December 4, 2024 • 18 mins
On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave and Jason Pine for Thursday 5 December 2024, former Black Caps coach Mike Hesson talks about why the Black Caps won't pick spinners for home tests.
D'Arcy delivers an opinion piece on the All Blacks' failed USA venture.
Plus, the lads join the panel to discuss why Auckland FC has seen such huge success.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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This is Sportsfix.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Howard by News Talk said, be hello there, and welcome
into a fresh episode of the Sports Fixed podcast. It's
wonderful to have you listening in. It is Thursday, deceventh,
the fifth. I Jason Pine, I remember you. You used
to work here.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Where have you been not working?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I can tell you that, but it is very pleasant
to be back and your company does.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
I'm great to have you back on board as well.
I think people were second me running solo on this podcast,
so welcome back. What are we doing today? What have
we got?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Well, there's a big cricket test coming our way tomorrow
from my neck of the woods, the base and reserve.
In fact, if I just crane my neck, I can
see the ra Varance stand from here, an unchanged eleven.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
What do we make of this?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
We can kick it around, but let's get a let's
get an expert on to talk about it.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Yeah, Mike Hessen is going to join us. Seeing those
more than a few things about coaching and selecting international
cricket teams. He had some success, so I will put
that to a talk a little bit about overrates till
though we're probably tired of that right now and catching
now we're sick of that as well. Maybe we'll just
talk about the team selection we.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Do that, the juggernaut that is Auckland FC, and a
little bit of rugby in there for you as well.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
So let's get into it.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
In other news, let's start.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
By checking out some of the biggest sports stories around today.
The black Caps will go with the same eleven for
the second cricket Test at the Basemin Reserve starting tomorrow
as the one which lost the first Test at Hagle
Oval by eight wickets. They've decided against including spinner Mitch
Santner his captain Tom Latham.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
We obviously saw last year that the wicket took a
little bit of spin, which sort of surprised us a
little bit. But going by the games here, the Wellington games,
first class games, yeah, I think the balance that we've
gone in with is the right balance for this for
this wicket.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Joseph Park has revealed his vision for the end of
his professional boxing career. He'll battle Brits Daniel Dubois for
the IBF heavyweight title in February in Saudi e Ray.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I feel like I'm a lot more mature and I
will appreciate it, and my goal is to keep that
belt once. I want it be nice to finish off
at the top, finish off from the boxing world, at
the top of my game. Champion of the World or
unifaidal undisputed.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
And Manchester City boss Pep Guardiola hailing the return of
attacking midfielder Kevin de Bruyne to his starting lineup after
they snapped their seven game winless.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Run with a three meal victory over Nottingham Forest.
Speaker 7 (02:32):
I'm so happy for him. Last season was many months
injured decision as well, so I'm so happy he's back.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
And he fought a lout.
Speaker 7 (02:39):
He worked himself to his back and the physicality and
he played seventy fantastic minutes leading a VIX.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
We've got just a ticket. It's Sports Vix now by
News Talks IVY.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Mike Heston Joins is now forming his own coach as
we take a look at the second test of only
three per summer. That's the way it is, Mike. Good
day to you, sir, or trust.
Speaker 8 (03:02):
You well, Hey you very well, thanks does he It's.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
All I like to hear, So I suppose the story
he wants a few of them around this, but the
team is not going to have a spinner. We all
thought Mitchell Santa was going to get a roll because
he got put up to the media. Normally that's the case,
but they tricked us. They're running with four seemas. But
what's your initial reaction to that move.
Speaker 8 (03:21):
Look, I guess there's always going to be an into
the wind option, So I guess if you've got a
seama that can do that job. I mean, New Zealand
had Neil Wagner for years who was able to still
create opportunities while running into the wind. So if they
feel they' got seemas to do that, if they don't
think that there's going to be enough wind and sun
to sort of dry the pitch out, then I guess
(03:43):
with Phillips and Ruts and Revenger, they've got the luxury
of not having to play a front line spinner in
terms of Mitchell Satner. So I'm sure they would have
waidh all those things up.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
And when you're going into a test in your experience
and looking at whether you bring a spinner or not,
looking at the deck. It's kind of hard to predict,
isn't it what the deck is going to do? So
what are their base selections like that on like when
you were doing it.
