December 22, 2025 • 44 mins
With the West Indies test series over, Herald cricket writer Andrew Alderson joined us to reflect on the successes, Under 19 coach Anton Devcich joins to assess the side chosen for the upcoming event and we reflect on the chances of Brendan McCullum retaining the England coaching job.
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The Black Cats leap up the second on the World
Test Championship. Does a two year old series wouldn't feel
like the season is over? Before Christmas? And soul searching
the English campus their fans spend big for a Nash's
Christmas holiday. Surely the hilly criticism must play on the
minds of the leaders and the cream of our age
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group talent heads for the Under nineteen World Championships in Zimbabwe.
We'll hear from the coach, have the pleasure of the
company of herald cricket writer and news Talk zemb Voice
and whatever else he does. I think he's a crick
info man as well. Andrew Ordison to join us this morning, Jerry.
So we've got two men who were at the game
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and can review what happened, not only in man Mung
and IRBT in the Test series. Are we feeling that
the summer is over though? Orders you know, that's the
end of it until March the fifteenth does have.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
That field, so it doesn't the morning Jeremy.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
I think, yeah, it always revolves out of the tests
for me, and that's been done and dusted. Now with us,
we Cindy's series went albit he Zeland eventually came to
the party there.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I think.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
They had to work hard at it and it was
hard for victory on the series, but ultimately points on
the board in the World Test Championships and context there.
But then you have to wait till all that time
until what during before the next tests are underway, and yes,
there's going to be the one days and now they
head away for World T twenty and to India for
prelim series, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
But yeah, that just feels right in the heart of
the New Hill and Cricket summer where it should be. Jerry.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
How do you rate the Test Series from an overall
performance point of view?
Speaker 6 (02:36):
Look on, it feels as though it's just the start
of summer, to be honest, proper, the best part of
summer is usually February March, a bit of January perats
late January.
Speaker 7 (02:48):
It's always been that way, and you and I have
been round a lot longer than most.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
So yes, it does feel premature that we've we've wrapped
it up basically and it's white ball cricket from here
on in. I guess that's to do with the World
Cup mainly, But that's a bit of a shame we've
got as far as the tour is concerned.
Speaker 7 (03:11):
What did we gain?
Speaker 6 (03:13):
We gained the Duffy, a third seema coming in for
me and the batting. I don't think we can take
a hell of a lot from it, to be honest,
and we'll know more after the England, India and Australia
two important tours away.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
There aren't there England and Australia big ones.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
So yeah, disappointing that it's come to this sort of
premature end when things were kind of starting.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, all is your writings behind a paywall now, so
a lot of us seem to miss out on that.
How did you see the lessons out of this series.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Well, it's terrible news for you. Look and I think.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
I think that like Jeremy, I think the gain of Duffy,
I mean twenty three wickets at fifteen point four to
three across that series, a five wicket bag in each
of the Tests, and just the ability to toil really
impressed me. I mean, especially with the lack of bowling
death lets at the start. But then we saw him
to Bubba thought Michael Ray was Okazach Folks probably faded
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towards the.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
End of the series.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
But for my mind, when you lose the spearhead in
Matt Henry, you haven't got Willow Rourke nor Kyle Jamison.
What Duffy was able to do there was top notch
and really I guess put in New Zealand to the
forefront of the series. I was pleased Aged Patel got
a run at melmong and Nui and just did a
you know, a workman hike performance got the wickets. He
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needed six wickets for the match. I think from a
one hundred and thirty six it probably as a lieutenant
to Duffy, if you like. With what was happening on
the final day, the batting I agree with Jeremy. Probably
not a lot you could read into it. I mean,
it's still impressive the numbers that Latham and Como to
put together with those two century partnerships in the Third
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Test and the centuries and both in when you can't
argue with that. And I think just New Zealand's decision
to bat I think was bold and paid off in
that Third Test at the Mount with the spin towards
the end, and also just they're able to put the
big tone on the board with five seventy five, but
backed it up with some quick runs for the three
to zero six and the second innings and gave them
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time at the West Indies. So I think it was
a well paced Test from their perspective and they can
take a bit from that. But yeah, it's yeah, we
look forward to those three cracking series now England and
Australia away but India at home, and that's hopefully came.
Winniams is going to be around for that that he's
able to put retirement prospects to one side and be
able to continue it.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
In that regard, Jerry, the stars of the past twelve
months and you've mentioned them both. Jacob Duffy and Matt
Henry as spearheads of the attack. Which one rates higher
from your point of view, because both of them have
been significant contributors, haven't they.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
I think as far as the bowling is concerned, Henry
is still the number one just because of his longevity.
He's a different kind of bowler from Duffy. Duffy is
able to swing the ball, he's taller, he gets more bounce,
so he's not quite as skiddy as Henry. Henry, however,
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has done all the work and I think he would
still be the main bowler leading the attack, if you'll
really want to put it that way. I think also
those other names are very important as regards those next
three tours.
Speaker 7 (06:49):
I think we need to very carefully.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
Look at the way that we lost those players, and
why has Duffy been able to come through and bowl
long as spells seven eight overs and then come back
and still keep the pace up and still be able
to go to a variety of methods to test the batsman.
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I just don't think we got it from the other
bowlers quite to the same extent. Interesting it was that
both Duffy and Ray are seasoned first class performers, they've got,
you know, time behind them, overs behind them, seasons behind them.
Folks didn't have that. He's come from a white ball
background a bit in the a cricket, but looked hooked
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at the end. I also thought he bowled too wide
on the bowl increase, that he should have been in
closer and you don't have to swing it quite so much.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
So I think there are you know, I'm not saying
he's out of it.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
He's a young man and he may need to learn
to hold the batter bit more so that he can
give some runs and supply those in the lower order
as well as his bowling, because I don't think at
one hundred and twenty five to one hundred and thirty
at max he's going to be an open bowler. And
they wanted him to open the bowling because of the
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new ball, so and they feel that there's not much
if the ball isn't new, So that actually compounds a
bit of his issue, I think, as far as agez
Butteller is concerning his inclusion, we got to try and
get a spinner somehow odds and my opinion, I'm not
sure whether you build the whole game around him the
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way that we had to at Towonga and the Mount.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
It was only when the.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
Last day that the pitch started to blat and the
crack started to arrive that he really looked a danger
and then looked as if he was.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
Going to bowl over the wicket for too long.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
He's got to be coming around and beating people in
the air and then turn the ball past the bat.
Speaker 7 (09:02):
That's the job of a left arm spinner.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
And it seems to me that also the arm ball
for a left spinner, a left arm spinner has now
almost disappeared. I thought that would be quite a useful
delivery to have when he came around the wicket.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah. Interesting in as much as we did stretch the
bowling resources, didn't we Or have you been to the
series press conference? Any general thoughts from Rob Walter?
Speaker 5 (09:30):
I think along those lines, particularly just that he was
impressed with how the depth was able to adapt in
those circumstances. He was asked that the Blundle Hay situation,
which I think is another interesting factor from the series,
that Mitch Hay is putting some pressure on there Tom Blundell,
but he's going to stick with Blundle for now, and
of course that does make some sense with how successful
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Blundle was in England last time he was there, I
think too, just from a Rob Walter perspective, a chance
to get outside the shadow of Gary Stead now with
a first first World Test Championship points and outside of
a series against them, babe, and then just the spring
of cricket with all those rain effected games in October November.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
And this is something that you know, meety, that he
can point to on his resume.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
I think I was also impressied just how I could
see him and Tom Latham consulting each other in depth,
sort of looking at the at that pitch like a
couple of art historians looking at Da Vinci's last supper
ahead of the game to see whether they're going to
play a spinner or the pace option in Christian Clark
and I think they got that right.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
So a few ticks and the Rod Bolder column there.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
He was happy with how the batting had unfolded, and equally,
the dialogue continues with Williamson ahead of these upcoming tests,
hoping that he will stay in the Test game.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah, Jerry, that hay Blundell won is an interesting one,
isn't it? Because you pick on batting ability to some
extend and you look at the teams around the world
batsman to the fore. But is that the prime requirement
batting or is it the ability to keep how good
the keeper is.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
I think you're a keeper first and then you've become
very useful if you can do that adequately. Most of
our bowling tends to be seen based, so you're you're
generally standing back. Although after the carey kind of things
that we've seen in Australia and England, I mean it
may become more of a fashion and a way to
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come up, which is certainly with batsmen like for example Mitchell.
You know, it keeps them at home and it allows
bowlers to bowl a length more consistently rather than change them.
