December 13, 2024 • 20 mins
On Sports Fix with Jason Pine and D'Arcy Waldegrave for 13th December 2024, the Black Caps look to salvage a win in their test series against England. Former Black Cap Ken Rutherford joins the podcast to discuss how they'll look to respond to the two losses.
Piney reflects on the career of Tim Southee on the eve of his last test match.
Plus, the lads are in the chamber to discuss what is going on with the Breakers.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:20):
SAT BE Hello there and welcome to the back end
of another week, to the front end of a weekend,
and to a fresh episode of the Sports Fixed podcast
for today, Friday, December thirteenth. I'm Jason Pine, Dom Darcy
water Grave and it is staggering towards the back end
of my week very much the front end of your
weekend though, Jason Pine, get ready to strap yourself and
(00:41):
it will be huge. It is going to be big
with Test cricket fronts and center. How I wish that
there was something on this Test match as far as
a result in the series. All right, we will talk
about the pride factor when we enter the chamber. Yeah,
but you know, the cricket's obviously there. There's other sports
to talk as well on the podcast today. Who are
(01:02):
we hearing from As far.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
As a guest is concerned, I'm gonna have will we
Yarn with Ken the former New Zealand's at Test skipper
as we preview the fun and games for the last
Test at Home twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Four, looking forward to that and kicking around a few
big topics of the sporting day and the weekend to hit.
So let's get into it. In other news, let's get
underway with some of the exports stories around today. Warriors
boss Cam George Adamant there will be no safety issues
with a pup on New Guinea side entering the NRL
(01:38):
in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
The NRL and the government, both Australia and P and
G are certainly going to have a setup that just
provides a professional environment and you know, I'm sure teams
will be fine going there and that's something that the
NRL would have beensured as.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Part of the deal.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
The Breakers in free fall, crashing to a fifth straight
loss in the Australian Basketball League, are one hundred to
seventy six defeet at home to the Tasmania jack Jumpers
last night.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
It was an impressing before that and the Tazzy jack Jumpers.
The New Zealand Breakers got There's defense twenty's.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Four point loss at home. They are struggling and Marco
Rojas edging closer to a first start for the Wellington
Phoenix since his return to the a League Football club.
He is head coach Jim calo a Taliano head of
tomorrow's match against mccarpough.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Potentially this week you might be starting.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
We'll see how training goes today, but obviously every week
is we're moving closer towards him making a bigger impact.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
With the team.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
Dissecting the sporting agenda, it's Sports Fix with Jason Vine
and Darcy Waldgrave and I.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
We're joined now on the show by former and Island
cricket Test captain Keen ruther.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Th Good evening, Ken, here, God, Darcy.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
How are you? You're looking forward to the last Test
of the season and still a little confused that it
is the last teest of our home season.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Oh ma, it's incredible, isn't it? Disappointed?
Speaker 6 (03:03):
I guess for us to peop who love the Test
crew in February March and you look forward to it
normally historically, I guess traditionally and at that.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Time of the year, but at that time of the season.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
But look, it's it's it's been a good, good series
to date, but I guess the white ball stuff from
here on in for our summer.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
So what do you mean good series to date? The
results haven't been. From a New Zealand perspective, the games
have lasted a very short amount of time. Is at
the speed of the games?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Is that? What?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Why is it a good series to date?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Ken?
Speaker 6 (03:33):
Well, a good series of you if you love your
cricket and see and you want to see move test
matches move move quickly, as it's a tend to do
these days, and you couldn't really blink, could you, And
a lot of a lot of the seasons have played
to date, they've moved forward very very fast. New Zealand
have been below par. I think your expectations after the
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schlank And tour were pretty negative. They've got very very
positive after the Indian to walk dars he the last
two test matches probably was down to earth. But I've
enjoyed watching the cricket. I particularly enjoyed watching the locks
of Harry brook bats. He's had a lot of luck,
to be fair. Sometimes in diversity you see the characters
of players really stand out, and there's been been some
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good performances by New Zealand players individually, but collectively we
just haven't been there, have we?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Is that a hangover from the Indian series because that
was groundbreaking that won't happen again. That's an absolute stunning.
We'll look back at that series and go wow, so
pleased to be around to watch that. Is there a
sense that was all left out there, that's got nothing left.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Look on only the these days, the psychologists and those
people close to the team who really look inwardly against Garcia,
at the players and how they performed on that particular
occasion and that particularly a time can tell us in
retrospect maybe. I mean, I was probably a shock that
surprises as many cricket followers of New Zealand how well
we went into you about two and a half months ago.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
But it was great. We deserved to win India is
an important thing to do. We managed to do that.