Speaker 8 (04:06):
Look, the reality is in New Zealand. It's at the
main venues in test cricket. The ball doesn't spin because
they have to leave enough grass on it to give
it pace. And that's you know, the last ten years
our results, you know, playing the seamers have been.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
The way to go.
Speaker 8 (04:24):
But the difference of the basin is the wind. As
I said, so I guess you look at the forecast
and that's obviously unproven as we all know, but forecast
gives you a bit of an indication as to I
guess how much it's going to dry out. And often
the greener the grass is to start, the quicker it'll
dry out. Because you've got live grass. It needs to
suck the moisture out of the surface. So often if
(04:47):
you see greener grass, then you know it's going to
dry out quicker.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
We had aastally taking wickets last week, and of course
you also remember why Ayton Lyon came over and wasn't tenfold,
wasn't it? He did particularly well we're kind of flying
in the face of common knowledge, so that be maybe
haunting or spooking the black Cats. Mike.
Speaker 8 (05:04):
I mean, I think if you watched this year this
is wickets last week, you certainly wouldn't think they were
genuine spinner's wickets. I mean, he gets bounced, but you
know he got some he got some soft dismissals against
spin and that was generally just through the fact that
black Caps tried to take him on. And you know
he's got wickets with full tsses and all sorts of things.
(05:25):
Nathan Lyon got drift and the one thing that you
will get at the base and reservers drift. So if
you've got a good front line spinner who can get
the ball to move in the air, then it doesn't
necessarily have to turn square. It just has to turn
enough to change the angles. So look, I mean, you
look at New Zealand's record the last twelve years at home,
(05:46):
spinners just haven't done the job, and the record at
home for the black Caps has been exceptional. So it
would have to be really conditions where you think the
spinner has to play in order for New Zealand to
do it over here.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
So you're quite happy with the four seamers with a
couple of backup tweakers to go in there. That sits
well with you, Mike Hessen.
Speaker 8 (06:02):
Well, as I said, you look at history and you
suggest the last twelve years we've won matches without a
front line spinner and we've got the luxury of having
Phillips and Ruts and Revenger in the side anyway, So
if the ball spins towards the back end of the match,
then we can deal with that. The other problem with
having four seems is you overrate. As you would have seen.
New Zealand got doc points because of their slow overrate,
(06:25):
and not playing a spin is going to make that challenging.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
You took the words right out of my mouth. That's
been the story. It's been interesting when you consider that
they can get ninety overs through but it seems that
the punishment has done not enough to make players or
teams be concerned about it. Is this a genuine issue?
Do you think ICC need to come down harder with
what they do, like losing wickets, losing runs if you
(06:48):
don't come to the party with your overrate, Oh.
Speaker 8 (06:50):
Look, I don't think so. I think that it's actually
got a lot better the last four or five years.
I think the ICC have done They've come down really hard,
and I mean the worst thing they can do is
dock your points. And I mean Australia missed out on
a World Championship final because of our over eight, as
have other teams in the past as well. So there
are severe penalties. But I mean when the match finishes
before the end of the fourth day, there's obviously a
(07:12):
lot of wickets, there's a lot of reviews, there's all
sorts of things that come into come into account. I
certainly don't think sides should be docked over eight in
matches that don't finish in a draw. You know, the
game is moving fast enough, the crowd of getting plenty
of entertainment. I think it can be a yeah, I
(07:32):
think it can be a bit of a curse of
commentators sometimes when they just go on and on about
having to work over time. I think it's just the
reality of all of the things with drs and the
different angles and all those sort of things that seem
to slow things down.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
I wonder a retrospective judgment more than anything that the
game finished within four days, so we're not going to
bother finding anybody. But then you go to the other
fans being taken advantage of when they're watching on TV
or watching it at the ground. Does that need to
be taken into consideration. Of course there's the commercial consideration too,
about how many ads get to get played and so
(08:10):
on and so forth. Is that worth worth a look?
