August 13, 2024 • 20 mins
On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave for Tuesday 13 August 2024 - All Blacks Assistant Coach Jason Holland talks about what went wrong in Wellington both on and off the field. What drove such a poor crowd for our most popular sporting brand?
D'Arcy delivers an opinion piece on why the Commonwealth Games may be returning.
Plus, NZ Herald Rugby Writer Phil Gifford joined the panel to discuss a surprise boxing bout in the works.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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We welcome on board to the Sports Fix for Tuesday,
thirteenth of August twenty to twenty four. My name is
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Hard on the heels of a magnificent Olympic Games and
a huge thank you to Jason Pine who's been holding
forts at sports Fix for the last couple of weeks.
And what a tremendous two weeks it was. Right Olympics
(00:44):
to one side. Let's move forward now fixated on the future.
On this program, I'll catch up with Jason Holland, assistant
coach of the All Blacks, as we look back a
wee bit at what happened to Wellington and look forward
a whole lot more to what should happen. I think
at Eden Park on Saturday against Argentina. What if we
look at the potential for a Commonwealth Games. You're hard
(01:07):
on the heels of the joy of their Olympic Games
sort of chants that Glasgow are going to pick up
the Victorian Slack and the chamber. It's myself as good
as gold, Phil Gifford as we talk some of the
big sports stories of the day. That's our master plan.
Let's get amongst in other news. Going to focus now
(01:28):
on sport for today. This is what's up. Olympic gold
medal winning sevens player Stacy Warker remains in talks about
a possible return to the Black Ferns.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
You got to like that.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
That's the fifteens aside for next year's World Cup. The
twenty eight year old, who is part of New Zealand's
World Cup winning side in twenty twenty one, made her
rugby league debut in the Broncos nrl W win over
the Titans last week in Warker says fifteen's coach Alan
Bunting has reached out to her.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
We've had conversations all year and he just wanted to
kind of leave me alone and focus on the Olympics,
which is cool. And then he knew I was coming
to league and he was all for it for a
different challenge. So I'm sure he's going to be in
touch as soon as I get back home.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Good move, Bunty, don't poopo anyone's decisions. Former national coach
Ron Cheatley has outlined how New Zealand's cycling team can
build from the five Metal Hall at the Olympics. He
says consistent success can come at the LA Games in
twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Standard Eyes on their coaching platform. They have had some
up and down times with coaches, but you know, if
we can keep the stability there, that's there at the
moment we've got a good coaching structure. We can only
be stronger in four years time.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
And to rugby. After getting their pants pulled down in
front of nobody in Wellington, All Blacks prop offering the
fussy has issued a rallying call to find answers to
beat Argentina, score more points?
Speaker 7 (02:52):
What can I do better? And the whole squad felt
it as well. The boys that are not playing are
doing the same thing I think they are and there
might you know it was what could have we done
better to prepare the boys for that game? I think
it'll be the same this week.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
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Speaker 4 (03:19):
We'll join now by Jason Holland, assistant coach for the
All Blacks ahead of the second Test against Argentina coming
up at Eden Park on Saturday night. Jason, welcome to
the show. Look as opposed to reviewing what happened in Wellington,
because I'm sure you're over that, Let's start previewing. Let's
start looking ahead, because I'm presuming that's where the coaching
staff are at the moment. You would have recycled what happened,
(03:41):
but now it's about what's next? Am I right with
that one?
Speaker 8 (03:44):
Yeah, Monday it was pretty important that we did. We
do have a really good look at what had happened
on the weekend on Monday and you know, we have
some really good conversations around how we have will be better.
But from this morning, You're right, Tuesday morning has been
look forward to, get excited and look forward to the
challenge and sillurday night.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
So the most pressing lesson for this week what do
you have to apply? I suppose what are you going
to address in camp in the lead up to this match.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (04:12):
One of one of the big rock says come out
of it is how every time we got into the
Argentina is half, we're able to apply pressure. We scored
a lot of points, so the thing that led us
down was the fact that we scored points and then
we couldn't get out.
Speaker 9 (04:24):
Of our own half.
Speaker 8 (04:25):
So it's been a big, a big focus of us
on how we make sure that we can you know,
stack moments so to speak, and score a try and
make sure we get down the other brand again and
putting pressure on ourselves. So yeah, exits and how we
get out of our own end to have been a
massive focus, and then just skill sets making sure that
we're accurate and what we're trying to do.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
So the exits, did you identify a particular part of
the exits that were problematic for you? Oh?
Speaker 8 (04:51):
Yeah, Look, it was a little bit of a little
bit of execution stuff and a little bit of what
we're trying to do. You know, we need to especially
from kickofs in Argentina kicked and got us in corners
and we went good enough to get out of corners
and get a kick on our tombs away. So we'll
look at how we addressed that and a couple of
little all variations in how we play.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Do you like start doing something direct like start kicking
the corners and practice so people get a handle on
what happens there. I mean, are you that do you
reflect that fast to react that quick?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (05:21):
Look, you have to you have to look you on.
