November 28, 2024 • 9 mins
Former Australian fast bowler Brett Lee has reiterated calls for more longer test series -- with the country playing their first five-test series with India since 1992.
Lee says unlike the Black Caps' three-test trip to India, Australia aren't out of their series just yet despite their loss in the first test.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
from news talk Z.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It'd be gives me a great pleasure to invite to
the program to welcome to the program at former Australian
fast bowler Brett Lee Brett, welcome to the show. I
trust you.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Well, Thanks Darcy, nice to be on main how things.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Things are good the way things are going in cricket
right now. Maybe not so good for yourselves though as well. Look,
as a former fastballer also deeply involved in Australian cricket,
your initial response to what happened inside of four days
that was a slap to the face, was it not?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Oh yeah? And look definitely if you if you look
back at the first day, you know India bowled out
for one hundred and fifty. I was thinking, you know,
a great start by the odds. Is they all bold beautifully?
Josh haswoold fort from the first innings. But then I
see you throw at Rissol for one hundred and form
thinking okay, well, because you know you can never judge
a pitch until both teams have batted on it. But
(01:04):
the way that just from the bowl just absolutely bowl
the house down. Took five far and then of course
we know what happens in the second is where they
went out Jaswell was amazing getting a big hundred, and
then all of a sudden, what looked as though you know,
a wicket was produced in the fast bowling turned into
an absolute beautiful wicket. Australia probably it didn't bowl the
(01:26):
best India bat of their house down and to lose
in four days is very, very very disappointing for the audience.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
When you look at adjustments that have to be made
and there's a bit of a break between tists, for you,
what is the primary issue? Where do they have to tweet?
You don't have to throw the baby out of the
bath water, but what do you have to do to
pick it up again?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I think the first thing is that, you know, a
sense of calm has to come out of Theustralian cricket team.
And a lot of people might be listening and thinking, well,
hang on, they've just been walloped. What do you mean
by calm? So my explanation is to just to give
it the place of confidence because the thing that you
don't want to create amongst the side is that if
you lose one test, that they're looking for a new
(02:08):
open and looking for a new guy to bat at
number five or number six, or the guys are pulling
his weight bowling. So they have to make sure that
that they give the whole Australian trig your team a chance.
That said, though, they have to sharp and sharpen their
pencil on a few things. I don't think collectively in
the second innings, I think Australia by a little bit
(02:28):
too short, to be totally honest, and that was something
that I raised on their working over there with Fox
Sports over in Perth. So there's a couple of technical
things I need to work on. But the other thing
too is India play out of their skin. I don't
know how they went from losing three neil to you
guys to come over here and to just decimate Australia.
(02:49):
But I did emark that a week ago. I said
that when India come to Australia, it is a different tournament,
it's a different situation. They will hit the ground ring
and they certainly did that.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I'm probably going to be criticized for this because I've
used this line for about the last week or so,
but they talked about waking the sleeping kind of India.
That wasn't a coma, mate, it really was. We didn't
wake up after the first game and it took three
games to wake up. So the international player form of
test cricketer, what has to happen to alter the attitude
(03:19):
and change it because you don't lose in India three mil.
I mean, that's astonishing. I'm amazed they bounced back from
that bread.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, well, we'll pre have to blame you guys for
the way that you've played. You played so well out
our little key we mates. But look, it's I've always
known India. Look, I've been going India for thirty years now.
I've watched the development of so many young players come through,
from the shuven Gels to the jas Wells, those types
of players in the sort of twenty twenty for mate,
(03:48):
these are superstars. You know, These guys will you know,
will go go down in Indian names as big as
you know the row At Charmers of the world, the
cole E's and the stash In tandokers. Maybe not as
good as many test runs or tests hundreds, but in
terms of what their their talent can bring with definitely
that So India they must have just had a real
heartfelt sort of conversation saying, listen, we've been whipped over
(04:11):
here in n Z. We've been embarrassed. We've have to
go to Australia and change change our tone. But to me,
this was all led by Jasper Bumer of the bowler.