Speaker 8 (08:13):
Well, I think you just don't get ads between overs
now like you used to with paid TV, so they
get the ads in any way. So look, I just
think it's a it's a mantra that keeps getting brought
out by you know, basically for something to talk about
it for game slow. So I mean, the reality is
there are more results now than ever. So the fact
that you get eighty seven overs rather than ninety in
(08:35):
a day, but you get pure entertainment I know what
I'd prefer.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
And on that we bid you fare well always great
Mike Hessen to tap into your knowledge and experience. We
appreciate it, mate. You enjoy the next five days. Of
course we've got Test cricket here and then there's Pinkball
day Night cricket after that. So it's goodbye to the fans.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
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Speaker 5 (09:04):
Go on in z are I dare take a test
match to the provinces. Found out today that the Frenchman
yeah nah when it comes to sending whatever team it
is they're going to scend to this side of the world,
say yeah na to going and playing a match against
the All Blacks in the United States of America. Okay,
(09:26):
money is being lost. If indeed it was going to
go ahead, let's not forget Insidar did not confirm this.
It was a plan and an idea that they floated.
I think we understand why complained before though about the
All Blacks and whose team they actually are. The test
matches that are set down at home, they should be
(09:47):
played at home. I know it's the shop window. I
know the money in the future is going to be
made by sending the rock Star, sending the top of
the pyramid away overseas to play test matches to engage
fans globally. I get that that's where the money is
at the home tests. Keep them here are our team
(10:08):
play for us? Get that good? So if the French
decide and they have not to go to the United
States of America, which means there are going to be
three tests over here against the French. Again, regardless of
the strength of the side, it's still three test matches.
Take one of those test matches to the provinces, maybe
(10:30):
even not that deep, maybe the Whykathor take it to
FMG Stadium. But let's go a little more out. Let's
go to Trafalgar Park in Nelson. Let's go to McClain
Park in Napier wait Yarro Stadium. Take a Test match there.
Start giving the wider public what they deserve, which is
a look firsthand at the All Blacks go on Inza D.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Into the Chamber we go. We gather to chat sport.
At this part of the podcast, let's talk about this
test tomorrow. We've heard the views of Mike Hessen eleven.
When I found out earlier today that it was going
to be the same eleven, I can't say I was
enormously surprised.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Ar See.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
However, when a player gets put up for media during
the week, thank you.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
That's definitely I was about to say that that's such
a media thing to say, it's we work to a
different beat, don't we.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Let us take you behind the curtain here.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
When a player is put up for media a couple
of days before a game, you automatically assume that player
will be involved in said game.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
It's not going to be the case. What do you
make of the decision to I.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Mean, I put the media stuff to one side, us
to leave Mitchell Saton out of the eleven.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
I like the fact that it places some possibly some
pressure on Ratchen Revendra and on Glenn Phillips. Glenn Phillips
thrives under pressure. They, let's face it, so they've got
those backups. It's how they go about running their seemas
when they bowl, where they bowl, what they bowl into,
so and so forth. So a bit of juggling there,
(12:04):
but they do have backup. And we probably shouldn't be
to spook about what Nathan Lyon did their last time,
because you know, he's a freak.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
If I'm spooked about anything, though, I'm spooked about the
fact that a year ago they misread this pitch and
they needed Glenn Phillips in the second innings to boil
them out with his five foot He didn't even bowl
the first innings to ask remember, he was ever considered
an option in the first things. Meantime, Nathan Lyon is
just say he's taking ten for Australia, but he is
a freak. Any danger they'll misread the pitch again.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
You'd think not, You'd hope not. The idea is there
are lessons and you learn things from said lessons, and
the nature of the deck, you'd think by now they
would know what they're doing. But look, let's face it,
push that to one side. Who cares what the deck's doing?
Can we catch?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
That is a very good question and I would have
to hope, wouldn't you have to hope that they can't
possibly be as bad again? Eight dropped catches, including five
off the bloke who got the biggest score of the game.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Well, I thought they would only have one day of horror,
and then they started the next day by grasping a couples.
I don't know if I want to go that far.
