April 8, 2025 • 16 mins
On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave for Tuesday April 8, 2025 - Warren Lees, former Blackcaps test coach, weighs in on Gary Stead stepping away as the New Zealand white ball coach - and still deciding his future in the test format.
D’Arcy delivers an opinion on why football fans need to up their game in the stands.
Plus, Newstalk ZB sports journalist Nathan Limm joins the panel to discuss Codie Taylor's call for more player 'sabbaticals'.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from News Talks. It'd be
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Welcome to Sportsfix, your daily dose of sport.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Why hello there, and welcome on into the Sports Fixed podcast.
My name is Darcy Waldergrave. It is all sport Tuesday,
the eighth of April twenty twenty five lined up for
you today, we'll be joined by Warren Lees, a former
New Zealand coach. As we look at Gary stead step
away from the white ball roles, will he retain his
(00:43):
role as a test coach. We'll find out what should
be happening with Warren Lees. Shortly, I got some opinions
on the idiots that are ten matches that decide the
best thing they can do is create trouble violence. STI
List goes on stop It and Nathan Limb joins us
in the chamber as we toss around some of the
(01:04):
big sports stories of the day. That's our master plan.
Let's have us delivered with and received with joy. Let's
get into it. In other news, let's get a wee
ear full of sport today. Black Caps coach Gary Steve
will no longer coach the White ball disciplines and needs
time to reflect before he makes a call on the
(01:27):
test role. Andrew Ordison reports.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
The national men's side will need a new white ball
mentor after Gary Steed's decision to step away from those
formats at the expiry of his contract in June. Steeds
asked for more time to decide if he wants to
remain test coach, planning to go upstairs to the DRS,
to his wife, family and other confidants over the coming weeks.
He'said in Cricket will list the role shortly, but I
(01:50):
open minded over whether they'll allow a split coaching model
for the first time.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Jacob Rattamatuvuki neat Ken's got through sixty minutes of club rugby.
It's been six months since he broke his neck and
he's aiming at a Highlanders return forthwith I'm in better
shape than I was last year.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
It's all the credits, so Lovis and c team, our coaches, trainers,
so feel like I'm at a good place.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And it's Masters Week. The stunning albeit pompous golf major,
complete with dyed water and grass, will be two times
when of Bernard Langer's last time forty one appearances, Lordie.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Very emotional.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
You can tell already my voice is breaking a bit, just.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Realizing it's going to be my last competitive Masters after
four decades.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
It's going to be bittersweet, use and a villion. It's
Sports Fix with Jason Pine and Dussy Waterergrave.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Warren Lee's former coach of the Black Caps, joins us
now Warren Gary Stead has walked away from the white
ball coaching job. He may or may not carry on
in the red bull role. First up, do you need
to replace him with two people? Walk away from the
red bull roll? And how come he's messing around? What's
(03:12):
the deal? Should he just walk now?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
I actually I don't know what we should do. But
he carries on with the red ball. I know that
the load he's carried over an awfully long time, and
changing captains and changing assistant coaches, and going on extensive
tools and trying to fit in some time with family,
it weighs heavily on you in the end. And I
(03:36):
can see why that the program coming up in the
next year would be pretty difficult for him to continue.
But the red ball game, there's not a lot of
red ball cricket in the next year. Three home games
to a quick tourder Zimbabwe for two Tests. It's about
all I can find. And I think he's got a
pretty good rapport with some of the senior players. And
(03:57):
as we're turning over some new players at the moment
and possibly in the immediate future, I think it'd be
good to have Gary Steed just around for a little
bit longer with the red ball.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You don't get me wrong what I'm out. I was
just trying to fire you up, Warren Lee. Any One
who wins the World Test Championship and then defeats India
in their backyard three nil, frankly, they can take as
long as they want to make their mind up, right, Well, I.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Think so, And I think I think he's been one
of those coaches who's a little bit of the old,
old fashioned mold. He hasn't sought the limelight. You never
saw him dancing around after they beat him during that.
