September 17, 2024 • 17 mins
On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave for Tuesday 17 September 2024, NZ Herald rugby scribe Gregor Paul looks to the possibility of New Zealand fans becoming tolerant of All Black losses. Since the dreaded covid era, AB results have left little to be desired with some poor results including losing series at home against former easy beats. Are we more accepting of change?
D’Arcy speaks of the importance of the test series against India, the main course of the Black Caps subcontinental tour, after the World Test Championship tests against Sri Lanka which start tomorrow.
Plus, D'Arcy chats to New Zealand Herald Digital Sport Editor Alex Powell about AB tolerance, Auckland City FCs traction toward the start of the A-League season and - how long is the F1 wait now for Liam Lawson?
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is Sportsfix Howard by News Talks, it'd be.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Carta and welcome on and Sports Fix. This is your
podcast on sport Bite side Chunks of Magnificence. Ready to dive, jeets.
My name is Darcy Watergrave and coming up on today's episode,
We're gonna get the ball rolling with Gregor Paul and
New Zealand Herald at rugby writer as we look at
his peace and the concept around tolerance in the face
(00:43):
of loss as an all Blacks fan and indeed, what
does that mean long term? Does that mean the horrible
concept of eligibility comes up? Agin? So we don't keep
getting beaten from pillar to post by the opposition. Gregor
Paul joined us shorten to talk about that editorially old
rant and scream and hot take all I want and
(01:04):
then joining us on the liner in the chamber Alex
He is the digital sport editor for the New Zealand Herald.
That is our plan. Let's get stug into it in
other news, So who said what why? In the last
twenty four hours of sport the current inform all Black
go to hooker Cody Taylor is well aware of the
(01:27):
room dwelling elephant than the side the primary reason for
the team's recent woes.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Yeah, I think we're creating a lot of opportunities. It's
just a matter of finishing them, I think, which has
been a common trend in our reviews of late. And
you know, we want to attack with the ball and stuff,
and we just got to be better at now in
those opportunities, especially towards the vacuum of the game.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
The Commonwealth Games horse is on its knees with a
handful of nations still standing over it, whip in hand,
ready to flog, but it won't die in Doc Boss
and Nicky Nickel still sees hope for the old Nag.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
We know we've got a huge amount of sport coming
to the Pacific over the next decade with Los Angeles
in twenty eight, Brisbane and through the to Rugby World Cups,
Beef for World Cup. So we want to make sure
that we've got everything we can to help our athletes,
and Commonwealth Game such a critical part of that pathway.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
We do now for New Zealand men's golfing at number one,
Ryan Fox, the States, the European Union, they couch the
operating table.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Whether I keep playing in the US or come back
to Europe. Pretty keen on taking a little bit of
a break. I'm fighting a little bit of a hip
injury at the moment, so that needs some attention at
the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And Liam law sad as within break checking distance of
a Formula one drive. We keep saying, read Bill Advisor
Helmet Marco he teased this.
Speaker 6 (02:43):
We have an idea, so ead to deal Singapore by
Van Bimir will have a clear picture.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
This weekend, Cody, Nikki, Ryan and Helmet. Thanks for that use, Avidian.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's Sportsfix with Dancy Valdegrave.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
New Zealand start gathering points in the World Test Championship
tomorrow as they take on Sri Lanka in the first
of two tests. Beyond that and it's again away in
the Subcontinent for three tests up against India and then
home for three more against England and that wraps up
this cycle for the World Test Championship. Now New Zealand
(03:20):
need more than a good result right across these games
in order to secure themselves a spot in that final.
How important is that final well, we won it once,
didn't we up against the Indians and I've still got
the scorecard on my door at home and that was
something quite magnificent. Maybe we'll never scale those heights again.
And in order to get through to the final, it's
(03:42):
looking like New Zealand are going to have to have five,
maybe six wins out of this next eight Test Now
that is not impossible, but extraordinarily tough considering where those
games are being played and who we're playing those games against.