Surely surely not, surely surely not.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Well, I mean it's an intriguing test in prospect. England unchanged,
New Zealand unchanged. Aside from the catching we've talked about
and the need to do you see, Jacob orum Cook
put quite a positive spin on it yesterday he said, well,
at least we're creating the chances the one not good
on them for doing it, hey, question from your viewpoint
as well.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
The Phuta car was out in full flight.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Yet they are they are a flight.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, yeah, nothing says Nothing says summer like Porterkawa at
the baseminent reserve for a test match year and so
good looking forward to it tomorrow eleven o'clock start.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Let's move on to a couple of other matters.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
New Zealand rugby wanted to take one of the three
tests against France next year to the United States. The
French have said no, not we are not at home
to this. I'm not quite sure what to think about that.
I'm still trying to get over the fact it's not
even going to be a proper French team coming.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Well, that's do we really care? Look, New Zealand Rugby
didn't issue anything that said this is about happening, did they.
It was, it was rumored, it was thought about, it
was a consideration. It wasn't locked in stone, so I
don't think there's a embarrassment there. Good on them for
floating the idea. The question is now they're probably looking
at their beans and going even if it was a
(14:24):
French f team, we probably would have made more money
over there. So back to the counter's going, Okay, who
wants this this test that we were willing to give
away to America?
Speaker 4 (14:35):
That's isn't it.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
That's that's that's the conversation now that they're going to
have to have the big ticket items next year. It
dous as they always are. But let's look up. Obviously
there'll be a test here for that and.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
I mean, look how good those Australians too, aren't they?
You saying that Irish game? Ah, oh, here we go,
here's trouble.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
So that's that's big ticket. Two tests against South Africa
here next year, those two are big ticket.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
It's almost as though if.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
You're one of it's almost like a consolation price to
get the frontce Sea team, isn't it if you're a
I don't know if you're a Hamilton, if you're a
Dunedin christ which won't be quite ready, so that doesn't
coming too the equation or is it an opportunity for
Nelson or somewhere like that New Plymouth to host a
rugby test again?
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Hawk's Bay get some love to the provinces remember when
they had two Tests and Wellington last year, the first
tie up against Argentina the second against the Australia. No
one turned up to the first Test, so that opportunity
to look at the provinces and go, we care about
you as well, We really do. And yep, maybe it's
not the best French team in the world, but look out,
(15:37):
all blacks, come and watch. I think that's the best
thing they could do.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
So six test matches, I'm saying, five venues I reckon
to at Eden Park and I tell you what if
we don't host South Africa and the first test that
they're here of the two at Eden Park, we're doing.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
It wrong, all right? Then I'll leave that with you.
You better bring up Matt Robinson ever crack at him, pliny.
I're a very respected sports journalists, mate. Don't underestimate you
pull all right?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Just before we go, all roads lead to go Media
Mount Smart that is on Saturday, drby two point zero.
What do you make of this Auckland FC juggernaut. You're
up closer to it than I am. It just seems
to have monstered the city.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
It has and it comes back. I think it's very
simple and Fred de Jong touched on it at the
start of the season when I interviewed him what has
to happen, and he said, oh, win, that was it.
And they're winning, and they're winning, and they're winning late,
but they're winning and they keep winning, and we love winners.
Of course, you can't to pile out. And it's not
(16:36):
way up in the North Shore or way down pooky Coy.
It's it's a relatively easy is to get to. But winning,
that's that's all sports about, right Piney.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
So I guess the interesting question then is when inevitably
they might win. They might win every game, but inevitably
when teams go through pecks and troughs. So are you
saying the bandwagon empties out off the back of a
couple of defeats.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Well, it didn't to the Wars, or it has done previously.
The energy around it, and I think the attachment that
they've got with families is really important too, and I
don't know if that will stop. Look if they string
together three or four rotten defeats where they get hammered,
maybe people might lose interest. But at the moment, it's summer,
(17:19):
the weather's good, it's a great place to watch any
form of rectangle sport, isn't it? But go media and
again they are winning and we love winners. There's a lot,
but the big thing for me is get the w
people love success.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, indeed and THEE. We'll be able to chat more
about it tomorrow. We've run out of time in the
chamber today, so it is time for.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Us to depart.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
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This is Sportsfix.