We put their betters under pressure, which is a boar.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
We were allowed them to score at times, but we
got them out in between that, between the boundaries and
importantly against India. They're better players than never didn't play
very well. They seen below par and expectations coming here.
I mean the bookmakers told us before the first test
see that it was a pretty much an even serious
against England. It should be should it be an even serious,
(05:29):
But England have out played us, and I think we
we'll look back, particularly our top word of batting, and say, well,
we didn't quite get things right. I mean on not
being a smartie after the event. I mean I was
talking to a couple of notable cricketing people in New
Zealand before the series against England. I said, hell, can
you leave Will Young out? He's the player of the
tourment India. He's just seems matured superbly, competing anywhere in
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the top four or five. He's almost the first betty
you're going to play in the serious against England. Look
his contributions and the first two tests to change the
course of the series and the results.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Maybe not. But by leaving him out, I think we're
behind the April.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Ken rather than joins us the decision about when to
retire or drop one player and pick another player up.
That's going to be an internal battle for the coach
and captain for as long as it comes. And I
think Gary Stead's been very loyal, very faithful to his players.
He's given them plenty of opportunity to climb out of
a hole. Is he gone too far in this case?
Speaker 6 (06:30):
I think when you looked at Tim's Tim's OUDI here obviously, Darcy,
I think.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Now I'm talking about I'm talking about Devin Conwell in
some of the top order before Will Young comes and
we'll go to South in a minute.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Mate, calm down, Okay, yeah, that's fair. Coore. I mean Conway.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
It's look, his performance was all that over the last
maybe eighteen months probably crept up on me as much
as any other cricket follower. It wasn't you really looked
into as the nuts and bolts of his performances that
you realized he serves in close to twenty than thirty
over the last eighteen months. Another player whose stats, when
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when I had a bit of a look about a
month again, was staggeringly poor was Tom Blundell. And of
course he's come out of the last Test and got
a hundred all bit in a situation where where there
probably wasn't a lot of pressure away because we were
going to lose the Test mansion in the series anyway. Yeah, Conways,
I think Conway is a really good example. D I mean,
when when given first came to Aga, I played a
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fair amount of attention Tom because my mate, say there,
I said how well he could play, and I mean
watching in a couple of punk a Shield Manchester, Wellington
at the basement of Bretfis. He can really play the
way play for the side and particularly was startling. But
I think he's a good example of a player who's
committed us all pretty much now to T twenty cricket
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and over the last twelve to eighty months, and he's
probably seen a slight change in his technique and that
he's very much more of a white ball player technically.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Speaking than a red bull player. I think you said
that more and more these days.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
In the modern day players, it's very very hard and
very very seldom you get a player who can play
across all three four months of the game equally well.
And something has to give, and I'm thinking in Devin's
technique and test match creator, something has given.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Ken Rutherford. Love having you on her, love talking cricket
with you.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Mate.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I'm glad they didn't get hit by a truck. You
enjoy yourself, enjoy the test.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I will indeed die so hey, thanks very much, mate,
Sports Facts.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Much as the end of his career has been tinged
with controversy, we shouldn't forget that the curtain is about
to come down on one of the great New Zealand
cricketing careers. When Tim Soudy hangs up his bowling boots
sometime early next week for the red ball game, anyway,
he can reflect on a period of incredible success and
consistency with the black cap on his head and the
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silver fern on his chest. For a pace bowler to
even play one hundred Test matches is a feat in itself,
because the history of the game is strewn with examples
of fast bowlers who never achieved their potential because their
bodies simply let them down. The care and attention Tim
Soudy gave to his fitness and preparation was a huge
part of his long jem going all the way back.
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It would be fair to say he burst onto the
scene the wickets of Michael Vaughan and Andrew Strauss inside
his first three overs in Test cricket, eventually five for
fifty five on debut and then seventy seven off forty
balls in the second innings in a losing run chase.
His batting in the time since has never rarely lived
up to that early promise, although the style has largely
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stayed the same, so much so that he needs just
five more sixers for one hundred Test matches, but his
bowling has certainly lived up to it. Three hundred and
eighty nine Test wickets, second only to Sir Richard Hadley,
among our greatest wicket takers, and at his best one
of the finest exponents of swing bowling we have ever produced.
