah,
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they they're at a we've actually just done a budget
for the next few months and they will be giving
us some money to help develop the game in two
more and as an associate member you get a certain
amount of money a year which you know is to
develop the game and that is a game change it
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for Team More Cricket.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
Yeah, you talked about going to Northern Territory in Australia.
That I guess is a closer option as well. You
probably want an hour away from Darwin.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah, Darwin Dilly is about an hour and a bit
flight than Darwin. It's it's it's incredibly close. It kind
of feels like different planets sometimes when you when you
do that trip. But yeah, Northern Territage cricket, you know,
that's a link that we want to develop undoubtedly. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
So yeah, yeah, because you've got to find a way
of improving quality and getting the standard up so that
you can play in whatever regional tournaments the.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
ICC host absolutely absolutely, yeah so and yeah, so there's
nt cricket and of course coaching, you know, we want
to get some more professional coaching over to Team more
and they may be able to help us with that.
But there's other countries in the region like Indonesia and
(40:45):
Pappy New Guinea and who are part of this East Asia.
So so Team always become part of what they call
East Stagia Pacific ICC, which is and there's twelve countries
involved in that, including Indonesia, Pappy New Guinea, Thailand, et cetera,
et cetera. So they are our closest sort of playing
(41:05):
partners and they are hopefully who we will start playing
in T twenty competitions in the next two or three years,
subject to askedding, you know, developing to that sort of standard. Yeah,
so some people have sort of equated team or a
little bit to Afghanistan. I mean they're obviously the you know,
the the amazing achievement they've made and both sort of
(41:29):
very conflict post conflict you know countries, and yeah, but
I guess we've got a long way to go to
emulate Afghanistan. But it's amazing what they've done. You know,
you never know where you're going to get it from.
There was a guy in the middle of nowhere in
the wire Rappa, a Yorkshireman actually, and he had about
fifty or sixty cricket balls that I went out to get.
(41:51):
You know, you never know what's in people's garages. So
the more gear the better. The other thing that we
are doing is we have a plan to develop a
new ground by the end of this year, and so
we are fundraising. We've just started to give a little
page to help fundraise for funds for you know, to
(42:15):
develop that ground, which will be the Lords of Team
more probably probably have the slope as well.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
But yeah, yeah, well quite clearly you'll be able to
apply your trade as a player in that part of
the world, knowing your expertise with the ball.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Who knows, I might make my international debut for Team
More in Bali in November if they do that, which
will be kind of crazy.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
Thanks yay, very good to talk to you, and we'll
keep up to date with any hope that you know,
somebody will come forward with some gear that they can
offer you.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Thank you, Well's really appreciate it, appreciate your time.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Thanks for much, Marky. It'd be an interesting prospect Lord's
team or they're looking for a new ground up there, Jerry.
I don't know whether you would actually qualify to play there,
but I'm sure you've played in some unusual places. My
I remember you went to once.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Didn't you.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (43:11):
I did. That's entire the north of Ti chang Rai,
chang Rai, chang Rai, Yeah, chang Rai up in the top.
I enjoyed that from Mark. Actually, is he the guy
that I occasionally drank? Was at your place? It okay?
All right? Well, no, good guy. He sounds a nice
guy too, and I loved that idea of the him
(43:34):
seeing them roll the picture with a four wheeled drive vehicle.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
What is that different?
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah? Different, A bit different from discussing pictures with Meg
lay on the ground staff from Lords actually a couple
of weeks ago, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
Yes, So yeah, you know there may be something for
us to go up there and play. When they take
it take a too.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Well, I think, yeah, I think I probably think with
all with those four wheel drive tire tracks, I think
it'd be a bit variable, and so I probably i'd
probably go off my long run up and that would
be that would race to four paces. Now I just
(44:20):
had a hit done, of course, so it's more of
a more of a stagger than a run up. And
I'm hoping they're using still in team or less a
two piece balls so that I could get a bit
of swing. You you would feel for me was on
the off side where I think your sledging would be
(44:42):
more effective than your fielding.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
And the last time I saw you on the park
in a match, you've got to catchure it where you
didn't didn't really demand you to move too far, and
as the ball descended it arrived and it must have
burst through your heads or maybe your hands weren't in
(45:05):
the right place.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
But I did see it collide with your head. It did,
and yeah, and it rebounded and bounced over the boundary
for six. So you're not You're not going legs side
as far as I'm concerned. And when we bat wadds
with our failing eyesight, I think it's sort of convulsive
(45:32):
cony locomotion and your twitchy waddle waddle singles are out.
