May 15, 2025 • 21 mins
On Sports Fix with Jason Pine and D'Arcy Waldegrave for 15th May 2025, the Crusaders suffered a big loss at the hands of the Chiefs over the weekend. Coach Rob Penney joined the podcast to discuss how they're planning to bounce back against the Waratahs this weekend.
D'Arcy offers his thoughts on the price of tickets for All Blacks' test matches.
And the lads are in the chamber to discuss Ryan Fox's PGA Championship chances.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hello there, and welcome into a freshly baked episode. We're
about to be anyway of the Sports Fixed podcast for
Thursday May fifteen. We're here in association with GJ. Gardner Holmes,
New Zealand's most trusted the home Builder. We thank you greatly, GJ.
Garden if your support. I'm Jason Pine, I'm Darcy water Grave.
What have you been doing for this show?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I mean half baked? What is this?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Well?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I feel this before we do the podcast, we're half baked.
At the end of it, we're fully baked and it's
into the oven that is the podcast platform. Am I
drawing the analogy too far?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Possibly? Whatever you do, don't go to Urban Dictionary and
look up baked. I think you get all the wrong ideas.
But that's great to be on with you again, Party
of Mersdy, the last couple of days of mercy since
last Friday.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Great again, It's always good to do this together on
a Thursday and a Friday. Now I know you've got
an interview lined up with Rob Penny. I always enjoy
listening to Rob Penny because, look, he's not the most
effusive of interviewees, but he always gives you something when.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
He listens and he answers the question. He doesn't just
throw various platitudes, and he's very considered when you interview on,
which is what I really really enjoyed. So when we're
talking to him about the Waratars tall, I drag him
back to what was it two thousand and two when
the Crusaders actually walopped the Waratars or best leave that
(01:42):
to one side. Do you remember that, don't you? Nearly
one hundred points?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah? I do. I remember watching that game with a
with a sense of increasing fascination with just how many
didn't someone score a somersault? Tri Mark Mayo, Hofloor or
someone got at is.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
A name for you, Maddens, Mars mayor Halfler Major went
on on, Oh yeah, wow, they were they were the days.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah. Now this intro is taking fart too long. So
Rob Penny's on the show. You and I are going
to kick around a few sporting issues. You've got some
thoughts on ticket pricing and the latest in sports news.
Let's get into it. In other news, Let's get underway
as always by checking out some of the sports stories
making news around the world. To promise from Auckland FC
owner Bill Foley as his side chases a league football history,
(02:30):
The Minor Premiers begin their two leg semi final against
Melbourne victory away on Saturday, before the home fixture the
following Saturday. This will be a winning franchise for as
long as I'm around.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
My job is putting the team on the field and
giving the players the resources to win.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Brett Cameron's miraculous recovery time frame from acl knee surgery
is being applauded by his Hurricanes coach Clarke Laidlad. The
first five will feature off the bench in tomorrow night's
match against the Highlanders, less than seven months after suffering
the injury. A typical repair would normally require nine months plus.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
And spail and watching what you've done our hardly trend
in the gym. Everybody knows who I'm monotonous and lonely
rehab can be, but the sort of fire and crew
they call themselves here, I've supported him.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
And a test of strength and accuracy looms at Golf's
PGA Championship Major teeing off tonight at Quail Hollow in
North Carolina. Ryan Fox underway at around five past eleven.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
The Big Boy Golf Course.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
It's long, the roughs nasty enough because it's been really
wet and the fairways are soaked.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
You've got to hit your drive a pretty.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Good round here this week, and thankfully I've been doing
that US.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And a Vinion. It's Sports Fix with Jason Hine and
Dusty Walter Grave.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
And it's warm. Welcome down to the Sports Fixed podcast.
To Crusaders coach Rob Penny.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
You a't Rob, good afternoon.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I'm very well. I'm really looking forward to what you
guys can do over in Australia. I'd expect You've got
a bit of a punch in the nose last week.
How's that reverberated through the team?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
You know, nobody likes to get beaten, particularly at home.
Chiefs played really really well. We expected that we probably
respond as well as we needed to in a couple
of areas. We've had a great week preparing for what
has traditionally been one of our toughest games of the
year against the Tars, particularly in Sydney. It's a team
(04:32):
that's become a bit of a boging team for the Crusaders.
