June 13, 2024 • 18 mins
On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave and Jason Pine for Thursday 13 June 2024, NZRL CEO Greg Peters talks about the possibility of the NRL bringing their premier product to our shores and their plans to ride the 'Wahs' wave.
D'Arcy delivers an opinion piece on why on earth the NRL would give up their premier product for us?
Plus, Piney and D'Arcy discuss the Blackcaps' horrific performance against the West Indies.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hello and welcome into a fresh episode of the Sports
Fix podcast for Thursday June thirteen, twenty twenty four. I'm
Jason Pine and across the desk, Hi, I'm Darcy walder Grave.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Fresh episode Stale Resolve. But we'll talk more about the
cricket when we get into the chamber, right Piney, because
I can't focus on that now.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
No, we have to wait, but we will break it
all down from our eyes anyway during our chat on
the chamber. What have we got in the way of
a guest on the podcast todayd as for.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Having a chat with the CEO of New Zealand Rugby League,
Greg Peters around the possibility unlikely as it is of
a state of origin fixture being based in Auckland at
some stage. It's a long running story. It carries on
getting legs. Is it got any more? Is it any fresher?
Will it ever happen? I'm not sure. Greg joins us
(01:07):
to talk about and then I'll throw my editorial opinion
at it as well ja, all right, let's.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Get into it in other news.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
As always, we start with a look at some of
the big sports stories around today. Ryan Fox bracing for
an unforgiving Pinehurst Number two golf course as he looks
to emulate Michael Campbell's two thousand and five heroics at
the US Golf I've been starting tonight.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
This place is just brutal. You're going to have to
drive it pretty well. It is relatively wide for a
US Open, but the penalty for missing is severe. Now
you're going to see some guys get absolutely screwed.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
At the T twenty Cricket World Cup, India have chased
down a modest one hundred and eleven to beat the
United States by seven wickets with ten balls to spare
in New York. To be just thrills his hands through.
Could that be the winning runs? He gets up and
back for it. And Australian swimmer Ariian Tittmers has said
a new two hundred meter freestyle world record at her
(02:04):
nation's Olympic trials in Brisbane one of the greatest races
of all time.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
It's got the world record, leading of x We've got
just the ticket. It's Sportsfix by Newstalks Ivy.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I was joined it now by Greg Peter's CEO of
New Zealand at Rugby League. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Greg, I know you're well. You're a happy man.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Thank you, Darcy. I'm a happy man, thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Great to have you on board. Let's talk about the
potential that this has been going on for so long,
hasn't it? Can we have a State of Origin fixture
over in New Zealand. So there are proposals in motion,
but a lot of those that appeared seem to rely
around or roll around whether Eden Park can actually host
something like that. So I suppose we'll start off first
(02:56):
though there's a want and a need for State of
Origin over here. Are you sure about that?
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (03:00):
I think there's a huge following now, you know, not
only on the Beck, not only on the back of
the Warriors, but the success of the Narrow and people following.
People have been following State of Origin and New Zealand
for the fifty to forty fifty years it's been going
now and a lot of people got into rugby league
because of those years in the eighties and of following
the Queensland and New South Wales of the way through
(03:21):
so massive following for it. People stay up till after
midnight on a midweek night to follow their team, So
you know, I think there's an eppetite for it most definitely.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Are you confident that they can get it over the line,
because plainly the NRL are interested, But they've got a
few hurdles. The biggest one I mentioned before is the
only way to circumvent that because I wouldn't trust the
residents of the council will do anything. Quite frankly, well,
you know.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
I think that's probably best directed towards Eden Park and
the council. But certainly some challenges, mainly because of the
broadcast times back into Australia. As you know, it's hard
enough for us staying up to after midnight here when
the kickoffs after ten o'clock New Zealand time, So that
will be a problem because they have to clear concerts
out of eden Park much earlier than that, so in
all other sporting fix to finished world before that. But
(04:10):
I think the other bigger problem, and it's a bigger
problem for the events industry in New Zealand, is do
we have the money to put into this sort of stuff?
