Oleksandr Usyk is the undisputed boxing champion of the world.
He beat Daniel Dubois over the weekend to claim the IBF belt, the last major belt he didn't have.
Naturally, Joseph Parker wants to fight for the championships now - his promoter David Higgins spoke to D'Arcy Waldegrave on Sportstalk.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
from News Talk z'ed be.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Twelve minutes away from over the Weekend former Welt's white
now heavyweight holds four championship belts. That's Usik and he
beat up on Dubois. What now for Joe Parker? We
joined by his manager, David Parker. Good evening, I'm sorry,
(00:37):
I'm sorry, mister Higgins. I don't know where Parker came
from when you talk to me now, good.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Evening, goody, Darcy, please be on the show.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, great to have you on. It's great news. I
suppose when you look at Usik and what he did
to Daniel Dubois, next step Joe Parker. That's what we'd
like to think. But what has to be overcome? What
has to be negotiated to get these two guys in
the ring for those belts?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
What happens now, David, Well, Darcy, it's really good, quite simple.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Usik has proven yet again he's the best in the
world and he's become undisputed heavyweight world champion, meaning he
holds all four championship heavyweight belts.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
The first since Lenix Lewis. For any decent.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Run and so now it's up to Alexander Usik who
he fights next. The WBO sanctioning body has ordered effectively
ordered him to fight Parker next, and Parker's next in line,
So if Usik chooses to.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Fight Parker, it's all on.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Joseph will get a crack at the undisputed heavyweight world title,
which is.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Or four belts.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I don't think that's been done by New Zealand the
last time. Joe thought it was for one or one
or two of the versions of the title. But if
Usik chooses not to fight Joseph, then you would think
either he'll be stripped of the WBO belt or he'll
vacate it. And in that case, Joseph probably is still
(02:03):
fighting for world title, but.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Against someone else.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
It won't be handed to him on a plate, but
there'll be another scrap, so what he'll find the number
two in the division. That generally how it works.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
David, Well, sometimes they do hand it to you on
a plate, and it's not the most glorious way to
win the title is just to be given it without
having a fight, but it has happened. If they deem
that you're interim or that you've been waiting long enough
for whatever. But sometimes they'll just declare a vacant title
and you would fight for the title. When Joseph won
(02:36):
his world title against Andrew Ruiz Junior in Auckland, New
Zealand at twenty sixteen December, that was for a vacant title,
so there was no champion. So in this case, all
options are on the table. Either USIK will want to
maintain the undisputed position and give Joseph the shot shot
in a.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Merit based system, that's what should happen.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
But if not, then he'll either be given the title,
but probably more likely he'll have to fight for the
vacant title.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Timeline what are we waiting for? Plainly USA has to
make that decision. But over how long? Once weeks?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Years? Yeah, good question.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
So we're in a two fight promotional arrangement with Queensburry
Box and Frank Warren. So Frank Warren's Queensburry Organization will
be negotiating with discussing it with the WBO and lobbying
to work out time frame. Normally, the sanctioning body would
give a period of time, like say a month to
the camps to make a deal. They'd say Okay, guys,
(03:37):
you two need to fight each other. You've got four
weeks to make a deal now. And normally, if they
don't make a deal, or if it looks like negotiations
are going nowhere, the sanctioning body will often declare what's
called a purse bird. It's effectively an option where anyone
that's sort of licensed and capable of promoting the belt
can put a tender in like an envelope with a
(03:59):
check in it, basically saying this is how much we
would pay to own the rights to the fight. They
open all the envelope hopes, and the winning bidder owns.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
All worldwide rights to the fights.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
And then the money they've bid gets splits between champion
and challenger at normally like a seventy five twenty five splits,
So in practice went persepered. Say someone say Frank Warren
bids ten million pounds, you might see Usik gets seven
(04:34):
point five and Parker get two point five or variations
of that. That's how a perseed works. And then whoever
wins then owns all the revenue, the television, the gates,
the stadium, the tickets, the lot, and they obviously hoping
that the revenue is from what they've bid, So it's
you know, not for the faint hearts of these persepers?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Is that common? Does it happen much? David?
Speaker 4 (04:56):
So, when when Joseph Parker beat Andy Ruez, the WBO
ordered that Joseph and Huey Fury fight each other, the nephew,
the cousin of Tyson Fury, and our company Duco and
Queensbury who had hue Fury couldn't make a deal and
(05:16):
a perspied was ordered.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
So we actually participated in a perspered.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
And we I sent one of my young staff to
Puerto Rico with an envelope with a check in it
for the deposit, and we made a bird.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
And it's very much.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Guests, we're estimating against a budget and psychology. You have
to figure out what the other party's going to bird
and try a bit a bit more, but not so
much all bankrupt yourself. Anyway, long story short, we won
the persepered, so Douco won the purspered, and Huey Fury
was ordered to fight Joseph in New Zealand. We booked
spark Arena, put it all on sale, and then about
(05:50):
three weeks out he claimed to have a back injury
and it all fell over.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Were you out a pocket? After that, David or.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Well, we scrambled and got rav Jan Kajanu as a
replacement opponent and ran a world title fire like Joseph
Parker Usu Kajanan at what was in the Vodaphone Events
Center in Manekau and Joseph won the fight, and then
we were ordered again that we had to fight Huey Fury, and.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
So we were back to square one.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
And on the second occasion I managed to hammer or
out a deal on the telephone with Peter Fury, who
is the father of Huey and the uncle of Tyson Fury.
