July 10, 2025 • 16 mins
On Sports Fix with Elliott Smith & Jason Pine for 10 July 2025, Herald motorsport writer Eric Thompson joins the podcast to discuss longtime Red Bull team principal Christian Horner's sudden sacking after 20 years on the team.
Elliott ponders how Queensland can ever again claim the underdog tag in State of Origin.
And in The Chamber, Piney & Elliott discuss the team unveiled for this weekend's All Blacks test and the surprise of seeing Ioane switching wings.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:20):
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Sports Fix podcast. We're here in association with GJ. Gardner Holmes,
New Zealand's most trusted home builder.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
I'm Jason Pint with Elliott Smith and Wellington. What a treat.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
It's great to be here, Piney in the capital for
the second test countdown is on. We have our all
blacks team and wearing to go for Saturnite.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Looking forward to breaking it down with you in the chamber.
As far as a guest is concerned, today, we've got
some Formula one controversy I suppose you'd call.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
Yeah, Christian Horner out at Red Boy's been there for
twenty years, his services no longer acquired, and we're going
to catch up with Eric Thompson Motorsport Writers to give
us the lowdown on what Eric sorry, on what Christian
Horner has done. And we're too now particularly with an
interest on Liam Lawson and what this means for.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Him and the latest and sports news coming your way too.
So let's get into it. In other news, let's get underway.
As always with some of the biggest sports stories around today,
the Maroons have added another chapter to State of Origin
rugby league folklore.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
It is full time thirteen years after Freddy's Snivel's triumph.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
The Queensland team of twenty twenty.
Speaker 6 (01:27):
One I've had tempted him Intrey to stend.
Speaker 7 (01:30):
Longside eighteen origin forty five year history.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Queensland, led by Cameron Munster, just four days after the
death of his father, have beaten New South Wales twenty
four to twelve and the Game three decider in Sydney.
Christian Horner has been dismissed as Red Bull team principal
and Formula One. The fifty one year old had been
in the role since two thousand and five, overseeing eight
drivers World Championships and six Constructors' titles. Here is SkySports
(01:57):
commentator David Croft.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
The car is not the best car on the grid
anymore less.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Than two years ago it was. It won every race
bar one, during the course of a season. This is
a results business.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Top seed Youngick Center and seven time champion Novak Djokovic
into the Wimbledon Men's tennis semi finals. Djokovic's advanced came
little bit of drama on the second match point when
he is groin threatened to split like a chicken wishbone,
but he has recovered, at least for now.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
He did come at an awkward moment, but somehow I
managed to find a good serve and calls it out.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Obviously, I'm gonna visit this subject now with my physio
and hopefully.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
All be well.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Into the leading evicts.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
We've got just the ticket. It's sports vix. How my
news talks ivy.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
How can Queensland possibly ever claim the underdog tag in
State of Origin ever again with a straight face? How
the Maroons always presented as the plucky underdogs every series,
apart from maybe that eighth straight era, But this year
has surely dispelled that myth for good. They're the bosses
of State of Origin. It doesn't seem to matter with
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their full strength, mid strength, low strength whatever it might be.
Queen's turn up and New South Wales cannot handle being
the favorites. Compare the two sides last night and that decider.
Compare the number of premierships oozing out of the Blues
and the Morons should not have even got close to
winning that game, especially in Sydney. The series have felt
(03:25):
like it was over after that first game. New South
Wales won comfortably and the question was being asked when
Queensland would be able to match it again. Maybe in
the next few years they would go without winning a series,
let alone winning the next game, let alone winning that series.
They've won their twenty fifth State of Origin title. Queensland
have had some plucky wins before and this doesn't necessarily
(03:47):
top them. But it's time to dismerse this idea of
Queensland being the plucky underdogs. They boss origin. They know
what it takes to win. New South Wales do not,
to borrow a common catchcry from Queensland supporters about New
South Wales and state of origin, they just don't get
it and this year has proven just that.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
This is sportsfixes of sports news now by News Talks v.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
All the big news out of Formula one overnight, Christian
Horner gone as Red Bull Racing Team principal, shock news
around the IF one world, Although was it really a
shocked joining us to discuss all of that? New Zealand here?