You need to be fast learners.
Speaker 8 (05:24):
And you know we you know we've there's exactly what
we've been doing, making sure putting the boys under pressure,
putting them in tough spots and training this morning and
making sure we have the composure and then the skill
set to to run or kick to get out of
our own end.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Who's in charge of that because there's a lot of
coaches floating around, I know there are, So is there
anyone that particularly that carries the can for that one.
Speaker 8 (05:47):
Yeah, there's a little bit of a little bit of
a mix of a couple of people who you know,
around our set piece and then around our system strategy,
around our rock. So between two or three coaches they have,
we've got chat around that, and then it just comes
down to the individual skill sets of the players and
how we work hard at that.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
During the week you mentioned Jason holland rock is that
your term for things that went pair shape?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Is it?
Speaker 9 (06:09):
Actually?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Did I say? No?
Speaker 9 (06:11):
Rock?
Speaker 8 (06:11):
The rocks are it's a bit of terminology for stuff.
So that's that's what I was to what you.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Said around the rock, and well that's what it was
like the rock under your beach towel.
Speaker 9 (06:22):
Yeah, a little bit of that when.
Speaker 8 (06:24):
You score a try and then your next thing is
you've got to line out on your own twenty two.
Speaker 9 (06:28):
So that's that's a bit of a rock under your tael.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Definitely, you shouldn't be lying out of towel at this
time of the season. Mate, Trust you got some work
to do around that attitude. You said, Look, you've got
to you gotta drop it or leave it behind. You
got to look to the future. So what are the
positives at positive attitudes that the players are taking. Is
it's easy enough for them to drop last week pick
something up fresh.
Speaker 8 (06:49):
Yeah, the boy's good, mate, They're outstanding. They've been really
honest around You're honest around where we were at and
really keen to get in and get excited about playing.
Speaker 9 (06:58):
You know, there's a lot of good things around the game.
Speaker 8 (07:00):
You know, we put them under lots of pressure at
times and some good tries and and didn't quite you know,
got denied in.
Speaker 9 (07:06):
The last minute and a few so ye, we're excited.
Speaker 8 (07:08):
We know there's two or three little simple things we
have to get right to make sure the rest of
our game flows, and boys have been great at that.
I'm good and honest and now I had a good,
good training this morning and looking forward to.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Not many people get to see Scott Robertson after a loss.
How was that well historically right?
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (07:29):
Oh no, I didn't notice. Didn't notice. I wasn't wasn't
taking too much notice that to be honest.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
But yeah, you know.
Speaker 9 (07:36):
That's a fair point.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
When you talk about looking at the corners you're training
throughout the week, how much of that takes into account
what happened and how much of that is pre planned
organized knowing what you had to do. I mean, there's
this on the fly, you've got to be reasonably nimble.
How's that structure work, Jason.
Speaker 8 (07:54):
Yeah, it's a good question because you have you have
your systems and structures around how you and in any
part of the game, and then within that you have.
Speaker 9 (08:01):
The little bits that you have to tweet.
Speaker 8 (08:03):
So in this examples and structures are an exit and
making sure sure we were clear around how we get
out of those sidelines and just giving little variations, giving
boys thoughts around how we can do that and small
little variations. But it's not She's not a major, she's
the systems and structures are there. It's just around making
sure we execute within.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
It and coming out to Eden Park get expected to
be a sellout as it always is at Eden Park.
What about looking back to Wellington? How much does that
affect you, guys when you run out there and there's
pretty much a what a very sparse crowd and that's
being polite. Does that slap you around a bit as
players and coaches?
Speaker 8 (08:42):
Yeah, I don't think I don't think it. I don't
think the boys noticed it at the time. I suppose
the other side of the coin is when it's full,
their boys really feel it and love it and it helps.
Speaker 9 (08:52):
So yeah, it was.
Speaker 8 (08:54):
There was a few too many yellow seats down and
Wornington wasn't there And I don't know if that's a
sign of the times of Warnington or we're at with that,
But looking forward to filling the filling the Eden Park
on Saturday night'd be great And.
Speaker 9 (09:08):
For hearing them and helping helping the boys get over
the line.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
It wasn't surprising to you Jason Holland, and you spend
a bit of time in around that region, coach and
the Hurricanes. Obviously you did stand around here on what's
going on here, because I know I did.
Speaker 9 (09:19):
Yeah, I was a lot.
Speaker 8 (09:20):
I was surprised during them during the week when I
heard how it's twenty thousand tickets or something you've been sold.
Speaker 9 (09:25):
But you know, it's a.
