June 19, 2024 • 43 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returns to recap an exciting week in the world of sports! Highlights for tonight include:
NZ Cricket Players Association CEO Heath Mills on Kane Williamson turning down a central contract.
Talkback - Is T20 slowly eating the rest of cricket?
Boxer David Nyika on signing with Duco and his next fight.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's Wednesday evening. It's six minutes after seven, the nineteenth
of June twenty twenty four. This is Sports Talk, one
hour devoted to the most significant insignificance of humankind. Sport
far too important to take seriously. As we all know.
My name's Darcy Waldgrave. Through until eight o clock will
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cover off a bit of boxing. And I know I'm
a liar. I am a liar, and I'm okay with
that because we're all fallible and if we pretend we're not,
we're also lying. I did say last night that was
it no more Cricket England line. But I didn't know
that Cain Williamson was going to walk from New Zealand cricket.
I played T twenty. How was I supposed to know that?
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I haven't got a crystal ball. Yeah, anyway, Heathmells is
going to join U shortly to talk about that he
is the boss of in his Zellen Cricket Players Association,
about the decision of Cain to go. Yeah, I'll play
a wee bit for you, Blake's but I think I'm
going to go and make some money in at T
twenty cricket, which I think we all understand. I think
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we all get. I don't think anyone's particularly upset about it,
but a wider subject around global cricket being destroyed by money.
I heard that before. Have you woh money coming and
wrecking everything for everybody? Certainly not that the T twenty
is destroying what we know and love about cricket. And
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we've known this for a long time. It's insidious. It's
been creeping and crawling along and suddenly you turn around
the world's being dominated by it and quite frankly ruined.
We're going to take your calls on that after we
hear from mister Heath Mills, which is shortly beyond that.
David Niecks signed up with David Higgins Duco Events, the
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events company that have helped David Niker out and have
also propelled Joe Parker to that WBO title all those
years ago. So great signing from David Nikki joins us
later on the piece to talk about his master Plant Stan,
where he's going to go with the help of Douco
and a bit of money from explosive Joseph Terassic Parker
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as well, some skin in the game, as they say,
that's what we're up to. The lines are open on
our eight hundred and eighty to ten eighty. You can
always text in a cost your standard text charge that
there's nineteen ninety two ZB. Let's do what we normally do. Though, way,
how about a bit of this sport today and in
sport today as covered as at the end of the line.
For Cain Williamson as essentially contracted player, maybe not seasons
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at cricket CEO Scott Winning.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Cain has actually committed to playing for New Zealand as
often and for as long as possible, and so it
might be that even in next year he might actually
take a central contract again.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
So I can't call him abandon the ship anymore because
that's grossly unfair. So I shan't sorry about that. I
get it though he stepped away to pursue Richards. Why
wouldn't you, the guy said in a fantastic career. Probably
deserves it. It's still going to crush the game. Not
but T twenty early enough already Cruise Awight Boxing David
Nikker has signed up with Duco Events as he continued
to climb toward a world strap. Not bad for a
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bullied little guy.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Boxing was the only thing that probably kept me from
being bullied, you know, because I was I was a
really really small.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Kid at high school.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
It's pretty cool to know that I've got New Zealand
behind me, but I owe it to them as well
to be the best version of myself and keep inspiring.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
More from the skinny kid later. K E tennis player's
globe trotting has secured him in New Zealand's number one ranking.
KP Panter was also poised to re enter the atpiece
to five hundred ahead of aj Rye and a Reuben Stateum.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
Just trying to play more offensive and felt like I
really have been playing good.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
So yeah, no, I'm really happy that I kind.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Of have that validation and just really proves that I'm
doing the right things.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And the Euros Fortuncore has come back to the dead
to beat the Czech Republic. Substitute Francisco Concesa scored an
extra time with his first touch of the game. TV
and Z plus was there.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Off the good.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Chatting to the headlines, what kid of a football and
here's what it's got a different sound about football crowds,
haven't they can he do any other crowd. There's something
quite intense and fanatical about the noise that they make
and it is brilliant. And that's Sport Today coming up
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eleven minutes after seven on Sports till it was announced
today that Kane Williamson is going to walk away from
his central contract. Yet he'll still be playing some Test
cricket and some international cricket the one day platform for
New Zealand. He's off to seek the riches of the
T twenty. Quite understandable to talk about that and the
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effect that T twenty is having on the game globally
and has done for quite some time and will continue
to do. And tell somebody in a position about actually
pull's finger and does something. We go to the boss
of the New Zealand at Cricket Players Association, Heath Mills.
He joins us, now, Heath, welcome to the show. She's
been a big day.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
Good Yeah, I guess there's always always a bit of
interest when the player like came makes a move like
he's done today.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I guess, yeah, so it's a big move. He's decided
not to pick up a central contract anymore. He still
will be available. The captaincy is no longer his and
he's going to carry on his career basically cruising around
the world playing T twenty make himself a bit of coin.
It makes sense for a person like him. How long
has this been in the pipeline for Heath?
Speaker 6 (06:12):
Look, I think we've seen this for a few years now.
Now where got the growth of the twenty franchise leagues
around the world, commercial partners, broadcast as fans. They're really
engaging those leagues and they're becoming more and more attractive
to our players, and our players are in demand. So now,
obviously last year we had Trent and Jimmy Nisham who
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opted to take casual playing agreements with New Zealand Crickets
so they could be away in January February, essentially the
height of our summer playing and T twenty franchise competitions.
And Kaine has made the call to do that this year.
So it's not shouldn't be surprised to anyone, And I
think we're going to see a few more, maybe not
this year, maybe one or two more this year, but
certainly in the years ahead where where our guys are
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just so attractive to these competitions and they're growing in
value of the competition, so unfortunately they're often played at
the height of our summer, so they're going to make
the choice to go and.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Participate in these leagues.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
And I guess Darcy, from out my point of view,
I think we've got a really good contract system here
in New Zealand and a good partnership.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
With New Zealand Cracket and we have flexibility in our system.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
So although Kane is not going to be on an
international plane agreement, he essentially is still going to be
playing for New Zealand for most of the year. It's
just that he won't be here in January. In February
he'll be off playing for someone else. But I know
talking to Kane he's very very committed to his Test
career and wants to keep playing Test cricket for the
next two or three years in major ICC events, etc.
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So I don't think it's the end of the world.
It's actually probably quite a good outcome for him and
New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Credit. Basically, New Zealand Cricket have to acquiesce to the
wants of these leagues because there's just simply so much
money and it there's no point in fighting against that.
They've got to work with it. And I suppose that's
a broader picture around windows for these major competitions and
the relationship between standard bilateral areas and Test one day
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internationals and the T twenty leagues. This is still a
very fine balance. How far down the track are we
to determining something slightly more concrete.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Heath Well, I think you're heading on what the actual
problem is here. You know, players like Trenton Kine and
whoever else to type deciding not to take international national contracts,
or this situation we had last year where the South
African sent out their effective BC Test side to play
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because their best side was stayed and the best players
were staying in South Africa playing in their T twenty competition.
They are all symptoms of the bigger problem we have,
which is a schedule that is not centrally driven and
makes no sense. So, you know, as long as we've
got each of the national boards effectively designing their own
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schedule and when their own competitve T twenty competitions will be played,
and no one working together to create an annual program
that work, we're going to have these sorts of decisions
being made by both national boards to send effective B
teams to play international cricket, or players opting out of
full time international cricket contracts. And I think that's sad
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because it could could easily be solved if they were
to come together and to have an annual program that
prioritized international cricket for periods during the year, but also
created windows for T twenty franchise competitions. And that could
be done if they all were to compromise a bit
and perhaps not get the T twenty complayed at the
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perfect time for them, or International Ashes Series or whatever
it might be played at the perfect time.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
If they all compromised, we.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Could have a schedule where we got the best of
both worlds, where players could participate in franchise competitions but
they are restricted to certain times during the year, and
they then ensured that for the rest of the year
the best players were playing international cricket. Sadly, i've seen
no evidence in twenty plus years of the boards coming.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Together to agree a program like that.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
I have no confidence they will in the short to
medium too, So I think what we're going to see
is more of this where where Over time, cricket moves
to more of a franchise level sport, with the best
players coming together at peak times, whether for ICC events
or hopefully Test cricket maybe other important series to play
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international cricket. Is that the perfect outcome? I don't think so,
but I suspect that's where we're heading.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
But you said twenty years and it's a long time
to bash your head against the wall. Where's the responsibility?