In my view, there's you know, we're competing against the
Australian markets with many millions of dollars for state governments
and central government funding over the are and there's a
little bit of a what I'll call it a paucity
(04:32):
of vision in New Zealand around the event space just
right at the moment, and we need to be coordinated
and if we get serious about these events, we've got
to put some serious financial muscle behind it.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
So where does that need to land, the finance that
you're looking at that muscle and how much are we
talking here, because I'm presuming what you're saying as other
states are going, no, no, we'll write a check. We
really want that here, that's what you're that's what you're
looking for absolutely.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
I mean the Magic Round and which is a wonderful
event as well that we should be looking at as well,
and I think Cameron George has been vocal about that
in a women's woman's Magic Ground as well. But the
the you know, we're up against New South Wales, Queensland
and Victoria particularly who throw in some cases tens of
millions at these these one off events, so or up
(05:21):
to that number any rate, So you've got to be
saying in New Zealand, we've got to look at this
and say, right, we're a small country five million people,
not as big economically, but which events are we going
to go after? And this should be one of them
and we should be should be looking at that from
a country perspective rather than just an auckland and saying, look.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
This is good, good for us to be to be.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
Put our name on the global map and particularly Australasian
map when you come to rugby league in sport and
let's go after this thing.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
But we might have to trade off and not go
after some other things.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
So we need a proper strategy around events in New
Zealand and that that goes to you know, whether we're
going to host.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Paink or not, or whether we're going to.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
Taylor Swift or whatever. But let's let's get a coordinated
strategy for events in New Zealand and in this case
particul these sporting events.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Have you climbed into this at all with any government representation.
Have you had a lot to find out what needs
to be done in order to seal deals.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Like this, not particularly on the state of origin. But
we have I'm part of a group, a group of
people that get together. The reason we regularly to talk
about the event space and you know this is this
is a this is a gender topic for us is
how do we pull this together? Because everyone's sort of
you know, you got Auckland Unlimited, You've got christ Ute,
you've got Wellington, Dunedin, anywhere with a stadium that can
(06:42):
host or an event facility that can host, and we're
all climbing over each other trying to find to get events.
Whereas if we and then you've got a central fund
from MB or major events in New Zealand and what's
to find as a major event in New Zealand. It
needs a look at too because sometimes these one off
events are not termed as major events in New Zealand.
(07:04):
You're looking at sort of World Cups and the wonderful
events that they've been recently with the Rugby Union World
Cup and fee for Women's World Cup. All of those
are fantastic events. But these are one off opportunities that
don't come around very often in terms of state of origin,
and we need to chase the hard.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
CEO of New Zeland Rugby League, Greg Peters at joining us,
let's talk our economic benefit. If you're pouring in millions
of dollars to attract the one off event like this,
can it be justified by what roles in money wise?
And I'm presuming a lot of that from over the ditch,
from around the rest of the country. Is it worthwhile?
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Most definitely.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
I mean I don't have the number that they would
have calculated for state of origin in Auckland, but if
you look at the visitation, which was a big measure,
and the number of hotel beds and the nights that
people will stay and what else I do in New
Zealand while they're here, there will most definitely be a
payback on that. I can recall my time in Wellington
when we were running the sevens down there. The economic
(08:03):
benefit for that was something like eighteen million dollars to
the city units years ago an hour. So you know,
you look at triple the investment, and you look at
the feel good factor for what it does for the country,
which is often not valued as well. People get behind
this stuff and it makes us feel better about ourselves
and it makes us feel that we're feel proud New Zealanders, and.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
I think that's a really important factor as well.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Why would the NRL do this though, why would they
take away the duel and their Rugby League crown away
from Australia. They did go down like a cup of
cold sick amongst the fan base, wouldn't it. What do
they stand to gain out of this? This is their game,
This is the one they.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
All look forward to.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Yeah, what should be a multifaceted strategy this from the NRL.
Look at what New Zealand now produces. Twenty eight to
thirty percent of the players that are playing in NROL
come from New Zealand or start their career in New Zealand.
And the fan base, the number of people watching it
on Sky and the growth of the Warriors, all of
that sort of stuff is really good for the code
(09:06):
and they need to be investing into New Land. And
this is one way you can invest into New Zealand.
