July 3, 2024 • 42 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returns to recap an exciting day in the world of sports! Highlights for tonight include:
BBC commentator Chris Jones ahead of the first All Blacks test against England.
Talkback - how much wiggle room do you give Scott Robertson?
Marcelo Montoya ahead of the Bulldogs match.
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Hello there, welcome on into sports Talk. It's Wednesday night, right,
It's the third.
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Of July twenty twenty four.
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eighty ten eighty plainly leading in the opening test of
what will be an astounding season. I say astounding because
there's a season like no other for the All Blacks.
A brand new coach, Scott Raiser Robertson, who promises so much,
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but of course there are so many people hanging over
his head, just waiting for him to stumble to say.
I told you the lack of international experience would end
up punishing the All Blacks. That all gets underway tomorrow
for the second stage. The squad's already be named. Now
we get a team at eleven thirty tomorrow morning, and
then on Saturday night we're all up and running the
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very first Test of two up against the English in Donedia.
This will be epic and we're going to talk about
that Test match, and we're going to talk about after
we talk with Chris Jones shortly he as a BBC
commentator and rugby correspondent.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
To join me up in the studio here.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
We're going to talk around how much leeway Scott Raiser
Robertson gets. Have a listen to mister Jones about what
he says about the team, the new look England side,
what they bring, where their confidence is at, and then
look to the possibility of selections tomorrow and how much
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rope do you give Scott Robertson. That's what we're going
to discuss tonight. That's after Christy join you shortly toward
the end of the program, I rolled down to Warrior's
HQ and made a mess of the whole studio and
had a bit of a yarn and ate all their
free food and pinched some coke and tried to walk
out with a couple of jerseys, and on the way
through I saw Marcelo Montoya, so he is a perfect
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opportunity to give me the excuse as to why I'm
here walking out with the handfuls of bill. Hey, Marcelo,
your fancy a yarn and he's such a good man
he did. So you hear the result of that yarn later.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
On the piece.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Because of course they're playing the Bulldogs this weekend. That
is the team that Marcelo Montoya started playing for, So.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Back to the old called Marcello. That's still to come.
But before any of that, let's do a considerable amount.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
This sport today and in sport today, Kiwi tennis shooting
star Lulu Soon plays on London's lawn overnight, hoping to
take another scalp with Wimbledon. Leading New ceel On tennis
coach Clint Packer sees huge positives around her allegiance switch.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
When you think about her playing for News zeal And,
she's doing it basically at the start of her career.
We're going to get a decade out of her and
if you're twelve years old right now, you're potentially going
to be playing with her one day while she's in
her prime, so they're gonna need a lot of value.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Out of her.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Get In lu Lu Warriors, winger Marcelo Montoya had some
advice for Ware's hooker Freddy Lassk around his try scoring celebrations.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
I love the mun A wave and I love everyone
getting around there in New Zealand, but yeah, Freddy was
a kind of stiff arm run away. So I think
going forward, maybe flick of the wrists and it's one
of the fingers will get him.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
We're going to be better at that money wave.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You need some style, Freddy. You've been told by Marcello,
no white lock, no retell, no worry. Senior All Black
Lock and Blues Super Rugby champion Patrick.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
A Twoey lot To isn't getting too worked up about
his job on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Continue the legacy of two All Black greats, heasy.
Speaker 8 (04:34):
No, he's obviously the get here to stand in full.
Not much changes, but in terms of the legacy those
guys have left, I've got a full dead and play well.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
He's such a calm bro, isn't there. It's like I
do this every day and nothing's gonna bother me, and
I thing he's gonna break.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Mastra don't sing.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
And Kiwi pugilist Andre Mkalovitch believes his double training stint
in Australia has sharpened his tools for.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
His upcoming crack and a couple of world titles.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
The peach Gym Fighter means for Vegas on fro Fo Day,
for the scrap on Sunday week where the WBO and
ib IF middleweight straps will be four.
Speaker 9 (05:14):
We'll go manitude of the fight. You always going to
have to put an extra seasoning on the training, so
we've been over to Aubrey for Bahren and more focused training.
