November 11, 2024 • 10 mins
The Wallabies are celebrating a shock 42-37 win over England at Twickenham, nailing the first match of their Grand Slam attempt with a try four minutes after the scheduled finish.
Rugby commentator Brett McKay joined Piney to discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Duncy Waldegrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Remarkable scenes, remarkable at Twickenham yesterday morning.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Nick, it's out for Jorganson, Max Jorvison, Max Jarvison.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
No, they didn't.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Oh my goodness me.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Oh, it's unbelievable. It's one of the greatest moments in
Wallaby's history and it belongs to Jorginson.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
They have stunned England.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
A try well after the hooter from Max Jorgensen has
given the Wallabies a forty two thirty seven win over England.
It's Australia's first win at Twickenham since the twenty fifteen
Rugby World Cup. Let's bring in one of our favorite
Australians rugby broadcaster, a journalist, columnist and co host of
the eight nine Combo Rugby podcast, Brett McKay. Brett, I
(00:59):
know you've watched a lot of rugby, You've watched a
lot of Wallaby's rugby. Where does this game rate among
the ones? She's scene?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Oh, it's I'm literally in the middle of writing writing
my conference for Rugby Pass as we speak, Piney, and
I've just written the paragraph that I can't think of
it readily. Think of anything in the last four or
five seasons that were top it, and you could probably
push it back to that, but that's about as far
as the memory goes these days. I must have been.
(01:30):
So it was. It was just phenomenal, it really was,
And it was phenomenal for so many reasons, but most
of all it was the fact that we went through
all the emotions that we did morrow ToJ scores that
try in minute, and you know, I know I wasn't
the only wald his fan at four o'clock in the
(01:50):
morning thinking oh God, not again. And then for them
to pull out that play, you know, three minutes after
the after the bell, you know, wasn't it wasn't from
it. It wasn't from a line out drive. It wasn't it
wasn't a scrum set play they'd handled for four or
five or six phase or whatever it was, and then
(02:11):
they just tried something out on the edge and they
pulled it off and they scored one of the great
Wallaby tries, it has to be said. And it was
just a phenomenal performance across the board that has made
burning an Australian rugby fan a pretty enjoyable experience in
the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Certainly, absolutely well, I want to talk about it in
a greater context as far as the years concern both
what we've had and what is to come. But I
want to ask you about a couple of players, a
lot of a lot of hype around, a lot of
chat around about Joseph Swali and his Wallaby's debut. How
did you assis his contribution?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah, he was fantastic, There's no there's no doubting about that.
He's I mean, I've seen him why and I know
he was only won the official Man of the match,
but I would suggest there was probably four or five
at least other Wallabies who were who are easily in
(03:07):
front of him. And that's not to downplay that he
had a fantastic game, but more to make the point
that it was a reel across the board performance from
the Wollbies and the fact that it was at least
four or five and it might ever be six or
seven or eight sort of speaks to how widely this
performance was shared across the board. But he was great.
(03:27):
I made the point of upon the podcast in our
post bortum yesterday that the best compliment that I can
give him whilst also trying to you know, drill down
the hype a little bit. Is just to say that
he looks like a rugby player. He doesn't look like
it didn't look like that was his first game of
rugby in four years or whatever it was. He just
looks like a rugby player. And his hands are good,
(03:50):
his instincts are good. You know, he's still there's plenty
of things for him to work on his game, but
he you know, even just little things about where he
placed the ball in the ruck and you know how
he rolled away from tackles, and his rugby instincts are
still really really strong. And that's really exciting, mate, because
you know they're going in. Last week, the expectation was,
(04:13):
you know, it looks like he's going to play. Do
you starting on the wing? Do you starting on the bench?
The easy thing to do would have been to start
him on the bench and bring him in, But he
certainly impressed plenty at the camps leading into it. They've
thrown him into the deep end and he's just delivered.
And so it's actually really exciting to think what he
could do from here, and then more so to think
(04:35):
about what he could actually do in a Wartar's jumper
in Super Rugby next year.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, we're looking forward to seeing that as well. You
mentioned that there are other players who were on a
par in terms of their performance. Was one of those,
loose head prop Angus Bell?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely he was. I could flip a
coin between he and Rob Valentini as my picks. His
stats sheet is just incredible Angus Bell. You know, nine
defenders beaten and I think I think I've heard or
read this morning that that's the most from a Wallabies
player in a presume it's in the UK or maybe
(05:14):
even Sat Twiget, maybe it's overall. I can't quite remember
the contest, but it was context. It was the most
of it a wall of His player since Marika Coro
Betty beat eleven in a game in twenty nineteen. Wow,
and so you're not nine defenders beaten from a loose
said proper. He played seventy and a half minutes, which
is just it's absolutely phenomenal and it was a well
(05:34):
earned rest when he came off. What he did, but
he was he carrying was great, you know, showed a
bit of footwork in contact, showed some deft hands, at times,
he's just his game has come on leaps and bounds.
