August 22, 2025 • 20 mins
On Sports Fix with Jason Pine and D'Arcy Waldegrave for 1st August 2025, At long last Sky and NZR have come to an agreement on a new broadcast deal which will see most All Blacks games on Sky through to 2030. NZR CEO Mark Robinson joined the podcast to talk through the details of that deal
Piney shares his disappointment on Auckland FC Women facing another delay
And D'Arcy and Piney discuss what to expect for the All Blacks 2nd test against Argentina
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hi there and welcome to the back end of your week.
That is, of course, if you work on a Monday
to Friday basis, wasn't the start of a weekend as
we all work on a Friday at a Sunday basis?
Here in the world of sport, this is Sports Folks
with GJ. Gardner Holmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder.
I'm Jason Pinekind.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
It does I don't wow. I mean, I said, my
bum and I watch sport at weekends. I suppose that
is working aroundabout kind of way. I'm with you one
hundred percent. That's my weekend. My week has just started.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Indeed, and there's a lot to cover off, heaps to
get through. We're going to All Blacks Test to preview
a massive weekend of NRL a broadcast deal. Who have
we got as far as a guest is.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Concerned, today, we decided to go straight to the top.
He is the CEO of nj a A. You might
know Mark Robinson Robber as he's affectionately known, so we'll
talk to him about this new deal on sorry stope
that he's managed to get that one over the line
before he disappears off to our retirement village at the
end of the year.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I've got a couple of thoughts on the lack of
an Auckland FC women's team for the next couple of seasons,
which I'm really not that happy about it all. And
the latest and sports news too, so let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
In other news, let's get.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Things underway with a look at some of the big
sports stories around today. The All Blacks will trial their
fourth different loose forward combination in their fifth test of
the year when they play Argentina Sunday morning two. Paul
Vase stays in the sixth Jersey debutant Simon Parker will
go to number eight and Ardie Savier to the open
side flank. Here's coach Scott Robertson with the rationale.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Atunity for Simon, who's a couple of games, and Andrews
Belt for NBC and you know, Ardie's very good at seven,
and it's a tough call on Gooper Ce was definitely
not on form. He's paid well, if the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
He's got Meantime, Blackburn's legiond Porsche Woodman Wickcliff has made
an appearance on American News broadcast as CNN Head of
the Rugby World Cut. The thirty four year old two
time Olympic seven's gold medalist, has come out of retirement
in pursuit off her third Global fifteen's crown.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Over the last three or four years, the progress and
women's game has just gone amazing and so I'm grateful
they yet to experience it. And at the end of
the day, I just couldn't say goodbye to it yet
and I wanted to have one more crack at it.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
And an I catching fixture for the football Ferns. I'll
face world number two and current Olympic champions the US
and Kansas City in late October. Coach Michael Main pretty
happy with the game.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
It's the ultimate challenge, their powerhouse of the women's game.
So to give the invite and go up there and
really see what that challenge looks like the first hand
is going to be very exciting.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Dissecting the sporting agenda, It's Sportsfix with Jason Vein and
Darcy Waldergrave.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
And The fix now extends to welcome to the Chief
executive Officer of AT New Zealand Rugby, Mark Robinson. I
hate to be casual, but get a Robbo, Darcy.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I'm good? You'd be better though. What a great day.
Not only the all black teams out, but of course
you've gazumped that announcement by saying, hey, we've got a
we've got a broadcast deal. This has been a long
time in the making. Palpable relief, i'd expect.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
Mark.
Speaker 7 (03:22):
Oh look, it's a really positive day, Darcy. We're obviously
thrilled to have this all tiding up and announced and obviously,
you know, taking a little bit of time to work
through this with our partners, but got to a great space.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
We think we've got a nice mix obviously of.
Speaker 7 (03:40):
Things associated with the traditional model with Sky and in
this new freeom are component with TV and Z which
is exciting as well.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
So overall, really really pleased.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
How much you're going to bank over the five years Mark.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
Well, as we're saying in these conversations many times over
the years, dars I can't I can't obviously share that,
but we're we are pleased. We think it's great for
the fans, gives us real certainly over the next five
years as to you know, a significant component of our
financial model and our ability to reinvest in the game
(04:14):
at all levels.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
So look, we've really pleased.
