September 18, 2024 • 19 mins
On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave for Wednesday September 18, 2024, the Universe Boss is on his way to NZ for the Black Clash. The West Indian cricketing superstar talks to the Fix about his All Black desires, busts out an average haka and tells us about the start of his career. Swashbuckling from the get-go? The whole interview can be found at newstalkzb.co.nz
D’Arcy expresses his views on the continuing saga of All Black eligibility. It’s not when the rules will be relaxed, it’s to what extent. So he thinks...
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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This is Sportsfix Howard by News Talks.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
It'd be boy, Hello there, Welcome on into the Sports Fix,
your week daily dose of sports news that you need,
maybe some that you don't. My name is Darcy Walter
Grave and coming up in this potty First up, I'm
going to chat to universe boss. That is Chris Gail,
one of the finest cricketer is to ever swing the
willow and how he can swing the willow. He is
(00:41):
coming over for the Black Class next year. I had
a chance to catch up with him and talk about
the whys, the how's, the watts and the wares of
this appointment and of course what he's done and what
has been a magnificent career up after that. Eligibility is
definitely the flavor of the week. I'll wait in with
some of my ideas behind that, and then joining us
(01:02):
in the chamber behind the Lena is Clay Wilson. He's
the sports news director for news Talk z BE and
we'll throw around a couple of the key talking points
from sport today. That's what we're doing lock yourself in
because here we go again. In other news, here's a
bit of vocal variety for y'all. The first of two
(01:24):
tests for the black Caps versus Sri Lanka get underway today.
Plainly the Kiwi are attempted to gain some World Test
Championship traction ex link and tweaker a Ragna Harath is
climbing in to assist the Kiwi spinatech until Sandna understands
the value Harath brings.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
He showed us in his career what he can do
at Gaul and he loves his ground.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
And so I think if we don't take many, look
at Seev upstairs won't be happy. The Wallabies have a
mountain to climb on Saturday as they attempt to pick
their trans Tasman bogey in the form of the All Blacks.
Prov Alan Alatoa says they've gone knuckled deep and prep
after getting humbled by Argentina.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Today was probably one of our toughest tuesdays, notching them
by Churches.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
But from the players, you know, so the efforts they're
according in the work behind the scenes to.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
You know, not only but to find that performance, but
to be consistent.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
And the Commonwealth Games continues. It's some probable recovery and
have to being rescued by Scotland. Several limbs have been amputated.
Only team sports survive and thankfully the bluster of the
opening and closing ceremonies has been slashed a somewhat. Susie Aiken,
the leader of the Glasgow City Council, it's still the BBC.
They're committed to the truncated cause. It is a privilege
(02:43):
that and we are, we are trusted and that we
we are the people that the Commonwealth Games Federation have
come to. But that are certainly challenges and there are
some bite sized audio chunks for y'all to digest news.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It's Sportsfix with Dancie Valdegrave.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Eligibility has reared its ugly head again and one of
what world of a rugby union. Justin Marshall will kick
it all off with his thoughts and opinions on Sky
Sports Breakdown TV show, and now sunny Bill Williams has
climbed into the fight as well. Both characters seem to
think that eligibility and extending the eligibility for players that
(03:26):
go and play overseas is not only the best way
forward for Newzeland rugby. It is the only way forward
for New Zealand rugby. XI have always resisted this, yet
in their own interesting way, they have opened the door
to this issue by allowing players to travel overseas and
what they call a sabbatical. A number of players have
(03:49):
used this as part of their contract after being long
term and successful players for the national side. Where the
line is drawn is the next problem for n z R.
I don't believe they can resist this any longer. The
rest of the world are doing it, and the rest
of the world are having great success. The All Black
are no longer at the top of the tree. They
(04:10):
are no longer the best team in world rugby. A
number of other teams can claim that throne readily currently.
So what are the All Blacks going to do? But
the massive deal they've signed with a silver late. It
is imperative that the All Blacks get back to the
top of the pyramid and stay at the top of
(04:30):
the pyramid. That was the prize that nz R was
in possession of, and it is slipping through their fingers
like sands of the hour glass. These are the days
of end z r's life. So what do they do.