For me, World Test Championship would be something else. But
you know what's more important is to secure a Test
(04:06):
series victory in India. To me, that will make my
cricketing year. That will probably make cricket for the next
couple of years. How difficult, Almost impossible, but not out
of the question. And all you black Cat fans out
there are thinking, go Das, you got it going on
and you realize out there thinking you're absolutely mad mate,
Why would you bother? But let's face it is Test cricket,
(04:28):
it's the best version of the sport. It's on a
perfect time for New Zealanders. That's of course, if you
haven't got a family to interrupt you of the evenings,
and is anything better than beating India in cricket. Probably
Australians in their house. It's got to be them in
their backyard. The preparation, of course for that starts tomorrow,
(04:48):
as long as the weather gods come to the party
in the first of two tests against Sri Lanka, because
for me to roll into India, and even if it's
only wrapped up one zip, victory against the Indians at
their place is so much more important than the World
Test Championship beat.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
We've got just the ticket. It's sports fixed by news
talks Ivy and.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I, for one, welcome to Gregor Paul at Rugby Scribe
out of the New Zealand Herold looking toward the Bitter
Slow Cup and expectations there. I suppose the strange things
here is Gregor and welcome to the program. It kicks
off a quarter of the six mate, how strange.
Speaker 7 (05:29):
Welcome though, I think an afternoon kickoff sun might be
shining in Sydney, so that's a nice little change, I think,
and welcome a few more of those, and look, yeah,
I think we'll get a good game. I know that
we've got some issues across the Tasman about what quality
we're going to get out of the Australians and they
(05:49):
were walloped in the last encounter in Argentina, which doesn't
board particularly well. But I do have a feeling that
the stadium and Sydney will be close to being full.
That will get the best out of the Wallabys. They
just need to look at those black jerseys and that
will get a bit more out of them.
Speaker 8 (06:06):
Here the hacker, that'll get a bit more out of them, and.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
We'll hopefully see whatever this Australian team's got in it.
Speaker 8 (06:14):
I think they'll get it all over.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
He wrote a piece today and their hairld worth talking
about and it's based essentially on tolerance, tolerance of the
All Blacks and their results post COVID, suggesting there was
none previously. But now as a nation of sports fans,
of rugby fans, we can almost accept that the All
Black's going to get beaten from time to time and
(06:38):
that's okay. Oh, how things have changed, Greer.
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Maybe you've grown up as a nation, Darcie. I don't
know other things to do. Maybe COVID was a sort
of realization that there is more in the world van rugby,
and it was just it was a moment to reset
everybody and recalibrate expectations and realize as you go around
(07:02):
the world that you know, there's no inherent reason to
believe that the All Blacks will always be better than
everyone else.
Speaker 8 (07:08):
You've got to earn that right.
Speaker 7 (07:09):
You've got to keep developing your own systems, your own players,
your own coaches to stay ahead of everyone else.
Speaker 8 (07:15):
And there's no doubt that.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
What has also happened is that we've seen real growth,
particularly in Ireland.
Speaker 8 (07:23):
South Africa have purple patch.
Speaker 7 (07:24):
Mean, they've always been a very strong rugby nation, but
they're in a real purple patch at the moment where
they're at the French hosting the World Cup. We saw
them thrive become a different type of nation in terms
of how much resource and connection they had with their team.
England have been on and off, but they're predominantly you
know again, when they're on, they're very good.
Speaker 8 (07:45):
And so I think maybe there's a realization out there.
Speaker 7 (07:49):
Mentioned Argentina, you know, who've improved as well. Realization maybe
that New Zealand's dominance is something that cannot be taken
for granted, it is completely unrealistic, and that there has
to be a sense of what can we tolerate here?
Where can we realistically put a line and say, well, okay,
(08:09):
the odd defeat to South Africa, that's okay, But what
about if we start losing regularly to Australia.