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In his sweet spot, which I reckon was the three
years or so leading up to and including the World
Test Championship win, he was utterly superb. Five wicket bags
against England home and away, India home and away, Sri Lanka,
the West Indies, South Africa, Australia, everybody. Basically he had
success against and his new ball partnership with Trent Bolt
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with a dash of Neil Wagner thrown in, is a
bowling attack that will likely never be bettered by a
New Zealand pace trio. Yes he probably went on a
bit too long. Yes he's no longer the threat he
once was, and yes this is the time for him
to bow out. But in a game where numbers are
used to demonstrate success, failure and everything in between, more
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than many other sports, Tim Soudy's numbers stack up one
of our greats without a shadow of a doubt.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Let's get into the Chamber for the last time this
week and kick around some of the sports stories that
are making headlines and will over the weekend. We've heard
you talk cricket already on the podcast, Darcy. I am
really hoping against hope in many ways that a fairy
tail occurs and that Tim Soudy bowls New Zealand to
test victory over the next five days or so? Am
(11:10):
I delusional? Or could it happen? Could could there be
some some magic dust sprinkled on this?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
You're romantic and that is a beautiful thing. Why not
think about it? Where do you think he's gonna leave
his glass slipper? Is he going to take a pumpkin
shaped carriage to the poor? We would like that because
we said before, it's pride on the line. It's terrible
and it comes down to playing for pride. It means
if really made a mess of everything else. But I
think the Tim Soudy, those men in there, they'll all
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be playing for him. Even though his form's not being great,
He's been an absolute staple on the side. I don't
know how long now Piney fifty sixty.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Years, Yeah, sixty.
Speaker 8 (11:51):
I don't think it's quite that long.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Dust, But I get where you're coming from. As far
as if he was playing dog at cricket and your
TI times did by seven, maybe it would be that long.
But look, I think you're so right. Every man in
that changing room will want to send him off in style.
You know the other thing that doesn't worry me necessarily
about this Test match. But let's say, for argument's sake,
Will Young gets lots of runs, we don't play Test
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cricket again until the middle of next year. By that stage,
Devin Conway will be back in contention again. I just
wonder whether, even if We'll Young gets a hundred in
this Test, whether he drops out of the Test side
the next time we play with a red ball.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
This argument around when you swap, when you change is
always going to be very strong in our business, isn't
it piny? Like when do you flick someone and say, look,
you've had all your chances, you've got to go. The
new guy's coming, And how long do you keep a
new guy waiting in the wings and wrecking his opportunity?
(12:46):
Was in such good form and this is the situation
we've got right now. I suppose of anything. Gary Stead's
got like six months I think about it, and he
might not even be the Test coach by then. But
it is hard I think that. Sorry to talk all
over you, I can't help myself. The prime example here's
Matt Henry Man. He's sat around for so long, behind Bolt,
behind South, behind Wegner, and now they've gone. Now he's
the senior bowler. And how good has he been this year?
(13:10):
What imagine if we had him in that form for
the last Forget about it, let's not talk about it.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
I'm just I've just written down here a test attack
for the next time we play Test cricket. Matt Henry
will lead it. Obviously. Will O'Rourke is starting to not
come of age as a Test cricket at beginning. He's
finding his feet in the Test game. Ben Sears has
been injured. Another with lightning pace, Kyle Jamison. I don't
know what his situation is, and Nathan Smith. It's not
a bad quintet to choose seam bowlers from the next
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time we play red ball cricket. I know we've lost
Bolt and Wagner and now Southy. But the next wave
maybe is there.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
It's the combination and how that works and who you
want and talk about horses for courses and that's very
much so. But I think that if there's a horse
for every course there is, it's Henry. He'll be fine.
And when Rourke's got that pace going difficult to leave
him out because the key thing here with all fast bowlers,
who's available, who's not snapped in half?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah, And Kyle Jamison, I just hope he doesn't go
the way of others in the past who have been
oh good, you know, but for short bursts and an
injury has curtailed their career. Anyway that can that can
all lie ahead. The Third Test starts in Hamilton eleven
o'clock tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
More than the teams that I'm out until they just
before they get on the field. They're not playing any
silly buggers with that that We'll let us know before
they get out there.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
All right, Auckland f C can go seven from seven.
This's coming Sunday night. Do you mind if I take
the microphone for this one?
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Darcy, Just be known that I'm sitting here in studio
with my yellow Wellington Phoenix shirt on, so you you
be hold on, I'm on the same side.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Carry on, No, I look we can, we can where
all the colors we like. We get the chance to
watch the Phoenix Women and the Men before the Auckland
f C New Boys put that record on the block
again Sunday night, Melbourne City away. Melbourne City are a
good side, Darcy. They are a very very good side
historically and the season they're tucked into fourth place. But momentum,
as we know is a is a thing in sport.
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Some people believe it's quite important, others not so much.
But you can't deny Auckland FC have won six from six.