They've got to be pragmatic in this decision. They've shown
now they are willing to let players go. Whether they're
(04:51):
willing to let more players go is entirely up to them.
But as time moves on, as more opportunity arises overseas
for these players, more players are likely to take these opportunities,
like the younger players coming through. We've already seen that
Lester fag Nuko, of course, and back in the day
Charlie Piertow decided rather than being an All Black he
(05:14):
was going to head for the riches overseas. This will
carry on happening now. The line in the sand is
what ENZR has to do. Now where does it sit.
I don't think they can say no anymore. I think
they have to accept the fact that rugby is a
global game and players are much in demand from this
part of the world, and even without privilege of playing
(05:37):
for the All Blacks at that top level, overseas clubs
are still interested in securing their signatures. So it's your move,
enz R. You can either sit there and fiddle while
Rome burns, or you can do something proactive and try
and regain your position at the top. Of World rugby,
a position that used to be rightfully yours but no longer.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Is dissecting the sporting agenda. It's SPORTSFX with Darcy.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Watergrave and it's warm Welcome to universe, Boss aka Chris Gale,
one of the phones to ever pick up a piece
of willow and hammer the leaver to the boundaries and
indeed over the boundaries. We've got them on because the
hot Spring Spars T twenty Black Clashing Association with Wolfbrook
is said to go on Saturday, January the eighteenth, twenty
(06:29):
twenty five. It's at the Hagley Oval and Christchurch. We're
super excited about Chris Gale turning up. Chris welcome. I
presume you're pretty excited too.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Absolutely, I'm buzzing to come over here as well. But
you know what, I was looking forward to a rugby game,
not a cricket game, because I want to be on
the old black wing going down the stretch, bumpus you
guys out of my way and then we get a try.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
But unfortunately it's going to be crickets. Yeah, I'm looking
forward to you.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Christy. The size of a building, pal, What position Indy
think you'd play in Rugby listening.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
I only know about it in it.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
So and those long legs going down the stretch, Yeah,
that's me, quick and fast like.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
You're seeing both going down the stretch and you know try.
So they've got to use me.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Why they've got to know how to use me to
get the try And you know, I'm saying I think
that I think that's done right.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Well, you're in team Rugby. Say you're in the right
place to get a few tips from the boys here.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
I will by The first tip I want to learn
is the actor because when I see the gan the touring,
the rest of the and all the other guys, I'm
going to give them the.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
So yeah, I'm looking at.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
We should probably see you the words, Chris, because thing
you you know, actually know what.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
You're saying exactly. That's three.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
So I'm presuming and engaging in TEA twenty you gain
like you've still got the fire and your belly. You
still want to play these games even though it's not international.
It's a bit of a bit of light entertainment.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
I mean I've played a few, like the Legend League,
so yeah, I'm still actively playing this type of cricket.
But this one is more like a fun, fun side
of things as well. You know, given it given that
you're you're tired. Now you're going to see some old
folks we to play against and the competitive against as well.
So yeah, and I'll be under All Black teams something
totally different. I'm looking forward to being in that rest room,
(08:29):
you know, with the RUGBA players and see what is
it like. Brian Laura, you know, played in the one
this year as well. You know, when I first saw it,
I don't remember remember where exactly I was, but I
thought it was a tournament.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
I didn't know. I didn't know the Black Clash. You know.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
It's only when I talked to him and then yeah,
and then Stephen Fleming kind of reach out as well
and say, listen, you want to have you next year,
and then I'm like, oh sure, yeah, and then my
agent reach out to Carolina and then you know, that's
this is how you know, we actually kind of here
today as well.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
So I'm excited to be a part of it.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Hopefully against smashing Ball is all out of the pot
and give the All Blacks a win on the one
more win because the cricket does leading them.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Guys, you rig at the moment, Chris, So you're still
on pretty good nick. Your body's coping, Okay.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
I don't want to give away too much, you know
to Burnessy. Do have my birthday party coming up now,
That's why I'm training for my party right about. No,
my beach body party, says a deal that's set about
the twenty firus. And then after my body after place.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Immediately straight to India to play the Legend League.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
So I'm not good after myself, you know, getting a
lot of massage. Must still love a January over there.
