On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave for 23rd September 2025, New Zealand athletes are facing a growing risk of being targeted by international match fixers, as the number of sporting events being streamed live continues to grow. D'Arcy spoke with Sport Integrity Commission CE Rebecca Rolls about the issue.
D'Arcy shared his thoughts on the All Blacks' recent inability to close out games.
And D'Arcy and NZ Herald sports journalist Alex Powell discuss Liam Lawson and his career-best finish at the Baku F1 grand prix as well as the upcoming All Blacks test against the Wallabies at Eden Park.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Welcome on into the Sports Next podcast. Hi, I'm Darcy
Walter Grave.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
This is it.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
We'll Tuesday twenty third of September twenty twenty five in
association with DJ Gardner Holmes and New Zealand's most trusted
home builder. This is the Fix prepared for you. On
today's at broadcast. We'll be talking with Rebecca Roles. Rebecca
is the CEO of the Sport Integrity Commission. A lot
(00:45):
going on in the overseas gambling space. How do they
deal with that? What warnings have they got? What are
they doing about this increased pressure situation. I've got some
hot takes around the state of the All Blacks right now.
What a chaotic mess that team is? Is it going
to change? Maybe? Maybe not? And in the chamber we'll
(01:06):
be joined by Alex how He's a Sports Road of
four of the New Zealand herold will be talking a
lot about the Formula one because he's a geek like
I am, and weave it about the upcoming up bled
Slow Cup match had Eden Park between the All Blacks
and the Wallabies. This is the sports fack. So it's
a Tuesday, twenty third of September twenty twenty five. Let's
(01:26):
get into it. In other news in the world of
teen to fifteen second grabs is today's sport. The ball
respect is near the top of the agenda for the
All Black coaching staff and the lead up to the
Eden Park Protection Society clash against the Wallabies on that
Saturday night, Assistant coach Scott Hansen had this to say.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
As Tom's especially in the Soufkan game and it's it
has happened earlier on where we give the fallback to
the opposition, we don't need to so whether that's whether
that's kicked too often or whether that's losing the battle
in the air.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
The motorsport mastermind of the New Zealand at Wings and
Slits category, the Castrol Formula Racing Oceania Series formerly the
Toyter Series, has spoken. Barry Thomlinson says regardless of Liam
Lawson's outstanding result at the Azerbaijan GP, the Red Ball
team will keep exerting demands on the young Kiwi ahead
(02:21):
of the naming of the second first team driver.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
They will keep the pressure on all of their drivers apart.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
From Max obviously, to perform and get points, to get
results so that they're capable of one of their Formula.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
One seats and Blackburn's open side. Georgia Miller's brother amused
with reaction to her so called mystery injury and forced
stand down ahead of last week's semi final loss to Canada.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Just hearing from people at home like, oh, you've created
a media storm, like everyone wants.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
To know, but no, that was pretty crack up.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
A lot of speculation and people, you know, guessing this
and there.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Here you go. Some sports quotes for Today News a Bean.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
It's Sportsfix with Dancie Valde Greve, joined.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Now by Rebecca Roles. He's the chief executive of a
Sport Integrity Commission as we look at the vext situation
of sports betting through New Zealand sports and particularly local football.
High Rebecca, to talk to you and great to have
you on as well. Thanks for your time. This is
(03:29):
interesting for a number of reasons. This article came out
suggesting that todd plus million dollars was waged on Mean's
domestic Football League through twenty twenty four and that pricks
everybody's ears up. And I suppose in your role you'll
be particularly interested not only in this, but the amount
of money that's been pumped through this will open your
(03:51):
eyes much.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Absolutely, it's pretty i watering in fact, doesn't it. And
bearing in mind most of that is unregulated gambling, you
know you can pretty quickly sort of start to think
about what the dangers are and what football is a
good example, and it's the one talked about here, and
there's some agible numbers and that sort of thing, but
you know it happens across sporting codes in New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
We need to be alert to it to keep our
people safe.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
In your role or in the Commission's role, what first
and foremost is your responsibility and is your movement toward
looking after this space, because that a gest. You can't
eradicate it, can you?