As far as our batting was concerned, Wadds, I think both,
to be honest with you, as far as they, I
think Hay and Blunder will both go to England so
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that there'll be more chance to look at that.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
I think.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
As far as Conway Lathan concerned, Conway, yes, they got
both of them got runs against what was a pretty
mediocre attack. To be honest, I know that well the
last and of course you didn't have roach rawch there
at all, and the rest seals kind of deteriorated. I
felt a bit with his line and length throughout the series.
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Graves as a medium fast bowler. Only Phillips looks dangerous
deliveries occasional ones, but leaks runs in between. And then
Shields didn't play a heck of a lot did he.
But as far as the openers we're concerned. I still
don't think I thought that the defense of qualities of
Conway have gone completely.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
They're still occurring around that sort of leg.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Stump line with one hand coming off the bat and
you can see with the bounce in Australia that may
may be an issue. I don't understand why players and
teams playing against US don't have a batpad those around
the area you know, where you hit the glove and
it goes off the body and it.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
Can go you know, in the air. Lathan pretty similar,
you know, dogged solid lot.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
Conway very good through the off side and the last
Test match looking a top quality player. Williamson not quite
the force that he has been, missing the ball a
little bit more, looked a bit more comfortable when they
were having to bowl wide and could play some shots
Ravendra aggressive cost him a couple of innings in the
in the series in between hit one hundred and seventy
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and runs in the last match as well. Mitchell fairly solid.
So they will be the names we will see. I
don't think there's any doubt about that. The question in
my mind when we get to Australia, which is probably
the key to her I know it's a wee way away,
but do we take six batsmen and not play the
keepers as a sixth, play them as a seven and
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it means that you then have one less bowler. I
think that that's going to be a question mark that
we'll need to sort of discuss.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I think, yeah, interesting staff orders because there's a hell
a lot of time between the next Test and they're
not going to have a lot of first class cricket.
I just to wonder how much the impact of first
class players are going to have on the selection process
further down the line. The likes of Hefe Mariu et cetera,
et cetera, those guys who've performed in the A's and
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are going into the planket shield.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Still barring injury.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
It's hard to see how they have all retirement it's
hard to see how they have any impact, to be honest,
given I think they will just settle for the status
quo from this series, as Jerry mentions here, perhaps taking
Mitch Hagh as well on that tour with with Blundele
to England. I think if there was a retirement with
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Williams such, they'd probably just bring will Young in there.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Rather than maybe op for Mariu or Curtis Heathy, etc.
I think it'll be fairly stable looking ahead.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
They're just trying to think of other Maybe, you know,
if they did bring back a Henry Nichols who has
been prolific with runs but is thirty four now Young
thirty three, So ultimately I mean with a plunket shield
this year, I think anyone could keep putting the runs.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
On the boards regularly.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
It almost becomes sort of a first drop idol in
a way. But maybe it's beyond those series that we're
coming up to in the next year.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Well, we've got white balls to throw in the year now,
so we can play with white balls for two or
three months. Jerry can put your feet up and wait
for the next red ball game by a New Zealand team.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
Yeah, it's going to be a while, isn't it on?
Speaker 6 (15:45):
It just shows how the white ball is kind of devouring,
and that's been a word that's used frequently, isn't it
the red ball game. Let's hope that the tests may
they continue a long time because a lot of people
do feel that that's what they regard as the principal format.
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So where you find out about most of the players
and you find out what their defense is like, you
find out what their attacking abilities, how they solve problems
while the game is going on and they're batting out
in the middle.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
So those.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Are It's the format I prefer. I'm guessing it might
be for both of you as well. But it's not
the format that makes money. So we need to think
of a new way of doing that. I think because
Test cricket, I think it should actually make money, to
be honest. We've just got to find a way of
doing that. So yeah, white ball, Yeah, okay, we can
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live with that for a while, but I'm looking forward
to the next test.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
When we get it.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Brian Waddell Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
The cream of our age group talent is about to
head off to Zimbabwe for the Under nineteen World Cup.
The team, captain by Otago's Tom James, will be coached
by high performance coaches Graham Aldridge and Paul Wiseman, and
headed by former Black Cap Anton Devsitch who joins us
on the front foot and Anton without stats and information
to back the view. Is it the strongest team in
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terms of first class experience we've ever sent to the
world event.
Speaker 8 (17:20):
Yeah, yeah, I'll say you wouldn't be too far from
the truth there. We've had I think we've had five
players over the last well over this season that have
represented their major association unless stay cricket or first first
class cricket. So you know, it's just a good sign
for us that all of our emays and stuff doing
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a really good job at that level where where they're
getting players ready to go a little bit earlier than
what they potentially once have.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Is it basically a package of players that represents what
we've got available at under nineteen in terms of those
who would have attended the under nineteen in christ Church?
Speaker 8 (18:04):
Yeah, yes, So basically we have the d the Das
women in here and chross Church, which we had a
few of them not there because of first class duty
and we also went out to the das throughout the
winter and so it has got to one of the
sorry regarding certain players and whatnot. And we had five
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or six camps during the winter just to get to
know players a little bit better and see what was
gone around the country at that time, and it was
a really good start. We built some good relationships and
found out a lot about some players before the tournament
even started.
Speaker 9 (18:42):
So you know, those tournaments pop around and sometimes.
Speaker 8 (18:48):
The players get a little bit a little bit gun
shy and don't show their true colors. Where we've had
a good six to eight month period where we've got
to know their true colors before this tournament, so we
could see past that a little bit.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah, it comes with a good time too, because our
players are all playing cricket at the moment. Sometimes you
get off season, don't you. But now you've got players
who in the middle of their form.
Speaker 8 (19:11):
Period absolutely, and most of the players are playing a
really high high level of cricket. If they haven't played
first class cricket or the day cricket, the majority of
them are playing NBA level or itago a level and
they're getting heaps of opportunity opportunities through.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
Certain tournaments that them as run.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
A couple of weeks ago there was a big t
twenty m a tournament TAPO which quite a large number
of the guys that have been selected were playing. So
they're consistently playing against men and people of their sort
of of their calibers. So it's really good to put
them up against up against men in particular because the
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caliber of people would be playing the World Cup will
be slightly high, and then what school cricket and stuff
like that would be here.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yeah, that's the interesting thing of course, because you don't
know what you're up against to do you in terms
of the opposite. You may know what sort of conditions
you're going to play and in terms of pitchers and grounds,
but the opposition is an unknown quality for a start off,
isn't it.
Speaker 9 (20:20):
Wow?
Speaker 8 (20:20):
Yes, and that The internet's a wonderful thing and we've
managed to find quite a bit of footage, particularly on
the Asian teams. They've played a large number of games
leading up to this World Cup.
Speaker 9 (20:33):
Some have played thirty plus over the two year cycles.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
So most of those games are on TV and we've
got access to all those through New Zealand cricket and
the work they do. Analysis wise, the Australians England are
the same, so we do have a little bit more
information about them than what we probably did ten to
fifteen years ago.
Speaker 9 (20:54):
So it's just it's just another tool for us to sort.
Speaker 8 (20:57):
Of look into, I guess in terms of when we
get over there, giving the guys as much information as
possible so there's no surprises. Ultimately, we're going to focus
on what you do well as kiwis and it's an
experience for them to to get a taste of what
touring as an international team actually is.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Like, Yeah, and I guess you've got players who've been
to Zimbabwe in the past that you can tap in
on in terms of conditions. We watch from here and
get the feeling that their conditions are pretty similar to
what we play on here.
Speaker 8 (21:32):
Have you been able to gauge that, Yeah, were the
Black Keeps wherever they're not so long ago, so there's
there's been a little bit of feedback regarding that, albeit.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
They may have played play a different grounds is what
we're going to.
Speaker 8 (21:45):
We've got a couple of coaches over there that have
coached in New Zealand, so we do have we do
have some good contacts over there, and we've had some
information regarding the wickets about how they're going to play
in and that that that just that type stuff really,
but ultimately it is going to be a little bit
different to what we do do get here. So that's
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the cool thing about this group that we've got. It's
about them and Justine and they've all got the games
to do it. You know, some of them are playing
in the Target, some of the are playing up in Auckland,
and and they come up against each different conditions as
it is.
Speaker 9 (22:20):
So it's just adapting and trying to put your best
foot forward.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Yeah, I guess you look at them as a squad.
I from the outside have seen some of the players play,
and there's some pretty well performed individuals within your squad,
isn't it?
Speaker 9 (22:35):
Absolutely absolutely?