Speaker 8 (08:15):
How do we feel about that?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Well, unlikely considering the state there incurrently, but not to
say it won't occur. So in acceptance from the rugby public,
but surely looking back and going why were we so good?
Why can't we keep one step ahead of the opposition
because they always have what's altered post COVID? Do you think, gregor.
Speaker 8 (08:39):
Well, there'll be a lot of reasons. Well to go
through around it. Look clearly Super Rugby's reconfigured.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
And we can debate this forever, but there's no doubt
that it's weakened the competition. Let's not get into who's
to blame for that. Let's just be realistic. It's not
the competition it was without the South African teams in it.
From a high performance perspective, New Zealand's under exposed to
the body, tights, the sizes and strategies is going to
that the players will encounter in the test arena and
(09:10):
Australia are really really quite weak at the moment, which
doubles down on that he take South Africa out and
put them into the European competition. That's a double whammy.
It's like an intercept on your own goal line, isn't it.
You're about to get seven and you're con seeding seven
down the other end Because they're benefiting Ireland, Scotland, Wales.
Speaker 8 (09:28):
Italy by having their teams over there.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
The isolation didn't help New Zealand, you know, you know,
not having players exposed to a wide enough gene pool.
Maybe the eligibility policy needs to be reviewed because maybe
we're losing players at an earlier age, key players, Richie Muwanga,
Shannon Frazel. You know, you could even argue that Aaron Smith,
Brobi Retalic have gone a year or two earlier than
(09:55):
they perhaps, you know, they could still be playing international
rugby despite the fact they're in Japan. So maybe that
has to be looked at, and just maybe generally we
need to look at the whole development program internally and
ask getting the right people.
Speaker 8 (10:09):
And the right jobs.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
Are we innovative enough, you know, are we changing the
type of rugby enough to keep everyone else.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
The Chamber is now in session on Sports Fix.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Join out in the chamber on The Leaner by Alex Powell.
He's the digital sport editor for the New Zealand Herald. Right,
welcome in, Let's get amongst it. Let's talk about tolerance.
This is an interesting concept, isn't it tolerance around the
All Blacks losing? Are we starting to develop that? Is
this a real thing? Are we really going, ah, well,
(10:43):
you win some, you lose some.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
I mean, are we now saying the New Zealand sports
fan has matured? Like if you look at what's made
the All Backs great for such a long period of time,
it's that fans demand.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
We were I mature. That's what you're saying, right, we
didn't like it. We now reflected.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
Okay, I'd say we still are. But you know, the
Liam Napier, my colleague, wrote a piece before the second
dest against South Africa, saying the day that All Blacks
fans stopped demanding they win every tear as the day
rugby dies in this country, you know. And that's such
a great line. I can still remember it. But no,
I think obviously what we've seen over the last I
guess what ten years really has changed it. Since that
(11:19):
twenty fifteen World Cup, we have had to re evaluate
what we think.
Speaker 8 (11:22):
The All Blacks are.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
The All Blacks have, for all intents and purposes, ruined
sport in this country. You know, if you go to
America and you win sixty percent of your games, you're
an all time great in an NBA, you know, or
the NFL. You do it here as the All Blacks coach,
we want you hung drawn and court it. Remember in Foster.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yes, the future though, it's all about engaging the youth,
and the youth have got goldfish memories. Then the social
media things last six seven minutes. They don't think that
and go oh back and they get old. Hey they're unbeaten.
I go, what happened just then? Is that a way
to tap in? We just focus on the new because
they don't mind so much.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
I mean, look, that's that's a question every organization, every
level is asking this is how do we get the
next generation tapped in? I mean, for you and me,
it's very simple.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
You know.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
I imagine Dad takes you along to a game and
your formative years and you're hooked after that, ye are
I mean a few years later for you and a
few less for me.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Thanks thanks for pointing that out here.
