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August 15, 2024 • 16 mins

On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave and Jason Pine for 15th August 2024, Former All Blacks coach Laurie Mains discusses the side named to face Argentina this weekend.

Changes have been brought in to the All Blacks side that lost to Argentina last week. Laurie Mains offers his thoughts on the changes - and also some players that have kept their spots after underwhelming in Wellington.

Plus, D'Arcy offers his thoughts on yet more Black Caps turning down central contracts, and Piney joins him to discuss Benji Marshall's induction into the NRL Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hello and welcome into a fresh episode of the Sports
Fixed podcast. Thursday, the fifteenth of auguston Jason Pine reunited
with my mates and great.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
To have you back on board again. Piney, you've recovered
from the Olympics. What a shift that was, mate. We
think the athletes work hard, bro.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
We're not out there running running one hundred meters dashes
or swimming the left of Olympic Paul, but we did
enjoy the coverage of it. Great to be back in
the land of the living and the land of the
Southern Hemisphere. Now I know we're straight back into All
Blacks mode. You're chatting to a former All Blacks coach today. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Lurrie Mainz joins us to pick a part, well, not
pick a part to dissect, to look to unpack, as
they say, the All Black team that's been that name,
to fight off the Argentines and not lose an astonishing
record at Eden Park. He gives us his thoughts on
the selection, including TJ Pettinara, which was quite the core.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
I think we all think, yeah, absolutely want to kick
that around in the chamber, as well as Benji Marshall's
induction as the NRL Hall of Fame. The big sports
stores going around today, and you've got some thoughts on
them on the latest black cap to turn down a
central contract us.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, well there's a carbl of them now and they're
changing these contracts. It almost fears like monthly. But I believe,
and you were here in the editorial that they are
front foot for the only consoners change. And you see
on cricket of making all the right moves. In my
humble opinion, lots of guests, dugn do. Let's get into it.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
In other news, Let's have a.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Look at some of the big sports stories around today.
The All Acts Run on Side features four changes for
the rematch against the Pomas Saturday night at Eden Park.
Coach Scott Robertson says her selections been a balancing act
between making changes and giving players a shot at redemption
after the loss in Wellington.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Gone a few combinations getting together and also a little
bit of experience in what we think for this week
in what we needed for this week in specially with
Whitwy the.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Coming black Caps open to Devin Conways joined Kane Williamson
and moving off a New Zealand Cricket central contract and
onto a casual playing deal that will allow him to
play franchise cricket in South Africa in January while still
being available for most of the black Caps internationals.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
It's a great opportunity for me and my family.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
And I've been very fortunate to have the support from
New Zealand Cricket.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
To have this support and.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Be granted a casual playing contract allows me to feel
connected to the group.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
And the Wellington Phoenix have signed a new goalkeeper, former
Tottenham Hotspur stopper josh uluwayem Me for the upcoming A
League Means football season.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I didn't think it would happen this quid, but like
an you think in football, you have to adapt and
you have to have to push yourself, challenge yourself and
get new experiences.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Leading a vix, We've got just the ticket. It's Sports
Fix how my News talks Izzy.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
That's a warm welcome to the Fixed podcast to form
All Black coach Lurriy mains as we take a look
at the twenty three that's been named to take on
Argentina at Eden Park over the week. N Hello to you, Laurie,
Did anything particularly peak your interest around this naming and welcome?

Speaker 5 (03:23):
Well, there are some selections that I find a bit perplexing.
You know. Scott Robinson had a very good start to
the season and the two wins over England and then
Fiji I thought were a great start because that was
a good England team and there was a whole lot
of new players had to be bought into the All Black.

(03:43):
Now it came a bit unstuck against Argentina and there
were reasons for that, and I think that Argentina went
out on the field and said, we're not going to
kick the ball to the All Blacks because they're too
good at the counter attack. But we're going to counterattack
when they kicked to us and run at them, and
incidentally they had the players to do it. Unfortunately, TJ

(04:05):
Pire and Are kicked away five defense of balls, three
of them far too long for anybody to get under
and we were put under great pressure with their counter
attacks and then a couple got partially charged down. And
Argentina is still in our twenty two with an attacking
line out. Now, I thought, when Courtier's Ratima came on,

(04:28):
things look sharper and faster. And I've got to admit
I am surprised they will have their reason. But I'm
surprised that TJ. Piernara is starting again.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
I think not alone in that one, Lorry. All of
the rugby scribes, all the reports said pretty much the
same thing, that maybe TJ. Pettinara is just he's a
weave it off the pace. He's getting older. I think
the inaccuracy of the box kicks that he chose was relevant,
and the speed of which he distributed was hugely irrelevant.

