We're a week into Super Rugby Fantasy and poor old D'Arcy Waldegrave still hasn't quite got his head around the optimal way to build his team.
Luckily he called NZME Super Rugby fantasy maestro Christopher Reive into the studio to explain who the best-performing players were in the first week of the competition.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Wildergrave
from News Talks' be Cross.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Reeve joints Now from The New Zealander Herald. You're are
maestro when it comes to fantasy rugby. Well you are
now you've been looking after it. You've been overseeing what
goes on with the what's the big enzid me group
that people can join up with.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I think it's just called Super Rugby ens in me,
But yeah, I've been trying to trying to figure things
out since it launched, going over the numbers and trying
to see who's good, who's who's gonna work for you?
And yeah, week one it did not pay off at all.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's the vagaries of the comp And that's why I've
got you in here, because people are doing it, and
maybe because I'm in sports so we're all talking about it.
But it's not just me and my sporting buddies. There
are other people I know who are like, oh yeah,
to go to that fantasy it's quite interesting, isn't it.
I think it's interesting because it's pretty simple and is
that the essence of it make it easy to understand
(01:03):
and easy to play. The people will come it.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Does seem like that's what they've done with this product
is at a very basic level of fantasy. You know,
they've given you a really decent budget. The players aren't
really overpriced or anything like that. You know, everyone can
have the same players. You can pick all your favorite players,
or you can do what I've done and try and
find the best players every week and put way too
(01:28):
much time into it for very very little outcome.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Very little return. So let's talk about what you've learned.
This is the key for me because when I was
putting my team together and I scored I don't know what,
four of ninety nine points. This is pretty low brower,
all things said and done. But I'm looking at the variables,
looking at the nuances, and I presume they are in there.
What have you picked up that might be worth applying
(01:54):
for round two?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
If anything, Well, you want some try scorers in your team,
that's for sure. A Week one really looked like a
backs game, right if you have a try scorer. One
try is fifteen points, So if someone's getting two tries,
that's thirty right off the bat, Like Kyle Preston came
off the bench. I think zero point one percent of
(02:17):
owners had him and the team. He's scored three tries
and got I think fifty odd points.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So tries are the big one. Where else is I
supposed points to be gained?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, meters gained. You get one point for every ten meters.
So if you've got someone like Will Jordan at fullback
who's catching the ball running it back, you know that's
ten twenty meters right there, just on kick returns, if
he's kicking, if he's not kicking, kicking the ball back
front rows they I think it's three points per scrum,
(02:47):
one for all three in the front row hookers. Obviously
there are points for lineouts one as well, and line
out's lost same as locks in the same category. Line
out's one, line out stolen. Line out stolen is worth
about five points, So it's pretty good if you can
find a good lock who's gonna get up and contest.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's where most of the points in the pack come.
You expect they're going to they're going to score the
odd tribe. But what about the tackles made, because that's
where predominantly you're six, seven and eight are going to
start getting some points.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, so it's pretty simple with tackles made tackle is
one point, miss tackle is minus one point. Then you
go to the like your number ten's Damien McKenzie, Like
I thought week one against the Blues, Damien McKenzie, probably
leave him alone. That's a that's a tough matchup. Got
to apologize to Damien Damien McKenzie for having that theory
because he went out and absolutely smashed it. Penalties, converted conversions.
(03:46):
You know, kicking points is obviously care as well. So
a guy like Damien McKenzie who's currently playing at fullback,
running the ball, scoring tries, breaking the line, assisting on
all these things, the.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Line breaks, assist, there's pretty much every assist.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Line breaks, line break assists, defenders beaten. These are all
scoring things. So a guy like Damian mackenzie, he's probably,
I mean, this week, he's probably the number one guy
you want to bring into your team if you don't
already have them.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Chris Reeve joins us from New Zealand here looking at
Fantasy Super Rugby Pacific twenty twenty five. You get sent off,
you're losing points, you get sent off for the whole game.
You've lost a pile more where else can you lose.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Miss tackles is obviously a key one. I've written down
a few here. Actually, what else we got? Miss penalties, misconversions,
line out, stolen you're obviously the hooker loses a point there,
so little bits and pieces like that. But there are
definitely more scoring categories, and there is missing like red
card I think is the most with a minus ten,
(04:49):
Yellow is minus five.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
There's something else about this that is curious, for want
of a better word, and that is the positions where
you select players, and I think this has been underestimated
by a lot of people. The position are sorted out.
You've got the back three, you've got the loose forwards,
you've got the locks. About that goes on and on
and on. Some players, though, have been identified in the
(05:14):
game as being something they're not necessarily getting picked that
so you might have let's talk about Cullen Grace for example.