Speaker 8 (12:14):
Cheers.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
But you know you're a bit younger, but you still
have this memory of the All Blacks being dominant, which
is it's unreasonable now, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (12:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
I mean you remember back to two thousand and seven
when they didn't make the semi finals of the World
Cup and that was a national emergency.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
You know, I can still see their herald headline in
twenty five font tragedy. Really, that's not that bad. It's
just lost a game in rugby beer. Maybe things have changed. AnyWho,
Let's talk about some sport for the future, and that's
the A League coming up. Acafeka. I got to stop
saying that I make a mistake one day and get
in trouble. Auckland FC jerseys are out away jerseys out.
(12:51):
Three more players have been signed up seasons only what
less than a month away? Are you feeling the traction?
Speaker 6 (12:58):
No? I mean I love football right, but this is
not my team. I'm from the North of England. You
know my team is my team? Who is your t
A Munchster City Football Club?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
All right there, that's handy, just like Elliott Smith. But
that's okay.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Yeah, it's a bit different to earlier. I've at least
you know, you live there. I've got a geographical claim,
you know, being born half away from the stadium. But no,
it's it's sort of it's the key we sporting psyche
versus the English sporting psyche. You know, your football team
is the football team. You don't change, you know, Auckland City.
I'm sure it will be great and it is great
for kids growing up in the city now to have
(13:33):
this team to watch. But whether or not that translates
to long term success and sustainability, I think is to
be seen. If you look at what the Phoenix have done.
That's sort of the outlier in New Zealand football. You know,
we've tried football teams in Auckland. It's not worked. But
I absolutely think the right people are running at.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
This time, so you think they're making the right steps.
They haven't had a foul ball yet. Sorry wrong small,
but you know what I mean, They're actually it's going
process is working.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
I think what they've done so far. You know, you
had the pitch invader at the Phoenix game, which was
allegedly organized by one Arli Williams. Allegedly allegedly checked out
in full Auckland City kid. There's any place could have
gotten that. They've done fantastically to stoke the rivalry with
the Phoenix and that will be what football and passion
in this country were built on now as in US
(14:18):
versus them, football needs that tribalism more so than other sports.
So let's see what I mean. I think this first
season is going to be a success for Auckland, just
maybe for that novelty factor, but they are going to
have to back it up with the results.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Let's finish things off of Formula one this time. We've
been promising this for weeks and weeks and weeks Liam Lawson,
but the deadline is over and we thought maybe as
a Bijan we might have found out, but now it's
happening after Singapore.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Well, I mean that's what doctor Helmet Marco, who oversees
Red Bulls development, has said. Yeah, like you've just noted
the deadline. So that was well reported throughout the year
by The Herald and by a bunch of other outlets
that there is a contract clause that Liam Lawson has
where Red bull have to give him a seat by
a certain date because it's past we can now reveal
(15:03):
that date was September fifteenth, which was the same day
as he has a by Jan Granbrix. So this is
now that decision has been made, it's just not been
announced what it is. From what I understand, it's looking
good for Liam. All the noises out of Red Bull
from guys like Helmet Marco that Liam has been promised
to seat and he will be in a seat. Christian Horner,
the Red Bull team principle and who does make a
(15:24):
lot of these decisions, hasn't commented. We know he's a
big fan of Daniel Ricardo because of the commercial that
he brings to Red Bull. So whether or not there
is going to be one last fight to save the Aussie,
who knows. But I'd be very surprised if Liam Lawson
isn't on the grid next year in some capacity, whether
that's a Red Bull or not. TBC. But remember that
Audi don't. They've not filled their second seat either and
(15:47):
they are waiting to see if they can get Liam.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
So the decision is no, we're not going to give
him a seat. That would have come out surely by now.
As opposed to leaning on this, I'm wondering if Riccardo
gets a whispering as he and goes, this is it?
Speaker 8 (16:00):
Mate?
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Well, remember that these deals are signed so far in advance.
You think back to last year where Liam came in
and had those five races and out standing Lee and
it was well they have to sign them for next year.