He was always going to be a really good footballer,
but he's he's I think he's one of the best
lotus heads getting around right at this point in time.
(05:55):
And he's been getting better all year and you know,
I think that was probably his best performance in a
Test match, which is which is saying something.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
To come in the next three weekends against Wales, Scotland
and Ireland. How much more optimistic do you feel about
those Test matches given what happened at Twickenham.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, And it's a really good question and it's a
really dangerous one from an Australian fan because because because
experience says or you know, what could go wrong here now,
and you can't help but think about that because we've
seen this, this happens so many times, and particularly on
Northern tours. I think the expectation going into this tour
was they win two of those two of the four tests.
(06:38):
You know, that's that's going to be a that's that's
probably fairly fairly fair for where this team is. You know,
should beat Wales, Scotland is the danger game England and
Ireland at either end, is going to be too big tests.
You're okay with England at Twickenham now and straight away
you're thinking differently about Wales this weekend and Scotland next
(06:59):
weekend because the expectation now will be should beat Wales
pretty well. They've gone down to Fiji, you know, just
the small our time, so you know you'd think that
they should do the job there pretty well. And then
Scotland this morning. You know, they looked in the end,
I think, pretty well beaten by by South Africa, which
(07:20):
is not a slot on Scotland necessarily because plenty of
teams has been well beaten by South Africa this year,
Australia included. But you know, I think it was also
the way that they were beaten that sort of suggests
that you know, there it's actually probably a good matchup,
and it was. It was always a dangerous game, but
I think it's it's certainly very very winnable for the
(07:42):
Wallabies now and again having beaten England it twickened them.
The expectation I think now will be that they definitely.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Can after just the one one from six and the
Rugby Championship. How much preci do you think was building
on Joe Schmidt.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I don't know that pressure was building, but I think
the questions were being asked, perhaps more more pointedly, and
and and I say that in the realm of you know,
his whole theme since he took the job on earlier
this year has been, you know, what, we need to
(08:17):
see incremental improvements each week, and we have been seeing that,
and we did see that through the Rugby Championship, but
certainly by the end of it when they did go
one from six, I think the questions were being asked.
And I think I even wrote as much at some point,
was that yes, there were incremental improvements, but the improvements
made one week weren't necessarily on top of the improvements
(08:40):
from last week. They were often at the expense of
the improvements from last week. So they might have gone
up in one area but down in other areas, and
so you know, they just they were the improvements were there,
but as I say, they weren't compounding. They didn't sort
of feel like they're necessarily taking bigger steps forward you
(09:01):
than we might have hoped. And that's what makes the
Wales test this weekend actually a challenge in itself, because
now you've got expectation on the top of the confidence
from that win at Twickenham, and you know they've now
got to be able to show that the twicken And
win wasn't a one off. And as I say, that's
(09:23):
that's something that we've experienced also often in the last
four or five years and again probably going back further.
So the questions were certainly being asked for Joe Schmid.
I I've always liked the way that he's just not
panicked about about anything and he's explained his methods pretty
well and so you know, how do you have how
(09:47):
do you have had a one from four or indeed,
if he does have a one from four spring tour,
those questions might return. But yeah, there's certainly no no day.
Everyone knows that he's there to get the Wallabies as
competitive as they can be for the lines next year.
So there's there's certainly not going to be any rash
decisions after After the twenty twenty three paid out.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
All right, well, a wonderful one. We all enjoyed it.
Here I have to say Brett as well, we were
chairing for Max Jorgenson running down the left hand side
in the eighty fourth minute as well. It was a great,
great contest made of what some of your some of
your footage, your podcast, et cetera. Afterwards, Just delighted for
you mate, and what a what a moment for all
Wallaby's rugby fans. Thanks for taking the time.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
For a chat mate, No no problems, but good good
to chat and as I say, it's it's been enjoyable
twenty four hours, no doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I've better Brett. Thanks indeed. Brett McKay then Rugby Broadcast
a podcast, A journalist, columnist, co host of the eight
to nine, a rather eight nine combo rugby podcast. I
find him on social is always good fun. Brett McKay
always good to chat to.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
For more from sports talk, listen live to news talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Duncy Waldegrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Remarkable scenes, remarkable at Twickenham yesterday morning.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Nick, it's out for Jorganson, Max Jorvison, Max Jarvison.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
No, they didn't.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Oh my goodness me.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Oh, it's unbelievable. It's one of the greatest moments in
Wallaby's history and it belongs to Jorginson.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
They have stunned England.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
A try well after the hooter from Max Jorgensen has
given the Wallabies a forty two thirty seven win over England.