Speaker 7 (04:18):
Our overall revenue profile is continuing to grow, which we're
excited about. You know, we've clearly lifted the amounts of
sponsorship coming into the organization significantly over the last few years,
and we're also seeing some really positive signs on the
international broadcast market. So more and more revenue coming into
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the organization from offshore, I guess is a reflection it
truly is an international sporting organization at the moment. I
think we've got another ten broadcast deals to be done
internationally over the next little while. We're working with different
partners on that, and I think the increase we're looking
across that sort of revenue profile is about over seventy
percent up at this stage is what we're forecasting.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
So yeah, some really positive signs around the overall revenue growth.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Now, I know you won't tell me a figure, but
good things come to those who are and one day
you'll slip before you leave the seat. I swear was
there was there a significant or much of a hat
because the general narrative around this is that they were
offering you a lot less, was it as much as
you thought, as little or a little more? How did
that operate?
Speaker 6 (05:24):
Just in brushstrokes Mark Well, look again loves to get
into too much detail.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
Obviously, there's been speculation a reduction for some time and
it has come back or from the previous level. But
I think, as I said before, importantly revenue continues to
grow for the game here in New Zealand, and that's
that's what we're really focused on. The international component will
be up. Our sponsorship levels have gone from circa fifty
(05:53):
odd million dollars a few years back to you know,
one hundred and thirty million dollars per aundum now and
a large part of that is again coming from from
the international market.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
So that's what we're really continuing to build and smaller around.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
It's something we've been talking about for some time about
the importance of growing reach and broading our fan base
around the world, and we think there's real evidence of
that coming to fruition at the moment.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
The negotiation points, i'd say juddo bars or cattle stops
were there any there that are right. Well, I'm presuming
you're not cows in and fall through them. But what
were the key ones there that the points of negotiation
that maybe stretched the negotiation a little further.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
Oh, look, I think all that all the partners in
this wanted to strike a deal, but you know, the
whole media landscape at the moment, as you know, DAS
has been through a really interesting time itself, and so
it just took time to you know, bring in a
component around free to wear.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
Took a little bit of time to work through how
that was going to work.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
We had some ideas around unbundling some of those black
ferns and all blacks test matches over the term as well,
five of those each. So there are some new things
being introduced to the to the arrangement that everyone was
certainly open to.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
But it just took a little bit of time to
work through.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
But you know, no major things that you wouldn't expect
in a deal of this size and importance.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Free to wear really interesting, I'm presuming because the TV
three deal was a little late for Sky that didn't
come to well, there was nothing, no point in talking
about that. But you've gone with TV and Z. What
kind of impacts are you after for free to wear?
What are you after a participation eyeballs? I mean you
(07:44):
look to the end of the season, NPC, what do
you want to carry out of that?
Speaker 7 (07:49):
Well, I think it's just that, as we said before,
just that increase of accessibility and engagement by being able
to add this platform to what we already have in
the in the partnership with sky and you know, it
just creates a little bit more noise and.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
Water caller to all, doesn't it.
Speaker 7 (08:08):
The fact that you know, more and more people be
able to engage with our domestic product, which is great
and it's a great it's a great fit with TV
and Z our domestic content, and you know, I know
they are really thrilled to be involved in top level
rugby again and we're delighted to have them in our
overall partnership model.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I'll probably answer my question and my question which is
a little silly, but did TV three ever come into
this with Skott? Oh?
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Look, that's one for Sky Dark.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
But I think you're on the right track there when
you when you talk about how late they came into
the or that possibility came into into things.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
But that's more one for Sky to be talking to.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Probably, all right, Sophie, I'll be giving a phone call shortly.
It's worked that one through. Hey, look, you mentioned before
about the the all blacks and what's happening with the
ferns and everything are overseas. There are up to five tests.
I believe that New Zealanders will have to possibly pay
for I'm presuming, Stop me if I'm wrong that these
(09:06):
test matches may be packaged marketed through I don't know,
dezone or netflex in order to generate the income and
the interest globally. Is that not out of the question.