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Howard by News Talk said, be hello there, and welcome
into a fresh episode of the Sports Fixed podcast. It's
wonderful to have you listening in. It is Thursday, deceventh,
the fifth. I Jason Pine, I remember you. You used
to work here.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Where have you been not working?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I can tell you that, but it is very pleasant
to be back and your company does.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
I'm great to have you back on board as well.
I think people were second me running solo on this podcast,
so welcome back. What are we doing today? What have
we got?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Well, there's a big cricket test coming our way tomorrow
from my neck of the woods, the base and reserve.
In fact, if I just crane my neck, I can
see the ra Varance stand from here, an unchanged eleven.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
What do we make of this?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
We can kick it around, but let's get a let's
get an expert on to talk about it.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Yeah, Mike Hessen is going to join us. Seeing those
more than a few things about coaching and selecting international
cricket teams. He had some success, so I will put
that to a talk a little bit about overrates till
though we're probably tired of that right now and catching
now we're sick of that as well. Maybe we'll just
talk about the team selection we.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Do that, the juggernaut that is Auckland FC, and a
little bit of rugby in there for you as well.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
So let's get into it.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
In other news, let's start.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
By checking out some of the biggest sports stories around today.
The black Caps will go with the same eleven for
the second cricket Test at the Basemin Reserve starting tomorrow
as the one which lost the first Test at Hagle
Oval by eight wickets. They've decided against including spinner Mitch
Santner his captain Tom Latham.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
We obviously saw last year that the wicket took a
little bit of spin, which sort of surprised us a
little bit. But going by the games here, the Wellington games,
first class games, yeah, I think the balance that we've
gone in with is the right balance for this for
this wicket.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Joseph Park has revealed his vision for the end of
his professional boxing career. He'll battle Brits Daniel Dubois for
the IBF heavyweight title in February in Saudi e Ray.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I feel like I'm a lot more mature and I
will appreciate it, and my goal is to keep that
belt once. I want it be nice to finish off
at the top, finish off from the boxing world, at
the top of my game. Champion of the World or
unifaidal undisputed.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
And Manchester City boss Pep Guardiola hailing the return of
attacking midfielder Kevin de Bruyne to his starting lineup after
they snapped their seven game winless.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Run with a three meal victory over Nottingham Forest.
Speaker 7 (02:32):
I'm so happy for him. Last season was many months
injured decision as well, so I'm so happy he's back.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
And he fought a lout.
Speaker 7 (02:39):
He worked himself to his back and the physicality and
he played seventy fantastic minutes leading a VIX.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
We've got just a ticket. It's Sports Vix now by
News Talks IVY.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Mike Heston Joins is now forming his own coach as
we take a look at the second test of only
three per summer. That's the way it is, Mike. Good
day to you, sir, or trust.
Speaker 8 (03:02):
You well, Hey you very well, thanks does he It's.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
All I like to hear, So I suppose the story
he wants a few of them around this, but the
team is not going to have a spinner. We all
thought Mitchell Santa was going to get a roll because
he got put up to the media. Normally that's the case,
but they tricked us. They're running with four seemas. But
what's your initial reaction to that move.
Speaker 8 (03:21):
Look, I guess there's always going to be an into
the wind option, So I guess if you've got a
seama that can do that job. I mean, New Zealand
had Neil Wagner for years who was able to still
create opportunities while running into the wind. So if they
feel they' got seemas to do that, if they don't
think that there's going to be enough wind and sun
to sort of dry the pitch out, then I guess
(03:43):
with Phillips and Ruts and Revenger, they've got the luxury
of not having to play a front line spinner in
terms of Mitchell Satner. So I'm sure they would have
waidh all those things up.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
And when you're going into a test in your experience
and looking at whether you bring a spinner or not,
looking at the deck. It's kind of hard to predict,
isn't it what the deck is going to do? So
what are their base selections like that on like when
you were doing it.
Speaker 8 (04:06):
Look, the reality is in New Zealand. It's at the
main venues in test cricket. The ball doesn't spin because
they have to leave enough grass on it to give
it pace. And that's you know, the last ten years
our results, you know, playing the seamers have been.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
The way to go.