I hasten to suggest it shouldn't be the only way,
but we that you can really shine the spotlight on
it and phil Eaham Park with rugby league people, which
is a mess of statement in itself.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
And on that mister Peters will let you get on
with your day. Thanks so much for joining us here
and look forward to tetting again soon you look after yourself.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Absolute pleasure, Dark Thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
This is Sports Fix, your daily does of sports news,
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Speaker 3 (09:38):
It's a great idea, but how many times do great
ideas actually blossom? Do they bear fruits? In this case
of the State of Origin being played at Eden Park,
I'd suggest that that tree will be barren. There are
a number of reasons why I don't think that the
NRL would bring their biggest gain to New Zealand to Auckland.
(10:01):
Let's face it, the State of Origin is the be
all and end all of rugby league. I know International
league has some traction, really on a year to year basis.
These are the best players in Australia playing this game.
It's a cracker. People love it. They stay up till
midnight over here to watch the game. And if it
were to turn up in New Zealand at Eden Park,
(10:21):
it'll be no problem selling it out. Here comes the problem,
as pointed out by Greg Peters before, who's going to
pay for it? We've got no money. I don't see
government putting any money whatsoever into attracting the State of
Origin over to Auckland. And it has to be Auckland
because that's the only stadium big enough to handle that
(10:43):
crowd and put on such an event. So money's not
going to happen. The second problem is timing, and that's
hand in hand with the third problem, which is the
residence of Mount eden In order to put a successful
event on, it's going to have to start at nine
point thirty at ninetew Zealan time. There is no way
that the residents in and around Eden Park will ever
(11:03):
acquiesce to such a want. Maybe it could be demanded
of them, and I'd say suggest that no one's lived
there since Eden Park was built, they should know better,
But that's a long time argument. Doesn't help Eden Park's
prospects of becoming the national stadium if they simply can't
hold big events. As we were saying, nine to thirty
(11:24):
is a very late start for the locals. For a
one off like a State of Origin, you'd sell it
out and people would turn up at nine point thirty.
People would turn up at ten o'clock to watch a
game like this. The other problem, of course, is what's
in it for Australia. I know they want to spread
their reach and it's a long term plan to engage
and involve a New Zealand much more in rugby league.
(11:46):
Hey give us a second team in the South Island,
that might work better. But as far as the state
of origin coming over here, how upset, how out of
joint with the noses be of the Australian fans. This
is their competition, these are their best players, it's their history.
And to take away and put it in New Zealand
(12:06):
go down like a cup of cold sick. Look, i'd go,
I'd pay the ticket price, I'd get right into it,
But I think there are too many factors that mean
it simply won't happen. Run it through the complicator and
what do you get? A mess? Good luck, guys.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax, So into
the chamber we duck.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And there's only one topic of conversation for the Chamber
to da das, and that is the black Caps exit
now from the T twenty World Cup at the hands
basically of two losses to Afghanistan and just in the
last little while to the West Indies one forty nine
for nine plays one thirty six for nine. What are
your overall thoughts? Not soon after the final delivery has
(12:52):
been bold.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Well, I don't think it's that the hands of the
other two teams. I think it's by their own hand.