You never saw him seeking the media or he would
answer the questions if ask. He's a quiet, unassuming type.
(04:44):
He knows to be in the background, and I think
he does an awful lot of work working around the staff.
He's got these days. Sometimes you wonder about the coaching
role because I don't know they directly do a lot
of coaching with a lot of individuals, because there's a
lot of as the bowling coach, as a fielding coach,
there's a slip catching coach, there's a batting so I
(05:06):
think the job is more of a man and management role,
and I think he's done that particularly well.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
You get someone else to come and do white ball,
maybe they want to do red ball. I don't know,
but is it a good idea to run two different
coaches for a couple of versions of the national sport.
It's not an unusual idea. It's been done globally. Will
that work here in New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
In the past, I don't know that it would have
because we didn't have such a big group of players.
We possibly in the past only had I don't know,
sixteen or seventeen players that we could pick from, there'd
be one or two thrown into the white ball games
against the lesser countries, I guess. But these days we've
got an awful lot of players who have played for
(05:47):
the New Zealand and New Zealand Team's twenty fifty and
Test match cricket, and we've probably got twenty six players,
and we could pick any team any eleven from any
of those twenty six players. So I don't think it's
that important to have someone looking over both versions of
the game. I think that, as I said before, the
(06:10):
workload is possibly a little bit too heavy for family people,
and therefore you've got to break that up, and I
think that's one of the ways of doing it. I
think it's quite possible that it works with most other
teams now. And also we've got senior players who played
both versions of the game, and therefore they sort of
equal out the fact that an experienced player an experienced
(06:32):
coach may not be there. So no, I think it's
fine to have a white ball coach and a red
bull coach.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Dare I say it? Warren Lees? Is there an issue
if you bring someone else completely new and who's not
been involved the likes of your Jacob Oram and Craig
McMillan's been there, done that, You've got Luke Ronky in there,
you bring a new set of eyesen Would that be
a positive or that cause an issue with you in
(06:59):
your happy family? Because the Otago Voltz coach, the form
one anyway, Rob Walt is he's left the South African side,
and his name apparently is up in lights right now.
That good thing or a disturbance of the.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Force underneath it all and all this discussion about the
Ronkies and the Wattlings and the Urams and the Fulton's
and all these different names you could come up with.
And I rate all of those players, by the way,
and probably his coaches as well. But there's a bit
more behind the Rob Walter thing. The fact that he
went back and took over the South African role. By
the sound of it, family still here in New Zealand,
(07:33):
and now he's resigned from the South African job. Well,
it's hardly a surprise if he comes back and takes
over the white ball team. It sort of looks like,
if you read between the lines, it was almost like
a plan, and I wouldn't be surprised if that happened.
If he came back. He knows that he knows the
people I've already mentioned, he knows the people who are around
(07:53):
that team. He's obviously has an extensive record coaching, and
he wouldn't have got the South African job, which has
recently held had he not had good references from his
past position, so I should imagine he's the favorite right
now to take over the white ball coaching staff, not
as white bull coach, but to actually take over the
(08:16):
coaching staff of the white ball team.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Warren Lees, thank you very much for your time. Always appreciate.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Sports.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Is it unjust of me to complain of football fans
when it comes to violence in the stands. What happened
over the weekend with the Western Sydney Wanderers and Auckland
FC is the last thing any of us want to
read about when it comes to a tending sport. Here
in New Zealand, by and large we're a good bunch.
(08:46):
We don't cause issues like that. We don't want to
break the nose of the opposition fan. We want to
go along, have a pye, have a beer, enjoy a
match and then go home again without being beaten up
by some idiot in the crowd. I don't know if
this is solely a football situation appears though when you
(09:07):
talk of violence and the fans stands, it's all about football.
