September 5, 2025 • 19 mins
In this Father’s Day special, Leigh and Matt talk to former all black Ali Williams about life, Springboks rivalry and Leigh’s Uncle Henk who attaches jumper leads to his testicles.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
This is an iHeartRadio New Zealand podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Games Ruling. Wow, I'll tell you you can't beat the
sound of vinyl, can you? He's early gone?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
That's what they say. Apparently.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Hey, welcome to another episode of Pay to Talk, and
a very special episode today with a very special guest.
It is the Rugby Father's Day Special and who better
to join us today.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Than the one and only Ellie Williams. How are you mate?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Good leads? How are we? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Look, before we get to ahead of ourselves, here a
bit of admin from last week. A lot of you
would have noticed that we didn't have a podcast last week.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That's cause we forgot, forgot to do it.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
And it's surprised actually just how often that happens in
the podcast will.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
It certainly does you know one minute you're doing a
podcast and you forget you're supposed to be doing one.
I remember waking up and seeing all the camera gear there,
you know, the equipment and all the audio something.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
What the heck's that about? Then I realized, of.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Course we were supposed to be doing a podcast the
day before. But as I say, these things happen, and
we won't dwell and let's move along We've got a
great show today.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
They do easy mistakes make but we're here this week
and a great guest.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Fantastic, decent old drive. When you're here, how magical, right,
And of.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Course it's not your first time up here. You've stayed
here before.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
I think one long weekend about a year ago, and
had a bit of an issue with a septic tank.
I told you you know about the flushing situation, and yeah,
I should.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
Have floaded down in the and then mothership done in Auckland.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
But we call blowback, I think they call it in
the old septic tank.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Did Le do what he does to me and just
actually leave it to do list and it turns into
a bit of a working be to scrub out the
scrub out the spar pole and get a new axle
on the caravan.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
I think the whole septic tank thing is actually were
at working be. Actually it was in there cleaning it
and not a nice place. I can just say, personally
hygien issues, you probably need to address them.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well, but that's the word.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Anyone could agree that lee septic tank is probably not
gonna be a nice place, is it?
Speaker 5 (02:24):
That was that was potentially one of the working titles
for this podcast, Lee aren't sceptic Tank, but I digress. Look,
I tell you I just going back to the vinyl
then that you would have heard that that was one
of my originals.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
It's been put out on vinyl. Now sounds a bit rough,
but it's.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Great to hear it. Are you into your vinyl? Are
you into your vinyl sound?
Speaker 6 (02:41):
There's nothing like a little bit of vinyl. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm I don't know if I'd go and buy that one,
but you everye on different strokes, different folks.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah. I had been a messure with my vinyl. I
might have mentioned a few weeks back.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
I left them all on the back of a car,
you know, and the you know, they melt all the
records melted down into a big sort of lumper.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
You know, I was going to say plastic.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
You know, almost like a big look like a sort
of lego, you know, the whole sort of thing. And
they're so good gem and it's hard to turn that
back into the original record again and getting that the
right Topey, This is why you're on the show, you see,
This is this is why that's why we got your details.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah. Another tip for those people that are into the
vinyl of the records.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
I had a bit of an issue with my dishwasher
a few weeks back, with a Melee dishwasher. They came
in and replaced it with a really good one, you know,
a replacement.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We're going to take the old one away.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
I said, leave it here, leave it here, because it
was only the heat pump that was wrong with that
was still washing during the cold wash.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So what I use that for now is my vinyl collection.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
I washed them in that and I can leave them
in their alphaetic glad all the records, you know, and
just wash them when I need it, just leave it
by the record player, get the record out in your bang.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
You straight on.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I'm not sure how many podcasts you've done with ALIAS.
I'm not sure that easier to talk about your vinyl collection,
your Melee dishwasher.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
You're scrubbing your.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Topic.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
What I can offer the the's pretty limited.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Time time is money, and look we are here. We
are going to be covering a lot of topics in depth.
On that note, do you want to do poos? Anyone
anyone needs to do poos or kind of?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
But I was late and then you said I couldn't
have to come.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Just keep it moving, keep it moving.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
But at the risk of dating this, you know, show
before it even you know, goes to where big game
this weekend, Big All Black game. We're talking about the
spring Box All Blacks at eden Park, something you're no
stranger to, probably less familiar to you, Matt Alie.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
How many games? Is it fifty odd tests since we've
lost Eden Park.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Off?