Who does it lie with that? Do have any teeth?
Is it all about the BCCI? Who actually do you
think has got the whip hand and maybe could drag
this conversation forward to a solution that suits everybody.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
Heath Look, I think it's a good question. The ICC
essentially is an events management company. That's what their management
staff will tell you. That they are here to put
on one ICC event a year and that there are
members organization. So if you go to their board, then
it's actually got fourteen fifteen people sitting around the board
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table and they are representatives of the Test playing countries
and Szell and crickets one. And it's a federated model,
much like we send some other sports close to home,
where the person going to the board table X and
the best interests of their own organization rather than what's
in the best interest of the sport as a whole.
So I think that governance structure is very limited in
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terms of been able.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
To provide a solution.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
Sadly that they could if obviously that India and the
BCCI are the biggest board and they should probably get
more of a say on some things. Eighty percent of
the revenue and world cricket comes out of India, so
they should be having a significant say. But the other
boards could collectively work together and work with it. There
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they say, actually, we need to create these windows, we
need to create a program that works, and this is
what it needs to look like, and we all have
all got a compromise a bit. India also obviously needs
all the other international boards to tour India to generate
all the money that it does.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
So there would be a way through.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
This if everyone came together collectively and made the decision
decisions and the best interests of cricket. But sadly they
just don't do that, and they all get picked off
and act individually. And I understand that we've experienced it
for twenty years, So I think whilst that remains to
be the case, then you're going to have third parties,
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some of which are boards. Remember some of the cricket
boards own T twenty competitions and are trying to grow them,
and they're prioritizing those T twenty competitions above international cricket.
Those boards and private interests are looking at cricket and going, well,
we can we can develop a better competition model here
in a better structure. And I think the for my
final point would be to say, you know, ICC events
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are really valuable because there's a start point, there's an endpoint,
go you typically go for five weeks. It's very tribal
because there's national teams playing. Typically the best athletes in
the world are playing in those ICC events, best cricketers,
so the broadcasters love them, the fans engage in them.
The same can be said for some of the big
T twenty franchise competitions, where there's a start point, there's
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an endpoint. It's a very fair competition. Everyone plays each
other the same amount of times, and often are the
best players are playing in the big T twenty leagues,
So fans are engaged, and broadcasters and commercial partners like them.
International bilateral cricket has no context and meaning. Most of
the time. There are five games here in T twenty
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three games there in ODI cricket, no one really understands
what they're building towards. They just sit in series and
matches in isolation of each other. And now often not
the best players are playing. So broadcasters, in commercial partners
and fans are saying, actually, I'm not so much interested
in this anymore, and we play too much of it.
So that's I think what's driving that what cricket will
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look like.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
In the future.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Fans and commercial partners will go with his context and
meaning and they know the best players are playing. And
whilst we're playing international cricket twelve months of the year,
no one sort of understands how it all relates to
each other. There's an individual series all over the show.
Then I think the fans are going to turn more
onto ICC events in the T twenty leagues.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
As a result, you no need.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
For the DMO. We've got the breakdown on Sports Talk.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
News Talk, and I thought it was mate. Rob Mickel
had a tough job with the Rugby Players Association, that
is Heath Mills. He is the boss of the New
Zealand Cricket Players Association talking about T twenty and the
way it is crawling through global cricket, and it's almost
like it's avy, isn't It's a creeper and it's going
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to strangle out and kill off international cricket, which in
itself was going to destroy T twenty cricket because no
one will have fans or no fans, sorry, I'll have
stars to look toward because it is playing friend chise
cricket and based plaining like anything there was in this
world was They're all about money in this capitalist system
on greed world cricket would eat its own head given
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half a chance, which is an impossibility, but I'd suggest
it'd try if it could. At the very end of
that Heath Mills, and I really feel for the guy.
There was a comment in that conversation around the ICC
and that the people on the board of the ruling
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class are so busy attempting to do the best for
themselves they're neglecting the state of the global game, cutting
off the nose's pite their face, right. Does it remind
you of what's happening in New Zealand rugby and what
the players Association tried to overturn what their big review
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tried to overturn. Did it work. No, Everyone's only interested
in how it affixed them directly. They're not interested in
the bigger ecosyste They're not interested in cricket as a whole,
which is awfully sad, and I get the feeling that
this is never going to change. What he said at
the end of that though, is what fans want, invariably
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is going to control where cricket goes globally. We're very important.
Without our eyeballs, without our engagement, without our money, without
our social posting, without us turning up to games, without
the fans, there's no one to sell it to. So
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you'd suggest that way, that's why the BCCI is so powerful,
because they've got over a billion people that they can
project to, and a lot of them a cricket fans.
So they may well end up running the game, with
the ICC being this skeleton movement on the outside that
merely looks after the odd tournament from time to time.
It's defeatist. I think. So you're a fan ce T
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twenties global leagues, you probably only buy into a few
of them. You probably don't really understand what's going on
with bilateral series and global where's your interest at? I
would like cricket fans to let me know, in a
perfect world, where would you go? What does it for you?
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And you've got your perfect world, what about your scary
old world that you predictors coming? Is World cricket going
to become a T twenty circus? Yes, yes it is.
Tests will die unless you're England, India or Australia one day.
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Inter nationals, I've lost all their furs. They'll turn up
once every four years for a World Cup and will
all be about T twenty? Do we resist this? Is
there any point in resisting this? Or is this a
case of it's going to happen so less just sit
back and enjoy it while it's there. I'll struggle with
that because I'm a traditionalist, but I'm old. It's about
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the youth and what they want and where they're going.
That is the future. Fans, young, old, middle aged, whatever
you are, what does of you? What do you actually want?
What do you want to see? If twenty four plus
seven lines are open on eight hundred eighty ten eighty
free foe nationwide, you can text in nineteen ninety two.
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That is z B z B and I'm not here
to bag on Cam Williamson for doing what he wants
to do and good on and he's earned it. I
suppose the supplemental question to this is, where's your line?
What does in New Zealand cricket have to achieve before
they are given dispensation by New Zealand cricket to run
away and play clown pajama cricket? Was it a pile
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of runs, pile of wickets, amount of Test matches? I
don't know yours? Please coming up next here on new
Stool Zedber.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Forget the riffs, call you make a call on eight
hundred eighty ten eighty Sports Talk on your home of
sport US Talks Balk.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Twenty eight out to seven Sports Look on News Talk
ZB and a Wednesday, isn't then, oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on t T twenty is the death of cricket?
Isn't it? Slowly but surely it's been creeping along and
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slowly tying cricket down? And could you say that possibly
within ten years we will no longer have Test cricket.
It'll be a freak show that turns up from time
to time that people scratch their head and look at
and go, my, my, how old school? When it is
it's ove one hundred years old, right, it's T twenty
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the death of regular cricket, and it's that okay, Now,
I'd struggle with this one. I love your thoughts on
this O one hundred and eighty teen eighty. I played cricket.
I was terrible, and anyone who played against me will
know exactly what I'm talking about. I played poorly. I
thought I played well, and I was always in a
state of rage because I was so incredibly bad. But
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I grew up watching test cricket. One day's National cricket
raised its head when I was five or six. Interesting.
It breathed fresh life into the game, which we thought
what T twenty was going to do as well, And
it did, but it went too far. And I said
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here complaining about this, but deep inside of myself, the
only constant is changed. We know this. You can't stand
still with anything. You'll be eaten alive. And like everything
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in life, everything we do, our work, habits, where we live,
how we treat people, at advances. We're always advancing. That's
why we no longer live in caves. So as much
as I find T twenty Cricket palatable for a couple
of minutes and maybe a handful of crafty beers, I'd
long for the longer version of the game. I'd long
for the big meal, the dig or station menu with
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ten courses and matching wines, as opposed to a quick
cheeseburger and fries, which is ultimately unsatisfying. But if the
game is going in that direction and that's what the
youth want and that's where the eyeballs are, who am
I to complain about that? Because that is advancing. Some
people like myself may think it's going backwards, but it's
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advancing the course because this is what the new X
generation want. This is what people want to watch. So
if that's inevitability, which I think it is, I'd like
your thoughts on this. One hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Do we just acquiesce to the whole lot and go fine,
give up, don't worry about the arguing characters in the
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ICC and what they can't achieve for their own backyard.