What other sport has such a proliferation of aggression within
the fan base. I can understand to a degree. No, actually,
I can't understand to a degree at all why it
even happens. They need to find the perpetrator, Shame the perpetrator,
(09:31):
kick the perpetrator out of the game forever ever are men,
and you know what for good measure, stick them in
stocks and let us throw fresh fruit and rotting vegetables
at them. Hey, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth,
cabbage in the face, stop being uncouth.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
We are now in session on sports.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
We wint to open the chamber doors and there awaits
Nathan Limb from news Talk ZEBB sports journalist Limbster, have
you ever been called that before?
Speaker 5 (10:03):
No, I haven't got I've eard liminador before.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Okay, yeah, Limpster. I'm the fifty five year old with
the dodgy knee. I'm the limpster around here, no doubt
about that. A big day today for New Zealand cricket.
Gary Stead said, look no more. I might carry on
coaching the Test team, but I might not find a
white ball replacement. I'm going to sit over here for
(10:27):
a bit and have a cup of tea. That's fair right, Well.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
If anyone's earned that right to have a bit of
time to think about it, it's Gary Stead, given everything
he's achieved, thinking World Test Championship victory, the three Nils
sweep in India, these a sort of unheralded or unprecedented
again wait, but yeah, it was outrageous. It was outrageous.
So if anyone's earned that right, I think he has
(10:51):
the question for New Zealand cricketers now, do we go
with the split coaching format, bring Gary back into coach
the Test team or do we want to persevere with
having one coach across three formats. And I just had
a chat to Brian Stronik of NZC about that and
he said they've got a very reopen mind about it.
So there is a chance that Gary Stead comes back
(11:12):
to them and says, yes, I want to coach the
Test team and they go, I, actually we're going to
stick with the single coach format and they turn them
down effectively, So they've got they've still got to go
through this process. They said they don't know who's going
to apply for the role, and there's obviously a bit
of a gray area about when people come to them.
Are they just applying for the white ball roles, are
they applying for all three roles. There's a lot of
(11:32):
moving parts here that in z C have to consider.
But they said that they will head hunt. They will
look for people outside offshore as well. But he said
he doesn't really think that there's anyone who isn't who's
a potential candidate who they're not already talking to. They
keep tabs on all these people all around the world.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Well, so am I saying there, No, they might tap
on a few shoulders and a head hunt. That's not
saying they won't look at the wrong keys of this world.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
No, no, no, I mean, well, we've seen over the
last few years the black Caps coaching group share the
head coaching responsibilities. When Gary's had some time off, if
you know, other people have stepped in and led the side.
It's been sort of a rotation almost at times. And
obviously Gary instead is the top dog. But to have
multiple people doing these coaching roles, it's not something that
(12:20):
will be unfamiliar to the black Caps environment or to
the players, I think. But indeed, see, you know, I'm
sure they'll look at a player feedback and.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Seem what do they have to say? No, you just
do it. You're told when our team will get packed
and then the coach got that team and they have
to coach them, but they wouldn't pick the team itself.
It's a bit disjointed. That won't go back to that.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
I think it would be unwise not to consult at
least the senior players on how that will all work,
because at the end of the day, they're the ones
out on the park and they need the best setup
for them to succeed. And that's what Brian Stronach talked
about to the media just before, is that we just
want the best coach for the environment right now, and
maybe that's Gary Stead in the test environment. Maybe it isn't.
(13:01):
But again there's just a lot of moving parts and
it remains to be seeing who will come forward, and
there's no real timeline on when ENZC will do side,
whether they want the split coaching or the single coaching format,
or when Gary Stead is going to tell them if
he wants to coach the testing.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Talking with former New Zealand coach or Wally Lees, Warren
Lees before coined the idea of a cartel. So you've
got a whole group of them doing it, and then
you've got a puppeteer at the top of all like
a director of cricket. That's not out of the question,
is it. Maybe Stead takes a director of cricket role
and he's got some minions underneath them controlling everything.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
That could be that could be a possibility. Yeah, it's
just for me the confusion around the director of cricket.