It's Australia's first win at Twickenham since the twenty fifteen
Rugby World Cup. Let's bring in one of our favorite
Australians rugby broadcaster, a journalist, columnist and co host of
the eight nine Combo Rugby podcast, Brett McKay. Brett, I
(00:59):
know you've watched a lot of rugby, You've watched a
lot of Wallaby's rugby. Where does this game rate among
the ones? She's scene?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Oh, it's I'm literally in the middle of writing writing
my conference for Rugby Pass as we speak, Piney, and
I've just written the paragraph that I can't think of
it readily. Think of anything in the last four or
five seasons that were top it, and you could probably
push it back to that, but that's about as far
as the memory goes these days. I must have been.
(01:30):
So it was. It was just phenomenal, it really was,
And it was phenomenal for so many reasons, but most
of all it was the fact that we went through
all the emotions that we did morrow ToJ scores that
try in minute, and you know, I know I wasn't
the only wald his fan at four o'clock in the
(01:50):
morning thinking oh God, not again. And then for them
to pull out that play, you know, three minutes after
the after the bell, you know, wasn't it wasn't from
it. It wasn't from a line out drive. It wasn't it
wasn't a scrum set play they'd handled for four or
five or six phase or whatever it was, and then
(02:11):
they just tried something out on the edge and they
pulled it off and they scored one of the great
Wallaby tries, it has to be said. And it was
just a phenomenal performance across the board that has made
burning an Australian rugby fan a pretty enjoyable experience in
the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Certainly, absolutely well, I want to talk about it in
a greater context as far as the years concern both
what we've had and what is to come. But I
want to ask you about a couple of players, a
lot of a lot of hype around, a lot of
chat around about Joseph Swali and his Wallaby's debut. How
did you assis his contribution?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah, he was fantastic, There's no there's no doubting about that.
He's I mean, I've seen him why and I know
he was only won the official Man of the match,
but I would suggest there was probably four or five
at least other Wallabies who were who are easily in
(03:07):
front of him. And that's not to downplay that he
had a fantastic game, but more to make the point
that it was a reel across the board performance from
the Wollbies and the fact that it was at least
four or five and it might ever be six or
seven or eight sort of speaks to how widely this
performance was shared across the board. But he was great.
(03:27):
I made the point of upon the podcast in our
post bortum yesterday that the best compliment that I can
give him whilst also trying to you know, drill down
the hype a little bit. Is just to say that
he looks like a rugby player. He doesn't look like
it didn't look like that was his first game of
rugby in four years or whatever it was. He just
looks like a rugby player. And his hands are good,
(03:50):
his instincts are good. You know, he's still there's plenty
of things for him to work on his game, but
he you know, even just little things about where he
placed the ball in the ruck and you know how
he rolled away from tackles, and his rugby instincts are
still really really strong. And that's really exciting, mate, because
you know they're going in. Last week, the expectation was,
(04:13):
you know, it looks like he's going to play. Do
you starting on the wing? Do you starting on the bench?
The easy thing to do would have been to start
him on the bench and bring him in, But he
certainly impressed plenty at the camps leading into it. They've
thrown him into the deep end and he's just delivered.
And so it's actually really exciting to think what he
could do from here, and then more so to think
(04:35):
about what he could actually do in a Wartar's jumper
in Super Rugby next year.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, we're looking forward to seeing that as well. You
mentioned that there are other players who were on a
par in terms of their performance. Was one of those,
loose head prop Angus Bell?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely he was. I could flip a
coin between he and Rob Valentini as my picks. His
stats sheet is just incredible Angus Bell. You know, nine
defenders beaten and I think I think I've heard or
read this morning that that's the most from a Wallabies
player in a presume it's in the UK or maybe
(05:14):
even Sat Twiget, maybe it's overall. I can't quite remember
the contest, but it was context. It was the most
of it a wall of His player since Marika Coro
Betty beat eleven in a game in twenty nineteen. Wow,
and so you're not nine defenders beaten from a loose
said proper. He played seventy and a half minutes, which
is just it's absolutely phenomenal and it was a well
(05:34):
earned rest when he came off. What he did, but
he was he carrying was great, you know, showed a
bit of footwork in contact, showed some deft hands, at times,
he's just his game has come on leaps and bounds.