We hammered out a deal to do the fight in
Manchester for a person guarantee. So we all went up
to Manchester and Joseph won the fights against hue and
retains his WO world title.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
As far as the appetite for park of the USIK,
I know that you have it, and I know Joe
has it. I know a lot of fight fans have it.
But is that something that will generate the required income?
Is this something that people will fight for because they
want it or is there someone to one side, because
let's face it, Usik's beaten the best of the best
(07:02):
who actually represents a better bang for for a possible
promotion or running of the fight.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I think the most credible matchup in the heavyweight division
is Alexander Usik vers Joseph Parker. And I'm not just
saying that because I'm the manager. I say credible because
Joseph really has earned the shots.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Like he's been on a roll.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
He's had three four massive wins in a row, and
he's beaten bogey men, feared opponents like John Tay Wilder,
like Zilai Zang.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Then Martin Pecoli, who he knocked out all in just
over in the year.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
So even like Lennix Lewis Tony bellw prominent pundits are
saying that Joseph absolutely earned the shot and he's a
household name in the UK. Similarly, Usik now has massive
credibility with British fans who loved their boxing and not
you know, he's beaten Anti Joshua twice British, he's been
(07:58):
Fury British twice and now he's gone and beaten dubois
At has sold out Wembley, So it's all timing now,
Usick Parker would now be worthy of a stadium in
the UK and it would be a global television event
that has real credibility. I don't think it's as credible
for Usik to go and fight guys he's already beaten again,
(08:20):
like Fury or Joshua or say Chasora. He's already beaten them.
So the most credible matchup that's in the best interest
of sport is Usik versus Parker, and that's that's.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
The merit based system. Hopefully it kicks in.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
But that being said, Usik fighting as Tyson Fury again
might make a bit more money, Like you know, that
might be a Wembley show.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
It might make a bit more money.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
But it's the third.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Time they fought. Usik's already won twice. It's sort of
it will be a shame if that's how it plays out.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Indeed, David, thanks very much for joining us.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
from News Talk z'ed be.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Twelve minutes away from over the Weekend former Welt's white
now heavyweight holds four championship belts. That's Usik and he
beat up on Dubois. What now for Joe Parker? We
joined by his manager, David Parker. Good evening, I'm sorry,
(00:37):
I'm sorry, mister Higgins. I don't know where Parker came
from when you talk to me now, good.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Evening, goody, Darcy, please be on the show.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, great to have you on. It's great news. I
suppose when you look at Usik and what he did
to Daniel Dubois, next step Joe Parker. That's what we'd
like to think. But what has to be overcome? What
has to be negotiated to get these two guys in
the ring for those belts?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
What happens now, David, Well, Darcy, it's really good, quite simple.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Usik has proven yet again he's the best in the
world and he's become undisputed heavyweight world champion, meaning he
holds all four championship heavyweight belts.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
The first since Lenix Lewis. For any decent.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Run and so now it's up to Alexander Usik who
he fights next. The WBO sanctioning body has ordered effectively
ordered him to fight Parker next, and Parker's next in line,
So if Usik chooses to.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Fight Parker, it's all on.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Joseph will get a crack at the undisputed heavyweight world title,
which is.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Or four belts.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I don't think that's been done by New Zealand the
last time. Joe thought it was for one or one
or two of the versions of the title. But if
Usik chooses not to fight Joseph, then you would think
either he'll be stripped of the WBO belt or he'll
vacate it. And in that case, Joseph probably is still
(02:03):
fighting for world title, but.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Against someone else.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
It won't be handed to him on a plate, but
there'll be another scrap, so what he'll find the number
two in the division. That generally how it works.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
David, Well, sometimes they do hand it to you on
a plate, and it's not the most glorious way to
win the title is just to be given it without
having a fight, but it has happened. If they deem
that you're interim or that you've been waiting long enough
for whatever. But sometimes they'll just declare a vacant title
and you would fight for the title. When Joseph won
(02:36):
his world title against Andrew Ruiz Junior in Auckland, New
Zealand at twenty sixteen December, that was for a vacant title,
so there was no champion. So in this case, all
options are on the table. Either USIK will want to
maintain the undisputed position and give Joseph the shot shot
in a.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Merit based system, that's what should happen.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
But if not, then he'll either be given the title,
but probably more likely he'll have to fight for the
vacant title.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Timeline what are we waiting for? Plainly USA has to
make that decision. But over how long? Once weeks?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Years? Yeah, good question.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
So we're in a two fight promotional arrangement with Queensburry
Box and Frank Warren. So Frank Warren's Queensburry Organization will
be negotiating with discussing it with the WBO and lobbying
to work out time frame. Normally, the sanctioning body would
give a period of time, like say a month to
the camps to make a deal. They'd say Okay, guys,
(03:37):
you two need to fight each other. You've got four
weeks to make a deal now. And normally, if they
don't make a deal, or if it looks like negotiations
are going nowhere, the sanctioning body will often declare what's
called a purse bird. It's effectively an option where anyone
that's sort of licensed and capable of promoting the belt
can put a tender in like an envelope with a
(03:59):
check in it, basically saying this is how much we
would pay to own the rights to the fight. They
open all the envelope hopes, and the winning bidder owns.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
All worldwide rights to the fights.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
And then the money they've bid gets splits between champion
and challenger at normally like a seventy five twenty five splits,
So in practice went persepered. Say someone say Frank Warren
bids ten million pounds, you might see Usik gets seven
(04:34):
point five and Parker get two point five or variations
of that. That's how a perseed works. And then whoever
wins then owns all the revenue, the television, the gates,
the stadium, the tickets, the lot, and they obviously hoping
that the revenue is from what they've bid, So it's
you know, not for the faint hearts of these persepers?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Is that common? Does it happen much? David?
