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On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave for Wednesday25 September 2024 Black Cap quick Will O’Rourke joins the pod to talk of his rise and rise in international cricket. After only 3 tests, the lofty paceman has collected 19 wickets at 15.5. His latest effort in Galle showed again why he is a prospect we should be rightly excited by.
Christchurch is attracting sports teams like bees to honey. Their nectar? A stadium. Along with Hagley Oval, the once destroyed city is putting Auckland to shame with sporting infrastructure. D’Arc waves the flag for his old home town.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
It'd be It's time Sports Fix the twenty fifth of
September twenty twenty four. My name is Darcy Walter Grave.
This is the home of all the sports news you
need to know about in a bit you probably don't
coming up in this program. Three Test matches, nineteen wickets
and an average of fifteen and a half. Will I
walk is extraordinary, He joins us shortly to talk about
(00:44):
his rise and rise. I've got some opinions around the
burgeoning Stadius space in Christ Judge and what that means
for the rest of the country. And Clay Wilson News
talking to ZB Director of Sport, joins us in the
chamber as we pull apart a couple of the big
sports stories of the day. That's the plan, let's get
amongst In other news from the lips of the newsmakers today,
(01:10):
black Caps quick bowler Willow Rourke is down playing his
early Test success. The Express pest has taken nineteen wickets
at fifteen point five over just three Test matches, understands
the fickle nature of cricket.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I think I've got a desent's done. I mean, lucky
enough to pick up a few words.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
But you know comes and comes in ways that thinks
for tough times to come.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
And why fans news the team has notched up their
teeth consecutive t twenty I fixture loss Skippersophie Divine is
accentuating the positives though, like off spinner Eden Carson's two
for twenty nine or four for.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Example, to get out Beth Moony, one of the best
players in the world and really set the standard for US.
I thought in that powerplay, you know when you've got
Australian betters coming at your heart. The way that she
was able to control her line and link and her
pace as well, I think it shows some real positive
signs for.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
US opening that Georgia Plummer also notched up her first
half century fifty three from forty eight deliveries, so a
couple of good points and Wallaby's low. Luk Am Salaka
Loto is looking forward to Saturday's at Bledisloe Cup match
and Wellington then, where the All Blacks haven't tasted victory
cents twenty eighteen. How's that for encouraging.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Form or West New Zealand the world class outfit.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And I don't know it sounds worth to keep repeating it,
but we've got good enough on the day to win,
and so that that's on us.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
You nearly were And there are some sporting sound bites feel.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
New Scando Bean it's Force Fix with Dancy Waldegrave.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
The Warriors are going to Aututahi christ Church, The Phoenix
are going to Ututahi christ Church. The All Blacks will
go back to Aututahi christ Church. And why are they
all going back there? And why do you think they'll
continue to go back there? It's pretty obvious the wise
heads in christ just decided to build themselves a stadium.
(03:04):
Sure it's costing an absolute fortune, but it's not going
to get any cheaper. The quicker they get involved, the
quicker they get it finished, the quicker they can bear
the fruits of their labor. It's got a roof, it's
ridiculously close to the city. It's going to provide not
only a home for sport of a number of different genre,
(03:25):
it is a place that the residents of Christ Church
can call their own. As a former resident of what
to TAKEI christ Church, I'll tell you right now that
town is sports mad and they deserve a stadium of
this grangeur for their own backyard. They have done so well,
It's taken so long, but it's going to work. And
(03:46):
while is it going to pay off? And if you
couple that with the wonderful Hagley Oval, possibly the best
home of test cricket I'm slightly biased, and the whole
of our Tierroa, they have got a couple of extraordinary
sporting venues. All of this on the back of the
devastation of the earthquake which wipe the place flat slowly,
(04:08):
the residents picked themselves up from the rubble, put their
heads down, their asses up, and got things done. And
we turn around and we look to Auckland City and
wonder what on earth has taken them so much time
to get anything done. Haven't got a test cricket venue.