By January, I will love a six pack right now.
It's on the side of things. So yeah, we'll see
what happened as.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Far as crickets concerned and the record books. Look, I
could go through them right now, but we haven't got time.
You've had an astonishing career. But what about when you started,
when you first I suppose pat it up as a
young man, what kind of expectations did you have around
what you may achieve in this sport? We like you
before you follow blast, you know as the youngest.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
You know you're joining an international team for the first time.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
You know, after you play playing for your country.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Being so dominant, you know. But when I started out
playing international cricket, I was like pretty much tear free.
I wasn't really looking down the road, you know what's coming,
and when I was just playing in the moment and
enjoying it being.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Swashed, buffling, attacking.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
And then it's only when they get dropped out of
the team that's when you get that wake up call
and realize I was serious the international level of cricket is.
And then when you actually look into yourself now, then
you're going to set yourself that target, like say, hey,
do you really want to go further? Do you want
to be one of the big stars. Do you want
(10:55):
to be one of the main player of the team.
So you start to ask myself question once you're out
of the team. So when I was out of the team, now,
I said to myself, I was doing ninety five by
the time when I get dropped from Musterners, played like
four test matches and get drop immediately. So I'm like listening,
So next time I get the opportunity back in Western
this team, I'm not going to look back because I
(11:16):
didn't like the ninety five job as well, like sitting
around a computer and this lets like, yo, this is
not for me. So I went and dominated first class
cricket score score almost a thousand runs just to get
back in the team.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
So had I had.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
I had a motive, you know, I was really motivated
to get back to the team. And when I did,
I just never looked back. And you know, I went
on to play over one hundred Test matches, so I'm like,
I'm not coming back over the team. So I was
like more consistent than ever before, you know, but sometimes
it takes a little thing to get that wake up.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
I was just pretty much like taking it for granted
and just care free at the start, and then it's
when you gets dropped and then your eyes open to
you know.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
The chamber is now in session on Sports Fix.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Take a seat at the liner in the chamber with
Clay Wilson, Sports News, Director of News Talk and Seed.
Be welcome and always a pleasure.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Let's hit at the start at the eligibility. This is
something that's a very popular subject at the moment. Just
the Marshall started it off this time around Sonny ball,
saw the ball, pick it up, ran off down the
part with it. Where do we sit on this for
yourself anyway.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Well, I think it's probably getting closer and closer to
a case of moving with the times for New Zealand
rugby with this. And the thing is you can do
this however you want it. You don't have to follow
a strict black and white of you must be in
New Zealand or if you are outside New Zealand you
can play. And I think what's been mooted as kind
(12:49):
of a halfway house if you will, around capping a
cap limit or you know, a minimum cap limit in
terms of the players that you will select in this case,
you know at the moment, who would you look at?
You might look at someone like a Brady Rittallic and
Aaron Smith.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
These kind of players, Well, they want the best of
the most worlds, don't they, ncd are they? They want
to keep running with the best team. But they also
don't want to erode what they've already built up and
been soone sistent on for so long. You've got to
stay here to be an all Black. They won't let
that one go.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Will And we've seen Whatsauth Africa have done around this
and how successful they have been, and that it's not
necessarily to say you have to do this to be successful.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
But I think this is where it's going.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
And we've seen now that rugby globally the All Blacks
are not dominating in recent times like they have and
this is a step you can take and you might
only get two, three, four players out of it. I
think I heard our colleagues Lemnapier and Elliott Smith talking
about this on their brilliant Rugby Direct podcasts the other day,
(13:49):
and it might have only been four or five names,
but at the elite level, the top level, they might
be the four or five names you need to be
back at the top to be the All Blacks team
you once were, Like I say, you talk about an
Aaron Smith, you talk about a Richie Moong, a broody Brittallic.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
You add these.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Players to this current team and there's a lot of
very very good young players. But perhaps that's the missing
piece of the puzzle for the All Blacks in the moment.
And New Zealand Rugby have resisted and resisted for so long.
