November 30, 2024 • 6 mins
The Labour Party have just wrapped up their AGM in Christchurch, where they had some big decisions to make.
The party has been in conversation about whether a capital gains tax would be on the cards for the next election, and what that may look like.
Labour leader Chris Hipkins joins with more.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks,
I'd be Chris Hipkins has recently concluded his sort of
speech to wrap up the whole thing. They've held votes
on whether there's going to be a Captain's call. They've
talked about making the tax system fairer, Nuclear free New
Zealand's been reaccentuated. They won't, we won't be part of
aucas whole bunch of things. But tell you what instead
(00:25):
of me telling you about it labor later, the leader,
Chris Hipkins joins me, Now, good afternoon.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Can how are you going? All right? So?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Will you chalk this one up as Mark's out of
ten for this conference? What do you reckon? Look?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I mean it's the first conference after an election. We're
not the government and you know we've still got a
lot of work to do, so maybe somewhere between the
seven and an eighty out of ten, I reckon.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
What was the biggest thing to come out of this
weekend for you?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Oh? I think the sense of you know, of energy
amongst our party members who are absolutely determined that we're
gonna give this government a real run for their money
and we're going to We're going to make them a
one term government adact. You know, we're in it to
win it in the next selection.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I guess these events are more about the party, aren't they.
Is there something that you would want to resonate with
the average voter.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I think the key message out of our conference for
people who aren't necessarily hooked into politics is that Labour's
very determined to bring the country back together again. I
think this current government are promoting policies that are dividing
the country. So if we look at the issues around
the Treaty Principles Bill, if you look at the cup
that they're making to the services that a lot of
kiwis rely on, it's a pretty divisive agenda. And we
(01:37):
think that the country is better than that, and we
want to see New Zealanders coming together.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
You said that the government has made the cost of
living crisis worse. Are you guys off the hook for
the previous six years? Nothing to do with you, As I.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Said, you know in my speech today nothing no government's
ever perfect, and we're going to make sure that we
reflect on the things that we committed to that we
didn't deliver on. So if you look at things like
key we build I think right aspiration, we want housing
to be affordable, we want more houses, but it didn't work,
and we should own that, and we should make sure
that as we go into government next time, that we
(02:11):
don't repeat the mistakes of the past, that we are
offering something different, and that also that you know what
we do offer. We know we can deliver.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Some of the conversation leading up to your speech, I mean,
the capital gains tax wealth tax had featured prominently. Is
that the main thing you want to come out of this,
because that's the sort of thing that the voters might
have hopped onto. Is there something else you'd like to
replace that emphasis with?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Oh, I know a lot of people get very excited
about tax I don't think the majority of New Zealanders do.
And actually, right at the moment, you know, we're going
through a policy development process. We're not announcing our tax
policy at this point. A lot of words to flow
under the bridge yet, but we'll have a tax policy
before the election. You know, I've said that I think
our tax system is unbalanced. It's unfair. We've compared to
(02:57):
other countries around the world, we tax working people far
more than other contries as a proportion compared then compared
to other countries around the world who have other forms
that text, other forms of income. So I think you
know that that's that's some work that we've still got
to do.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
We had to chat with Thomas Coglin, who was on
just a moment ago. He's talking about in the earlier
speeches about trying to talk move towards Middle New Zealand.
But in your speech you sort of ruled out working well,
I thought you completely ruled out working with New Zealand first.
That seems that odds with Middle New Zealand a little bit.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I don't think New Zealand represents Middle New Zealand at all.
I think New Zealand drewst has moved to to some
extent to the far right and some of the populist
policies that they're promoting. And so you know, we've worked
with New Zealand US before. It wasn't a pleasant experience
and I have no ambition to do that again.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Still room for you to make a captain's call on that.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Well, you know we've said before, I said before the
election last time who we would would and wouldn't work with,
and I you know, I will do the same thing
again at the next election.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Uh, do you endorus Willie Jackson's rhetoric around David Seymour
because he sort of doubled down on it, but talk
about a special kind of stupid if he's not a
liar and all that sort of thing. What are you
What were your feelings as leader on that.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I think David Seymour was playing a very divisive game.
I think David Semore knows exactly what he's doing, and
I think, you know, Willy calling him out for it.