Speaker 6 (04:46):
Test ninety four was when they their last lost. I
think it was to the French. Yeah, it's a pretty
special place, you know. And there at eden Park, he's
labeled at the Fortress, yep, and he's really come to
come to terms of the things cropped down on it.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
So I've got some good feelings about this.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
I think this test natural regardless of it was going
to be played. It's a spring Box All Blacks, both
coming off a lost recently, so it's going to be
an epic test match anyway. But this Fortress aspect of
eden Park aspect, that's what I want to ask you about.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Psychologically.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
How much does it help and does it get to
a stage where it starts to perhaps become counter productive
too much pressure?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
I think playing at eden Park is a spectacle for
both the fans and the players, and I think it's
probably the loudest the place gets.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
It's a fortress.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
You're about to go out there, you're in the changing room,
just say you are going to be paying this game,
you know, and that you're heading a lost to eating
back for fifty fifty matches. Is that talked about among
the team beforehand.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Or it's not talked about. Definitely not talked about. But
the reality behind it is as you say, you know,
Eden Park is special to both all kiwis and it's
revered around the world as a place to play rugby,
and I think for the players themselves it's a challenge,
but it's also a responsibility and comes responsibility as there's
two ways to look at it.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
You either look at it as a full full blonde burden.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
We look at his excitement to get up and have fun.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Look, I might just send drub you there. Hey, do
you need tires? You've got to go to hyper Drive.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
The largest measure tires online.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, sort on the website.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
The details catch this game pretty big, being compared up
there with some of the bigger games, World Cup Finals
and whatnot. Do we need to be running some sort
of vetting process on caterers chefs leading into this one.
There's a bit of a chick had passed around that.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Actually good point.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
You've been bringing up the quality of being able to
get a beer that is done for no.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I just been Whoevers making the food for the all blacks,
making sure there's no.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah, yeah went down.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
I saw a few lads yesterday and they stepped it
up there. There are nicer hotels, Security is everything, so
those boys are well looked after, so I know the.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Food food should be all right as well.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
So at two play one hundreds game this year and
you talk this week and you talk about that emotional element, well,
you know, you put on a on a on a
leader like.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
That with the pressure there. This is old school.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
There's other thing.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
I was going to say, Okay, there's pressure on South Africa.
Of course they haven't won there before, this pressure on
us to defend that, so maybe that's canceling itself out.
Then you've got things like that, there's one hundredth game,
Adi severe. I always seem to recall and I'm God
touch what. I'm not trying to heck anything. But you know,
when we put too much pressure on it. So and
so's last test match, or it's so and so it's
(07:37):
a hundred test match.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
You can overcook it.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
The emotion can perhaps get too much, and a game
like that's against South Africa, discipline is going to be huge.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Right Yeah, well okay, like this is controlling the emotion.
You have emotion, but you've got to control it, and
you control it so that then you're not making those
errors and as you say, the discipline, and we're probably
not tracking that well with discipline. Very hard for me
to sit here and comment too much on the rugby.
I don't watch a lot of it. Yeah, but you know,
when a game like this comes around, I think everyone
(08:06):
comes out of the woodwork.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
I've actually got a goot.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
A good friend we all know, and Andrew, who is
actually making the trip up.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
So it's probably the first I.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Think he's speaking, isn't he Isn't he must?
Speaker 6 (08:18):
Yeah? Yeah, this would be the last time I'll be
speaking coherently this week, given give.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
My company that I'll be keeping.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
You've obviously got some pretty good fond memories of Edon Park.
I've got a memory from there was a penalty about
five meters out I think you were sort of see
in the field and I think you tapped it, kicked
it to the corner.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
How that got that? That show?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Is that the sort of flamboyant play the all back
this weekend?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Or do you give it in tight?
Speaker 5 (08:45):
No?
Speaker 6 (08:45):
That was a definite hero to zero moment that one.
If that had gone rastically wrong, then we were China
play rugby.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Was there any feedback from the coaches but there was.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
There was some coarse language as the ball was in
the air and then as the ball was in Dougie's
hand and touchdown, it was may you're a legend, blah
blah blah. So no, I got the full rundown around
the coaches and how that all work? Yeah, will be
rock solid, mate, This is a forwards game, this one
on the weekend. I think the first half will be
very boring, but it'll be pretty classic to watch and
(09:18):
it'll be you know, it'll be it'll be buggish, which.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Is going to be. That's I mean, that's what we're
all wanting for and.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
The likes of that's the first five there with us
South Africa. The Pollard Pollard.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Obviously he's going to make rugby knowledge.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Yeah, exactly, so he'll be nailing his kicks obviously. Yeah,
I think it is is me. I think he might
starting is it between the three of us?
