November 26, 2024 • 10 mins
All Blacks flanker Wallace Sititi's breakthrough season has failed to qualify him for World Rugby's team of the year.
The World XV loose forward positions were occupied by South Africa's Pieter-Steph du Toit, Argentina's Pablo Matera and Ireland's Caelan Doris.
Du Toit was anointed player of the year for a second time.
Tyrel Lomax, Damian McKenzie and Will Jordan made the cut for the side which features seven Springboks.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Wildergrave
from news Talk zed Be.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We're joined now by Campbell. Burns is rugby news editor
co editor of the Rugby Olma makee for my first
five eighth playing four months summer as well. Campbell was
a pleasure to welcome to the program. I trust you.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Well, Thank you, Darcy. I'm very well and actually looking
forward to a bit of a summer break after a
smagers board of rugby.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's been a long old season, but we've only been
reporting it. You've been writing on it, We've not been playing,
so that's a key thing. Let's look back at this.
I suppose I've seen marks out of ten for the
season for Scott robertson comment left, right and center at
what he's done right, what he's done wrong? In a
broader sense of it, Has this been a successful season
(00:54):
for you? And based on what Campbell.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yes and no, I would I mean a ten to
four record. They might have taken that at the start
of the year, but we look closely at the ORBX
with more scrutiny, so we look at performances. So I
would say that we yet to get their four eighty
minute performance. We've seen ten rookies blooded, which is nice
and glimpses of very good rugby, but still a lot
(01:18):
of questions about this allbacks team, particularly around the game
management and their back line. Now I think the Fords
have taken some good strides there, but yep, there's still
work to do in a few rocks under those beach towls.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
During summer expectations for this team, I don't think anyone
expected they were going to win all fourteen test matches,
did they? That would probably be going a step too far.
What did you want to see? Where did they drop short?
You mentioned in the back line? Is that the biggest
problem you have?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I mean, when you've got a good Fords platform, and
they certainly did with the scrums, the lots of Tupo
V stepped up while a Setti came to the fore.
So the Fords overall were pretty good. They won their
boar and competed hard. I think there was probably a
bit of a disconnect. It was a bit better on
the inenterview too. When cam Royguard came back in. Damien
(02:12):
McKenzie had some good moments goalkicked well, but I'm not
convinced that he's the man to guide, to test the
side around the track, and then further out we didn't
really see well, we saw some good stuff from the
likes of Caleb Clark and Will Jordan, but still doubts
over who is the best other Wingzrico Yuwanni the best
center or is he better placed on the wing. These
(02:33):
are some questions that still sort of swirl about the
side and then just generally too much drop all. We
saw that against Italy on the weekend, just dropping the
ball and promising situations, which is hard to fathom really
because they work so hard on their skill set. Why
would they drop the ball as they do so infuriating
in patches the saw back side and then moments of
(02:54):
sunshine breaking out from that.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I think you could sum it up Campbell Burns. When
you look at the first year in charge, have you
seen enough to suggest that Scott Robinson is developing this?
Have you seen improvements regardless vow small way are but
do you think he's on the right track?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Well, I'm more confident with that in the last few
weeks over the Northern tour, because there was a strong
chance that they could have dropped three games as many
as three on on that Northern tour. They only dropped
the one in the end, even though we didn't get
the performance last weekend, So I think there was enough
there to show that, you know, if they make certain
(03:33):
changes in developing certain areas, that this is going to
be a pretty good side down the track. But you know,
we're an impatient public and you know we would have
preferred to see the performances now, and to be fair,
although in those four losses we probably could have won
two or three of them, it's fair to say that
we could have dropped two or three of the games
that we won as well. So a long way from
(03:55):
being perfect, and that wasn't necessarily the aim, but we'd
still like to see a bit more consistency and something
closer to a full eighty minute performance.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Conservative as been a word that's been used right since
the start of the Scott Robertson regime. It seems to
have been the contributing factor. Does that make sense to
you his selections, He's hardly gone out on a limb.
