October 21, 2024 • 8 mins
One former White Ferns captain has expressed pride over the team's T20 World Cup triumph.
After a few disappointing performances, the White Ferns turned their luck around and walked away from the World Cup victorious - for the first time in 24 years.
Emily Drumm joined Piney to discuss the team's 'incredible' achievement.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Duncie Wildergrave
from News Talk ZB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
The only other New Zealand captain to lift a women's
ICC trophy was Emily Drumm, who led New Zealand to
victory at the two thousand World Cup on home soil. Emily,
thanks for joining us when we're looking for explanations as
to how a team with no lead inform whatsoever has
gone on to win the World Cup? Where should we
(00:33):
start when we're trying to find an explanation for that?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Wow, that's a really good question, and you haven't really
come to the right place for lots of answers either,
because they didn't know, We didn't know. I mean, isn't
that just the beauty of sport, the fact that all
predictions and expectations that to throw well and pretty out
the window, and somehow, somehow this team has got up
(00:59):
in the most unlikeliest of circumstances to win the biggest
prize of all. And it's just an incredible story and
one that I really hope doesn't get overlooked with so
much other sport going on and so much success going on.
But this truly is an incredible achievement by this bunch
of players and the management of the team as well.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Were we right or wrong to doubt their credentials before
the tournament? Not at all.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I mean form is important, especially leading up to a tournament.
We all know that. However, there had been a shift. Look,
it's unfortunate when you play Australian in any sport leading
up to a tournament, but often they are sick in
most sports, and especially Crackett being so strong, they're a
good sight to see where you're at. And I noticed
(01:49):
in those three t twenties we've got soundly beaten in
the UK in the winter, and that was a bit
of a down. I thought, gosh, our chances are really remote.
But we played against Australia probably two to three weeks
before this tournament, and I saw signs of the side
showing some really good character. Even though we lost, we
were playing a better brand of crack and I thought, gosh,
(02:11):
we peace together a couple of good innings, a couple
of good games, we could be within a shout of
getting to the Semis. And then you come up against
the really good, strong teams with depth and loads of
money that to prepared ridiculously well for a tournament. So
I saw the signs were there, but I did not
expect us to win that first game against India, but
(02:33):
that was almost a catalyst for this tournament. And then
to beat sides in an environment that we're not that
familiar with in Dubai, which really should suit the subcontinent side.
We had to beat Pakistan and Shri Lunka, who had
lost to in the last twelve months as well, just
to make the semi finals. So the story is really remarkable,
(02:54):
it really is, and it's important that we share how
difficult this one really was and the fact that it
came from nowhere is even sweeter.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
In tournament cricket Emily, and you'll be able to spit
to what happened in two thousand here as well. How
important is momentum When you've got games every few days,
you're winning, your winning, your winning, How important is that momentum.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
It's huge because it means there's confidence in the side
and when you're losing, and that habit is a losing habit,
and that confidence as low as can be. I think
what really helped us this time around was the gap
between the semi and the final was so short, the
players didn't have time to dwell. They were pretty much
on a roll. They were ready, and their confidence was
(03:36):
as high as it's ever been. Over the last twenty
four to thirty six months, gosh, there's been some tough
defeats and some tough moments with the size probably looking
at each other going what are we doing? But finally
they've found a way to perform on the big stage,
and not just the big guns either. Yes, they're important
to any side. You've got to have your superstars performing.
(03:57):
But we had lots of players that we're back. We've
seam score not many runs or not do a lot
with the ball, come good. We missed players like Rosemary
Mayor during the winter and she was out with injury
of that turn. She was awesome last season. So having
your best players available and we've got pretty slim pickings,
(04:19):
I think that was a huge factor. And then that
conference just they just enjoyed being in the environment and
when you win, god, it feels good.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
You could tell that. You could absolutely tell that of
the eleven who played in the final, six of them
are twenty five years old or younger. Meli Kerr as
he goes Georgia Plumber, Eden Carson fran Jonas and Rosemary Mayor.
Could that be the core of a team that takes
the White Ferns forward with greater consistency and success.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, I hope. So we still rely heavily on Susie
and Susie and Sophie Show to score the bulk of
our runs, but we shouldn't be afraid of bringing you players,
and the Georgia Plumbers of the world are so important.