I don't think they did themselves any favor with the
lack of preparation. When they're on the part, they looked
short of a trot. There were some terrible decisions. It's
best in that Afghanistan game around shots that the players
gone out to. There were some bad catching and fielding,
so they asked for that. But two in a row
(13:14):
that's even harder to stomach, especially when you consider the
dominant position they were in with only two overs to go,
and they had West Indies on the rack. And I
wonder Piney about the mathematical abilities of came Williamson when
he suddenly realized he had to rely on Mitchell to
bowl the pronuntiment over who got flogged all over the
(13:35):
park and then the last over the same deal. What
was it how many runs off those last couple? It
was thirty seven or something. That's insane. You can't win
doing that.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
No, you're right, thirty seven off the last twelve deliveries,
all at to Chaffeine Rutherford, who went from thirty one
off twenty seven to sixty eight not out of thirty
nine the weaster and he's from one twelve for nine
to one forty nine for nine. That's effectively that is
the winning and the losing of the game. Dok the
thirty seven runs that New Zealand conceded off those last
two overs. And you're right because when Trent bolt Bold
(14:08):
out at the end of the eighteenth overhead bold four
saw they had bowled four, Ferguson had bowled four, and
Niche had bowled four, So you had to go to
a bowl of Darrel Mitchell, who hadn't had a bowl
all innings and in his last in the first game
went for sixteen or seventeen off the only over bowl
as well. So tactically they've got it wrong. You have
to say they've got it wrong. The bowling for the
(14:28):
first eighteen ovus was very, very good, and I wonder
whether came Williamson just banked on the fact that they
were nine down, so even if he did have to
use a couple of part timers or whatever you want
to call them, that they'd still be okay. Well, like
I say, the winning and losing of the game when
you lose by thirteen runs and your League thirty seven
off the last two in your bowling innings. That is
(14:49):
the winning and the losing of the game. I think
it was all epitomized, really when sky Sport cut out
somewhere near the end US.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Yeah, I think maybe that was deliberate. Someone kicked a
plug out in the western is that we can't watch this?
This is an absolute insult. Look, I'm finding silver linings
and the silver owning here is that I want to
getting up at two thirty in the morning to watch
them play. Are you Gander or Papua New Guinea anymore?
In fact, for the T twenty World Cup. Once we
get to the knockout games, we might start watching again.
But I'm gonna have a cup of team to lie down. Oddly, Piney,
(15:17):
this is the first real tournament failure this team has
had quite some time. I think that's why we're so
aghast at the result because this normally doesn't happen. This
is normally a really good side. This is an anomaly.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah. It is the last three twenty twenty World Cups,
three semi finals, and on one of those occasions even
through to the final where we lost to Australia, and
you can't even say. And I had a couple of
people wander past the television in the office who don't
watch a lot of cricket and say to me, how
are we missing a few players? We're not, are we.
There's no one who's not here who should be here.
There's no one to say, I actually would be a
(15:53):
lot better off if we had X y Z. The
only person I can think of is Tim Seifert as
a specialist wicket keeper batsman in the T twenty game.
But Devin Conway today was actually pretty tidy behind the
stumps and took three very good catches at the top
of the west in these innings. So look, know, I
think what will probably happen is that is that because
it's June, this will all kind of fade into the
(16:14):
ethodas and by the time the new summer rolls around,
it'll be a distant, unpleasant memory. But you're right, it
seems to be bringing or the continual, the continuation of
the bringing down of the curtain on what has been
a golden generation of Black Caps cricket, which took in
the World Test Championship final, the you know, the the
fifty over World Cups, have been so good at and
(16:35):
those T twenty World Cups as well. I just think
the sunset has arrived on this team and its latest
latest incarnation.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Scary Stead survive because we're always looking for a scapegoat.
You look at the quality and the class of these players,
and some of them are on their way out. I
mean Bolt's been on his way out for a long time,
even though he's still a class player. There be a
few of the older guys that may be getting pushed.
I still think there's a good young core in there.
So the idea of rebuilding over this period it should
(17:03):
have been successfull. They should have carried on. These guys
have had experience. So when things go horribly, who do
you appoint it the one guy you can get rid
of and go it's Gary's fault.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
It's nice and easy.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
It might not be Gary's fault, but you've got to
get the feeling that someone is going to feel the
wrath of these results, right.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, absolutely, And you're right at Hushy the coach, and
I guess what you'd say is you have to have
a degree of self awareness about this. Gary Stead has
to think to himself, right, have I taken this team
as far as I possibly could, and have they actually
regressed in the last couple of years and you look
at the results and the answer is probably yes. I know,
Gary Steed's got another year I think left on his contract.