So we've prepared well again and a short week, but
excited about the opportunity in a bit of rain and
on a bit of a mockey park to Friday night.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Wait, yeah, it's made for you guys. What are we
to do is just dig deep and go back. And
I can't remember the year now were you absolutely touched
them up nearly put a ton on them, right, so
you know you can do it.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I think that might have been two thousand and two,
so that's a few moons ago. There's no doubt the
group's capable. And you know, we're excited about the team
we're putting out and the opportunity in front of.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Us when it comes to playing away. There's only one
New Zealand team that's actually managed to get the cookies
playing in Australia. From what you've observed and seen. Is
there a method to the madness of winning over there?
Is there something that you guys can apply in order
to not break a duck for New Zealand teams? But
turn that narrative around.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Well, I suspect you know Historically there might have been
a little bit of a foot off the throttle against
some of the Australian sides. That's clearly no longer the case.
You've got to prepare as if you're having a New
Zealand Derby match, and you've got to be as deep
(05:57):
in your prep to ensure that you're leaving no stone
unturned and then mentally you're expecting a mess of battle,
which all the Australian teams are providing now and you
know there's no certainty, so you know, if we get
our prep right, we'll be in the in the hunt.
If we don't, it'll be another battle for us at
(06:19):
which we won't be enjoying.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I'm pretty stressful for you from a coaching point of view,
but from a fan point of view. And look, we
said this at the start of the competition. It hasn't changed.
It's getting better and tighter and tighter. This has got
to be good for the overall, not development because they're
professional players, but for guys accelerating up because there's no
easy wins out there now, so it's genuine competition that
(06:42):
this is great for Super rugby.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yeah, I think for the spectators obviously, as you've alluded,
it's it's terrific. It's kept interest right up until you
know the latter part of the comp and what are
we three games out and there's still no certainty about
who's going to be finishing where and it's generating a
lot of interest, So that's got to be good.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
You look at the injury toll and plainly the big drama.
He pulled out last week, as will Jordan with his knee.
You got the latest on how long will he be
back come semi's time? Playoff time? What what are we looking
at there? Rob?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah, I think scheduled for quarterfinals. You know, should everything
work out in now, faver there and if anything happens
to be a bit sooner, that'll be a bonus. But
that's probably where it sits at the moment.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Your other players, you're welcoming back Brandon Enil and that's
got to be a good thing too. He's a terrific midfielder.
He's been beaten up by injury recently, but he brings
so much. Doesn't do that midfield, Yeah, without doubt.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
You know we're we're a team stacked of talent and
having Braiden, you know, performing regularly now for us a
couple of games and he'll continue to grow and improve.
It's been so long since he's been able to string
a runner games together. But it's great for us and
it's great for him that that that's happening.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Now you've got mcnikel, old school mcneckkel out of Whales,
straight beas and now playing. He's coming in that role.
You've held him back for a wee bit. How's he
shaping up because there's a I'm not saying he's got
big boots to feel because he will bring his own boots,
I know that, But where's the energy for him? What
are you relying on him to do? What does he
(08:27):
need to achieve?
Speaker 4 (08:29):
He's a class act. Johnny had a horrific hamstring injury
before the start of the camp. Took a long time
to come right, but he's back to full noise now.
He's had a club game under his belt. He's been
training the house down and the opportunity has arisen obviously
on the battle well. And you know, our expectations around
(08:50):
Johnny are probably less than he has of himself. He's
a great professional, committed man and you know he's had
the experience and been around the traps. No how's to
run a group from behind, and we're excited to have
him back in the max. It was just a matter
of time before he got his opportunity, and it's coming
now and it's great.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Tell us about your new tight hair, new this, I
mean Cussel, Psych's Martin. What does he bring?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Yeah, he's probably been under the radar a little bit
from all in Sundry. He's had a couple of little
injuries that have just held him back as well. Terrific player, mobile, tough,
robust both sides of the ball, defensively and offensively. Loves
it and you know, I guess how our biggest hope
(09:38):
is that he can just start to string some games
together because he's he's a very competent player with a
nice future and without putting too much expectation on him,
you know, we just hope he can string some games
together and prove his value because he's he's certainly got
something in.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Him and on that or any will let you go.
And you're more than on this program. Anytime you keep
saying lessons and maybe it'll start rubbing off on everybody else.
Got on you, mate, No problem. Cheers I'm channeling Balderic today,
the wonderful offsider of black ad It. I have a
(10:14):
cunning plan. There's a story around today talking about the
exorbitant prices people pay to go and watch the All Blacks.