Just accept the fact that Cricket now is a short
version game, and we'll bring up our young cricketers to
play that short version of the game and that's where
they can make money and lay it open to the
t twenty leagues and say this is cricket from now
on and bid farewell to the glory days of men
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standing around and white and doing nothing for days on
end and calling it sport Again. I don't like it,
but to me it's it's progress. Isn't that how it rolls?
Running some text now nineteen ninety two, that's z B
z B. Are you talking about up to New Zealander?
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Who is the ic C chair? You're talking about Greg Barkley,
not not specifically, but when you listen to Heath Mills,
he's been dealing this for a long time, saying that
the ICC really just organized a few tournaments and they're
all up there arguing for what's best for their organization.
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I don't think Greg's gonna be able to do a
great deal around that, is he Darcie? Even notice how
much Rob Nickel and Heath Mills simply sound like each other.
It's weird. They are alike the a clones. Samuel Well
came to the same place, didn't they. They do sound
very similar. The boss of and he said, criticalized association
in Rugby Players Association. Ah, and Ray's talking about fighting
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and we'll talk about that later on because David Nieker
is going to join the program and Darcie, would you
be related to Charles Waller Grave you used to run
all some discos for young roosters back in the seventies. Yeah, yes,
I'm not quite sure how. What I do know is
that my great great great grandfather was JJ. Then it
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went down to Henry, and then it went to Morris,
and then Morris spawn Deck or Richard, and then from
Richard came my dad, Michael, and then I'm here. So
I think at six generations, I'm presuming somewhere along the
line there was a Charles that popped out somewhere. I
think all the water Graves are part of the same bunch.
And I apologize when you Watergrave listened to me. I'm
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sorry about that. Twenty seven minutes to eight tomorrow in
the program, even though I promises are quite hollow. As
you found out, Dalton Puppel he's going to join the show.
We're going to talk Super Rugby Finals time. We'll do
that on Thursday, we'll do it on Friday, as well,
I'm just fascinated by this slow burn, this destruction of
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world cricket, and we got the backdrop of a T
twenty World Cup that we're not involved in that no
one seems to want to watch. Go figure us this
his news talks in.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Listen to please, gotten me down on my lives.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Catch up with David Miki surely signed up with gCO Events,
carry on his rise and rise in the professional boxing ranks,
currently nine and oh looking to go further, start fighting
back here in New Zealand, for his friends, for his family,
his fans over here. What's good to hear? It's going
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off to Facebook through the concept up that T twenty
is actually tearing the game apart and more people thought
of that. Craig seems to think that the teachment of
World Cup should be in the same format as the
one to International World Cup. So what too many teams
over too long a distance. Craig thinks T twenty is
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killing international cricket. Now, if you're to limit that purely
to franchise cricket and not international cricket full stop, how
would that affect the game at the top level? So
many people playing franchise cricket they'd forget what they're doing
when it comes to playing long form cricket, Timmy, this
seems to think what other sport there's the same international
calendars cricket. There needs to be a reduction in the
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amount of international cricket to eight weeks. It's global, Timothy,
it's global. It goes all over the world. Summer's constant.
There's always summer somewhere, right, these guys are chasing the coin,
says Gareth. I don't blame them, to be honest at me,
that do I And Brandon thinks the World Cup there
has not been a great evisiment for the game, so
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hopefully they will learn from that. Too many matches one sided,
over too early. What's only over too early? Up for us,
Brendan because we played so terribly. Donny is climbing on
board with like it earn the money they are for
the amount of cricket they're playing. I'll be all over
and anyone says that they wouldn't are kidding themselves. And
I think they're right. And it's not T twenty that's
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killing it. It's greed, says Jason. Did I get that.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Now?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I understand why players want to go and play less
cricket for more money. Why wouldn't you. Where's the limit
on this? If you buy into my concept and just
open the doors and go forget about it's all about
T twenty cricket now and see what happens. As opposed
to slowly trying to resist the inevitable. Maybe you get
to the front of the que If you do that,
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you've got players like Okay william Cent Trent Bolt going
off and doing that, and Trent Bolt still fantass to play.
We saw that in the T twenty World Cup, all
be it against some pretty rubbish teams, but you still
play well, came Williamson. Same thing.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Like? He looks like he's going the same way getting
along in his career and he wants to go and
do the same thing. Where's your limit? Where do you
cap it? For players? What do they have to achieve
in order for them like the ghetto law with rugby
for Australian rugby, in order for these players to walk
away and go and line their pockets. Because if you don't,
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I suppose, if you don't have an international game and
you don't have a series of steps moving up to
one day international representation, test representation. You don't have the
star power to attract people to T twenty. Are you
going to get the same buying from the fans if
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these players solely play T twenty? Not entirely, sure, you
might know twenty minutes to eight, Sonny, How are you
doing good?
Speaker 8 (29:08):
Hate anyway?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (29:09):
Not so that.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 8 (29:13):
Just just about the cricket. Yeah, I hope Test cricket hasn't,
hasn't won't go away in ten ten years. I'm so
a young one compared to you, I guess so. Test
cricket's still my favorite format. But I think these Island's
approaching it kind of wrong. They need to, I think,
look for a way to open the domestic twenty league
and either franchise it or look for a way to
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help them join the BBL to get some money. And
I think that's the main factor of England because that
we have no money.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
So you think the Big Beast League is the way
to go?
Speaker 8 (29:44):
Yeah, I think. I think if you join and get
more money in and then hopefully that way we can
afford to have three or four or five Test Mats
series compared to the preppy two that we usually have anyway.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Well, I'm not entirely sure though with the population base
we've got Sonny in and thank you for calling anyway,
but that there would be enough to keep something like
that to float. And when you're looking at Australia cricket,
why would they come this way? Why wouldn't they move
to Singapore or to territories that are burgeoning cricket territories
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where there's a lot more eyeballs there for money.
Speaker 8 (30:20):
Oh, I guess it's like the or the A League
or Super Rugby. Essentially all of our kind of those
rugby codes old re transtasma. Why not make the cricket
T twenty cricket code transtasment essentially?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Has that worked though, Sonny, I think the.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
NRL's definitely has Super rugbies. I think lost its kind
of you know touch right now just because New Zealand
teams dominated so much. I think if you get some
money in and get you know, even if you get
a couple of the New Zealand super smash teams in
and get attract some players. And I think the other
thing is the production quality the coverage of cricket in
New Zealand. Yes, it's free to hear, but it's pretty
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pathetic coverage in terms of what TVNZ does nowadays to it.
They don't do it justice. I think a lot of
your Australia, Yes they're a bigger population, but a lot
of them tune in to Fox Sport just to watch
them muck around.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
They present their product to you in a more palatable manner.
What particularly about it, it's only that you actually like.
Is that the intelligence of the ability the commentary team
is the special effects, I suppose, the on screen graphics,
the amount of cameras they use.
Speaker 8 (31:31):
Yeah, I guess graphics. Cameras, I think you can match
that here. But it's more just I guess money forks
as well. But their lineup off commentators, the way they
present the game. It's not just boring analysis actually entertaining
and they have extricutives talking about their stories at the
end of the day. I mean, if you watch some
of their coverage on the straight test matches, you're pretty
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entertained for the whole day by a skull just laughing
out at the boat.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
So some people are entertained by skull. Other people want
to actually drag them out of the television screen and
submerse them in the water like device around that. I
think we're all interested in the concept of taking the
six teams that we have over here in New Zealand
for for super Smash and amalgamating them to maybe two
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teams and trying to join the big best league. Would
that give any more impetus orud that destroy the base
of New Zealand cricket making it more difficult because you
look what happens to the Warrior is right, all the
rugby league players, so many of them are playing over
in Australia now because we got a lot of really
good lead players. There's not enough room for them to
develop in here in New Zealand, so off they go
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to WAZZI would that be the same thing we start
losing cricketers over the ditch. I suppose it's the only
way they can make money.