Are still arguing over the correct form of stadia to
(04:30):
put up where it may be, and who might pay
for it. It's a smudge on Auckland that christ Church,
in the shadow of one of the most devastating events
in New Zealand history, have stood up to do what
they have done in this space. Congratulations to tell you
christ Church it should be very very proud of yourselves.
And Auckland smack yourself in the face.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Dissecting the sporting agenda. It's Sportsfix with Darcy Waldgrave.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Talking cricket now and we're joined by Will O'Rourke who's
had while a whale of a time over in Gaul.
In fact, since picking up a ball and international. Well, cricket,
you've already put a foot wrong, Will, It's pretty easy
this Test cricket stuff, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Mate.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I wouldn't go and go that far. I think I've
had a decent start. I mean, lucky enough to pick
up a few wickets. But you know, it comes and
comes in ways, I think. So you know tough times
will come.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Prepare yourself for the bad times because they will turn up.
It's the thing about cricket, isn't it. It can be so
wonderful and it can be an absolute harshest task master
when it once.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah, exactly, I think that's the that's the beauty of it.
That's why we love playing it. I think so tough,
so tough to get those results, but you know when
they come and hopefully they do come.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
It's so special.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
You played over there and you've picked up a couple
of big bags of wickets on a deck that people
really didn't think you would have much effect on it.
It's a tweakers deck. What did you consider going into
this when you played? How did you go about your
business and go, this is what I'm going to do
and this is how it's going to work. It's quite
(06:07):
a plan.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, I think it started from when we lost the tasks.
I think both teams obviously wanted to have a bat
but as a pace by that was probably when we
were going to get the best time to bowl. So
the deck was recentably hard and it was a good,
good carry going through, so I was encouraging enough for
us to run in and try hit the deck hard,
and there were a few few rewards there for.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Us, and so you were given that. You just do
what you want, you think you can get something out
of it, You stick it in wherever you can. You're
a free reign there will.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, I guess I've been asked to bring some energy,
running hard, try and try hit the deck hard, and
I guess I'm unsettled a few people.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
So yeah, with short, sharp spells like.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
It is over here to zone in for four overs
and try give it you best.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
The way you bowled to a number of the players
when you were stressing them with those shorter deliveries, So
you're happy to carry on. I won't say it was
Neil Wagner because he just didn't stop doing that, but
you're you're comfortable pitching up when where you did, well,
sorry dropping it short where you did.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, I think my natural length, naturally is a little
bit shorter than what most people are. But yeah, as
I said, I think Gary and Jake being over here
have just asked me to be myself, and that's to
try running hard, and that means I'm slightly on the
shorter side. It's probably probably tougher to play than if
I was really trying to get it up there and
I was going floating forward it.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
So yeah, I think it's just playing my own game.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Like some of the balls you put outside and up
outside of the off stick and they stayed out there
and you leaf players reaching and of course getting out
as a direct result. That shows a little bit of
spine to do that, to leave it out there like that, I.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Think, yeah, with my natural angle coming back, and that
one that sort of holds its liners could potentially be
the danger ball. And I think with you, when I'm
angling out in quite a lot, maybe three or four
balls in a row, that one that holds its line
as well as it could easily go to the fence before.
It's a good work at taking opportunity So thanks, just balancing, balancing,
(08:05):
how you want to go about it.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Struck me as a particularly laid back individual. Will I
roll because this always been the case? Have you always
been this kind of dude that's for here to being
interviewed in post matches and it's like I thought you
were deeed. You were so relaxed. Is this the way
you roll?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah, I'm quite a side.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah. I wouldn't say as chill and relax,
you know, the nerves.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
The nerves are still there and stuff like that. But
I think i'd truck eave it pretty wellow most of
the time.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Where's the room for improvement to yourself? Relatively young in
your test career and I hope that it goes on
for a long time. You being super hard on yourself.