I mean you have to remember for Australia, this rule
in terms of ghetto the ghetto law has been around
for a long time now and we've been so lucky
to have so many of our good players hang around
(14:27):
in New Zealand for so long that we haven't needed to.
But in the last five ten.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Years they've started going, hey, yeah, they've started I mean
you like fat and Nuku just recently, and of course
Piertow back in the day. They probably emboldens younger players
to go, you know what, it's not just about being
an All Black, that's it.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
And the more players that do this at a younger age,
like you say, the more it not necessarily sets an example,
but other younger players that are perhaps not making selection
or are struggling to you know, I think about the
likes of maybe a Stephen Peter Fetter people like this,
or are just on the fringes and can't crack it.
And then you've got someone in Japan saying, hey, we're
going to pay you double triple what you earned via
(15:06):
your Super Rugby Club or New Zealand r You know
those kind of things, and you've seen other players do it.
Those kinds of things become pretty enticing. So it'll be
interesting to see where this goes with New Zealand rugby
and how much that correlates to in terms to the
All Blacks performance and where they're at. If the performance
carries on being a bit like it is at the moment,
(15:27):
a little bit up and down, and we're not quite
getting back to being that dominant force, is it then
a step you have to take and say, hey, maybe
we finally.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Have to bite the bullet.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
We'll set the bar high, you know, in terms of
who we are, who we're going to select from playing overseas,
but that we do have to look to tweaking it
in some way.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Whether we left the door open, well, they've opened it
slightly with what they're doing with sabbatical, so it's not unusual.
It's it's how far that door opens and how reactionary
engine are choose to be. Because I'm sure that doesn't
sit well from the whole concert. Well, everyone else is
doing it, so let's have a crack too. That's not
the way they roll. They want to be world leaders
(16:04):
and everything. So this is quite a balance, quite difficult.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Yeah, and yeah, like you say, in a way, the
sabbatical system is really the first step into a into
a law like this, or a tweak of the current
rules that they have. So yeah, it's going to be
really interesting to see what new Zealand Rugby decides to
do in this space, because you do feel like the
times have just changed a little bit and that players
(16:28):
are going to go regardless. So if you can get
a few of them back, you know, the ones that
are coming towards the end of their careers but are
still really really top players, then if you can keep
a few of them in your all black side but
keep them happy in terms of what they're doing outside
of that in clubland and still making a big, you know,
a decent, decent pay check, then perhaps it's something you
(16:50):
do have to consider.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Hey, the lure of the jersey to the bucks, it's
always going to be interesting. Someone that's already done this.
As far as an organization is New Zealand Cricket, they've
been pretty open about how they deal with players that
want to disappear and play games in those rebel t
twenty legs. They've they've they've opened the door. Of course
the guys that want to stick around playing Test cricket
gets under way today up against the Sri Lankans, and
(17:15):
as far as the World Test Championship is concerned, they're
still a sniff. They've still got a chance. But can
they realistically pick up wins in Sri Lanka and in India.
Five tests on the bounces is tough.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I don't know about you, but the first time I
looked at the World Test Championship table since this next cyclest,
this most recent cyclist started, was today and interesting to
see just how it works. And you know, the black
Caps have played six tests, one three, lost three and
are sitting in third position. So these next these next
round of five tests, like you say, two here in
(17:48):
Sri Lanka and three in India are really crucial. So
being able to have success in these subcontinent conditions is
going to be crucial to the black Caps having any
chance of getting back to that final. And you know,
lords this time around, it's a pretty good carrot, right there,
isn't it, But you know in the motivation, But then
(18:09):
achieving in such difficult conditions against teams that are so
good in their home conditions is an entirely different thing.