How's that? How does this work?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah? So I believe this is just based on where
or what position they're primarily listed as by the team.
Cul and Grace is an interesting one because yeah, he's
obviously listed at lock, but he plays loose forward more
often than not these days, and I think maybe in
the future you might see something kind of like what
(05:43):
the NRL do. If a player can play in two positions,
they'll be listed in either, and you can put them
either as a lock or a loose forward. And I
think in the NRL they also adjust it throughout the year.
So if you've got someone who wasn't expected to play,
say center, they were just expected to play second row.
If they've played x amount of games at center, then
(06:04):
they become second row and center.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
But the moment doesn't sit like that. So you've got
someone like Grace who's listed as a lock, but if
he plays in the loose he's more than likely to
pick up a lot more points in that loose position,
but he's only sleep that as a lock. And this
goes to a number of other positions and you look
to the back three because that's where the points are at.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean culin Grace seems to be a
little bit of a cheat coder for lack of a
better word. I guess there's not much of a cheat
code when everyone in the competition can have him, and
I expect, you know, after last week he was the
highest scoring lock, so I think he'll be in a
lot of teams this week. But yeah, you look at
guys who are listed in the midfield who are playing
fullback or something like that. You know a lot of
(06:50):
the points are going to come from those fullback guys
or or the tens.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
So and another trick, and we've got to add this
before we let you go here, Chris ra even thanks
for him much for your time. You've got a ways
of getting bonus. One of those is so you can
give a triple captain so you get triple points. Can
only do it once for the entire competition, so choose
it carefully. But it's come to matchups, isn't it. This
is what we're looking up here. So you need to
(07:16):
find a dominant player who's playing a terrible team in
a foreign climb and that's where you start cashing in.
So it's little weed tips like that that are going
to help you score big points.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah. Absolutely, being strategic around those boosters. I think that's
really one of the only strategic points this season. Like
your players aren't, you know, going up and down in price,
so you don't have to kind of factor that. And
your players aren't, like I said before, they aren't getting
that dual position status, so you don't have to factor that,
and so using these boosters is really like the point
(07:50):
of difference this season. And I mean, like you say,
on matchups, that's how I would I would look at it.
I'd probably wait a few weeks and see who's good,
who's who's not so good. But I mean everyone who
used their triple captain on Damon McKenzie week one got
three hundred and twelve points, So that's I mean, I
wouldn't be surprised if that's the best score of the season.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Wildergrave
from News Talks' be Cross.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Reeve joints Now from The New Zealander Herald. You're are
maestro when it comes to fantasy rugby. Well you are
now you've been looking after it. You've been overseeing what
goes on with the what's the big enzid me group
that people can join up with.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I think it's just called Super Rugby ens in me,
But yeah, I've been trying to trying to figure things
out since it launched, going over the numbers and trying
to see who's good, who's who's gonna work for you?
And yeah, week one it did not pay off at all.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's the vagaries of the comp And that's why I've
got you in here, because people are doing it, and
maybe because I'm in sports so we're all talking about it.
But it's not just me and my sporting buddies. There
are other people I know who are like, oh yeah,
to go to that fantasy it's quite interesting, isn't it.
I think it's interesting because it's pretty simple and is
that the essence of it make it easy to understand
(01:03):
and easy to play. The people will come it.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Does seem like that's what they've done with this product
is at a very basic level of fantasy. You know,
they've given you a really decent budget. The players aren't
really overpriced or anything like that. You know, everyone can
have the same players. You can pick all your favorite players,
or you can do what I've done and try and
find the best players every week and put way too
(01:28):
much time into it for very very little outcome.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Very little return. So let's talk about what you've learned.
This is the key for me because when I was
putting my team together and I scored I don't know what,
four of ninety nine points. This is pretty low brower,
all things said and done. But I'm looking at the variables,
looking at the nuances, and I presume they are in there.
What have you picked up that might be worth applying
(01:54):
for round two?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
If anything, Well, you want some try scorers in your team,
that's for sure. A Week one really looked like a
backs game, right if you have a try scorer. One
try is fifteen points, So if someone's getting two tries,
that's thirty right off the bat, Like Kyle Preston came
off the bench. I think zero point one percent of
(02:17):
owners had him and the team. He's scored three tries
and got I think fifty odd points.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So tries are the big one. Where else is I
supposed points to be gained?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, meters gained. You get one point for every ten meters.