Speaker 8 (22:37):
And I'd like to think the squad that we've we've
picked there, there isn't really a standout. They come they've
come together really well as a team, and I look
across the whole squad and there's people that can affect
the game, which which is what you want. You don't
want to put too much pressure on on the players
that that that have probably played higher on us. You
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just want them to enjoy the experience and just do
what they what they do for them as so, I'm
relatively confident with a group of really mature group. They're
a lot much mature than what I was when I
was playing in the n Z nineteen stuff. They're just
so much more developed and they've played a high level
of cricket, so it should bide.
Speaker 9 (23:20):
Well, Yeah, do you.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Set a goal for the I mean, everybody wants to
win the tournament, don't they Have you got any initial
goals that you want to set in terms of achievement?
Speaker 9 (23:31):
I mean, you know, the goal is always to win
games of cricket. That's in our DNA.
Speaker 8 (23:37):
But from New Zealand Cricket's point of view, it's because
we don't get the volume and we might not have
the resource that other teams have. It's about, I guess,
giving them the experience and fast tracking them as quickly
as we can in terms of professional cricketers and teaching
them the things that they need to know to be
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a successful first class cricketer first and foremost here in
New Zealand, and hopefully if they do that really well,
they bode well for international cricket. So there's a lot
foundation stuff that we're trying to do, standards and all
that sort of stuff. Where we said it is really
important as KEYWI is that we need to get this
into these sort of standards into the players as young
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as we can so they can play first class cricket
for a long period of time and not just be
one or two season type players.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Yeah, we've been successful at that. I mean, players like
yourself and others have come through and achieved international level
experience and performance. And I guess that's the most important
thing because it is a vital age group level, isn't
it in terms of our future development?
Speaker 7 (24:46):
It is.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
Yeah, And like I said a little bit earlier, there's
so much more mature and advanced as what we were ten, fifteen,
twenty years ago.
Speaker 9 (24:56):
And that's down to the job in New Zealand.
Speaker 8 (24:59):
Cricket doing in terms of, you know, making the mays
accountable and having good structures around these players from an
earlier age. You know, some of these some of these
players that are in this team have been in academies
for three to four years with their their major association
and the people the people that are in those major
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associations are doing good job and trying to I guess,
enhance these players and get them get them fast tracked
as quickly as we can. And on the on the
flip side to it, I guess the one thing that
that we all want to see as people playing a
large volume of cricket and a high level of cricket.
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And there's more school teams playing in senior senior men's
competitions around the country at the moment, particularly your bigger skills,
and from my point of view, it's a it's a
really good test for them and that's probably.
Speaker 9 (25:55):
One of the main reasons why they are so advanced.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
And do you need players with all round experience because
we've only got fifteen and you come across a pitch
that might be a very good pitch on day one,
but the block might get used to three, four or
five times. You need another type of cricketer, a spinner
or a receiver or whatever to fill your side. So
you've got to have players that cover all eventualities.
Speaker 9 (26:22):
Yeah. Yeah, we're basically a selection the selection sort.
Speaker 8 (26:26):
Of criteria that we've gone through as you would for
an international tour. You know, they've got their formulas on
how many you know, seemas that we need for a
tool like this, or how many spinners would likely take
on an international tour, and how many rounders, how many batters,
what could keepers, et cetera. So it's been a pretty
robust selection sort of I guess criteria or selection style
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that we've gone through, which has been really good learning
from my point of view, just to see that how
in depth New Zealand Cricket actually goes into selecting these
tour teams. It's not just them pick them out of
the hat and whoever's playing best sort of gets in.
It's you've got to cover basis and and the thing
that we picks no different to that.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
You've got a couple of experience mates to help you
out to Graham Albridge that you've probably played with and
Paul Wiseman who's been the high performance coach for a
period of time, and they are going to be invaluable
for you in terms of the development of these players.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (27:29):
I mean Graham Auders have played with for fifteen years
and I know him well and how he operates and
he's the perfect man for this age group of cricketers.
He can he can adapt to to sort of their style,
and you know, there's there's parts of it where you've
got to be compassionate for them because they're learning, and
you've got to give them. You give them a hug
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one day and a slightly difficult message message the next.
And he's you know, he's done it for a long
period of time now with New Zealand cricket, and so
too is Paul Wiseman. Paul Wiseman, he is he's kind
of the godfather of this sort of this area in
New Zealand cricket. When I first turned the amount of
players that he knew and knew about, I was really
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surprised and amazed. And he does a really good job
and trying to be across as many cricketers as you can.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
You've got a fairly big CV. Did you ever end
up playing in Zimbabwe? I've been there a few times
and I'll tell you what, they're very hospitable and very
sociable people. They will look after you.
Speaker 9 (28:31):
Yes, No, there was.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
Honestly, that's probably one of the places that I haven't been. Zimbabwe.
Got a couple of mates, a couple of coaches, Trevor
Penny and a few others that I've cross path with
over the years and they told me.
Speaker 9 (28:46):
Wonderful things about Zimbabwe.
Speaker 8 (28:48):
So I'm really looking forward to you know, there's something
new and we'll enjoy ourselves over there. We will experience
the culture as much as as much as we can.
But yeah, I'm really looking forward to it, and I
know I know the team where we've only we've only
got to wait a few more, few more days.
Speaker 9 (29:05):
We've gone the second of January, so look forward to it.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
You're out pretty quick and I think you warm up
games are at Queen's Club in Bulaweo.
Speaker 9 (29:14):
Yes, yeah, we've got a couple. We've got a couple
of games, warm up games, which is really good.
Speaker 8 (29:18):
We're going a little bit earlier than what the ICC
sort of the part that they take over.
Speaker 9 (29:24):
We're going to bed a week early.
Speaker 8 (29:26):
And you see Cricket have got us over there so
we can just get a few more days of preparation,
which is great.
Speaker 9 (29:33):
We don't have to rush into it over there.
Speaker 8 (29:34):
We can let the boys get over the gym lag
and do all the right things from a professional side
of things, and once those games start will make we'll
make good progress.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Well and ton we look forward to seeing you at
the final and the sixth of February with good performances
behind you, which you are all the very best, and
hope things go according to plan for you.
Speaker 9 (29:56):
Thanks very much, look forward to it.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Thanks Anton. And I suppose from one point, Jerry, you've
got to be proud as a grandfather that your grandson's
leading the side. But a different era, isn't it in
a different challenge for a young player.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
Oh yes, he's a good boy, Tom. He's had the game,
you know, a long time now, all his life.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Really, he's a thoughtful boy and he's he's looking forward
to He was there last year, didn't do quite so
well and he's keen to rectify all that this time.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
They've lost I think a spinner just in the last
day which will hurt them.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
I think a leg spinner who's got injured with a
backstress fracture.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
I think so that's a bit of a blow. They play.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
I think there are four groups, sex groups something like.
There are quite a few teams wads. I know New
Zealand play the US USA first. I'm not sure they
might play Bangladesh as well in the lead up, and
then they sort of filter into a sort of a
super eight, don't they.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah, well I've got India to play as well, so
that it would be a tough one for them, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Yeah, So two would go through from that group. New
Zealand obviously would like to be amongst that.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
In the past, under nineteen players and allers have come
through into the Test match arena, and you know, we
could name a whole lot of them, but it is
as important, I think as the a program that New
Zealand producers now because you know, this is the this
is the real development stage that we've got to put
a lot of effort into, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (31:41):
It is.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
And I've followed nine teams with quite some degree of
interests over the years, having been a liaison officer for
the Canadian team actually at the two thousand and two event,
I might add back in the day, and that was
a fascinating experience seeing it up close. And yeah, you've
seen well the likes and I suppose Kane Williamson to
the Trent Bolt, all these players have come through those
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ranks and eventually ended up in the Test game.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
It can be the be a few hiccups as well.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
I think I seem to record he's getting beaten by
Paul maybe or at one stage a few years back
where the best memory country at that level, there's not
always the video analysis I suppose that you need before
you go away to such tournament because people coming onto
the scene for the first time Zimbabwe and the Ybia.
That'll be a fascinating adventure for those chaps over there.
(32:30):
I would have thought as well, just going into an
unfamiliar environment and I'm fascinated the seeming. Obviously, Tom is
probably the highest profile player in former head boy at
Auckland Grammar, et cetera, is to leading the team and
now with a targo as to how he goes, I've
watched a few.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Videos of him, a couple of interviews as well.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
He speaks well, so he's certainly a player of some
profile at less than those ranks coming through And yeah,
just it's always great to see those younger players making
their way in the world of cricket and seeing I
guess how their careers unfold after this.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cony on the front foot.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
If Test cricket isn't making money in Australia, there's something wrong.