Speaker 8 (32:45):
Why wouldn't they, Right, Yeah, it's the only way they
make money. But I guess it's just trying to entice
them to stay here and hopefully if they get bigger
when they playing domestically here, even that transcendent to the
New Zealand cricket can come up with some sort of
contracted way in terms of where you know, the Australian
Cricket board and boards still operate a separate and it is,
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but the two twenty League is just combined essentially.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And a sudding. I think there would be a lot
of people who be keen to watch that. If you've
got the best Australian cricket is the best you're selling.
Cricket is playing there, but there's no cash and for
not going to are the They're going to go to
one of these What have we got the IPL, You've
got the American League which has been bankroll bankrolled by
the IPL, and then you've got a couple of tournaments
in to buy. It's the South Africa one, yes, producer rants,
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but I don't think it's going to be quite as big.
But you look at the ones like the ones that
are going to be held in and do buy it
up in that part of the world where there is
truckloads of money, that's where people are going to gravitate
toward and they'll end up being the dominant legs and
that may lay waste to cricket at the highest level,
which would be a pity. Things change though we can't
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stay as it was forever forever. It doesn't work like that.
A couple of quick texts for you. Too many World
Cups every two years, It's ridiculous, think you've incident. I've
got you, hi, Darcy. The future of sporters gaming on
the internet. A huge amount of money can be earned
with our injuries, and you can take a breakre and
go for a workout at the locals. That's the way
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people are going. Not me, can't buy into that. Maybe
it's my age. Apparently Father Charles Watergrave taught ray and
has mates the rudiments of boxing. Apparently he still has
a pugnacious Catholic battlean no figure like Charles. If you listening,
joy related and Darcy. I think tescrig it's power amount,
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but fifty other games drew such a lot of support
years ago. Really enjoyed T twenty though, But that's really
enjoyed it. But T twenty leaves me cold somewhere. Some
people are making a lot of coin promoting this. Kids
are adopting this. I say, no, what do you say?
Look no, I don't think you can resist it. I
think we're powerless to resist the change. It's how we
work in with that change and not get left behind
(35:04):
by it. That's the kick thirteen minutes to eight. Coming
up next, David Nika joins us. He punches grown men
in the face for a living, and I'll explain more
about that up next. You're on new stiks eb. We're
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join now on the show by David Nieka just signed
a big contract to hang out with Doco to project
his career into the stratosphere. That's the idea, isn't it, David.
This is the first step towards superstardom.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Huh yeah, Yeah, There's been a lot of small steps
in between. But I'm my hard work and my sacrifice
as it's finally looking upwards.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
You know, it's a huge opportunity to be fighting on
such a prestigious show because it will be a show,
This will be such a buzz all through New Zealand
and especially in Auckland City, so I'm expecting a really
really cool eye and it's just just nice to be
in front of, you know, the home crowd.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
Again.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
I haven't fought in New Zealand since my my pro
taboo on Joseph Parker's undercard against Junior Fast, So yeah,
huge opportunity for me and for for Auckland for New Zealand.
This is a globally televised on Designe on the September fourteenth,
So we've got we've got all eyeser on us for
as for as long as we want it. So I
really want to get out there, do well, come back,
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do it again because I think we can really grow this.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
So tell us what's happening on the fourteenth, what's the upshot?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
So we'll be announcing my opponent in the next week
or two. We actually don't have a name at the moment.
We had one and that fell over.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
It would have been awesome, but I think I think
the trainer didn't like the fight.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
So that's pretty pretty common common issue. When you've got
a record that looks like mine, I guess.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Well, your record's not entirely bad yet to be beaten.
You're sticking at nine and zero right now. You'd be
pretty proud of that. Does that mean a lot going
into these fights or is it all about the fight
coming out?
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't mean anything really. Like every
every fight, you've got to take sera and.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. Fighting in front of the
home crowd is a scary idea.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Because you know, you've got everything to everything to lose,
you know, and it's not something that I that I
like doing. I love to be an underdog, you know,
but this is this is an opportunity for me to
give my fans what they've been missing out on. You know,
I feel like I've really missed fighting in front of
you know, my friends, my family. You know, like only
my mom managed to come over to Saudi, you know,
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no one in the UK when I fought on Joe's
undergard over there.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
It's yeah, it's just gonna be nice to be around
good people again.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
You know, Well, what's the move? Like, are you going
to come across here? It's outside of Brisbane at the moment.
You're gonna set up camp over here. You're going to
go back and forth over the Tasman. What's your plan
over the next couple of years.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
David, I think I'll I think I'll stay here. I
think I'll stay here. Oh no, sorry, stay in in Gatton.
I've I've got a really good, really good setup, and
I've got my I've got all my systems in place,
and I know, like, like I know a lot of
people love having systems in place for you know, streamlining
your day, streamlining your training. I've got everything I need
and I've I've set myself up for success. So it's
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a it's a it's a really it's a really good
place to be, especially being away from the hustle and
bustle in a in a small agricultural rural town.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
So you know, I'm perfectly happy out there.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
David Nika joins this multi fight co promotional agreements just
someone with Duco Events of course, behind Joseph Parker among others.
You've got Null Thornbree in your corner. Tell us about
that relationship, David.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Yeah, I told you what I've learned so much from
Noel about the not just not just the boxing itself.
He's he's an amazing, amazing tactician and strategist.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
But the business side of things as well.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
I feel like I could, I could almost promote a
show today, you know, but we've developed a really, really,
really awesome relationship where we know.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
I guess, I guess when you first meet a new
coach and you you have like different lingo, you don't
quite understand what they're asking for.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Everything's falling into place, and I think my fight in
Saudi Arabia was a perfect example of a perfect showcasing
of what we what we've been working on and taking
out someone with a record like twelve and oh ten
knockouts that they're all good scalps.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
You know. I want to keep keep chopping away at
the division and end up on top.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah, you're talking about the German you beat up on
Michael sites over in Saudi Arabia. It was quite the
card to be on, wasn't it. You see yourself competing
more on events like the Ring of Fire.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
David Absolutely, Yeah, That's that's what every every boxer wants
to wants to aspire to. And I'm in a privileged
position where Duco aren't you know, hamstringing me and you know,
holding me, holding me captive.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
You know, we've fought on cards all over the world
in the last last.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Few years, so massive opportunity for me to continue that
run and with their support and guidance, Yeah, I'll be
looking at picking up my first world title and probably
the next eighteen to twenty four months.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
I'd say, So, why do coo?
Speaker 2 (39:57):
What attracted you to them? And how long have you
actually signed up for? Is it a set fight deal?
Is it amount of years. What's the skinny around that, David.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
I won't I won't go into fine print.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
What's probably important to mention is that so many of
the opportunities that I've had two date have been arranged
and organized and streamlined through Douco and my relationship with
with Joseph Parking, you know, going and training with Tyson
Fury for six months and fighting on undercards abroad, and
actually my my link with Noel Thornberry was actually produced
(40:31):
by or was created by Doco. So yeah, I have
a lot to oh to Douco and Dave Higgins because
I'd really like to bloody take this all the way
into the sunset.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
You know, You've also got a relationship as you've touched on.
But I believe explosive Joseph Jurassic park has got some
skin in the game now. He's actually peeled off some
notes to back you. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Yeah, And he's he's on top of the world right now.
He's he's a global superstar. I'm reading all the comments
of you know, people saying like, oh, like people are
different sanctioning bodies in.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Their rankings and how they rank the heavyweights, and they
on why is Joseph Parking not not number three? Why
is he not? He should be number two? It should
be just that he's he's on top of the world
right now, he's on fire.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
So to be backed by him and to know that
he's officially has a role to look after.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
Me as if actually really really reassuring.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
You know, you're looking at the cruiser White Crown. Is
that where you want to stop? You've got thoughts of
moving up a division. Are you're comfortable with where you're
sitting right now? David?
Speaker 4 (41:30):
I'll absolutely be moving up when the time's right, and
if the times I should say, like, I don't think
I'll stop developing until probably my mid thirties, if I'm honest.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
I think my dad was a bit similar.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
He started putting on a bit more size into his
thirties as late bloomers.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
You know.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
So I've definitely got my eyes on the on the
headway title, but it would be foolish to not to
not focus on, you know, the next step and what
what's what's next?