Just give an extra layer or extra level of focus,
which I think is really important for file. Others need
to do demids across them tears indeed.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Not only training, a bit of basic grammar.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And that the right call is your sport today.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And it gives me a great pleasure to welcome into
the studio from the BBC from Mother England Chris Jones,
who's traveling over here to follow the English round and
what could be a groundbreaking couple of matches for the
English like Spectris and welcome to the show that this
team have got their tails up, knowing how fresh it
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is for Scott robertson all these new guys, I.
Speaker 10 (05:59):
Knowing what's a stake. You know England had been without
going on too much about the history. They've they've been
keen to acknowledge it. You know, they've got to a
guy at the helm in Steve Bortha, who was part
of the squad the last time England were down here
winning a Test match in New Zealand, that heroic thirty
man effort in Wellington in two thousand and three. You know,
no England tea before that. One place is like Auckland
since nineteen seventy three and this England team, no one
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wins an Auckland going back to France in ninety fourth.
That's a conversation for next week when we're back here
again in Auckland. But how exciting for this young England team.
They turned things around during the Six Nations when when
they look pretty bleak post the Cowcuto Cup against Scotland,
had a big win against Ireland, pushed France close, tuned
up nicely against Japan.
Speaker 11 (06:39):
The team is settled.
Speaker 10 (06:40):
Not too many injuries, one or two at home, but
not too many and it's a team that's starting to
get a little bit of former identity.
Speaker 11 (06:46):
So yeah, what a huge opportunity talk to.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Us about the turnaround and about what the or Blecks
can expect, because this is not a door English team
that punch you up the guts and get number teen
and get their kick in and we're they're actually playing expensive,
exciting rugby.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Where does this come from?
Speaker 10 (07:02):
So on the way up here we saw the backpage
of the Herald and Jeordi Barrett's talking about how the
fast pitch and the roof in Thenedin might benefit England, Like,
come on, what planet are we on? I thought it
was all about the white orcs on steroids and the
England forward pack that everyone's scared of, or that's the
the side of the game that people down here would
be wary of when it comes to an England side.
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But yet to have a New Zealand player talking about
an England side that might play with tempo, might play
with pace and speed and fluency is a turnaround and
it happened.
Speaker 11 (07:33):
The turnaround happened pretty fast for Iland.
Speaker 10 (07:35):
During the sixth Nations they went up to Murrayfield and
played Scotland and tried to play a little bit of rugby.
Speaker 11 (07:39):
Didn't work at all at the world.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
That was the only time they got flashed in the
sixth naw yes, wasn't it really? There is the results
even though they lost two one three, we're all reasonably.
Speaker 10 (07:49):
Was the last minute kick They've beat Ireland with a
late Marcus Smith drop goal, but play. But it was
that Island game where they started to play some really good,
as you guys would say.
Speaker 11 (07:56):
Footy and it came from just a little bit of
a tweak here.
Speaker 10 (07:59):
George Furback comes in at fullback rather than Freddie Stewart's
more of a defensive number fifteen. And I think what's
Seve Borthwick's done is like he got to the World
Cup semi final playing that pragmatic style. They pushed the
box really close in the wet of Paris, playing a
kicking game. But Steve Borthwick's looked at it and this
is England team without Mackovn a polar believe in a
polar Manitou Langy, Kyle Sinkler, big dynamic ball carriers that
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did a number on the All Blacks in twenty nineteen
in Yokohama playing a power game. Yes they moved the
ball a bit, but ultimately it was dynamic forward runners
coming in waves and.
Speaker 11 (08:33):
Steve Borthwick's looked and gone.
Speaker 10 (08:35):
Actually maybe England don't have that type of personnel, but
they do have a Manny Fair with both so they
do have a Tommy Freeman, they do have a Marcus Smith,
they do have Finn Smith. They do have an Alex
Mitchell who's worked on his kicking game loads from number nine.
Speaker 11 (08:46):
But he is a kind of quick link man in
the Aaron Smith mold.
