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February 7, 2025 • 17 mins

On Sports Fix with Jason Pine and D'Arcy Waldegrave for 7th February 2025, retiring Warriors captain Tohu Harris joins the podcast to chat about what led to his decision to retire and to weigh up the options to replace him as Warriors captain. 

Piney offers his thoughts on who might take over from Joe Schmidt at the Wallabies. 

And the lads are in the chamber to discuss the return of Fantasy Super Rugby. 

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is Forcefix. Howard by News Talk said.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Be hello there, and welcome into the latest episode of
the Sportsbooks podcast for today, Friday, February seven.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
We missed you yesterday.

Speaker 5 (00:28):
I'm Jason Pyte, I'm Darcy Waldergrave and you may have
missed everybody but piney OLiS having a holiday and I
tend to turn off from everything on my day off.
Is that mean and cruel?

Speaker 3 (00:38):
We're just honest, No, not mean, not cruel, just honest.
Which are I think equalities? Fuck that We can abscribe
to you for the most part, Darcy, But we are
back into it today with a bit of get true.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
We haven't yet, I don't think.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Heard from Toahu Harris since his announcement that he will
retire as Warriors captain. I think we might be about
to end that drought.

Speaker 5 (01:01):
Yeah, managed to go into his house, break in hold
him down for a microphone note. We're spoken to Tay
who super good guy, and what the future is and
how the career ended, the injury, so on and so forth.
All that's coming out shortly.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
All right, look forward to that.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
I've got some thoughts on the departure of Joe Schmidt
as Wallaby's coach and who might come in. And I
want to kick a couple of issues around with you
in the chamber as well, So let's get into it.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
In other news, let's get.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Started, as always with some of them sports stories floating
around today. Zoey Sadowski Senate has secured another World Cup
title victory in the snowboardings Big Air on the Slopes
of Colorado.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I don't think it's going to be enough.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
Fact does mean that zobe Sidowski Senate takes the win
here and asper.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
She completes the double at the event after also winning
the Slope Style title. On Monday last month, Zoey Sadowski
Senate won her sixth X Games title at the venue
as well. Kiewi tennis player Manique Bowry has broken her
silence about online abuse she receives playing on the ITF circuit.
She believes most of the messages are from international gamblers

(02:07):
because often relate to money lost on results.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
I'm going to kill you. I hope you kill yourself.

Speaker 5 (02:14):
Any possible thing that you could think of has been
said to us like I will find you lots of threats,
huge paragraphs about how much we suck.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Liverpool through to the final of English Football's League Cup
meantime with a four NELT drubbing of Tottenham and the
second leg of their semi final, Looking for.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
The Hero of Love Season Final, Your Bad Time dissecting
the sporting agenda. It's Sports Fix with Jason Vine and
Darcy Walter Grave.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
Harris, former Warrior skipper, joins us Now to talk all
about his enforced retirement through injury from the game of
rugby league and what next? Get a tahoo.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
How's it going?

Speaker 5 (03:00):
Just going very very well, I suppose the big questions
how's it going with you? You had to retire from
the game that you love with repeated and now you
sat down, you're not doing pre season. That's got to
be of a relief surely.

Speaker 6 (03:15):
Well, yeah, my rest is certainly appreciating it and being
able to spend this time with the family has been
really nice.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
It's yeah.

Speaker 6 (03:24):
The club club have been amazing. They've allowed me the
time to spend with family and before any commitments they
need you to do.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
So what is your relationship now with the club. You're
plainly not playing. Are you still under contract you still
have a role within the Warriors.

Speaker 6 (03:42):
Yes, I'm still under contract for this year. As part
of the medical retirement, I've I'm still contracted for this
year and obligated to to fill any obligations that are
needed from the club. So yeah, just waiting to see
how that looks.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
But you know, they've been amazing.

Speaker 6 (04:05):
They've allowed me the time to sort of get set,
spend time with family before the I guess the busy
part of the year starts.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
You've had time to come to peace with the decision
that was pushed on you to retire. You get your
entire life at Hidio now and teld who I'm presuming
you would have thought a little bit about it. You've
got commitments this year to the Warriors, but beyond that,
a man who's been involved. Gee, I remember when you
first got picked for the key is a the expense
of sunny Bill Williams and he came back and you

(04:36):
were out. You've been doing this a long long time,
So to consider your future. What else is Tod Harris
capable of doing?

Speaker 4 (04:44):
What next?

Speaker 5 (04:45):
What are you going to do?

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Well, that's that's sort of.

Speaker 6 (04:50):
Because I'm contracted this year, and and I've got commitments
with the club, but I've still still got quite a
bit of time to figure that out. So yeah, it's
all sort of constantly communicating with my wife and trying
to figure that out and how that how that could look.
But yeah, first and foremost, I've got to make sure

(05:13):
my family's all right and and that I'm fulfilling those
my commitments to the club and whatever they need.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
So still waiting to hear how that looks.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
Like a complete professional. So who's going to be the
new captain? Tell who? No one's going to tell us.
You've got a rough fight.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
Who do you like?