Whether there's some maschinations around, you know, moving on from him,
(17:45):
I guess it. You know, it leaves us to wait,
to wait and see exactly what happens. But yeah, it'll
it's been a pretty sorry week or so to be
a black Caps fan. And as you say, does maybe
the silver lining is that we don't have to worry
about the games against the minnows. Now we can find
something else to do.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
In any way to give her feel good, like yes
we can, thrash Uganda. I can't do this anymore. I'm
walking out of the studio. Pinty, You're by your own,
by yourself fight by bye bye.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hello and welcome into a fresh episode of the Sports
Fix podcast for Thursday June thirteen, twenty twenty four. I'm
Jason Pine and across the desk, Hi, I'm Darcy walder Grave.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Fresh episode Stale Resolve. But we'll talk more about the
cricket when we get into the chamber, right Piney, because
I can't focus on that now.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
No, we have to wait, but we will break it
all down from our eyes anyway during our chat on
the chamber. What have we got in the way of
a guest on the podcast todayd as for.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Having a chat with the CEO of New Zealand Rugby League,
Greg Peters around the possibility unlikely as it is of
a state of origin fixture being based in Auckland at
some stage. It's a long running story. It carries on
getting legs. Is it got any more? Is it any fresher?
Will it ever happen? I'm not sure. Greg joins us
(01:07):
to talk about and then I'll throw my editorial opinion
at it as well ja, all right, let's.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Get into it in other news.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
As always, we start with a look at some of
the big sports stories around today. Ryan Fox bracing for
an unforgiving Pinehurst Number two golf course as he looks
to emulate Michael Campbell's two thousand and five heroics at
the US Golf I've been starting tonight.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
This place is just brutal. You're going to have to
drive it pretty well. It is relatively wide for a
US Open, but the penalty for missing is severe. Now
you're going to see some guys get absolutely screwed.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
At the T twenty Cricket World Cup, India have chased
down a modest one hundred and eleven to beat the
United States by seven wickets with ten balls to spare
in New York. To be just thrills his hands through.
Could that be the winning runs? He gets up and
back for it. And Australian swimmer Ariian Tittmers has said
a new two hundred meter freestyle world record at her
(02:04):
nation's Olympic trials in Brisbane one of the greatest races
of all time.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
It's got the world record, leading of x We've got
just the ticket. It's Sportsfix by Newstalks Ivy.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I was joined it now by Greg Peter's CEO of
New Zealand at Rugby League. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Greg, I know you're well. You're a happy man.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Thank you, Darcy. I'm a happy man, thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Great to have you on board. Let's talk about the
potential that this has been going on for so long,
hasn't it? Can we have a State of Origin fixture
over in New Zealand. So there are proposals in motion,
but a lot of those that appeared seem to rely
around or roll around whether Eden Park can actually host
something like that. So I suppose we'll start off first
(02:56):
though there's a want and a need for State of
Origin over here. Are you sure about that?
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (03:00):
I think there's a huge following now, you know, not
only on the Beck, not only on the back of
the Warriors, but the success of the Narrow and people following.
People have been following State of Origin and New Zealand
for the fifty to forty fifty years it's been going
now and a lot of people got into rugby league
because of those years in the eighties and of following
the Queensland and New South Wales of the way through
(03:21):
so massive following for it. People stay up till after
midnight on a midweek night to follow their team, So
you know, I think there's an eppetite for it most definitely.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Are you confident that they can get it over the line,
because plainly the NRL are interested, But they've got a
few hurdles. The biggest one I mentioned before is the
only way to circumvent that because I wouldn't trust the
residents of the council will do anything. Quite frankly, well,
you know.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
I think that's probably best directed towards Eden Park and
the council. But certainly some challenges, mainly because of the
broadcast times back into Australia. As you know, it's hard
enough for us staying up to after midnight here when
the kickoffs after ten o'clock New Zealand time, So that
will be a problem because they have to clear concerts
out of eden Park much earlier than that, so in
all other sporting fix to finished world before that. But
(04:10):
I think the other bigger problem, and it's a bigger
problem for the events industry in New Zealand, is do
we have the money to put into this sort of stuff?