Speaker 10 (08:49):
So he's looking at what tools he has in his
disposal and what is going to be best suited to
get England to win test matches look New Zealand away
from home. It is a complete different step and if
they did it it would be a huge achievement. But
I think it's about Borthwick seeing what he's got and
maybe evolving his coaching style to suit the players he
has his disposal.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Is this something that's been pushed on him or do
you believe his development as a coach and understanding of
the way the international game is going has suddenly stood
right in front of him with the players he's got
and go, you know what I've actually got to just
I've got to grow.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Do you believe that's what happens.
Speaker 10 (09:23):
I don't think the fundamentals of what Steve Borthwick or
any head coach wants from a team are going to change.
He wants a solid set piece. He wants to use
scrubbs to lock up a scrum, a weapon for penalties
if need be, line outs to launch an attack, a
powerful more. They've got this new defense with Felix Jones,
which is taken from the spring box.
Speaker 11 (09:41):
So all of those pillars Alex mitchell I mentioned the
kicking game.
Speaker 10 (09:44):
His box kicking has come on miles in the last year,
So all of those things he will still be desperate
to keep in place.
Speaker 11 (09:50):
What Borthwick won't want is to go right.
Speaker 10 (09:52):
If we are going to play a bit more rugby,
then the set piece will creak, or the defense will
be a little bit poorous, or the kicking won't be
as accurate, or in them won't be as good as
winning back fifty fifties in the air. All of that
he still wants, but he does want the ability to
move the Ball's now, I've got athletes.
Speaker 11 (10:07):
Like a Chandler Cunning himself.
Speaker 10 (10:08):
He was you know, raised in New Zealand, who is
a different type of you know he's he's going to
be someone who's maybe looking for gaps in the defense.
He's abrasive, but he's not not They haven't got these
big ball character are smashing through you. They might need
to break the line in slightly different ways. Ben Earl,
he's quick on his feet, he's not so big. He
can do a believe in a polar and just come
up the guts of you. But he had an outstanding,
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so standing World Cup, outstanding six Nations. You ally that
with Sam Underhill being a very good defensive player, Cunning himself.
Is this kind of dynamics dynamism. I think that England
are looking for rather than power. They need to find
ways with the person They've got to create line breaks
to get go forward, to bring power, but not in
the maybe conventional way an England team would have brought
power in the past.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Chris Jones joins us from the BBC's we take a
look at this England team before the first of two
tists being held under the roof in Dunedin over the weekend.
There is still some old school You mentioned some of
the older players have moved on, but you look at
Joe Marley, you look at Tamara Tooji In the like
quite a lot on these shoulders, you'd suggest, are they
strong enough to carry?
Speaker 10 (11:07):
I mean you mentioned Marler and Dan Cole as well.
Dan Cole's winning one hundred and fourteenth cap this weekend.
He's thirty seven. This was a guy who we thought
was done as an international prop after he'd had a
tough time at the hands of the Box in the
twenty nineteen final. What fortitude to not just keep trucking
another four or five years, but to then go toe
to toe with the Box in a semi final and
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banish some of those demons from Japan. So the fact
he's still trucking is a testament to him and Tomrlin,
who's a few years younger but still there's got a
lot of miles on the clock, winning Cap ninety five
this weekend. But that's the area of England need going forward.
They need some backup at prop. They've got options on
the flank, they've got options in the back three. They've
got these two youngish tens in Marcus Smith and Finn Smith.
They've got a good cohort of Number nine's locks. George
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Martin's only a young guy. Oli Chesham's at home injured,
he's a top player. The prop is somewhere where in
an ideal world that not as much would be on
the head or on the shoulders of Dan Cole and
Joe Marler. They're going to lock up that scrum. They're
going to do what they do. But looking forward from
an English rugby point of view, yeah, the fact that
those guys are still so much as reliant on them
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is perhaps a sign that the props aren't coming through
the way sty Borth would like, especially on the tight head.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Is there an obvious weak point?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Is there a teaenda nderbelly that possibly Robertson Scott Robertson
would look to expose that you've noticed over the season particularly, I.
Speaker 11 (12:31):
Mean they're inexperienced.