Ill Blacks, of course are the pinnacle of sport here
in New Zealand. They're the big money maker for n
z are. That is their shop window. So I completely
understand one of the ticket prices are so high. As
far as the corporate ticket prices. Look, if you're a
(10:36):
major corporate and you want to impress your clients and
you're willing to shell out twelve hundred bucks per person
to show them the best time ever, by all means
do it. It's absolutely your choice, no problem with that,
as opposed to the high prices for the rank and
file like myself. So I include myself and that to
go along. Yeah, it's expensive. It's a treat that is
(10:58):
a premiere product. I understand why it is so expensive.
Sad though, back in the day going on the embankment
that Lancaster Park and watching Joan Olomu up against the French,
I was just a barman, but I could afford to
go to the embankment and watch the All Blacks. But
that was then. This is now. What the ends that
are really need to do is this. They need to
(11:20):
allocate a small percentage of their tickets for every All
Blacks Test match here in New Zealand. For the kids,
the pr exercise would be fantastic. Say there's fifteen hundred tickets,
split that twenty ways, seventy five seats at the game.
For school children, you get all of the primary schools
(11:42):
in the area, You get them to apply in the lottery,
the draft, whatever you want to call it, and they
do a draw and twenty of those schools get to
send seventy five of their children along to an All
Blacks Test match. You need to target the youth. You
need to get kids' eyeballs on the All Blacks and
experience the game live. They are the future. You need
(12:04):
to tap into that. It may be a crazy idea
and sure particularly difficult to put in place as far
as how you actually allocate the tickets and people cheating
the system, but at the end of the day, without
the children, without the kids, without the youth coming through,
without them having aspirations and being inspired by the All Blacks,
your game is staggering. Look after the youth, water the
(12:28):
dirt and flowers last for you.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Into the Chamber we go. I love that idea of
yours from earlier in the podcast about a section of
tickets for every All Blacks test being sectioned off for schools,
because one thing that I know is true, Dars, and
I think I can say this without fear of contradiction,
is that the sports that we grow to love from
a young age, we grow to love because we experience
(12:56):
them live. There is nothing like going along to live
sport to be the catalyst for a lifelong love of
a sport. And I won't take an argument to the contrary.
I'm afraid no.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
You need to see it to be it. And I've
used that coming far too often recently, but it is
so true in the current environment we're in. And if
these crew are being priced out of all of these games,
and I look understand the inside out, I've got to
make money and this is the primary position to make money.
But if you can't afford sky and you can't get
to the games, that these guys become a myth more
(13:31):
than anything. Don't they look when I first started watching
rugby at Lancaster Park, Blesseds cotton socks, way way way
back in the day. I'll be fair, I was more
interested in the square pies and the Coca Cola than
the rugby. But I was there and I got a
sense of what went on as I grew It's like, oh,
I had this something else besides this rotten food. Look
at those guys.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah. I remember clearly the first time my father took
me to the base in the reserve to watch cricket.
It was what was called the Shell Trophy back then,
a three day match between Wellington and Canterbury, and I
remember walking in the gates and hearing that sound of
leather on willow up close for the first time, and
alling the grass and then all that it's a century
(14:10):
overload and you're right being there, really, you know, not
to use another cliche, being there is everything when it
comes to to starting your love for any sport. The
petrol that you were to smell the first time you
went to watch mo race, you know, which is never
really got out of your noster.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
No.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I think it was Woodford glen Ax. It was Speedway
way back in the day. And then eventually you are
to a poona. But it does, it sits with you,
and it does it sets that spark going, the fuses
lit and like I need to do this. And I
remember my funny shell trophy and shell cup. I remember
the difference because the trophy is the longer word, so
that was the longer version. The cup was shorter, so
(14:46):
it was the one day. That's how I remember that
I was a bit slow back then. I swear that, yeah,
that these these experiences are so instrumental in your development.
Young people, they remember these things and it sticks with
them for a long time.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yep. So find a way in New Zealand rugby, not
just you, but all sporting codes, find a way to
get kids along to your sport. I guess guarantee. We
guarantee that it will not have anything other than a
very positive effect. Now, sticking with children and sport, this
story this morning about a young boy who's told he
can't play age grade rugby with his friends because he
(15:22):
is too heavy. He's nine years old. Age grade rugby
at his age has a weight restriction, and so there's
the very distinct possibility that this young boy who wants
to exercise and who wants to play sport and wants
to be healthy with his mates, won't be able to.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I remember when I was young and I was tiny,
so that this never was a problem for me. But
when I started playing cricket and it wasn't very good,
and I was a bit older, and because I wasn't
very good, I got told to go and play with
the kids beneath me, the third formers, and I was
a fourth former. Now that's the opposite of this guy,
but it's the same run thinking you don't want to
(15:59):
do that. It meantime as a kid you're like, I know,
I want to play those guys. It doesn't matter because
as you grow age means nothing. But the kids for
their engagment it matters. It's huge, and then questioning his
size and who he is, Rugby can't afford to turn
these kids away. And I don't know about you, but
something has to be worked out here. But like I
remember talking to dad about that guy, there's this huge guy.