You know, he got the opportunity to captain in his
country for a second occasion and do it properly right
from you know, not with the captain going off injured
or sick, actually having the captaincy from you know, prior
(04:34):
to the first ball being bold, I thought tactically he'd led
his team beautifully. I think the way he bold, but
also to that declaration before Australia had a back for
their second innings, he could have easily batted well into
the morning of day for but he thought, you know,
what were the heaps of runs here, let's send them in.
I want to take the ownership here and I actually
(04:55):
want to be the person to make some early inroads.
And he did that. So he's captaincy along with some
great bowling. I think Australia being a little bit tentative,
and that would be one I would say that the
discussion is now leading into the next Test in Adelaide.
They have to find a way to commit to Jasper
Bumra and he's got the type of guy that you
(05:17):
can leave. You know, in Australian cricket, so many batsmen
love to leave the ball, but someone like a jasp
Boman with his angle, with that different run up, with
that different arm action, he gets a ball coming in
from that fourth or fifth up whineing towards us start,
which is the reason why they got what four rb
ws and three or four bold.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
When you look at the and you talked about New
Zealand's success which came int of nowhere after getting walleted
by Sri Lanka, and you look at the peaking order
of world Test cricket, how is that altered when you're
take into account what's happened in the last month or so,
britt as far as India and New Zealand and Australia,
it's a little on the topsy turvy side, is it not?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah, it is. I mean this was you know, last
week was one v two Australia versus India. But I've
been I've been really impress with the kiwis and not
because I'm on the line chating to you. But it's
they are forced through reckon with they They've got some
amazing players. They've had a couple of guys that have
moved on, a couple of young guys coming through, but
just just the mindset and and and some pace there
(06:22):
as well. And you know the thing that I've I
can only sort of speculate or talk about the guys
that I've played against or even commentator on, you know,
the Shane Bonds of the world that released at the Foundation.
I think the average about seventeen with a white ball
against the ausis. So it doesn't surprise me that the
talent is over and enz because they've always had talent.
They've always had guys that can that can match it,
(06:45):
not only with Australia but definitely with India.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I think we need more five Test series or any
five tests series, or more test series full stop in
New Zealand a v. Australia. We're starting to get a
hind of it. I know you ham receivery time, but
wouldn't it be good to rekindle that that that wonderful
trans Tasman fight.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Look, I think so, And and that was one thing
I praise CREUT Australia and the border crew control of
India is that I always think the big Test series
has to be five Test series because even though Australia
has been whatped in the first doesn't mean they can't
go on to win this series. And that's the great
thing and the benefit of having that. So if you
(07:25):
play a three Test series like you guys have just
done against India, you know, you sort of lose the
first one if you're from India, and you may lose
a second, the series is done and then you're playing
catch up and then they might think, well, we might
change the team around now because the series is done
and dusted, whereas you can actually lose the first two
tests and come and fight your way back and actually
(07:46):
win the whole series. So I'm a massive fan of
the five Test series. I think it you know, like
test cricket, a five test series, or if you look
at the test match it goes for five days. You
know you can lose the first one or two days
of Test cricket and actually win that Test match itself.
So I'm a massive fan of it, and.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Brittley before we let you go and think so much
for joining us. You remember a time we're two opening
fast bowlers captain the respective sides. I mean, that's just weird, isn't.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
It, Darcy how good? See Finally, obviously it's a bloody
batter's game, mate, So finally the fast bowlers who are
definitely the most intelligent creatures going around and have proved
it proven the fact that fast bowlers can captain their countries.
Jessic Barner was outstanding. We all know how good Pat
Cummers has been, so I'm staying this with tongue in
(08:35):
cheek of course, mate, but you know what, it's nice.
It's nice to get one for the fast bowlers.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Tim South he might be questioning that, but that's okay.
He's had a marvelous career anyway. And good luck with Coley.
I think he's woken up now as well. So we
look forward to the chaos of the day night Test match.
