August 9, 2024 • 8 mins
Wellington Phoenix General Manager David Dome joined D'Arcy Waldegrave to discuss the signing of Alex Paulsen to Auckland FC - just months after leaving the Nix.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk ZBB one.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's in Phoenix Football Club, but general manager David Dome
joins us now on news Talk ZB. Hello to David
that Dome might expect your eyes are still quite wide
open after the announcement that one of your former players,
Alex Sportsm, has come all the way to Auckland via
born With. That's quite a long trip.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Mate, It's quite a return trip, isn't It's a roundabout
way and it was not that we were it didn't
ever think that Ap would end up at Auckland. And
this to be absolutely clear, we're not against him playing
for Auckland. That's not what we're raised today. The issue
for us is at the actual the paperwork hasn't been done.
So there is this thing called a Casira's Clause which
(00:54):
currently is in place in the A leagues, which we
are in favor of both overturning because we think there
should be free movement of players between leagues and between clubs.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
We're not against that, it's just that it hasn't been
overturned yet.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
So at the moment, Ap while he can train and
play in Auckland, he actually can't play in the A
League as yet and he can only actually.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Play for in friendies at the moment.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
So that's the bit that we're pushing for clarification on
and apparently that's with Football Australia now, so it's actually
with them.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
So what has to happen? They just have to rub
a stamp something that overturn something. What do they have
to do so now can actually play?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
There has to be an agreement on how these on
cases like this where a player is sold to a
parent club and then loaned back to another club which
plays in the same league as the club that sold
the player, and what hasn't been agreed is how is
that handled amongst the clubs for an example, or within
the club system.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
For example, we have a salary cap system in the
A League. Now, if ap.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Is going to be loaned back to Auckland, what percentage
of his salary is allocated back to the salary cap
for the purpose of Auckland.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Is it is it one hundred percent of his born
this salary?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Is it fifty percent of his born salary or the
salary that he had when he left one in Phoenix
and all of these things need to be clarified before
Football Australia will agree to it. So that's where it
currently sits and how no one really knows how long
that's going to take.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
So why hasn't this been sorted earlier? I mean the
A League's kind of like not exactly come down to
the last shower. This strikes me as it was very
odd that it hasn't been addressed or hasn't been sorted
and we don't know what the ramifications or the laws
of the rulings are going to be, isn't it odd? David?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It's taken longer than we've been sort of. The clubs
in APL have been working on this for quite a
few months now from my understanding from APL, they have
put something to Football Australia which they said they did
have agreement on for Football Australia, but it's been subsequently withdrawn.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
So now they have to go back.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
To the drawing board and workout, well, what did actors,
What does Football Australia want in terms of the regulations
around situations such like this. So it's now currently with
Football Australia about what they wanted, what they want to see,
and then as soon as that gets done then it
should be cleared away. But until it is, Auckland have
been a little bit presumptuous in terms of making the
announcement until that's made. And I guess they want AP
(03:15):
to play and they want to get them into their camp,
so that's probably why they've done it. But the eyes
that haven't been dotted in the tcenting cross and you know,
certainly we wouldn't have made the announcement without having full
clarity on that position because there is a small chance
that Football Australia don't approve the regulation changes, in which
case AP can't play for Auckland.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
But I think that's a small chance. But you just
don't know in the current environment.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, surely this is an A League situation and they
should be driving this as opposed to the Wellington Phoenix
going oh, hold on, we've seen something here, because now
you're looking like the bad guys. David, you said before
you want them to play, you got no problem. But
by you going saying oh, this has to be sorted out,
does that cast you on a poor white Is it
really your responsibility to make a noise around this?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
No, it's not our responsibility.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
We're not the regulator of the competition and you're absolutely
right we want to see Alex Paulson play.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
We're not against them playing for Auckland.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
In fact, we need him to continue to develop because
as you'll know, with any player transfer there there are
future revenue streams potentially if Alex continues to develop and
goes on to bigger and better things outside Auckland, outside
Born before whatever. So we need him to play, and
you know it wouldn't it would have been ideal if
it's been at Bournemouth or a club outside the APL,
but it is what it is. And again we just
(04:29):
want Alex to develop as a play and we're big
AP fans and so it's important that he continues to
develop as a player.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
But you're right, it shouldn't be us. That's that's that's
pushing us along.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
And like I say, I think there was agreement at
least some principle last week, but that changed at last
minute and the announcement's gone out regardless.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
So look, you know it is what it is. We've
got to move on now.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
But they have to get these regulations sorted out before
the start of the season otherwise AP can't play for
anyone in the A League.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It would still come back to the fact that you
have to be your driving this though not the not
not the A League are doing it, so you're being
made to look like the bad guy. Do you feel
like you actually have to do this or someone has
to do this so you bound by that through the
A League itself. You see where I'm coming from here, David.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I mean, our responsibility for this now now rest and
I would assume that Auckland they see and they're going
to have to pick this up with apl and Football
Australia to push it through. We don't really have any
skin in the game left now except we want ap
to play football, and it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
It has to move on, it has to move.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
On quickly and from our from our point of view,
now we've got to concentrate on our own squad and
I know that that the chief and short girl football
rates manager are working hard on getting more players across
the line. So it's all happening down at our end.