Motorsport writer Eric Thompson. Eric thanks for your time as always.
Speaker 8 (04:30):
Always a pleasure.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Elliot, how are you?
Speaker 5 (04:32):
I'm very well, thank you. Were you surprised by this?
Has us come as a shock to you?
Speaker 8 (04:38):
I think the speed of it and the suddenness of it.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
Did you know, like Formula One, like any high profile
sport anywhere in the world, you know, the rumor mill
grinds away twenty four hours a day, and you know
there's been not but there is nothing either on the
Twitter verse.
Speaker 8 (04:56):
Or anything like that that hinted out it would happen
literally this week after Silverston. There was nothing really much
at Silverston about it, So I think it's come as
a The timing of it, I think has come as
a huge surprise him actually no longer having anything to
do with because he's still been salaried at Red Bull.
They haven't sort of packed his desk up and escorted
(05:18):
him off to premises. He's just they've got nothing to
do with the racing team anymore. I think that could
have been on the cards at the end of the year.
I thought they might have let him see if he could.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Turn turn it around.
Speaker 9 (05:29):
But I think after Silverston.
Speaker 8 (05:31):
When Yuki scored no points again and sort of Max struggled,
you know, to get points in the car, and there've
been so much off the pace, almost flipping into fourth
in the Constructors Championship that my friend, between fourth and
first place is.
Speaker 9 (05:46):
Tens upon tens of millions of euros, so I think.
And the internal powers struggle has been going on at
Red Bull Gym B between the tie owners and the Metric's.
Speaker 8 (05:57):
Sun and it had to employ but the speed of
it was quite a surprise.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Has Horner Squan did what looked to be a great
position for Red Book, you know, only a couple of
years ago.
Speaker 9 (06:12):
I don't think he's squandered, probably too strong a word.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
I mean, you know, the guy's been vilified quite a
bit because of the.
Speaker 9 (06:19):
Texting, the alleged texting.
Speaker 8 (06:21):
Nobody's ever approved whether those texts were right or wrong,
or where they came from where if they were indeed
even real and funny enough, they came out out of
China or somewhere, so, you know, but suspect there he
was cleared by an independent panel. I mean, he's always
had a reputation of being a bit Sleazy's too big
a word, but you know, Horn your Horner and all
(06:41):
that sort of stuff. But he's you know, he's had
a bit of a reputation, but you don't get to
climb that any greasy pole without being a boardline sociopath
to be successful. You look at moost CEOs around the world.
You know they're little bit dodgy personality wise and don't
really have a moral compass. But I think everybody gets
(07:04):
a bit distracted about, oh, yes, he's gone. I never
really liked them, you know, the cult of personnel he's coming.
He wasn't that likable and I personally didn't mind him.
He was there to do a job, and if you
look at his track record and what he did over
his twenty years there, he started with basically nothing, hired
an awful lot of really good people around him. You
(07:24):
know what, eight year, four and four eight World Drivers Championships,
Constructor Championships, more race wins than teams like Williams. He's
one of the most successful Formula One teams that we
who are seeing, especially in the modern era. Twenty years
as a team principal, I think the next best is
to Toto Wolf and he's had twelve years so barely
(07:44):
half well, just over heart, So you've got to admire
the guy for doing that. But it's like everything, sometimes
your time just comes to an end. Eli really, and
I think there was too much swelling on.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
In Red Bulls going through some very big grief at
the moment, you know, especially the former not Red Bull itself,
but the Formula one arm of it.