That's momentum. They've let one goal in across six games.
Now I think is the time we're going to figure
out whether they actually have had a lucky start in
terms of the draw or not. We all know the
back and forth between the coaches etc. With Auckland only
you're having to travel to Australia once in the first
(15:26):
six weeks of the season. They are off to Melbourne
City on Sunday. Look, if they went over there, I
think they have to start, you know, people have to
start saying well, actually, maybe it's not all luck, Maybe
they're quite good.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
How much does it count when you go into a
place with a team that is a good team, The
game is set up to agree with the shadow, the
advancing shadow of a team that hasn't been beaten, and
you say what you want about where they've been playing.
But they've got to turn around now, Melbourne and go
clear in present danger. These guys actually know what they
are doing.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Now.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
How much does that work in the favor of Auckland FC.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, a great point, and I think a lot because
you for a couple of reasons. First of all, if
you go ahead and you're Auckland FC yourselves, all, we've
been here before and every time we have we're won.
So that's confidence, Melbourne said. He look at them and say,
we're up against the side who hasn't lost yet. In fact,
they haven't even drawn yet. They've won every game and
they're ahead of us. Now, how are we going to
do what six other teams haven't yet been able to do?
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So I think it's absolutely a thing.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Well we'll go two A League teams to follow, which
is brilliant, I gotta say, even though I'm leaning way
too much toward the yellow and I'm not quite sure
why I live in Auckland after all, but go figure.
That's it. That's it. Quick prediction before we move on Piney.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I think it'll be a draw. I think this one
will be a draw, maybe a score draw as they
call it. Let's say one all on Sunday night. Now,
can I ask you? Can you take the micro on
this way?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
So I know where you're going with us? And that's
why I.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Snorted, what is going on at the New Zealand Breakers?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Well, I tell you what's going on. They're not harassing
the score as much. Five straight losses in the NBL.
Now I'm going down to the jack Jumpers. They're a
good side. But it's a game of runs, right, we
know this in scoring. I don't know if it's a
season of runs, but they hope it is because this
is a team party that started off so well. And
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I know commentators get a little enthusiastic our Australian friends.
They were calling them title contenders at the start of
the season and they have just fallen. They've staggered. See
Alex Pledger Chief or Man Tree, would ever you want
to call him. He's been tweeting saying that you know
pretty much, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And
I think it's probably referencing Freddy Gillespie moving on and
(17:40):
Tacko Fall moving in and since that ruckus not gone
well for them.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
As it utterly puzzling, utterly puzzling that. And but Terry Copenhan,
the coach, has been quite vocal, hasn't he. This was
not my call. This was something that was put on me.
I was told I was losing Gillespie and gaining Fall
and Tacko fall. You know, look, I think a reasonable
game last night.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
But didn't miss.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, yeah, so that's a reasonable game. And you know
he's been afflicted by injury in the short time that
he's been here. But yeah, it just seems such a
strange thing that the coach is dictated to like that.
I guess it does happen in the likes of the
NBA in those places. I think it's a bit more
foreign down this end of the world, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Well, wait, why the push? Because when Tucko was first
possibly coming over here, though we are very coy about
whether he would play or not, hold on, your whole
family's come over here and look at the place you're
playing the end, but nothing. They couldn't say anything until
they had a spot in the roster. Now, the chat
there was we need an offensive player, we need someone
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who is going to score, we need someone who's going
to lead. And that wasn't Gillespie. But when he was there,
he did enough with his energy and his effort and
the way he runs sides to suggest that he could
be that leader of men. So it is queer, it is.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Indeed, that's a very good word for it. And well,
at least the Breakers get a chance to dust themselves
off and pick themselves up quickly. They take on the
second bottom, Adelaide. Thirty six is tomorrow night in Adelaide,
so let's hope they can arrest this rather alarming losing strength.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
That I'm still a fan. I'm still a fan, hanging
me wrong. I still watch. It's hard, but I still
watch it.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
That is what fandom is all about. And that is
us in the chamber for today.
Speaker 7 (19:19):
Use and a vinion It's Sportsfix with Jason Pine and
Dussy Watergrave.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
And thus comes to an end. Another Sports Fix podcast
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Speaker 8 (19:41):
Darcy, did you say thus? I think I did say thus?