(16:22):
It's really hard to tackle and you would have heard
this from your old mantell form And he goes if
you can't join their feet together, because no one can
run anywhere their ankles joined together. I'm like, kidding me.
The guy is huge. He guess we'll just dive beneath
his feet, get tangled up on him. He'll come down then.
And I'm like, okay, but I take building character and
(16:43):
back in my dad and the likers Robert, isn't it
more important to get them involved in sport at any level?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
That is the most important thing. That is the most
important thing to us. The child being active is the
most important thing in all of this. So yeah, anyone
who is saying I just let him play up a
couple of grades, that's not the point. He goes to school,
as you say, with with all of us mates are
in the same class. He's nine years old. He doesn't
want to be playing with eleven year old. You know,
they're not as mates, they're not as peers. And the
(17:11):
other thing about this is apparently, from what I can understand,
rugby league don't have the same rule. They just they're
basically if you're nine 'or nine and we all just
play together whether we're twenty five kilos or fifty four kilos.
So I mean, this kid might end up playing rugby league,
but you know, there shouldn't be any impediment to kids
playing sport. I totally get the safety argument. Of course,
(17:32):
there's a reason why these rules or guidelines are there
so that you know, younger kids aren't put off by
the prospect of having to tackle, you know, a boy
who's twice as big as they are. But there has
to be ways around it, right.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Well, what are other ways around it? That's the question
for me. We're both the same way, and we're parents,
so we get all of this. But when it comes
to the application of a way to truncate this issue,
that's hard one. And I can't answer that. I don't know,
and i'd suggest that inns are have been looking long
and deep at this issue because it's a real issue,
(18:06):
and how they bud I don't know you've got any salute.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Dad, No, I don't have any solutions, but I know
that if you know, some smart people sat around a table,
they could come up with one, just as a very
very basic one. Right, what if this boy was allowed
to play in that grade, but you didn't have to
tackle him. All you had to do was do something
like ripper, where so he wore a different color pair
of shorts, and if you got both hands around him
(18:30):
as if you were going to tackle him. That was
him tackled. I don't know, but let the kid play.
Let the kid be involved in the same sporting team
as his mates, and just let him play.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yeah, And with that, I think we're losing you from
News Talk ZB and you're off to wins at Congratulations mate.
That is a great idea. That's a great idea. You
go on places Piney.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Well, I'd just like to try and think outside the
square now before we go, before we get outside the square,
that there's the chamber Ryan Fox. Is this a free
hit for him at the PGA Championship?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Of course it is. What a great time he had
of it last week. Like I've been feverishly looking through
the internet and like AI can't even help me. There
must have been some players that have come fresh off
a victor in the PGA and the very next weekend
they have won a major. It's bound to have happened.
But when I got online for that, they just kept
on telling me about repeat major winners. And I'm like,
(19:20):
listen to that question. So like AI might be magic,
but not in this case it isn't. But do you
know of anyone who's done that? There must have been
a case.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
There must have been. And what it lends itself to
I guess is this feeling of momentum? And does you know,
does is that even a thing in sport? We could
talk long about that some You know, if you've won
three games in a row, is it more likely that
you're going to win the fourth game or not? If
you've just won a golf tournament, is it more likely
or not that you're going to win the next one?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
You might not look bent, right, you might be mentally
because the goal's four days. It really takes it out
and you can understand it like, oh, and.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
He's played four straight weekends as well, for sorry, four
straight tournaments. This was supposed to be his weekend off
on the only way it's not his weekend off is
if he wins at Myrtle Beach, which he did, so
he's now going, oh, no, I've got to go and
play a major. Of course he wants to do it.
But look, I don't know what our expectation should be.
But can I just say I love Ryan Fox? What
a champion.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I love him too, He's a superb character. I sent
him a text after the thing and I said, may
you get him head on you tonight, you know, go well, mate,
be safe And the next day of his then he goes,
don't feel great. I don't feel great and I've got
a big driver ahead of me. So thanks Foxy. He
is the everyman. The way he looks, the way he plays,
in the way he responds. He's a he's a star.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
He's on the tea tonight at five past eleven. We'll
look forward to seeing how he goes in the first
two rounds anyway off the PGA Championship. He makes the
cut and can play across the weekend. That is us
in the chamber for today.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
See we can talk piny maybe when you do this
every day together so we can release some of this energy.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
This is Sportsfix, your daily does of sports news how
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Speaker 2 (20:56):
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(21:35):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hello there, and welcome into a freshly baked episode. We're
about to be anyway of the Sports Fixed podcast for
Thursday May fifteen. We're here in association with GJ. Gardner Holmes,
New Zealand's most trusted the home Builder. We thank you greatly, GJ.