He's worked a lot with what Ian Foster left him
to move forward with. Do you think that's a fair
way of describing what Scott Robertson has done, even though
(04:27):
he's not a particularly conservative human being.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
That's right, Yeah, it was. Some of the selections were
very conservative, and you can sort of understand it to
a certain extent. I guess taking Sam Cain and TJ.
Perrenara on tour was fair enough, particularly Kane given the
loose Ford injuries. But then certainly in that Italy game,
we thought there was a scope to maybe introduce two
or three players, even a couple of new caps were there.
(04:53):
They may argue that, well, the best side nearly well,
the best side didn't play that well against Italy, so
you know, with the second stringers have actually done much better.
But I would have liked to have seen a bit more,
you know, a bit more openness in terms of introducing
some players at certain times. I mean Robertson will say, look,
(05:15):
we've had ten new caps. I mean that was great,
but some of them could have seen a bit more of.
I would have liked to have seen more of Reuben Love,
for instance, who got about twenty minutes against Japan. There
was probably scope to play Josh Lord a bit more
to find out whether you know where he stands in
the fourth or fifth lock standings, and you know there's
one or two others as well, No, I hope them
(05:37):
only you appeared briefly in one game, so yep. But
I think there's probably scope next year, particularly against France
b in July, to experiment a bit more. So hopefully
we'll see that coming up.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Camill Burns. Damien McKenzie, he had the team Jersey to
start to, eventually relinquished it, got it back again, has
been named as the first five eighth of the year
by World Rugby. Interesting call, two things. Where do you
think he ranks and who was the best first five
eighth in global rugby currently?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Well, I'm here to tell you it's not Damien McKenzie.
Much as I like him as a super rugby player
and a rugby player in general. He goal kicked very well.
We know that he played very well against Ireland and
in patches he showed his talent, but he didn't really
take control as much as we would have liked to
have seen. And that's why Boden Barrett, you know, who's
perhaps a safer pair of hands, came in for two
(06:33):
or three games. Who is the best first five in
the world. While on form likes of Finn Russell of Scotland,
Thomas Ramos has come in and played very well for France,
and Marcus Smith of England, who's a player they need
to England does need to build their game around. I
don't know whether they quite fully trust him yet, but
he's a man with a wide skill set. So those
(06:53):
three I would have thought would have ranked higher than McKenzie.
So to me, that was an interesting call, not one
I would have agreed with. So yeah, considering McKenzie's not
even the best number ten in New Zealand on form
at the moment, and.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Very shaky that ten role about where Robinson's actually going
with us, and of course we've got the shadow of
Richie Warner over the whole selection process too. Where do
they go and should there be alarm bells ringing around this?
This is the forkrum, this is the key selection in
the side. We don't appear to be much wiser about
where the team's going with that.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I think Robinson's banking on Richie Moner coming back and
that will there's a fair bit of water to go
under the bridge there to get him to break the
last year of his conduct in Japan. He was He's
definitely the man who will take control Raizer gets the
best out of him. People's talk about, oh, he hasn't
done much in two World Cups, will he has? Actually,
he's played pretty well in the last World Cup in particular,
(07:50):
but I mean just a world class ten. So he
would definitely be the man. If you think that they
can get him back from July next year, that would
be great or at worst in July twenty twenty six.
But he's still only thirty years old. Richie Morner, I
think he's got plenty left and would slot straight back
in because Robertson's shown he goes with men he trusts,
(08:11):
like Scott Barrett his captain for instance, and a lot
of these fringe crusaders. So I think he's putting all
his eggs in the wringer basket. So we'll see whether
he gets back next year or the year after.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Interesting Campbell that you mentioned Scott Barrett. The are few
word words around that maybe he might not be the
ideal guy and maybe the captaincy needs to change. Do
you want to expand on that for us?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, I'm not convinced about that. I mean Scott Barrett
still he's still a very good footballer. He's a starting lock.