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A fit Michael, You're probably alone. I've had so many
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the pre in the murd in the aftermatch, which I
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Can they actually stretch it up to fifty k I
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It's Wednesday evening. It's six minutes after seven, the nineteenth
of June twenty twenty four. This is Sports Talk, one
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My name's Darcy Waldgrave. Through until eight o clock will
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cover off a bit of boxing. And I know I'm
a liar. I am a liar, and I'm okay with
that because we're all fallible and if we pretend we're not,
we're also lying. I did say last night that was
it no more Cricket England line. But I didn't know
that Cain Williamson was going to walk from New Zealand cricket.
I played T twenty. How was I supposed to know that?
(01:13):
I haven't got a crystal ball. Yeah, anyway, Heathmells is
going to join U shortly to talk about that he
is the boss of in his Zellen Cricket Players Association,
about the decision of Cain to go. Yeah, I'll play
a wee bit for you, Blake's but I think I'm
going to go and make some money in at T
twenty cricket, which I think we all understand. I think
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we all get. I don't think anyone's particularly upset about it,
but a wider subject around global cricket being destroyed by money.
I heard that before. Have you woh money coming and
wrecking everything for everybody? Certainly not that the T twenty
is destroying what we know and love about cricket. And
(01:54):
we've known this for a long time. It's insidious. It's
been creeping and crawling along and suddenly you turn around
the world's being dominated by it and quite frankly ruined.
We're going to take your calls on that after we
hear from mister Heath Mills, which is shortly beyond that.
David Niecks signed up with David Higgins Duco Events, the
(02:18):
events company that have helped David Niker out and have
also propelled Joe Parker to that WBO title all those
years ago. So great signing from David Nikki joins us
later on the piece to talk about his master Plant Stan,
where he's going to go with the help of Douco
and a bit of money from explosive Joseph Terassic Parker
(02:40):
as well, some skin in the game, as they say,
that's what we're up to. The lines are open on
our eight hundred and eighty to ten eighty. You can
always text in a cost your standard text charge that
there's nineteen ninety two ZB. Let's do what we normally do. Though, way,
how about a bit of this sport today and in
sport today as covered as at the end of the line.
For Cain Williamson as essentially contracted player, maybe not seasons
(03:03):
at cricket CEO Scott Winning.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Cain has actually committed to playing for New Zealand as
often and for as long as possible, and so it
might be that even in next year he might actually
take a central contract again.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
So I can't call him abandon the ship anymore because
that's grossly unfair. So I shan't sorry about that. I
get it though he stepped away to pursue Richards. Why
wouldn't you, the guy said in a fantastic career. Probably
deserves it. It's still going to crush the game. Not
but T twenty early enough already Cruise Awight Boxing David
Nikker has signed up with Duco Events as he continued
to climb toward a world strap. Not bad for a
(03:41):
bullied little guy.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Boxing was the only thing that probably kept me from
being bullied, you know, because I was I was a
really really small.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Kid at high school.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
It's pretty cool to know that I've got New Zealand
behind me, but I owe it to them as well
to be the best version of myself and keep inspiring.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
More from the skinny kid later. K E tennis player's
globe trotting has secured him in New Zealand's number one ranking.
KP Panter was also poised to re enter the atpiece
to five hundred ahead of aj Rye and a Reuben Stateum.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
Just trying to play more offensive and felt like I
really have been playing good.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
So yeah, no, I'm really happy that I kind.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Of have that validation and just really proves that I'm
doing the right things.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And the Euros Fortuncore has come back to the dead
to beat the Czech Republic. Substitute Francisco Concesa scored an
extra time with his first touch of the game. TV
and Z plus was there.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Off the good.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Chatting to the headlines, what kid of a football and
here's what it's got a different sound about football crowds,
haven't they can he do any other crowd. There's something
quite intense and fanatical about the noise that they make
and it is brilliant. And that's Sport Today coming up
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eleven minutes after seven on Sports till it was announced
today that Kane Williamson is going to walk away from
his central contract. Yet he'll still be playing some Test
cricket and some international cricket the one day platform for
New Zealand. He's off to seek the riches of the
T twenty. Quite understandable to talk about that and the
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effect that T twenty is having on the game globally
and has done for quite some time and will continue
to do. And tell somebody in a position about actually
pull's finger and does something. We go to the boss
of the New Zealand at Cricket Players Association, Heath Mills.
He joins us, now, Heath, welcome to the show. She's
been a big day.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
Good Yeah, I guess there's always always a bit of
interest when the player like came makes a move like
he's done today.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I guess, yeah, so it's a big move. He's decided
not to pick up a central contract anymore. He still
will be available. The captaincy is no longer his and
he's going to carry on his career basically cruising around
the world playing T twenty make himself a bit of coin.
It makes sense for a person like him. How long
has this been in the pipeline for Heath?
Speaker 6 (06:12):
Look, I think we've seen this for a few years now.
Now where got the growth of the twenty franchise leagues
around the world, commercial partners, broadcast as fans. They're really
engaging those leagues and they're becoming more and more attractive
to our players, and our players are in demand. So now,
obviously last year we had Trent and Jimmy Nisham who
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opted to take casual playing agreements with New Zealand Crickets
so they could be away in January February, essentially the
height of our summer playing and T twenty franchise competitions.
And Kaine has made the call to do that this year.
So it's not shouldn't be surprised to anyone, And I
think we're going to see a few more, maybe not
this year, maybe one or two more this year, but
certainly in the years ahead where where our guys are
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just so attractive to these competitions and they're growing in
value of the competition, so unfortunately they're often played at
the height of our summer, so they're going to make
the choice to go and.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Participate in these leagues.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
And I guess Darcy, from out my point of view,
I think we've got a really good contract system here
in New Zealand and a good partnership.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
With New Zealand Cracket and we have flexibility in our system.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
So although Kane is not going to be on an
international plane agreement, he essentially is still going to be
playing for New Zealand for most of the year. It's
just that he won't be here in January. In February
he'll be off playing for someone else. But I know
talking to Kane he's very very committed to his Test
career and wants to keep playing Test cricket for the
next two or three years in major ICC events, etc.
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So I don't think it's the end of the world.
It's actually probably quite a good outcome for him and
New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Credit. Basically, New Zealand Cricket have to acquiesce to the
wants of these leagues because there's just simply so much
money and it there's no point in fighting against that.
They've got to work with it. And I suppose that's
a broader picture around windows for these major competitions and
the relationship between standard bilateral areas and Test one day
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internationals and the T twenty leagues. This is still a
very fine balance. How far down the track are we
to determining something slightly more concrete.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Heath Well, I think you're heading on what the actual
problem is here. You know, players like Trenton Kine and
whoever else to type deciding not to take international national contracts,
or this situation we had last year where the South
African sent out their effective BC Test side to play
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because their best side was stayed and the best players
were staying in South Africa playing in their T twenty competition.
They are all symptoms of the bigger problem we have,
which is a schedule that is not centrally driven and
makes no sense. So, you know, as long as we've
got each of the national boards effectively designing their own
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schedule and when their own competitve T twenty competitions will be played,
and no one working together to create an annual program
that work, we're going to have these sorts of decisions
being made by both national boards to send effective B
teams to play international cricket, or players opting out of
full time international cricket contracts. And I think that's sad
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because it could could easily be solved if they were
to come together and to have an annual program that
prioritized international cricket for periods during the year, but also
created windows for T twenty franchise competitions. And that could
be done if they all were to compromise a bit
and perhaps not get the T twenty complayed at the
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perfect time for them, or International Ashes Series or whatever
it might be played at the perfect time.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
If they all compromised, we.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Could have a schedule where we got the best of
both worlds, where players could participate in franchise competitions but
they are restricted to certain times during the year, and
they then ensured that for the rest of the year
the best players were playing international cricket. Sadly, i've seen
no evidence in twenty plus years of the boards coming.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Together to agree a program like that.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
I have no confidence they will in the short to
medium too, So I think what we're going to see
is more of this where where Over time, cricket moves
to more of a franchise level sport, with the best
players coming together at peak times, whether for ICC events
or hopefully Test cricket maybe other important series to play
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international cricket. Is that the perfect outcome? I don't think so,
but I suspect that's where we're heading.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
But you said twenty years and it's a long time
to bash your head against the wall. Where's the responsibility?
Who does it lie with that? Do have any teeth?