Speaker 7 (09:20):
Oh well, there's a whole range of possible that's the
beauty of this model. I guess there's a whole range
of possibilities here, and this is something that we're obviously
keen to try. You know, it doesn't rule out the
fact Sky would look to do these games themselves, but yeah,
we're just keen to test that that.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
I think. You know, Rugby is still very much going through.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
Evolution in a range of different areas and this is
one at the moment where we really want to have
that ability to test the market occasionally. We've made no
secret of our ambition to grow our global fan base
and that you know, you we struck with Japan a
few years ago. The work we're doing in the in
the US is clearly having a positive impact. So if
this is another strand to that overall strategy that can
(10:08):
give us greater insights into our fan base, provide another
sort of revenue stream that we haven't had historically, then
that's just something we think is definitely worth exploring.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Sort of sex.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
News through in the last couple of days that the
entry of Auckland FC into the women's A League competition
has been delayed, and not just by a year, but
by at least two years. The earliest now that Auckland
FC could have a team in the A League women's
competition would be the twenty twenty seven twenty twenty eight campaign.
(10:40):
That was confirmed by APL who run the leagues on Thursday.
And the main reason they've said is money. They have
had well documented financial issues over the past few years,
so you can imagine that caution is the name of
the game. Look, I totally get the pragmatism, I totally
get the caution, but this is still really rarely disappointing news.
(11:04):
You look at our Auckland FC hit the ground running
in the men's a leg. It was one of these
stories of the last twelve months, the way they came in,
swept all before them and really made a massive impact
on and off the field. Off the back of their
debut season, I think everybody was looking forward to seeing
what the women's program might look like, and the club
(11:25):
themselves were well well down the track of getting things
sorted like coaches, like players, like training facilities, all of
those sorts of things with a mood and a view
and an intent to be involved in this upcoming A
League women's season that got taken off the table a
little while ago, but we still thought it would be
(11:46):
next season, now two years away, at a time when
women's football in this country is on a high and
has been since spring boarding off the twenty twenty three
feet for Women's World Cup, which we co hosted. Of course,
this professional pathway would have been another addition to the
landscape of the game here in New Zealand. Bev Priestman
(12:07):
has just taken over at the Phoenix. Their women's program
is going to be really interesting to watch in the
season ahead, and having Auckland come in and derby matches
and another pathway for our best young players would have
been another addition to it. As I say, I totally
understand the reasons why you simply can't have clubs falling over,
(12:27):
but if Auckland FC's men are anything to go by,
then the women would have been fun to watch and
financially viable as well. It'll still happen, It'll just take
a bit longer. I can't wait to have those derby
matches and have Auckland FC as part of the A
League women's competition two years from now.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
End of the Chamber we go. We've heard about the
broadcast deal from Mark Robinson. Now I know a lot
of people have a few things to say about that,
both tonight on sports Talk and across the weekend. But
the team in the middle of all this is the
All Blacks. A named team this morning. I think we
spoke about it yesterday and talked about the possibility of
a Simon Parker, a Wallace to Titia to Mighty Williams.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
We're getting all three dust correct, But I didn't pick
Tti or to Mighty to actually come straight off the bench.
That both of them. I think you might have leaned
into that, but you were right with Parker close consistency
of selection. I don't think anyone out there is going
to disagree that that is a good move, not only
for Argentina but a couple of weeks out from the
(13:33):
South African.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Menace indeed, and I kind of feel as though dusk
there's no more chances right in terms of players proving anything.
There's no more games where they can try new things.
Is Sunday's team the team? Is this it for South Africa?
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Now?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You'd think so. There might be some little adjustments when
it comes to two weeks time, but by and large,
this is the team that Raiser wants. And they've got
a few rough edges to burn out to polish in
this game against Argentina if they were just maybe off
a beat for maybe twenty thirty minutes of that game
at various times. So to press down on that for
(14:11):
these men and make sure they can get this cut
diamond shining really important.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, it is important. So what do we ideally want
to see? We want to see the All Blacks win.
We probably want to see them not stumble between minutes
forty one and sixty five like they did last Sunday.
But what would give you a pretty high degree of
confidence ahead of these South African tests. What would you
like to see Sunday to give you that degree of comfort.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Speed of hands on the advantage line, and the ability
to connect and not send passes up other guys heads
or too far behind them or too far in front
of them. And that might be asking too much, But
when you want to accentuate what you have an advantage
in the back line, that's what the All Blacks have.
It's like a shockun or a blitzkrig if you will,
(14:59):
and that works great if you're accurate, but if you're not,
that can blow up in your face. I want to
see precision and speed, slight of hand constantly and nothing.