Speaker 6 (04:30):
No, No, you can't. You can't eradicate any poor behavior.
Actually you can. You can prohibit it, but it's impossible
to prevent.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
But look, we first and foremost raising awareness I think
around that's fixing spot flexing, supporting organizations to protect against it,
working with our international partners to respond and you know,
learning as much as we can along the way as well.
And that's that's for athletes, but also officials or people
who work with athletes and officials to really know help
(04:57):
them to know what nextfixing looks like, how to identify
when others are vulnerable to it. And we put a
lot of time and effort into resources on our website
and some micro learning it and look that continue. We
know it's an area that New Zealand is fairly early
in Korea if you like, or mature, and so we
know we've got a journey to take people on. But
(05:19):
also we know that people have hundreds of thousands of
really positive interactions in the sport and recreation sector, so
we want to keep it that way.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
So very green in this area. People aren't really that aware,
but it's new I suppose because of the nature of
the timing of the sport that the distance of it
that people are slightly more vulnerable. So you're into protecting
the athletes first and foremost, and that can only come
through through education. You can't do much else, can you.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Absolutely well, it's a big part of it, and that's
certainly where we put most of our resources.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
In the alt our context, you know, we're a little
bit more vulnerable because of our time zone.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
We're playing sport and there's not much else on, so
you know that makes us easy.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Pickings for that.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
We've got comparatively low pay for athletes and officials and amateurs, so.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
You know that education can be a bit patchy.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
And also the amount of sport being streamed now right
around the world but certainly from New Zealand even at
school and community level. So you put all those things
together and you know that's sort of where we start
our discussions and start thinking about how to.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Keep people safe.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And look if as part of the work that's baked
into our Integrity Code, but if people sports are able
to prohibit behaviors around a competition manipulation, and then we
can take action.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
So we are a regulator and can take action in
those circumstances.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
But look, the best action is always prevention, as you know,
so certainly that awareness raising and education is a big
part for us, and.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
Knowing that we are green and.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
You know, it can look like lots of different things
in different sports, and sports themselves are the best place
to kind of think what would this look like for us.
You know, it looks different between football, netball, hockey, badminton,
anything else. It looks really different. So you know, like
those are our kind of the platform we start from.
We know that there are links to other countries and
organized crime, and in a global sense, this is not
(07:10):
new by any stretch. There's been lots and lots of
historic examples of it. So we just need to work
closely with our organizations in this sector, agencies here and
overseas to respond and hopefully anyone who's got any concerns
can they can call us?
Speaker 6 (07:25):
Hopefully they What power do you have?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
You mentioned that you can actually do something? What can
you do? And how often do you do you wield that.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
What we can do is we can investigate something if
there's a public interest to do it. And so I
mean what that translates to is that it's serious enough
for us to take a look at.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
We can do that now.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
And when organizations sign the code, there's a bit more
we can do because under the code, behaviors like for example,
sharing inside information on injuries or that sort of thing
would be prohibited, So we can actually take steps and
in between there's always ways we can kind of intervene
by reminding people of their obligations around you know what
good and bad behavior looks like, keeping people safe from
(08:08):
that respect. And we're going a partnership with the sports
so that they know what to look for. And I've
got to say organizations have been really receptive so far,
and we know people want to do everything they can
to make things safe and fair. So for those looking
and starting off with us and signing an integrity code,
that's where that learning starts. And you know, it's a
(08:30):
good platform for us to increase that awareness.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Dissecting the sporting agenda, it's sportsfex with Dancy Waldgrave.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Consistency is a lovely thing for sporting teams. The consistency
that the All Blacks have is not lovely at all.
They're inconsistent. They win some, they lose some, they win some,
they lose some, they win some, they lose some, leaving
people pulling out their hair remembering the healthy in days
of All Black rugby, when in the last twenty minutes
(09:01):
this was a team with superior tactics, with superior calm,
blue heads and super fitness would more often than not
end up holding the chocolates. Not anymore, this team consistently
proves that in the last twenty minutes they have no
idea what they're going to do. They have no idea
(09:23):
how to score, they have no idea to shut out
of game. That's not the kind of consistency we want.