I can't stand them myself, prep, but that is what
it is, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Bombing with the rose ballers. They stay not quite red,
not quite white in between.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Ooh Rose brittley real pleasure, mate, Thanks very much for
joining us here on news Talks. Eb.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Good on your Darcy cheers mine.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
For more from sports talk, listen live to news talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
from news talk Z.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It'd be gives me a great pleasure to invite to
the program to welcome to the program at former Australian
fast bowler Brett Lee Brett, welcome to the show. I
trust you.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Well, Thanks Darcy, nice to be on main how things.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Things are good the way things are going in cricket
right now. Maybe not so good for yourselves though as well. Look,
as a former fastballer also deeply involved in Australian cricket,
your initial response to what happened inside of four days
that was a slap to the face, was it not?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Oh yeah? And look definitely if you if you look
back at the first day, you know India bowled out
for one hundred and fifty. I was thinking, you know,
a great start by the odds. Is they all bold beautifully?
Josh haswoold fort from the first innings. But then I
see you throw at Rissol for one hundred and form
thinking okay, well, because you know you can never judge
a pitch until both teams have batted on it. But
(01:04):
the way that just from the bowl just absolutely bowl
the house down. Took five far and then of course
we know what happens in the second is where they
went out Jaswell was amazing getting a big hundred, and
then all of a sudden, what looked as though you know,
a wicket was produced in the fast bowling turned into
an absolute beautiful wicket. Australia probably it didn't bowl the
(01:26):
best India bat of their house down and to lose
in four days is very, very very disappointing for the audience.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
When you look at adjustments that have to be made
and there's a bit of a break between tists, for you,
what is the primary issue? Where do they have to tweet?
You don't have to throw the baby out of the
bath water, but what do you have to do to
pick it up again?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I think the first thing is that, you know, a
sense of calm has to come out of Theustralian cricket team.
And a lot of people might be listening and thinking, well,
hang on, they've just been walloped. What do you mean
by calm? So my explanation is to just to give
it the place of confidence because the thing that you
don't want to create amongst the side is that if
you lose one test, that they're looking for a new
(02:08):
open and looking for a new guy to bat at
number five or number six, or the guys are pulling
his weight bowling. So they have to make sure that
that they give the whole Australian trig your team a chance.
That said, though, they have to sharp and sharpen their
pencil on a few things. I don't think collectively in
the second innings, I think Australia by a little bit
(02:28):
too short, to be totally honest, and that was something
that I raised on their working over there with Fox
Sports over in Perth. So there's a couple of technical
things I need to work on. But the other thing
too is India play out of their skin. I don't
know how they went from losing three neil to you
guys to come over here and to just decimate Australia.
(02:49):
But I did emark that a week ago. I said
that when India come to Australia, it is a different tournament,
it's a different situation. They will hit the ground ring
and they certainly did that.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I'm probably going to be criticized for this because I've
used this line for about the last week or so,
but they talked about waking the sleeping kind of India.
That wasn't a coma, mate, it really was. We didn't
wake up after the first game and it took three
games to wake up. So the international player form of
test cricketer, what has to happen to alter the attitude
(03:19):
and change it because you don't lose in India three mil.
I mean, that's astonishing. I'm amazed they bounced back from
that bread.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, well, we'll pre have to blame you guys for
the way that you've played. You played so well out
our little key we mates. But look, it's I've always
known India. Look, I've been going India for thirty years now.
I've watched the development of so many young players come through,
from the shuven Gels to the jas Wells, those types
of players in the sort of twenty twenty for mate,
(03:48):
these are superstars. You know, These guys will you know,
will go go down in Indian names as big as
you know the row At Charmers of the world, the
cole E's and the stash In tandokers. Maybe not as
good as many test runs or tests hundreds, but in
terms of what their their talent can bring with definitely
that So India they must have just had a real
heartfelt sort of conversation saying, listen, we've been whipped over
(04:11):
here in n Z. We've been embarrassed. We've have to
go to Australia and change change our tone. But to me,
this was all led by Jasper Bumer of the bowler.