Speaker 8 (04:24):
But the difference of the basin is the wind. As
I said, so I guess you look at the forecast
and that's obviously unproven as we all know, but forecast
gives you a bit of an indication as to I
guess how much it's going to dry out. And often
the greener the grass is to start, the quicker it'll
dry out. Because you've got live grass. It needs to
suck the moisture out of the surface. So often if
(04:47):
you see greener grass, then you know it's going to
dry out quicker.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
We had aastally taking wickets last week, and of course
you also remember why Ayton Lyon came over and wasn't tenfold,
wasn't it? He did particularly well we're kind of flying
in the face of common knowledge, so that be maybe
haunting or spooking the black Cats. Mike.
Speaker 8 (05:04):
I mean, I think if you watched this year this
is wickets last week, you certainly wouldn't think they were
genuine spinner's wickets. I mean, he gets bounced, but you
know he got some he got some soft dismissals against
spin and that was generally just through the fact that
black Caps tried to take him on. And you know
he's got wickets with full tsses and all sorts of things.
(05:25):
Nathan Lyon got drift and the one thing that you
will get at the base and reservers drift. So if
you've got a good front line spinner who can get
the ball to move in the air, then it doesn't
necessarily have to turn square. It just has to turn
enough to change the angles. So look, I mean, you
look at New Zealand's record the last twelve years at home,
(05:46):
spinners just haven't done the job, and the record at
home for the black Caps has been exceptional. So it
would have to be really conditions where you think the
spinner has to play in order for New Zealand to
do it over here.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
So you're quite happy with the four seamers with a
couple of backup tweakers to go in there. That sits
well with you, Mike Hessen.
Speaker 8 (06:02):
Well, as I said, you look at history and you
suggest the last twelve years we've won matches without a
front line spinner and we've got the luxury of having
Phillips and Ruts and Revenger in the side anyway, So
if the ball spins towards the back end of the match,
then we can deal with that. The other problem with
having four seems is you overrate. As you would have seen.
New Zealand got doc points because of their slow overrate,
(06:25):
and not playing a spin is going to make that challenging.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
You took the words right out of my mouth. That's
been the story. It's been interesting when you consider that
they can get ninety overs through but it seems that
the punishment has done not enough to make players or
teams be concerned about it. Is this a genuine issue?
Do you think ICC need to come down harder with
what they do, like losing wickets, losing runs if you
(06:48):
don't come to the party with your overrate, Oh.
Speaker 8 (06:50):
Look, I don't think so. I think that it's actually
got a lot better the last four or five years.
I think the ICC have done They've come down really hard,
and I mean the worst thing they can do is
dock your points. And I mean Australia missed out on
a World Championship final because of our over eight, as
have other teams in the past as well. So there
are severe penalties. But I mean when the match finishes
before the end of the fourth day, there's obviously a
(07:12):
lot of wickets, there's a lot of reviews, there's all
sorts of things that come into come into account. I
certainly don't think sides should be docked over eight in
matches that don't finish in a draw. You know, the
game is moving fast enough, the crowd of getting plenty
of entertainment. I think it can be a yeah, I
(07:32):
think it can be a bit of a curse of
commentators sometimes when they just go on and on about
having to work over time. I think it's just the
reality of all of the things with drs and the
different angles and all those sort of things that seem
to slow things down.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
I wonder a retrospective judgment more than anything that the
game finished within four days, so we're not going to
bother finding anybody. But then you go to the other
fans being taken advantage of when they're watching on TV
or watching it at the ground. Does that need to
be taken into consideration. Of course there's the commercial consideration too,
about how many ads get to get played and so
(08:10):
on and so forth. Is that worth worth a look?
Speaker 8 (08:13):
Well, I think you just don't get ads between overs
now like you used to with paid TV, so they
get the ads in any way. So look, I just
think it's a it's a mantra that keeps getting brought
out by you know, basically for something to talk about
it for game slow. So I mean, the reality is
there are more results now than ever. So the fact
that you get eighty seven overs rather than ninety in
(08:35):
a day, but you get pure entertainment I know what
I'd prefer.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
And on that we bid you fare well always great
Mike Hessen to tap into your knowledge and experience. We
appreciate it, mate. You enjoy the next five days. Of
course we've got Test cricket here and then there's Pinkball
day Night cricket after that. So it's goodbye to the fans.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
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Speaker 5 (09:04):
Go on in z are I dare take a test
match to the provinces. Found out today that the Frenchman
yeah nah when it comes to sending whatever team it
is they're going to scend to this side of the world,
say yeah na to going and playing a match against
the All Blacks in the United States of America. Okay,
(09:26):
money is being lost. If indeed it was going to
go ahead, let's not forget Insidar did not confirm this.