Speaker 10 (12:33):
Like you can't deny that Marcus Smith has got thirty
two thirty three caps in the bag now, but he
hasn't started a Test match at number ten in New Zealand.
I was chatting to some guys earlier this week, the
even likes of Henry Slade who's thirty one and got
sixty three caps. He's never been to New Zealand, let
alone played in Dunedin or in Eden Park. Alex Mitchell
never been to New Zealand. Guys like Ben al these
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it's uncharted territory for them. So look, I think there
are probably areas where England would like a little bit
more ballast, a touch more power, maybe that extra little.
Speaker 11 (13:05):
Bit of depth in or two positions.
Speaker 10 (13:09):
But they're they're gonna give it a go, I think,
and they're gonna if they can withstand that all black
blitz that will come at the start. Even though you
guys haven't played Test rugby for a while, still pretty
tuned from super rugby, quick surface under the roof. We've
seen Norman Hemisphere teams come down here after a long
season and get blown out the gate in the first
twenty f England can stay in the fight, then they've
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got half a chance.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I think, what about the chance of speed wobbles with
this English side trying this new expensive style you've got.
As you see youth there getting carried away with what
they're doing. You see the skeleton, the seat piece skeleton
that they flitsh out and build this monster. Is there
a chance that might be over exuberance and that might
be the beginning of they're end.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
It might actually be their downfall and then.
Speaker 10 (13:54):
The flip of that could be that they, in that
desire not to go to do too much, not to
play too much rugby, they then go into their shell
a bit and that's the you know. So if you're
Marcus Smith now who for years has has played understudy
to George Ford or to Own Farrell, you know, George
Ford's knocking one hundred caps, soon Own Farrell breeze past
that greats of English rugby. Ford's injured, Farrell's off off
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to France are no longer available, So huge opportunity for Smith.
Speaker 11 (14:20):
What's going through his head?
Speaker 10 (14:21):
Is he thinking, right, I need to play like Ford
or play like Farrell because you can't just play the
Harlequins way at home against Bath in Doneda or Eden Park.
So how he goes about his business for me is
absolutely fascinating because he'll want to show what he can do,
which is to attack, which is to look for gaps,
which is to counter. But also he'll know that they've
got to play in the right areas.
Speaker 11 (14:41):
As much as.
Speaker 10 (14:42):
England are playing more rugby than they did a year ago,
don't expect too much from their own half. I still
think territory is going to be is going to be king,
and then it's whether England can use a Tommy Freeman
user George Fairbank, use a many favor Bosa who I'm
sure New Zealand audiences know very little about to strike
when they get those opportunities.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
No need for the DMO. We've got the breakdown on
Sports Talk. Wait, news Talks.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
If you want to hear the whole lot, you can,
I'll put that online.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
It's a good eighteen minutes or so of Chris discussing
the English prospects and what they're going to be confronted
with by Scott Robinson and the energy the confidence within
the side ahead of that Test match twenty one minutes
after seven. I'll put that online News Talks, b dot
co dot NZ.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
At the end of the program. So question, let me
touched on it before. I don't know how many people.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Out there have any idea about the strengths or the
weaknesses of this English side. There'll be some mild myopia
if you had such a word within New Zealand Rugby
fans not knowing where the English are coming from. So
why I got Chris on to talk about this, about
what they're doing, what they're developing, how they are playing.
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They can't stibly put Japan away fifty three twelve off
the top of my head. And this is a team
that had some very close run games, except the game
against Scotland and the Six Nations. But it has a
whole lot of change in manpower, not unlike the All Blacks.
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And as Chris pointed out, this is not the White
Hawks pulling out broadswords and chopping their way up the middle.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
This is a different team, and it's.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Based on the style and the quality and the expression
that the players that Worthwick has selected have got.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
What they bring to the park.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
So it's a different side, as are the All Blacks.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
So the question how much rope do you give Scott Robertson,
How much leeway do.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You give Scott Robertson? What kind of chance do you
give Scott Robertson? Has he got room to fail? Has
he got room to maybe he drop the ball not
literally but figuratively and possibly both at the start of
this game. I'm going to tell you right now, I
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think we give him nothing. Habby, as you know, I
love Scott Robinson. I love what he does, I love
the way he coaches. I love the fact he's got
the All Blacks job. He is a shot in the arm.