People are worried about his discipline and the main and
that yellow card, I mean that was a crock rider
was probably a marginal call on the weekend against Italy.
He yeah, I mean he's had a couple of yellow cards.
The Aubets discipline as a whole hasn't been that great,
to be fair, But I don't think that's on Barrett's shoulders.
(08:59):
And again, I mean Robinson will always go with the
man he trusts. That's why Foster went with Sam Kin
His as his captain. Would have a problem with Ardie
Savia captain per se, but it's a question of whether
the coach is fully in sync with him. So I
don't think the captain c is a major issue. Barrett's
place as the starting lock is not in question. So yeah,
(09:21):
those sort of questions are more just a retaliation to
the fact that the Albeck's discipline hasn't been what it.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Should and it was a pretty average final game. I
think that the All Blacks one on the scoreboard, but
Italy won the night my personal opinion, let's leave things
Campbell burns with this areas of weakness. Where is the
tender underbelly position wise for this all black team, if
you were to ring alarm bells, where would you be
(09:47):
ringing them?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Well, probably a combination of that ten, twelve thirteen. Jeordi
Barrett's the best twelve, but who should be going at
ten more and might fill that hole? Ezraco? Are you
only the best center? Shannon Frazell could come back and
definitely fill that number six position, but I think some
of Penny fee now has a future there as well,
so those three positions, perhaps the right wing, so three
(10:10):
or four there. I think the type five is looking
pretty promising, but I wouldn't say there are necessarily areas
of weakness, but those are areas of concern as far
as making the whole part work in the allbacks and
generally speaking, the Fords are looking pretty good. We just
need to nail down that blindside flanker position and I
think Frazell could be the man coming back to do that,
and then if Ritchie Morgan comes back, I think the
(10:32):
rest of it will flow from there.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Rugby News editor and co editor of the Rugby Almanac,
former first five eight firm on Sam Moa Campbell Burns,
We thank you very much for your time. Now, get
out the deck chair, grab yourself on Mahito and do
nothing for a couple of months.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I'll try my best, does he.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
For more from sports talk, listen live to News Talks.
It'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Wildergrave
from news Talk zed Be.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We're joined now by Campbell. Burns is rugby news editor
co editor of the Rugby Olma makee for my first
five eighth playing four months summer as well. Campbell was
a pleasure to welcome to the program. I trust you.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Well, Thank you, Darcy. I'm very well and actually looking
forward to a bit of a summer break after a
smagers board of rugby.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's been a long old season, but we've only been
reporting it. You've been writing on it, We've not been playing,
so that's a key thing. Let's look back at this.
I suppose I've seen marks out of ten for the
season for Scott robertson comment left, right and center at
what he's done right, what he's done wrong? In a
broader sense of it, Has this been a successful season
(00:54):
for you? And based on what Campbell.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yes and no, I would I mean a ten to
four record. They might have taken that at the start
of the year, but we look closely at the ORBX
with more scrutiny, so we look at performances. So I
would say that we yet to get their four eighty
minute performance. We've seen ten rookies blooded, which is nice
and glimpses of very good rugby, but still a lot
(01:18):
of questions about this allbacks team, particularly around the game
management and their back line. Now I think the Fords
have taken some good strides there, but yep, there's still
work to do in a few rocks under those beach towls.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
During summer expectations for this team, I don't think anyone
expected they were going to win all fourteen test matches,
did they? That would probably be going a step too far.
What did you want to see? Where did they drop short?
You mentioned in the back line? Is that the biggest
problem you have?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I mean, when you've got a good Fords platform, and
they certainly did with the scrums, the lots of Tupo
V stepped up while a Setti came to the fore.