We hear director of rugby a lot. Where does the
line get blurred into them just being the head coach
as opposed to director of rugby. Because Wayne Smith was
director of rugby for the Black Fans when they won
the World Cup and he was he was the head coach.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
He does whatever he wants to be the director, right,
isn't that the way it works? Well?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
I guess so. Well is Gary the head coach or
is he the director of cricket.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Let's just leave this up to New Zealand cricket. That
is their problem, not ours. You see that Rake from
the All Blacks and Crusaders as well as come out
and said I had a great six months off. Did
he want Cody Taylor? Maybe other players want to do
this too. Do you see this happening on a more
regular basis part of their contract? Not for old season
(14:23):
guys who have been around one thousand years. But hey,
you play for us, we're going to give you this
much time off a year. Again, it comes back to
that rest in rotation, all the other arguments when it
comes to what brings us the best rugby players.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Yeah, in terms of I mean, I think it works
well at the moment where that luxury is afforded to
the more senior players. Will it become more common? I
think probably given the volume of the players, the volume
of rugby that all these players have to undergo. The
question becomes whether the players can use that sabbatical, that
time off to go and play rugby overseas and maximize
(14:58):
the earning potential because we have obviously Boden Barrett takes
a sabbatical when he goes to Japan, and so it's
like he's having a rest, but he's actually playing rugby
the whole way through it.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
It's not anything you're not resting, although playing in Japan
maybe it is resting, but still.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
I don't know if it is because the qualities keeps
going up in Japan, because I don't think it is.
I mean, I'm sure it's less brutal than super rugby,
but to say he's going over there and he's just
throwing the ball around the playing a bit at touch.
I don't think that's quite right.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
It's so like he was doing over the weekend, and
he's doing particularly well against the Hurricanes.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Well, Cody Taylor's actually taken a proper sabbatical, which is
he just rested. He actually just didn't play any rugby,
spent time with the family, and I really rate that.
I think you would come and mentally and physically refreshed.
I think if you're going to be dealing out sabbaticals
to players who are actually just going to go overseas
and carry on doing the same thing, it's not really
a sabbatical, and they're therefore not going to be any
(15:53):
more refreshed mentally or physically coming back and putting on
a show for New Zealand. So I think if those,
if sabbaticals are going to be dished out more common,
it has to be you're going to have a rest ring.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
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Why hello there, and welcome on into the Sports Fixed podcast.
My name is Darcy Waldergrave. It is all sport Tuesday,
the eighth of April twenty twenty five lined up for
you today, we'll be joined by Warren Lees, a former
New Zealand coach. As we look at Gary stead step
away from the white ball roles, will he retain his
(00:43):
role as a test coach. We'll find out what should
be happening with Warren Lees. Shortly, I got some opinions
on the idiots that are ten matches that decide the
best thing they can do is create trouble violence. STI
List goes on stop It and Nathan Limb joins us
in the chamber as we toss around some of the
(01:04):
big sports stories of the day. That's our master plan.
Let's have us delivered with and received with joy. Let's
get into it. In other news, let's get a wee
ear full of sport today. Black Caps coach Gary Steve
will no longer coach the White ball disciplines and needs
time to reflect before he makes a call on the
(01:27):
test role. Andrew Ordison reports.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
The national men's side will need a new white ball
mentor after Gary Steed's decision to step away from those
formats at the expiry of his contract in June. Steeds
asked for more time to decide if he wants to
remain test coach, planning to go upstairs to the DRS,
to his wife, family and other confidants over the coming weeks.
He'said in Cricket will list the role shortly, but I
(01:50):
open minded over whether they'll allow a split coaching model
for the first time.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Jacob Rattamatuvuki neat Ken's got through sixty minutes of club rugby.