Those contracts were signed at Sylveston, you know, so before
laws and even hopped in the car there was no
seat for them. You know how far out these deals
have been signed this year, We don't know, but they've
(16:21):
just not been announced. I imagine they are finalized and
on paper somewhere.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Now we'll find out sooner rather than later, or later
rather than sooner, knowing the way we've been going on.
Alex Powell were digital editor for New Zealand. Here as always,
thanks for your time, thanks having me.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
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Carta and welcome on and Sports Fix. This is your
podcast on sport Bite side Chunks of Magnificence. Ready to dive, jeets.
My name is Darcy Watergrave and coming up on today's episode,
We're gonna get the ball rolling with Gregor Paul and
New Zealand Herald at rugby writer as we look at
his peace and the concept around tolerance in the face
(00:43):
of loss as an all Blacks fan and indeed, what
does that mean long term? Does that mean the horrible
concept of eligibility comes up? Agin? So we don't keep
getting beaten from pillar to post by the opposition. Gregor
Paul joined us shorten to talk about that editorially old
rant and scream and hot take all I want and
(01:04):
then joining us on the liner in the chamber Alex
He is the digital sport editor for the New Zealand Herald.
That is our plan. Let's get stug into it in
other news, So who said what why? In the last
twenty four hours of sport the current inform all Black
go to hooker Cody Taylor is well aware of the
(01:27):
room dwelling elephant than the side the primary reason for
the team's recent woes.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Yeah, I think we're creating a lot of opportunities. It's
just a matter of finishing them, I think, which has
been a common trend in our reviews of late. And
you know, we want to attack with the ball and stuff,
and we just got to be better at now in
those opportunities, especially towards the vacuum of the game.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
The Commonwealth Games horse is on its knees with a
handful of nations still standing over it, whip in hand,
ready to flog, but it won't die in Doc Boss
and Nicky Nickel still sees hope for the old Nag.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
We know we've got a huge amount of sport coming
to the Pacific over the next decade with Los Angeles
in twenty eight, Brisbane and through the to Rugby World Cups,
Beef for World Cup. So we want to make sure
that we've got everything we can to help our athletes,
and Commonwealth Game such a critical part of that pathway.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
We do now for New Zealand men's golfing at number one,
Ryan Fox, the States, the European Union, they couch the
operating table.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Whether I keep playing in the US or come back
to Europe. Pretty keen on taking a little bit of
a break. I'm fighting a little bit of a hip
injury at the moment, so that needs some attention at
the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And Liam law sad as within break checking distance of
a Formula one drive. We keep saying, read Bill Advisor
Helmet Marco he teased this.
Speaker 6 (02:43):
We have an idea, so ead to deal Singapore by
Van Bimir will have a clear picture.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
This weekend, Cody, Nikki, Ryan and Helmet. Thanks for that use, Avidian.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's Sportsfix with Dancy Valdegrave.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
New Zealand start gathering points in the World Test Championship
tomorrow as they take on Sri Lanka in the first
of two tests. Beyond that and it's again away in
the Subcontinent for three tests up against India and then
home for three more against England and that wraps up
this cycle for the World Test Championship. Now New Zealand
(03:20):
need more than a good result right across these games
in order to secure themselves a spot in that final.
How important is that final well, we won it once,
didn't we up against the Indians and I've still got
the scorecard on my door at home and that was
something quite magnificent. Maybe we'll never scale those heights again.
And in order to get through to the final, it's
(03:42):
looking like New Zealand are going to have to have five,
maybe six wins out of this next eight Test Now
that is not impossible, but extraordinarily tough considering where those
games are being played and who we're playing those games against.