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I think there's rugby a bullshit?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Should we take it back in the secret tent, Let's
go back to Vinyl and.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Just finally on the rugby. I mean, just you know,
we we missed the podcast last week. That's not going
to happen to rugby.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
You're not going to be getting a phone call from
Ted on a Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Going where the hell were you? And you you won't
be going, Oh ship? Was that today?
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
You know? That's that doesn't happen that level.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
With the Leasha's around the next pull you along like
a like a little sheep, and they know today was it? Sorry?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I don't know if you've been invited because apparently Lee's
having a bit of a party you sort of kick
off kick ons or whatever I have personally been.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
You've been invited to the after party.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Had definitely been about it.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
I can actually tell you a little story after I
think it was after one All Blacks game. We had
a few mates and there's close connections here, friends, older friends,
and I actually turned up at Lee's house when because
you're right right by and had a few had a
few beers, it was kind enough to give us a
few few beers, So.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Thank you for the coffin has them lying around On
that note of that thought, yes, you know a lot
of people come up to me in the street and say, hey, Lee,
you look like you've had a couple, but hey, you're
looking great.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
How do you do it? Well, I'll tell you it's
with wacked changy locub. Have I lost any weight?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Not really, but maybe I had been drunk enough yet
whacked hagy Loco tell.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Him I send you.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
That's shaken up? About that one?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Terry, I actually ms, stop you there, make a quick break,
can be back very shortly?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Jeezu really really crow by that one and nearly well
you go.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
To nowadays, Matt, someone's got to pay for the show. Hey, look,
before we get off the rugby topic. In general, you're
more of a spectator, and obviously with rugby, what are
your thoughts of the game? How can the game change
or improve? You know, for spectators? What's passing you off
about rugby at the moment?
Speaker 4 (11:41):
M Yeah, look, I'm sort of cross at the moment.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
I genuinely don't think that it's a game that spectators
have been considered when when watching it.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I think in terms of standards and.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
What's on the field, I think the guys are getting
better and better, which is which is always what we want.
But you know what life is actually about entertaining. You know,
life is actually about fun. Life is actually about looking
at the lighthearted stuff on the field. We all know
that the guys will do everything they can. But you know,
for me, it's like be one thing to a group
(12:14):
of people and anchor down at that. Look at the UFC,
look at all those other sports that are just they
are that what they are, and people love them and
other people don't like them. It's a bit like you
and I. Right, there's some people out there that like us.
Other people out there just don't like us. So we
don't want to waste our times trying to get the people.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
That don't like us.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
I mean speaking jumping here, I think I think this
guy thinks everyone likes them.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
But guy, that drives me fucking yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
I likewise a man of people bummed in that said,
Mali Williams, you're not getting him on the podcast, hope not.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I said, you know, I.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Get the same guy.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Actually once, I actually once was in the back in
the my local school and we were playing football with
these young kids and I thought, look, I'll play a
bet and this young kid walks up to me and goes.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
You know what, my dad thinks you suck.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
I was like, oh, that's great. What do you think
He goes, yeah, I think you sucked too, And I
was like, well, what's the point of it? So which
one's your dad?
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Guy?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
That's me.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Just to shoehold myself back and if I could. Matt
for a moment, we were talking about music, et cetera.
I mean, you used to listen to music before games,
of course with the headphone system kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
What did you listen to?
Speaker 4 (13:31):
I actually listened every game. I listened.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Last last song I listened to before I went out
there was eminem you got shot right, and it just
realigned me. Told me I was back into the and
the cauldron and the factors. You know, every game could
be a last one, but every game has also got
an opportunity to do something different.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
So yeah, it was amazing because I suppose in the
modern area they had their headphones that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Everybody listened to their own music.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
Came from Jonahlone, you know, and he had jonaphones and
so we we all aggressed. Even big tall white guys
had jonaphones. Didn't look because as Joyah wearing them.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
But I remember my my uncle Hank, Hank, Hank, Hank,
Hank with a hank.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
He was one of the first people to listen to
music before a big match. You know.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
He played for West Coast and he used to have
the the record player that's what the ba the phone
and then changing rooms, you know, before before a match,
because that's all they had in those days. You couldn't
have your own music, so everyone used to have to
listen to what he was listening to, and that used
to piss a lot of people off. He played for
a while and then obviously spent quite a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Of time in them back in the sexies.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Of course, it doesn't remind me of my great great uncle.