You know, he got the opportunity to captain in his
country for a second occasion and do it properly right
from you know, not with the captain going off injured
or sick, actually having the captaincy from you know, prior
(04:34):
to the first ball being bold, I thought tactically he'd led
his team beautifully. I think the way he bold, but
also to that declaration before Australia had a back for
their second innings, he could have easily batted well into
the morning of day for but he thought, you know,
what were the heaps of runs here, let's send them in.
I want to take the ownership here and I actually
(04:55):
want to be the person to make some early inroads.
And he did that. So he's captaincy along with some
great bowling. I think Australia being a little bit tentative,
and that would be one I would say that the
discussion is now leading into the next Test in Adelaide.
They have to find a way to commit to Jasper
Bumra and he's got the type of guy that you
(05:17):
can leave. You know, in Australian cricket, so many batsmen
love to leave the ball, but someone like a jasp
Boman with his angle, with that different run up, with
that different arm action, he gets a ball coming in
from that fourth or fifth up whineing towards us start,
which is the reason why they got what four rb
ws and three or four bold.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
When you look at the and you talked about New
Zealand's success which came int of nowhere after getting walleted
by Sri Lanka, and you look at the peaking order
of world Test cricket, how is that altered when you're
take into account what's happened in the last month or so,
britt as far as India and New Zealand and Australia,
it's a little on the topsy turvy side, is it not?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah, it is. I mean this was you know, last
week was one v two Australia versus India. But I've
been I've been really impress with the kiwis and not
because I'm on the line chating to you. But it's
they are forced through reckon with they They've got some
amazing players. They've had a couple of guys that have
moved on, a couple of young guys coming through, but
just just the mindset and and and some pace there
(06:22):
as well. And you know the thing that I've I
can only sort of speculate or talk about the guys
that I've played against or even commentator on, you know,
the Shane Bonds of the world that released at the Foundation.
I think the average about seventeen with a white ball
against the ausis. So it doesn't surprise me that the
talent is over and enz because they've always had talent.
They've always had guys that can that can match it,
(06:45):
not only with Australia but definitely with India.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I think we need more five Test series or any
five tests series, or more test series full stop in
New Zealand a v. Australia. We're starting to get a
hind of it. I know you ham receivery time, but
wouldn't it be good to rekindle that that that wonderful
trans Tasman fight.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Look, I think so, And and that was one thing
I praise CREUT Australia and the border crew control of
India is that I always think the big Test series
has to be five Test series because even though Australia
has been whatped in the first doesn't mean they can't
go on to win this series. And that's the great
thing and the benefit of having that. So if you
(07:25):
play a three Test series like you guys have just
done against India, you know, you sort of lose the
first one if you're from India, and you may lose
a second, the series is done and then you're playing
catch up and then they might think, well, we might
change the team around now because the series is done
and dusted, whereas you can actually lose the first two
tests and come and fight your way back and actually
(07:46):
win the whole series. So I'm a massive fan of
the five Test series. I think it you know, like
test cricket, a five test series, or if you look
at the test match it goes for five days. You
know you can lose the first one or two days
of Test cricket and actually win that Test match itself.
So I'm a massive fan of it, and.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Brittley before we let you go and think so much
for joining us. You remember a time we're two opening
fast bowlers captain the respective sides. I mean, that's just weird, isn't.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
It, Darcy how good? See Finally, obviously it's a bloody
batter's game, mate, So finally the fast bowlers who are
definitely the most intelligent creatures going around and have proved
it proven the fact that fast bowlers can captain their countries.
Jessic Barner was outstanding. We all know how good Pat
Cummers has been, so I'm staying this with tongue in
(08:35):
cheek of course, mate, but you know what, it's nice.
It's nice to get one for the fast bowlers.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Tim South he might be questioning that, but that's okay.
He's had a marvelous career anyway. And good luck with Coley.
I think he's woken up now as well. So we
look forward to the chaos of the day night Test match.
I can't stand them myself, prep, but that is what
it is, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Bombing with the rose ballers. They stay not quite red,
not quite white in between.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Ooh Rose brittley real pleasure, mate, Thanks very much for
joining us here on news Talks. Eb.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Good on your Darcy cheers mine.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
For more from sports talk, listen live to news talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
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