Because they had about one hundred and fifty thousand. I
think at the Adelaide Test, and there's poems coming from
far and wide to have a Christmas holiday with nothing
to play for all, because while they played some good
cricket during that series, they were generally woeful in the
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important areas, weren't they.
Speaker 9 (33:34):
England.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Let me just take a really deep breath. Yeah, I
mean that was just I'm just I'm still thinking that,
Harry Brookshott. I mean, I just think for such a
talented player, it just absolutely guts me that someone can
perform that shot in against the bowler of Lyons experience
and it probably symbolizes the serious me. I mean, they
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have played some good cricket, but you know it's over
inside eleven days, and that's really if you're investing your
money to go out to Australia, you want more than that.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I mean, having said that, you mentioned about the crowds.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
The contrast, I was disappointed with the bay Oval crowd
just you know, you're really they were struggling to fill
the embankments there over a few days and you looked
at it and compared it to add Lady and that
was absolutely pumping people just standing and just roaring appreciation
for the Test game, which is just all what I'm about.
(34:27):
And I think that in the end, I mean, England,
they put together that showing on the last day, but
it was not enough and I.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Think probably an underprepared lack of application.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
It just feels like they took it too casually. But
maybe it's just me observing from AFAR. Australia was licking
their lips for that, and I think you really need
to be more adaptable rather than too ideological or dogmatic
with your approach to Test cricket. You need to be
able to be pragmatic and just as you go in
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a Test series, and you know, even day to day
in Test match cricket. But the mcullum knows this, Ben
Stokes must know this as well, and I just wonder
how they'll change from here all the series is gone.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah, we'll both say they want to stay on, but
that's out of their hands. McCullum admits that he didn't
always get it right. But you know we've talked about
it previously, Jerry, haven't we They're just too one dimensional
England when you cannot play cricket and that one dimensional fashion.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
No, it's a multi dimensional game, and thank Heavens, it is,
and you adapt to what's in front of you and
the situation, and you might have to work jolly hard
to get through an hour and a half's cricket, and
suddenly the pitch starts to change and the bowlers get
a little tired, the ball gets a bit more soft,
and the game actually changes, and then you get the
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opportunity and all the hard work you've put in and
you might only be on fifteen not out.
Speaker 7 (35:59):
Who cares. Then they're still there to do the job
you're you're asked.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
To perform, and we didn't see that at all, and
that's where the idology ideology that you're talking about has
taken over and they lose wickets during those difficult periods.
I felt they were only ever ahead once in the
series of the three matches, and that was in Perse
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when they bowled Australia out and they were about one
hundred to two something like that ahead, and they had
an opportunity to put the foot down and be solid
and build the beginnings and make.
Speaker 7 (36:37):
It much more difficult.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
I thought they were always behind in the other two
matches and just trying to really hang on and get
back and then they would play a slightly loose shot
when they did get a partnership going, and.
Speaker 7 (36:50):
That was the end of it. So they were well behind.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
They weren't used to the intensity, and they didn't have
that multi layered approach to the game. They didn't have
a spinner who bowls for his county. They didn't have
a wicket keeper who wicket keeps for his county. They
didn't have an opening bowler that opens the bowling for
his county. That's how much they've changed the way that
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they approach the game. They've gone for attributes alone and
it hasn't worked.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
All us put your thinking cap on. Do you see
McCallum surviving as coach?
Speaker 5 (37:27):
Who are hard to see given just basically, if I'm
going to play the ball, not the man, I mean
just the way England revere the ashes, and I mean
maybe Stokes would survive as Kevin, but given how much
he's been linked, you know, the double helix approach to
this whole dasball for one of a better term approach
(37:50):
to the game.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I just think of it. They so tended to that
that and so far down the track, and the.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Series has lost before the last two games in Melbourne
and Sydney.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
The ashes is everything that's folks like.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Even when England are in New Zealand for Test matches
last year, you know, questions in press conference is inevitably
turned to the ashes and that's a year out. So
given the focus on that, I think that a change
might be inevitable. And with regard to Brendan but me
he will still be the demand in various other elements
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of the game, et cetera. But it's an experiment that
that might they might look back awkwardly on in years
to come.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Jerry, you of anybody knows how hard it is to
win in Australia and you were successful in doing that.
Is it the hardest country to win Test matches? And
we always used to think India was the toughest place
to go to, but New Zealand in recent times has
proved that that is a fallacy as well.
Speaker 7 (38:49):
Yeah, it has been wise, That's right, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
And they've been picking India have been picking some rather
strange sides recently with sort of three batsmen and four
all rounders and a couple of seams. I mean, it's
there's certainly some experimentation going on which is fine. It's
just a question of how does it work, and that's
why some of these older ways, let's put it that way.
(39:13):
The more it kind of ways to select sides and
so on works a bit better I think over time.
Otherwise we'd be doing it a lot more than we
have been. Australia is a tough place to tour. The heat, hot,
the bigger grounds, the hard grounds, the hard.
Speaker 7 (39:36):
Nature of pittures, the bounce.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
You do need to prepare yourself in my opinion, and
the preparation was inadequate as far as England were concerned.
To go from a low bounce pitch one that didn't again,
that didn't matter. That's not the way to start against
the intensity I mentioned a moment ago is just absent
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and I just feel we should learn from that very
very clearly before we go to Australia and find time
to play against an Australian A team or a state side.
Speaker 7 (40:12):
I remember back to that that I'm not suggesting out.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
It was perfect, but we had a two day game
up north for a while, we got a start and
then we went to Adelaide where all our batsmen got runs.
It was a draw, but we had a four day game.
It lasted four days. We got runs, Crow got two hundred.
Those sort of things we got people into form. Bowlers
had to go bowl a spell, go off into the heat,
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stand out, stand out there, chase hard, get the throw back,
then come back for a second and a third spell.
Those are the things you need to go through and
feel what it's like and run off as run off
the outground and then onto the pitch, you know, and
feel that in your feet and how hitting it hard
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like that, what it's like. You need to build up
those overs in the legs. You need to get hot,
you know, and recover all those things. We went finally
to the game where we played the actual first Test
and the Gabba that's where we played our last four
day game, right beside the pitch where we were going
to be playing on in the first Test, and we
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ended up getting five hundred and fifty there in the
first innings.
Speaker 7 (41:24):
It helped. It certainly helped. And we were in our.
Speaker 6 (41:27):
Changing room where we knew where the hotel. Everything was
kind of comfortable and we worked hard to do that.
So yeah, I think that that's the sort of build
up that New Zealand need because we don't have the
range of players to select from. We've got to give
those players who are our best players the chance to
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absorb those conditions, learn how to you know, to handle
the deliveries again. Make a mistake, go away and learn
about it, come back again and have another go. So
those are the sorts of things we need to do
before we start to play Australia again.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
It's a different quality and an intensity.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Well, the Test match series is over, we've got white
ball cricket to follow, as we talked about a little earlier.
And Jerry, it's it's time for Christmas shopping. You have
you done an your Christmas shopping?
Speaker 6 (42:23):
I'm in the car wads very close to Mount Eden
shops and guess where I'm going. You know this is
about at them all about sort of fourteen books I've
got to buy at some point, and then a few
Christmas cards and maybe a little note inside it. That's
that's a pretty dull present, I've got to say. But
that's all I've had time for.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Frankly, Yeah, all of us is still doing crickets, So
you haven't done yours or all this earlier.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, I'm relying quite heavily on center.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
I must say at this point to really pull his
weight before I get home, Otherwise it could be a
few pressy cards and other voucher type vouchers.
Speaker 7 (43:03):
Yeah, good call.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Yeah, I'm relying very heavy.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
I hope that guy the north pole is really rolling
his sleeves up.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Yeah, I'm relying very heavily on my wife. I'm sure well,
she'll do the right thing.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Anyway, guys, thanks very much for the contributions to this program,
Jerry right throughout the year, and Andrew Orderson handing you
on for a while. Orders we just remedy that at
some stage and wish you all the very best, and
thank you for warming yourself up in the car listening
to Rob Walters press conference.
Speaker 6 (43:43):
All right, yeah, all right, all right, wads and olders
have a happy time and all our listeners of course, yeah,
you have a happy Christmas as well, and enjoy your
time with your families and so on.
Speaker 7 (43:54):
That would be great, And we'll be back to you.
Speaker 6 (43:58):
Presumably Waddles are task master everybody, so we'll be back
next year.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
I guess what.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Yeah, well, we'll find a time and a place to
talk about cricket, because we know that people love talking
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Speaker 5 (44:19):
Yeah, get them to getting the site up to the
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The Black Cats leap up the second on the World
Test Championship. Does a two year old series wouldn't feel
like the season is over? Before Christmas? And soul searching
the English campus their fans spend big for a Nash's
Christmas holiday. Surely the hilly criticism must play on the
minds of the leaders and the cream of our age
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group talent heads for the Under nineteen World Championships in Zimbabwe.