He wasn't Hank, he was Hank Hank.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, so this wasn't Hank, it was Hank.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
He was he might as Hank Hank. This is your
direct uncle. This was quite a distant uncle for mine.
So he's the name Hank doesn't really run. But he
was a great uncle, I suppose Hank. But Hank Hank
or Hank Hank.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
He spent time, as as I mentioned, up and Nam
and for quite a while, two weeks with jump leads.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
On his testicles.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Oh wow, in the army of the prisoner of war
or something.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
No, no way, any mean.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Sort of tortured with jump it's on holiday. It's more
like I don't enough for you'd call it more sort
of sexterism. Yes, texterism, I suppose, so you know that'd
put jump leads honestly, I mean that alone, even if
you don't have electric charge going through them, is full
on enough. But the interesting thing about this, a lot
(15:34):
of people don't know this. If you end up with
jumper leads on your testicles for long enough, what he
fogd about, no, what he found out, your testicles can
end up holding a charge.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
You know. So in a way, even when he left Vietnam,
he would come back here.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
If someone had a fat battery in a car or something,
he could sometimes jump start their car from his testicles.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So you just put the positive and.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
The negative, and then you put the positive jump lead
and the negative one on your positive testicle and your
negative testical a lot of people don't know that you
actually do have positive and a negative testicle. Yeah, I
think the positive one is the one that hangs lower,
or maybe that's a negative.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I don't know. It doesn't really matter.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
But what eveens If you get them around the wrong way, we.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
End up probably sucking the power out of the batch
you into your testicles again, and you don't want that.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
You certainly don't want that.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
But they used to call them tesla testes.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yes, they used to call them. They used to call
them tesla testes.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
But look, I think we've digressed somehow, and I don't
know how.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
We do it.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Yeah, we'll take a break and be back very shortly.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
And we're back on five four three and we're live soon.
As to bring it back sport.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
If I could out common knowledge when you're not a yes,
who bad?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
It's going pretty good. Right.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
We're messing one key ingredient, but we'll get there. Can
you help me? What is that goalie? No streaking, No,
it's off field part of the entertainment, but of humor.
But a brand presence chips, that's what Okay, that's what
we're missing.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Right, I'll speak.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
So let's if you know someone knows that Snacker Chang
Chang Chang brain brand, I'll speak something about that.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Let's anchor in on that.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I think, what a great idea, Ellian. Why not get
that advertising started now?
Speaker 5 (17:21):
They said it couldn't be done Snacker changy prawn cocktail
chips that I'm back on.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
The market, beautiful, tell them I center how exciting.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
For example, and understand, so there's a woman AFC is happening,
but there's been a.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Delayed unfortunately unfortunately, but we've just launched our development program
for the girls and that's that's started off actually last
week and the girls girls are getting there. We've got
a lot of talent here, especially with Yeah, I've.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Been on the website. There's so much sort of going on.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
There's news.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
So how much is of your energy? I suppose are
you put into that? Because it's pretty exciting.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
Yeah, look, I'm putting a fair bit. And the reality
is that's probably bigger picture energy in terms of how
how we can challenge the Norman and do things like that.
That's it's exciting given those opportunities. But you know, it's
just cool to see Auckland thriving. The energy and people
talking about it and and there's those pathways that creative
for young kids. So you too answered decent question because
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sort of I'm.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Still I'm still got the mental image of testicle getting
a charge from a tesla.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
I'm just worried about how many people again to you
leave this podcast after listening and go home and and
put jumb leads on the.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Test Is it the new sort of ice bath?
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Yes, we're going to reverse.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
I wouldn't want to do it. I mean because that
you're really starting to double down on it. Then you
know in many ways.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
Now, gentlemen, I love both of you, with with with everything,
but given that this is a paid TV paid what
do you call it?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
The paid podcast? And you can pay me.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
I've actually had to catch the bus up here, and
my timetable was.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Before you go. As you well know, this is our
father's say special you're a father. What would you want
for father? Say? What makes a perfect father?
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Say for you lying in bed, yep eggs, shipload of
bacon and being in bed just chilling with your kids.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Say that, I'll get a You know a lot of
people come up to me in the street and say, hey, Ley,
it's father's say you're a father, What would you want
for Father's say, well, I tell you.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I show them that you care with bacon.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Hell is bacon perfect in a bacon buddy or a
bacon breakfast? Tell him, I said, Jam, that is it?