Where would you look to improvement?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
What?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
What don't you like about the way what you're doing
at the moment.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
I think heaps this heaps to work on.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I think a lot of the time last test, like
you said, I was probably a bit shorter than where I'd.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Ultimately want to be.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I think I think I got saved a bit by
my line just hangling it back and sort of made
it difficult.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
But if I was hard on my I think it's
just bringing that consistency.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I think if you look at my pitch map, there's
the E ball all over the place all the time.
So yeah, if I was been really hard on myself,
I think I think just beginning that consistency piece going
would probably be my biggest area of improvement.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Well, I will joining us. What do you need to
lift you think ahead of this seeking test? And is
it ideal to stay on the in the same ground
to stay in goal. It's only a short turnaround, but
I suppose you're not traveling, so it's not a bad.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I think I think it could potentially be a good
thing for us to be on the same surface. Obviously
we've seen seeing what this one did, and now now
we're prepared for that.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
And we know we know what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I think, yeah, the boys are pretty disappointed not to
get over the line. I think we had opportunities in
the game where we could have put the foot on
the throat and maybe taken it away from them, and
we didn't, didn't quite get it right. So I think
I think it's just those key moments again, just trying
to try and take those as they come and hopefully
we'll be on the other side of it next time.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
The chamber is now incision.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
John him and now in the chamber on the leaner
wherever we are, it is Clay Willson. He his news
talker Z, the director of Sport. Good day to you, Clay.
You're looking great. I hope you're feeling better.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
Greeting stars. He always a pleasure to be in the
in the chamber at the leaner wherever.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Like you say, wherever we are, we don't know any
were lost in our own heads. So let's talk a
couple of the big stories and we keep slapping out,
not literally, a bit figuratively at the White Ferns. And
what they haven't achieved for recent times is a World
Cup on the doorstep. They've been over preparing in Australia
that now is ten T twenty nine losses on the bounce.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
And going into a World Cup you want to have
I mean it's obvious, right you want to have some
kind of form behind you. But it's just this White
Ferns team. And I think we've discussed this before. The
last eighteen months, two years, probably even longer than that,
really have struggled to generate any kind of momentum, especially
against the top teams. And look, I think in all
three of these T twenties against Australia that have just finished,
(11:10):
they've got themselves into half decent positions. They're not a
terrible team. But at the elite level, at international level,
the top level of the sport, it's about winning, right
and it's fine margins and if you can't do that consistently,
then something's clearly not quite right.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Well it's the faith in at the top level, in
your top couple of inches too, isn't it. You've been
able to think that they don't believe they can actually
win now, and that is a virus running through a team.
If they think that the base of the past results,
you can understand why they would. They'd probably challenge on that,
but it's hard to disagree that they're in this rut.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Well, they say winnings their habit, but losing, you know,
is even more more than that. You know, when you
get on a losing run, sometimes it's so hard to break.
And maybe you feel like if they get to this
World Cup and they they somehow managed to pull one
out of the early on against one of the one
of the good teams, that might give them a bit
of confidence. But it's just hard to say whether that
would even be the case because the form has been
(12:06):
so below par in recent years that you just can't
see them making a run of any kind really, and
if they did, are they gonna, you know, once they
get to a quarter final or or a game of
that significance, You're just not gonna. As a fan really
has that much faith in what they're going to be
able to do. And it's a shame because you know,
this is a team we were just talking about it
(12:27):
with some greats of the game in terms of the
women's game, very likable people. But when you're losing, you're losing.
This is elite sport and we have to call a
spade of spade.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Until Nomati Green about that last weeks she accepts it's
absolutely criticize because some people kind of tiptoe through the
true lips when it comes to criticizing women and women's sport.
But I think we're beyond that. Now you're at that level,
you've got that fern. You need to be able to
take criticism because we're invested in what you're doing.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
And look, cricket is a major sport in this country,
and at the women's level and girls level, it has
been growing and there's been increased investment in it, but
it's hard for that to get any real momentum when
the flagship team of this country isn't performing that well.