Speaker 8 (08:05):
And sometimes it's just we just got to change. We've
got to change, we've got to make Well.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
The big change sort of hanging over this is the
potential for Max Astappen. There's maggestions. Obviously he's got a
clause in his contract that allows them to exit and
Mercedes excuse me, a circling. So how much did the
effect of basically losing the step in camp Max and
his father Yos play into this?
Speaker 8 (08:27):
Well, I think if they if they lose the staff,
and I think you'll be looking at Williams of three
or four years.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Ago, just completely ruddless in a wilderness, no direction, and
they'll have no idea.
Speaker 8 (08:40):
If they lose masks. But again, I'm glad you touched
on Jospah Staff and Max's dad.
Speaker 9 (08:45):
He is an extraordinarily unlikable man.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
And that's just not me saying that, But sons and
fathers have a relationship and you know Max will not
hear a bad words said about his dad. You know,
his dad marches around like he's still in command and
control of the Forum one team. And everybody knows that
Max will do what his dad suggests or guides him
to do. So everybody's got a answer around Max. And
(09:09):
then you got helmet marker. When they're allegedly in Max's
contract that helmet goes, he goes. So you know, everybody's
sort of walking a very thin line. But if Max
does go hypothetically to Mercedes or anybody else, I think
Red Bull are going to go through the doldrums.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Say the Chamber is now in session on Sportsfix, into
the Chamber we go to kick around some sporting issues.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
In fact, just the one really today we've heard from
Eric Thompson on Christian Horner.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Let's talk all Blacks.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
The team for the second Test Saturday night here in
the Capitol, unveiled around ten this morning.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Any surprises when the twenty three names at Urine box.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Rico you only beig on the right wing was a
bit of a surprise to me. Piney because he hasn't
played there in six years and the last time he
did was actually at sky Stadium in a blues jumper
when Caleb Clark was on the left wing, which you'll
also be on Saturday night. So a few similarities there,
but very much a surprise they could have moved well
Orden to fall back. Scott Robinson said that was not
(10:11):
a consideration. He shut that down pretty quickly. But the
fact that they maybe could have gone to a roup
in Love or to Marthy tathertov Na Way on the
right wing. They've scrubbed those out and gone Rico Yuan.
He's our guy. We're moving from the left to the
right and put him there. But otherwise fairly straight forward.
Patrick Tyblodi comes in for Scott Barrett. That's a straight
swab in taver tub naw Way on the reserves. But
(10:32):
so that one stood out to me as a major
selection from the All Blacks. He hasn't played there for
so long, as I say, and he's confident he can
switch wings. But it's a big ass to do that
at test level.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Absolutely it is.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
And I wanted that too, And like you, I was
quite taken with the speed with which Razor at this
press conference that we were both at shut down any
suggestion that they might have started the way they basically
played the whole game and toned and through necessity.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
He clearly sees Will Jordan as his.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Fallback absolutely, and he didn't get see him there last
week because for apart from sort of fifty seven seconds,
and he didn't much in that fifty seven seconds. So
this is a chance to actually see him in that
fullback jersey this week. And they've also made that tweak
on the bench with Tather Tather now why who can
of course play on the wing if needed, and also
can play in midfield with seeing them there for the
Highlanders this season, So both of those options sort of
(11:24):
mean that if one of the wingers were to go
down early, then you do have that insurance policy of
allowing Bill Jordan to remain at fullback. And I actually
quite like that, Piney. I think if he's your fullback,
is your fullback, and you know the tweaking and going
actually it's try and move Damien McKenzie in just creates
another problem. Sco Robinson said this year that they need
to focus on their finishing on their bench, that's ideally
(11:45):
where he wants Damiey McKinsey to be. So by changing
that for another week. It's another week removed from seeing
your best line up out on the park.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Two ball V is again in the sixth jumper, and
this is predictable because if they want to find out
about two V at six, they have to give them
some games there. I just wonder how many games until
they're confident he's a six or confident they can strike
it out. When would he would five games be enough
to end of the Argentina League of the Rugby Championship.