Speaker 8 (09:27):
Great she's still pretty good occasion to come to the
footy and yeah, I don't know, you know, let's just
hope that that gets better and I'll be pretty sure
that come. Let us low time in a few weeks
backdown on wanting to the saw that stadium.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
And one last thing on that is management talked much
around the crowd. Has that been part of your discussions.
Speaker 9 (09:45):
No, not really, not really.
Speaker 8 (09:47):
Well, well, you appreciate and love it when the when
the crowds are there and up until the up until
the weekends, she's been four houses, so yeah, luck we
it's more appreciative the people that come, really and we
haven't really had too many combos around it, to be honest.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Great stuff, Jason Holland, A pleasure, Thanks very much for
your time. Wishing all the best for Saturday. Night against Argentina.
The pressure is being rapped up somewhat, so you thrive
on it.
Speaker 9 (10:10):
Thrive on it, beautiful, yep, thank you leading a VEX.
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Speaker 4 (10:18):
Is beaten from pillar to post to just about within
an inch of its life, but there are sign yets
that it may recover. I'm talking, of course, of the
Commonwealth Games. Rumors are out, tweets are out suggesting that
the end of this week Glasgow are going to stand up.
They raise that hand to say we'll take on the
(10:39):
burden of the twenty twenty six Commonwealth Games. This is,
of course, after the Victorians decided, with three years out
from the Games that they'd dropped the ball and run away,
claiming it's far too expensive seven billion plus Australian dollars
to hold the Commonwealth Games. I think most of us
thought the Commonwealth Games was dead in the water long
(10:59):
before that decision by the Victorian government. And I think
most of us understood that decision by the Victorian government
considering the age we're in and the lack of money
floating around, not only in New Zealand, but I'd suggest
everywhere else, so they decided to walk. It's going to
cost them reportedly a billion dollars to break the contract
(11:19):
with the Commonwealth Games.
Speaker 9 (11:20):
Folk.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
It looks like that money is going to be funneled
into Glasgow so they can pick up the slack. Now,
you remember that Glasgow hosted this event back in twenty fourteen,
five thousand athletes over seventeen sports and in general it
went down extremely well. It was a great success. So
this time around, can they replicate You'd have to suggest
(11:43):
beyond the money situation, you think they probably could because
they've done it before, They've got the infrastructure, and on
the back of the joy coming out of the Olympic Games,
there'll be a number of people who fully get behind
another expression of athletic excellence, but this time in and
around the Commonwealth. Oddly, five out of the last six
(12:04):
Commonwealth Games have actually been held in Australia or Britain.
If that is a lean toward the fact, possibly the
Commonwealth Games will end up being in Britain from now
to the end of time, and maybe revolving around a
couple of major centers who can build the infrastructure and
not let it be a white elephant in the future.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
The chamber is now in session on Sportsfex.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
We're joining a chamber out here on the Sports Fix
by Phil Geffed. Of course, Phil appears more frequent than
he'd like to on the All Sports Breakfast with myself
has got a history as long as your are, and
when it comes to writing and broadcasting and the wonderful
wide world of sport. Great to have you in the chamber, Phil,
I trust your recovered well from the two weeks of
no sleep called the Olympics.
Speaker 10 (12:50):
Yeah, it took me about a day of having Nana
Knapp stars to be honest, because bless pair. I mean,
I thought the Paris Olympics were fantastic. I never dreamed
that at this stage in my life I could get
so emotional about some of these brilliant, brilliant young athletes,
most of them women actually, that performed those sensationally. And
Alise andrews, Oh no, it's god, I've started naming now.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
So I shouldn't have done that, because all of them
are fantastic.
Speaker 10 (13:14):
But I've got to say to start with that magnificent
women's sevens rugby team, how they played, and then to
basically finish the gold Rush with Elise Andrews just absolutely
dominating the cycle sprint on the track. I mean, good lord,
that second race you had with the German woman. The
German woman said okay, yeah, I give up now about
(13:37):
fifty meters from the finish and say, yes it was.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
I just thought the games were sensation.
Speaker 10 (13:43):
I loved every minute of them and watched far too
many minutes of them.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
There's no such thing as watching too much. Olympic Games
just brings us nicely in the chamber into our first subject,
apparently Scotland to host the twenty twenty six Comwealth Games
after Victoria went this is too expensive and ran off
for three years to go. And I suppose the vibrancy
of the Olympic Games would add an extra bit of
(14:07):
strength to the arm of people who want it in Glasgow.
Do you think it's going to happen?
Speaker 10 (14:11):
I suppose first up, well, I really hope that it does, Darcy,
because as it happens, I've only worked at one Olympics,
and I know that I believe it or not. I'm
so old that it was nineteen sixty eight in Mexico City.