Speaker 5 (05:29):
Who do you think's got the ear of the players?
And what's the most important thing for the new captain?
What's the biggest consideration do you think?

Speaker 6 (05:39):
To be honest, I've got no idea who it's going
to be. But like the club's in a in an
outstanding position, they've got a number of different options and
it's I guess it all comes down to what, well
where he thinks the team needs. You know, they've you've
got Roger theare who has captained the club and he
leads by example, But whether he wants the job or no,

(06:01):
I'm not sure. But then you've got guys like Fish
coming in who's led his country, who's had the high
the most amount of success someone can have in this
in this profession. You know Mitch Barnett who led the
team for the second half of last year, and you've
got a wealth of experience through there like Dylan Walker,

(06:25):
Kirk Cape Well all these all these guys like they've
got a number of different options. Yeah, it all comes
down to what Webee thinks the team needs. And yeah,
so that's that's sort of above my pay grade anyway.
So yeah, I'm waiting to find out too.

Speaker 5 (06:45):
Yeah, you're glad you're not making that decision. Just a
word on the captains. What's the most important part of
being a captain from what you know from your experience
in the role. Primarily, what does a captain have to
do not just win the toss?

Speaker 6 (07:01):
Well, I think first like for a captain, first and foremost,
his performance has got to be to a high standard
and consistent, so that so that when when he does speak,
he doesn't have to speak much. But when when he
does speak, people listen because they see the work they

(07:21):
put in, the standards they hold themselves to and and
that they're performing at the highest level. So I think
I think that's always got to come first, is the
place performance. So yeah, I think you're looking for someone
who can perform under pressure and can do it week
and week out, and that's and that's right from Monday

(07:43):
through to Sunday, every day of the week.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
They've got to be consistent.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
And finally, Tahu and always a pleasure. Thanks very much
for joining us here on News Talk the B pre
season tonight up against the Sharks and explosive game. No Art, Yes,
unfortunately can a wee bit of an injury. But from
what you've seen so far, how do you like this
this new look worri aside, what what do you smile about.

Speaker 6 (08:08):
I'm really excited, like obviously with the new combinations with
Fish coming in, excited to use the halves run out together.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
But I think the thing that.

Speaker 6 (08:20):
I want to see most, I guess is guys like
Jacob demitric Ali, those guys who have had some any
in our experience and they're some of the most talented
guys in the team. But I want to see them
take the next step because I think if they can

(08:40):
sort of perform week in week out to their capabilities.
The whole team's performance is just going to go up
another level. So I'm excited to see what they do.
And they've had really good preseasons, outstanding preseason, so hopefully
they can take that out on the field, take that
form to the field and on that.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
We'll let you get on with Seemi retirement. Looking forward
to hearing what your new role is and I'm sure
you are as well. It's that we continue our chats.
Really appreciate your time, mark to who thinks for that,
no worries, thanks for having me.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
Sports effects.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
No real surprise to hear the news today that Joe
Schmidt will step down as Wallaby's coach at the end
of the Rugby Championship. He was initially contracted until the
end of the Lions tour this year, but he's extended
that by three months, but that will be it. Joshmit's
always said this was a temporary gig for him. His
family is still back here in New Zealand and he

(09:36):
wasn't prepared to put them through two more years of
him being absent, and probably wasn't willing to put himself
through that either.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
It's the right call. Family first. Always.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
I think Rugby Australia probably signed him up and secretly
hoped he'd loved the job so much he'd changed his
mind and stay. But instead he's given them three more months.
But that'll be it his last game in charge October fourth,
against the All Blacks in Perth. Regardless of what happens
this year, and there is plenty of rugby ahead, three
Lions Test matches and the Rugby Championship, Joshmitt will likely

(10:08):
leave the Wallabies in a better place than he found
them now. That, of course, is a very low bar,
because he found them as an absolute basket case after
the departure of Eddie Jones. Anything would have been an
improvement on that shambles of a coaching tenure. And while
Joe Schmidt hasn't won everybody over, he has at least

(10:29):
righted the ship. So now we ask who will take over? Well,
the candidates seem to be the super rugby coaches in Australia,
Reds coach Les Kiss, Rumby's coach Stephen Larkham, war A
Tars coach Dan McCalla. They seem to be the front runners.
There's also a bit of mail around about former coach
Michael Checker returning into the fold. But for me, the