(12:13):
When do you think they'll call this experiment a success
or a failure?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I think they give him these three tests to start there,
and then they make the decision because by that point
they're going to have to look another option potentially if
it's not the right one for South Africa now Argentina.
There's going to be a tough trip in itself two
tests away. Argentine has never been in the All Blacks
on home soil. This is potentially the chance to do
so this year. It's a tough road trip. But if
(12:38):
it's not working after three tests, what does it give?
What success look like after five? You know, how do
you make that decision? So I think they're gonna have
to call it after Hamilton next week and go, yep,
we've seen enough to continue with us or not, we're
going to have to change things around. Whiles the tet
half far away is he maybe Luke Jacobson comes back
into the mix as well, so I think he gets
unto a next weekend. This week, Loombs is pretty pivotal
(13:00):
and he.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Said at the start razor of the series that he
wants to give everybody a game. So he's up to
I think twenty six maybe twenty six players. So if
the All Blacks were to win on Saturday night, would
you expect him to follow through and everybody who hasn't
got a game will get a game in Hamilton.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
That will mean some pretty big changes to the twenty three.
You know, Luke Jacobson hasn't played yet, Antonin at Brown,
Brodie McAllister hasn't played, George Bauer's been in the squad,
so there are a few players that would have to
bring in next week. I wonder whether he would stick
to that if France would have win on Saturday night,
if it was to be one all going to Hamilton,
how much do you throw that promise out the window
and go, actually, we need to put our best players
(13:39):
on the park and win this Test match rather than
seeing what Brodie mckawison might be able to do at
hooker or Noah Hotham at halfback. I think if they
win on Saturday Night and win comfortably, then there's an
opportunity to make a few changes for next week in Hamilton,
find out a little bit more about some of those
players that they haven't seen too much this year, and
also give some game time to the likes of Jacobson
(13:59):
Eleant Brown potentially when they go to that third Test.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
It's all results, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Because I remember when Ireland were here in twenty twenty
two and Roger Tui Vasaschek was in the squad and
they won comfortably in Auckland and then went to Dunedin,
and I get the feeling if they won in Dunedin,
Roger two of us so Sheck probably would have started
the third Test in Wellington with the series sewn up
at won all they couldn't risk and he got what
ten minutes in the end, and then played maybe two
more Tests that year and that was it. So I
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went on Saturday Night's quite important for the overall year,
isn't it?
Speaker 5 (14:28):
That's right, and in some of the selections last year
as well. Billy Proctor didn't get a lot of game
time in the Rugby Championship because they lost to Argentina
here in Wellington, so that forced them to be a
little bit tighter in their selections the following week in
the game at Eden Park that they might have otherwise
looked to blood a few new players, try some different combinations.
So it's kind of remarkable that the domino effect that
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one loss or one poor performance can have not only
the following week, but on players careers and indeed All
Black seasons that you know, sometimes you just can't put
your best players on the week, so you can't put
those players in the park. You don't get to see
them for whatever reason, you don't see them into the
next year. So I can really escalate rather quickly. Ideal
scenario for the All Blacks is they win. They win
well Wellington, they give Scot Robson and Coast some freedom
(15:11):
next week in Hamilton to go. Here's some players that
we want to look at with the year unfolding as
it is.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Just to finish in the chamber today, the All Blacks
we know have improvement in them. Do you perceive that
France do as well?
Speaker 5 (15:24):
I do think they have some improvement, but I think
each week they're out on tour, those leagues get a
little bit heavyer. They've been playing since August of last year,
you know, seming interesting to see what side Fabian Gualtier
rolls out for the Cismetch. We haven't seen it as year.