You know, you've got people willing them to do well,
but the performances just aren't coming. So look, this is,
(13:17):
as I said, a topic we've discussed at length multiple
times in even recent years. So look, I guess slow
expectations for the World Cup maybe that's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
If you look at the reaction to the Bledisloe cut
that first game, you'd think the All Blacks lost. They
actually felt like that, didn't it?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
After it?
Speaker 6 (13:35):
Yeah, the first words that come out of my mouth
after that game was, well, that's a moral victory for Australia.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Because that's sort of how it felt right.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
You know, the Wallaby's coming off what are forty five
point lacking thereabouts to Argentina.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
That was eight minutes of disaster when they got four
tries scored against and the rest of it they are
probably okay, but that's a great but it speaks to where.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
The Wallabies are kind of at right. You know, you
expect the All Blacks to go in there, especially after
the start they had.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Confidence is high.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
You've smacked three tries on them in the space of
you know, twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You expect you to go on and finish the job.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
But yeah, it did kind of feel a bit deflating
for Kiwis, for a lot of Kiwis.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I'm sure watching that game in Sydney with Manster Winn.
Now they're going to Wellington, They're going to a place
where they have not tasted victory since two thousand and eighteen.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
The Capital Curse.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
That is crazy. This is a team that it looks
like Liam Napi has been writing about this. Damien McKenzie
will be relieved of his duties at first five eighth
Bowden Barrett will roll in, so the vice is starting
to turn on Scott Robertson, isn't it and you start
I'm presuming that's right. Liam's normally pretty clued up with
(14:47):
is it the right thing to do? Well?
Speaker 6 (14:49):
This has been one of the issues that's been becoming
more and more prominent in recent week, hasn't it Damien McKenzie,
Because he started all eight tests in that ten jersey.
They've given him the rope and in some instances he's
done brilliant things, and he's a brilliant player. We know
what he can do and he's shown glimpses of that.
But having that number ten jersey in the All Black
set test level choirs also for you to manage the game,
(15:11):
to not make too many mistakes, you know, to kick well,
all these kinds of things, and those parts of his
game haven't quite been there in some crucial moments and
that's cost the All Blacks at times. That's not saying
that any of these losses are solely on his shoulders,
but it certainly has been an issue that's become more
and more prominent. And I did notice Sunday after the
(15:33):
game in Sydney. The morning after press conference, Scott Robertson
got asked about Damien McKenzie and he sort of stopped
and his first response was, that's a good question. And
to me that that is quite often to tell of
someone who's thinking, oh, I need to be careful about
what I say here, And maybe was a bit of
an indicator that, like Liam's reporting that they're going to
(15:53):
lean towards taking Damien out and putting Bowden back in there.
And I guess it raises again the Richie mulonger question,
doesn't it Where are they at with that? Is he
going to come back? Because yeah, you know, Boden Barrett
provides so much utility value and we've seen what he
can do it fallback as well, So ideally that's what
you want, but it's not available to you right now.
But you need to win games at the same time you.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Do, and he doesn't. For me, Damien McKenzie install a
lot of faith. When you're in the game, you're like,
what's he going to do? He can be brilliant. It
might all just turned pair shape. And I think the
rest of the team possibly feeds off that, and if
they don't know what their command or their general was
doing and they're unsure that's going to ripple through the
team surely.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
And when have Damien McKenzie's best games, best periods of
form with the All Blacks come for him, It's been
when he's come off the bench in that role where
he's just the spark plug, tired legs, counter attack, running
through holes, creating things.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
You know.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
I'm sure he doesn't want to be pigeonholed as an
impact player, but that's really where he's been best for
the All Blacks. And he's had this eight game stretch
and like I say, he's done a lot of very
good things, but also act some crucial moments, has made
Rarors hasn't quite done what we expect him to do
or expecting All Blacks number ten to do.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
We're gonna fly always. Please to have you in the studio,
Clay Wilson, he's the director of Sport for News Talk ZB.