I was a child journalist with the news and a
Press Association. But I've worked at four Commonwealth Games and
they've all been hugely I actually enjoyed the Commonwealth Games,
(14:31):
and I've talked with people that have reported on both
Commonwealth Games, because they're a bit more manageable and a
bit more human sized, are often incredibly an enormous pleasure.
To be at the Glasgow Games in twenty fourteen, which
was the last one that I covered, was just fantastic.
The people of Glasgow embraced it like you wouldn't believe.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
And the really cool thing in my.
Speaker 10 (14:51):
Memory and the wash up at the end of those games,
it didn't leave the city with a massive debt because
I have a feeling they were very sensible. Well, the
Scottish people Darce which is about three quarters of my ancestry,
so they sort of watch a penny. I think they
sort of used what was the and it was a
massive success. They got terrific crowds and most important of all,
(15:14):
and the reason fingers crossed that they will take it
on again in twenty six is that they didn't end
up with millions and millions while over there it would
have been pounds in debt.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
I think the strong thing here and we know that.
I believe it's five hour. Last six Commonwealth Games have
either been in Australia in Britain. It's going to be
a move to basically being based in a couple of centers,
and i'd suggest in Britain. I mean they are the
head of the Commonwealth right and this way it'll be sustainable.
They won't be leaving white elephants all over town. They'll
(15:44):
chop it around if they carry on with it, and
I think we will really enjoy it, even if it's
not the Olympic Games. It's that wonderful athlete stepping stone.
This is the future, isn't it. Make it small, make
it sustainable, don't make it financially crippling, and it could
have a future.
Speaker 10 (15:59):
Absolutely couldn't agree more mate, And yes you did right
think about the common Games that I think is fantastic
from a New Zealand point of view. Purely the reason
I hope as a Kiwi that they keep going as
long as they can is that it is absolutely that
it's a stepping stone because you never know the comm Games.
I've been to Commonwealth Games where the best athletes in
(16:20):
the world have been racing each other. I think nineteen
seventy I was in Edinburgh and Kip Kino won the gold.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Medal in the fifteen hundred meters.
Speaker 10 (16:27):
But have been Olympic Games, you would have won it
as well, if that makes sense, you know what I mean.
And so those are the things that are so important
about the Commonwealth Games. I think for the average Kiwi
sports person it's a wonderful stepping stone heading towards the Olympics.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
All right, let's move on to our next topic, and
we're looking at trouble at mill when it comes to
the crowds in Wellington that during that first Test match
against Argentina. Is it better to rip on the crowd
than the performance of the All Blacks? It might be
an easier target. I'm not sure. But when I first
saw that, all I could see was yellow seats, I
like what I'm at a Hurricanes game.
Speaker 10 (17:03):
Yeah, it was a bit disappointing, wasn't it really the
size of the crowd. But then you see before that
game the tab had the Pumas as seven to one outsiders.
So if you were going to spend your money on
a Test match ticket in Wellington this year, then I
think you might have held on and said, well, I'll
go and see the Wallabies play the All Backs because
(17:24):
you know, I bled as they carp tradition and all
that sort of stuff. I'll go and see them play
the all Backs. But I don't think i'll splash out
on the Pumas game. It was a disappointing crowd. I'll
be fascinated to see. I've got my fingers crossed that
there'll be if the weather stay is reasonably good, there'll
be a good sized crowd at the Eden part. Because
I must say, having watched that first Test, I really
(17:46):
really really want to see the second Test park made.
I'm nervous, but I really want to see it because
I think this is genuinely a crunch game for the
All Backs.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Well, whenever it comes to distributing Test matches around the nation,
I know there's a lot of there's a lot of
not rage but discomfort about the fact that they took
a Test match over to the States San Diego and
look at sold out. It did really, really well, Yet
places like Hamilton miss out this year. You think with Wellington,
maybe they should distribute these Test matches equally around the
(18:18):
entire country. If they're going to start taking them away
from us.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yeah, it's it's it's a hell of a toss.
Speaker 10 (18:24):
And it comes back as sadly, so much in sport
does now to filthy Luca to money. What is Bob Dylan?
So money doesn't talk, it swears, and that's that's, unfortunately,
I think been a fact with the tests in San
Diego and just just very quickly one of the things
which because of the Olympic Games and stuff, has got
virtually no publicity here. But I find it staggering about
(18:47):
how much money has invaded the sport of rugby. And
this is out this is in England where Twickenham, Twickenham Darsy,
the home of the outfit that calls themselves not the
England Rugby Union, but the Rugby Union has now got
a sponsor and that dropped the Twickener name altogether.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
For God's sake.
Speaker 10 (19:06):
I mean, if rugby and the UK with so much,
so much traditions, if you've got if you've got England
where rugby has such a long enormous tradition and they're
prepared to basically sell their souls to I think it's
to an insurance company, Well then I start to despare
just a tiny bit doce.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
And that's it for the chamber. Phil Gifford, always a
joy to broadcast you, broadcast with you, you look after yourself.