Is it all about the BCCI? Who actually do you
think has got the whip hand and maybe could drag
this conversation forward to a solution that suits everybody.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
Heath Look, I think it's a good question. The ICC
essentially is an events management company. That's what their management
staff will tell you. That they are here to put
on one ICC event a year and that there are
members organization. So if you go to their board, then
it's actually got fourteen fifteen people sitting around the board
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table and they are representatives of the Test playing countries
and Szell and crickets one. And it's a federated model,
much like we send some other sports close to home,
where the person going to the board table X and
the best interests of their own organization rather than what's
in the best interest of the sport as a whole.
So I think that governance structure is very limited in
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terms of been able.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
To provide a solution.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
Sadly that they could if obviously that India and the
BCCI are the biggest board and they should probably get
more of a say on some things. Eighty percent of
the revenue and world cricket comes out of India, so
they should be having a significant say. But the other
boards could collectively work together and work with it. There
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they say, actually, we need to create these windows, we
need to create a program that works, and this is
what it needs to look like, and we all have
all got a compromise a bit. India also obviously needs
all the other international boards to tour India to generate
all the money that it does.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
So there would be a way through.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
This if everyone came together collectively and made the decision
decisions and the best interests of cricket. But sadly they
just don't do that, and they all get picked off
and act individually. And I understand that we've experienced it
for twenty years, So I think whilst that remains to
be the case, then you're going to have third parties,
(12:35):
some of which are boards. Remember some of the cricket
boards own T twenty competitions and are trying to grow them,
and they're prioritizing those T twenty competitions above international cricket.
Those boards and private interests are looking at cricket and going, well,
we can we can develop a better competition model here
in a better structure. And I think the for my
final point would be to say, you know, ICC events
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are really valuable because there's a start point, there's an endpoint,
go you typically go for five weeks. It's very tribal
because there's national teams playing. Typically the best athletes in
the world are playing in those ICC events, best cricketers,
so the broadcasters love them, the fans engage in them.
The same can be said for some of the big
T twenty franchise competitions, where there's a start point, there's
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an endpoint. It's a very fair competition. Everyone plays each
other the same amount of times, and often are the
best players are playing in the big T twenty leagues,
So fans are engaged, and broadcasters and commercial partners like them.
International bilateral cricket has no context and meaning. Most of
the time. There are five games here in T twenty
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three games there in ODI cricket, no one really understands
what they're building towards. They just sit in series and
matches in isolation of each other. And now often not
the best players are playing. So broadcasters, in commercial partners
and fans are saying, actually, I'm not so much interested
in this anymore, and we play too much of it.
So that's I think what's driving that what cricket will
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look like.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
In the future.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Fans and commercial partners will go with his context and
meaning and they know the best players are playing. And
whilst we're playing international cricket twelve months of the year,
no one sort of understands how it all relates to
each other. There's an individual series all over the show.
Then I think the fans are going to turn more
onto ICC events in the T twenty leagues.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
As a result, you no need.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
For the DMO. We've got the breakdown on Sports Talk.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
News Talk, and I thought it was mate. Rob Mickel
had a tough job with the Rugby Players Association, that
is Heath Mills. He is the boss of the New
Zealand Cricket Players Association talking about T twenty and the
way it is crawling through global cricket, and it's almost
like it's avy, isn't It's a creeper and it's going
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to strangle out and kill off international cricket, which in
itself was going to destroy T twenty cricket because no
one will have fans or no fans, sorry, I'll have
stars to look toward because it is playing friend chise
cricket and based plaining like anything there was in this
world was They're all about money in this capitalist system
on greed world cricket would eat its own head given
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half a chance, which is an impossibility, but I'd suggest
it'd try if it could. At the very end of
that Heath Mills, and I really feel for the guy.
There was a comment in that conversation around the ICC
and that the people on the board of the ruling
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class are so busy attempting to do the best for
themselves they're neglecting the state of the global game, cutting
off the nose's pite their face, right. Does it remind
you of what's happening in New Zealand rugby and what
the players Association tried to overturn what their big review
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tried to overturn. Did it work. No, Everyone's only interested
in how it affixed them directly. They're not interested in
the bigger ecosyste They're not interested in cricket as a whole,
which is awfully sad, and I get the feeling that
this is never going to change. What he said at
the end of that though, is what fans want, invariably
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is going to control where cricket goes globally. We're very important.
Without our eyeballs, without our engagement, without our money, without
our social posting, without us turning up to games, without
the fans, there's no one to sell it to. So
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you'd suggest that way, that's why the BCCI is so powerful,
because they've got over a billion people that they can
project to, and a lot of them a cricket fans.
So they may well end up running the game, with
the ICC being this skeleton movement on the outside that
merely looks after the odd tournament from time to time.
It's defeatist. I think. So you're a fan ce T
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twenties global leagues, you probably only buy into a few
of them. You probably don't really understand what's going on
with bilateral series and global where's your interest at? I
would like cricket fans to let me know, in a
perfect world, where would you go? What does it for you?
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And you've got your perfect world, what about your scary
old world that you predictors coming? Is World cricket going
to become a T twenty circus? Yes, yes it is.
Tests will die unless you're England, India or Australia one day.
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Inter nationals, I've lost all their furs. They'll turn up
once every four years for a World Cup and will
all be about T twenty? Do we resist this? Is
there any point in resisting this? Or is this a
case of it's going to happen so less just sit
back and enjoy it while it's there. I'll struggle with
that because I'm a traditionalist, but I'm old. It's about
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the youth and what they want and where they're going.
That is the future. Fans, young, old, middle aged, whatever
you are, what does of you? What do you actually want?
What do you want to see? If twenty four plus
seven lines are open on eight hundred eighty ten eighty
free foe nationwide, you can text in nineteen ninety two.
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That is z B z B and I'm not here
to bag on Cam Williamson for doing what he wants
to do and good on and he's earned it. I
suppose the supplemental question to this is, where's your line?
What does in New Zealand cricket have to achieve before
they are given dispensation by New Zealand cricket to run
away and play clown pajama cricket? Was it a pile
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of runs, pile of wickets, amount of Test matches? I
don't know yours? Please coming up next here on new
Stool Zedber.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Forget the riffs, call you make a call on eight
hundred eighty ten eighty Sports Talk on your home of
sport US Talks Balk.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Twenty eight out to seven Sports Look on News Talk
ZB and a Wednesday, isn't then, oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on t T twenty is the death of cricket?
Isn't it? Slowly but surely it's been creeping along and
(19:51):
slowly tying cricket down? And could you say that possibly
within ten years we will no longer have Test cricket.
It'll be a freak show that turns up from time
to time that people scratch their head and look at
and go, my, my, how old school? When it is
it's ove one hundred years old, right, it's T twenty
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the death of regular cricket, and it's that okay, Now,
I'd struggle with this one. I love your thoughts on
this O one hundred and eighty teen eighty. I played cricket.
I was terrible, and anyone who played against me will
know exactly what I'm talking about. I played poorly. I
thought I played well, and I was always in a
state of rage because I was so incredibly bad. But
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I grew up watching test cricket. One day's National cricket
raised its head when I was five or six. Interesting.
It breathed fresh life into the game, which we thought
what T twenty was going to do as well, And
it did, but it went too far. And I said
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here complaining about this, but deep inside of myself, the
only constant is changed. We know this. You can't stand
still with anything. You'll be eaten alive. And like everything
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in life, everything we do, our work, habits, where we live,
how we treat people, at advances. We're always advancing. That's
why we no longer live in caves. So as much
as I find T twenty Cricket palatable for a couple
of minutes and maybe a handful of crafty beers, I'd
long for the longer version of the game. I'd long
for the big meal, the dig or station menu with
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ten courses and matching wines, as opposed to a quick
cheeseburger and fries, which is ultimately unsatisfying. But if the
game is going in that direction and that's what the
youth want and that's where the eyeballs are, who am
I to complain about that? Because that is advancing. Some
people like myself may think it's going backwards, but it's
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advancing the course because this is what the new X
generation want. This is what people want to watch. So
if that's inevitability, which I think it is, I'd like
your thoughts on this. One hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Do we just acquiesce to the whole lot and go fine,
give up, don't worry about the arguing characters in the
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ICC and what they can't achieve for their own backyard.
Just accept the fact that Cricket now is a short
version game, and we'll bring up our young cricketers to
play that short version of the game and that's where
they can make money and lay it open to the
t twenty leagues and say this is cricket from now
on and bid farewell to the glory days of men
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standing around and white and doing nothing for days on
end and calling it sport Again. I don't like it,
but to me it's it's progress. Isn't that how it rolls?