Is that asking too much?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Do you think by any I don't think so. These
are the All Blacks. I don't think we ever could
ask too much of them. I think the things that
you've outlined, their precision, accuracy, speed of hand, that sort
of thing. I think we should expect that from our
top rugby players who are, let's face it, meant to
be the best players in the world, so they should
be able to achieve those things, shouldn't they?
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I think what they did and the way they rode
through and over and around the Argentine pack says a lot.
So a continuation of that please, even though they don't
provide the stout opposition as you'd expect the spring box world.
Although half the last week I can't talk about South
Africa's stout opposition. That is horrible.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
I'm still getting.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Over it, so I'm sure they are too. And they're
bounce back on Sunday morning in Cape Town will be
equally fascinating. They want to talk NRL with you Warriors
tomorrow night. But tonight what a double header to look
forward to.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Now?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
The Raid is a top of the ladder. They're playing
the Panthers, who are sixth. The Raiders are paying two
dollars thirty at our tab, their top of the table.
When's the top of the table side ever paid two
dollars thirty? But they are playing the Panthers. How do
you see this one playing out?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
It's very common knowledge that in the NRL there is
no such thing as favoritism. When you're looking at them
in this case, not even the top eight. You look
at the top ten, you think any of these teams
can beat anyone on their day. So I think if
you look at the way the Panthers are coming home
with the wet saale after such a rotten old start,
their ability to understand what it takes to finals, and
(16:44):
the fact that the Raiders have been there or thereabouts,
are they going to drop their bundle at some stage?
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Maybe that's what that's based on.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Indeed, and then Storm Bulldogs stormer favorites at home. But
this is a two v three proposition. It's a terrific game.
Are the Bulldogs just starting to stumble ever so slightly though?
Were lost to the Roosters last week? They beat the Warriors,
but they lost to the West Tigers. Are they kind
of stumbling a bit? The Bulldogs?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
And it goes back to what we're saying about what
I was saying, not we won't drag you into this
mess around the Raiders, and about the effectiveness. We talked
about this. It doesn't matter how well or poorly you start,
it's about how you finish. And we look at the
storm and go again statements of intent. And I'd suggest
that I would be terrified of as the Bulldogs. They're
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flying high looking good and here comes a team that understand,
like the Penrith Panthers, what it takes to get to
finals and to win when it really matters. And you
still got to look at the Panthers in the storm
and think these guys are favorites for the competition right now, right.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
They are indeed, and just we're on tomorrow night. Do
you believe in bogie teams? Do you believe in teams that,
for whatever reason, you know, provide stiffer opposition more regularly
than perhaps they should. The Titans are at the bottom,
for goodness sake.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Well at the bottom when we got beaten. But do
you believe in bogey teams? Piney stop asking me question?
Do you do some mahe will you do some heavy lifting?
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Well, I actually do believe in them. You know, sort
of goes beyond coincidence for me. The Titans have beaten
the Warriors in six of the last seven meetings. That's
outside statistical margin of era. That speaks to something, and
I don't know what it is. It might be conscious
and might be subconscious, But I'll tell you what. If
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the Warriors are behind to the Titans, I'm sure there
might be a little scac of doubt in the back
of some players' minds to think, you know, goodness me,
here we go again. It's happening again. Where that might
not be the case of the playing the Sea Eagles
or the Knights or the Broncos, for example. I actually
think there is something to it that might sit there,
either consciously or definitely subconsciously when you play against a
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certain team.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
How do you approach that from a coaching point of view?
Do you roll it right out in the middle and go,
here it is, this is the elephant in the room.
Let's talk about it. Or do you just carry on
denying and go this is just another game. Forget the jersey,
forget the venue, forget who you're playing. It's irrelevant. It
shouldn't make any difference which way would you travel here.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
We'll put it this way. I think if you ignore
elephants in rooms, there is the potential to get trampled
by them. I think I'd address it. I think i'd
be I think I'd be saying I think I'd be saying, hey,
come on, guys, we know we're terrible against these guys.
Here's an opportunity for us to embrace that and to
change the narrative. That's what I'd be doing.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah, I suppose you'd say, there, grow a stern finger
and pick the bogey and flick it across the room.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
What a wonderful tune of frace, What a wonderful What
a wonderful way of putting things. I can't top that.