Will catch you again soon.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Great, It's always a pleasure.
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We welcome on board to the Sports Fix for Tuesday,
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Darcy walder Grave and this fixes your daily dose of sport.
Hard on the heels of a magnificent Olympic Games and
a huge thank you to Jason Pine who's been holding
forts at sports Fix for the last couple of weeks.
And what a tremendous two weeks it was. Right Olympics
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to one side. Let's move forward now fixated on the future.
On this program, I'll catch up with Jason Holland, assistant
coach of the All Blacks, as we look back a
wee bit at what happened to Wellington and look forward
a whole lot more to what should happen. I think
at Eden Park on Saturday against Argentina. What if we
look at the potential for a Commonwealth Games. You're hard
(01:07):
on the heels of the joy of their Olympic Games
sort of chants that Glasgow are going to pick up
the Victorian Slack and the chamber. It's myself as good
as gold, Phil Gifford as we talk some of the
big sports stories of the day. That's our master plan.
Let's get amongst in other news. Going to focus now
(01:28):
on sport for today. This is what's up. Olympic gold
medal winning sevens player Stacy Warker remains in talks about
a possible return to the Black Ferns.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
You got to like that.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
That's the fifteens aside for next year's World Cup. The
twenty eight year old, who is part of New Zealand's
World Cup winning side in twenty twenty one, made her
rugby league debut in the Broncos nrl W win over
the Titans last week in Warker says fifteen's coach Alan
Bunting has reached out to her.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
We've had conversations all year and he just wanted to
kind of leave me alone and focus on the Olympics,
which is cool. And then he knew I was coming
to league and he was all for it for a
different challenge. So I'm sure he's going to be in
touch as soon as I get back home.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Good move, Bunty, don't poopo anyone's decisions. Former national coach
Ron Cheatley has outlined how New Zealand's cycling team can
build from the five Metal Hall at the Olympics. He
says consistent success can come at the LA Games in
twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Standard Eyes on their coaching platform. They have had some
up and down times with coaches, but you know, if
we can keep the stability there, that's there at the
moment we've got a good coaching structure. We can only
be stronger in four years time.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
And to rugby. After getting their pants pulled down in
front of nobody in Wellington, All Blacks prop offering the
fussy has issued a rallying call to find answers to
beat Argentina, score more points?
Speaker 7 (02:52):
What can I do better? And the whole squad felt
it as well. The boys that are not playing are
doing the same thing I think they are and there
might you know it was what could have we done
better to prepare the boys for that game? I think
it'll be the same this week.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
And it's a taste sports news and their mouths today
here on the fix.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
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News talks Ivy.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
We'll join now by Jason Holland, assistant coach for the
All Blacks ahead of the second Test against Argentina coming
up at Eden Park on Saturday night. Jason, welcome to
the show. Look as opposed to reviewing what happened in Wellington,
because I'm sure you're over that, Let's start previewing. Let's
start looking ahead, because I'm presuming that's where the coaching
staff are at the moment. You would have recycled what happened,
(03:41):
but now it's about what's next? Am I right with
that one?
Speaker 8 (03:44):
Yeah, Monday it was pretty important that we did. We
do have a really good look at what had happened
on the weekend on Monday and you know, we have
some really good conversations around how we have will be better.
But from this morning, You're right, Tuesday morning has been
look forward to, get excited and look forward to the
challenge and sillurday night.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
So the most pressing lesson for this week what do
you have to apply? I suppose what are you going
to address in camp in the lead up to this match.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (04:12):
One of one of the big rock says come out
of it is how every time we got into the
Argentina is half, we're able to apply pressure. We scored
a lot of points, so the thing that led us
down was the fact that we scored points and then
we couldn't get out.
Speaker 9 (04:24):
Of our own half.
Speaker 8 (04:25):
So it's been a big, a big focus of us
on how we make sure that we can you know,
stack moments so to speak, and score a try and
make sure we get down the other brand again and
putting pressure on ourselves. So yeah, exits and how we
get out of our own end to have been a
massive focus, and then just skill sets making sure that
we're accurate and what we're trying to do.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
So the exits, did you identify a particular part of
the exits that were problematic for you? Oh?
Speaker 8 (04:51):
Yeah, Look, it was a little bit of a little
bit of execution stuff and a little bit of what
we're trying to do. You know, we need to especially
from kickofs in Argentina kicked and got us in corners
and we went good enough to get out of corners
and get a kick on our tombs away. So we'll
look at how we addressed that and a couple of
little all variations in how we play.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Do you like start doing something direct like start kicking
the corners and practice so people get a handle on
what happens there. I mean, are you that do you
reflect that fast to react that quick?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (05:21):
Look, you have to you have to look you on.