It's coming out a bit later on tonight, so whether
he wants to rotate around and see some of these
faces again or change things up. I think they've got
(15:46):
improvement in them. They can be a bit more clinical,
for sure, but I also just wonder maybe last week
might have been their best opportunity to one put a
good performance out for two beat the All Blacks, and
maybe the longer this tour goes on, the harder it is,
the easier it is to think of home and wanting
to be on that plane back.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Wonderful stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Well that's us in the chamber today talking specifically and
exclusively Rugby.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
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Speaker 4 (00:29):
I'm Jason Pint with Elliott Smith and Wellington. What a treat.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
It's great to be here, Piney in the capital for
the second test countdown is on. We have our all
blacks team and wearing to go for Saturnite.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Looking forward to breaking it down with you in the chamber.
As far as a guest is concerned, today, we've got
some Formula one controversy I suppose you'd call.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
Yeah, Christian Horner out at Red Boy's been there for
twenty years, his services no longer acquired, and we're going
to catch up with Eric Thompson Motorsport Writers to give
us the lowdown on what Eric sorry, on what Christian
Horner has done. And we're too now particularly with an
interest on Liam Lawson and what this means for.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Him and the latest and sports news coming your way too.
So let's get into it. In other news, let's get underway.
As always with some of the biggest sports stories around today,
the Maroons have added another chapter to State of Origin
rugby league folklore.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
It is full time thirteen years after Freddy's Snivel's triumph.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
The Queensland team of twenty twenty.
Speaker 6 (01:27):
One I've had tempted him Intrey to stend.
Speaker 7 (01:30):
Longside eighteen origin forty five year history.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Queensland, led by Cameron Munster, just four days after the
death of his father, have beaten New South Wales twenty
four to twelve and the Game three decider in Sydney.
Christian Horner has been dismissed as Red Bull team principal
and Formula One. The fifty one year old had been
in the role since two thousand and five, overseeing eight
drivers World Championships and six Constructors' titles. Here is SkySports
(01:57):
commentator David Croft.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
The car is not the best car on the grid
anymore less.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Than two years ago it was. It won every race
bar one, during the course of a season. This is
a results business.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Top seed Youngick Center and seven time champion Novak Djokovic
into the Wimbledon Men's tennis semi finals. Djokovic's advanced came
little bit of drama on the second match point when
he is groin threatened to split like a chicken wishbone,
but he has recovered, at least for now.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
He did come at an awkward moment, but somehow I
managed to find a good serve and calls it out.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Obviously, I'm gonna visit this subject now with my physio
and hopefully.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
All be well.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Into the leading evicts.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
We've got just the ticket. It's sports vix. How my
news talks ivy.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
How can Queensland possibly ever claim the underdog tag in
State of Origin ever again with a straight face? How
the Maroons always presented as the plucky underdogs every series,
apart from maybe that eighth straight era, But this year
has surely dispelled that myth for good. They're the bosses
of State of Origin. It doesn't seem to matter with
(03:04):
their full strength, mid strength, low strength whatever it might be.
Queen's turn up and New South Wales cannot handle being
the favorites. Compare the two sides last night and that decider.
Compare the number of premierships oozing out of the Blues
and the Morons should not have even got close to
winning that game, especially in Sydney. The series have felt
(03:25):
like it was over after that first game. New South
Wales won comfortably and the question was being asked when
Queensland would be able to match it again. Maybe in
the next few years they would go without winning a series,
let alone winning the next game, let alone winning that series.
They've won their twenty fifth State of Origin title. Queensland
have had some plucky wins before and this doesn't necessarily
(03:47):
top them. But it's time to dismerse this idea of
Queensland being the plucky underdogs. They boss origin. They know
what it takes to win. New South Wales do not,
to borrow a common catchcry from Queensland supporters about New
South Wales and state of origin, they just don't get
it and this year has proven just that.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
This is sportsfixes of sports news now by News Talks v.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
All the big news out of Formula one overnight, Christian
Horner gone as Red Bull Racing Team principal, shock news
around the IF one world, Although was it really a
shocked joining us to discuss all of that? New Zealand here?