How can this be solved? How has this been an
issue and a problem for this All Black side? When
you look at the amount of senior players, you look
at the amount of coaches, the amount of resources this
team has got, it is an obvious problem. It has
(09:45):
been shouting from the rooftops now for a couple of
seasons sort this out. Yet nothing has been done. The
question has to be asked, is this beyond the team?
Is this beyond the coaching staff? I have to say
currently it is. They haven't solved this issue. You've got
every team in world rugby now looking at the All
(10:08):
Blacks going they're going to fall over in the last
twenty minutes and essentially aiming their game and their attack
for that last twenty minutes when they know the All
Blacks will be vulnerable, not only vulnerable through history, bidden
themselves because they know they can't get the job done
in the last twenty minutes. Change players, change captain change coach,
(10:32):
no idea, but whatever happens, it has to happen fast,
although maybe not that fast. Possibly the thing that can
save raisor Robertson from being known as a very average
coach is if he gets to the end of his
current tenure and lifts the World Cup aloft. Everybody will
(10:53):
forgive the frailties of this team so far, and I'd
say if they lose Eden Park on Saturday night, forgiveness
is going to take quite some time to come.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
The chamber is now in session on spot.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Tame of dorth Open and we welcome in Alexa Pow
from the New Zealand Herald. Alex A welcome on into
this Tuesday. I trust you are happy and well.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
I'm very happy and well mate. What a weekend for sport?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Well, it was weekend predominantly good, sometimes bad. I'm not
entirely sure as I picked through the wreckage, but one
thing I will pick through and I am happy about.
And there was no wreckage, which is primarily what you're
here Baku, Azerbaijan. That is the race of his career
so far. Liam Wilson almost faultless right.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
All weekend so far, as the word. I'm glad to
use that because we know there's more to come from.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Yeah. I know that there's been a few people.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
Who see the results and see that he qualified third
but finish first and see that as a bit of
a negative that he went backwards, But that was the
drive that he needed to have at this point in
his career.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
It was perfect.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
When you say perfection and without winning, what do you
rest that on? What part of their drive, what part
of the qualifying of the practices do you think was
above and beyond.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
I think it's fair sense of any driver and a
midfield team as getting the absolute most out of that car,
and that's what Liam Lawson did in Baku that racing
Bools car is not a sort of a front runner.
It's a midfield car at best those we've seen by
the fact, they're sixth in the Constructors' Championships, so that
means that they're finishing eleventh and twelfth. Lawson and his
team Isaac Hadger, that's about where they should be. And
(12:35):
part of the problem that Liam's had this season is
that Isaac Hadger has been getting these results and he
hasn't and now he's getting them, and that's why it's
so important for him to keep it up.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Talk about consistency, and this is what it is. It
keept on going right the way through the weekend. You'd
like to think third place and finishing on the podium,
and that was always out of the question with the
length of the race and the straits and so on
and so forth. But every time he's gotten to the car,
he's made it count. And you look forward now to
the next race and Singapore. This is what he's got
to carry on doing. One race is great, but one
(13:08):
swallow does not a summer make. He's got to carry
on doing this. What do you think he has to
reapply going into the next race.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
I think for him it's just now confidence. He's now
got just over a season's worse of experience in Formula one,
so that means everything that he's learned so far he
can now put into practice and actually learn from what
he's done before Singapore's raced already. He was brilliant there
in twenty twenty three. Remember when he came in as
an injury replacement for Daniel Ricardo and came not sorry,
(13:35):
you finished ninth that race, didn't he? But what's more,
he knock Max for staff out of qualifying, and that
was the only race that Rebel didn't win that season,
so we know that's a track he can do it on.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I look at what he did and what he provided,
and what I'd like to see further from Azerbaijan is
that the way he handled his racing ball didn't have
the speed used as battery parsimoniously worked out when to
use it, but as ex speed out of the corners
right the way through the race I thought was superb.
(14:05):
That really didn't help anyone trying to chase him down.
He just kept getting away from them in the tight
curly bits.
Speaker 7 (14:12):
Now you look at how he actually did lose those
two places. He lost out to George Russell, who just
ran a different Pitt strategy and went longer in his
first stint and then made so much ground up that
when he did stop he was in front of Leam anyway.