So if you've got someone like Will Jordan at fullback
who's catching the ball running it back, you know that's
ten twenty meters right there, just on kick returns, if
he's kicking, if he's not kicking, kicking the ball back
front rows they I think it's three points per scrum,
(02:47):
one for all three in the front row hookers. Obviously
there are points for lineouts one as well, and line
out's lost same as locks in the same category. Line
out's one, line out stolen. Line out stolen is worth
about five points, So it's pretty good if you can
find a good lock who's gonna get up and contest.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's where most of the points in the pack come.
You expect they're going to they're going to score the
odd tribe. But what about the tackles made, because that's
where predominantly you're six, seven and eight are going to
start getting some points.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, so it's pretty simple with tackles made tackle is
one point, miss tackle is minus one point. Then you
go to the like your number ten's Damien McKenzie, Like
I thought week one against the Blues, Damien McKenzie, probably
leave him alone. That's a that's a tough matchup. Got
to apologize to Damien Damien McKenzie for having that theory
because he went out and absolutely smashed it. Penalties, converted conversions.
(03:46):
You know, kicking points is obviously care as well. So
a guy like Damien McKenzie who's currently playing at fullback,
running the ball, scoring tries, breaking the line, assisting on
all these things, the.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Line breaks, assist, there's pretty much every assist.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Line breaks, line break assists, defenders beaten. These are all
scoring things. So a guy like Damian mackenzie, he's probably,
I mean, this week, he's probably the number one guy
you want to bring into your team if you don't
already have them.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Chris Reeve joins us from New Zealand here looking at
Fantasy Super Rugby Pacific twenty twenty five. You get sent off,
you're losing points, you get sent off for the whole game.
You've lost a pile more where else can you lose.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Miss tackles is obviously a key one. I've written down
a few here. Actually, what else we got? Miss penalties, misconversions,
line out, stolen you're obviously the hooker loses a point there,
so little bits and pieces like that. But there are
definitely more scoring categories, and there is missing like red
card I think is the most with a minus ten,
(04:49):
Yellow is minus five.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
There's something else about this that is curious, for want
of a better word, and that is the positions where
you select players, and I think this has been underestimated
by a lot of people. The position are sorted out.
You've got the back three, you've got the loose forwards,
you've got the locks. About that goes on and on
and on. Some players, though, have been identified in the
(05:14):
game as being something they're not necessarily getting picked that
so you might have let's talk about Cullen Grace for example.
How's that? How does this work?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah? So I believe this is just based on where
or what position they're primarily listed as by the team.
Cul and Grace is an interesting one because yeah, he's
obviously listed at lock, but he plays loose forward more
often than not these days, and I think maybe in
the future you might see something kind of like what
(05:43):
the NRL do. If a player can play in two positions,
they'll be listed in either, and you can put them
either as a lock or a loose forward. And I
think in the NRL they also adjust it throughout the year.
So if you've got someone who wasn't expected to play,
say center, they were just expected to play second row.
If they've played x amount of games at center, then
(06:04):
they become second row and center.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
But the moment doesn't sit like that. So you've got
someone like Grace who's listed as a lock, but if
he plays in the loose he's more than likely to
pick up a lot more points in that loose position,
but he's only sleep that as a lock. And this
goes to a number of other positions and you look
to the back three because that's where the points are at.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean culin Grace seems to be a
little bit of a cheat coder for lack of a
better word. I guess there's not much of a cheat
code when everyone in the competition can have him, and
I expect, you know, after last week he was the
highest scoring lock, so I think he'll be in a
lot of teams this week. But yeah, you look at
guys who are listed in the midfield who are playing
fullback or something like that. You know a lot of
(06:50):
the points are going to come from those fullback guys
or or the tens.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
So and another trick, and we've got to add this
before we let you go here, Chris ra even thanks
for him much for your time. You've got a ways
of getting bonus. One of those is so you can
give a triple captain so you get triple points. Can
only do it once for the entire competition, so choose
it carefully. But it's come to matchups, isn't it. This
is what we're looking up here. So you need to
(07:16):
find a dominant player who's playing a terrible team in
a foreign climb and that's where you start cashing in.
So it's little weed tips like that that are going
to help you score big points.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah. Absolutely, being strategic around those boosters. I think that's
really one of the only strategic points this season. Like
your players aren't, you know, going up and down in price,
so you don't have to kind of factor that. And
your players aren't, like I said before, they aren't getting
that dual position status, so you don't have to factor that,
and so using these boosters is really like the point
(07:50):
of difference this season. And I mean, like you say,
on matchups, that's how I would I would look at it.
I'd probably wait a few weeks and see who's good,
who's who's not so good. But I mean everyone who
used their triple captain on Damon McKenzie week one got
three hundred and twelve points, So that's I mean, I
wouldn't be surprised if that's the best score of the season.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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