I gotta get out of the chamber.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
See it Byney.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
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Speaker 2 (19:53):
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Speaker 2 (20:24):
What have you got midday to three tomorrow, Middata three Sunday.
It's called Weekend Sport. We love both on that show
and on Sports Talk chatting with you rather than just
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Speaker 3 (20:35):
Have a great weekend us Yeah, enjoy yourselves and thanks
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Piney Otherwise.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hi there and welcome to the back end of your week.
That is, of course, if you work on a Monday
to Friday basis, wasn't the start of a weekend as
we all work on a Friday at a Sunday basis?
Here in the world of sport, this is Sports Folks
with GJ. Gardner Holmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder.
I'm Jason Pinekind.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
It does I don't wow. I mean, I said, my
bum and I watch sport at weekends. I suppose that
is working aroundabout kind of way. I'm with you one
hundred percent. That's my weekend. My week has just started.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Indeed, and there's a lot to cover off, heaps to
get through. We're going to All Blacks Test to preview
a massive weekend of NRL a broadcast deal. Who have
we got as far as a guest is.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Concerned, today, we decided to go straight to the top.
He is the CEO of nj a A. You might
know Mark Robinson Robber as he's affectionately known, so we'll
talk to him about this new deal on sorry stope
that he's managed to get that one over the line
before he disappears off to our retirement village at the
end of the year.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I've got a couple of thoughts on the lack of
an Auckland FC women's team for the next couple of seasons,
which I'm really not that happy about it all. And
the latest and sports news too, so let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
In other news, let's get.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Things underway with a look at some of the big
sports stories around today. The All Blacks will trial their
fourth different loose forward combination in their fifth test of
the year when they play Argentina Sunday morning two. Paul
Vase stays in the sixth Jersey debutant Simon Parker will
go to number eight and Ardie Savier to the open
side flank. Here's coach Scott Robertson with the rationale.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Atunity for Simon, who's a couple of games, and Andrews
Belt for NBC and you know, Ardie's very good at seven,
and it's a tough call on Gooper Ce was definitely
not on form. He's paid well, if the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
He's got Meantime, Blackburn's legiond Porsche Woodman Wickcliff has made
an appearance on American News broadcast as CNN Head of
the Rugby World Cut. The thirty four year old two
time Olympic seven's gold medalist, has come out of retirement
in pursuit off her third Global fifteen's crown.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Over the last three or four years, the progress and
women's game has just gone amazing and so I'm grateful
they yet to experience it. And at the end of
the day, I just couldn't say goodbye to it yet
and I wanted to have one more crack at it.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
And an I catching fixture for the football Ferns. I'll
face world number two and current Olympic champions the US
and Kansas City in late October. Coach Michael Main pretty
happy with the game.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
It's the ultimate challenge, their powerhouse of the women's game.
So to give the invite and go up there and
really see what that challenge looks like the first hand
is going to be very exciting.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Dissecting the sporting agenda, It's Sportsfix with Jason Vein and
Darcy Waldergrave.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
And The fix now extends to welcome to the Chief
executive Officer of AT New Zealand Rugby, Mark Robinson. I
hate to be casual, but get a Robbo, Darcy.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I'm good? You'd be better though. What a great day.
Not only the all black teams out, but of course
you've gazumped that announcement by saying, hey, we've got a
we've got a broadcast deal. This has been a long
time in the making. Palpable relief, i'd expect.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
Mark.
Speaker 7 (03:22):
Oh look, it's a really positive day, Darcy. We're obviously
thrilled to have this all tiding up and announced and obviously,
you know, taking a little bit of time to work
through this with our partners, but got to a great space.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
We think we've got a nice mix obviously of.
Speaker 7 (03:40):
Things associated with the traditional model with Sky and in
this new freeom are component with TV and Z which
is exciting as well.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
So overall, really really pleased.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
How much you're going to bank over the five years Mark.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
Well, as we're saying in these conversations many times over
the years, dars I can't I can't obviously share that,
but we're we are pleased. We think it's great for
the fans, gives us real certainly over the next five
years as to you know, a significant component of our
financial model and our ability to reinvest in the game
(04:14):
at all levels.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
So look, we've really pleased.