And the second place was to the other Mercedes Cammie Antonelli,
and that was just because Mercedes pitted them one lap
before and then when they caught up after the stop,
anonly had warmatize, which is the same move that Liam
(14:34):
did to Yuki Sonoda. So I don't really look at
that as either of those two places lost as being
a negative.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
It was just the pet strategy and how it worked.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And he used what he had very very well. So
I was talking about exo speed. I think that's what
what did him did him great during that entire time.
And the fact that he managed to hold off cars
three or four cars at the end last ten twelve
laps that they really should have run him down, says
a lot for his defensive skill. He drove a very
wide car, but he wasn't reckless in the way he
(15:07):
positioned his vehicle, so he didn't which is what he's
done very well this year, get up anybody's nose. He
just made himself difficult to get by.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
No, we know he can attack, right, He's always been
a very aggressive driver, but now when he has to
do the other side of it, And this isn't the
first time I've seen it. Remember we saw him in
Austria he held off Fernando Alonso, who's been racing for
longer than Lamb's been alive. And then in Hungary we
saw it with Max for Stappa. Now, those are two
of the best to ever do it, and they couldn't
get around him, and we just saw it again in Azerbaijan.
You know he can defend now, which when you look
(15:37):
at what it's going to mean going forward, you're looking
at a guy who's sort of turning into a complete driver,
which is very rare.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
But Alex, we know that he is the complete driver.
All of us who have been following him right since
he started are aware of this. Now he's starting to
show it at Formula one level, which is fantastic. Hey,
how good would it be if the All Blacks were
to drop their bundle again this time in Eden Park?
No one expected this Wallaby's fixture coming up to maybe
(16:05):
the fixture that my end this ridiculu us home run.
But you look at what the wall Blacks have been doing.
Would it surprise you if they managed to choke it up?
Speaker 7 (16:15):
It would surprise me if they lost from here. You know,
we know how much this Eden Park record means to them.
You know, more than one team, more than one coaching
group have really just put everything into winning at Eden
Park and keeping the streak alive. And now you've got
the Wallabies who are a very good operation under Joe Schmitt.
You know, Rugby Australia everything they've touched basically these last
couple of years has time to go. Look at the
(16:36):
acquisition of Joseph Swilly, getting Joe Schmitt involved, even appointing
less Cares. So this really is probably the most significant
test against Australia in my lifetime. It feels like would it.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Be a bad thing?
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Though?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
If if the All Blacks dare I say it to
actually lose, that means that monster is Eden Park will
just leave us alone. We can just go back to
watching rugby or I'm being horrible, aren't I?
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Now? You been a right? Look?
Speaker 7 (17:01):
I think in the long run New Zealand rugby has
really suffered because Australian rugby has been so poor. They
are our closest comparison point. We play them more than
any of the testination. We play them at super rugby level,
and their struggles, you know, having five teams to learning
all their playing talent, for me, is why the All
Blacks have gone down as well. It's a symbiotic relationship.
(17:22):
So if Australia does get up here and sort of
takes that rivalry to a new level, I think ultimately
it will be good for the All Blacks.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
And would it really be that bad for Razor Robertson.
I mean now he's thinking, yeah, it will be. But
let's look at all Black history, great in between World Cups,
terrible at World Cups. Then I went through a couple
of years ac managed to work the World Cups. Now
they're doing it again. So maybe a couple of really
dicey years and winning the World Cup, everything's going to
be Aokay, I'm really grasping out, Alex.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
I do feel for Scott Robinson right now because he
has been compared to his predecessor, who had a much
sort of deeper playing group. He didn't have to start
from scratch the way that it feels like Scott Robertson had.
But this is the guy that in New Zealand Rugby
sort of put everything into, you know, and I think
they will be patient and let him sort of complete
(18:14):
his vision through you know, at least one World Cup
cycle potentially too.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
We'll see. There is always a light at the end
of the tunnel, even if it is an oncoming train,
it's still light. Alex Powell, thanks for joining us here
and the chamber out of NZ Herald always a pleasure.