Thanks for your time, your knowledge, your expertise.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Oh has a pleasure dark Thank you.
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It'd be It's time Sports Fix the twenty fifth of
September twenty twenty four. My name is Darcy Walter Grave.
This is the home of all the sports news you
need to know about in a bit you probably don't
coming up in this program. Three Test matches, nineteen wickets
and an average of fifteen and a half. Will I
walk is extraordinary, He joins us shortly to talk about
(00:44):
his rise and rise. I've got some opinions around the
burgeoning Stadius space in Christ Judge and what that means
for the rest of the country. And Clay Wilson News
talking to ZB Director of Sport, joins us in the
chamber as we pull apart a couple of the big
sports stories of the day. That's the plan, let's get
amongst In other news from the lips of the newsmakers today,
(01:10):
black Caps quick bowler Willow Rourke is down playing his
early Test success. The Express pest has taken nineteen wickets
at fifteen point five over just three Test matches, understands
the fickle nature of cricket.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I think I've got a desent's done. I mean, lucky
enough to pick up a few words.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
But you know comes and comes in ways that thinks
for tough times to come.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
And why fans news the team has notched up their
teeth consecutive t twenty I fixture loss Skippersophie Divine is
accentuating the positives though, like off spinner Eden Carson's two
for twenty nine or four for.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Example, to get out Beth Moony, one of the best
players in the world and really set the standard for US.
I thought in that powerplay, you know when you've got
Australian betters coming at your heart. The way that she
was able to control her line and link and her
pace as well, I think it shows some real positive
signs for.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
US opening that Georgia Plummer also notched up her first
half century fifty three from forty eight deliveries, so a
couple of good points and Wallaby's low. Luk Am Salaka
Loto is looking forward to Saturday's at Bledisloe Cup match
and Wellington then, where the All Blacks haven't tasted victory
cents twenty eighteen. How's that for encouraging.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Form or West New Zealand the world class outfit.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And I don't know it sounds worth to keep repeating it,
but we've got good enough on the day to win,
and so that that's on us.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
You nearly were And there are some sporting sound bites feel.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
New Scando Bean it's Force Fix with Dancy Waldegrave.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
The Warriors are going to Aututahi christ Church, The Phoenix
are going to Ututahi christ Church. The All Blacks will
go back to Aututahi christ Church. And why are they
all going back there? And why do you think they'll
continue to go back there? It's pretty obvious the wise
heads in christ just decided to build themselves a stadium.
(03:04):
Sure it's costing an absolute fortune, but it's not going
to get any cheaper. The quicker they get involved, the
quicker they get it finished, the quicker they can bear
the fruits of their labor. It's got a roof, it's
ridiculously close to the city. It's going to provide not
only a home for sport of a number of different genre,
(03:25):
it is a place that the residents of Christ Church
can call their own. As a former resident of what
to TAKEI christ Church, I'll tell you right now that
town is sports mad and they deserve a stadium of
this grangeur for their own backyard. They have done so well,
It's taken so long, but it's going to work. And
(03:46):
while is it going to pay off? And if you
couple that with the wonderful Hagley Oval, possibly the best
home of test cricket I'm slightly biased, and the whole
of our Tierroa, they have got a couple of extraordinary
sporting venues. All of this on the back of the
devastation of the earthquake which wipe the place flat slowly,
(04:08):
the residents picked themselves up from the rubble, put their
heads down, their asses up, and got things done. And
we turn around and we look to Auckland City and
wonder what on earth has taken them so much time
to get anything done. Haven't got a test cricket venue.
Are still arguing over the correct form of stadia to
(04:30):
put up where it may be, and who might pay
for it. It's a smudge on Auckland that christ Church,
in the shadow of one of the most devastating events
in New Zealand history, have stood up to do what
they have done in this space. Congratulations to tell you
christ Church it should be very very proud of yourselves.