So the Fords overall were pretty good. They won their
boar and competed hard. I think there was probably a
bit of a disconnect. It was a bit better on
the inenterview too. When cam Royguard came back in. Damien
(02:12):
McKenzie had some good moments goalkicked well, but I'm not
convinced that he's the man to guide, to test the
side around the track, and then further out we didn't
really see well, we saw some good stuff from the
likes of Caleb Clark and Will Jordan, but still doubts
over who is the best other Wingzrico Yuwanni the best
center or is he better placed on the wing. These
(02:33):
are some questions that still sort of swirl about the
side and then just generally too much drop all. We
saw that against Italy on the weekend, just dropping the
ball and promising situations, which is hard to fathom really
because they work so hard on their skill set. Why
would they drop the ball as they do so infuriating
in patches the saw back side and then moments of
(02:54):
sunshine breaking out from that.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I think you could sum it up Campbell Burns. When
you look at the first year in charge, have you
seen enough to suggest that Scott Robinson is developing this?
Have you seen improvements regardless vow small way are but
do you think he's on the right track?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Well, I'm more confident with that in the last few
weeks over the Northern tour, because there was a strong
chance that they could have dropped three games as many
as three on on that Northern tour. They only dropped
the one in the end, even though we didn't get
the performance last weekend, So I think there was enough
there to show that, you know, if they make certain
(03:33):
changes in developing certain areas, that this is going to
be a pretty good side down the track. But you know,
we're an impatient public and you know we would have
preferred to see the performances now, and to be fair,
although in those four losses we probably could have won
two or three of them, it's fair to say that
we could have dropped two or three of the games
that we won as well. So a long way from
(03:55):
being perfect, and that wasn't necessarily the aim, but we'd
still like to see a bit more consistency and something
closer to a full eighty minute performance.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Conservative as been a word that's been used right since
the start of the Scott Robertson regime. It seems to
have been the contributing factor. Does that make sense to
you his selections, He's hardly gone out on a limb.
He's worked a lot with what Ian Foster left him
to move forward with. Do you think that's a fair
way of describing what Scott Robertson has done, even though
(04:27):
he's not a particularly conservative human being.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
That's right, Yeah, it was. Some of the selections were
very conservative, and you can sort of understand it to
a certain extent. I guess taking Sam Cain and TJ.
Perrenara on tour was fair enough, particularly Kane given the
loose Ford injuries. But then certainly in that Italy game,
we thought there was a scope to maybe introduce two
or three players, even a couple of new caps were there.
(04:53):
They may argue that, well, the best side nearly well,
the best side didn't play that well against Italy, so
you know, with the second stringers have actually done much better.
But I would have liked to have seen a bit more,
you know, a bit more openness in terms of introducing
some players at certain times. I mean Robertson will say, look,
(05:15):
we've had ten new caps. I mean that was great,
but some of them could have seen a bit more of.
I would have liked to have seen more of Reuben Love,
for instance, who got about twenty minutes against Japan. There
was probably scope to play Josh Lord a bit more
to find out whether you know where he stands in
the fourth or fifth lock standings, and you know there's
one or two others as well, No, I hope them
(05:37):
only you appeared briefly in one game, so yep. But
I think there's probably scope next year, particularly against France
b in July, to experiment a bit more. So hopefully
we'll see that coming up.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Camill Burns. Damien McKenzie, he had the team Jersey to
start to, eventually relinquished it, got it back again, has
been named as the first five eighth of the year
by World Rugby. Interesting call, two things. Where do you
think he ranks and who was the best first five
eighth in global rugby currently?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Well, I'm here to tell you it's not Damien McKenzie.
Much as I like him as a super rugby player
and a rugby player in general. He goal kicked very well.
We know that he played very well against Ireland and
in patches he showed his talent, but he didn't really
take control as much as we would have liked to
have seen. And that's why Boden Barrett, you know, who's
perhaps a safer pair of hands, came in for two
(06:33):
or three games. Who is the best first five in
the world. While on form likes of Finn Russell of Scotland,
Thomas Ramos has come in and played very well for France,
and Marcus Smith of England, who's a player they need
to England does need to build their game around. I
don't know whether they quite fully trust him yet, but
he's a man with a wide skill set. So those
(06:53):
three I would have thought would have ranked higher than McKenzie.