Thanks for doing the hard Monkey over the weekend and
keeping everybody up to date. Well what's going on in
the wonderful wide world of Formula one. But if I
know you, that's not work, is it?
Speaker 5 (18:37):
No? My pleasure man, Thanks having me leading a vix.
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Welcome on into the Sports Next podcast. Hi, I'm Darcy
Walter Grave.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
This is it.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
We'll Tuesday twenty third of September twenty twenty five in
association with DJ Gardner Holmes and New Zealand's most trusted
home builder. This is the Fix prepared for you. On
today's at broadcast. We'll be talking with Rebecca Roles. Rebecca
is the CEO of the Sport Integrity Commission. A lot
(00:45):
going on in the overseas gambling space. How do they
deal with that? What warnings have they got? What are
they doing about this increased pressure situation. I've got some
hot takes around the state of the All Blacks right now.
What a chaotic mess that team is? Is it going
to change? Maybe? Maybe not? And in the chamber we'll
(01:06):
be joined by Alex how He's a Sports Road of
four of the New Zealand herold will be talking a
lot about the Formula one because he's a geek like
I am, and weave it about the upcoming up bled
Slow Cup match had Eden Park between the All Blacks
and the Wallabies. This is the sports fack. So it's
a Tuesday, twenty third of September twenty twenty five. Let's
(01:26):
get into it. In other news in the world of
teen to fifteen second grabs is today's sport. The ball
respect is near the top of the agenda for the
All Black coaching staff and the lead up to the
Eden Park Protection Society clash against the Wallabies on that
Saturday night, Assistant coach Scott Hansen had this to say.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
As Tom's especially in the Soufkan game and it's it
has happened earlier on where we give the fallback to
the opposition, we don't need to so whether that's whether
that's kicked too often or whether that's losing the battle
in the air.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
The motorsport mastermind of the New Zealand at Wings and
Slits category, the Castrol Formula Racing Oceania Series formerly the
Toyter Series, has spoken. Barry Thomlinson says regardless of Liam
Lawson's outstanding result at the Azerbaijan GP, the Red Ball
team will keep exerting demands on the young Kiwi ahead
(02:21):
of the naming of the second first team driver.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
They will keep the pressure on all of their drivers apart.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
From Max obviously, to perform and get points, to get
results so that they're capable of one of their Formula.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
One seats and Blackburn's open side. Georgia Miller's brother amused
with reaction to her so called mystery injury and forced
stand down ahead of last week's semi final loss to Canada.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Just hearing from people at home like, oh, you've created
a media storm, like everyone wants.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
To know, but no, that was pretty crack up.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
A lot of speculation and people, you know, guessing this
and there.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Here you go. Some sports quotes for Today News a Bean.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
It's Sportsfix with Dancie Valde Greve, joined.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Now by Rebecca Roles. He's the chief executive of a
Sport Integrity Commission as we look at the vext situation
of sports betting through New Zealand sports and particularly local football.
High Rebecca, to talk to you and great to have
you on as well. Thanks for your time. This is
(03:29):
interesting for a number of reasons. This article came out
suggesting that todd plus million dollars was waged on Mean's
domestic Football League through twenty twenty four and that pricks
everybody's ears up. And I suppose in your role you'll
be particularly interested not only in this, but the amount
of money that's been pumped through this will open your
(03:51):
eyes much.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Absolutely, it's pretty i watering in fact, doesn't it. And
bearing in mind most of that is unregulated gambling, you
know you can pretty quickly sort of start to think
about what the dangers are and what football is a
good example, and it's the one talked about here, and
there's some agible numbers and that sort of thing, but
you know it happens across sporting codes in New Zealand.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
We need to be alert to it to keep our
people safe.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
In your role or in the Commission's role, what first
and foremost is your responsibility and is your movement toward
looking after this space, because that a gest. You can't
eradicate it, can you?
Speaker 6 (04:30):
No, No, you can't. You can't eradicate any poor behavior.
Actually you can. You can prohibit it, but it's impossible
to prevent.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
But look, we first and foremost raising awareness I think
around that's fixing spot flexing, supporting organizations to protect against it,
working with our international partners to respond and you know,
learning as much as we can along the way as well.