And Auckland smack yourself in the face.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Dissecting the sporting agenda. It's Sportsfix with Darcy Waldgrave.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Talking cricket now and we're joined by Will O'Rourke who's
had while a whale of a time over in Gaul.
In fact, since picking up a ball and international. Well, cricket,
you've already put a foot wrong, Will, It's pretty easy
this Test cricket stuff, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Mate.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I wouldn't go and go that far. I think I've
had a decent start. I mean, lucky enough to pick
up a few wickets. But you know, it comes and
comes in ways, I think. So you know tough times
will come.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Prepare yourself for the bad times because they will turn up.
It's the thing about cricket, isn't it. It can be so
wonderful and it can be an absolute harshest task master
when it once.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah, exactly, I think that's the that's the beauty of it.
That's why we love playing it. I think so tough,
so tough to get those results, but you know when
they come and hopefully they do come.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
It's so special.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
You played over there and you've picked up a couple
of big bags of wickets on a deck that people
really didn't think you would have much effect on it.
It's a tweakers deck. What did you consider going into
this when you played? How did you go about your
business and go, this is what I'm going to do
and this is how it's going to work. It's quite
(06:07):
a plan.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, I think it started from when we lost the tasks.
I think both teams obviously wanted to have a bat
but as a pace by that was probably when we
were going to get the best time to bowl. So
the deck was recentably hard and it was a good,
good carry going through, so I was encouraging enough for
us to run in and try hit the deck hard,
and there were a few few rewards there for.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Us, and so you were given that. You just do
what you want, you think you can get something out
of it, You stick it in wherever you can. You're
a free reign there will.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, I guess I've been asked to bring some energy,
running hard, try and try hit the deck hard, and
I guess I'm unsettled a few people.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
So yeah, with short, sharp spells like.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
It is over here to zone in for four overs
and try give it you best.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
The way you bowled to a number of the players
when you were stressing them with those shorter deliveries, So
you're happy to carry on. I won't say it was
Neil Wagner because he just didn't stop doing that, but
you're you're comfortable pitching up when where you did, well,
sorry dropping it short where you did.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, I think my natural length, naturally is a little
bit shorter than what most people are. But yeah, as
I said, I think Gary and Jake being over here
have just asked me to be myself, and that's to
try running hard, and that means I'm slightly on the
shorter side. It's probably probably tougher to play than if
I was really trying to get it up there and
I was going floating forward it.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
So yeah, I think it's just playing my own game.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Like some of the balls you put outside and up
outside of the off stick and they stayed out there
and you leaf players reaching and of course getting out
as a direct result. That shows a little bit of
spine to do that, to leave it out there like that, I.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Think, yeah, with my natural angle coming back, and that
one that sort of holds its liners could potentially be
the danger ball. And I think with you, when I'm
angling out in quite a lot, maybe three or four
balls in a row, that one that holds its line
as well as it could easily go to the fence before.
It's a good work at taking opportunity So thanks, just balancing, balancing,
(08:05):
how you want to go about it.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Struck me as a particularly laid back individual. Will I
roll because this always been the case? Have you always
been this kind of dude that's for here to being
interviewed in post matches and it's like I thought you
were deeed. You were so relaxed. Is this the way
you roll?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah, I'm quite a side.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah. I wouldn't say as chill and relax,
you know, the nerves.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
The nerves are still there and stuff like that. But
I think i'd truck eave it pretty wellow most of
the time.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Where's the room for improvement to yourself? Relatively young in
your test career and I hope that it goes on
for a long time. You being super hard on yourself.
Where would you look to improvement?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
What?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
What don't you like about the way what you're doing
at the moment.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
I think heaps this heaps to work on.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I think a lot of the time last test, like
you said, I was probably a bit shorter than where I'd.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Ultimately want to be.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I think I think I got saved a bit by
my line just hangling it back and sort of made
it difficult.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
But if I was hard on my I think it's
just bringing that consistency.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I think if you look at my pitch map, there's
the E ball all over the place all the time.