Garden if your support. I'm Jason Pine, I'm Darcy water Grave.
What have you been doing for this show?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I mean half baked? What is this?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Well?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I feel this before we do the podcast, we're half baked.
At the end of it, we're fully baked and it's
into the oven that is the podcast platform. Am I
drawing the analogy too far?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Possibly? Whatever you do, don't go to Urban Dictionary and
look up baked. I think you get all the wrong ideas.
But that's great to be on with you again, Party
of Mersdy, the last couple of days of mercy since
last Friday.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Great again, It's always good to do this together on
a Thursday and a Friday. Now I know you've got
an interview lined up with Rob Penny. I always enjoy
listening to Rob Penny because, look, he's not the most
effusive of interviewees, but he always gives you something when.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
He listens and he answers the question. He doesn't just
throw various platitudes, and he's very considered when you interview on,
which is what I really really enjoyed. So when we're
talking to him about the Waratars tall, I drag him
back to what was it two thousand and two when
the Crusaders actually walopped the Waratars or best leave that
(01:42):
to one side. Do you remember that, don't you? Nearly
one hundred points?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah? I do. I remember watching that game with a
with a sense of increasing fascination with just how many
didn't someone score a somersault? Tri Mark Mayo, Hofloor or
someone got at is.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
A name for you, Maddens, Mars mayor Halfler Major went
on on, Oh yeah, wow, they were they were the days.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah. Now this intro is taking fart too long. So
Rob Penny's on the show. You and I are going
to kick around a few sporting issues. You've got some
thoughts on ticket pricing and the latest in sports news.
Let's get into it. In other news, Let's get underway
as always by checking out some of the sports stories
making news around the world. To promise from Auckland FC
owner Bill Foley as his side chases a league football history,
(02:30):
The Minor Premiers begin their two leg semi final against
Melbourne victory away on Saturday, before the home fixture the
following Saturday. This will be a winning franchise for as
long as I'm around.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
My job is putting the team on the field and
giving the players the resources to win.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Brett Cameron's miraculous recovery time frame from acl knee surgery
is being applauded by his Hurricanes coach Clarke Laidlad. The
first five will feature off the bench in tomorrow night's
match against the Highlanders, less than seven months after suffering
the injury. A typical repair would normally require nine months plus.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
And spail and watching what you've done our hardly trend
in the gym. Everybody knows who I'm monotonous and lonely
rehab can be, but the sort of fire and crew
they call themselves here, I've supported him.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
And a test of strength and accuracy looms at Golf's
PGA Championship Major teeing off tonight at Quail Hollow in
North Carolina. Ryan Fox underway at around five past eleven.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
The Big Boy Golf Course.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
It's long, the roughs nasty enough because it's been really
wet and the fairways are soaked.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
You've got to hit your drive a pretty.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Good round here this week, and thankfully I've been doing
that US.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And a Vinion. It's Sports Fix with Jason Hine and
Dusty Walter Grave.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
And it's warm. Welcome down to the Sports Fixed podcast.
To Crusaders coach Rob Penny.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
You a't Rob, good afternoon.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I'm very well. I'm really looking forward to what you
guys can do over in Australia. I'd expect You've got
a bit of a punch in the nose last week.
How's that reverberated through the team?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
You know, nobody likes to get beaten, particularly at home.
Chiefs played really really well. We expected that we probably
respond as well as we needed to in a couple
of areas. We've had a great week preparing for what
has traditionally been one of our toughest games of the
year against the Tars, particularly in Sydney. It's a team
(04:32):
that's become a bit of a boging team for the Crusaders.
So we've prepared well again and a short week, but
excited about the opportunity in a bit of rain and
on a bit of a mockey park to Friday night.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Wait, yeah, it's made for you guys. What are we
to do is just dig deep and go back. And
I can't remember the year now were you absolutely touched
them up nearly put a ton on them, right, so
you know you can do it.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
I think that might have been two thousand and two,
so that's a few moons ago. There's no doubt the
group's capable. And you know, we're excited about the team
we're putting out and the opportunity in front of.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Us when it comes to playing away. There's only one
New Zealand team that's actually managed to get the cookies
playing in Australia. From what you've observed and seen. Is
there a method to the madness of winning over there?