In my view, there's you know, we're competing against the
Australian markets with many millions of dollars for state governments
and central government funding over the are and there's a
little bit of a what I'll call it a paucity
(04:32):
of vision in New Zealand around the event space just
right at the moment, and we need to be coordinated
and if we get serious about these events, we've got
to put some serious financial muscle behind it.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
So where does that need to land, the finance that
you're looking at that muscle and how much are we
talking here, because I'm presuming what you're saying as other
states are going, no, no, we'll write a check. We
really want that here, that's what you're that's what you're
looking for absolutely.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
I mean the Magic Round and which is a wonderful
event as well that we should be looking at as well,
and I think Cameron George has been vocal about that
in a women's woman's Magic Ground as well. But the
the you know, we're up against New South Wales, Queensland
and Victoria particularly who throw in some cases tens of
millions at these these one off events, so or up
(05:21):
to that number any rate, So you've got to be
saying in New Zealand, we've got to look at this
and say, right, we're a small country five million people,
not as big economically, but which events are we going
to go after? And this should be one of them
and we should be should be looking at that from
a country perspective rather than just an auckland and saying, look.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
This is good, good for us to be to be.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
Put our name on the global map and particularly Australasian
map when you come to rugby league in sport and
let's go after this thing.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
But we might have to trade off and not go
after some other things.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
So we need a proper strategy around events in New
Zealand and that that goes to you know, whether we're
going to host.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Paink or not, or whether we're going to.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
Taylor Swift or whatever. But let's let's get a coordinated
strategy for events in New Zealand and in this case
particul these sporting events.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Have you climbed into this at all with any government representation.
Have you had a lot to find out what needs
to be done in order to seal deals.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Like this, not particularly on the state of origin. But
we have I'm part of a group, a group of
people that get together. The reason we regularly to talk
about the event space and you know this is this
is a this is a gender topic for us is
how do we pull this together? Because everyone's sort of
you know, you got Auckland Unlimited, You've got christ Ute,
you've got Wellington, Dunedin, anywhere with a stadium that can
(06:42):
host or an event facility that can host, and we're
all climbing over each other trying to find to get events.
Whereas if we and then you've got a central fund
from MB or major events in New Zealand and what's
to find as a major event in New Zealand. It
needs a look at too because sometimes these one off
events are not termed as major events in New Zealand.
(07:04):
You're looking at sort of World Cups and the wonderful
events that they've been recently with the Rugby Union World
Cup and fee for Women's World Cup. All of those
are fantastic events. But these are one off opportunities that
don't come around very often in terms of state of origin,
and we need to chase the hard.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
CEO of New Zeland Rugby League, Greg Peters at joining us,
let's talk our economic benefit. If you're pouring in millions
of dollars to attract the one off event like this,
can it be justified by what roles in money wise?
And I'm presuming a lot of that from over the ditch,
from around the rest of the country. Is it worthwhile?
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Most definitely.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
I mean I don't have the number that they would
have calculated for state of origin in Auckland, but if
you look at the visitation, which was a big measure,
and the number of hotel beds and the nights that
people will stay and what else I do in New
Zealand while they're here, there will most definitely be a
payback on that. I can recall my time in Wellington
when we were running the sevens down there. The economic
(08:03):
benefit for that was something like eighteen million dollars to
the city units years ago an hour. So you know,
you look at triple the investment, and you look at
the feel good factor for what it does for the country,
which is often not valued as well. People get behind
this stuff and it makes us feel better about ourselves
and it makes us feel that we're feel proud New Zealanders, and.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
I think that's a really important factor as well.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Why would the NRL do this though, why would they
take away the duel and their Rugby League crown away
from Australia. They did go down like a cup of
cold sick amongst the fan base, wouldn't it. What do
they stand to gain out of this? This is their game,
This is the one they.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
All look forward to.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Yeah, what should be a multifaceted strategy this from the NRL.
Look at what New Zealand now produces. Twenty eight to
thirty percent of the players that are playing in NROL
come from New Zealand or start their career in New Zealand.
And the fan base, the number of people watching it
on Sky and the growth of the Warriors, all of
that sort of stuff is really good for the code
(09:06):
and they need to be investing into New Land. And
this is one way you can invest into New Zealand.