(04:58):
So a huge irrelevant. So can you look at a
reason put yourself on Robertson's mind as to why they
would go back to t J. I thought his experience
maybe off the bench might work with this, I think
is perplexing to everybody.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
No, I can't think, to be honest, I've tried, but
I can't find a reason why they would be likely
to do that. See here's the other thing. His service
and the sporadic nature of the passing and the ball
I think also affected Damien McKenzie. Now that certainly wasn't
one of his best games. And we know when Damien's

(05:32):
put under extreme pressure at times he struggles to cope
with it. And I think that it had a huge
impact on impact on his game as well. And I
sort of harp. I thought, well, maybe they'll put Boden
Barrett two times in a row, the world's best rugby
player as a first five eight. I thought he might

(05:54):
have gone back into first five, but that hasn't happened either.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
They go hand in hand with the concept that Damien
McKenzie actually is very effective off the bench, more so
possibly than Boden Barrett in both of those roles.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
Well, hard to say that when you see what Boden
Barrett did against England, a game that was at risk
of losing, he made it. He just turned the game
on its ear from fullback. But he can do that.
He can do that at first five eight as well.
We have have like when it comes to tough test matches,

(06:29):
you're not worried about how much to win the easier
test matches by you're worried about winning the tough ones.
And we've got a few tough ones ahead of us
this year yet, and you have to select players that
handled that real tough pressure well, and to be honest, body,
Barrett's probably the best in the world at that at

(06:51):
handling that pressure. But he you know, he is very
effective as a fallback as well. But yeah, there you
go for.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
More black cast. Laura Maine had joined us here. Rica
Jolani has found himself back at center again. There's a
new wing combination too, so both those wings. One's been
removed from stop Mark Talea has gone back to the bench,
joins Anton Lennard Brown there, but Rica Joanni back at
seemed I think the drums have been beating for maybe
him not to have that role. Are you surprised he's

(07:21):
come back into that again.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
Well, I've got a great deal of faith in Rique Eoanni.
I've seen him play some superb games. But he is
a player that requires the forward pack doing what they
meant to be doing and getting quality ball. If you
give him a bit of room, he can be absolutely devastating.

(07:44):
Look at the way he played for the Blues and
a number of those Super Rugby matches this year he
showed what real qualities he has. But he you know,
it's like first five eight, It's like any player you've
got to have a bit of room to do it.
And as we know, it all starts up front. This

(08:05):
is sportsfix.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Your daily does have sports news, how and by news
talks be.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
The only constant is changed. This is apparent, always has been,
always will be the constant changing waters if you will
of New Zealand Cricket have meant that New Zealand Cricket
have to come to the fore when it comes to
bargaining with their top players around the length of their contract,
the nature of their contract be a full time permanent contracts,

(08:33):
or be it casual contracts or even player of interest contracts.
Yet they do exist.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
So the news.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Today around Finn Allen being released from a central contract
and around Devon Conway being given room to move with
his cricketing career at the ripe young age of thirty
three all make perfect sense to me. New Zealand Cricket
have to be pragmatic in the way they treat their players.
They can't pay them enough money to expect them to

(09:00):
stick around forever. When the riches are broad and various
T twenty competitions are so overwhelming, players are going to
walk as soon as they can because they need to
cover their backsides come retirement or of course, in the
dreaded case of injury. New Zealand cricket know this. New
Zeland crack I believe have been at the forefront of
understanding that move and have dealt with this in a

(09:24):
manner that sits comfortably, not only with them, with the players,
and I'd like to think the viewers as well, because
without our spectators there is no future for the game
of cricket. So you've got to command New Zealand cricket
with the way they've handled this. You've got to commend
them with the way they're looking forward and their ability
to roll the punches and move with the times. If anything,

(09:48):
the best side of this is some players will only
have temporary contracts shorter contracts. But what that means is
it opens pathways for other young cricketers coming through. So
by default it builds depth and it gives opportunities the
young cricketers who feel they can work their way into
international cricket and have effect and get paid. It's a

(10:11):
win win situation as far as I'm concerned, Get up,
get going. The only constant is change.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
The chamber is now in session on Sportsfax, all right,
let's make ourselves comfortable inside the chamber.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
This is where we kick around some of the sporting
issues of the day. And you've already chatted to Laurie Mains.
Always enjoy hearing his views on the modern day game.
I think his views are still very relevant today.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
TJ.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Petanaup. I think was the eyebrow raiser for everybody, yourself included,
Laurie included, me included. I really thought Dars that they'd
go with Cortez for the for the slightly zippier style
he brings.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
We're going to change his name. It's not the chamber anymore.
We can't be comfortable in a changer. We need to
call it the lounge room, because that's much better. I'm relaxed,
I'm ripped. You're right about this. I don't think anyone
saw that coming at all. I actually saw assistant coaches
Hansen and Ryan in a little cafe around the corner
from the hotels, having a coffee with my mama to

(11:08):
meet her every couple of weeks and around the Windy
had quarter and introduced myself and he said, you've definitely
got a face for radio. Thank you, Jason. Ryan. But
he said he got any ideas about the team selection,
was just about to come out and said, well, you know,
I'm pretty sure that TJ won't be there. He'll be
probably coming off the bench, and a few other than
looking as everyone's a selector, aren't they dice? And you did.
They turned around and walked off. But they were very polite.