Is there something that you guys can apply in order
to not break a duck for New Zealand teams? But
turn that narrative around.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Well, I suspect you know Historically there might have been
a little bit of a foot off the throttle against
some of the Australian sides. That's clearly no longer the case.
You've got to prepare as if you're having a New
Zealand Derby match, and you've got to be as deep
(05:57):
in your prep to ensure that you're leaving no stone
unturned and then mentally you're expecting a mess of battle,
which all the Australian teams are providing now and you
know there's no certainty, so you know, if we get
our prep right, we'll be in the in the hunt.
If we don't, it'll be another battle for us at
(06:19):
which we won't be enjoying.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I'm pretty stressful for you from a coaching point of view,
but from a fan point of view. And look, we
said this at the start of the competition. It hasn't changed.
It's getting better and tighter and tighter. This has got
to be good for the overall, not development because they're
professional players, but for guys accelerating up because there's no
easy wins out there now, so it's genuine competition that
(06:42):
this is great for Super rugby.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yeah, I think for the spectators obviously, as you've alluded,
it's it's terrific. It's kept interest right up until you
know the latter part of the comp and what are
we three games out and there's still no certainty about
who's going to be finishing where and it's generating a
lot of interest, So that's got to be good.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
You look at the injury toll and plainly the big drama.
He pulled out last week, as will Jordan with his knee.
You got the latest on how long will he be
back come semi's time? Playoff time? What what are we looking
at there? Rob?
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah, I think scheduled for quarterfinals. You know, should everything
work out in now, faver there and if anything happens
to be a bit sooner, that'll be a bonus. But
that's probably where it sits at the moment.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Your other players, you're welcoming back Brandon Enil and that's
got to be a good thing too. He's a terrific midfielder.
He's been beaten up by injury recently, but he brings
so much. Doesn't do that midfield, Yeah, without doubt.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
You know we're we're a team stacked of talent and
having Braiden, you know, performing regularly now for us a
couple of games and he'll continue to grow and improve.
It's been so long since he's been able to string
a runner games together. But it's great for us and
it's great for him that that that's happening.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Now you've got mcnikel, old school mcneckkel out of Whales,
straight beas and now playing. He's coming in that role.
You've held him back for a wee bit. How's he
shaping up because there's a I'm not saying he's got
big boots to feel because he will bring his own boots,
I know that, But where's the energy for him? What
are you relying on him to do? What does he
(08:27):
need to achieve?
Speaker 4 (08:29):
He's a class act. Johnny had a horrific hamstring injury
before the start of the camp. Took a long time
to come right, but he's back to full noise now.
He's had a club game under his belt. He's been
training the house down and the opportunity has arisen obviously
on the battle well. And you know, our expectations around
(08:50):
Johnny are probably less than he has of himself. He's
a great professional, committed man and you know he's had
the experience and been around the traps. No how's to
run a group from behind, and we're excited to have
him back in the max. It was just a matter
of time before he got his opportunity, and it's coming
now and it's great.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Tell us about your new tight hair, new this, I
mean Cussel, Psych's Martin. What does he bring?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Yeah, he's probably been under the radar a little bit
from all in Sundry. He's had a couple of little
injuries that have just held him back as well. Terrific player, mobile, tough,
robust both sides of the ball, defensively and offensively. Loves
it and you know, I guess how our biggest hope
(09:38):
is that he can just start to string some games
together because he's he's a very competent player with a
nice future and without putting too much expectation on him,
you know, we just hope he can string some games
together and prove his value because he's he's certainly got
something in.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Him and on that or any will let you go.
And you're more than on this program. Anytime you keep
saying lessons and maybe it'll start rubbing off on everybody else.
Got on you, mate, No problem. Cheers I'm channeling Balderic today,
the wonderful offsider of black ad It. I have a
(10:14):
cunning plan. There's a story around today talking about the
exorbitant prices people pay to go and watch the All Blacks.
Ill Blacks, of course are the pinnacle of sport here
in New Zealand. They're the big money maker for n
z are. That is their shop window. So I completely
understand one of the ticket prices are so high. As
far as the corporate ticket prices. Look, if you're a
(10:36):
major corporate and you want to impress your clients and
you're willing to shell out twelve hundred bucks per person
to show them the best time ever, by all means
do it. It's absolutely your choice, no problem with that,
as opposed to the high prices for the rank and
file like myself. So I include myself and that to
go along. Yeah, it's expensive. It's a treat that is
(10:58):
a premiere product. I understand why it is so expensive.