So yeah, if I was been really hard on myself,
I think I think just beginning that consistency piece going
would probably be my biggest area of improvement.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Well, I will joining us. What do you need to
lift you think ahead of this seeking test? And is
it ideal to stay on the in the same ground
to stay in goal. It's only a short turnaround, but
I suppose you're not traveling, so it's not a bad.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I think I think it could potentially be a good
thing for us to be on the same surface. Obviously
we've seen seeing what this one did, and now now
we're prepared for that.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
And we know we know what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I think, yeah, the boys are pretty disappointed not to
get over the line. I think we had opportunities in
the game where we could have put the foot on
the throat and maybe taken it away from them, and
we didn't, didn't quite get it right. So I think
I think it's just those key moments again, just trying
to try and take those as they come and hopefully
we'll be on the other side of it next time.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
The chamber is now incision.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
John him and now in the chamber on the leaner
wherever we are, it is Clay Willson. He his news
talker Z, the director of Sport. Good day to you, Clay.
You're looking great. I hope you're feeling better.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
Greeting stars. He always a pleasure to be in the
in the chamber at the leaner wherever.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Like you say, wherever we are, we don't know any
were lost in our own heads. So let's talk a
couple of the big stories and we keep slapping out,
not literally, a bit figuratively at the White Ferns. And
what they haven't achieved for recent times is a World
Cup on the doorstep. They've been over preparing in Australia
that now is ten T twenty nine losses on the bounce.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
And going into a World Cup you want to have
I mean it's obvious, right you want to have some
kind of form behind you. But it's just this White
Ferns team. And I think we've discussed this before. The
last eighteen months, two years, probably even longer than that,
really have struggled to generate any kind of momentum, especially
against the top teams. And look, I think in all
three of these T twenties against Australia that have just finished,
(11:10):
they've got themselves into half decent positions. They're not a
terrible team. But at the elite level, at international level,
the top level of the sport, it's about winning, right
and it's fine margins and if you can't do that consistently,
then something's clearly not quite right.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Well it's the faith in at the top level, in
your top couple of inches too, isn't it. You've been
able to think that they don't believe they can actually
win now, and that is a virus running through a team.
If they think that the base of the past results,
you can understand why they would. They'd probably challenge on that,
but it's hard to disagree that they're in this rut.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Well, they say winnings their habit, but losing, you know,
is even more more than that. You know, when you
get on a losing run, sometimes it's so hard to break.
And maybe you feel like if they get to this
World Cup and they they somehow managed to pull one
out of the early on against one of the one
of the good teams, that might give them a bit
of confidence. But it's just hard to say whether that
would even be the case because the form has been
(12:06):
so below par in recent years that you just can't
see them making a run of any kind really, and
if they did, are they gonna, you know, once they
get to a quarter final or or a game of
that significance, You're just not gonna. As a fan really
has that much faith in what they're going to be
able to do. And it's a shame because you know,
this is a team we were just talking about it
(12:27):
with some greats of the game in terms of the
women's game, very likable people. But when you're losing, you're losing.
This is elite sport and we have to call a
spade of spade.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Until Nomati Green about that last weeks she accepts it's
absolutely criticize because some people kind of tiptoe through the
true lips when it comes to criticizing women and women's sport.
But I think we're beyond that. Now you're at that level,
you've got that fern. You need to be able to
take criticism because we're invested in what you're doing.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
And look, cricket is a major sport in this country,
and at the women's level and girls level, it has
been growing and there's been increased investment in it, but
it's hard for that to get any real momentum when
the flagship team of this country isn't performing that well.