Was it the Hank story?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
You well call you you.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I think it was the Hank story.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I think we're quite well. I think we lost them
at the septic tank.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I think got bored of the rugby, Jam
This is an iHeartRadio New Zealand podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Games Ruling. Wow, I'll tell you you can't beat the
sound of vinyl, can you? He's early gone?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
That's what they say. Apparently.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Hey, welcome to another episode of Pay to Talk, and
a very special episode today with a very special guest.
It is the Rugby Father's Day Special and who better
to join us today.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Than the one and only Ellie Williams. How are you mate?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Good leads? How are we? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Look, before we get to ahead of ourselves, here a
bit of admin from last week. A lot of you
would have noticed that we didn't have a podcast last week.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That's cause we forgot, forgot to do it.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
And it's surprised actually just how often that happens in
the podcast will.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
It certainly does you know one minute you're doing a
podcast and you forget you're supposed to be doing one.
I remember waking up and seeing all the camera gear there,
you know, the equipment and all the audio something.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
What the heck's that about? Then I realized, of.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Course we were supposed to be doing a podcast the
day before. But as I say, these things happen, and
we won't dwell and let's move along We've got a
great show today.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
They do easy mistakes make but we're here this week
and a great guest.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Fantastic, decent old drive. When you're here, how magical, right,
And of.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Course it's not your first time up here. You've stayed
here before.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
I think one long weekend about a year ago, and
had a bit of an issue with a septic tank.
I told you you know about the flushing situation, and yeah,
I should.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
Have floaded down in the and then mothership done in Auckland.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
But we call blowback, I think they call it in
the old septic tank.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Did Le do what he does to me and just
actually leave it to do list and it turns into
a bit of a working be to scrub out the
scrub out the spar pole and get a new axle
on the caravan.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
I think the whole septic tank thing is actually were
at working be. Actually it was in there cleaning it
and not a nice place. I can just say, personally
hygien issues, you probably need to address them.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well, but that's the word.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Anyone could agree that lee septic tank is probably not
gonna be a nice place, is it?
Speaker 5 (02:24):
That was that was potentially one of the working titles
for this podcast, Lee aren't sceptic Tank, but I digress. Look,
I tell you I just going back to the vinyl
then that you would have heard that that was one
of my originals.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
It's been put out on vinyl. Now sounds a bit rough,
but it's.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Great to hear it. Are you into your vinyl? Are
you into your vinyl sound?
Speaker 6 (02:41):
There's nothing like a little bit of vinyl. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm I don't know if I'd go and buy that one,
but you everye on different strokes, different folks.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah. I had been a messure with my vinyl. I
might have mentioned a few weeks back.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
I left them all on the back of a car,
you know, and the you know, they melt all the
records melted down into a big sort of lumper.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
You know, I was going to say plastic.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
You know, almost like a big look like a sort
of lego, you know, the whole sort of thing. And
they're so good gem and it's hard to turn that
back into the original record again and getting that the
right Topey, This is why you're on the show, you see,
This is this is why that's why we got your details.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah. Another tip for those people that are into the
vinyl of the records.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
I had a bit of an issue with my dishwasher
a few weeks back, with a Melee dishwasher. They came
in and replaced it with a really good one, you know,
a replacement.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We're going to take the old one away.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
I said, leave it here, leave it here, because it
was only the heat pump that was wrong with that
was still washing during the cold wash.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So what I use that for now is my vinyl collection.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
I washed them in that and I can leave them
in their alphaetic glad all the records, you know, and
just wash them when I need it, just leave it
by the record player, get the record out in your bang.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
You straight on.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I'm not sure how many podcasts you've done with ALIAS.
I'm not sure that easier to talk about your vinyl collection,
your Melee dishwasher.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
You're scrubbing your.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Topic.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
What I can offer the the's pretty limited.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Time time is money, and look we are here. We
are going to be covering a lot of topics in depth.
On that note, do you want to do poos? Anyone
anyone needs to do poos or kind of?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
But I was late and then you said I couldn't
have to come.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Just keep it moving, keep it moving.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
But at the risk of dating this, you know, show
before it even you know, goes to where big game
this weekend, Big All Black game. We're talking about the
spring Box All Blacks at eden Park, something you're no
stranger to, probably less familiar to you, Matt Alie.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
How many games? Is it fifty odd tests since we've
lost Eden Park.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Off?