It was a plan and an idea that they floated.
I think we understand why complained before though about the
All Blacks and whose team they actually are. The test
matches that are set down at home, they should be
(09:47):
played at home. I know it's the shop window. I
know the money in the future is going to be
made by sending the rock Star, sending the top of
the pyramid away overseas to play test matches to engage
fans globally. I get that that's where the money is
at the home tests. Keep them here are our team
(10:08):
play for us? Get that good? So if the French
decide and they have not to go to the United
States of America, which means there are going to be
three tests over here against the French. Again, regardless of
the strength of the side, it's still three test matches.
Take one of those test matches to the provinces, maybe
(10:30):
even not that deep, maybe the Whykathor take it to
FMG Stadium. But let's go a little more out. Let's
go to Trafalgar Park in Nelson. Let's go to McClain
Park in Napier wait Yarro Stadium. Take a Test match there.
Start giving the wider public what they deserve, which is
a look firsthand at the All Blacks go on Inza D.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Into the Chamber we go. We gather to chat sport.
At this part of the podcast, let's talk about this
test tomorrow. We've heard the views of Mike Hessen eleven.
When I found out earlier today that it was going
to be the same eleven, I can't say I was
enormously surprised.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Ar See.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
However, when a player gets put up for media during
the week, thank you.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
That's definitely I was about to say that that's such
a media thing to say, it's we work to a
different beat, don't we.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Let us take you behind the curtain here.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
When a player is put up for media a couple
of days before a game, you automatically assume that player
will be involved in said game.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
It's not going to be the case. What do you
make of the decision to I.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Mean, I put the media stuff to one side, us
to leave Mitchell Saton out of the eleven.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
I like the fact that it places some possibly some
pressure on Ratchen Revendra and on Glenn Phillips. Glenn Phillips
thrives under pressure. They, let's face it, so they've got
those backups. It's how they go about running their seemas
when they bowl, where they bowl, what they bowl into,
so and so forth. So a bit of juggling there,
(12:04):
but they do have backup. And we probably shouldn't be
to spook about what Nathan Lyon did their last time,
because you know, he's a freak.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
If I'm spooked about anything, though, I'm spooked about the
fact that a year ago they misread this pitch and
they needed Glenn Phillips in the second innings to boil
them out with his five foot He didn't even bowl
the first innings to ask remember, he was ever considered
an option in the first things. Meantime, Nathan Lyon is
just say he's taking ten for Australia, but he is
a freak. Any danger they'll misread the pitch again.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
You'd think not, You'd hope not. The idea is there
are lessons and you learn things from said lessons, and
the nature of the deck, you'd think by now they
would know what they're doing. But look, let's face it,
push that to one side. Who cares what the deck's doing?
Can we catch?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
That is a very good question and I would have
to hope, wouldn't you have to hope that they can't
possibly be as bad again? Eight dropped catches, including five
off the bloke who got the biggest score of the game.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Well, I thought they would only have one day of horror,
and then they started the next day by grasping a couples.
I don't know if I want to go that far.
Surely surely not, surely surely not.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Well, I mean it's an intriguing test in prospect. England unchanged,
New Zealand unchanged. Aside from the catching we've talked about
and the need to do you see, Jacob orum Cook
put quite a positive spin on it yesterday he said, well,
at least we're creating the chances the one not good
on them for doing it, hey, question from your viewpoint
as well.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
The Phuta car was out in full flight.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Yet they are they are a flight.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, yeah, nothing says Nothing says summer like Porterkawa at
the baseminent reserve for a test match year and so
good looking forward to it tomorrow eleven o'clock start.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Let's move on to a couple of other matters.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
New Zealand rugby wanted to take one of the three
tests against France next year to the United States. The
French have said no, not we are not at home
to this. I'm not quite sure what to think about that.