So it's going to be really interesting coming off such
little game time in the red ball format because they
missed out on that test of Afghanistan. How this Black
Cap side is gonna is going to perform against Sri
Lanka if they can if they can show something and
(18:30):
then I guess that will give them confidence leading into
what is You know, undoubtedly that the hardest part of
these this little tour that I've got is those three
tests in India that's going to be pretty important.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
And you even know, the icing on the cake, the
ability to strike and get into the World Test Championship
Final could come down to England when they tour here
at the end of these five tests. So much cricket
to look forward to. I'm just tad excited. The hours
are fantastic and with that, Clay Wilson, well you get
out of here. You've got some sports news bulletins to
deal with. Thanks for your time.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
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It'd be boy, Hello there, Welcome on into the Sports Fix,
your week daily dose of sports news that you need,
maybe some that you don't. My name is Darcy Walter
Grave and coming up in this potty First up, I'm
going to chat to universe boss. That is Chris Gail,
one of the finest cricketer is to ever swing the
willow and how he can swing the willow. He is
(00:41):
coming over for the Black Class next year. I had
a chance to catch up with him and talk about
the whys, the how's, the watts and the wares of
this appointment and of course what he's done and what
has been a magnificent career up after that. Eligibility is
definitely the flavor of the week. I'll wait in with
some of my ideas behind that, and then joining us
(01:02):
in the chamber behind the Lena is Clay Wilson. He's
the sports news director for news Talk z BE and
we'll throw around a couple of the key talking points
from sport today. That's what we're doing lock yourself in
because here we go again. In other news, here's a
bit of vocal variety for y'all. The first of two
(01:24):
tests for the black Caps versus Sri Lanka get underway today.
Plainly the Kiwi are attempted to gain some World Test
Championship traction ex link and tweaker a Ragna Harath is
climbing in to assist the Kiwi spinatech until Sandna understands
the value Harath brings.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
He showed us in his career what he can do
at Gaul and he loves his ground.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
And so I think if we don't take many, look
at Seev upstairs won't be happy. The Wallabies have a
mountain to climb on Saturday as they attempt to pick
their trans Tasman bogey in the form of the All Blacks.
Prov Alan Alatoa says they've gone knuckled deep and prep
after getting humbled by Argentina.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Today was probably one of our toughest tuesdays, notching them
by Churches.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
But from the players, you know, so the efforts they're
according in the work behind the scenes to.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
You know, not only but to find that performance, but
to be consistent.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
And the Commonwealth Games continues. It's some probable recovery and
have to being rescued by Scotland. Several limbs have been amputated.
Only team sports survive and thankfully the bluster of the
opening and closing ceremonies has been slashed a somewhat. Susie Aiken,
the leader of the Glasgow City Council, it's still the BBC.
They're committed to the truncated cause. It is a privilege
(02:43):
that and we are, we are trusted and that we
we are the people that the Commonwealth Games Federation have
come to. But that are certainly challenges and there are
some bite sized audio chunks for y'all to digest news.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It's Sportsfix with Dancie Valdegrave.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Eligibility has reared its ugly head again and one of
what world of a rugby union. Justin Marshall will kick
it all off with his thoughts and opinions on Sky
Sports Breakdown TV show, and now sunny Bill Williams has
climbed into the fight as well. Both characters seem to
think that eligibility and extending the eligibility for players that
(03:26):
go and play overseas is not only the best way
forward for Newzeland rugby. It is the only way forward
for New Zealand rugby. XI have always resisted this, yet
in their own interesting way, they have opened the door
to this issue by allowing players to travel overseas and
what they call a sabbatical. A number of players have
(03:49):
used this as part of their contract after being long
term and successful players for the national side. Where the
line is drawn is the next problem for n z R.
I don't believe they can resist this any longer. The
rest of the world are doing it, and the rest
of the world are having great success. The All Black
are no longer at the top of the tree. They
(04:10):
are no longer the best team in world rugby. A
number of other teams can claim that throne readily currently.
So what are the All Blacks going to do? But
the massive deal they've signed with a silver late. It
is imperative that the All Blacks get back to the
top of the pyramid and stay at the top of
(04:30):
the pyramid. That was the prize that nz R was
in possession of, and it is slipping through their fingers
like sands of the hour glass. These are the days
of end z r's life. So what do they do.
They've got to be pragmatic in this decision. They've shown
now they are willing to let players go. Whether they're
(04:51):
willing to let more players go is entirely up to them.