We'll hear from the coach, have the pleasure of the
company of herald cricket writer and news Talk zemb Voice
and whatever else he does. I think he's a crick
info man as well. Andrew Ordison to join us this morning, Jerry.
So we've got two men who were at the game
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and can review what happened, not only in man Mung
and IRBT in the Test series. Are we feeling that
the summer is over though? Orders you know, that's the
end of it until March the fifteenth does have.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
That field, so it doesn't the morning Jeremy.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
I think, yeah, it always revolves out of the tests
for me, and that's been done and dusted. Now with us,
we Cindy's series went albit he Zeland eventually came to
the party there.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I think.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
They had to work hard at it and it was
hard for victory on the series, but ultimately points on
the board in the World Test Championships and context there.
But then you have to wait till all that time
until what during before the next tests are underway, and yes,
there's going to be the one days and now they
head away for World T twenty and to India for
prelim series, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
But yeah, that just feels right in the heart of
the New Hill and Cricket summer where it should be. Jerry.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
How do you rate the Test Series from an overall
performance point of view?
Speaker 6 (02:36):
Look on, it feels as though it's just the start
of summer, to be honest, proper, the best part of
summer is usually February March, a bit of January perats
late January.
Speaker 7 (02:48):
It's always been that way, and you and I have
been round a lot longer than most.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
So yes, it does feel premature that we've we've wrapped
it up basically and it's white ball cricket from here
on in. I guess that's to do with the World
Cup mainly, But that's a bit of a shame we've
got as far as the tour is concerned.
Speaker 7 (03:11):
What did we gain?
Speaker 6 (03:13):
We gained the Duffy, a third seema coming in for
me and the batting. I don't think we can take
a hell of a lot from it, to be honest,
and we'll know more after the England, India and Australia
two important tours away.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
There aren't there England and Australia big ones.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
So yeah, disappointing that it's come to this sort of
premature end when things were kind of starting.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, all is your writings behind a paywall now, so
a lot of us seem to miss out on that.
How did you see the lessons out of this series.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Well, it's terrible news for you. Look and I think.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
I think that like Jeremy, I think the gain of Duffy,
I mean twenty three wickets at fifteen point four to
three across that series, a five wicket bag in each
of the Tests, and just the ability to toil really
impressed me. I mean, especially with the lack of bowling
death lets at the start. But then we saw him
to Bubba thought Michael Ray was Okazach Folks probably faded
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towards the.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
End of the series.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
But for my mind, when you lose the spearhead in
Matt Henry, you haven't got Willow Rourke nor Kyle Jamison.
What Duffy was able to do there was top notch
and really I guess put in New Zealand to the
forefront of the series. I was pleased Aged Patel got
a run at melmong and Nui and just did a
you know, a workman hike performance got the wickets. He
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needed six wickets for the match. I think from a
one hundred and thirty six it probably as a lieutenant
to Duffy, if you like. With what was happening on
the final day, the batting I agree with Jeremy. Probably
not a lot you could read into it. I mean,
it's still impressive the numbers that Latham and Como to
put together with those two century partnerships in the Third
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Test and the centuries and both in when you can't
argue with that. And I think just New Zealand's decision
to bat I think was bold and paid off in
that Third Test at the Mount with the spin towards
the end, and also just they're able to put the
big tone on the board with five seventy five, but
backed it up with some quick runs for the three
to zero six and the second innings and gave them
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time at the West Indies. So I think it was
a well paced Test from their perspective and they can
take a bit from that. But yeah, it's yeah, we
look forward to those three cracking series now England and
Australia away but India at home, and that's hopefully came.
Winniams is going to be around for that that he's
able to put retirement prospects to one side and be
able to continue it.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
In that regard, Jerry, the stars of the past twelve
months and you've mentioned them both. Jacob Duffy and Matt
Henry as spearheads of the attack. Which one rates higher
from your point of view, because both of them have
been significant contributors, haven't they.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
I think as far as the bowling is concerned, Henry
is still the number one just because of his longevity.
He's a different kind of bowler from Duffy. Duffy is
able to swing the ball, he's taller, he gets more bounce,
so he's not quite as skiddy as Henry. Henry, however,
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has done all the work and I think he would
still be the main bowler leading the attack, if you'll
really want to put it that way. I think also
those other names are very important as regards those next
three tours.
Speaker 7 (06:49):
I think we need to very carefully.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
Look at the way that we lost those players, and
why has Duffy been able to come through and bowl
long as spells seven eight overs and then come back
and still keep the pace up and still be able
to go to a variety of methods to test the batsman.
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I just don't think we got it from the other
bowlers quite to the same extent. Interesting it was that
both Duffy and Ray are seasoned first class performers, they've got,
you know, time behind them, overs behind them, seasons behind them.
Folks didn't have that. He's come from a white ball
background a bit in the a cricket, but looked hooked
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at the end. I also thought he bowled too wide
on the bowl increase, that he should have been in
closer and you don't have to swing it quite so much.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
So I think there are you know, I'm not saying
he's out of it.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
He's a young man and he may need to learn
to hold the batter bit more so that he can
give some runs and supply those in the lower order
as well as his bowling, because I don't think at
one hundred and twenty five to one hundred and thirty
at max he's going to be an open bowler. And
they wanted him to open the bowling because of the
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new ball, so and they feel that there's not much
if the ball isn't new, So that actually compounds a
bit of his issue, I think, as far as agez
Butteller is concerning his inclusion, we got to try and
get a spinner somehow odds and my opinion, I'm not
sure whether you build the whole game around him the
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way that we had to at Towonga and the Mount.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
It was only when the.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
Last day that the pitch started to blat and the
crack started to arrive that he really looked a danger
and then looked as if he was.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
Going to bowl over the wicket for too long.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
He's got to be coming around and beating people in
the air and then turn the ball past the bat.
Speaker 7 (09:02):
That's the job of a left arm spinner.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
And it seems to me that also the arm ball
for a left spinner, a left arm spinner has now
almost disappeared. I thought that would be quite a useful
delivery to have when he came around the wicket.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah. Interesting in as much as we did stretch the
bowling resources, didn't we Or have you been to the
series press conference? Any general thoughts from Rob Walter?
Speaker 5 (09:30):
I think along those lines, particularly just that he was
impressed with how the depth was able to adapt in
those circumstances. He was asked that the Blundle Hay situation,
which I think is another interesting factor from the series,
that Mitch Hay is putting some pressure on there Tom Blundell,
but he's going to stick with Blundle for now, and
of course that does make some sense with how successful
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Blundle was in England last time he was there, I
think too, just from a Rob Walter perspective, a chance
to get outside the shadow of Gary Stead now with
a first first World Test Championship points and outside of
a series against them, babe, and then just the spring
of cricket with all those rain effected games in October November.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
And this is something that you know, meety, that he
can point to on his resume.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
I think I was also impressied just how I could
see him and Tom Latham consulting each other in depth,
sort of looking at the at that pitch like a
couple of art historians looking at Da Vinci's last supper
ahead of the game to see whether they're going to
play a spinner or the pace option in Christian Clark
and I think they got that right.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
So a few ticks and the Rod Bolder column there.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
He was happy with how the batting had unfolded, and equally,
the dialogue continues with Williamson ahead of these upcoming tests,
hoping that he will stay in the Test game.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah, Jerry, that hay Blundell won is an interesting one,
isn't it? Because you pick on batting ability to some
extend and you look at the teams around the world
batsman to the fore. But is that the prime requirement
batting or is it the ability to keep how good
the keeper is.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
I think you're a keeper first and then you've become
very useful if you can do that adequately. Most of
our bowling tends to be seen based, so you're you're
generally standing back. Although after the carey kind of things
that we've seen in Australia and England, I mean it
may become more of a fashion and a way to
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come up, which is certainly with batsmen like for example Mitchell.
You know, it keeps them at home and it allows
bowlers to bowl a length more consistently rather than change them.
As far as our batting was concerned, Wadds, I think both,
to be honest with you, as far as they, I
think Hay and Blunder will both go to England so
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that there'll be more chance to look at that.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
I think.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
As far as Conway Lathan concerned, Conway, yes, they got
both of them got runs against what was a pretty
mediocre attack. To be honest, I know that well the
last and of course you didn't have roach rawch there
at all, and the rest seals kind of deteriorated. I
felt a bit with his line and length throughout the series.