I hasten to suggest it shouldn't be the only way,
but we that you can really shine the spotlight on
it and phil Eaham Park with rugby league people, which
is a mess of statement in itself.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
And on that mister Peters will let you get on
with your day. Thanks so much for joining us here
and look forward to tetting again soon you look after yourself.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Absolute pleasure, Dark Thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
This is Sports Fix, your daily does of sports news,
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Speaker 3 (09:38):
It's a great idea, but how many times do great
ideas actually blossom? Do they bear fruits? In this case
of the State of Origin being played at Eden Park,
I'd suggest that that tree will be barren. There are
a number of reasons why I don't think that the
NRL would bring their biggest gain to New Zealand to Auckland.
(10:01):
Let's face it, the State of Origin is the be
all and end all of rugby league. I know International
league has some traction, really on a year to year basis.
These are the best players in Australia playing this game.
It's a cracker. People love it. They stay up till
midnight over here to watch the game. And if it
were to turn up in New Zealand at Eden Park,
(10:21):
it'll be no problem selling it out. Here comes the problem,
as pointed out by Greg Peters before, who's going to
pay for it? We've got no money. I don't see
government putting any money whatsoever into attracting the State of
Origin over to Auckland. And it has to be Auckland
because that's the only stadium big enough to handle that
(10:43):
crowd and put on such an event. So money's not
going to happen. The second problem is timing, and that's
hand in hand with the third problem, which is the
residence of Mount eden In order to put a successful
event on, it's going to have to start at nine
point thirty at ninetew Zealan time. There is no way
that the residents in and around Eden Park will ever
(11:03):
acquiesce to such a want. Maybe it could be demanded
of them, and I'd say suggest that no one's lived
there since Eden Park was built, they should know better,
But that's a long time argument. Doesn't help Eden Park's
prospects of becoming the national stadium if they simply can't
hold big events. As we were saying, nine to thirty
(11:24):
is a very late start for the locals. For a
one off like a State of Origin, you'd sell it
out and people would turn up at nine point thirty.
People would turn up at ten o'clock to watch a
game like this. The other problem, of course, is what's
in it for Australia. I know they want to spread
their reach and it's a long term plan to engage
and involve a New Zealand much more in rugby league.
(11:46):
Hey give us a second team in the South Island,
that might work better. But as far as the state
of origin coming over here, how upset, how out of
joint with the noses be of the Australian fans. This
is their competition, these are their best players, it's their history.
And to take away and put it in New Zealand
(12:06):
go down like a cup of cold sick. Look, i'd go,
I'd pay the ticket price, I'd get right into it,
But I think there are too many factors that mean
it simply won't happen. Run it through the complicator and
what do you get? A mess? Good luck, guys.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax, So into
the chamber we duck.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And there's only one topic of conversation for the Chamber
to da das, and that is the black Caps exit
now from the T twenty World Cup at the hands
basically of two losses to Afghanistan and just in the
last little while to the West Indies one forty nine
for nine plays one thirty six for nine. What are
your overall thoughts? Not soon after the final delivery has
(12:52):
been bold.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Well, I don't think it's that the hands of the
other two teams. I think it's by their own hand.
I don't think they did themselves any favor with the
lack of preparation. When they're on the part, they looked
short of a trot. There were some terrible decisions. It's
best in that Afghanistan game around shots that the players
gone out to. There were some bad catching and fielding,
so they asked for that. But two in a row
(13:14):
that's even harder to stomach, especially when you consider the
dominant position they were in with only two overs to go,
and they had West Indies on the rack. And I
wonder Piney about the mathematical abilities of came Williamson when
he suddenly realized he had to rely on Mitchell to
bowl the pronuntiment over who got flogged all over the
(13:35):
park and then the last over the same deal. What
was it how many runs off those last couple? It
was thirty seven or something. That's insane. You can't win
doing that.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
No, you're right, thirty seven off the last twelve deliveries,
all at to Chaffeine Rutherford, who went from thirty one
off twenty seven to sixty eight not out of thirty
nine the weaster and he's from one twelve for nine
to one forty nine for nine. That's effectively that is
the winning and the losing of the game. Dok the
thirty seven runs that New Zealand conceded off those last
two overs. And you're right because when Trent bolt Bold
(14:08):
out at the end of the eighteenth overhead bold four
saw they had bowled four, Ferguson had bowled four, and
Niche had bowled four, So you had to go to
a bowl of Darrel Mitchell, who hadn't had a bowl
all innings and in his last in the first game
went for sixteen or seventeen off the only over bowl
as well. So tactically they've got it wrong. You have
to say they've got it wrong. The bowling for the
(14:28):
first eighteen ovus was very, very good, and I wonder
whether came Williamson just banked on the fact that they
were nine down, so even if he did have to
use a couple of part timers or whatever you want
to call them, that they'd still be okay. Well, like
I say, the winning and losing of the game when
you lose by thirteen runs and your League thirty seven
off the last two in your bowling innings. That is
(14:49):
the winning and the losing of the game. I think
it was all epitomized, really when sky Sport cut out
somewhere near the end US.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Yeah, I think maybe that was deliberate. Someone kicked a
plug out in the western is that we can't watch this?