I'm absolutely comfortable with that. You know, David said, this
is a calculative move by David Seymour. He seems him
going around, you know, like Butter wouldn't melt in his
mouth saying, oh gosh, I didn't realize that people would
get so upset about this. Well, I mean, he must
(04:31):
be one of the only people in the country that
didn't realize that this would be a very divisive debate.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
What's wrong with Orcus.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well aucleas is fundamentally it's a nuclear powered submarine pact.
But then the second, I guess pillar of aucust creates
the impression that New Zealand's foreign policy and that this
government's approach to our foreign policy is going to make
us subservient to the other parties in Orcas, when Christopher
Luxan talks about New Zealand being a force multiplier, what
(04:59):
he's basically saying is that other people should make decisions
about where New Zealand's military forces are deployed. I don't
agree with that. I think in order the Labor Party,
I think we should make decisions about, you know, case
on what's in New Zealand's best interests.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
What about the nuclear thing? For instance, eventually Australia's neighbor
is going to have nuclear powered subs. Would they be
welcome here at any stage or never under your government?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Well, look, I mean there's a lot of water to
flow under the bridge, but we're not certainly not proposing
to change our nuclear free status. We haven't allowed nuclear
warships from the United States into New Zealand waters in
the past, and you know, I don't I can't see
under Labor that changing.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
So what's your next challenge now that the AGM's over,
what's going to come out of it and sort of
the momentum for the party and yourself.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Well, I think over the summer holidays, where we, you know,
doing continuing our policy work while everyone else is having holiday.
So I'll be sending our MP's plenty of homework to
go away and continue to work on the policy that
we need for next year. Next year you'll start to
see some more policy announcements from us, but also on
the ground, we're rebuilding our our sort of activist base
(06:08):
so that we can get out there and run really
vigorous campaign at the next selection.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You did give me a bit of a fright when
you said one big announcement leading us into the next
campaign something like that, and you mentioned Karen macnaughty, but
of course you meant running the campaign. Well I did
for a minute think, Hell, he's not announcing the new leader.
Is any chance you're not going to be there in
twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Six, the very chance of that Karen's going to be
the campaign manager. I'm going to be the leader. We
work incredibly well together or a part him as a base.
He's also said multiple times that he's don't actually wanted
the leadership job, has never just indicated that he wanted it.
I mean, this is just National Party mischief making.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Frankly good, Hey, I really appreciate your time this Staffnoon, Chris,
thanks for much good as Gold.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Great to talk to you. For more from the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Listen live to News Talk Said Be weekends from three pm,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks,
I'd be Chris Hipkins has recently concluded his sort of
speech to wrap up the whole thing. They've held votes
on whether there's going to be a Captain's call. They've
talked about making the tax system fairer, Nuclear free New
Zealand's been reaccentuated. They won't, we won't be part of
aucas whole bunch of things. But tell you what instead
(00:25):
of me telling you about it labor later, the leader,
Chris Hipkins joins me, Now, good afternoon.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Can how are you going? All right? So?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Will you chalk this one up as Mark's out of
ten for this conference? What do you reckon? Look?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I mean it's the first conference after an election. We're
not the government and you know we've still got a
lot of work to do, so maybe somewhere between the
seven and an eighty out of ten, I reckon.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
What was the biggest thing to come out of this
weekend for you?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Oh? I think the sense of you know, of energy
amongst our party members who are absolutely determined that we're
gonna give this government a real run for their money
and we're going to We're going to make them a
one term government adact. You know, we're in it to
win it in the next selection.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I guess these events are more about the party, aren't they.
Is there something that you would want to resonate with
the average voter.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I think the key message out of our conference for
people who aren't necessarily hooked into politics is that Labour's
very determined to bring the country back together again. I
think this current government are promoting policies that are dividing
the country. So if we look at the issues around
the Treaty Principles Bill, if you look at the cup
that they're making to the services that a lot of
kiwis rely on, it's a pretty divisive agenda. And we
(01:37):
think that the country is better than that, and we
want to see New Zealanders coming together.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
You said that the government has made the cost of
living crisis worse. Are you guys off the hook for
the previous six years? Nothing to do with you, As I.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Said, you know in my speech today nothing no government's
ever perfect, and we're going to make sure that we
reflect on the things that we committed to that we
didn't deliver on. So if you look at things like
key we build I think right aspiration, we want housing
to be affordable, we want more houses, but it didn't work,
and we should own that, and we should make sure
that as we go into government next time, that we
(02:11):
don't repeat the mistakes of the past, that we are
offering something different, and that also that you know what
we do offer. We know we can deliver.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Some of the conversation leading up to your speech, I mean,
the capital gains tax wealth tax had featured prominently. Is
that the main thing you want to come out of this,
because that's the sort of thing that the voters might
have hopped onto. Is there something else you'd like to
replace that emphasis with?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Oh, I know a lot of people get very excited
about tax I don't think the majority of New Zealanders do.