Sad though, back in the day going on the embankment
that Lancaster Park and watching Joan Olomu up against the French,
I was just a barman, but I could afford to
go to the embankment and watch the All Blacks. But
that was then. This is now. What the ends that
are really need to do is this. They need to
(11:20):
allocate a small percentage of their tickets for every All
Blacks Test match here in New Zealand. For the kids,
the pr exercise would be fantastic. Say there's fifteen hundred tickets,
split that twenty ways, seventy five seats at the game.
For school children, you get all of the primary schools
(11:42):
in the area, You get them to apply in the lottery,
the draft, whatever you want to call it, and they
do a draw and twenty of those schools get to
send seventy five of their children along to an All
Blacks Test match. You need to target the youth. You
need to get kids' eyeballs on the All Blacks and
experience the game live. They are the future. You need
(12:04):
to tap into that. It may be a crazy idea
and sure particularly difficult to put in place as far
as how you actually allocate the tickets and people cheating
the system, but at the end of the day, without
the children, without the kids, without the youth coming through,
without them having aspirations and being inspired by the All Blacks,
your game is staggering. Look after the youth, water the
(12:28):
dirt and flowers last for you.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Into the Chamber we go. I love that idea of
yours from earlier in the podcast about a section of
tickets for every All Blacks test being sectioned off for schools,
because one thing that I know is true, Dars, and
I think I can say this without fear of contradiction,
is that the sports that we grow to love from
a young age, we grow to love because we experience
(12:56):
them live. There is nothing like going along to live
sport to be the catalyst for a lifelong love of
a sport. And I won't take an argument to the contrary.
I'm afraid no.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
You need to see it to be it. And I've
used that coming far too often recently, but it is
so true in the current environment we're in. And if
these crew are being priced out of all of these games,
and I look understand the inside out, I've got to
make money and this is the primary position to make money.
But if you can't afford sky and you can't get
to the games, that these guys become a myth more
(13:31):
than anything. Don't they look when I first started watching
rugby at Lancaster Park, Blesseds cotton socks, way way way
back in the day. I'll be fair, I was more
interested in the square pies and the Coca Cola than
the rugby. But I was there and I got a
sense of what went on as I grew It's like, oh,
I had this something else besides this rotten food. Look
at those guys.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah. I remember clearly the first time my father took
me to the base in the reserve to watch cricket.
It was what was called the Shell Trophy back then,
a three day match between Wellington and Canterbury, and I
remember walking in the gates and hearing that sound of
leather on willow up close for the first time, and
alling the grass and then all that it's a century
(14:10):
overload and you're right being there, really, you know, not
to use another cliche, being there is everything when it
comes to to starting your love for any sport. The
petrol that you were to smell the first time you
went to watch mo race, you know, which is never
really got out of your noster.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
No.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I think it was Woodford glen Ax. It was Speedway
way back in the day. And then eventually you are
to a poona. But it does, it sits with you,
and it does it sets that spark going, the fuses
lit and like I need to do this. And I
remember my funny shell trophy and shell cup. I remember
the difference because the trophy is the longer word, so
that was the longer version. The cup was shorter, so
(14:46):
it was the one day. That's how I remember that
I was a bit slow back then. I swear that, yeah,
that these these experiences are so instrumental in your development.
Young people, they remember these things and it sticks with
them for a long time.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yep. So find a way in New Zealand rugby, not
just you, but all sporting codes, find a way to
get kids along to your sport. I guess guarantee. We
guarantee that it will not have anything other than a
very positive effect. Now, sticking with children and sport, this
story this morning about a young boy who's told he
can't play age grade rugby with his friends because he
(15:22):
is too heavy. He's nine years old. Age grade rugby
at his age has a weight restriction, and so there's
the very distinct possibility that this young boy who wants
to exercise and who wants to play sport and wants
to be healthy with his mates, won't be able to.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I remember when I was young and I was tiny,
so that this never was a problem for me. But
when I started playing cricket and it wasn't very good,
and I was a bit older, and because I wasn't
very good, I got told to go and play with
the kids beneath me, the third formers, and I was
a fourth former. Now that's the opposite of this guy,
but it's the same run thinking you don't want to
(15:59):
do that. It meantime as a kid you're like, I know,
I want to play those guys. It doesn't matter because
as you grow age means nothing. But the kids for
their engagment it matters. It's huge, and then questioning his
size and who he is, Rugby can't afford to turn
these kids away. And I don't know about you, but
something has to be worked out here. But like I
remember talking to dad about that guy, there's this huge guy.