Speaker 6 (04:46):
Test ninety four was when they their last lost. I
think it was to the French. Yeah, it's a pretty
special place, you know. And there at eden Park, he's
labeled at the Fortress, yep, and he's really come to
come to terms of the things cropped down on it.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
So I've got some good feelings about this.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
I think this test natural regardless of it was going
to be played. It's a spring Box All Blacks, both
coming off a lost recently, so it's going to be
an epic test match anyway. But this Fortress aspect of
eden Park aspect, that's what I want to ask you about.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Psychologically.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
How much does it help and does it get to
a stage where it starts to perhaps become counter productive
too much pressure?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
I think playing at eden Park is a spectacle for
both the fans and the players, and I think it's
probably the loudest the place gets.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
It's a fortress.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
You're about to go out there, you're in the changing room,
just say you are going to be paying this game,
you know, and that you're heading a lost to eating
back for fifty fifty matches. Is that talked about among
the team beforehand.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Or it's not talked about. Definitely not talked about. But
the reality behind it is as you say, you know,
Eden Park is special to both all kiwis and it's
revered around the world as a place to play rugby,
and I think for the players themselves it's a challenge,
but it's also a responsibility and comes responsibility as there's
two ways to look at it.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
You either look at it as a full full blonde burden.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
We look at his excitement to get up and have fun.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Look, I might just send drub you there. Hey, do
you need tires? You've got to go to hyper Drive.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
The largest measure tires online.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, sort on the website.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
The details catch this game pretty big, being compared up
there with some of the bigger games, World Cup Finals
and whatnot. Do we need to be running some sort
of vetting process on caterers chefs leading into this one.
There's a bit of a chick had passed around that.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Actually good point.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
You've been bringing up the quality of being able to
get a beer that is done for no.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I just been Whoevers making the food for the all blacks,
making sure there's no.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah, yeah went down.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
I saw a few lads yesterday and they stepped it
up there. There are nicer hotels, Security is everything, so
those boys are well looked after, so I know the.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Food food should be all right as well.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
So at two play one hundreds game this year and
you talk this week and you talk about that emotional element, well,
you know, you put on a on a on a
leader like.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
That with the pressure there. This is old school.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
There's other thing.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
I was going to say, Okay, there's pressure on South Africa.
Of course they haven't won there before, this pressure on
us to defend that, so maybe that's canceling itself out.
Then you've got things like that, there's one hundredth game,
Adi severe. I always seem to recall and I'm God
touch what. I'm not trying to heck anything. But you know,
when we put too much pressure on it. So and
so's last test match, or it's so and so it's
(07:37):
a hundred test match.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
You can overcook it.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
The emotion can perhaps get too much, and a game
like that's against South Africa, discipline is going to be huge.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Right Yeah, well okay, like this is controlling the emotion.
You have emotion, but you've got to control it, and
you control it so that then you're not making those
errors and as you say, the discipline, and we're probably
not tracking that well with discipline. Very hard for me
to sit here and comment too much on the rugby.
I don't watch a lot of it. Yeah, but you know,
when a game like this comes around, I think everyone
(08:06):
comes out of the woodwork.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
I've actually got a goot.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
A good friend we all know, and Andrew, who is
actually making the trip up.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
So it's probably the first I.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Think he's speaking, isn't he Isn't he must?
Speaker 6 (08:18):
Yeah? Yeah, this would be the last time I'll be
speaking coherently this week, given give.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
My company that I'll be keeping.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
You've obviously got some pretty good fond memories of Edon Park.
I've got a memory from there was a penalty about
five meters out I think you were sort of see
in the field and I think you tapped it, kicked
it to the corner.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
How that got that? That show?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Is that the sort of flamboyant play the all back
this weekend?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Or do you give it in tight?
Speaker 5 (08:45):
No?
Speaker 6 (08:45):
That was a definite hero to zero moment that one.
If that had gone rastically wrong, then we were China
play rugby.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Was there any feedback from the coaches but there was.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
There was some coarse language as the ball was in
the air and then as the ball was in Dougie's
hand and touchdown, it was may you're a legend, blah
blah blah. So no, I got the full rundown around
the coaches and how that all work? Yeah, will be
rock solid, mate, This is a forwards game, this one
on the weekend. I think the first half will be
very boring, but it'll be pretty classic to watch and
(09:18):
it'll be you know, it'll be it'll be buggish, which.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Is going to be. That's I mean, that's what we're
all wanting for and.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
The likes of that's the first five there with us
South Africa. The Pollard Pollard.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Obviously he's going to make rugby knowledge.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Yeah, exactly, so he'll be nailing his kicks obviously. Yeah,
I think it is is me. I think he might
starting is it between the three of us?