And that's that's for athletes, but also officials or people
who work with athletes and officials to really know help
(04:57):
them to know what nextfixing looks like, how to identify
when others are vulnerable to it. And we put a
lot of time and effort into resources on our website
and some micro learning it and look that continue. We
know it's an area that New Zealand is fairly early
in Korea if you like, or mature, and so we
know we've got a journey to take people on. But
(05:19):
also we know that people have hundreds of thousands of
really positive interactions in the sport and recreation sector, so
we want to keep it that way.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
So very green in this area. People aren't really that aware,
but it's new I suppose because of the nature of
the timing of the sport that the distance of it
that people are slightly more vulnerable. So you're into protecting
the athletes first and foremost, and that can only come
through through education. You can't do much else, can you.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Absolutely well, it's a big part of it, and that's
certainly where we put most of our resources.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
In the alt our context, you know, we're a little
bit more vulnerable because of our time zone.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
We're playing sport and there's not much else on, so
you know that makes us easy.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Pickings for that.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
We've got comparatively low pay for athletes and officials and amateurs, so.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
You know that education can be a bit patchy.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
And also the amount of sport being streamed now right
around the world but certainly from New Zealand even at
school and community level. So you put all those things
together and you know that's sort of where we start
our discussions and start thinking about how to.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Keep people safe.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And look if as part of the work that's baked
into our Integrity Code, but if people sports are able
to prohibit behaviors around a competition manipulation, and then we
can take action.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
So we are a regulator and can take action in
those circumstances.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
But look, the best action is always prevention, as you know,
so certainly that awareness raising and education is a big
part for us, and.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
Knowing that we are green and.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
You know, it can look like lots of different things
in different sports, and sports themselves are the best place
to kind of think what would this look like for us.
You know, it looks different between football, netball, hockey, badminton,
anything else. It looks really different. So you know, like
those are our kind of the platform we start from.
We know that there are links to other countries and
organized crime, and in a global sense, this is not
(07:10):
new by any stretch. There's been lots and lots of
historic examples of it. So we just need to work
closely with our organizations in this sector, agencies here and
overseas to respond and hopefully anyone who's got any concerns
can they can call us?
Speaker 6 (07:25):
Hopefully they What power do you have?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
You mentioned that you can actually do something? What can
you do? And how often do you do you wield that.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
What we can do is we can investigate something if
there's a public interest to do it. And so I
mean what that translates to is that it's serious enough
for us to take a look at.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
We can do that now.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
And when organizations sign the code, there's a bit more
we can do because under the code, behaviors like for example,
sharing inside information on injuries or that sort of thing
would be prohibited, So we can actually take steps and
in between there's always ways we can kind of intervene
by reminding people of their obligations around you know what
good and bad behavior looks like, keeping people safe from
(08:08):
that respect. And we're going a partnership with the sports
so that they know what to look for. And I've
got to say organizations have been really receptive so far,
and we know people want to do everything they can
to make things safe and fair. So for those looking
and starting off with us and signing an integrity code,
that's where that learning starts. And you know, it's a
(08:30):
good platform for us to increase that awareness.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Dissecting the sporting agenda, it's sportsfex with Dancy Waldgrave.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Consistency is a lovely thing for sporting teams. The consistency
that the All Blacks have is not lovely at all.
They're inconsistent. They win some, they lose some, they win some,
they lose some, they win some, they lose some, leaving
people pulling out their hair remembering the healthy in days
of All Black rugby, when in the last twenty minutes
(09:01):
this was a team with superior tactics, with superior calm,
blue heads and super fitness would more often than not
end up holding the chocolates. Not anymore, this team consistently
proves that in the last twenty minutes they have no
idea what they're going to do. They have no idea
(09:23):
how to score, they have no idea to shut out
of game. That's not the kind of consistency we want.
How can this be solved? How has this been an
issue and a problem for this All Black side? When
you look at the amount of senior players, you look
at the amount of coaches, the amount of resources this
team has got, it is an obvious problem. It has
(09:45):
been shouting from the rooftops now for a couple of
seasons sort this out. Yet nothing has been done. The
question has to be asked, is this beyond the team?