We need players like her to learn how to score
fifteen hundreds in the longer format because we can't keep
relying on the older players to do it. And there
(05:10):
will be avoid when those singing players move on. So
the confidence that this win will give the group will
be enormous. And most of our batters are north of thirty,
and we've got to start blooding them in earlier and
trying to blood into Georgia Plumouth, for example, at international level,
that was hard work. We've seen four or five years
(05:31):
of pain with a teeny bit of success and all
of a sudden founder confidence in the last six weeks
and we've seen a different player. And when you become successful,
it rubs off on the senior players even more so,
very infectious when you've got things going your way, and
certainly when it's gone the other way, the opposite way,
it can be devastating. So those six players, yes, we
(05:55):
want to build a team around them, but we've got
to eke out as much as we can of these
older players so that the migration is not so great
and the golfer is not too big for the new.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Is coming in very good point in a thirty two run,
when that's a bit more comfortable than your nail biter
in two thousand and four run, wern Emily, did today
bring back some memories of that fine Lincoln nearly twenty
four years ago for you?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Well, consider I'm quite old and remembering all those moments.
I look, you know what, when I jumped in the
shower this morning, I was just like, oh my god,
we've finally broken the duck. Please don't let it be
another twenty five years before we get to see the
celebrations and the enjoyment and the reward that these players
(06:41):
have so desperately wanted and us as fans, and I haven't. Actually,
it's a really good question, because I actually didn't think
about it, and we have our own World Cup group
chat and the delight and the sharing of information from
those players, and you know that there's tears of joys
and we're seeing photos of champagne and things like that.
So it means just as much. It's like a coach
(07:03):
when you've been a player. You get so much reward
when you see others do it and share the sheer
feeling of being a World Cup winner. You just can't
put it unto wards that much. And we've had our
time and that was great and fantastic that these players,
because cricket never gives you what you think you deserve.
These players have experienced that the highest of highs that
(07:26):
they will ever.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Experience today indeed they have. Emily, thanks so much for
joining us. Great to get your insight and your memories
as well. Emily Drum captain of the White Ferns team
they even called the White Fans back then. I don't
know in the year two thousand who won the fifty
over World Cup, which was all there was then on
home soil by four runs against Australia in the final.
Great to hear her thoughts on this team that has
(07:49):
emulated them in terms of being an ICC World Cup
winner nearly quarter of a century later. It's been a while,
hasn't it. It's been a minute, as they say.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
For more from sports talk, listen lived to news Talks
they'd be from seven pm weekday, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Duncie Wildergrave
from News Talk ZB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
The only other New Zealand captain to lift a women's
ICC trophy was Emily Drumm, who led New Zealand to
victory at the two thousand World Cup on home soil. Emily,
thanks for joining us when we're looking for explanations as
to how a team with no lead inform whatsoever has
gone on to win the World Cup? Where should we
(00:33):
start when we're trying to find an explanation for that?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Wow, that's a really good question, and you haven't really
come to the right place for lots of answers either,
because they didn't know, We didn't know. I mean, isn't
that just the beauty of sport, the fact that all
predictions and expectations that to throw well and pretty out
the window, and somehow, somehow this team has got up
(00:59):
in the most unlikeliest of circumstances to win the biggest
prize of all. And it's just an incredible story and
one that I really hope doesn't get overlooked with so
much other sport going on and so much success going on.
But this truly is an incredible achievement by this bunch
of players and the management of the team as well.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Were we right or wrong to doubt their credentials before
the tournament? Not at all.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I mean form is important, especially leading up to a tournament.
We all know that. However, there had been a shift. Look,
it's unfortunate when you play Australian in any sport leading
up to a tournament, but often they are sick in
most sports, and especially Crackett being so strong, they're a
good sight to see where you're at. And I noticed
(01:49):
in those three t twenties we've got soundly beaten in
the UK in the winter, and that was a bit
of a down. I thought, gosh, our chances are really remote.
But we played against Australia probably two to three weeks
before this tournament, and I saw signs of the side
showing some really good character. Even though we lost, we
were playing a better brand of crack and I thought, gosh,
(02:11):
we peace together a couple of good innings, a couple
of good games, we could be within a shout of
getting to the Semis. And then you come up against
the really good, strong teams with depth and loads of
money that to prepared ridiculously well for a tournament. So
I saw the signs were there, but I did not
expect us to win that first game against India, but
(02:33):
that was almost a catalyst for this tournament. And then
to beat sides in an environment that we're not that
familiar with in Dubai, which really should suit the subcontinent side.