(11:29):
They were lovely to my mum. They shook her hand.
They were very very polite. But I think, like most
of us, like, wow, that that is. That's an interesting call.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
It is, And I think he'd Scott Robertson's press conference
and he said, look, the selections based on a couple
of things that, you know, wanting to make some changes,
some tweaks, but also giving certain players the chance to,
I guess, make good on what they didn't do well
last Saturday. And I think like by his own admission,
TJ would say that wasn't one of his more impressive
test matches. You know, he didn't impact the game as

(11:59):
we as we want a half back to do, and
Cortez has done that and his albeit you know, brief
appearances for the All Black so far, I think a
lot of people thought that he would get the nine
jersey and TJ would come off the bench and impact
that way, or nah, Hoopa might even be in the mix,
but no, no, it's TJ and nine, Cortez and twenty one.
The loose forwards also interested me, dus I kind of

(12:21):
thought they'd make a change there, but six seven, eight
unchanged as well. What do you make of that?

Speaker 3 (12:25):
This is the concept behind Scott Robertson having some consistency
within his selection but also saying, hey, I'm willing to
swing the acts if necessary, but I'll do it on
my own terms. I think that the possibility with a save,
people thought maybe you go to number seven, but I
think at number eight he's been very, very good. I
believe that that was a one off match for Ardie

(12:47):
Savia and he didn't and he wasn't at his best
and he knows that, so a chance to right those wrongs.
The interest here, of course is Sam Kine coming off
the bench. But look, they need to harden the Blake's shoulder,
don't they before South Africa because he's going to be
a key part of that too.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah he is, and I feel like he will start
one or both of those test matches over there. I
mean tough test match is coming up well Jordan. Great
to see him back on the right wing, Caleb Clark
on the left. You know that's the injection of something
fresh as well. And yeah, a couple of guys not available.
Ethan de Groot out with a neck injury, which is
never good for a prop forwards to Mighty Williams.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
How did he get that injury? They didn't even have
a scrum last weekend. That's true, You're right, it must
have been in training, Jason Ryan, what have you done
to our boy?

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Hey, let's shift our attention across to the thirteen man code.
Benji Marshall is among the latest inductees into the NRL
Hall of Fame. There's a bunch of them going in,
but the former Keiwis halfback is there? I know is
a guy you enjoyed watching?

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Come on, who didn't. What an exciting player? He was
one that made you change in channel, made you set up,
stand up even and roar at the TV with something else.
But about Hall of Fame, it's more like a colosseum
of fame. Well, how many people are they dragged me
into this? Now you'll be in there next. I'm sorry,
I don't want to disrespect the league players. But while
I said, we've got Line Morgan, less Boyd Been Elias,

(14:09):
Steve Renoof for Enough Renooth, Cameron Smith, Jonathan Thurston, Billy Slated,
Benji Marshall, Cooper Kronk, Greg English, Sam Burgess owned all
top players and I think in the case of Benji
it's definitely based on us playing, not on his coaching,
but some of the things that he got up to
back in his heyday. We stuff that make me stop,
rewind the tape and going, wow, this is one of

(14:31):
the best games in the world. Kind of disagree with me.
He's a freak.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
I can't disagree. I can't disagree. Just the way he
was able to make things happen, and you know, leading
the West Tigers to their first premiership as an amalgamated
club in two thousand and five, help New Zealand win
the World Cup in two thousand and eight, absolutely superb play. Yeah,
his coaching needs developing, but as a player, there's no
doubt about his place in the NRL.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
Schig.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
How was that Grand Final? I watched that in a cinema.
They put it on the big screen in Auckland. We
rolled in there and watched on the big screen. I
can still see people's jaws hitting the deck at some
of the things he did out there. That was amazing, incredible.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Just before we leave the lounge, the Wellington Phoenix have
an new goalkeeper, josh ol Way yemy He's English Nigerian.
This is a really good get. Having watched a few
of his highlights, you know, this is the one position
the Phoenix really needed to sort the sort out with
Alex Paulson leaving and then coming back to Aukland. They've
see what a derby that's going to be to get
a goalkeeper and number one goalkeeper lockdown and Josh ol

(15:31):
Way yem me that's an excellent piece of business by
the club.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
So the past too, I mean this is good. Alex
Pauson goes, everyone's freaking out going, oh my god, what
are you going to do? Da da da da da.
They got that plugged very very fast and obvious sets
and overseas players. Also they've used one of their import spots,
so to me that suggests the guy knows what he does.
But as you know, with the Wellington Phoenix, they've got
a history of pretty sharp number ones, haven't they.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Pine Indeed, indeed, well yeah, before Paulson, now we had
Olie Sale, We've had Glenn Moss, We've had Mark past
and you know Daddy Vookovitz. For a while we had
some good keepers. So hopefully Josh olaway ye me is
the latest to add his name to impressive stodians at
Wellington Phoenix Football Club. That is us today in the
Chamber in the.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Lounge dissecting the sporting agenda. It's Sportsfix with Jason Fine
and Darcy Waldgrave.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
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