Running some text now nineteen ninety two, that's z B
z B. Are you talking about up to New Zealander?
(23:07):
Who is the ic C chair? You're talking about Greg Barkley,
not not specifically, but when you listen to Heath Mills,
he's been dealing this for a long time, saying that
the ICC really just organized a few tournaments and they're
all up there arguing for what's best for their organization.
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I don't think Greg's gonna be able to do a
great deal around that, is he Darcie? Even notice how
much Rob Nickel and Heath Mills simply sound like each other.
It's weird. They are alike the a clones. Samuel Well
came to the same place, didn't they. They do sound
very similar. The boss of and he said, criticalized association
in Rugby Players Association. Ah, and Ray's talking about fighting
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and we'll talk about that later on because David Nieker
is going to join the program and Darcie, would you
be related to Charles Waller Grave you used to run
all some discos for young roosters back in the seventies. Yeah, yes,
I'm not quite sure how. What I do know is
that my great great great grandfather was JJ. Then it
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went down to Henry, and then it went to Morris,
and then Morris spawn Deck or Richard, and then from
Richard came my dad, Michael, and then I'm here. So
I think at six generations, I'm presuming somewhere along the
line there was a Charles that popped out somewhere. I
think all the water Graves are part of the same bunch.
And I apologize when you Watergrave listened to me. I'm
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sorry about that. Twenty seven minutes to eight tomorrow in
the program, even though I promises are quite hollow. As
you found out, Dalton Puppel he's going to join the show.
We're going to talk Super Rugby Finals time. We'll do
that on Thursday, we'll do it on Friday, as well,
I'm just fascinated by this slow burn, this destruction of
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world cricket, and we got the backdrop of a T
twenty World Cup that we're not involved in that no
one seems to want to watch. Go figure us this
his news talks in.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Listen to please, gotten me down on my lives.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Catch up with David Miki surely signed up with gCO Events,
carry on his rise and rise in the professional boxing ranks,
currently nine and oh looking to go further, start fighting
back here in New Zealand, for his friends, for his family,
his fans over here. What's good to hear? It's going
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off to Facebook through the concept up that T twenty
is actually tearing the game apart and more people thought
of that. Craig seems to think that the teachment of
World Cup should be in the same format as the
one to International World Cup. So what too many teams
over too long a distance. Craig thinks T twenty is
(26:23):
killing international cricket. Now, if you're to limit that purely
to franchise cricket and not international cricket full stop, how
would that affect the game at the top level? So
many people playing franchise cricket they'd forget what they're doing
when it comes to playing long form cricket, Timmy, this
seems to think what other sport there's the same international
calendars cricket. There needs to be a reduction in the
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amount of international cricket to eight weeks. It's global, Timothy,
it's global. It goes all over the world. Summer's constant.
There's always summer somewhere, right, these guys are chasing the coin,
says Gareth. I don't blame them, to be honest at me,
that do I And Brandon thinks the World Cup there
has not been a great evisiment for the game, so
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hopefully they will learn from that. Too many matches one sided,
over too early. What's only over too early? Up for us,
Brendan because we played so terribly. Donny is climbing on
board with like it earn the money they are for
the amount of cricket they're playing. I'll be all over
and anyone says that they wouldn't are kidding themselves. And
I think they're right. And it's not T twenty that's
(27:27):
killing it. It's greed, says Jason. Did I get that.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Now?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I understand why players want to go and play less
cricket for more money. Why wouldn't you. Where's the limit
on this? If you buy into my concept and just
open the doors and go forget about it's all about
T twenty cricket now and see what happens. As opposed
to slowly trying to resist the inevitable. Maybe you get
to the front of the que If you do that,
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you've got players like Okay william Cent Trent Bolt going
off and doing that, and Trent Bolt still fantass to play.
We saw that in the T twenty World Cup, all
be it against some pretty rubbish teams, but you still
play well, came Williamson. Same thing.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Like? He looks like he's going the same way getting
along in his career and he wants to go and
do the same thing. Where's your limit? Where do you
cap it? For players? What do they have to achieve
in order for them like the ghetto law with rugby
for Australian rugby, in order for these players to walk
away and go and line their pockets. Because if you don't,
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I suppose, if you don't have an international game and
you don't have a series of steps moving up to
one day international representation, test representation. You don't have the
star power to attract people to T twenty. Are you
going to get the same buying from the fans if
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these players solely play T twenty? Not entirely, sure, you
might know twenty minutes to eight, Sonny, How are you
doing good?
Speaker 8 (29:08):
Hate anyway?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (29:09):
Not so that.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 8 (29:13):
Just just about the cricket. Yeah, I hope Test cricket hasn't,
hasn't won't go away in ten ten years. I'm so
a young one compared to you, I guess so. Test
cricket's still my favorite format. But I think these Island's
approaching it kind of wrong. They need to, I think,
look for a way to open the domestic twenty league
and either franchise it or look for a way to
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help them join the BBL to get some money. And
I think that's the main factor of England because that
we have no money.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
So you think the Big Beast League is the way
to go?
Speaker 8 (29:44):
Yeah, I think. I think if you join and get
more money in and then hopefully that way we can
afford to have three or four or five Test Mats
series compared to the preppy two that we usually have anyway.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Well, I'm not entirely sure though with the population base
we've got Sonny in and thank you for calling anyway,
but that there would be enough to keep something like
that to float. And when you're looking at Australia cricket,
why would they come this way? Why wouldn't they move
to Singapore or to territories that are burgeoning cricket territories
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where there's a lot more eyeballs there for money.
Speaker 8 (30:20):
Oh, I guess it's like the or the A League
or Super Rugby. Essentially all of our kind of those
rugby codes old re transtasma. Why not make the cricket
T twenty cricket code transtasment essentially?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Has that worked though, Sonny, I think the.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
NRL's definitely has Super rugbies. I think lost its kind
of you know touch right now just because New Zealand
teams dominated so much. I think if you get some
money in and get you know, even if you get
a couple of the New Zealand super smash teams in
and get attract some players. And I think the other
thing is the production quality the coverage of cricket in
New Zealand. Yes, it's free to hear, but it's pretty
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pathetic coverage in terms of what TVNZ does nowadays to it.
They don't do it justice. I think a lot of
your Australia, Yes they're a bigger population, but a lot
of them tune in to Fox Sport just to watch
them muck around.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
They present their product to you in a more palatable manner.
What particularly about it, it's only that you actually like.
Is that the intelligence of the ability the commentary team
is the special effects, I suppose, the on screen graphics,
the amount of cameras they use.
Speaker 8 (31:31):
Yeah, I guess graphics. Cameras, I think you can match
that here. But it's more just I guess money forks
as well. But their lineup off commentators, the way they
present the game. It's not just boring analysis actually entertaining
and they have extricutives talking about their stories at the
end of the day. I mean, if you watch some
of their coverage on the straight test matches, you're pretty
(31:51):
entertained for the whole day by a skull just laughing
out at the boat.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
So some people are entertained by skull. Other people want
to actually drag them out of the television screen and
submerse them in the water like device around that. I
think we're all interested in the concept of taking the
six teams that we have over here in New Zealand
for for super Smash and amalgamating them to maybe two
(32:17):
teams and trying to join the big best league. Would
that give any more impetus orud that destroy the base
of New Zealand cricket making it more difficult because you
look what happens to the Warrior is right, all the
rugby league players, so many of them are playing over
in Australia now because we got a lot of really
good lead players. There's not enough room for them to
develop in here in New Zealand, so off they go
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to WAZZI would that be the same thing we start
losing cricketers over the ditch. I suppose it's the only
way they can make money.
Speaker 8 (32:45):
Why wouldn't they, Right, Yeah, it's the only way they
make money. But I guess it's just trying to entice
them to stay here and hopefully if they get bigger
when they playing domestically here, even that transcendent to the
New Zealand cricket can come up with some sort of
contracted way in terms of where you know, the Australian
Cricket board and boards still operate a separate and it is,
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but the two twenty League is just combined essentially.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And a sudding. I think there would be a lot
of people who be keen to watch that. If you've
got the best Australian cricket is the best you're selling.