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I think there's rugby a bullshit?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Should we take it back in the secret tent, Let's
go back to Vinyl and.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Just finally on the rugby. I mean, just you know,
we we missed the podcast last week. That's not going
to happen to rugby.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
You're not going to be getting a phone call from
Ted on a Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Going where the hell were you? And you you won't
be going, Oh ship? Was that today?
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
You know? That's that doesn't happen that level.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
With the Leasha's around the next pull you along like
a like a little sheep, and they know today was it? Sorry?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I don't know if you've been invited because apparently Lee's
having a bit of a party you sort of kick
off kick ons or whatever I have personally been.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
You've been invited to the after party.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Had definitely been about it.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
I can actually tell you a little story after I
think it was after one All Blacks game. We had
a few mates and there's close connections here, friends, older friends,
and I actually turned up at Lee's house when because
you're right right by and had a few had a
few beers, it was kind enough to give us a
few few beers, So.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Thank you for the coffin has them lying around On
that note of that thought, yes, you know a lot
of people come up to me in the street and say, hey, Lee,
you look like you've had a couple, but hey, you're
looking great.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
How do you do it? Well, I'll tell you it's
with wacked changy locub. Have I lost any weight?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Not really, but maybe I had been drunk enough yet
whacked hagy Loco tell.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Him I send you.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
That's shaken up? About that one?
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Terry, I actually ms, stop you there, make a quick break,
can be back very shortly?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Jeezu really really crow by that one and nearly well
you go.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
To nowadays, Matt, someone's got to pay for the show. Hey, look,
before we get off the rugby topic. In general, you're
more of a spectator, and obviously with rugby, what are
your thoughts of the game? How can the game change
or improve? You know, for spectators? What's passing you off
about rugby at the moment?
Speaker 4 (11:41):
M Yeah, look, I'm sort of cross at the moment.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
I genuinely don't think that it's a game that spectators
have been considered when when watching it.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I think in terms of standards and.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
What's on the field, I think the guys are getting
better and better, which is which is always what we want.
But you know what life is actually about entertaining. You know,
life is actually about fun. Life is actually about looking
at the lighthearted stuff on the field. We all know
that the guys will do everything they can. But you know,
for me, it's like be one thing to a group
(12:14):
of people and anchor down at that. Look at the UFC,
look at all those other sports that are just they
are that what they are, and people love them and
other people don't like them. It's a bit like you
and I. Right, there's some people out there that like us.
Other people out there just don't like us. So we
don't want to waste our times trying to get the people.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
That don't like us.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
I mean speaking jumping here, I think I think this
guy thinks everyone likes them.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
But guy, that drives me fucking yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
I likewise a man of people bummed in that said,
Mali Williams, you're not getting him on the podcast, hope not.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I said, you know, I.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Get the same guy.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Actually once, I actually once was in the back in
the my local school and we were playing football with
these young kids and I thought, look, I'll play a
bet and this young kid walks up to me and goes.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
You know what, my dad thinks you suck.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
I was like, oh, that's great. What do you think
He goes, yeah, I think you sucked too, And I
was like, well, what's the point of it? So which
one's your dad?
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Guy?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
That's me.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Just to shoehold myself back and if I could. Matt
for a moment, we were talking about music, et cetera.
I mean, you used to listen to music before games,
of course with the headphone system kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
What did you listen to?
Speaker 4 (13:31):
I actually listened every game. I listened.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Last last song I listened to before I went out
there was eminem you got shot right, and it just
realigned me. Told me I was back into the and
the cauldron and the factors. You know, every game could
be a last one, but every game has also got
an opportunity to do something different.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
So yeah, it was amazing because I suppose in the
modern area they had their headphones that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Everybody listened to their own music.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
Came from Jonahlone, you know, and he had jonaphones and
so we we all aggressed. Even big tall white guys
had jonaphones. Didn't look because as Joyah wearing them.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
But I remember my my uncle Hank, Hank, Hank, Hank,
Hank with a hank.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
He was one of the first people to listen to
music before a big match. You know.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
He played for West Coast and he used to have
the the record player that's what the ba the phone
and then changing rooms, you know, before before a match,
because that's all they had in those days. You couldn't
have your own music, so everyone used to have to
listen to what he was listening to, and that used
to piss a lot of people off. He played for
a while and then obviously spent quite a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Of time in them back in the sexies.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Of course, it doesn't remind me of my great great uncle.