It's been six months since he broke his neck and
he's aiming at a Highlanders return forthwith I'm in better
shape than I was last year.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
It's all the credits, so Lovis and c team, our coaches, trainers,
so feel like I'm at a good place.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And it's Masters Week. The stunning albeit pompous golf major,
complete with dyed water and grass, will be two times
when of Bernard Langer's last time forty one appearances, Lordie.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Very emotional.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
You can tell already my voice is breaking a bit, just.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Realizing it's going to be my last competitive Masters after
four decades.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
It's going to be bittersweet, use and a villion. It's
Sports Fix with Jason Pine and Dussy Waterergrave.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Warren Lee's former coach of the Black Caps, joins us
now Warren Gary Stead has walked away from the white
ball coaching job. He may or may not carry on
in the red bull role. First up, do you need
to replace him with two people? Walk away from the
red bull roll? And how come he's messing around? What's
(03:12):
the deal? Should he just walk now?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
I actually I don't know what we should do. But
he carries on with the red ball. I know that
the load he's carried over an awfully long time, and
changing captains and changing assistant coaches, and going on extensive
tools and trying to fit in some time with family,
it weighs heavily on you in the end. And I
(03:36):
can see why that the program coming up in the
next year would be pretty difficult for him to continue.
But the red ball game, there's not a lot of
red ball cricket in the next year. Three home games
to a quick tourder Zimbabwe for two Tests. It's about
all I can find. And I think he's got a
pretty good rapport with some of the senior players. And
(03:57):
as we're turning over some new players at the moment
and possibly in the immediate future, I think it'd be
good to have Gary Steed just around for a little
bit longer with the red ball.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You don't get me wrong what I'm out. I was
just trying to fire you up, Warren Lee. Any One
who wins the World Test Championship and then defeats India
in their backyard three nil, frankly, they can take as
long as they want to make their mind up, right, Well, I.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Think so, And I think I think he's been one
of those coaches who's a little bit of the old,
old fashioned mold. He hasn't sought the limelight. You never
saw him dancing around after they beat him during that.
You never saw him seeking the media or he would
answer the questions if ask. He's a quiet, unassuming type.
(04:44):
He knows to be in the background, and I think
he does an awful lot of work working around the staff.
He's got these days. Sometimes you wonder about the coaching
role because I don't know they directly do a lot
of coaching with a lot of individuals, because there's a
lot of as the bowling coach, as a fielding coach,
there's a slip catching coach, there's a batting so I
(05:06):
think the job is more of a man and management role,
and I think he's done that particularly well.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
You get someone else to come and do white ball,
maybe they want to do red ball. I don't know,
but is it a good idea to run two different
coaches for a couple of versions of the national sport.
It's not an unusual idea. It's been done globally. Will
that work here in New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
In the past, I don't know that it would have
because we didn't have such a big group of players.
We possibly in the past only had I don't know,
sixteen or seventeen players that we could pick from, there'd
be one or two thrown into the white ball games
against the lesser countries, I guess. But these days we've
got an awful lot of players who have played for
(05:47):
the New Zealand and New Zealand Team's twenty fifty and
Test match cricket, and we've probably got twenty six players,
and we could pick any team any eleven from any
of those twenty six players. So I don't think it's
that important to have someone looking over both versions of
the game. I think that, as I said before, the
(06:10):
workload is possibly a little bit too heavy for family people,
and therefore you've got to break that up, and I
think that's one of the ways of doing it. I
think it's quite possible that it works with most other
teams now. And also we've got senior players who played
both versions of the game, and therefore they sort of
equal out the fact that an experienced player an experienced
(06:32):
coach may not be there. So no, I think it's
fine to have a white ball coach and a red
bull coach.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Dare I say it? Warren Lees? Is there an issue
if you bring someone else completely new and who's not
been involved the likes of your Jacob Oram and Craig
McMillan's been there, done that, You've got Luke Ronky in there,
you bring a new set of eyesen Would that be
a positive or that cause an issue with you in
(06:59):
your happy family? Because the Otago Voltz coach, the form
one anyway, Rob Walt is he's left the South African side,
and his name apparently is up in lights right now.
That good thing or a disturbance of the.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Force underneath it all and all this discussion about the
Ronkies and the Wattlings and the Urams and the Fulton's
and all these different names you could come up with.