Is this beyond the coaching staff? I have to say
currently it is. They haven't solved this issue. You've got
every team in world rugby now looking at the All
(10:08):
Blacks going they're going to fall over in the last
twenty minutes and essentially aiming their game and their attack
for that last twenty minutes when they know the All
Blacks will be vulnerable, not only vulnerable through history, bidden
themselves because they know they can't get the job done
in the last twenty minutes. Change players, change captain change coach,
(10:32):
no idea, but whatever happens, it has to happen fast,
although maybe not that fast. Possibly the thing that can
save raisor Robertson from being known as a very average
coach is if he gets to the end of his
current tenure and lifts the World Cup aloft. Everybody will
(10:53):
forgive the frailties of this team so far, and I'd
say if they lose Eden Park on Saturday night, forgiveness
is going to take quite some time to come.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
The chamber is now in session on spot.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Tame of dorth Open and we welcome in Alexa Pow
from the New Zealand Herald. Alex A welcome on into
this Tuesday. I trust you are happy and well.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
I'm very happy and well mate. What a weekend for sport?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Well, it was weekend predominantly good, sometimes bad. I'm not
entirely sure as I picked through the wreckage, but one
thing I will pick through and I am happy about.
And there was no wreckage, which is primarily what you're
here Baku, Azerbaijan. That is the race of his career
so far. Liam Wilson almost faultless right.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
All weekend so far, as the word. I'm glad to
use that because we know there's more to come from.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Yeah. I know that there's been a few people.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
Who see the results and see that he qualified third
but finish first and see that as a bit of
a negative that he went backwards, But that was the
drive that he needed to have at this point in
his career.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
It was perfect.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
When you say perfection and without winning, what do you
rest that on? What part of their drive, what part
of the qualifying of the practices do you think was
above and beyond.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
I think it's fair sense of any driver and a
midfield team as getting the absolute most out of that car,
and that's what Liam Lawson did in Baku that racing
Bools car is not a sort of a front runner.
It's a midfield car at best those we've seen by
the fact, they're sixth in the Constructors' Championships, so that
means that they're finishing eleventh and twelfth. Lawson and his
team Isaac Hadger, that's about where they should be. And
(12:35):
part of the problem that Liam's had this season is
that Isaac Hadger has been getting these results and he
hasn't and now he's getting them, and that's why it's
so important for him to keep it up.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Talk about consistency, and this is what it is. It
keept on going right the way through the weekend. You'd
like to think third place and finishing on the podium,
and that was always out of the question with the
length of the race and the straits and so on
and so forth. But every time he's gotten to the car,
he's made it count. And you look forward now to
the next race and Singapore. This is what he's got
to carry on doing. One race is great, but one
(13:08):
swallow does not a summer make. He's got to carry
on doing this. What do you think he has to
reapply going into the next race.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
I think for him it's just now confidence. He's now
got just over a season's worse of experience in Formula one,
so that means everything that he's learned so far he
can now put into practice and actually learn from what
he's done before Singapore's raced already. He was brilliant there
in twenty twenty three. Remember when he came in as
an injury replacement for Daniel Ricardo and came not sorry,
(13:35):
you finished ninth that race, didn't he? But what's more,
he knock Max for staff out of qualifying, and that
was the only race that Rebel didn't win that season,
so we know that's a track he can do it on.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I look at what he did and what he provided,
and what I'd like to see further from Azerbaijan is
that the way he handled his racing ball didn't have
the speed used as battery parsimoniously worked out when to
use it, but as ex speed out of the corners
right the way through the race I thought was superb.
(14:05):
That really didn't help anyone trying to chase him down.
He just kept getting away from them in the tight
curly bits.
Speaker 7 (14:12):
Now you look at how he actually did lose those
two places. He lost out to George Russell, who just
ran a different Pitt strategy and went longer in his
first stint and then made so much ground up that
when he did stop he was in front of Leam anyway.