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Graves as a medium fast bowler. Only Phillips looks dangerous
deliveries occasional ones, but leaks runs in between. And then
Shields didn't play a heck of a lot did he.
But as far as the openers we're concerned. I still
don't think I thought that the defense of qualities of
Conway have gone completely.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
They're still occurring around that sort of leg.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Stump line with one hand coming off the bat and
you can see with the bounce in Australia that may
may be an issue. I don't understand why players and
teams playing against US don't have a batpad those around
the area you know, where you hit the glove and
it goes off the body and it.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
Can go you know, in the air. Lathan pretty similar,
you know, dogged solid lot.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
Conway very good through the off side and the last
Test match looking a top quality player. Williamson not quite
the force that he has been, missing the ball a
little bit more, looked a bit more comfortable when they
were having to bowl wide and could play some shots
Ravendra aggressive cost him a couple of innings in the
in the series in between hit one hundred and seventy
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and runs in the last match as well. Mitchell fairly solid.
So they will be the names we will see. I
don't think there's any doubt about that. The question in
my mind when we get to Australia, which is probably
the key to her I know it's a wee way away,
but do we take six batsmen and not play the
keepers as a sixth, play them as a seven and
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it means that you then have one less bowler. I
think that that's going to be a question mark that
we'll need to sort of discuss.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I think, yeah, interesting staff orders because there's a hell
a lot of time between the next Test and they're
not going to have a lot of first class cricket.
I just to wonder how much the impact of first
class players are going to have on the selection process
further down the line. The likes of Hefe Mariu et cetera,
et cetera, those guys who've performed in the A's and
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are going into the planket shield.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Still barring injury.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
It's hard to see how they have all retirement it's
hard to see how they have any impact, to be honest,
given I think they will just settle for the status
quo from this series, as Jerry mentions here, perhaps taking
Mitch Hagh as well on that tour with with Blundele
to England. I think if there was a retirement with
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Williams such, they'd probably just bring will Young in there.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Rather than maybe op for Mariu or Curtis Heathy, etc.
I think it'll be fairly stable looking ahead.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
They're just trying to think of other Maybe, you know,
if they did bring back a Henry Nichols who has
been prolific with runs but is thirty four now Young
thirty three, So ultimately I mean with a plunket shield
this year, I think anyone could keep putting the runs.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
On the boards regularly.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
It almost becomes sort of a first drop idol in
a way. But maybe it's beyond those series that we're
coming up to in the next year.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Well, we've got white balls to throw in the year now,
so we can play with white balls for two or
three months. Jerry can put your feet up and wait
for the next red ball game by a New Zealand team.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
Yeah, it's going to be a while, isn't it on?
Speaker 6 (15:45):
It just shows how the white ball is kind of devouring,
and that's been a word that's used frequently, isn't it
the red ball game. Let's hope that the tests may
they continue a long time because a lot of people
do feel that that's what they regard as the principal format.
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So where you find out about most of the players
and you find out what their defense is like, you
find out what their attacking abilities, how they solve problems
while the game is going on and they're batting out
in the middle.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
So those.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Are It's the format I prefer. I'm guessing it might
be for both of you as well. But it's not
the format that makes money. So we need to think
of a new way of doing that. I think because
Test cricket, I think it should actually make money, to
be honest. We've just got to find a way of
doing that. So yeah, white ball, Yeah, okay, we can
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live with that for a while, but I'm looking forward
to the next test.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
When we get it.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Brian Waddell Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
The cream of our age group talent is about to
head off to Zimbabwe for the Under nineteen World Cup.
The team, captain by Otago's Tom James, will be coached
by high performance coaches Graham Aldridge and Paul Wiseman, and
headed by former Black Cap Anton Devsitch who joins us
on the front foot and Anton without stats and information
to back the view. Is it the strongest team in
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terms of first class experience we've ever sent to the
world event.
Speaker 8 (17:20):
Yeah, yeah, I'll say you wouldn't be too far from
the truth there. We've had I think we've had five
players over the last well over this season that have
represented their major association unless stay cricket or first first
class cricket. So you know, it's just a good sign
for us that all of our emays and stuff doing
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a really good job at that level where where they're
getting players ready to go a little bit earlier than
what they potentially once have.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Is it basically a package of players that represents what
we've got available at under nineteen in terms of those
who would have attended the under nineteen in christ Church?
Speaker 8 (18:04):
Yeah, yes, So basically we have the d the Das
women in here and chross Church, which we had a
few of them not there because of first class duty
and we also went out to the das throughout the
winter and so it has got to one of the
sorry regarding certain players and whatnot. And we had five
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or six camps during the winter just to get to
know players a little bit better and see what was
gone around the country at that time, and it was
a really good start. We built some good relationships and
found out a lot about some players before the tournament
even started.
Speaker 9 (18:42):
So you know, those tournaments pop around and sometimes.
Speaker 8 (18:48):
The players get a little bit a little bit gun
shy and don't show their true colors. Where we've had
a good six to eight month period where we've got
to know their true colors before this tournament, so we
could see past that a little bit.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah, it comes with a good time too, because our
players are all playing cricket at the moment. Sometimes you
get off season, don't you. But now you've got players
who in the middle of their form.
Speaker 8 (19:11):
Period absolutely, and most of the players are playing a
really high high level of cricket. If they haven't played
first class cricket or the day cricket, the majority of
them are playing NBA level or itago a level and
they're getting heaps of opportunity opportunities through.
Speaker 9 (19:30):
Certain tournaments that them as run.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
A couple of weeks ago there was a big t
twenty m a tournament TAPO which quite a large number
of the guys that have been selected were playing. So
they're consistently playing against men and people of their sort
of of their calibers. So it's really good to put
them up against up against men in particular because the
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caliber of people would be playing the World Cup will
be slightly high, and then what school cricket and stuff
like that would be here.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yeah, that's the interesting thing of course, because you don't
know what you're up against to do you in terms
of the opposite. You may know what sort of conditions
you're going to play and in terms of pitchers and grounds,
but the opposition is an unknown quality for a start off,
isn't it.
Speaker 9 (20:20):
Wow?
Speaker 8 (20:20):
Yes, and that The internet's a wonderful thing and we've
managed to find quite a bit of footage, particularly on
the Asian teams. They've played a large number of games
leading up to this World Cup.
Speaker 9 (20:33):
Some have played thirty plus over the two year cycles.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
So most of those games are on TV and we've
got access to all those through New Zealand cricket and
the work they do. Analysis wise, the Australians England are
the same, so we do have a little bit more
information about them than what we probably did ten to
fifteen years ago.
Speaker 9 (20:54):
So it's just it's just another tool for us to sort.
Speaker 8 (20:57):
Of look into, I guess in terms of when we
get over there, giving the guys as much information as
possible so there's no surprises. Ultimately, we're going to focus
on what you do well as kiwis and it's an
experience for them to to get a taste of what
touring as an international team actually is.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Like, Yeah, and I guess you've got players who've been
to Zimbabwe in the past that you can tap in
on in terms of conditions. We watch from here and
get the feeling that their conditions are pretty similar to
what we play on here.
Speaker 8 (21:32):
Have you been able to gauge that, Yeah, were the
Black Keeps wherever they're not so long ago, so there's
there's been a little bit of feedback regarding that, albeit.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
They may have played play a different grounds is what
we're going to.
Speaker 8 (21:45):
We've got a couple of coaches over there that have
coached in New Zealand, so we do have we do
have some good contacts over there, and we've had some
information regarding the wickets about how they're going to play
in and that that that just that type stuff really,
but ultimately it is going to be a little bit
different to what we do do get here. So that's
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the cool thing about this group that we've got. It's
about them and Justine and they've all got the games
to do it. You know, some of them are playing
in the Target, some of the are playing up in Auckland,
and and they come up against each different conditions as
it is.
Speaker 9 (22:20):
So it's just adapting and trying to put your best
foot forward.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Yeah, I guess you look at them as a squad.
I from the outside have seen some of the players play,
and there's some pretty well performed individuals within your squad,
isn't it?
Speaker 9 (22:35):
Absolutely absolutely?
Speaker 8 (22:37):
And I'd like to think the squad that we've we've
picked there, there isn't really a standout. They come they've
come together really well as a team, and I look
across the whole squad and there's people that can affect
the game, which which is what you want. You don't
want to put too much pressure on on the players
that that that have probably played higher on us. You
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just want them to enjoy the experience and just do
what they what they do for them as so, I'm
relatively confident with a group of really mature group. They're
a lot much mature than what I was when I
was playing in the n Z nineteen stuff. They're just
so much more developed and they've played a high level
of cricket, so it should bide.