For me, World Test Championship would be something else. But
you know what's more important is to secure a Test
(04:06):
series victory in India. To me, that will make my
cricketing year. That will probably make cricket for the next
couple of years. How difficult, Almost impossible, but not out
of the question. And all you black Cat fans out
there are thinking, go Das, you got it going on
and you realize out there thinking you're absolutely mad mate,
Why would you bother? But let's face it is Test cricket,
(04:28):
it's the best version of the sport. It's on a
perfect time for New Zealanders. That's of course, if you
haven't got a family to interrupt you of the evenings,
and is anything better than beating India in cricket. Probably
Australians in their house. It's got to be them in
their backyard. The preparation, of course for that starts tomorrow,
(04:48):
as long as the weather gods come to the party
in the first of two tests against Sri Lanka, because
for me to roll into India, and even if it's
only wrapped up one zip, victory against the Indians at
their place is so much more important than the World
Test Championship beat.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
We've got just the ticket. It's sports fixed by news
talks Ivy and.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I, for one, welcome to Gregor Paul at Rugby Scribe
out of the New Zealand Herold looking toward the Bitter
Slow Cup and expectations there. I suppose the strange things
here is Gregor and welcome to the program. It kicks
off a quarter of the six mate, how strange.
Speaker 7 (05:29):
Welcome though, I think an afternoon kickoff sun might be
shining in Sydney, so that's a nice little change, I think,
and welcome a few more of those, and look, yeah,
I think we'll get a good game. I know that
we've got some issues across the Tasman about what quality
we're going to get out of the Australians and they
(05:49):
were walloped in the last encounter in Argentina, which doesn't
board particularly well. But I do have a feeling that
the stadium and Sydney will be close to being full.
That will get the best out of the Wallabys. They
just need to look at those black jerseys and that
will get a bit more out of them.
Speaker 8 (06:06):
Here the hacker, that'll get a bit more out of them, and.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
We'll hopefully see whatever this Australian team's got in it.
Speaker 8 (06:14):
I think they'll get it all over.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
He wrote a piece today and their hairld worth talking
about and it's based essentially on tolerance, tolerance of the
All Blacks and their results post COVID, suggesting there was
none previously. But now as a nation of sports fans,
of rugby fans, we can almost accept that the All
Black's going to get beaten from time to time and
(06:38):
that's okay. Oh, how things have changed, Greer.
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Maybe you've grown up as a nation, Darcie. I don't
know other things to do. Maybe COVID was a sort
of realization that there is more in the world van rugby,
and it was just it was a moment to reset
everybody and recalibrate expectations and realize as you go around
(07:02):
the world that you know, there's no inherent reason to
believe that the All Blacks will always be better than
everyone else.
Speaker 8 (07:08):
You've got to earn that right.
Speaker 7 (07:09):
You've got to keep developing your own systems, your own players,
your own coaches to stay ahead of everyone else.
Speaker 8 (07:15):
And there's no doubt that.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
What has also happened is that we've seen real growth,
particularly in Ireland.
Speaker 8 (07:23):
South Africa have purple patch.
Speaker 7 (07:24):
Mean, they've always been a very strong rugby nation, but
they're in a real purple patch at the moment where
they're at the French hosting the World Cup. We saw
them thrive become a different type of nation in terms
of how much resource and connection they had with their team.
England have been on and off, but they're predominantly you
know again, when they're on, they're very good.
Speaker 8 (07:45):
And so I think maybe there's a realization out there.
Speaker 7 (07:49):
Mentioned Argentina, you know, who've improved as well. Realization maybe
that New Zealand's dominance is something that cannot be taken
for granted, it is completely unrealistic, and that there has
to be a sense of what can we tolerate here?
Where can we realistically put a line and say, well, okay,
(08:09):
the odd defeat to South Africa, that's okay, But what
about if we start losing regularly to Australia.
Speaker 8 (08:15):
How do we feel about that?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Well, unlikely considering the state there incurrently, but not to
say it won't occur. So in acceptance from the rugby public,
but surely looking back and going why were we so good?
Why can't we keep one step ahead of the opposition
because they always have what's altered post COVID? Do you think, gregor.
Speaker 8 (08:39):
Well, there'll be a lot of reasons. Well to go
through around it. Look clearly Super Rugby's reconfigured.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
And we can debate this forever, but there's no doubt
that it's weakened the competition. Let's not get into who's
to blame for that. Let's just be realistic. It's not
the competition it was without the South African teams in it.