So to me, that was an interesting call, not one
I would have agreed with. So yeah, considering McKenzie's not
even the best number ten in New Zealand on form
at the moment, and.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Very shaky that ten role about where Robinson's actually going
with us, and of course we've got the shadow of
Richie Warner over the whole selection process too. Where do
they go and should there be alarm bells ringing around this?
This is the forkrum, this is the key selection in
the side. We don't appear to be much wiser about
where the team's going with that.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I think Robinson's banking on Richie Moner coming back and
that will there's a fair bit of water to go
under the bridge there to get him to break the
last year of his conduct in Japan. He was He's
definitely the man who will take control Raizer gets the
best out of him. People's talk about, oh, he hasn't
done much in two World Cups, will he has? Actually,
he's played pretty well in the last World Cup in particular,
(07:50):
but I mean just a world class ten. So he
would definitely be the man. If you think that they
can get him back from July next year, that would
be great or at worst in July twenty twenty six.
But he's still only thirty years old. Richie Morner, I
think he's got plenty left and would slot straight back
in because Robertson's shown he goes with men he trusts,
(08:11):
like Scott Barrett his captain for instance, and a lot
of these fringe crusaders. So I think he's putting all
his eggs in the wringer basket. So we'll see whether
he gets back next year or the year after.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Interesting Campbell that you mentioned Scott Barrett. The are few
word words around that maybe he might not be the
ideal guy and maybe the captaincy needs to change. Do
you want to expand on that for us?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, I'm not convinced about that. I mean Scott Barrett
still he's still a very good footballer. He's a starting lock.
People are worried about his discipline and the main and
that yellow card, I mean that was a crock rider
was probably a marginal call on the weekend against Italy.
He yeah, I mean he's had a couple of yellow cards.
The Aubets discipline as a whole hasn't been that great,
to be fair, But I don't think that's on Barrett's shoulders.
(08:59):
And again, I mean Robinson will always go with the
man he trusts. That's why Foster went with Sam Kin
His as his captain. Would have a problem with Ardie
Savia captain per se, but it's a question of whether
the coach is fully in sync with him. So I
don't think the captain c is a major issue. Barrett's
place as the starting lock is not in question. So yeah,
(09:21):
those sort of questions are more just a retaliation to
the fact that the Albeck's discipline hasn't been what it.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Should and it was a pretty average final game. I
think that the All Blacks one on the scoreboard, but
Italy won the night my personal opinion, let's leave things
Campbell burns with this areas of weakness. Where is the
tender underbelly position wise for this all black team, if
you were to ring alarm bells, where would you be
(09:47):
ringing them?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Well, probably a combination of that ten, twelve thirteen. Jeordi
Barrett's the best twelve, but who should be going at
ten more and might fill that hole? Ezraco? Are you
only the best center? Shannon Frazell could come back and
definitely fill that number six position, but I think some
of Penny fee now has a future there as well,
so those three positions, perhaps the right wing, so three
(10:10):
or four there. I think the type five is looking
pretty promising, but I wouldn't say there are necessarily areas
of weakness, but those are areas of concern as far
as making the whole part work in the allbacks and
generally speaking, the Fords are looking pretty good. We just
need to nail down that blindside flanker position and I
think Frazell could be the man coming back to do that,
and then if Ritchie Morgan comes back, I think the
(10:32):
rest of it will flow from there.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Rugby News editor and co editor of the Rugby Almanac,
former first five eight firm on Sam Moa Campbell Burns,
We thank you very much for your time. Now, get
out the deck chair, grab yourself on Mahito and do
nothing for a couple of months.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I'll try my best, does he.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
For more from sports talk, listen live to News Talks.
It'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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