But it's yeah, this was to be honest. If anything,
this is the distraction that we probably didn't need at
the stage.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
But you've engaged in the distraction. If you hadn't have
done anything, or I hadn't have inquired about the legistimacy
of US qualifying, would anything have happened.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Well, I mean Auckland made the announcement in any way
and that they were going to sign AP. So I
think the reality is that there was always going to
be some Christians raised because the consider's clause was public knowledge.
People did know that that Ap could not play for
Auckland under the current serious clause, so there was going
to be comments. There was going to be speculation as
to what it actually meant for him. So all we've
(06:16):
done has just come out and position on it.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
And the fact that he's gone up there, did you
kind of figure that was going to be the case.
I'm sure that Alex was rather creshed for him. It's like, Wow,
I thought I was going to go and play over
in the EPL, I'm playing Europe. Suddenly I've just gone
up Highway one and I'm playing in Auckland.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Look, when he moved to Bournemouth, he did come out
and say that they've got a four year plan for him. Now,
whether that included Auckland, who knows. That's nothing to do
with willingtonvenence that was between the player and Bournemouth.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Now he may have been potentially expecting that he was going.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
To end up in Auckland, who knows, But you know,
I think the fact that they do have a four
year strategy for AP and that's really positive for him
as a player.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
And you know, hopefully he goes on to bigger and
builder things sooner around than later.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
It's going to add a bit of spice, like there
isn't spice already here to the start of the season
either sort he won, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
But a rivalry, great part of the.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Ivory, great part of the first derby that we will play,
the return of AP and yeah, look it's gonna look
at it. It's another little angle that's gonna that's gonna
be around that first game that we play against.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Auckland in November and everyone can't wait for it. You know.
I think that the ticket is going to go on
SOD the next couple of weeks and we fully expect
it's going to be a big craft that first year.
But music professionals in on.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Football derby and you know it's good regardless of who's
in golf. For Auckland or and who's on on the
on the on either of the two teams, it's going
to be a massive match.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
But if they say no you can't play, will you
feel a wee bit stink that you sought clarification? Will
you hold that or not?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
No, because it's got nothing to do with with the
will into things.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
The fact that the casirirous cause is still in place
is is regardless of whether we are so anybody had
brought it up.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
It's still in place.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
It just needs to be clarified and I my gut
feelers that they'll get it done before the start of
the season and it won't be anything that we had raised.
Everybody knew that the clause was still in place, including
Auckland and Football Australia. So now it's just if anything
and this may have been Auckland Statdedy, let just bring
the whole thing to a head.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talk
z B from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk ZBB one.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's in Phoenix Football Club, but general manager David Dome
joins us now on news Talk ZB. Hello to David
that Dome might expect your eyes are still quite wide
open after the announcement that one of your former players,
Alex Sportsm, has come all the way to Auckland via
born With. That's quite a long trip.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Mate, It's quite a return trip, isn't It's a roundabout
way and it was not that we were it didn't
ever think that Ap would end up at Auckland. And
this to be absolutely clear, we're not against him playing
for Auckland. That's not what we're raised today. The issue
for us is at the actual the paperwork hasn't been done.
So there is this thing called a Casira's Clause which
(00:54):
currently is in place in the A leagues, which we
are in favor of both overturning because we think there
should be free movement of players between leagues and between clubs.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
We're not against that, it's just that it hasn't been
overturned yet.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
So at the moment, Ap while he can train and
play in Auckland, he actually can't play in the A
League as yet and he can only actually.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Play for in friendies at the moment.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
So that's the bit that we're pushing for clarification on
and apparently that's with Football Australia now, so it's actually
with them.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
So what has to happen? They just have to rub
a stamp something that overturn something. What do they have
to do so now can actually play?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
There has to be an agreement on how these on
cases like this where a player is sold to a
parent club and then loaned back to another club which
plays in the same league as the club that sold
the player, and what hasn't been agreed is how is
that handled amongst the clubs for an example, or within
the club system.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
For example, we have a salary cap system in the
A League. Now, if ap.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Is going to be loaned back to Auckland, what percentage
of his salary is allocated back to the salary cap
for the purpose of Auckland.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Is it is it one hundred percent of his born
this salary?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Is it fifty percent of his born salary or the
salary that he had when he left one in Phoenix
and all of these things need to be clarified before
Football Australia will agree to it. So that's where it
currently sits and how no one really knows how long
that's going to take.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
So why hasn't this been sorted earlier? I mean the
A League's kind of like not exactly come down to
the last shower. This strikes me as it was very
odd that it hasn't been addressed or hasn't been sorted
and we don't know what the ramifications or the laws
of the rulings are going to be, isn't it odd? David?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It's taken longer than we've been sort of. The clubs
in APL have been working on this for quite a
few months now from my understanding from APL, they have
put something to Football Australia which they said they did
have agreement on for Football Australia, but it's been subsequently withdrawn.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
So now they have to go back.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
To the drawing board and workout, well, what did actors,
What does Football Australia want in terms of the regulations
around situations such like this. So it's now currently with
Football Australia about what they wanted, what they want to see,
and then as soon as that gets done then it
should be cleared away. But until it is, Auckland have
been a little bit presumptuous in terms of making the
announcement until that's made. And I guess they want AP
(03:15):
to play and they want to get them into their camp,
so that's probably why they've done it. But the eyes
that haven't been dotted in the tcenting cross and you know,
certainly we wouldn't have made the announcement without having full
clarity on that position because there is a small chance
that Football Australia don't approve the regulation changes, in which
case AP can't play for Auckland.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
But I think that's a small chance. But you just
don't know in the current environment.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, surely this is an A League situation and they
should be driving this as opposed to the Wellington Phoenix
going oh, hold on, we've seen something here, because now
you're looking like the bad guys. David, you said before
you want them to play, you got no problem. But
by you going saying oh, this has to be sorted out,
does that cast you on a poor white Is it
really your responsibility to make a noise around this?