And I rate all of those players, by the way,
and probably his coaches as well. But there's a bit
more behind the Rob Walter thing. The fact that he
went back and took over the South African role. By
the sound of it, family still here in New Zealand,
(07:33):
and now he's resigned from the South African job. Well,
it's hardly a surprise if he comes back and takes
over the white ball team. It sort of looks like,
if you read between the lines, it was almost like
a plan, and I wouldn't be surprised if that happened.
If he came back. He knows that he knows the
people I've already mentioned, he knows the people who are around
(07:53):
that team. He's obviously has an extensive record coaching, and
he wouldn't have got the South African job, which has
recently held had he not had good references from his
past position, so I should imagine he's the favorite right
now to take over the white ball coaching staff, not
as white bull coach, but to actually take over the
(08:16):
coaching staff of the white ball team.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Warren Lees, thank you very much for your time. Always appreciate.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Sports.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Is it unjust of me to complain of football fans
when it comes to violence in the stands. What happened
over the weekend with the Western Sydney Wanderers and Auckland
FC is the last thing any of us want to
read about when it comes to a tending sport. Here
in New Zealand, by and large we're a good bunch.
(08:46):
We don't cause issues like that. We don't want to
break the nose of the opposition fan. We want to
go along, have a pye, have a beer, enjoy a
match and then go home again without being beaten up
by some idiot in the crowd. I don't know if
this is solely a football situation appears though when you
(09:07):
talk of violence and the fans stands, it's all about football.
What other sport has such a proliferation of aggression within
the fan base. I can understand to a degree. No, actually,
I can't understand to a degree at all why it
even happens. They need to find the perpetrator, Shame the perpetrator,
(09:31):
kick the perpetrator out of the game forever ever are men,
and you know what for good measure, stick them in
stocks and let us throw fresh fruit and rotting vegetables
at them. Hey, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth,
cabbage in the face, stop being uncouth.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
We are now in session on sports.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
We wint to open the chamber doors and there awaits
Nathan Limb from news Talk ZEBB sports journalist Limbster, have
you ever been called that before?
Speaker 5 (10:03):
No, I haven't got I've eard liminador before.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Okay, yeah, Limpster. I'm the fifty five year old with
the dodgy knee. I'm the limpster around here, no doubt
about that. A big day today for New Zealand cricket.
Gary Stead said, look no more. I might carry on
coaching the Test team, but I might not find a
white ball replacement. I'm going to sit over here for
(10:27):
a bit and have a cup of tea. That's fair right, Well.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
If anyone's earned that right to have a bit of
time to think about it, it's Gary Stead, given everything
he's achieved, thinking World Test Championship victory, the three Nils
sweep in India, these a sort of unheralded or unprecedented
again wait, but yeah, it was outrageous. It was outrageous.
So if anyone's earned that right, I think he has
(10:51):
the question for New Zealand cricketers now, do we go
with the split coaching format, bring Gary back into coach
the Test team or do we want to persevere with
having one coach across three formats. And I just had
a chat to Brian Stronik of NZC about that and
he said they've got a very reopen mind about it.
So there is a chance that Gary Stead comes back
(11:12):
to them and says, yes, I want to coach the
Test team and they go, I, actually we're going to
stick with the single coach format and they turn them
down effectively, So they've got they've still got to go
through this process. They said they don't know who's going
to apply for the role, and there's obviously a bit
of a gray area about when people come to them.
Are they just applying for the white ball roles, are
they applying for all three roles. There's a lot of
(11:32):
moving parts here that in z C have to consider.
But they said that they will head hunt. They will
look for people outside offshore as well. But he said
he doesn't really think that there's anyone who isn't who's
a potential candidate who they're not already talking to. They
keep tabs on all these people all around the world.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Well, so am I saying there, No, they might tap
on a few shoulders and a head hunt. That's not
saying they won't look at the wrong keys of this world.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
No, no, no, I mean, well, we've seen over the
last few years the black Caps coaching group share the
head coaching responsibilities. When Gary's had some time off, if
you know, other people have stepped in and led the side.