Motorsport writer Eric Thompson. Eric thanks for your time as always.
Speaker 8 (04:30):
Always a pleasure.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Elliot, how are you?
Speaker 5 (04:32):
I'm very well, thank you. Were you surprised by this?
Has us come as a shock to you?
Speaker 8 (04:38):
I think the speed of it and the suddenness of it.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
Did you know, like Formula One, like any high profile
sport anywhere in the world, you know, the rumor mill
grinds away twenty four hours a day, and you know
there's been not but there is nothing either on the
Twitter verse.
Speaker 8 (04:56):
Or anything like that that hinted out it would happen
literally this week after Silverston. There was nothing really much
at Silverston about it, So I think it's come as
a The timing of it, I think has come as
a huge surprise him actually no longer having anything to
do with because he's still been salaried at Red Bull.
They haven't sort of packed his desk up and escorted
(05:18):
him off to premises. He's just they've got nothing to
do with the racing team anymore. I think that could
have been on the cards at the end of the year.
I thought they might have let him see if he could.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Turn turn it around.
Speaker 9 (05:29):
But I think after Silverston.
Speaker 8 (05:31):
When Yuki scored no points again and sort of Max struggled,
you know, to get points in the car, and there've
been so much off the pace, almost flipping into fourth
in the Constructors Championship that my friend, between fourth and
first place is.
Speaker 9 (05:46):
Tens upon tens of millions of euros, so I think.
And the internal powers struggle has been going on at
Red Bull Gym B between the tie owners and the Metric's.
Speaker 8 (05:57):
Sun and it had to employ but the speed of
it was quite a surprise.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Has Horner Squan did what looked to be a great
position for Red Book, you know, only a couple of
years ago.
Speaker 9 (06:12):
I don't think he's squandered, probably too strong a word.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
I mean, you know, the guy's been vilified quite a
bit because of the.
Speaker 9 (06:19):
Texting, the alleged texting.
Speaker 8 (06:21):
Nobody's ever approved whether those texts were right or wrong,
or where they came from where if they were indeed
even real and funny enough, they came out out of
China or somewhere, so, you know, but suspect there he
was cleared by an independent panel. I mean, he's always
had a reputation of being a bit Sleazy's too big
a word, but you know, Horn your Horner and all
(06:41):
that sort of stuff. But he's you know, he's had
a bit of a reputation, but you don't get to
climb that any greasy pole without being a boardline sociopath
to be successful. You look at moost CEOs around the world.
You know they're little bit dodgy personality wise and don't
really have a moral compass. But I think everybody gets
(07:04):
a bit distracted about, oh, yes, he's gone. I never
really liked them, you know, the cult of personnel he's coming.
He wasn't that likable and I personally didn't mind him.
He was there to do a job, and if you
look at his track record and what he did over
his twenty years there, he started with basically nothing, hired
an awful lot of really good people around him. You
(07:24):
know what, eight year, four and four eight World Drivers Championships,
Constructor Championships, more race wins than teams like Williams. He's
one of the most successful Formula One teams that we
who are seeing, especially in the modern era. Twenty years
as a team principal, I think the next best is
to Toto Wolf and he's had twelve years so barely
(07:44):
half well, just over heart, So you've got to admire
the guy for doing that. But it's like everything, sometimes
your time just comes to an end. Eli really, and
I think there was too much swelling on.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
In Red Bulls going through some very big grief at
the moment, you know, especially the former not Red Bull itself,
but the Formula one arm of it.
Speaker 8 (08:05):
And sometimes it's just we just got to change. We've
got to change, we've got to make Well.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
The big change sort of hanging over this is the
potential for Max Astappen. There's maggestions. Obviously he's got a
clause in his contract that allows them to exit and
Mercedes excuse me, a circling. So how much did the
effect of basically losing the step in camp Max and
his father Yos play into this?