You need to be fast learners.
Speaker 8 (05:24):
And you know we you know we've there's exactly what
we've been doing, making sure putting the boys under pressure,
putting them in tough spots and training this morning and
making sure we have the composure and then the skill
set to to run or kick to get out of
our own end.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Who's in charge of that because there's a lot of
coaches floating around, I know there are, So is there
anyone that particularly that carries the can for that one.
Speaker 8 (05:47):
Yeah, there's a little bit of a little bit of
a mix of a couple of people who you know,
around our set piece and then around our system strategy,
around our rock. So between two or three coaches they have,
we've got chat around that, and then it just comes
down to the individual skill sets of the players and
how we work hard at that.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
During the week you mentioned Jason holland rock is that
your term for things that went pair shape?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Is it?
Speaker 9 (06:09):
Actually?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Did I say? No?
Speaker 9 (06:11):
Rock?
Speaker 8 (06:11):
The rocks are it's a bit of terminology for stuff.
So that's that's what I was to what you.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Said around the rock, and well that's what it was
like the rock under your beach towel.
Speaker 9 (06:22):
Yeah, a little bit of that when.
Speaker 8 (06:24):
You score a try and then your next thing is
you've got to line out on your own twenty two.
Speaker 9 (06:28):
So that's that's a bit of a rock under your tael.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Definitely, you shouldn't be lying out of towel at this
time of the season. Mate, Trust you got some work
to do around that attitude. You said, Look, you've got
to you gotta drop it or leave it behind. You
got to look to the future. So what are the
positives at positive attitudes that the players are taking. Is
it's easy enough for them to drop last week pick
something up fresh.
Speaker 8 (06:49):
Yeah, the boy's good, mate, They're outstanding. They've been really
honest around You're honest around where we were at and
really keen to get in and get excited about playing.
Speaker 9 (06:58):
You know, there's a lot of good things around the game.
Speaker 8 (07:00):
You know, we put them under lots of pressure at
times and some good tries and and didn't quite you know,
got denied in.
Speaker 9 (07:06):
The last minute and a few so ye, we're excited.
Speaker 8 (07:08):
We know there's two or three little simple things we
have to get right to make sure the rest of
our game flows, and boys have been great at that.
I'm good and honest and now I had a good,
good training this morning and looking forward to.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Not many people get to see Scott Robertson after a loss.
How was that well historically right?
Speaker 6 (07:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (07:29):
Oh no, I didn't notice. Didn't notice. I wasn't wasn't
taking too much notice that to be honest.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
But yeah, you know.
Speaker 9 (07:36):
That's a fair point.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
When you talk about looking at the corners you're training
throughout the week, how much of that takes into account
what happened and how much of that is pre planned
organized knowing what you had to do. I mean, there's
this on the fly, you've got to be reasonably nimble.
How's that structure work, Jason.
Speaker 8 (07:54):
Yeah, it's a good question because you have you have
your systems and structures around how you and in any
part of the game, and then within that you have.
Speaker 9 (08:01):
The little bits that you have to tweet.
Speaker 8 (08:03):
So in this examples and structures are an exit and
making sure sure we were clear around how we get
out of those sidelines and just giving little variations, giving
boys thoughts around how we can do that and small
little variations. But it's not She's not a major, she's
the systems and structures are there. It's just around making
sure we execute within.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
It and coming out to Eden Park get expected to
be a sellout as it always is at Eden Park.
What about looking back to Wellington? How much does that
affect you, guys when you run out there and there's
pretty much a what a very sparse crowd and that's
being polite. Does that slap you around a bit as
players and coaches?
Speaker 8 (08:42):
Yeah, I don't think I don't think it. I don't
think the boys noticed it at the time. I suppose
the other side of the coin is when it's full,
their boys really feel it and love it and it helps.
Speaker 9 (08:52):
So yeah, it was.
Speaker 8 (08:54):
There was a few too many yellow seats down and
Wornington wasn't there And I don't know if that's a
sign of the times of Warnington or we're at with that,
But looking forward to filling the filling the Eden Park
on Saturday night'd be great And.
Speaker 9 (09:08):
For hearing them and helping helping the boys get over
the line.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
It wasn't surprising to you Jason Holland, and you spend
a bit of time in around that region, coach and
the Hurricanes. Obviously you did stand around here on what's
going on here, because I know I did.
Speaker 9 (09:19):
Yeah, I was a lot.
Speaker 8 (09:20):
I was surprised during them during the week when I
heard how it's twenty thousand tickets or something you've been sold.
Speaker 9 (09:25):
But you know, it's a.
Speaker 8 (09:27):
Great she's still pretty good occasion to come to the
footy and yeah, I don't know, you know, let's just
hope that that gets better and I'll be pretty sure
that come. Let us low time in a few weeks
backdown on wanting to the saw that stadium.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
And one last thing on that is management talked much
around the crowd. Has that been part of your discussions.