Speaker 4 (03:59):
No, it's not our responsibility.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
We're not the regulator of the competition and you're absolutely
right we want to see Alex Paulson play.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
We're not against them playing for Auckland.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
In fact, we need him to continue to develop because
as you'll know, with any player transfer there there are
future revenue streams potentially if Alex continues to develop and
goes on to bigger and better things outside Auckland, outside
Born before whatever. So we need him to play, and
you know it wouldn't it would have been ideal if
it's been at Bournemouth or a club outside the APL,
but it is what it is. And again we just
(04:29):
want Alex to develop as a play and we're big
AP fans and so it's important that he continues to
develop as a player.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
But you're right, it shouldn't be us. That's that's that's
pushing us along.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
And like I say, I think there was agreement at
least some principle last week, but that changed at last
minute and the announcement's gone out regardless.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
So look, you know it is what it is. We've
got to move on now.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
But they have to get these regulations sorted out before
the start of the season otherwise AP can't play for
anyone in the A League.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It would still come back to the fact that you
have to be your driving this though not the not
not the A League are doing it, so you're being
made to look like the bad guy. Do you feel
like you actually have to do this or someone has
to do this so you bound by that through the
A League itself. You see where I'm coming from here, David.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I mean, our responsibility for this now now rest and
I would assume that Auckland they see and they're going
to have to pick this up with apl and Football
Australia to push it through. We don't really have any
skin in the game left now except we want ap
to play football, and it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
It has to move on, it has to move.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
On quickly and from our from our point of view,
now we've got to concentrate on our own squad and
I know that that the chief and short girl football
rates manager are working hard on getting more players across
the line. So it's all happening down at our end.
But it's yeah, this was to be honest. If anything,
this is the distraction that we probably didn't need at
the stage.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
But you've engaged in the distraction. If you hadn't have
done anything, or I hadn't have inquired about the legistimacy
of US qualifying, would anything have happened.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Well, I mean Auckland made the announcement in any way
and that they were going to sign AP. So I
think the reality is that there was always going to
be some Christians raised because the consider's clause was public knowledge.
People did know that that Ap could not play for
Auckland under the current serious clause, so there was going
to be comments. There was going to be speculation as
to what it actually meant for him. So all we've
(06:16):
done has just come out and position on it.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
And the fact that he's gone up there, did you
kind of figure that was going to be the case.
I'm sure that Alex was rather creshed for him. It's like, Wow,
I thought I was going to go and play over
in the EPL, I'm playing Europe. Suddenly I've just gone
up Highway one and I'm playing in Auckland.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Look, when he moved to Bournemouth, he did come out
and say that they've got a four year plan for him. Now,
whether that included Auckland, who knows. That's nothing to do
with willingtonvenence that was between the player and Bournemouth.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Now he may have been potentially expecting that he was going.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
To end up in Auckland, who knows, But you know,
I think the fact that they do have a four
year strategy for AP and that's really positive for him
as a player.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
And you know, hopefully he goes on to bigger and
builder things sooner around than later.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
It's going to add a bit of spice, like there
isn't spice already here to the start of the season
either sort he won, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
But a rivalry, great part of the.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Ivory, great part of the first derby that we will play,
the return of AP and yeah, look it's gonna look
at it. It's another little angle that's gonna that's gonna
be around that first game that we play against.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Auckland in November and everyone can't wait for it. You know.
I think that the ticket is going to go on
SOD the next couple of weeks and we fully expect
it's going to be a big craft that first year.
But music professionals in on.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Football derby and you know it's good regardless of who's
in golf. For Auckland or and who's on on the
on the on either of the two teams, it's going
to be a massive match.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
But if they say no you can't play, will you
feel a wee bit stink that you sought clarification? Will
you hold that or not?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
No, because it's got nothing to do with with the
will into things.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
The fact that the casirirous cause is still in place
is is regardless of whether we are so anybody had
brought it up.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
It's still in place.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
It just needs to be clarified and I my gut
feelers that they'll get it done before the start of
the season and it won't be anything that we had raised.
Everybody knew that the clause was still in place, including
Auckland and Football Australia. So now it's just if anything
and this may have been Auckland Statdedy, let just bring
the whole thing to a head.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talk
z B from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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