Speaker 9 (23:20):
Well, Yeah, do you.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Set a goal for the I mean, everybody wants to
win the tournament, don't they Have you got any initial
goals that you want to set in terms of achievement?
Speaker 9 (23:31):
I mean, you know, the goal is always to win
games of cricket. That's in our DNA.
Speaker 8 (23:37):
But from New Zealand Cricket's point of view, it's because
we don't get the volume and we might not have
the resource that other teams have. It's about, I guess,
giving them the experience and fast tracking them as quickly
as we can in terms of professional cricketers and teaching
them the things that they need to know to be
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a successful first class cricketer first and foremost here in
New Zealand, and hopefully if they do that really well,
they bode well for international cricket. So there's a lot
foundation stuff that we're trying to do, standards and all
that sort of stuff. Where we said it is really
important as KEYWI is that we need to get this
into these sort of standards into the players as young
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as we can so they can play first class cricket
for a long period of time and not just be
one or two season type players.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Yeah, we've been successful at that. I mean, players like
yourself and others have come through and achieved international level
experience and performance. And I guess that's the most important
thing because it is a vital age group level, isn't
it in terms of our future development?
Speaker 7 (24:46):
It is.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
Yeah, And like I said a little bit earlier, there's
so much more mature and advanced as what we were ten, fifteen,
twenty years ago.
Speaker 9 (24:56):
And that's down to the job in New Zealand.
Speaker 8 (24:59):
Cricket doing in terms of, you know, making the mays
accountable and having good structures around these players from an
earlier age. You know, some of these some of these
players that are in this team have been in academies
for three to four years with their their major association
and the people the people that are in those major
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associations are doing good job and trying to I guess,
enhance these players and get them get them fast tracked
as quickly as we can. And on the on the
flip side to it, I guess the one thing that
that we all want to see as people playing a
large volume of cricket and a high level of cricket.
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And there's more school teams playing in senior senior men's
competitions around the country at the moment, particularly your bigger skills,
and from my point of view, it's a it's a
really good test for them and that's probably.
Speaker 9 (25:55):
One of the main reasons why they are so advanced.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
And do you need players with all round experience because
we've only got fifteen and you come across a pitch
that might be a very good pitch on day one,
but the block might get used to three, four or
five times. You need another type of cricketer, a spinner
or a receiver or whatever to fill your side. So
you've got to have players that cover all eventualities.
Speaker 9 (26:22):
Yeah. Yeah, we're basically a selection the selection sort.
Speaker 8 (26:26):
Of criteria that we've gone through as you would for
an international tour. You know, they've got their formulas on
how many you know, seemas that we need for a
tool like this, or how many spinners would likely take
on an international tour, and how many rounders, how many batters,
what could keepers, et cetera. So it's been a pretty
robust selection sort of I guess criteria or selection style
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that we've gone through, which has been really good learning
from my point of view, just to see that how
in depth New Zealand Cricket actually goes into selecting these
tour teams. It's not just them pick them out of
the hat and whoever's playing best sort of gets in.
It's you've got to cover basis and and the thing
that we picks no different to that.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
You've got a couple of experience mates to help you
out to Graham Albridge that you've probably played with and
Paul Wiseman who's been the high performance coach for a
period of time, and they are going to be invaluable
for you in terms of the development of these players.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (27:29):
I mean Graham Auders have played with for fifteen years
and I know him well and how he operates and
he's the perfect man for this age group of cricketers.
He can he can adapt to to sort of their style,
and you know, there's there's parts of it where you've
got to be compassionate for them because they're learning, and
you've got to give them. You give them a hug
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one day and a slightly difficult message message the next.
And he's you know, he's done it for a long
period of time now with New Zealand cricket, and so
too is Paul Wiseman. Paul Wiseman, he is he's kind
of the godfather of this sort of this area in
New Zealand cricket. When I first turned the amount of
players that he knew and knew about, I was really
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surprised and amazed. And he does a really good job
and trying to be across as many cricketers as you can.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
You've got a fairly big CV. Did you ever end
up playing in Zimbabwe? I've been there a few times
and I'll tell you what, they're very hospitable and very
sociable people. They will look after you.
Speaker 9 (28:31):
Yes, No, there was.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
Honestly, that's probably one of the places that I haven't been. Zimbabwe.
Got a couple of mates, a couple of coaches, Trevor
Penny and a few others that I've cross path with
over the years and they told me.
Speaker 9 (28:46):
Wonderful things about Zimbabwe.
Speaker 8 (28:48):
So I'm really looking forward to you know, there's something
new and we'll enjoy ourselves over there. We will experience
the culture as much as as much as we can.
But yeah, I'm really looking forward to it, and I
know I know the team where we've only we've only
got to wait a few more, few more days.
Speaker 9 (29:05):
We've gone the second of January, so look forward to it.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
You're out pretty quick and I think you warm up
games are at Queen's Club in Bulaweo.
Speaker 9 (29:14):
Yes, yeah, we've got a couple. We've got a couple
of games, warm up games, which is really good.
Speaker 8 (29:18):
We're going a little bit earlier than what the ICC
sort of the part that they take over.
Speaker 9 (29:24):
We're going to bed a week early.
Speaker 8 (29:26):
And you see Cricket have got us over there so
we can just get a few more days of preparation,
which is great.
Speaker 9 (29:33):
We don't have to rush into it over there.
Speaker 8 (29:34):
We can let the boys get over the gym lag
and do all the right things from a professional side
of things, and once those games start will make we'll
make good progress.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Well and ton we look forward to seeing you at
the final and the sixth of February with good performances
behind you, which you are all the very best, and
hope things go according to plan for you.
Speaker 9 (29:56):
Thanks very much, look forward to it.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Thanks Anton. And I suppose from one point, Jerry, you've
got to be proud as a grandfather that your grandson's
leading the side. But a different era, isn't it in
a different challenge for a young player.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
Oh yes, he's a good boy, Tom. He's had the game,
you know, a long time now, all his life.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Really, he's a thoughtful boy and he's he's looking forward
to He was there last year, didn't do quite so
well and he's keen to rectify all that this time.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
They've lost I think a spinner just in the last
day which will hurt them.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
I think a leg spinner who's got injured with a
backstress fracture.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
I think so that's a bit of a blow. They play.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
I think there are four groups, sex groups something like.
There are quite a few teams wads. I know New
Zealand play the US USA first. I'm not sure they
might play Bangladesh as well in the lead up, and
then they sort of filter into a sort of a
super eight, don't they.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah, well I've got India to play as well, so
that it would be a tough one for them, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Yeah, So two would go through from that group. New
Zealand obviously would like to be amongst that.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
In the past, under nineteen players and allers have come
through into the Test match arena, and you know, we
could name a whole lot of them, but it is
as important, I think as the a program that New
Zealand producers now because you know, this is the this
is the real development stage that we've got to put
a lot of effort into, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (31:41):
It is.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
And I've followed nine teams with quite some degree of
interests over the years, having been a liaison officer for
the Canadian team actually at the two thousand and two event,
I might add back in the day, and that was
a fascinating experience seeing it up close. And yeah, you've
seen well the likes and I suppose Kane Williamson to
the Trent Bolt, all these players have come through those
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ranks and eventually ended up in the Test game.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
It can be the be a few hiccups as well.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
I think I seem to record he's getting beaten by
Paul maybe or at one stage a few years back
where the best memory country at that level, there's not
always the video analysis I suppose that you need before
you go away to such tournament because people coming onto
the scene for the first time Zimbabwe and the Ybia.
That'll be a fascinating adventure for those chaps over there.
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I would have thought as well, just going into an
unfamiliar environment and I'm fascinated the seeming. Obviously, Tom is
probably the highest profile player in former head boy at
Auckland Grammar, et cetera, is to leading the team and
now with a targo as to how he goes, I've
watched a few.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Videos of him, a couple of interviews as well.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
He speaks well, so he's certainly a player of some
profile at less than those ranks coming through And yeah,
just it's always great to see those younger players making
their way in the world of cricket and seeing I
guess how their careers unfold after this.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cony on the front foot.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
If Test cricket isn't making money in Australia, there's something wrong.
Because they had about one hundred and fifty thousand. I
think at the Adelaide Test, and there's poems coming from
far and wide to have a Christmas holiday with nothing
to play for all, because while they played some good
cricket during that series, they were generally woeful in the
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important areas, weren't they.