Speaker 9 (09:45):
No, not really, not really.
Speaker 8 (09:47):
Well, well, you appreciate and love it when the when
the crowds are there and up until the up until
the weekends, she's been four houses, so yeah, luck we
it's more appreciative the people that come, really and we
haven't really had too many combos around it, to be honest.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Great stuff, Jason Holland, A pleasure, Thanks very much for
your time. Wishing all the best for Saturday. Night against Argentina.
The pressure is being rapped up somewhat, so you thrive
on it.
Speaker 9 (10:10):
Thrive on it, beautiful, yep, thank you leading a VEX.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
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Speaker 4 (10:18):
Is beaten from pillar to post to just about within
an inch of its life, but there are sign yets
that it may recover. I'm talking, of course, of the
Commonwealth Games. Rumors are out, tweets are out suggesting that
the end of this week Glasgow are going to stand up.
They raise that hand to say we'll take on the
(10:39):
burden of the twenty twenty six Commonwealth Games. This is,
of course, after the Victorians decided, with three years out
from the Games that they'd dropped the ball and run away,
claiming it's far too expensive seven billion plus Australian dollars
to hold the Commonwealth Games. I think most of us
thought the Commonwealth Games was dead in the water long
(10:59):
before that decision by the Victorian government. And I think
most of us understood that decision by the Victorian government
considering the age we're in and the lack of money
floating around, not only in New Zealand, but I'd suggest
everywhere else, so they decided to walk. It's going to
cost them reportedly a billion dollars to break the contract
(11:19):
with the Commonwealth Games.
Speaker 9 (11:20):
Folk.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
It looks like that money is going to be funneled
into Glasgow so they can pick up the slack. Now,
you remember that Glasgow hosted this event back in twenty fourteen,
five thousand athletes over seventeen sports and in general it
went down extremely well. It was a great success. So
this time around, can they replicate You'd have to suggest
(11:43):
beyond the money situation, you think they probably could because
they've done it before, They've got the infrastructure, and on
the back of the joy coming out of the Olympic Games,
there'll be a number of people who fully get behind
another expression of athletic excellence, but this time in and
around the Commonwealth. Oddly, five out of the last six
(12:04):
Commonwealth Games have actually been held in Australia or Britain.
If that is a lean toward the fact, possibly the
Commonwealth Games will end up being in Britain from now
to the end of time, and maybe revolving around a
couple of major centers who can build the infrastructure and
not let it be a white elephant in the future.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
The chamber is now in session on Sportsfex.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
We're joining a chamber out here on the Sports Fix
by Phil Geffed. Of course, Phil appears more frequent than
he'd like to on the All Sports Breakfast with myself
has got a history as long as your are, and
when it comes to writing and broadcasting and the wonderful
wide world of sport. Great to have you in the chamber, Phil,
I trust your recovered well from the two weeks of
no sleep called the Olympics.
Speaker 10 (12:50):
Yeah, it took me about a day of having Nana
Knapp stars to be honest, because bless pair. I mean,
I thought the Paris Olympics were fantastic. I never dreamed
that at this stage in my life I could get
so emotional about some of these brilliant, brilliant young athletes,
most of them women actually, that performed those sensationally. And
Alise andrews, Oh no, it's god, I've started naming now.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
So I shouldn't have done that, because all of them
are fantastic.
Speaker 10 (13:14):
But I've got to say to start with that magnificent
women's sevens rugby team, how they played, and then to
basically finish the gold Rush with Elise Andrews just absolutely
dominating the cycle sprint on the track. I mean, good lord,
that second race you had with the German woman. The
German woman said okay, yeah, I give up now about
(13:37):
fifty meters from the finish and say, yes it was.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
I just thought the games were sensation.
Speaker 10 (13:43):
I loved every minute of them and watched far too
many minutes of them.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
There's no such thing as watching too much. Olympic Games
just brings us nicely in the chamber into our first subject,
apparently Scotland to host the twenty twenty six Comwealth Games
after Victoria went this is too expensive and ran off
for three years to go. And I suppose the vibrancy
of the Olympic Games would add an extra bit of
(14:07):
strength to the arm of people who want it in Glasgow.
Do you think it's going to happen?
Speaker 10 (14:11):
I suppose first up, well, I really hope that it does, Darcy,
because as it happens, I've only worked at one Olympics,
and I know that I believe it or not. I'm
so old that it was nineteen sixty eight in Mexico City.
I was a child journalist with the news and a
Press Association. But I've worked at four Commonwealth Games and
they've all been hugely I actually enjoyed the Commonwealth Games,
(14:31):
and I've talked with people that have reported on both
Commonwealth Games, because they're a bit more manageable and a
bit more human sized, are often incredibly an enormous pleasure.