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(20:03):
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Talk between seven and eight on Monday night, and then
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Speaker 4 (20:12):
Same time on Sports Talk seven to eight. Please join
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This is Sportsfix Howard by News Talk.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
SAT BE Hello there and welcome to the back end
of another week, to the front end of a weekend,
and to a fresh episode of the Sports Fixed podcast
for today, Friday, December thirteenth. I'm Jason Pine, Dom Darcy
water Grave and it is staggering towards the back end
of my week very much the front end of your
weekend though, Jason Pine, get ready to strap yourself and
(00:41):
it will be huge. It is going to be big
with Test cricket fronts and center. How I wish that
there was something on this Test match as far as
a result in the series. All right, we will talk
about the pride factor when we enter the chamber. Yeah,
but you know, the cricket's obviously there. There's other sports
to talk as well on the podcast today. Who are
(01:02):
we hearing from As far.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
As a guest is concerned, I'm gonna have will we
Yarn with Ken the former New Zealand's at Test skipper
as we preview the fun and games for the last
Test at Home twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Four, looking forward to that and kicking around a few
big topics of the sporting day and the weekend to hit.
So let's get into it. In other news, let's get
underway with some of the exports stories around today. Warriors
boss Cam George Adamant there will be no safety issues
with a pup on New Guinea side entering the NRL
(01:38):
in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
The NRL and the government, both Australia and P and
G are certainly going to have a setup that just
provides a professional environment and you know, I'm sure teams
will be fine going there and that's something that the
NRL would have beensured as.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Part of the deal.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
The Breakers in free fall, crashing to a fifth straight
loss in the Australian Basketball League, are one hundred to
seventy six defeet at home to the Tasmania jack Jumpers
last night.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
It was an impressing before that and the Tazzy jack Jumpers.
The New Zealand Breakers got There's defense twenty's.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Four point loss at home. They are struggling and Marco
Rojas edging closer to a first start for the Wellington
Phoenix since his return to the a League Football club.
He is head coach Jim calo a Taliano head of
tomorrow's match against mccarpough.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Potentially this week you might be starting.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
We'll see how training goes today, but obviously every week
is we're moving closer towards him making a bigger impact.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
With the team.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
Dissecting the sporting agenda, it's Sports Fix with Jason Vine
and Darcy Waldgrave and I.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
We're joined now on the show by former and Island
cricket Test captain Keen ruther.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Th Good evening, Ken, here, God, Darcy.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
How are you? You're looking forward to the last Test
of the season and still a little confused that it
is the last teest of our home season.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Oh ma, it's incredible, isn't it? Disappointed?
Speaker 6 (03:03):
I guess for us to peop who love the Test
crew in February March and you look forward to it
normally historically, I guess traditionally and at that.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Time of the year, but at that time of the season.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
But look, it's it's it's been a good, good series
to date, but I guess the white ball stuff from
here on in for our summer.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
So what do you mean good series to date? The
results haven't been. From a New Zealand perspective, the games
have lasted a very short amount of time. Is at
the speed of the games?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Is that? What?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Why is it a good series to date?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Ken?
Speaker 6 (03:33):
Well, a good series of you if you love your
cricket and see and you want to see move test
matches move move quickly, as it's a tend to do
these days, and you couldn't really blink, could you, And
a lot of a lot of the seasons have played
to date, they've moved forward very very fast. New Zealand
have been below par. I think your expectations after the
(03:54):
schlank And tour were pretty negative. They've got very very
positive after the Indian to walk dars he the last
two test matches probably was down to earth. But I've
enjoyed watching the cricket. I particularly enjoyed watching the locks
of Harry brook bats. He's had a lot of luck,
to be fair. Sometimes in diversity you see the characters
of players really stand out, and there's been been some
(04:15):
good performances by New Zealand players individually, but collectively we
just haven't been there, have we?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Is that a hangover from the Indian series because that
was groundbreaking that won't happen again. That's an absolute stunning.
We'll look back at that series and go wow, so
pleased to be around to watch that. Is there a
sense that was all left out there, that's got nothing left.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Look on only the these days, the psychologists and those
people close to the team who really look inwardly against Garcia,
at the players and how they performed on that particular
occasion and that particularly a time can tell us in
retrospect maybe. I mean, I was probably a shock that
surprises as many cricket followers of New Zealand how well
we went into you about two and a half months ago.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
But it was great. We deserved to win India is
an important thing to do. We managed to do that.
We put their betters under pressure, which is a boar.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
We were allowed them to score at times, but we
got them out in between that, between the boundaries and
importantly against India. They're better players than never didn't play
very well. They seen below par and expectations coming here.