He is going to be a breath of fresh air.
But if they get rolled at home by the English
in the first game of the season, I expect he'll
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be put to the sword by the public. Maybe you
could suggest what about the manner in which they lose?
If they do lose, does that give him.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Any wiggle room? Any leeway? I don't know if it does.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I expect victory, and I expect a wonderful display against
an English side that it may be cocker hoop, But
aren't all that. I don't think we give him any
wiggle room at all.
Speaker 11 (18:01):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
How much room do you give Scott Robinson and this
new All Black team? Do you give them a couple
of games to climb into their stride? Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. No, we demand excellence immediately. Is they're
grossly unfear course, it's twenty five past seven.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Lines are open. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. This
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Speaker 1 (18:28):
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Speaker 2 (18:57):
Seven Sports Talk aeron News Talk ZB Marcelo Montoya later
on in the program, looking forward to the Warriors going
on the bounce up against the Bulldogs. Different fixture, different picture,
the length play fifth away from home. After the wonderful
win last week? Can they link up another one? She's
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getting tight in the end. We're taking your calls now though,
on the amount of room, the wiggle room, the rope
that we give Scott raisor Robinson for his first up test.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Is it too hard for someone like myself to go?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
No?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
We demand victory.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Does it have to be a polished victory?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Maybe it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Does it have to show a huge amount of spine
and heart, Yeah it does. This may be a tough call,
but I think that the standards that he demands are
particularly high.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I think that, and we've talked about this previously. The
pressure put.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Upon Scott Robertson works a treat. I think he needs that.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I think he'll flourish and awesome and bloom under that pressure,
and hopefully these players do as well.
Speaker 12 (20:09):
Good I Paul, Hey Darth, how are you making?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Oh I'm not so bad.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 12 (20:15):
Well, I think we're under estimating Scott Robinson Robertson, because
we do, yes, we don't know what's going on in
his mind doing I reckon he starts two new caps.
He's not scared and that's where he's got to where
he is. He's not traditional the last I guess ten
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to twelve years we've dealt with this. I hope we win.
I hope we win. No, don't worry about it with him.
We will win. We won't leave a test this year.
He will try new players, he will try new things,
and I think you can sleep well knowing that England
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aren't going to be a threatened fact all the way
through this year. He will win every test convincingly.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Well, what do you base that on?
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I'm you're excited about by your excitement, but does that
come we talk about international experience? Does that come into it?
Is it purely based on what he did with the Crusaders?
Is it something about the way he talks?
Speaker 3 (21:19):
The way?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I don't what gives you this confidence, Paul.
Speaker 12 (21:24):
Because international experience and I've listened to media and all
of that, which you guys do a great job on.
But natural fact, he's not scared and that's something I
think that we've got talent. We know we've got talent,
but he gets in their heads. And I'm from Auckland,
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not from Canterbury, and I didn't like him when he
was at the Crusaders. But he gets players playing where
they feel comfortable, and he understands the role of rugby.
I don't think internationally some of the coaches actually understand
what he does.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I think it's a really good point. And I remember
talking to him once about what he does and how
he works as a coach, and he said that if
you get the minds and the hearts, if you get
the hearts specifically of the players, they will do anything
for you. They'll run through walls, it doesn't matter the
climb mountains, they'll do whatever. But you've got to dial
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in on that level. Now that sounds very new age,
it doesn't sound very beige rugby fanded.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
I used to be a cop.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Let's do it this way, does it exactly, And that's
what we've had for the last few years. I'm not
saying that the likes of hands and and Faster and
I haven't been successful, because they have. But it's a
new era and someone like Scott who was so odd
and that really it should we hope tap it like
it has done with the Crusaders, right. So that's why
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I don't want to give him any leve room. I
want to see him hit the ground running with the
flames at his feet, excited by it.