We had to beat Pakistan and Shri Lunka, who had
lost to in the last twelve months as well, just
to make the semi finals. So the story is really remarkable,
(02:54):
it really is, and it's important that we share how
difficult this one really was and the fact that it
came from nowhere is even sweeter.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
In tournament cricket Emily, and you'll be able to spit
to what happened in two thousand here as well. How
important is momentum When you've got games every few days,
you're winning, your winning, your winning, How important is that momentum.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
It's huge because it means there's confidence in the side
and when you're losing, and that habit is a losing habit,
and that confidence as low as can be. I think
what really helped us this time around was the gap
between the semi and the final was so short, the
players didn't have time to dwell. They were pretty much
on a roll. They were ready, and their confidence was
(03:36):
as high as it's ever been. Over the last twenty
four to thirty six months, gosh, there's been some tough
defeats and some tough moments with the size probably looking
at each other going what are we doing? But finally
they've found a way to perform on the big stage,
and not just the big guns either. Yes, they're important
to any side. You've got to have your superstars performing.
(03:57):
But we had lots of players that we're back. We've
seam score not many runs or not do a lot
with the ball, come good. We missed players like Rosemary
Mayor during the winter and she was out with injury
of that turn. She was awesome last season. So having
your best players available and we've got pretty slim pickings,
(04:19):
I think that was a huge factor. And then that
conference just they just enjoyed being in the environment and
when you win, god, it feels good.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
You could tell that. You could absolutely tell that of
the eleven who played in the final, six of them
are twenty five years old or younger. Meli Kerr as
he goes Georgia Plumber, Eden Carson fran Jonas and Rosemary Mayor.
Could that be the core of a team that takes
the White Ferns forward with greater consistency and success.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, I hope. So we still rely heavily on Susie
and Susie and Sophie Show to score the bulk of
our runs, but we shouldn't be afraid of bringing you players,
and the Georgia Plumbers of the world are so important.
We need players like her to learn how to score
fifteen hundreds in the longer format because we can't keep
relying on the older players to do it. And there
(05:10):
will be avoid when those singing players move on. So
the confidence that this win will give the group will
be enormous. And most of our batters are north of thirty,
and we've got to start blooding them in earlier and
trying to blood into Georgia Plumouth, for example, at international level,
that was hard work. We've seen four or five years
(05:31):
of pain with a teeny bit of success and all
of a sudden founder confidence in the last six weeks
and we've seen a different player. And when you become successful,
it rubs off on the senior players even more so,
very infectious when you've got things going your way, and
certainly when it's gone the other way, the opposite way,
it can be devastating. So those six players, yes, we
(05:55):
want to build a team around them, but we've got
to eke out as much as we can of these
older players so that the migration is not so great
and the golfer is not too big for the new.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Is coming in very good point in a thirty two run,
when that's a bit more comfortable than your nail biter
in two thousand and four run, wern Emily, did today
bring back some memories of that fine Lincoln nearly twenty
four years ago for you?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Well, consider I'm quite old and remembering all those moments.
I look, you know what, when I jumped in the
shower this morning, I was just like, oh my god,
we've finally broken the duck. Please don't let it be
another twenty five years before we get to see the
celebrations and the enjoyment and the reward that these players
(06:41):
have so desperately wanted and us as fans, and I haven't. Actually,
it's a really good question, because I actually didn't think
about it, and we have our own World Cup group
chat and the delight and the sharing of information from
those players, and you know that there's tears of joys
and we're seeing photos of champagne and things like that.
So it means just as much. It's like a coach
(07:03):
when you've been a player. You get so much reward
when you see others do it and share the sheer
feeling of being a World Cup winner. You just can't
put it unto wards that much. And we've had our
time and that was great and fantastic that these players,
because cricket never gives you what you think you deserve.
These players have experienced that the highest of highs that
(07:26):
they will ever.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Experience today indeed they have. Emily, thanks so much for
joining us. Great to get your insight and your memories
as well. Emily Drum captain of the White Ferns team
they even called the White Fans back then. I don't
know in the year two thousand who won the fifty
over World Cup, which was all there was then on
home soil by four runs against Australia in the final.
Great to hear her thoughts on this team that has
(07:49):
emulated them in terms of being an ICC World Cup
winner nearly quarter of a century later. It's been a while,
hasn't it. It's been a minute, as they say.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
For more from sports talk, listen lived to news Talks
they'd be from seven pm weekday, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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