He was always going to be a really good footballer,
but he's he's I think he's one of the best
lotus heads getting around right at this point in time.
(05:55):
And he's been getting better all year and you know,
I think that was probably his best performance in a
Test match, which is which is saying something.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
To come in the next three weekends against Wales, Scotland
and Ireland. How much more optimistic do you feel about
those Test matches given what happened at Twickenham.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, And it's a really good question and it's a
really dangerous one from an Australian fan because because because
experience says or you know, what could go wrong here now,
and you can't help but think about that because we've
seen this, this happens so many times, and particularly on
Northern tours. I think the expectation going into this tour
was they win two of those two of the four tests.
(06:38):
You know, that's that's going to be a that's that's
probably fairly fairly fair for where this team is. You know,
should beat Wales, Scotland is the danger game England and
Ireland at either end, is going to be too big tests.
You're okay with England at Twickenham now and straight away
you're thinking differently about Wales this weekend and Scotland next
(06:59):
weekend because the expectation now will be should beat Wales
pretty well. They've gone down to Fiji, you know, just
the small our time, so you know you'd think that
they should do the job there pretty well. And then
Scotland this morning. You know, they looked in the end,
I think, pretty well beaten by by South Africa, which
(07:20):
is not a slot on Scotland necessarily because plenty of
teams has been well beaten by South Africa this year,
Australia included. But you know, I think it was also
the way that they were beaten that sort of suggests
that you know, there it's actually probably a good matchup,
and it was. It was always a dangerous game, but
I think it's it's certainly very very winnable for the
(07:42):
Wallabies now and again having beaten England it twickened them.
The expectation I think now will be that they definitely.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Can after just the one one from six and the
Rugby Championship. How much preci do you think was building
on Joe Schmidt.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I don't know that pressure was building, but I think
the questions were being asked, perhaps more more pointedly, and
and and I say that in the realm of you know,
his whole theme since he took the job on earlier
this year has been, you know, what, we need to
(08:17):
see incremental improvements each week, and we have been seeing that,
and we did see that through the Rugby Championship, but
certainly by the end of it when they did go
one from six, I think the questions were being asked.
And I think I even wrote as much at some point,
was that yes, there were incremental improvements, but the improvements
made one week weren't necessarily on top of the improvements
(08:40):
from last week. They were often at the expense of
the improvements from last week. So they might have gone
up in one area but down in other areas, and
so you know, they just they were the improvements were there,
but as I say, they weren't compounding. They didn't sort
of feel like they're necessarily taking bigger steps forward you
(09:01):
than we might have hoped. And that's what makes the
Wales test this weekend actually a challenge in itself, because
now you've got expectation on the top of the confidence
from that win at Twickenham, and you know they've now
got to be able to show that the twicken And
win wasn't a one off. And as I say, that's
(09:23):
that's something that we've experienced also often in the last
four or five years and again probably going back further.
So the questions were certainly being asked for Joe Schmid.
I I've always liked the way that he's just not
panicked about about anything and he's explained his methods pretty
well and so you know, how do you have how
(09:47):
do you have had a one from four or indeed,
if he does have a one from four spring tour,
those questions might return. But yeah, there's certainly no no day.
Everyone knows that he's there to get the Wallabies as
competitive as they can be for the lines next year.
So there's there's certainly not going to be any rash
decisions after After the twenty twenty three paid out.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
All right, well, a wonderful one. We all enjoyed it.
Here I have to say Brett as well, we were
chairing for Max Jorgenson running down the left hand side
in the eighty fourth minute as well. It was a great,
great contest made of what some of your some of
your footage, your podcast, et cetera. Afterwards, Just delighted for
you mate, and what a what a moment for all
Wallaby's rugby fans. Thanks for taking the time.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
For a chat mate, No no problems, but good good
to chat and as I say, it's it's been enjoyable
twenty four hours, no doubt about that.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I've better Brett. Thanks indeed. Brett McKay then Rugby Broadcast
a podcast, A journalist, columnist, co host of the eight
to nine, a rather eight nine combo rugby podcast. I
find him on social is always good fun. Brett McKay
always good to chat to.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
For more from sports talk, listen live to news talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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