It's been sort of a rotation almost at times. And
obviously Gary instead is the top dog. But to have
multiple people doing these coaching roles, it's not something that
(12:20):
will be unfamiliar to the black Caps environment or to
the players, I think. But indeed, see, you know, I'm
sure they'll look at a player feedback and.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Seem what do they have to say? No, you just
do it. You're told when our team will get packed
and then the coach got that team and they have
to coach them, but they wouldn't pick the team itself.
It's a bit disjointed. That won't go back to that.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
I think it would be unwise not to consult at
least the senior players on how that will all work,
because at the end of the day, they're the ones
out on the park and they need the best setup
for them to succeed. And that's what Brian Stronach talked
about to the media just before, is that we just
want the best coach for the environment right now, and
maybe that's Gary Stead in the test environment. Maybe it isn't.
(13:01):
But again there's just a lot of moving parts and
it remains to be seeing who will come forward, and
there's no real timeline on when ENZC will do side,
whether they want the split coaching or the single coaching format,
or when Gary Stead is going to tell them if
he wants to coach the testing.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Talking with former New Zealand coach or Wally Lees, Warren
Lees before coined the idea of a cartel. So you've
got a whole group of them doing it, and then
you've got a puppeteer at the top of all like
a director of cricket. That's not out of the question,
is it. Maybe Stead takes a director of cricket role
and he's got some minions underneath them controlling everything.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
That could be that could be a possibility. Yeah, it's
just for me the confusion around the director of cricket.
We hear director of rugby a lot. Where does the
line get blurred into them just being the head coach
as opposed to director of rugby. Because Wayne Smith was
director of rugby for the Black Fans when they won
the World Cup and he was he was the head coach.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
He does whatever he wants to be the director, right,
isn't that the way it works? Well?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
I guess so. Well is Gary the head coach or
is he the director of cricket.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Let's just leave this up to New Zealand cricket. That
is their problem, not ours. You see that Rake from
the All Blacks and Crusaders as well as come out
and said I had a great six months off. Did
he want Cody Taylor? Maybe other players want to do
this too. Do you see this happening on a more
regular basis part of their contract? Not for old season
(14:23):
guys who have been around one thousand years. But hey,
you play for us, we're going to give you this
much time off a year. Again, it comes back to
that rest in rotation, all the other arguments when it
comes to what brings us the best rugby players.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Yeah, in terms of I mean, I think it works
well at the moment where that luxury is afforded to
the more senior players. Will it become more common? I
think probably given the volume of the players, the volume
of rugby that all these players have to undergo. The
question becomes whether the players can use that sabbatical, that
time off to go and play rugby overseas and maximize
(14:58):
the earning potential because we have obviously Boden Barrett takes
a sabbatical when he goes to Japan, and so it's
like he's having a rest, but he's actually playing rugby
the whole way through it.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
It's not anything you're not resting, although playing in Japan
maybe it is resting, but still.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
I don't know if it is because the qualities keeps
going up in Japan, because I don't think it is.
I mean, I'm sure it's less brutal than super rugby,
but to say he's going over there and he's just
throwing the ball around the playing a bit at touch.
I don't think that's quite right.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
It's so like he was doing over the weekend, and
he's doing particularly well against the Hurricanes.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Well, Cody Taylor's actually taken a proper sabbatical, which is
he just rested. He actually just didn't play any rugby,
spent time with the family, and I really rate that.
I think you would come and mentally and physically refreshed.
I think if you're going to be dealing out sabbaticals
to players who are actually just going to go overseas
and carry on doing the same thing, it's not really
a sabbatical, and they're therefore not going to be any
(15:53):
more refreshed mentally or physically coming back and putting on
a show for New Zealand. So I think if those,
if sabbaticals are going to be dished out more common,
it has to be you're going to have a rest ring.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Fenced and on that one, Nathan Lynn will get you
out of the studio. Thanks very much for Jordan Us
in the Chamber, Sports Sex and Darcy Blows Sportsbooks podcast.
Another Day, Another Dollar. Tuesday, the eighth of April twenty
twenty five. That's been at I've been Darcy water Grave
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