Speaker 12 (23:03):
But he's going to be because he's that sort of person.
He is not going to risk tradition. What he will
risk is going forward and making sure that these new
players understand an actual fact. I think it goes deeper
than that. He's going to make rugby and kids want
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to play rugby, and that is so key.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
You want to get that passion. Don't you want to
wind that up? You want to whoop that out and go, wow.
Speaker 11 (23:36):
I want to do this.
Speaker 12 (23:38):
Look at that what he's going to do. That's what
he's going to.
Speaker 11 (23:41):
Do, I hope.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
So, Paul and I thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Seven to thirty two Sports Talk, Care and News Talk
z B lines are open O eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty Do you give him much wiggle room?
Do you give him much learring? Paul said, we don't
need to because he's not going to get beaten. It's
going to be fantastic. What do you say, hey, Conrad, Yeah.
Speaker 13 (24:00):
Hi, Darthy, Yeah, Look, I'm just concerned that do you
know who off top of head of the referee?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yes, I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I read it two days ago and it's his only
refereed producer and is going to find his name now
he's going to it's only.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Refereed I think the All Blacks three times and one
of them was against one of them was Argentina last year.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I yeah, so I'm sure Australian or no. I've got
to get I can't. I can't remember his name. I
remember looking at it and reading it. Armasha Kelly is
his name? That's whereabouts is he from? Ants will let
me know.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I don't think it's really relevant where he's from as long.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
As I make is that.
Speaker 13 (24:53):
I think just to think about things like cards and
so forth. Is the TMO Referee Combination going to be
refereeing the Visa v World Cup two?
Speaker 3 (25:01):
G don't?
Speaker 13 (25:03):
Is it going to be refereed Visa v. Super rug
in twenty twenty four?
Speaker 7 (25:07):
I just.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You know, Conraid, you know which way it's going to go. Sure,
the guy's from Georgia, by the way, Well and well.
Speaker 13 (25:17):
Okay, well I assume it's going to be referee the
World Cup. Way, if that's the case, they hear me
give an example. Let's say, for example the TMO. That's
the TMO intervene or only when the referee are things
intervene that kind of thing. Now, the other thing is
one card could change this Innsiet think. I love your
previous call enthusiasm, but what if Scott Eric gets to
retard up for five minutes?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Everybody has that fear, that back monkey of Scott Barrett's discipline,
don't they You can't shake it yet?
Speaker 13 (25:47):
Well, well, well if he I mean, I mean I
noticed in the media they said he'd changed, he changed
his technique. But that doesn't happen overnight. There must take
a year or eighteen months for the you know, the
top guys like Robertson or whoever else to drill that
into him. Particularly, I think it's into a technic. He's
quite tall. Late, it's got Barrett he's what six.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Times yeah, I don't know the exact height, but he's
not hold.
Speaker 13 (26:08):
On, so hold on, he's going to go tackling someone
who's like Joe Marler, who's like five nine or something. Right,
that's hid on, kid, very there's a big risk of that,
but anyway, I'll just thieve that that the other callers think.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
About and on that cameray, we thank you for your time.
Good on you, mate, Thanks very much for your call.
One hundred eighty ten eighty. If you'd like to join
in on the conversation. Wiggle room leeway? How much do
we give Scott Razor. Robertson is one and a hell
a year. It's fourteen test matches two away in South Africa.
Speaker 14 (26:45):
There.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
You probably can give him some wiggle room. It's a
dog of a place to play rugby.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
The opening two tests, I'd say one of those gits
lost and it's going to be quite a ruckus on
the talkback lines there is To the editor, i'd really
like your thoughts on assault. Just leave you with this
from Carlton. I'd say no rope at all because the
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way they treated Foster Robinson has built up to bring
the all blacks back to the top in z Are.
You have put all their eggs in one basket. It
wasn't Robertson's fault the way insid Are clumsily blonded their
way through the Foster situation. I still believe they should
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have won that World Cup Final. Regardless of Sam Kme's indiscretion,
they had plenty of opportunity.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
They just didn't make it work.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
So Foster was nearly the great Redeemer, but he wasn't.