I mean the bookmakers told us before the first test
see that it was a pretty much an even serious
against England. It should be should it be an even serious,
(05:29):
But England have out played us, and I think we
we'll look back, particularly our top word of batting, and say, well,
we didn't quite get things right. I mean on not
being a smartie after the event. I mean I was
talking to a couple of notable cricketing people in New
Zealand before the series against England. I said, hell, can
you leave Will Young out? He's the player of the
tourment India. He's just seems matured superbly, competing anywhere in
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the top four or five. He's almost the first betty
you're going to play in the serious against England. Look
his contributions and the first two tests to change the
course of the series and the results.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Maybe not. But by leaving him out, I think we're
behind the April.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Ken rather than joins us the decision about when to
retire or drop one player and pick another player up.
That's going to be an internal battle for the coach
and captain for as long as it comes. And I
think Gary Stead's been very loyal, very faithful to his players.
He's given them plenty of opportunity to climb out of
a hole. Is he gone too far in this case?
Speaker 6 (06:30):
I think when you looked at Tim's Tim's OUDI here obviously, Darcy,
I think.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Now I'm talking about I'm talking about Devin Conwell in
some of the top order before Will Young comes and
we'll go to South in a minute.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Mate, calm down, Okay, yeah, that's fair. Coore. I mean Conway.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
It's look, his performance was all that over the last
maybe eighteen months probably crept up on me as much
as any other cricket follower. It wasn't you really looked
into as the nuts and bolts of his performances that
you realized he serves in close to twenty than thirty
over the last eighteen months. Another player whose stats, when
(07:06):
when I had a bit of a look about a
month again, was staggeringly poor was Tom Blundell. And of
course he's come out of the last Test and got
a hundred all bit in a situation where where there
probably wasn't a lot of pressure away because we were
going to lose the Test mansion in the series anyway. Yeah, Conways,
I think Conway is a really good example. D I mean,
when when given first came to Aga, I played a
(07:29):
fair amount of attention Tom because my mate, say there,
I said how well he could play, and I mean
watching in a couple of punk a Shield Manchester, Wellington
at the basement of Bretfis. He can really play the
way play for the side and particularly was startling. But
I think he's a good example of a player who's
committed us all pretty much now to T twenty cricket
(07:49):
and over the last twelve to eighty months, and he's
probably seen a slight change in his technique and that
he's very much more of a white ball player technically.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Speaking than a red bull player. I think you said
that more and more these days.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
In the modern day players, it's very very hard and
very very seldom you get a player who can play
across all three four months of the game equally well.
And something has to give, and I'm thinking in Devin's
technique and test match creator, something has given.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Ken Rutherford. Love having you on her, love talking cricket
with you.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Mate.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I'm glad they didn't get hit by a truck. You
enjoy yourself, enjoy the test.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I will indeed die so hey, thanks very much, mate,
Sports Facts.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Much as the end of his career has been tinged
with controversy, we shouldn't forget that the curtain is about
to come down on one of the great New Zealand
cricketing careers. When Tim Soudy hangs up his bowling boots
sometime early next week for the red ball game, anyway,
he can reflect on a period of incredible success and
consistency with the black cap on his head and the
(08:47):
silver fern on his chest. For a pace bowler to
even play one hundred Test matches is a feat in itself,
because the history of the game is strewn with examples
of fast bowlers who never achieved their potential because their
bodies simply let them down. The care and attention Tim
Soudy gave to his fitness and preparation was a huge
part of his long jem going all the way back.
(09:09):
It would be fair to say he burst onto the
scene the wickets of Michael Vaughan and Andrew Strauss inside
his first three overs in Test cricket, eventually five for
fifty five on debut and then seventy seven off forty
balls in the second innings in a losing run chase.
His batting in the time since has never rarely lived
up to that early promise, although the style has largely
(09:31):
stayed the same, so much so that he needs just
five more sixers for one hundred Test matches, but his
bowling has certainly lived up to it. Three hundred and
eighty nine Test wickets, second only to Sir Richard Hadley,
among our greatest wicket takers, and at his best one
of the finest exponents of swing bowling we have ever produced.