I would say yes and maybe pause. Very fortunate and
mainly from the inside edge.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
I'd be tight. I'd be tired out walking out to
the middle to bat. But we couldn't get a game
going up there of geriatrics, and you might.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
We'll all go up and I'd be well, I think
both of us below nine.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
Look, have you played on unusual grounds where you wouldn't
expected to play any cricket?
Speaker 3 (46:13):
Yeah? Well, yeah, I do.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
In a number of spring to mind, and one in
particular which has scarred me and has also given me
great trouble. It's obscure and it's it's it's it's up
in the highlands of Johnson book called Alex Moore Park.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
There's never really from the.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Hell and Isaac will be listening to this.
Speaker 5 (46:34):
I mean there was straight, I mean I mean the
local inhabitants were largely described as the village idiots.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
And so.
Speaker 5 (46:45):
God knows where and and and I've never Yeah, it's
it's it's it's a sense that scarred me ever since.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
Yeah, let's kill there Johnsonville listeners.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
We can't. Yeah, we have to be traveling through and
very strong cars like sort of four wheel drives.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
Do you think maybe, well, some of us learned how
cricket on Thennville Park had to play there for God.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
So come in we did, We did, and it didn't
have that little rise at the end. Remember that moose
you had come out at Elmore and you have that
little rise at the end there that would at the
ball at least would come back to you.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
What about overseas, No.
Speaker 5 (47:27):
No, I look at you know, having played played in
northern England, you ended up playing in some pretty interesting places.
And and I also played a lot of what they
used to call them those days, jazz hat cricket, which
is now been embraced in New Zealand with like people
people of middle aged persuasions, like wearing struppy blazers. But
that took me to small grounds, private grounds cricket. Really
(47:54):
tell you what it's we we we. We've been dealing
with geopolitical stuff, but at its core it's given me
a lot of great memories and a lot of mates
around the world.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
You know.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Yeah, it's sort of been the home for a lot
of fun cricket and I'm sure they have a lot
of fun and each team more. And I'll have a
word with Young he might be able to arrange a
trip for us to get even if we go out
there and play six a side, you know, that could
be an interesting challenge.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Much running, too much running came into the bush.
Speaker 5 (48:26):
I can feel the twins in my hamstring already.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Well your insurance.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
We'll try and get some people to give to the
give a little page. They're also setting up to try
and establish a new ground in Dilly in tim or Leste,
one of two new countries admitted to the ICC, Zambia
being the other. There's one hundred and ten members of
the ICC, so it's a fairly strong outfit in terms
(48:53):
of the reach. Whether it does enough for those places
as it does for itself in India and other places,
I'm not too sure. Thanks for making the trip home,
Jerry to join us, Otherwise it would have been pretty
tough on Moose. I just doing this all on our own,
so I'm glad you're able to come home and actually
(49:14):
your house was still standing.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yeah, well it is that that was a bonus. I
don't think we flew over t more, just a bit
to the east of that. It's actually I didn't look
it upwards to see how many grounds they play on
(49:40):
at the moment, which I guess looks like school cricket
to me, or which is a good place to start
get the kids involved. And then they also have one
that's at Dilly in the capital, as you mentioned, the
Tussy Tollu ground in Dilly, and they start at seven
am in the morning. They speak two languages there, but look,
(50:06):
obviously I think Portuguese. Their skull is the word for school,
I think, isn't it. At scholar Pechondria bahlabah esb. They
were playing the Dilly Dragons at seven am on September
the sixth, and then at nine o'clock in the morning
the Dilly International School. Well that makes sense, doesn't it
(50:27):
playing a Scholar Fenatil. So those are the two matches
at that ground in Dilly. And then there's another place
which is a province away to the northwest of Dilley,
which is at one end kind of the western end of.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
T More.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
And that is a place I don't know how to
pronounce it, guys.
Speaker 6 (50:50):
It's OECU ssec or something I can't anyway, And there's
a cricket ground and they were playing three games on
September the sixth, and they're at nine am, twelve pm
and three thirty pm.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
So a little bit longer. It's one hundred sixty three k's.
It takes you three hours and three minutes by car
to get there from Dilley, or fifty two minutes in
a plane.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
So there you go.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
Well, could could be a lot of fun on our
trip up that part of the world. I'll get Youngie
onto it and we'll see what we can do in
terms of a tour. You'll be you'd be started, Remoose,
yes or no.
Speaker 5 (51:33):
Look, look I'll come back to you on that if
that's all right.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Yeah, I don't think the seven am one is good
for Moose. I think maybe the three thirty he can
kind of get he can kind of get his strapping
done by then.
Speaker 5 (51:48):
Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
You will look into that.
Speaker 4 (51:52):
We'll look into that Thanks guys, till you again that.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
That can.
Speaker 4 (52:00):
Summer.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
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