Speaker 9 (33:34):
England.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Let me just take a really deep breath. Yeah, I
mean that was just I'm just I'm still thinking that,
Harry Brookshott. I mean, I just think for such a
talented player, it just absolutely guts me that someone can
perform that shot in against the bowler of Lyons experience
and it probably symbolizes the serious me. I mean, they
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have played some good cricket, but you know it's over
inside eleven days, and that's really if you're investing your
money to go out to Australia, you want more than that.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I mean, having said that, you mentioned about the crowds.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
The contrast, I was disappointed with the bay Oval crowd
just you know, you're really they were struggling to fill
the embankments there over a few days and you looked
at it and compared it to add Lady and that
was absolutely pumping people just standing and just roaring appreciation
for the Test game, which is just all what I'm about.
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And I think that in the end, I mean, England,
they put together that showing on the last day, but
it was not enough and I.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Think probably an underprepared lack of application.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
It just feels like they took it too casually. But
maybe it's just me observing from AFAR. Australia was licking
their lips for that, and I think you really need
to be more adaptable rather than too ideological or dogmatic
with your approach to Test cricket. You need to be
able to be pragmatic and just as you go in
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a Test series, and you know, even day to day
in Test match cricket. But the mcullum knows this, Ben
Stokes must know this as well, and I just wonder
how they'll change from here all the series is gone.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah, we'll both say they want to stay on, but
that's out of their hands. McCullum admits that he didn't
always get it right. But you know we've talked about
it previously, Jerry, haven't we They're just too one dimensional
England when you cannot play cricket and that one dimensional fashion.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
No, it's a multi dimensional game, and thank Heavens, it is,
and you adapt to what's in front of you and
the situation, and you might have to work jolly hard
to get through an hour and a half's cricket, and
suddenly the pitch starts to change and the bowlers get
a little tired, the ball gets a bit more soft,
and the game actually changes, and then you get the
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opportunity and all the hard work you've put in and
you might only be on fifteen not out.
Speaker 7 (35:59):
Who cares. Then they're still there to do the job
you're you're asked.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
To perform, and we didn't see that at all, and
that's where the idology ideology that you're talking about has
taken over and they lose wickets during those difficult periods.
I felt they were only ever ahead once in the
series of the three matches, and that was in Perse
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when they bowled Australia out and they were about one
hundred to two something like that ahead, and they had
an opportunity to put the foot down and be solid
and build the beginnings and make.
Speaker 7 (36:37):
It much more difficult.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
I thought they were always behind in the other two
matches and just trying to really hang on and get
back and then they would play a slightly loose shot
when they did get a partnership going, and.
Speaker 7 (36:50):
That was the end of it. So they were well behind.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
They weren't used to the intensity, and they didn't have
that multi layered approach to the game. They didn't have
a spinner who bowls for his county. They didn't have
a wicket keeper who wicket keeps for his county. They
didn't have an opening bowler that opens the bowling for
his county. That's how much they've changed the way that
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they approach the game. They've gone for attributes alone and
it hasn't worked.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
All us put your thinking cap on. Do you see
McCallum surviving as coach?
Speaker 5 (37:27):
Who are hard to see given just basically, if I'm
going to play the ball, not the man, I mean
just the way England revere the ashes, and I mean
maybe Stokes would survive as Kevin, but given how much
he's been linked, you know, the double helix approach to
this whole dasball for one of a better term approach
(37:50):
to the game.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I just think of it. They so tended to that
that and so far down the track, and the.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Series has lost before the last two games in Melbourne
and Sydney.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
The ashes is everything that's folks like.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Even when England are in New Zealand for Test matches
last year, you know, questions in press conference is inevitably
turned to the ashes and that's a year out. So
given the focus on that, I think that a change
might be inevitable. And with regard to Brendan but me
he will still be the demand in various other elements
(38:24):
of the game, et cetera. But it's an experiment that
that might they might look back awkwardly on in years
to come.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Jerry, you of anybody knows how hard it is to
win in Australia and you were successful in doing that.
Is it the hardest country to win Test matches? And
we always used to think India was the toughest place
to go to, but New Zealand in recent times has
proved that that is a fallacy as well.
Speaker 7 (38:49):
Yeah, it has been wise, That's right, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
And they've been picking India have been picking some rather
strange sides recently with sort of three batsmen and four
all rounders and a couple of seams. I mean, it's
there's certainly some experimentation going on which is fine. It's
just a question of how does it work, and that's
why some of these older ways, let's put it that way.
(39:13):
The more it kind of ways to select sides and
so on works a bit better I think over time.
Otherwise we'd be doing it a lot more than we
have been. Australia is a tough place to tour. The heat, hot,
the bigger grounds, the hard grounds, the hard.
Speaker 7 (39:36):
Nature of pittures, the bounce.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
You do need to prepare yourself in my opinion, and
the preparation was inadequate as far as England were concerned.
To go from a low bounce pitch one that didn't again,
that didn't matter. That's not the way to start against
the intensity I mentioned a moment ago is just absent
(39:59):
and I just feel we should learn from that very
very clearly before we go to Australia and find time
to play against an Australian A team or a state side.
Speaker 7 (40:12):
I remember back to that that I'm not suggesting out.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
It was perfect, but we had a two day game
up north for a while, we got a start and
then we went to Adelaide where all our batsmen got runs.
It was a draw, but we had a four day game.
It lasted four days. We got runs, Crow got two hundred.
Those sort of things we got people into form. Bowlers
had to go bowl a spell, go off into the heat,
(40:38):
stand out, stand out there, chase hard, get the throw back,
then come back for a second and a third spell.
Those are the things you need to go through and
feel what it's like and run off as run off
the outground and then onto the pitch, you know, and
feel that in your feet and how hitting it hard
(41:00):
like that, what it's like. You need to build up
those overs in the legs. You need to get hot,
you know, and recover all those things. We went finally
to the game where we played the actual first Test
and the Gabba that's where we played our last four
day game, right beside the pitch where we were going
to be playing on in the first Test, and we
(41:21):
ended up getting five hundred and fifty there in the
first innings.
Speaker 7 (41:24):
It helped. It certainly helped. And we were in our.
Speaker 6 (41:27):
Changing room where we knew where the hotel. Everything was
kind of comfortable and we worked hard to do that.
So yeah, I think that that's the sort of build
up that New Zealand need because we don't have the
range of players to select from. We've got to give
those players who are our best players the chance to
(41:49):
absorb those conditions, learn how to you know, to handle
the deliveries again. Make a mistake, go away and learn
about it, come back again and have another go. So
those are the sorts of things we need to do
before we start to play Australia again.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
It's a different quality and an intensity.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Well, the Test match series is over, we've got white
ball cricket to follow, as we talked about a little earlier.
And Jerry, it's it's time for Christmas shopping. You have
you done an your Christmas shopping?
Speaker 6 (42:23):
I'm in the car wads very close to Mount Eden
shops and guess where I'm going. You know this is
about at them all about sort of fourteen books I've
got to buy at some point, and then a few
Christmas cards and maybe a little note inside it. That's
that's a pretty dull present, I've got to say. But
that's all I've had time for.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Frankly, Yeah, all of us is still doing crickets, So
you haven't done yours or all this earlier.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, I'm relying quite heavily on center.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
I must say at this point to really pull his
weight before I get home, Otherwise it could be a
few pressy cards and other voucher type vouchers.
Speaker 7 (43:03):
Yeah, good call.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Yeah, I'm relying very heavy.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
I hope that guy the north pole is really rolling
his sleeves up.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Yeah, I'm relying very heavily on my wife. I'm sure well,
she'll do the right thing.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Anyway, guys, thanks very much for the contributions to this program,
Jerry right throughout the year, and Andrew Orderson handing you
on for a while. Orders we just remedy that at
some stage and wish you all the very best, and
thank you for warming yourself up in the car listening
to Rob Walters press conference.
Speaker 6 (43:43):
All right, yeah, all right, all right, wads and olders
have a happy time and all our listeners of course, yeah,
you have a happy Christmas as well, and enjoy your
time with your families and so on.
Speaker 7 (43:54):
That would be great, And we'll be back to you.
Speaker 6 (43:58):
Presumably Waddles are task master everybody, so we'll be back
next year.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
I guess what.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Yeah, well, we'll find a time and a place to
talk about cricket, because we know that people love talking
cricket and I'm sure they'd love to hear from your orders.
I'm just putting in a plug for all the listeners
who are going to say, oh, get all the on
more often.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
Yeah, get them to getting the site up to the
Herald was that's the spirit, that's my Christmas, that's my
Christmas present.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Plug plug from you.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
On that A good buck to the company, Wall and.
Speaker 7 (44:33):
Kids fit out a summer for more from news talks.
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