Speaker 4 (04:56):
So, when when Joseph Parker beat Andy Ruez, the WBO
ordered that Joseph and Huey Fury fight each other, the nephew,
the cousin of Tyson Fury, and our company Duco and
Queensbury who had hue Fury couldn't make a deal and
(05:16):
a perspied was ordered.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
So we actually participated in a perspered.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
And we I sent one of my young staff to
Puerto Rico with an envelope with a check in it
for the deposit, and we made a bird.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
And it's very much.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Guests, we're estimating against a budget and psychology. You have
to figure out what the other party's going to bird
and try a bit a bit more, but not so
much all bankrupt yourself. Anyway, long story short, we won
the persepered, so Douco won the purspered, and Huey Fury
was ordered to fight Joseph in New Zealand. We booked
spark Arena, put it all on sale, and then about
(05:50):
three weeks out he claimed to have a back injury
and it all fell over.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Were you out a pocket? After that, David or.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Well, we scrambled and got rav Jan Kajanu as a
replacement opponent and ran a world title fire like Joseph
Parker Usu Kajanan at what was in the Vodaphone Events
Center in Manekau and Joseph won the fight, and then
we were ordered again that we had to fight Huey Fury, and.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
So we were back to square one.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
And on the second occasion I managed to hammer or
out a deal on the telephone with Peter Fury, who
is the father of Huey and the uncle of Tyson Fury.
We hammered out a deal to do the fight in
Manchester for a person guarantee. So we all went up
to Manchester and Joseph won the fights against hue and
retains his WO world title.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
As far as the appetite for park of the USIK,
I know that you have it, and I know Joe
has it. I know a lot of fight fans have it.
But is that something that will generate the required income?
Is this something that people will fight for because they
want it or is there someone to one side, because
let's face it, Usik's beaten the best of the best
(07:02):
who actually represents a better bang for for a possible
promotion or running of the fight.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I think the most credible matchup in the heavyweight division
is Alexander Usik vers Joseph Parker. And I'm not just
saying that because I'm the manager. I say credible because
Joseph really has earned the shots.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Like he's been on a roll.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
He's had three four massive wins in a row, and
he's beaten bogey men, feared opponents like John Tay Wilder,
like Zilai Zang.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Then Martin Pecoli, who he knocked out all in just
over in the year.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
So even like Lennix Lewis Tony bellw prominent pundits are
saying that Joseph absolutely earned the shot and he's a
household name in the UK. Similarly, Usik now has massive
credibility with British fans who loved their boxing and not
you know, he's beaten Anti Joshua twice British, he's been
(07:58):
Fury British twice and now he's gone and beaten dubois
At has sold out Wembley, So it's all timing now,
Usick Parker would now be worthy of a stadium in
the UK and it would be a global television event
that has real credibility. I don't think it's as credible
for Usik to go and fight guys he's already beaten again,
(08:20):
like Fury or Joshua or say Chasora. He's already beaten them.
So the most credible matchup that's in the best interest
of sport is Usik versus Parker, and that's that's.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
The merit based system. Hopefully it kicks in.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
But that being said, Usik fighting as Tyson Fury again
might make a bit more money, Like you know, that
might be a Wembley show.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
It might make a bit more money.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
But it's the third.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Time they fought. Usik's already won twice. It's sort of
it will be a shame if that's how it plays out.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Indeed, David, thanks very much for joining us.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
For more from Sports Talk, listen live to News Talks
it'd be from seven pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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