He wasn't Hank, he was Hank Hank.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, so this wasn't Hank, it was Hank.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
He was he might as Hank Hank. This is your
direct uncle. This was quite a distant uncle for mine.
So he's the name Hank doesn't really run. But he
was a great uncle, I suppose Hank. But Hank Hank
or Hank Hank.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
He spent time, as as I mentioned, up and Nam
and for quite a while, two weeks with jump leads.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
On his testicles.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Oh wow, in the army of the prisoner of war
or something.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
No, no way, any mean.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Sort of tortured with jump it's on holiday. It's more
like I don't enough for you'd call it more sort
of sexterism. Yes, texterism, I suppose, so you know that'd
put jump leads honestly, I mean that alone, even if
you don't have electric charge going through them, is full
on enough. But the interesting thing about this, a lot
(15:34):
of people don't know this. If you end up with
jumper leads on your testicles for long enough, what he
fogd about, no, what he found out, your testicles can
end up holding a charge.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
You know. So in a way, even when he left Vietnam,
he would come back here.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
If someone had a fat battery in a car or something,
he could sometimes jump start their car from his testicles.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So you just put the positive and.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
The negative, and then you put the positive jump lead
and the negative one on your positive testicle and your
negative testical a lot of people don't know that you
actually do have positive and a negative testicle. Yeah, I
think the positive one is the one that hangs lower,
or maybe that's a negative.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I don't know. It doesn't really matter.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
But what eveens If you get them around the wrong way, we.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
End up probably sucking the power out of the batch
you into your testicles again, and you don't want that.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
You certainly don't want that.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
But they used to call them tesla testes.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yes, they used to call them. They used to call
them tesla testes.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
But look, I think we've digressed somehow, and I don't
know how.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
We do it.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Yeah, we'll take a break and be back very shortly.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
And we're back on five four three and we're live soon.
As to bring it back sport.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
If I could out common knowledge when you're not a yes,
who bad?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
It's going pretty good. Right.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
We're messing one key ingredient, but we'll get there. Can
you help me? What is that goalie? No streaking, No,
it's off field part of the entertainment, but of humor.
But a brand presence chips, that's what Okay, that's what
we're missing.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Right, I'll speak.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
So let's if you know someone knows that Snacker Chang
Chang Chang brain brand, I'll speak something about that.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Let's anchor in on that.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I think, what a great idea, Ellian. Why not get
that advertising started now?
Speaker 5 (17:21):
They said it couldn't be done Snacker changy prawn cocktail
chips that I'm back on.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
The market, beautiful, tell them I center how exciting.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
For example, and understand, so there's a woman AFC is happening,
but there's been a.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Delayed unfortunately unfortunately, but we've just launched our development program
for the girls and that's that's started off actually last
week and the girls girls are getting there. We've got
a lot of talent here, especially with Yeah, I've.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Been on the website. There's so much sort of going on.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
There's news.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
So how much is of your energy? I suppose are
you put into that? Because it's pretty exciting.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
Yeah, look, I'm putting a fair bit. And the reality
is that's probably bigger picture energy in terms of how
how we can challenge the Norman and do things like that.
That's it's exciting given those opportunities. But you know, it's
just cool to see Auckland thriving. The energy and people
talking about it and and there's those pathways that creative
for young kids. So you too answered decent question because
(18:20):
sort of I'm.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Still I'm still got the mental image of testicle getting
a charge from a tesla.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
I'm just worried about how many people again to you
leave this podcast after listening and go home and and
put jumb leads on the.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Test Is it the new sort of ice bath?
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Yes, we're going to reverse.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
I wouldn't want to do it. I mean because that
you're really starting to double down on it. Then you
know in many ways.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
Now, gentlemen, I love both of you, with with with everything,
but given that this is a paid TV paid what
do you call it?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
The paid podcast? And you can pay me.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
I've actually had to catch the bus up here, and
my timetable was.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Before you go. As you well know, this is our
father's say special you're a father. What would you want
for father? Say? What makes a perfect father?
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Say for you lying in bed, yep eggs, shipload of
bacon and being in bed just chilling with your kids.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Say that, I'll get a You know a lot of
people come up to me in the street and say, hey, Ley,
it's father's say you're a father, What would you want
for Father's say, well, I tell you.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I show them that you care with bacon.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Hell is bacon perfect in a bacon buddy or a
bacon breakfast? Tell him, I said, Jam, that is it?
Was it the Hank story?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
You well call you you.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I think it was the Hank story.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I think we're quite well. I think we lost them
at the septic tank.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I think got bored of the rugby, Jam
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