(09:52):
In his sweet spot, which I reckon was the three
years or so leading up to and including the World
Test Championship win, he was utterly superb. Five wicket bags
against England home and away, India home and away, Sri Lanka,
the West Indies, South Africa, Australia, everybody. Basically he had
success against and his new ball partnership with Trent Bolt
(10:13):
with a dash of Neil Wagner thrown in, is a
bowling attack that will likely never be bettered by a
New Zealand pace trio. Yes he probably went on a
bit too long. Yes he's no longer the threat he
once was, and yes this is the time for him
to bow out. But in a game where numbers are
used to demonstrate success, failure and everything in between, more
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than many other sports, Tim Soudy's numbers stack up one
of our greats without a shadow of a doubt.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Let's get into the Chamber for the last time this
week and kick around some of the sports stories that
are making headlines and will over the weekend. We've heard
you talk cricket already on the podcast, Darcy. I am
really hoping against hope in many ways that a fairy
tail occurs and that Tim Soudy bowls New Zealand to
test victory over the next five days or so? Am
(11:10):
I delusional? Or could it happen? Could could there be
some some magic dust sprinkled on this?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
You're romantic and that is a beautiful thing. Why not
think about it? Where do you think he's gonna leave
his glass slipper? Is he going to take a pumpkin
shaped carriage to the poor? We would like that because
we said before, it's pride on the line. It's terrible
and it comes down to playing for pride. It means
if really made a mess of everything else. But I
think the Tim Soudy, those men in there, they'll all
(11:40):
be playing for him. Even though his form's not being great,
He's been an absolute staple on the side. I don't
know how long now Piney fifty sixty.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Years, Yeah, sixty.
Speaker 8 (11:51):
I don't think it's quite that long.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Dust, But I get where you're coming from. As far
as if he was playing dog at cricket and your
TI times did by seven, maybe it would be that long.
But look, I think you're so right. Every man in
that changing room will want to send him off in style.
You know the other thing that doesn't worry me necessarily
about this Test match. But let's say, for argument's sake,
Will Young gets lots of runs, we don't play Test
(12:14):
cricket again until the middle of next year. By that stage,
Devin Conway will be back in contention again. I just
wonder whether, even if We'll Young gets a hundred in
this Test, whether he drops out of the Test side
the next time we play with a red ball.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
This argument around when you swap, when you change is
always going to be very strong in our business, isn't
it piny? Like when do you flick someone and say, look,
you've had all your chances, you've got to go. The
new guy's coming, And how long do you keep a
new guy waiting in the wings and wrecking his opportunity?
(12:46):
Was in such good form and this is the situation
we've got right now. I suppose of anything. Gary Stead's
got like six months I think about it, and he
might not even be the Test coach by then. But
it is hard I think that. Sorry to talk all
over you, I can't help myself. The prime example here's
Matt Henry Man. He's sat around for so long, behind Bolt,
behind South, behind Wegner, and now they've gone. Now he's
the senior bowler. And how good has he been this year?
(13:10):
What imagine if we had him in that form for
the last Forget about it, let's not talk about it.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
I'm just I've just written down here a test attack
for the next time we play Test cricket. Matt Henry
will lead it. Obviously. Will O'Rourke is starting to not
come of age as a Test cricket at beginning. He's
finding his feet in the Test game. Ben Sears has
been injured. Another with lightning pace, Kyle Jamison. I don't
know what his situation is, and Nathan Smith. It's not
a bad quintet to choose seam bowlers from the next
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time we play red ball cricket. I know we've lost
Bolt and Wagner and now Southy. But the next wave
maybe is there.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
It's the combination and how that works and who you
want and talk about horses for courses and that's very
much so. But I think that if there's a horse
for every course there is, it's Henry. He'll be fine.
And when Rourke's got that pace going difficult to leave
him out because the key thing here with all fast bowlers,
who's available, who's not snapped in half?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah, And Kyle Jamison, I just hope he doesn't go
the way of others in the past who have been
oh good, you know, but for short bursts and an
injury has curtailed their career. Anyway that can that can
all lie ahead. The Third Test starts in Hamilton eleven
o'clock tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
More than the teams that I'm out until they just
before they get on the field. They're not playing any
silly buggers with that that We'll let us know before
they get out there.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
All right, Auckland f C can go seven from seven.
This's coming Sunday night. Do you mind if I take
the microphone for this one?
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Darcy, Just be known that I'm sitting here in studio
with my yellow Wellington Phoenix shirt on, so you you
be hold on, I'm on the same side.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Carry on, No, I look we can, we can where
all the colors we like. We get the chance to
watch the Phoenix Women and the Men before the Auckland
f C New Boys put that record on the block
again Sunday night, Melbourne City away. Melbourne City are a
good side, Darcy. They are a very very good side
historically and the season they're tucked into fourth place. But momentum,
as we know is a is a thing in sport.
(15:05):
Some people believe it's quite important, others not so much.
But you can't deny Auckland FC have won six from six.
That's momentum. They've let one goal in across six games.
Now I think is the time we're going to figure
out whether they actually have had a lucky start in
terms of the draw or not. We all know the
back and forth between the coaches etc. With Auckland only
you're having to travel to Australia once in the first
(15:26):
six weeks of the season. They are off to Melbourne
City on Sunday. Look, if they went over there, I
think they have to start, you know, people have to
start saying well, actually, maybe it's not all luck, Maybe
they're quite good.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
How much does it count when you go into a
place with a team that is a good team, The
game is set up to agree with the shadow, the
advancing shadow of a team that hasn't been beaten, and
you say what you want about where they've been playing.