Speaker 8 (08:27):
Well, I think if they if they lose the staff,
and I think you'll be looking at Williams of three
or four years.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Ago, just completely ruddless in a wilderness, no direction, and
they'll have no idea.
Speaker 8 (08:40):
If they lose masks. But again, I'm glad you touched
on Jospah Staff and Max's dad.
Speaker 9 (08:45):
He is an extraordinarily unlikable man.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
And that's just not me saying that, But sons and
fathers have a relationship and you know Max will not
hear a bad words said about his dad. You know,
his dad marches around like he's still in command and
control of the Forum one team. And everybody knows that
Max will do what his dad suggests or guides him
to do. So everybody's got a answer around Max. And
(09:09):
then you got helmet marker. When they're allegedly in Max's
contract that helmet goes, he goes. So you know, everybody's
sort of walking a very thin line. But if Max
does go hypothetically to Mercedes or anybody else, I think
Red Bull are going to go through the doldrums.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Say the Chamber is now in session on Sportsfix, into
the Chamber we go to kick around some sporting issues.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
In fact, just the one really today we've heard from
Eric Thompson on Christian Horner.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Let's talk all Blacks.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
The team for the second Test Saturday night here in
the Capitol, unveiled around ten this morning.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Any surprises when the twenty three names at Urine box.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Rico you only beig on the right wing was a
bit of a surprise to me. Piney because he hasn't
played there in six years and the last time he
did was actually at sky Stadium in a blues jumper
when Caleb Clark was on the left wing, which you'll
also be on Saturday night. So a few similarities there,
but very much a surprise they could have moved well
Orden to fall back. Scott Robinson said that was not
(10:11):
a consideration. He shut that down pretty quickly. But the
fact that they maybe could have gone to a roup
in Love or to Marthy tathertov Na Way on the
right wing. They've scrubbed those out and gone Rico Yuan.
He's our guy. We're moving from the left to the
right and put him there. But otherwise fairly straight forward.
Patrick Tyblodi comes in for Scott Barrett. That's a straight
swab in taver tub naw Way on the reserves. But
(10:32):
so that one stood out to me as a major
selection from the All Blacks. He hasn't played there for
so long, as I say, and he's confident he can
switch wings. But it's a big ass to do that
at test level.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Absolutely it is.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
And I wanted that too, And like you, I was
quite taken with the speed with which Razor at this
press conference that we were both at shut down any
suggestion that they might have started the way they basically
played the whole game and toned and through necessity.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
He clearly sees Will Jordan as his.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Fallback absolutely, and he didn't get see him there last
week because for apart from sort of fifty seven seconds,
and he didn't much in that fifty seven seconds. So
this is a chance to actually see him in that
fullback jersey this week. And they've also made that tweak
on the bench with Tather Tather now why who can
of course play on the wing if needed, and also
can play in midfield with seeing them there for the
Highlanders this season, So both of those options sort of
(11:24):
mean that if one of the wingers were to go
down early, then you do have that insurance policy of
allowing Bill Jordan to remain at fullback. And I actually
quite like that, Piney. I think if he's your fullback,
is your fullback, and you know the tweaking and going
actually it's try and move Damien McKenzie in just creates
another problem. Sco Robinson said this year that they need
to focus on their finishing on their bench, that's ideally
(11:45):
where he wants Damiey McKinsey to be. So by changing
that for another week. It's another week removed from seeing
your best line up out on the park.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Two ball V is again in the sixth jumper, and
this is predictable because if they want to find out
about two V at six, they have to give them
some games there. I just wonder how many games until
they're confident he's a six or confident they can strike
it out. When would he would five games be enough
to end of the Argentina League of the Rugby Championship.
(12:13):
When do you think they'll call this experiment a success
or a failure?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I think they give him these three tests to start there,
and then they make the decision because by that point
they're going to have to look another option potentially if
it's not the right one for South Africa now Argentina.