This is an absolute insult. Look, I'm finding silver linings
and the silver owning here is that I want to
getting up at two thirty in the morning to watch
them play. Are you Gander or Papua New Guinea anymore?
In fact, for the T twenty World Cup. Once we
get to the knockout games, we might start watching again.
But I'm gonna have a cup of team to lie down. Oddly, Piney,
(15:17):
this is the first real tournament failure this team has
had quite some time. I think that's why we're so
aghast at the result because this normally doesn't happen. This
is normally a really good side. This is an anomaly.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah. It is the last three twenty twenty World Cups,
three semi finals, and on one of those occasions even
through to the final where we lost to Australia, and
you can't even say. And I had a couple of
people wander past the television in the office who don't
watch a lot of cricket and say to me, how
are we missing a few players? We're not, are we.
There's no one who's not here who should be here.
There's no one to say, I actually would be a
(15:53):
lot better off if we had X y Z. The
only person I can think of is Tim Seifert as
a specialist wicket keeper batsman in the T twenty game.
But Devin Conway today was actually pretty tidy behind the
stumps and took three very good catches at the top
of the west in these innings. So look, know, I
think what will probably happen is that is that because
it's June, this will all kind of fade into the
(16:14):
ethodas and by the time the new summer rolls around,
it'll be a distant, unpleasant memory. But you're right, it
seems to be bringing or the continual, the continuation of
the bringing down of the curtain on what has been
a golden generation of Black Caps cricket, which took in
the World Test Championship final, the you know, the the
fifty over World Cups, have been so good at and
(16:35):
those T twenty World Cups as well. I just think
the sunset has arrived on this team and its latest
latest incarnation.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Scary Stead survive because we're always looking for a scapegoat.
You look at the quality and the class of these players,
and some of them are on their way out. I
mean Bolt's been on his way out for a long time,
even though he's still a class player. There be a
few of the older guys that may be getting pushed.
I still think there's a good young core in there.
So the idea of rebuilding over this period it should
(17:03):
have been successfull. They should have carried on. These guys
have had experience. So when things go horribly, who do
you appoint it the one guy you can get rid
of and go it's Gary's fault.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
It's nice and easy.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
It might not be Gary's fault, but you've got to
get the feeling that someone is going to feel the
wrath of these results, right.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, absolutely, And you're right at Hushy the coach, and
I guess what you'd say is you have to have
a degree of self awareness about this. Gary Stead has
to think to himself, right, have I taken this team
as far as I possibly could, and have they actually
regressed in the last couple of years and you look
at the results and the answer is probably yes. I know,
Gary Steed's got another year I think left on his contract.
Whether there's some maschinations around, you know, moving on from him,
(17:45):
I guess it. You know, it leaves us to wait,
to wait and see exactly what happens. But yeah, it'll
it's been a pretty sorry week or so to be
a black Caps fan. And as you say, does maybe
the silver lining is that we don't have to worry
about the games against the minnows. Now we can find
something else to do.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
In any way to give her feel good, like yes
we can, thrash Uganda. I can't do this anymore. I'm
walking out of the studio. Pinty, You're by your own,
by yourself fight by bye bye.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
That is the end of the Chamber. Darcy has departed.
The Chamber returns on the Sports Fix podcast with the
both of us tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Dissecting the sporting agenda.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
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