From a high performance perspective, New Zealand's under exposed to
the body, tights, the sizes and strategies is going to
that the players will encounter in the test arena and
(09:10):
Australia are really really quite weak at the moment, which
doubles down on that he take South Africa out and
put them into the European competition. That's a double whammy.
It's like an intercept on your own goal line, isn't it.
You're about to get seven and you're con seeding seven
down the other end Because they're benefiting Ireland, Scotland, Wales.
Speaker 8 (09:28):
Italy by having their teams over there.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
The isolation didn't help New Zealand, you know, you know,
not having players exposed to a wide enough gene pool.
Maybe the eligibility policy needs to be reviewed because maybe
we're losing players at an earlier age, key players, Richie Muwanga,
Shannon Frazel. You know, you could even argue that Aaron Smith,
Brobi Retalic have gone a year or two earlier than
(09:55):
they perhaps, you know, they could still be playing international
rugby despite the fact they're in Japan. So maybe that
has to be looked at, and just maybe generally we
need to look at the whole development program internally and
ask getting the right people.
Speaker 8 (10:09):
And the right jobs.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
Are we innovative enough, you know, are we changing the
type of rugby enough to keep everyone else.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
The Chamber is now in session on Sports Fix.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Join out in the chamber on The Leaner by Alex Powell.
He's the digital sport editor for the New Zealand Herald. Right,
welcome in, Let's get amongst it. Let's talk about tolerance.
This is an interesting concept, isn't it tolerance around the
All Blacks losing? Are we starting to develop that? Is
this a real thing? Are we really going, ah, well,
(10:43):
you win some, you lose some.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
I mean, are we now saying the New Zealand sports
fan has matured? Like if you look at what's made
the All Backs great for such a long period of time,
it's that fans demand.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
We were I mature. That's what you're saying, right, we
didn't like it. We now reflected.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
Okay, I'd say we still are. But you know, the
Liam Napier, my colleague, wrote a piece before the second
dest against South Africa, saying the day that All Blacks
fans stopped demanding they win every tear as the day
rugby dies in this country, you know. And that's such
a great line. I can still remember it. But no,
I think obviously what we've seen over the last I
guess what ten years really has changed it. Since that
(11:19):
twenty fifteen World Cup, we have had to re evaluate
what we think.
Speaker 8 (11:22):
The All Blacks are.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
The All Blacks have, for all intents and purposes, ruined
sport in this country. You know, if you go to
America and you win sixty percent of your games, you're
an all time great in an NBA, you know, or
the NFL. You do it here as the All Blacks coach,
we want you hung drawn and court it. Remember in Foster.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yes, the future though, it's all about engaging the youth,
and the youth have got goldfish memories. Then the social
media things last six seven minutes. They don't think that
and go oh back and they get old. Hey they're unbeaten.
I go, what happened just then? Is that a way
to tap in? We just focus on the new because
they don't mind so much.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
I mean, look, that's that's a question every organization, every
level is asking this is how do we get the
next generation tapped in? I mean, for you and me,
it's very simple.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
You know.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
I imagine Dad takes you along to a game and
your formative years and you're hooked after that, ye are
I mean a few years later for you and a
few less for me.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Thanks thanks for pointing that out here.
Speaker 8 (12:14):
Cheers.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
But you know you're a bit younger, but you still
have this memory of the All Blacks being dominant, which
is it's unreasonable now, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (12:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
I mean you remember back to two thousand and seven
when they didn't make the semi finals of the World
Cup and that was a national emergency.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
You know, I can still see their herald headline in
twenty five font tragedy. Really, that's not that bad. It's
just lost a game in rugby beer. Maybe things have changed. AnyWho,
Let's talk about some sport for the future, and that's
the A League coming up. Acafeka. I got to stop
saying that I make a mistake one day and get
in trouble. Auckland FC jerseys are out away jerseys out.