Speaker 7 (04:18):
Our overall revenue profile is continuing to grow, which we're
excited about. You know, we've clearly lifted the amounts of
sponsorship coming into the organization significantly over the last few years,
and we're also seeing some really positive signs on the
international broadcast market. So more and more revenue coming into
(04:41):
the organization from offshore, I guess is a reflection it
truly is an international sporting organization at the moment. I
think we've got another ten broadcast deals to be done
internationally over the next little while. We're working with different
partners on that, and I think the increase we're looking
across that sort of revenue profile is about over seventy
percent up at this stage is what we're forecasting.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
So yeah, some really positive signs around the overall revenue growth.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Now, I know you won't tell me a figure, but
good things come to those who are and one day
you'll slip before you leave the seat. I swear was
there was there a significant or much of a hat
because the general narrative around this is that they were
offering you a lot less, was it as much as
you thought, as little or a little more? How did
that operate?
Speaker 6 (05:24):
Just in brushstrokes Mark Well, look again loves to get
into too much detail.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
Obviously, there's been speculation a reduction for some time and
it has come back or from the previous level. But
I think, as I said before, importantly revenue continues to
grow for the game here in New Zealand, and that's
that's what we're really focused on. The international component will
be up. Our sponsorship levels have gone from circa fifty
(05:53):
odd million dollars a few years back to you know,
one hundred and thirty million dollars per aundum now and
a large part of that is again coming from from
the international market.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
So that's what we're really continuing to build and smaller around.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
It's something we've been talking about for some time about
the importance of growing reach and broading our fan base
around the world, and we think there's real evidence of
that coming to fruition at the moment.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
The negotiation points, i'd say juddo bars or cattle stops
were there any there that are right. Well, I'm presuming
you're not cows in and fall through them. But what
were the key ones there that the points of negotiation
that maybe stretched the negotiation a little further.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
Oh, look, I think all that all the partners in
this wanted to strike a deal, but you know, the
whole media landscape at the moment, as you know, DAS
has been through a really interesting time itself, and so
it just took time to you know, bring in a
component around free to wear.
Speaker 6 (06:56):
Took a little bit of time to work through how
that was going to work.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
We had some ideas around unbundling some of those black
ferns and all blacks test matches over the term as well,
five of those each. So there are some new things
being introduced to the to the arrangement that everyone was
certainly open to.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
But it just took a little bit of time to
work through.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
But you know, no major things that you wouldn't expect
in a deal of this size and importance.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Free to wear really interesting, I'm presuming because the TV
three deal was a little late for Sky that didn't
come to well, there was nothing, no point in talking
about that. But you've gone with TV and Z. What
kind of impacts are you after for free to wear?
What are you after a participation eyeballs? I mean you
(07:44):
look to the end of the season, NPC, what do
you want to carry out of that?
Speaker 7 (07:49):
Well, I think it's just that, as we said before,
just that increase of accessibility and engagement by being able
to add this platform to what we already have in
the in the partnership with sky and you know, it
just creates a little bit more noise and.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
Water caller to all, doesn't it.
Speaker 7 (08:08):
The fact that you know, more and more people be
able to engage with our domestic product, which is great
and it's a great it's a great fit with TV
and Z our domestic content, and you know, I know
they are really thrilled to be involved in top level
rugby again and we're delighted to have them in our
overall partnership model.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I'll probably answer my question and my question which is
a little silly, but did TV three ever come into
this with Skott? Oh?
Speaker 6 (08:31):
Look, that's one for Sky Dark.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
But I think you're on the right track there when
you when you talk about how late they came into
the or that possibility came into into things.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
But that's more one for Sky to be talking to.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Probably, all right, Sophie, I'll be giving a phone call shortly.
It's worked that one through. Hey, look, you mentioned before
about the the all blacks and what's happening with the
ferns and everything are overseas. There are up to five tests.
I believe that New Zealanders will have to possibly pay
for I'm presuming, Stop me if I'm wrong that these
(09:06):
test matches may be packaged marketed through I don't know,
dezone or netflex in order to generate the income and
the interest globally. Is that not out of the question.