But as time moves on, as more opportunity arises overseas
for these players, more players are likely to take these opportunities,
like the younger players coming through. We've already seen that
Lester fag Nuko, of course, and back in the day
Charlie Piertow decided rather than being an All Black he
(05:14):
was going to head for the riches overseas. This will
carry on happening now. The line in the sand is
what ENZR has to do. Now where does it sit.
I don't think they can say no anymore. I think
they have to accept the fact that rugby is a
global game and players are much in demand from this
part of the world, and even without privilege of playing
(05:37):
for the All Blacks at that top level, overseas clubs
are still interested in securing their signatures. So it's your move,
enz R. You can either sit there and fiddle while
Rome burns, or you can do something proactive and try
and regain your position at the top. Of World rugby,
a position that used to be rightfully yours but no longer.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Is dissecting the sporting agenda. It's SPORTSFX with Darcy.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Watergrave and it's warm Welcome to universe, Boss aka Chris Gale,
one of the phones to ever pick up a piece
of willow and hammer the leaver to the boundaries and
indeed over the boundaries. We've got them on because the
hot Spring Spars T twenty Black Clashing Association with Wolfbrook
is said to go on Saturday, January the eighteenth, twenty
(06:29):
twenty five. It's at the Hagley Oval and Christchurch. We're
super excited about Chris Gale turning up. Chris welcome. I
presume you're pretty excited too.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Absolutely, I'm buzzing to come over here as well. But
you know what, I was looking forward to a rugby game,
not a cricket game, because I want to be on
the old black wing going down the stretch, bumpus you
guys out of my way and then we get a try.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
But unfortunately it's going to be crickets. Yeah, I'm looking
forward to you.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Christy. The size of a building, pal, What position Indy
think you'd play in Rugby listening.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
I only know about it in it.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
So and those long legs going down the stretch, Yeah,
that's me, quick and fast like.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
You're seeing both going down the stretch and you know try.
So they've got to use me.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Why they've got to know how to use me to
get the try And you know, I'm saying I think
that I think that's done right.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Well, you're in team Rugby. Say you're in the right
place to get a few tips from the boys here.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
I will by The first tip I want to learn
is the actor because when I see the gan the touring,
the rest of the and all the other guys, I'm
going to give them the.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
So yeah, I'm looking at.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
We should probably see you the words, Chris, because thing
you you know, actually know what.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
You're saying exactly. That's three.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
So I'm presuming and engaging in TEA twenty you gain
like you've still got the fire and your belly. You
still want to play these games even though it's not international.
It's a bit of a bit of light entertainment.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
I mean I've played a few, like the Legend League,
so yeah, I'm still actively playing this type of cricket.
But this one is more like a fun, fun side
of things as well. You know, given it given that
you're you're tired. Now you're going to see some old
folks we to play against and the competitive against as well.
So yeah, and I'll be under All Black teams something
totally different. I'm looking forward to being in that rest room,
(08:29):
you know, with the RUGBA players and see what is
it like. Brian Laura, you know, played in the one
this year as well. You know, when I first saw it,
I don't remember remember where exactly I was, but I
thought it was a tournament.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
I didn't know. I didn't know the Black Clash. You know.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
It's only when I talked to him and then yeah,
and then Stephen Fleming kind of reach out as well
and say, listen, you want to have you next year,
and then I'm like, oh sure, yeah, and then my
agent reach out to Carolina and then you know, that's
this is how you know, we actually kind of here
today as well.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
So I'm excited to be a part of it.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Hopefully against smashing Ball is all out of the pot
and give the All Blacks a win on the one
more win because the cricket does leading them.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Guys, you rig at the moment, Chris, So you're still
on pretty good nick. Your body's coping, Okay.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
I don't want to give away too much, you know
to Burnessy. Do have my birthday party coming up now,
That's why I'm training for my party right about. No,
my beach body party, says a deal that's set about
the twenty firus. And then after my body after place.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Immediately straight to India to play the Legend League.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
So I'm not good after myself, you know, getting a
lot of massage. Must still love a January over there.
By January, I will love a six pack right now.
It's on the side of things. So yeah, we'll see
what happened as.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Far as crickets concerned and the record books. Look, I
could go through them right now, but we haven't got time.