(12:51):
Three more players have been signed up seasons only what
less than a month away? Are you feeling the traction?
Speaker 6 (12:58):
No? I mean I love football right, but this is
not my team. I'm from the North of England. You
know my team is my team? Who is your t
A Munchster City Football Club?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
All right there, that's handy, just like Elliott Smith. But
that's okay.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Yeah, it's a bit different to earlier. I've at least
you know, you live there. I've got a geographical claim,
you know, being born half away from the stadium. But no,
it's it's sort of it's the key we sporting psyche
versus the English sporting psyche. You know, your football team
is the football team. You don't change, you know, Auckland City.
I'm sure it will be great and it is great
for kids growing up in the city now to have
(13:33):
this team to watch. But whether or not that translates
to long term success and sustainability, I think is to
be seen. If you look at what the Phoenix have done.
That's sort of the outlier in New Zealand football. You know,
we've tried football teams in Auckland. It's not worked. But
I absolutely think the right people are running at.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
This time, so you think they're making the right steps.
They haven't had a foul ball yet. Sorry wrong small,
but you know what I mean, They're actually it's going
process is working.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
I think what they've done so far. You know, you
had the pitch invader at the Phoenix game, which was
allegedly organized by one Arli Williams. Allegedly allegedly checked out
in full Auckland City kid. There's any place could have
gotten that. They've done fantastically to stoke the rivalry with
the Phoenix and that will be what football and passion
in this country were built on now as in US
(14:18):
versus them, football needs that tribalism more so than other sports.
So let's see what I mean. I think this first
season is going to be a success for Auckland, just
maybe for that novelty factor, but they are going to
have to back it up with the results.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Let's finish things off of Formula one this time. We've
been promising this for weeks and weeks and weeks Liam Lawson,
but the deadline is over and we thought maybe as
a Bijan we might have found out, but now it's
happening after Singapore.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Well, I mean that's what doctor Helmet Marco, who oversees
Red Bulls development, has said. Yeah, like you've just noted
the deadline. So that was well reported throughout the year
by The Herald and by a bunch of other outlets
that there is a contract clause that Liam Lawson has
where Red bull have to give him a seat by
a certain date because it's past we can now reveal
(15:03):
that date was September fifteenth, which was the same day
as he has a by Jan Granbrix. So this is
now that decision has been made, it's just not been
announced what it is. From what I understand, it's looking
good for Liam. All the noises out of Red Bull
from guys like Helmet Marco that Liam has been promised
to seat and he will be in a seat. Christian Horner,
the Red Bull team principle and who does make a
(15:24):
lot of these decisions, hasn't commented. We know he's a
big fan of Daniel Ricardo because of the commercial that
he brings to Red Bull. So whether or not there
is going to be one last fight to save the Aussie,
who knows. But I'd be very surprised if Liam Lawson
isn't on the grid next year in some capacity, whether
that's a Red Bull or not. TBC. But remember that
Audi don't. They've not filled their second seat either and
(15:47):
they are waiting to see if they can get Liam.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
So the decision is no, we're not going to give
him a seat. That would have come out surely by now.
As opposed to leaning on this, I'm wondering if Riccardo
gets a whispering as he and goes, this is it?
Speaker 8 (16:00):
Mate?
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Well, remember that these deals are signed so far in advance.
You think back to last year where Liam came in
and had those five races and out standing Lee and
it was well they have to sign them for next year.
Those contracts were signed at Sylveston, you know, so before
laws and even hopped in the car there was no
seat for them. You know how far out these deals
have been signed this year, We don't know, but they've
(16:21):
just not been announced. I imagine they are finalized and
on paper somewhere.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Now we'll find out sooner rather than later, or later
rather than sooner, knowing the way we've been going on.
Alex Powell were digital editor for New Zealand. Here as always,
thanks for your time, thanks having me.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Mate dissecting the sporting agenda. It's Sportsfix with Darcy Waldgrave.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
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