Speaker 7 (09:20):
Oh well, there's a whole range of possible that's the
beauty of this model. I guess there's a whole range
of possibilities here, and this is something that we're obviously
keen to try. You know, it doesn't rule out the
fact Sky would look to do these games themselves, but yeah,
we're just keen to test that that.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
I think. You know, Rugby is still very much going through.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
Evolution in a range of different areas and this is
one at the moment where we really want to have
that ability to test the market occasionally. We've made no
secret of our ambition to grow our global fan base
and that you know, you we struck with Japan a
few years ago. The work we're doing in the in
the US is clearly having a positive impact. So if
this is another strand to that overall strategy that can
(10:08):
give us greater insights into our fan base, provide another
sort of revenue stream that we haven't had historically, then
that's just something we think is definitely worth exploring.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Sort of sex.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
News through in the last couple of days that the
entry of Auckland FC into the women's A League competition
has been delayed, and not just by a year, but
by at least two years. The earliest now that Auckland
FC could have a team in the A League women's
competition would be the twenty twenty seven twenty twenty eight campaign.
(10:40):
That was confirmed by APL who run the leagues on Thursday.
And the main reason they've said is money. They have
had well documented financial issues over the past few years,
so you can imagine that caution is the name of
the game. Look, I totally get the pragmatism, I totally
get the caution, but this is still really rarely disappointing news.
(11:04):
You look at our Auckland FC hit the ground running
in the men's a leg. It was one of these
stories of the last twelve months, the way they came in,
swept all before them and really made a massive impact
on and off the field. Off the back of their
debut season, I think everybody was looking forward to seeing
what the women's program might look like, and the club
(11:25):
themselves were well well down the track of getting things
sorted like coaches, like players, like training facilities, all of
those sorts of things with a mood and a view
and an intent to be involved in this upcoming A
League women's season that got taken off the table a
little while ago, but we still thought it would be
(11:46):
next season, now two years away, at a time when
women's football in this country is on a high and
has been since spring boarding off the twenty twenty three
feet for Women's World Cup, which we co hosted. Of course,
this professional pathway would have been another addition to the
landscape of the game here in New Zealand. Bev Priestman
(12:07):
has just taken over at the Phoenix. Their women's program
is going to be really interesting to watch in the
season ahead, and having Auckland come in and derby matches
and another pathway for our best young players would have
been another addition to it. As I say, I totally
understand the reasons why you simply can't have clubs falling over,
(12:27):
but if Auckland FC's men are anything to go by,
then the women would have been fun to watch and
financially viable as well. It'll still happen, It'll just take
a bit longer. I can't wait to have those derby
matches and have Auckland FC as part of the A
League women's competition two years from now.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
End of the Chamber we go. We've heard about the
broadcast deal from Mark Robinson. Now I know a lot
of people have a few things to say about that,
both tonight on sports Talk and across the weekend. But
the team in the middle of all this is the
All Blacks. A named team this morning. I think we
spoke about it yesterday and talked about the possibility of
a Simon Parker, a Wallace to Titia to Mighty Williams.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
We're getting all three dust correct, But I didn't pick
Tti or to Mighty to actually come straight off the bench.
That both of them. I think you might have leaned
into that, but you were right with Parker close consistency
of selection. I don't think anyone out there is going
to disagree that that is a good move, not only
for Argentina but a couple of weeks out from the
(13:33):
South African.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Menace indeed, and I kind of feel as though dusk
there's no more chances right in terms of players proving anything.
There's no more games where they can try new things.
Is Sunday's team the team? Is this it for South Africa?
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Now?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You'd think so. There might be some little adjustments when
it comes to two weeks time, but by and large,
this is the team that Raiser wants. And they've got
a few rough edges to burn out to polish in
this game against Argentina if they were just maybe off
a beat for maybe twenty thirty minutes of that game
at various times. So to press down on that for
(14:11):
these men and make sure they can get this cut
diamond shining really important.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, it is important. So what do we ideally want
to see? We want to see the All Blacks win.
We probably want to see them not stumble between minutes
forty one and sixty five like they did last Sunday.
But what would give you a pretty high degree of
confidence ahead of these South African tests. What would you
like to see Sunday to give you that degree of comfort.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Speed of hands on the advantage line, and the ability
to connect and not send passes up other guys heads
or too far behind them or too far in front
of them. And that might be asking too much, But
when you want to accentuate what you have an advantage
in the back line, that's what the All Blacks have.
It's like a shockun or a blitzkrig if you will,
(14:59):
and that works great if you're accurate, but if you're not,
that can blow up in your face. I want to
see precision and speed, slight of hand constantly and nothing.