You've had an astonishing career. But what about when you started,
when you first I suppose pat it up as a
young man, what kind of expectations did you have around
what you may achieve in this sport? We like you
before you follow blast, you know as the youngest.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
You know you're joining an international team for the first time.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
You know, after you play playing for your country.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Being so dominant, you know. But when I started out
playing international cricket, I was like pretty much tear free.
I wasn't really looking down the road, you know what's coming,
and when I was just playing in the moment and
enjoying it being.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Swashed, buffling, attacking.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
And then it's only when they get dropped out of
the team that's when you get that wake up call
and realize I was serious the international level of cricket is.
And then when you actually look into yourself now, then
you're going to set yourself that target, like say, hey,
do you really want to go further? Do you want
to be one of the big stars. Do you want
(10:55):
to be one of the main player of the team.
So you start to ask myself question once you're out
of the team. So when I was out of the team, now,
I said to myself, I was doing ninety five by
the time when I get dropped from Musterners, played like
four test matches and get drop immediately. So I'm like listening,
So next time I get the opportunity back in Western
this team, I'm not going to look back because I
(11:16):
didn't like the ninety five job as well, like sitting
around a computer and this lets like, yo, this is
not for me. So I went and dominated first class
cricket score score almost a thousand runs just to get
back in the team.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
So had I had.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
I had a motive, you know, I was really motivated
to get back to the team. And when I did,
I just never looked back. And you know, I went
on to play over one hundred Test matches, so I'm like,
I'm not coming back over the team. So I was
like more consistent than ever before, you know, but sometimes
it takes a little thing to get that wake up.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
I was just pretty much like taking it for granted
and just care free at the start, and then it's
when you gets dropped and then your eyes open to
you know.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
The chamber is now in session on Sports Fix.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Take a seat at the liner in the chamber with
Clay Wilson, Sports News, Director of News Talk and Seed.
Be welcome and always a pleasure.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Let's hit at the start at the eligibility. This is
something that's a very popular subject at the moment. Just
the Marshall started it off this time around Sonny ball,
saw the ball, pick it up, ran off down the
part with it. Where do we sit on this for
yourself anyway.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Well, I think it's probably getting closer and closer to
a case of moving with the times for New Zealand
rugby with this. And the thing is you can do
this however you want it. You don't have to follow
a strict black and white of you must be in
New Zealand or if you are outside New Zealand you
can play. And I think what's been mooted as kind
(12:49):
of a halfway house if you will, around capping a
cap limit or you know, a minimum cap limit in
terms of the players that you will select in this case,
you know at the moment, who would you look at?
You might look at someone like a Brady Rittallic and
Aaron Smith.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
These kind of players, Well, they want the best of
the most worlds, don't they, ncd are they? They want
to keep running with the best team. But they also
don't want to erode what they've already built up and
been soone sistent on for so long. You've got to
stay here to be an all Black. They won't let
that one go.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Will And we've seen Whatsauth Africa have done around this
and how successful they have been, and that it's not
necessarily to say you have to do this to be successful.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
But I think this is where it's going.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
And we've seen now that rugby globally the All Blacks
are not dominating in recent times like they have and
this is a step you can take and you might
only get two, three, four players out of it. I
think I heard our colleagues Lemnapier and Elliott Smith talking
about this on their brilliant Rugby Direct podcasts the other day,
(13:49):
and it might have only been four or five names,
but at the elite level, the top level, they might
be the four or five names you need to be
back at the top to be the All Blacks team
you once were, Like I say, you talk about an
Aaron Smith, you talk about a Richie Moong, a broody Brittallic.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
You add these.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Players to this current team and there's a lot of
very very good young players. But perhaps that's the missing
piece of the puzzle for the All Blacks in the moment.
And New Zealand Rugby have resisted and resisted for so long.
I mean you have to remember for Australia, this rule
in terms of ghetto the ghetto law has been around
for a long time now and we've been so lucky
to have so many of our good players hang around
(14:27):
in New Zealand for so long that we haven't needed to.