You know, you've got people willing them to do well,
but the performances just aren't coming. So look, this is,
(13:17):
as I said, a topic we've discussed at length multiple
times in even recent years. So look, I guess slow
expectations for the World Cup maybe that's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
If you look at the reaction to the Bledisloe cut
that first game, you'd think the All Blacks lost. They
actually felt like that, didn't it?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
After it?
Speaker 6 (13:35):
Yeah, the first words that come out of my mouth
after that game was, well, that's a moral victory for Australia.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Because that's sort of how it felt right.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
You know, the Wallaby's coming off what are forty five
point lacking thereabouts to Argentina.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
That was eight minutes of disaster when they got four
tries scored against and the rest of it they are
probably okay, but that's a great but it speaks to where.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
The Wallabies are kind of at right. You know, you
expect the All Blacks to go in there, especially after
the start they had.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Confidence is high.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
You've smacked three tries on them in the space of
you know, twenty minutes.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You expect you to go on and finish the job.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
But yeah, it did kind of feel a bit deflating
for Kiwis, for a lot of Kiwis.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I'm sure watching that game in Sydney with Manster Winn.
Now they're going to Wellington, They're going to a place
where they have not tasted victory since two thousand and eighteen.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
The Capital Curse.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
That is crazy. This is a team that it looks
like Liam Napi has been writing about this. Damien McKenzie
will be relieved of his duties at first five eighth
Bowden Barrett will roll in, so the vice is starting
to turn on Scott Robertson, isn't it and you start
I'm presuming that's right. Liam's normally pretty clued up with
(14:47):
is it the right thing to do? Well?
Speaker 6 (14:49):
This has been one of the issues that's been becoming
more and more prominent in recent week, hasn't it Damien McKenzie,
Because he started all eight tests in that ten jersey.
They've given him the rope and in some instances he's
done brilliant things, and he's a brilliant player. We know
what he can do and he's shown glimpses of that.
But having that number ten jersey in the All Black
set test level choirs also for you to manage the game,
(15:11):
to not make too many mistakes, you know, to kick well,
all these kinds of things, and those parts of his
game haven't quite been there in some crucial moments and
that's cost the All Blacks at times. That's not saying
that any of these losses are solely on his shoulders,
but it certainly has been an issue that's become more
and more prominent. And I did notice Sunday after the
(15:33):
game in Sydney. The morning after press conference, Scott Robertson
got asked about Damien McKenzie and he sort of stopped
and his first response was, that's a good question. And
to me that that is quite often to tell of
someone who's thinking, oh, I need to be careful about
what I say here, And maybe was a bit of
an indicator that, like Liam's reporting that they're going to
(15:53):
lean towards taking Damien out and putting Bowden back in there.
And I guess it raises again the Richie mulonger question,
doesn't it Where are they at with that? Is he
going to come back? Because yeah, you know, Boden Barrett
provides so much utility value and we've seen what he
can do it fallback as well, So ideally that's what
you want, but it's not available to you right now.
But you need to win games at the same time you.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Do, and he doesn't. For me, Damien McKenzie install a
lot of faith. When you're in the game, you're like,
what's he going to do? He can be brilliant. It
might all just turned pair shape. And I think the
rest of the team possibly feeds off that, and if
they don't know what their command or their general was
doing and they're unsure that's going to ripple through the
team surely.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
And when have Damien McKenzie's best games, best periods of
form with the All Blacks come for him, It's been
when he's come off the bench in that role where
he's just the spark plug, tired legs, counter attack, running
through holes, creating things.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
You know.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
I'm sure he doesn't want to be pigeonholed as an
impact player, but that's really where he's been best for
the All Blacks. And he's had this eight game stretch
and like I say, he's done a lot of very
good things, but also act some crucial moments, has made
Rarors hasn't quite done what we expect him to do
or expecting All Blacks number ten to do.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
We're gonna fly always. Please to have you in the studio,
Clay Wilson, he's the director of Sport for News Talk ZB.
Thanks for your time, your knowledge, your expertise.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
Oh has a pleasure dark Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
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Speaker 2 (17:22):
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