And actually, right at the moment, you know, we're going
through a policy development process. We're not announcing our tax
policy at this point. A lot of words to flow
under the bridge yet, but we'll have a tax policy
before the election. You know, I've said that I think
our tax system is unbalanced. It's unfair. We've compared to
(02:57):
other countries around the world, we tax working people far
more than other contries as a proportion compared then compared
to other countries around the world who have other forms
that text, other forms of income. So I think you
know that that's that's some work that we've still got
to do.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
We had to chat with Thomas Coglin, who was on
just a moment ago. He's talking about in the earlier
speeches about trying to talk move towards Middle New Zealand.
But in your speech you sort of ruled out working well,
I thought you completely ruled out working with New Zealand first.
That seems that odds with Middle New Zealand a little bit.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I don't think New Zealand represents Middle New Zealand at all.
I think New Zealand drewst has moved to to some
extent to the far right and some of the populist
policies that they're promoting. And so you know, we've worked
with New Zealand US before. It wasn't a pleasant experience
and I have no ambition to do that again.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Still room for you to make a captain's call on that.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Well, you know we've said before, I said before the
election last time who we would would and wouldn't work with,
and I you know, I will do the same thing
again at the next election.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Uh, do you endorus Willie Jackson's rhetoric around David Seymour
because he sort of doubled down on it, but talk
about a special kind of stupid if he's not a
liar and all that sort of thing. What are you
What were your feelings as leader on that.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I think David Seymour was playing a very divisive game.
I think David Semore knows exactly what he's doing, and
I think, you know, Willy calling him out for it.
I'm absolutely comfortable with that. You know, David said, this
is a calculative move by David Seymour. He seems him
going around, you know, like Butter wouldn't melt in his
mouth saying, oh gosh, I didn't realize that people would
get so upset about this. Well, I mean, he must
(04:31):
be one of the only people in the country that
didn't realize that this would be a very divisive debate.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
What's wrong with Orcus.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well aucleas is fundamentally it's a nuclear powered submarine pact.
But then the second, I guess pillar of aucust creates
the impression that New Zealand's foreign policy and that this
government's approach to our foreign policy is going to make
us subservient to the other parties in Orcas, when Christopher
Luxan talks about New Zealand being a force multiplier, what
(04:59):
he's basically saying is that other people should make decisions
about where New Zealand's military forces are deployed. I don't
agree with that. I think in order the Labor Party,
I think we should make decisions about, you know, case
on what's in New Zealand's best interests.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
What about the nuclear thing? For instance, eventually Australia's neighbor
is going to have nuclear powered subs. Would they be
welcome here at any stage or never under your government?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Well, look, I mean there's a lot of water to
flow under the bridge, but we're not certainly not proposing
to change our nuclear free status. We haven't allowed nuclear
warships from the United States into New Zealand waters in
the past, and you know, I don't I can't see
under Labor that changing.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
So what's your next challenge now that the AGM's over,
what's going to come out of it and sort of
the momentum for the party and yourself.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Well, I think over the summer holidays, where we, you know,
doing continuing our policy work while everyone else is having holiday.
So I'll be sending our MP's plenty of homework to
go away and continue to work on the policy that
we need for next year. Next year you'll start to
see some more policy announcements from us, but also on
the ground, we're rebuilding our our sort of activist base
(06:08):
so that we can get out there and run really
vigorous campaign at the next selection.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You did give me a bit of a fright when
you said one big announcement leading us into the next
campaign something like that, and you mentioned Karen macnaughty, but
of course you meant running the campaign. Well I did
for a minute think, Hell, he's not announcing the new leader.
Is any chance you're not going to be there in
twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Six, the very chance of that Karen's going to be
the campaign manager. I'm going to be the leader. We
work incredibly well together or a part him as a base.
He's also said multiple times that he's don't actually wanted
the leadership job, has never just indicated that he wanted it.
I mean, this is just National Party mischief making.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Frankly good, Hey, I really appreciate your time this Staffnoon, Chris,
thanks for much good as Gold.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Great to talk to you. For more from the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Listen live to News Talk Said Be weekends from three pm,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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