But in the last five ten.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Years they've started going, hey, yeah, they've started I mean
you like fat and Nuku just recently, and of course
Piertow back in the day. They probably emboldens younger players
to go, you know what, it's not just about being
an All Black, that's it.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
And the more players that do this at a younger age,
like you say, the more it not necessarily sets an example,
but other younger players that are perhaps not making selection
or are struggling to you know, I think about the
likes of maybe a Stephen Peter Fetter people like this,
or are just on the fringes and can't crack it.
And then you've got someone in Japan saying, hey, we're
going to pay you double triple what you earned via
(15:06):
your Super Rugby Club or New Zealand r You know
those kind of things, and you've seen other players do it.
Those kinds of things become pretty enticing. So it'll be
interesting to see where this goes with New Zealand rugby
and how much that correlates to in terms to the
All Blacks performance and where they're at. If the performance
carries on being a bit like it is at the moment,
(15:27):
a little bit up and down, and we're not quite
getting back to being that dominant force, is it then
a step you have to take and say, hey, maybe
we finally.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Have to bite the bullet.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
We'll set the bar high, you know, in terms of
who we are, who we're going to select from playing overseas,
but that we do have to look to tweaking it
in some way.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Whether we left the door open, well, they've opened it
slightly with what they're doing with sabbatical, so it's not unusual.
It's it's how far that door opens and how reactionary
engine are choose to be. Because I'm sure that doesn't
sit well from the whole concert. Well, everyone else is
doing it, so let's have a crack too. That's not
the way they roll. They want to be world leaders
(16:04):
and everything. So this is quite a balance, quite difficult.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Yeah, and yeah, like you say, in a way, the
sabbatical system is really the first step into a into
a law like this, or a tweak of the current
rules that they have. So yeah, it's going to be
really interesting to see what new Zealand Rugby decides to
do in this space, because you do feel like the
times have just changed a little bit and that players
(16:28):
are going to go regardless. So if you can get
a few of them back, you know, the ones that
are coming towards the end of their careers but are
still really really top players, then if you can keep
a few of them in your all black side but
keep them happy in terms of what they're doing outside
of that in clubland and still making a big, you know,
a decent, decent pay check, then perhaps it's something you
(16:50):
do have to consider.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Hey, the lure of the jersey to the bucks, it's
always going to be interesting. Someone that's already done this.
As far as an organization is New Zealand Cricket, they've
been pretty open about how they deal with players that
want to disappear and play games in those rebel t
twenty legs. They've they've they've opened the door. Of course
the guys that want to stick around playing Test cricket
gets under way today up against the Sri Lankans, and
(17:15):
as far as the World Test Championship is concerned, they're
still a sniff. They've still got a chance. But can
they realistically pick up wins in Sri Lanka and in India.
Five tests on the bounces is tough.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I don't know about you, but the first time I
looked at the World Test Championship table since this next cyclest,
this most recent cyclist started, was today and interesting to
see just how it works. And you know, the black
Caps have played six tests, one three, lost three and
are sitting in third position. So these next these next
round of five tests, like you say, two here in
(17:48):
Sri Lanka and three in India are really crucial. So
being able to have success in these subcontinent conditions is
going to be crucial to the black Caps having any
chance of getting back to that final. And you know,
lords this time around, it's a pretty good carrot, right there,
isn't it, But you know in the motivation, But then
(18:09):
achieving in such difficult conditions against teams that are so
good in their home conditions is an entirely different thing.
So it's going to be really interesting coming off such
little game time in the red ball format because they
missed out on that test of Afghanistan. How this Black
Cap side is gonna is going to perform against Sri
Lanka if they can if they can show something and
(18:30):
then I guess that will give them confidence leading into
what is You know, undoubtedly that the hardest part of
these this little tour that I've got is those three
tests in India that's going to be pretty important.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
And you even know, the icing on the cake, the
ability to strike and get into the World Test Championship
Final could come down to England when they tour here
at the end of these five tests. So much cricket
to look forward to. I'm just tad excited. The hours
are fantastic and with that, Clay Wilson, well you get
out of here. You've got some sports news bulletins to
deal with. Thanks for your time.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Always a pleasure, thanks to us.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
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Speaker 3 (19:06):
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