(16:22):
It's really hard to tackle and you would have heard
this from your old mantell form And he goes if
you can't join their feet together, because no one can
run anywhere their ankles joined together. I'm like, kidding me.
The guy is huge. He guess we'll just dive beneath
his feet, get tangled up on him. He'll come down then.
And I'm like, okay, but I take building character and
(16:43):
back in my dad and the likers Robert, isn't it
more important to get them involved in sport at any level?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
That is the most important thing. That is the most
important thing to us. The child being active is the
most important thing in all of this. So yeah, anyone
who is saying I just let him play up a
couple of grades, that's not the point. He goes to school,
as you say, with with all of us mates are
in the same class. He's nine years old. He doesn't
want to be playing with eleven year old. You know,
they're not as mates, they're not as peers. And the
(17:11):
other thing about this is apparently, from what I can understand,
rugby league don't have the same rule. They just they're
basically if you're nine 'or nine and we all just
play together whether we're twenty five kilos or fifty four kilos.
So I mean, this kid might end up playing rugby league,
but you know, there shouldn't be any impediment to kids
playing sport. I totally get the safety argument. Of course,
(17:32):
there's a reason why these rules or guidelines are there
so that you know, younger kids aren't put off by
the prospect of having to tackle, you know, a boy
who's twice as big as they are. But there has
to be ways around it, right.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Well, what are other ways around it? That's the question
for me. We're both the same way, and we're parents,
so we get all of this. But when it comes
to the application of a way to truncate this issue,
that's hard one. And I can't answer that. I don't know,
and i'd suggest that inns are have been looking long
and deep at this issue because it's a real issue,
(18:06):
and how they bud I don't know you've got any salute.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Dad, No, I don't have any solutions, but I know
that if you know, some smart people sat around a table,
they could come up with one, just as a very
very basic one. Right, what if this boy was allowed
to play in that grade, but you didn't have to
tackle him. All you had to do was do something
like ripper, where so he wore a different color pair
of shorts, and if you got both hands around him
(18:30):
as if you were going to tackle him. That was
him tackled. I don't know, but let the kid play.
Let the kid be involved in the same sporting team
as his mates, and just let him play.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yeah, And with that, I think we're losing you from
News Talk ZB and you're off to wins at Congratulations mate.
That is a great idea. That's a great idea. You
go on places Piney.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Well, I'd just like to try and think outside the
square now before we go, before we get outside the square,
that there's the chamber Ryan Fox. Is this a free
hit for him at the PGA Championship?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Of course it is. What a great time he had
of it last week. Like I've been feverishly looking through
the internet and like AI can't even help me. There
must have been some players that have come fresh off
a victor in the PGA and the very next weekend
they have won a major. It's bound to have happened.
But when I got online for that, they just kept
on telling me about repeat major winners. And I'm like,
(19:20):
listen to that question. So like AI might be magic,
but not in this case it isn't. But do you
know of anyone who's done that? There must have been
a case.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
There must have been. And what it lends itself to
I guess is this feeling of momentum? And does you know,
does is that even a thing in sport? We could
talk long about that some You know, if you've won
three games in a row, is it more likely that
you're going to win the fourth game or not? If
you've just won a golf tournament, is it more likely
or not that you're going to win the next one?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
You might not look bent, right, you might be mentally
because the goal's four days. It really takes it out
and you can understand it like, oh, and.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
He's played four straight weekends as well, for sorry, four
straight tournaments. This was supposed to be his weekend off
on the only way it's not his weekend off is
if he wins at Myrtle Beach, which he did, so
he's now going, oh, no, I've got to go and
play a major. Of course he wants to do it.
But look, I don't know what our expectation should be.
But can I just say I love Ryan Fox? What
a champion.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I love him too, He's a superb character. I sent
him a text after the thing and I said, may
you get him head on you tonight, you know, go well, mate,
be safe And the next day of his then he goes,
don't feel great. I don't feel great and I've got
a big driver ahead of me. So thanks Foxy. He
is the everyman. The way he looks, the way he plays,
in the way he responds. He's a he's a star.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
He's on the tea tonight at five past eleven. We'll
look forward to seeing how he goes in the first
two rounds anyway off the PGA Championship. He makes the
cut and can play across the weekend. That is us
in the chamber for today.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
See we can talk piny maybe when you do this
every day together so we can release some of this energy.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
This is Sportsfix, your daily does of sports news how
and by news talks evy.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
We can discuss that a little later day, but what
we have to do now is get out of the
whole thing. That is the end of the Sports Fix podcast.
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Speaker 3 (21:14):
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(21:35):
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Speaker 2 (21:43):
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