There's going to be a tough trip in itself two
tests away. Argentine has never been in the All Blacks
on home soil. This is potentially the chance to do
so this year. It's a tough road trip. But if
(12:38):
it's not working after three tests, what does it give?
What success look like after five? You know, how do
you make that decision? So I think they're gonna have
to call it after Hamilton next week and go, yep,
we've seen enough to continue with us or not, we're
going to have to change things around. Whiles the tet
half far away is he maybe Luke Jacobson comes back
into the mix as well, so I think he gets
unto a next weekend. This week, Loombs is pretty pivotal
(13:00):
and he.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Said at the start razor of the series that he
wants to give everybody a game. So he's up to
I think twenty six maybe twenty six players. So if
the All Blacks were to win on Saturday night, would
you expect him to follow through and everybody who hasn't
got a game will get a game in Hamilton.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
That will mean some pretty big changes to the twenty three.
You know, Luke Jacobson hasn't played yet, Antonin at Brown,
Brodie McAllister hasn't played, George Bauer's been in the squad,
so there are a few players that would have to
bring in next week. I wonder whether he would stick
to that if France would have win on Saturday night,
if it was to be one all going to Hamilton,
how much do you throw that promise out the window
and go, actually, we need to put our best players
(13:39):
on the park and win this Test match rather than
seeing what Brodie mckawison might be able to do at
hooker or Noah Hotham at halfback. I think if they
win on Saturday Night and win comfortably, then there's an
opportunity to make a few changes for next week in Hamilton,
find out a little bit more about some of those
players that they haven't seen too much this year, and
also give some game time to the likes of Jacobson
(13:59):
Eleant Brown potentially when they go to that third Test.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
It's all results, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Because I remember when Ireland were here in twenty twenty
two and Roger Tui Vasaschek was in the squad and
they won comfortably in Auckland and then went to Dunedin,
and I get the feeling if they won in Dunedin,
Roger two of us so Sheck probably would have started
the third Test in Wellington with the series sewn up
at won all they couldn't risk and he got what
ten minutes in the end, and then played maybe two
more Tests that year and that was it. So I
(14:25):
went on Saturday Night's quite important for the overall year,
isn't it?
Speaker 5 (14:28):
That's right, and in some of the selections last year
as well. Billy Proctor didn't get a lot of game
time in the Rugby Championship because they lost to Argentina
here in Wellington, so that forced them to be a
little bit tighter in their selections the following week in
the game at Eden Park that they might have otherwise
looked to blood a few new players, try some different combinations.
So it's kind of remarkable that the domino effect that
(14:49):
one loss or one poor performance can have not only
the following week, but on players careers and indeed All
Black seasons that you know, sometimes you just can't put
your best players on the week, so you can't put
those players in the park. You don't get to see
them for whatever reason, you don't see them into the
next year. So I can really escalate rather quickly. Ideal
scenario for the All Blacks is they win. They win
well Wellington, they give Scot Robson and Coast some freedom
(15:11):
next week in Hamilton to go. Here's some players that
we want to look at with the year unfolding as
it is.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Just to finish in the chamber today, the All Blacks
we know have improvement in them. Do you perceive that
France do as well?
Speaker 5 (15:24):
I do think they have some improvement, but I think
each week they're out on tour, those leagues get a
little bit heavyer. They've been playing since August of last year,
you know, seming interesting to see what side Fabian Gualtier
rolls out for the Cismetch. We haven't seen it as year.
It's coming out a bit later on tonight, so whether
he wants to rotate around and see some of these
faces again or change things up. I think they've got
(15:46):
improvement in them. They can be a bit more clinical,
for sure, but I also just wonder maybe last week
might have been their best opportunity to one put a
good performance out for two beat the All Blacks, and
maybe the longer this tour goes on, the harder it is,
the easier it is to think of home and wanting
to be on that plane back.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Wonderful stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Well that's us in the chamber today talking specifically and
exclusively Rugby.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
More to come over the next forty eight hours or so.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
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