(10:50):
dark horse is Leon McDonald, no longer part of the
All Blacks set up of course, in the market for
a job you'd presume, and bringing with them a deep
knowledge of New Zealand rugby and specifically the All Blacks environment.
Why not follow one key we with another razor against
Leon for Bledislow twenty twenty six.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
I would love to see it.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfix.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Into the Chamber we dive. We've heard from Toho Harris
he won't be a part of the Warriors this year.
Really interesting to hear from the great man.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
But I will be a part of the Warriors, but
he won't be playing. I mean, he's still going to
be engaged. He's contracted them for the you know, well
another year, so he'll be doing something we just don't
know what yet.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Right, Yeah, I'll rephrase, he won't be out there with
the boots on and that thirteen jersey that we've come
to know and love over the past few years. Look,
I know this is a question fraught with peril and
with a challenging task to even answer it, But what
should our expectations be of the Warriors in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
I don't have any expectations. I've learned after following these
guys for longer, and then I can remember that if
you set yourself up with expectations, you're going to be
very disciple pointed. I want them to turn up, put
in their best effort. It give me some entertainment, because
that's what they are. They're a form of entertainment. I
don't harder any thoughts of them bashing their way through

(12:20):
and winning a final. I've often said that I reckon
I'll be in a retirement home before that happens. Ever
it does. But I don't follow them, Jason, because I
expect them to win everything. I follow them because they might.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Team yep, and that's look, and you you were perfectly
able to do that. But I just go back a
year and you and I might have even spoken about
this a year ago, after the year they had in
twenty twenty three, which was so good. We did have expectations,
I think, well, I certainly know that I did have it.
Had expectations last year of at the very least a

(12:50):
top eight finish and maybe a.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
Push towards that.

Speaker 5 (12:55):
I know what happened.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
Yeah, so should I? Should I?

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Therefore, Look, I'm not as much of a as a
Warriors fan as you, So should I be limiting my expectations?
Should I be saying, you know what, if they make
the eight, it's pretty good?

Speaker 5 (13:09):
Yes, I think so. The more energy behind them and
going this time, you're going to do it. This time,
it's our year. It's never ever worked. I don't know
how well they respond to it. All we can do is,
as I said, turn up, play your absolute hardest. I hope,
like hell, the Aussie referees don't have their way with us.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
I normally do.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
And enjoy the process for what it is.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
Is this you trying to reverse Jinx this whole thing?

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Are you doing that thing where you say, look, I
don't have any expectations.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
I'm just going to enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
And what you hope is that the universe will hear
that and deliver you a championship.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
No, I don't believe in Jinx's There's nothing I can say,
do or think that's going to affect anything possibly anywhere ever. Yeah, okay,
there's a wee.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Bit of that, all right. I love the caveat love
the Cavit at the end. All right, We waiting to
see what happens with the Warriors.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
No doubt there'll be a topic of conversation on sports
Fax across twenty twenty five, as I'm sure will Super
Rugby be and Fantasy Super rugg has been launched. This
is a new way of engaging fans. I've actually already
picked my team for the first week. I'll have to
obviously remove a couple of players as they get injured
over the next seven days. But I like the idea
of a new way of engaging with fans.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
I used to play a fantasy rugby back in the day.
There was a version of I Think and New Zealand
Herald ran one way back when. That's when I first
discovered Dealander and Creole. I picked them up in a
couple of games and never heard of them before I
read something that might be quite handy. Gee they're still
playing at an international level. That was my first introduction

(14:45):
to those two guys. So yeah, I'm going to climb
in boots and all. I just can't pick the winger
that everybody's picked Alreadybody's not there, right.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
Jay, Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
No, there there's an opt out option, and Caleb Clark
has taken the opt out option. We'll find out more
about that, I think next week when he does a
bit of media. But interesting what you said there. You
know you found out about players for the first time.
I think this is a good way of engaging people
about you know, who the players are, because you know
you've got to pick a fifteen every week. Who am
I going to put on my you know, on on

(15:16):
each side of the scrum, who am I going to
play it half back?

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Whom I'm going to play at first five?

Speaker 3 (15:19):
And it gives you an option, or gives you almost
the compulsion to go and look at who the options are,
who the players.

Speaker 5 (15:25):
Are, Yeah, and you look across the stats and how
they've played, so you take a keener interest in players
from Australia, for example, players out of fig like, Okay,
you may not have been interested before, but you've got
a gap where you still want That guy scored a
busload of points last week. Maybe I look at him,
So I think it adds extra I don't know if

(15:46):
non rugby fans codeheads would climb in like they might,
but I think the code heads out there we'll have
a wee bit of joy putting the team together every weeks.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
That's got yeah joys one day, putting it a time
wasting the other. I'm not sure you'll get much out
of me on a Friday, and I got off Twitter.

Speaker 5 (16:03):
I got off Twitter, so I got plenty of time
to waste now, trust me?

Speaker 4 (16:07):
All right, good stuff.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Fantasy Super Rugby is up and running for twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
That's us in the chamber for.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
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Speaker 4 (16:14):
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Speaker 1 (16:16):
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Speaker 3 (16:18):
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(16:55):
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