To be at the Glasgow Games in twenty fourteen, which
was the last one that I covered, was just fantastic.
The people of Glasgow embraced it like you wouldn't believe.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
And the really cool thing in my.
Speaker 10 (14:51):
Memory and the wash up at the end of those games,
it didn't leave the city with a massive debt because
I have a feeling they were very sensible. Well, the
Scottish people Darce which is about three quarters of my ancestry,
so they sort of watch a penny. I think they
sort of used what was the and it was a
massive success. They got terrific crowds and most important of all,
(15:14):
and the reason fingers crossed that they will take it
on again in twenty six is that they didn't end
up with millions and millions while over there it would
have been pounds in debt.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
I think the strong thing here and we know that.
I believe it's five hour. Last six Commonwealth Games have
either been in Australia in Britain. It's going to be
a move to basically being based in a couple of centers,
and i'd suggest in Britain. I mean they are the
head of the Commonwealth right and this way it'll be sustainable.
They won't be leaving white elephants all over town. They'll
(15:44):
chop it around if they carry on with it, and
I think we will really enjoy it, even if it's
not the Olympic Games. It's that wonderful athlete stepping stone.
This is the future, isn't it. Make it small, make
it sustainable, don't make it financially crippling, and it could
have a future.
Speaker 10 (15:59):
Absolutely couldn't agree more mate, And yes you did right
think about the common Games that I think is fantastic
from a New Zealand point of view. Purely the reason
I hope as a Kiwi that they keep going as
long as they can is that it is absolutely that
it's a stepping stone because you never know the comm Games.
I've been to Commonwealth Games where the best athletes in
(16:20):
the world have been racing each other. I think nineteen
seventy I was in Edinburgh and Kip Kino won the gold.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Medal in the fifteen hundred meters.
Speaker 10 (16:27):
But have been Olympic Games, you would have won it
as well, if that makes sense, you know what I mean.
And so those are the things that are so important
about the Commonwealth Games. I think for the average Kiwi
sports person it's a wonderful stepping stone heading towards the Olympics.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
All right, let's move on to our next topic, and
we're looking at trouble at mill when it comes to
the crowds in Wellington that during that first Test match
against Argentina. Is it better to rip on the crowd
than the performance of the All Blacks? It might be
an easier target. I'm not sure. But when I first
saw that, all I could see was yellow seats, I
like what I'm at a Hurricanes game.
Speaker 10 (17:03):
Yeah, it was a bit disappointing, wasn't it really the
size of the crowd. But then you see before that
game the tab had the Pumas as seven to one outsiders.
So if you were going to spend your money on
a Test match ticket in Wellington this year, then I
think you might have held on and said, well, I'll
go and see the Wallabies play the All Backs because
(17:24):
you know, I bled as they carp tradition and all
that sort of stuff. I'll go and see them play
the all Backs. But I don't think i'll splash out
on the Pumas game. It was a disappointing crowd. I'll
be fascinated to see. I've got my fingers crossed that
there'll be if the weather stay is reasonably good, there'll
be a good sized crowd at the Eden part. Because
I must say, having watched that first Test, I really
(17:46):
really really want to see the second Test park made.
I'm nervous, but I really want to see it because
I think this is genuinely a crunch game for the
All Backs.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Well, whenever it comes to distributing Test matches around the nation,
I know there's a lot of there's a lot of
not rage but discomfort about the fact that they took
a Test match over to the States San Diego and
look at sold out. It did really, really well, Yet
places like Hamilton miss out this year. You think with Wellington,
maybe they should distribute these Test matches equally around the
(18:18):
entire country. If they're going to start taking them away
from us.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yeah, it's it's it's a hell of a toss.
Speaker 10 (18:24):
And it comes back as sadly, so much in sport
does now to filthy Luca to money. What is Bob Dylan?
So money doesn't talk, it swears, and that's that's, unfortunately,
I think been a fact with the tests in San
Diego and just just very quickly one of the things
which because of the Olympic Games and stuff, has got
virtually no publicity here. But I find it staggering about
(18:47):
how much money has invaded the sport of rugby. And
this is out this is in England where Twickenham, Twickenham Darsy,
the home of the outfit that calls themselves not the
England Rugby Union, but the Rugby Union has now got
a sponsor and that dropped the Twickener name altogether.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
For God's sake.
Speaker 10 (19:06):
I mean, if rugby and the UK with so much,
so much traditions, if you've got if you've got England
where rugby has such a long enormous tradition and they're
prepared to basically sell their souls to I think it's
to an insurance company, Well then I start to despare
just a tiny bit doce.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
And that's it for the chamber. Phil Gifford, always a
joy to broadcast you, broadcast with you, you look after yourself.
Will catch you again soon.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Great, It's always a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
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Speaker 4 (19:43):
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