I'm still trying to get over the fact it's not
even going to be a proper French team coming.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Well, that's do we really care? Look, New Zealand Rugby
didn't issue anything that said this is about happening, did they.
It was, it was rumored, it was thought about, it
was a consideration. It wasn't locked in stone, so I
don't think there's a embarrassment there. Good on them for
floating the idea. The question is now they're probably looking
at their beans and going even if it was a
(14:24):
French f team, we probably would have made more money
over there. So back to the counter's going, Okay, who
wants this this test that we were willing to give
away to America?
Speaker 4 (14:35):
That's isn't it.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
That's that's that's the conversation now that they're going to
have to have the big ticket items next year. It
dous as they always are. But let's look up. Obviously
there'll be a test here for that and.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
I mean, look how good those Australians too, aren't they?
You saying that Irish game? Ah, oh, here we go,
here's trouble.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
So that's that's big ticket. Two tests against South Africa
here next year, those two are big ticket.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
It's almost as though if.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
You're one of it's almost like a consolation price to
get the frontce Sea team, isn't it if you're a
I don't know if you're a Hamilton, if you're a
Dunedin christ which won't be quite ready, so that doesn't
coming too the equation or is it an opportunity for
Nelson or somewhere like that New Plymouth to host a
rugby test again?
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Hawk's Bay get some love to the provinces remember when
they had two Tests and Wellington last year, the first
tie up against Argentina the second against the Australia. No
one turned up to the first Test, so that opportunity
to look at the provinces and go, we care about
you as well, We really do. And yep, maybe it's
not the best French team in the world, but look out,
(15:37):
all blacks, come and watch. I think that's the best
thing they could do.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
So six test matches, I'm saying, five venues I reckon
to at Eden Park and I tell you what if
we don't host South Africa and the first test that
they're here of the two at Eden Park, we're doing.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
It wrong, all right? Then I'll leave that with you.
You better bring up Matt Robinson ever crack at him, pliny.
I're a very respected sports journalists, mate. Don't underestimate you
pull all right?
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Just before we go, all roads lead to go Media
Mount Smart that is on Saturday, drby two point zero.
What do you make of this Auckland FC juggernaut. You're
up closer to it than I am. It just seems
to have monstered the city.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
It has and it comes back. I think it's very
simple and Fred de Jong touched on it at the
start of the season when I interviewed him what has
to happen, and he said, oh, win, that was it.
And they're winning, and they're winning, and they're winning late,
but they're winning and they keep winning, and we love winners.
Of course, you can't to pile out. And it's not
(16:36):
way up in the North Shore or way down pooky Coy.
It's it's a relatively easy is to get to. But winning,
that's that's all sports about, right Piney.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
So I guess the interesting question then is when inevitably
they might win. They might win every game, but inevitably
when teams go through pecks and troughs. So are you
saying the bandwagon empties out off the back of a
couple of defeats.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Well, it didn't to the Wars, or it has done previously.
The energy around it, and I think the attachment that
they've got with families is really important too, and I
don't know if that will stop. Look if they string
together three or four rotten defeats where they get hammered,
maybe people might lose interest. But at the moment, it's summer,
(17:19):
the weather's good, it's a great place to watch any
form of rectangle sport, isn't it? But go media and
again they are winning and we love winners. There's a lot,
but the big thing for me is get the w
people love success.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, indeed and THEE. We'll be able to chat more
about it tomorrow. We've run out of time in the
chamber today, so it is time for.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Us to depart.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Dissecting the sporting agenda.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
It's Sportsfix with Jason Pine and Darcy Waldergrave.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
We're back tomorrow on the Sports Fix podcast. If you
subscribed to us, it automatically magically appears in your podcast feed,
don't you know.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
Ooh. And if it's more than just the Fix you're after,
you can engage myself or Piney Piney Monday through Friday
between seven and eight on Sports Talk and of course Piney.
Over the weekend you have got.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
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Speaker 5 (18:19):
Awesome. Thanks for listening. We'll catch you again soon. Don't
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