But they've got to turn around now, Melbourne and go
clear in present danger. These guys actually know what they
are doing.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Now.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
How much does that work in the favor of Auckland FC.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, a great point, and I think a lot because
you for a couple of reasons. First of all, if
you go ahead and you're Auckland FC yourselves, all, we've
been here before and every time we have we're won.
So that's confidence, Melbourne said. He look at them and say,
we're up against the side who hasn't lost yet. In fact,
they haven't even drawn yet. They've won every game and
they're ahead of us. Now, how are we going to
do what six other teams haven't yet been able to do?
(16:23):
So I think it's absolutely a thing.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Well we'll go two A League teams to follow, which
is brilliant, I gotta say, even though I'm leaning way
too much toward the yellow and I'm not quite sure
why I live in Auckland after all, but go figure.
That's it. That's it. Quick prediction before we move on Piney.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I think it'll be a draw. I think this one
will be a draw, maybe a score draw as they
call it. Let's say one all on Sunday night. Now,
can I ask you? Can you take the micro on
this way?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
So I know where you're going with us? And that's
why I.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Snorted, what is going on at the New Zealand Breakers?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Well, I tell you what's going on. They're not harassing
the score as much. Five straight losses in the NBL.
Now I'm going down to the jack Jumpers. They're a
good side. But it's a game of runs, right, we
know this in scoring. I don't know if it's a
season of runs, but they hope it is because this
is a team party that started off so well. And
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I know commentators get a little enthusiastic our Australian friends.
They were calling them title contenders at the start of
the season and they have just fallen. They've staggered. See
Alex Pledger Chief or Man Tree, would ever you want
to call him. He's been tweeting saying that you know
pretty much, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And
I think it's probably referencing Freddy Gillespie moving on and
(17:40):
Tacko Fall moving in and since that ruckus not gone
well for them.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
As it utterly puzzling, utterly puzzling that. And but Terry Copenhan,
the coach, has been quite vocal, hasn't he. This was
not my call. This was something that was put on me.
I was told I was losing Gillespie and gaining Fall
and Tacko fall. You know, look, I think a reasonable
game last night.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
But didn't miss.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, yeah, so that's a reasonable game. And you know
he's been afflicted by injury in the short time that
he's been here. But yeah, it just seems such a
strange thing that the coach is dictated to like that.
I guess it does happen in the likes of the
NBA in those places. I think it's a bit more
foreign down this end of the world, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Well, wait, why the push? Because when Tucko was first
possibly coming over here, though we are very coy about
whether he would play or not, hold on, your whole
family's come over here and look at the place you're
playing the end, but nothing. They couldn't say anything until
they had a spot in the roster. Now, the chat
there was we need an offensive player, we need someone
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who is going to score, we need someone who's going
to lead. And that wasn't Gillespie. But when he was there,
he did enough with his energy and his effort and
the way he runs sides to suggest that he could
be that leader of men. So it is queer, it is.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Indeed, that's a very good word for it. And well,
at least the Breakers get a chance to dust themselves
off and pick themselves up quickly. They take on the
second bottom, Adelaide. Thirty six is tomorrow night in Adelaide,
so let's hope they can arrest this rather alarming losing strength.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
That I'm still a fan. I'm still a fan, hanging
me wrong. I still watch. It's hard, but I still
watch it.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
That is what fandom is all about. And that is
us in the chamber for today.
Speaker 7 (19:19):
Use and a vinion It's Sportsfix with Jason Pine and
Dussy Watergrave.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
And thus comes to an end. Another Sports Fix podcast
for today and for this week. But do not worry.
One more week of these is coming. Your way. Next
week Monday afternoon is your next opportunity to hear a
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Speaker 8 (19:41):
Darcy, did you say thus? I think I did say thus?
So Oh School, Jason Fine, I love it. I'm Darcy
Walter Grave. Tell your friends, tell your family. It's any
podcasts where the word thus is used in all seriousness.
And if you want to catch more from myself or Piney,
Piney's got the Control between twelve midday and three pm Saturday,
(20:03):
Sunday weekend Sport He's got it all over again Sports
Talk between seven and eight on Monday night, and then
I climb into the seat Tuesday through Friday.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Same time on Sports Talk seven to eight. Please join
the both of us, because without your ears, Piney, it
seems a little pointless, doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yes, we will see thee then. For more from News
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