Is that asking too much?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Do you think by any I don't think so. These
are the All Blacks. I don't think we ever could
ask too much of them. I think the things that
you've outlined, their precision, accuracy, speed of hand, that sort
of thing. I think we should expect that from our
top rugby players who are, let's face it, meant to
be the best players in the world, so they should
be able to achieve those things, shouldn't they?
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I think what they did and the way they rode
through and over and around the Argentine pack says a lot.
So a continuation of that please, even though they don't
provide the stout opposition as you'd expect the spring box world.
Although half the last week I can't talk about South
Africa's stout opposition. That is horrible.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
I'm still getting.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Over it, so I'm sure they are too. And they're
bounce back on Sunday morning in Cape Town will be
equally fascinating. They want to talk NRL with you Warriors
tomorrow night. But tonight what a double header to look
forward to.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Now?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
The Raid is a top of the ladder. They're playing
the Panthers, who are sixth. The Raiders are paying two
dollars thirty at our tab, their top of the table.
When's the top of the table side ever paid two
dollars thirty? But they are playing the Panthers. How do
you see this one playing out?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
It's very common knowledge that in the NRL there is
no such thing as favoritism. When you're looking at them
in this case, not even the top eight. You look
at the top ten, you think any of these teams
can beat anyone on their day. So I think if
you look at the way the Panthers are coming home
with the wet saale after such a rotten old start,
their ability to understand what it takes to finals, and
(16:44):
the fact that the Raiders have been there or thereabouts,
are they going to drop their bundle at some stage?
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Maybe that's what that's based on.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Indeed, and then Storm Bulldogs stormer favorites at home. But
this is a two v three proposition. It's a terrific game.
Are the Bulldogs just starting to stumble ever so slightly though?
Were lost to the Roosters last week? They beat the Warriors,
but they lost to the West Tigers. Are they kind
of stumbling a bit? The Bulldogs?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
And it goes back to what we're saying about what
I was saying, not we won't drag you into this
mess around the Raiders, and about the effectiveness. We talked
about this. It doesn't matter how well or poorly you start,
it's about how you finish. And we look at the
storm and go again statements of intent. And I'd suggest
that I would be terrified of as the Bulldogs. They're
(17:29):
flying high looking good and here comes a team that understand,
like the Penrith Panthers, what it takes to get to
finals and to win when it really matters. And you
still got to look at the Panthers in the storm
and think these guys are favorites for the competition right now, right.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
They are indeed, and just we're on tomorrow night. Do
you believe in bogie teams? Do you believe in teams that,
for whatever reason, you know, provide stiffer opposition more regularly
than perhaps they should. The Titans are at the bottom,
for goodness sake.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Well at the bottom when we got beaten. But do
you believe in bogey teams? Piney stop asking me question?
Do you do some mahe will you do some heavy lifting?
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Well, I actually do believe in them. You know, sort
of goes beyond coincidence for me. The Titans have beaten
the Warriors in six of the last seven meetings. That's
outside statistical margin of era. That speaks to something, and
I don't know what it is. It might be conscious
and might be subconscious, But I'll tell you what. If
(18:24):
the Warriors are behind to the Titans, I'm sure there
might be a little scac of doubt in the back
of some players' minds to think, you know, goodness me,
here we go again. It's happening again. Where that might
not be the case of the playing the Sea Eagles
or the Knights or the Broncos, for example. I actually
think there is something to it that might sit there,
either consciously or definitely subconsciously when you play against a
(18:47):
certain team.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
How do you approach that from a coaching point of view?
Do you roll it right out in the middle and go,
here it is, this is the elephant in the room.
Let's talk about it. Or do you just carry on
denying and go this is just another game. Forget the jersey,
forget the venue, forget who you're playing. It's irrelevant. It
shouldn't make any difference which way would you travel here.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
We'll put it this way. I think if you ignore
elephants in rooms, there is the potential to get trampled
by them. I think I'd address it. I think i'd
be I think I'd be saying I think I'd be saying, hey,
come on, guys, we know we're terrible against these guys.
Here's an opportunity for us to embrace that and to
change the narrative. That's what I'd be doing.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah, I suppose you'd say, there, grow a stern finger
and pick the bogey and flick it across the room.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
What a wonderful tune of frace, What a wonderful What
a wonderful way of putting things. I can't top that.
I gotta get out of the chamber.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
See it Byney.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
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