Cricket is playing there, but there's no cash and for
not going to are the They're going to go to
one of these What have we got the IPL, You've
got the American League which has been bankroll bankrolled by
the IPL, and then you've got a couple of tournaments
in to buy. It's the South Africa one, yes, producer rants,
(33:34):
but I don't think it's going to be quite as big.
But you look at the ones like the ones that
are going to be held in and do buy it
up in that part of the world where there is
truckloads of money, that's where people are going to gravitate
toward and they'll end up being the dominant legs and
that may lay waste to cricket at the highest level,
which would be a pity. Things change though we can't
(33:59):
stay as it was forever forever. It doesn't work like that.
A couple of quick texts for you. Too many World
Cups every two years, It's ridiculous, think you've incident. I've
got you, hi, Darcy. The future of sporters gaming on
the internet. A huge amount of money can be earned
with our injuries, and you can take a breakre and
go for a workout at the locals. That's the way
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people are going. Not me, can't buy into that. Maybe
it's my age. Apparently Father Charles Watergrave taught ray and
has mates the rudiments of boxing. Apparently he still has
a pugnacious Catholic battlean no figure like Charles. If you listening,
joy related and Darcy. I think tescrig it's power amount,
(34:43):
but fifty other games drew such a lot of support
years ago. Really enjoyed T twenty though, But that's really
enjoyed it. But T twenty leaves me cold somewhere. Some
people are making a lot of coin promoting this. Kids
are adopting this. I say, no, what do you say?
Look no, I don't think you can resist it. I
think we're powerless to resist the change. It's how we
work in with that change and not get left behind
(35:04):
by it. That's the kick thirteen minutes to eight. Coming
up next, David Nika joins us. He punches grown men
in the face for a living, and I'll explain more
about that up next. You're on new stiks eb. We're
(35:31):
join now on the show by David Nieka just signed
a big contract to hang out with Doco to project
his career into the stratosphere. That's the idea, isn't it, David.
This is the first step towards superstardom.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Huh yeah, Yeah, There's been a lot of small steps
in between. But I'm my hard work and my sacrifice
as it's finally looking upwards.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
You know, it's a huge opportunity to be fighting on
such a prestigious show because it will be a show,
This will be such a buzz all through New Zealand
and especially in Auckland City, so I'm expecting a really
really cool eye and it's just just nice to be
in front of, you know, the home crowd.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
Again.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
I haven't fought in New Zealand since my my pro
taboo on Joseph Parker's undercard against Junior Fast, So yeah,
huge opportunity for me and for for Auckland for New Zealand.
This is a globally televised on Designe on the September fourteenth,
So we've got we've got all eyeser on us for
as for as long as we want it. So I
really want to get out there, do well, come back,
(36:28):
do it again because I think we can really grow this.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
So tell us what's happening on the fourteenth, what's the upshot?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
So we'll be announcing my opponent in the next week
or two. We actually don't have a name at the moment.
We had one and that fell over.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
It would have been awesome, but I think I think
the trainer didn't like the fight.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
So that's pretty pretty common common issue. When you've got
a record that looks like mine, I guess.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Well, your record's not entirely bad yet to be beaten.
You're sticking at nine and zero right now. You'd be
pretty proud of that. Does that mean a lot going
into these fights or is it all about the fight
coming out?
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't mean anything really. Like every
every fight, you've got to take sera and.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. Fighting in front of the
home crowd is a scary idea.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Because you know, you've got everything to everything to lose,
you know, and it's not something that I that I
like doing. I love to be an underdog, you know,
but this is this is an opportunity for me to
give my fans what they've been missing out on. You know,
I feel like I've really missed fighting in front of
you know, my friends, my family. You know, like only
my mom managed to come over to Saudi, you know,
(37:31):
no one in the UK when I fought on Joe's
undergard over there.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
It's yeah, it's just gonna be nice to be around
good people again.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
You know, Well, what's the move? Like, are you going
to come across here? It's outside of Brisbane at the moment.
You're gonna set up camp over here. You're going to
go back and forth over the Tasman. What's your plan
over the next couple of years.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
David, I think I'll I think I'll stay here. I
think I'll stay here. Oh no, sorry, stay in in Gatton.
I've I've got a really good, really good setup, and
I've got my I've got all my systems in place,
and I know, like, like I know a lot of
people love having systems in place for you know, streamlining
your day, streamlining your training. I've got everything I need
and I've I've set myself up for success. So it's
(38:09):
a it's a it's a really it's a really good
place to be, especially being away from the hustle and
bustle in a in a small agricultural rural town.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
So you know, I'm perfectly happy out there.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
David Nika joins this multi fight co promotional agreements just
someone with Duco Events of course, behind Joseph Parker among others.
You've got Null Thornbree in your corner. Tell us about
that relationship, David.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Yeah, I told you what I've learned so much from
Noel about the not just not just the boxing itself.
He's he's an amazing, amazing tactician and strategist.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
But the business side of things as well.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
I feel like I could, I could almost promote a
show today, you know, but we've developed a really, really,
really awesome relationship where we know.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
I guess, I guess when you first meet a new
coach and you you have like different lingo, you don't
quite understand what they're asking for.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Everything's falling into place, and I think my fight in
Saudi Arabia was a perfect example of a perfect showcasing
of what we what we've been working on and taking
out someone with a record like twelve and oh ten
knockouts that they're all good scalps.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
You know. I want to keep keep chopping away at
the division and end up on top.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah, you're talking about the German you beat up on
Michael sites over in Saudi Arabia. It was quite the
card to be on, wasn't it. You see yourself competing
more on events like the Ring of Fire.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
David Absolutely, Yeah, That's that's what every every boxer wants
to wants to aspire to. And I'm in a privileged
position where Duco aren't you know, hamstringing me and you know,
holding me, holding me captive.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
You know, we've fought on cards all over the world
in the last last.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Few years, so massive opportunity for me to continue that
run and with their support and guidance, Yeah, I'll be
looking at picking up my first world title and probably
the next eighteen to twenty four months.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
I'd say, So, why do coo?
Speaker 2 (39:57):
What attracted you to them? And how long have you
actually signed up for? Is it a set fight deal?
Is it amount of years. What's the skinny around that, David.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
I won't I won't go into fine print.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
What's probably important to mention is that so many of
the opportunities that I've had two date have been arranged
and organized and streamlined through Douco and my relationship with
with Joseph Parking, you know, going and training with Tyson
Fury for six months and fighting on undercards abroad, and
actually my my link with Noel Thornberry was actually produced
(40:31):
by or was created by Doco. So yeah, I have
a lot to oh to Douco and Dave Higgins because
I'd really like to bloody take this all the way
into the sunset.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
You know, You've also got a relationship as you've touched on.
But I believe explosive Joseph Jurassic park has got some
skin in the game now. He's actually peeled off some
notes to back you. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Yeah, And he's he's on top of the world right now.
He's he's a global superstar. I'm reading all the comments
of you know, people saying like, oh, like people are
different sanctioning bodies in.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Their rankings and how they rank the heavyweights, and they
on why is Joseph Parking not not number three? Why
is he not? He should be number two? It should
be just that he's he's on top of the world
right now, he's on fire.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
So to be backed by him and to know that
he's officially has a role to look after.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
Me as if actually really really reassuring.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
You know, you're looking at the cruiser White Crown. Is
that where you want to stop? You've got thoughts of
moving up a division. Are you're comfortable with where you're
sitting right now? David?
Speaker 4 (41:30):
I'll absolutely be moving up when the time's right, and
if the times I should say, like, I don't think
I'll stop developing until probably my mid thirties, if I'm honest.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
I think my dad was a bit similar.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
He started putting on a bit more size into his
thirties as late bloomers.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
You know.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
So I've definitely got my eyes on the on the
headway title, but it would be foolish to not to
not focus on, you know, the next step and what
what's what's next?
Speaker 1 (41:55):
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couple of texts for you. Michael's been enjoying the live
sport and replays on TV and SID plus. That's for you.
A fit Michael, You're probably alone. I've had so many
complaints about the coverage. I'm not sure why. Maybe it's
the pre in the murd in the aftermatch, which I
never watch. Let's watch the sport itself, Darcy. The capacity
to be in parks fifty k A. They're putting on
(42:51):
another six thousand tickets on so I don't know, Nigel.
Can they actually stretch it up to fifty k I
think it was only during the World Cup, wasn't it
Probably haven't got enough room at A forty forty four
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