And the second place was to the other Mercedes Cammie Antonelli,
and that was just because Mercedes pitted them one lap
before and then when they caught up after the stop,
anonly had warmatize, which is the same move that Liam
(14:34):
did to Yuki Sonoda. So I don't really look at
that as either of those two places lost as being
a negative.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
It was just the pet strategy and how it worked.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And he used what he had very very well. So
I was talking about exo speed. I think that's what
what did him did him great during that entire time.
And the fact that he managed to hold off cars
three or four cars at the end last ten twelve
laps that they really should have run him down, says
a lot for his defensive skill. He drove a very
wide car, but he wasn't reckless in the way he
(15:07):
positioned his vehicle, so he didn't which is what he's
done very well this year, get up anybody's nose. He
just made himself difficult to get by.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
No, we know he can attack, right, He's always been
a very aggressive driver, but now when he has to
do the other side of it, And this isn't the
first time I've seen it. Remember we saw him in
Austria he held off Fernando Alonso, who's been racing for
longer than Lamb's been alive. And then in Hungary we
saw it with Max for Stappa. Now, those are two
of the best to ever do it, and they couldn't
get around him, and we just saw it again in Azerbaijan.
You know he can defend now, which when you look
(15:37):
at what it's going to mean going forward, you're looking
at a guy who's sort of turning into a complete driver,
which is very rare.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
But Alex, we know that he is the complete driver.
All of us who have been following him right since
he started are aware of this. Now he's starting to
show it at Formula one level, which is fantastic. Hey,
how good would it be if the All Blacks were
to drop their bundle again this time in Eden Park?
No one expected this Wallaby's fixture coming up to maybe
(16:05):
the fixture that my end this ridiculu us home run.
But you look at what the wall Blacks have been doing.
Would it surprise you if they managed to choke it up?
Speaker 7 (16:15):
It would surprise me if they lost from here. You know,
we know how much this Eden Park record means to them.
You know, more than one team, more than one coaching
group have really just put everything into winning at Eden
Park and keeping the streak alive. And now you've got
the Wallabies who are a very good operation under Joe Schmitt.
You know, Rugby Australia everything they've touched basically these last
couple of years has time to go. Look at the
(16:36):
acquisition of Joseph Swilly, getting Joe Schmitt involved, even appointing
less Cares. So this really is probably the most significant
test against Australia in my lifetime. It feels like would it.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Be a bad thing?
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Though?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
If if the All Blacks dare I say it to
actually lose, that means that monster is Eden Park will
just leave us alone. We can just go back to
watching rugby or I'm being horrible, aren't I?
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Now? You been a right? Look?
Speaker 7 (17:01):
I think in the long run New Zealand rugby has
really suffered because Australian rugby has been so poor. They
are our closest comparison point. We play them more than
any of the testination. We play them at super rugby level,
and their struggles, you know, having five teams to learning
all their playing talent, for me, is why the All
Blacks have gone down as well. It's a symbiotic relationship.
(17:22):
So if Australia does get up here and sort of
takes that rivalry to a new level, I think ultimately
it will be good for the All Blacks.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
And would it really be that bad for Razor Robertson.
I mean now he's thinking, yeah, it will be. But
let's look at all Black history, great in between World Cups,
terrible at World Cups. Then I went through a couple
of years ac managed to work the World Cups. Now
they're doing it again. So maybe a couple of really
dicey years and winning the World Cup, everything's going to
be Aokay, I'm really grasping out, Alex.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
I do feel for Scott Robinson right now because he
has been compared to his predecessor, who had a much
sort of deeper playing group. He didn't have to start
from scratch the way that it feels like Scott Robertson had.
But this is the guy that in New Zealand Rugby
sort of put everything into, you know, and I think
they will be patient and let him sort of complete
(18:14):
his vision through you know, at least one World Cup
cycle potentially too.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
We'll see. There is always a light at the end
of the tunnel, even if it is an oncoming train,
it's still light. Alex Powell, thanks for joining us here
and the chamber out of NZ Herald always a pleasure.
Thanks for doing the hard Monkey over the weekend and
keeping everybody up to date. Well what's going on in
the wonderful wide world of Formula one. But if I
know you, that's not work, is it?
Speaker 5 (18:37):
No? My pleasure man, Thanks having me leading a vix.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
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