Will it be the same as Robertson one ten eighty
your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
How much wiggle room?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
How much rope do you give Scott Robertson ahead of
this huge all black season?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
It's twenty three away from the.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Sports talking on news, Talk to b Marcelo Montoya still
to come on the show.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Eighty ten eighty lines are open? How much room the
defenders of Ian Foster and what he did? That he
was treated poorly?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
He was treated I'd say say poorly, I'd say it
was just out and out clumsy, bony hill and rugby
they handled that.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
It was a mess.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Does Scott Robertson endure the same grief that he and
Foster did when he came in and he had a
terrible yet look nearly won the World Cup. I'm adamant
that that should have been one and people say he
redeemed it. He ended up having an amazing year of it.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
No, No, that was that was within grasp and they
didn't quite get it right.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
And I think with all Black fans and the history
of all Black rugby, we demand excellence, we demand victory,
and if you don't do it.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
It's just not good enough. Tough, it's the way it goes.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
But he was under the hammery in Foster. He got
dragged over the coals. Some of it was his own doing,
a lot of it was not the Scott Robertson get
the same grief. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. How
much wiggle room do you give this guy? I got
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a few texts for.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
In nineteen nine two. That is z B z B Darcy.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Surely Raise it is allowed to lose two teams at
home for the first time, maybe even a home series,
because that's what old mate Fozzy got. Yeah, Raiser does
need a little bit of rope. It's a new team,
heaps of new faces. But if he loses a bledislow
carp then he's dead to me and should be sacked. Okay,
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and a lot of gray ere there from muzz. I
give Scott Barrett nothing, no settling. That's how it rolls.
Consider that's how a last All Blacks captain was treated.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Hollo Darcy.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I analyze body language and Ree Robertson's all over the place.
It's a bad year for her Man New Zealand rugby.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yes it was.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Someone says Robertson was mischievous and behind the scenes undermining Foster. However,
I do hope the all Blacks go well.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Thank you for that. Hi, Jacob, where are you at
on this one?
Speaker 14 (30:52):
You mean, Darcy, I'm not support with your blacks, but
I do like watching you play. I just I think
I haven't been here twenty years now in New Zealand
and watching a lot of rugby. You obviously you're right
you don't accept failure last. But if you look at
South because records between World Cups, I mean they win
ratio drops to somewhere but around sixty percent usually if
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you check the stats. So I think if you want
to win the next World Cup, you've got to be
prepared for some failure in between that for your cycle.
And the problem is is that you don't give your
coaches and your team a lot of leeway on failure.
You know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
It's tough.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
It's they say a job even probably more stressful and
more demanding than being the Prime Minister of the country.
The pressure is a means, and I suppose that comes
with such a ridiculous recule.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
Over the years.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I don't think the Zealanders concerned by that or embarrassed
by that. That's just the way things roll over here.
Like it or not.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Right. I don't say it definitely right. It's probably not fair,
but it's not fear.
Speaker 14 (31:56):
Yeah, but you know if you got back to South Yeah, yeah,
they just seem to concentrate on work cups only and
they don't really mind their record in between those cycles.
Yeahs matter how much they lose. So it's I want
to keep it too long. But I'm just saying that
just I think you have to accept some testing and
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failure over these next four years for you to get
to peak at that World Cup rather than peaking in
between the World Cups.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Also that I'm interested in this and we've had discussions
about this before, Jacob. If you're putting all of these
eggs into this World Cup basket and you don't win,
which is what happens, let's face it.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Sometimes it's out of your control. Sometimes it's some.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Drop kick touch judge or Tmo reckons he knows more
about the game and the red eight will go on
and on and on, but it doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Then you've got the legacy of the last four years going.
What was all that lost for? Is it more important
that we win every game we play? And who cares
about the World Cup? It's just another game, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 14 (33:08):
I understand you, Yeah, I understand, but I don't think
the last couple of years you've been off your game
quite a bit. So that's that's not that's a that's
been an exception of the last two years. You just
haven't been up where you usually are.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
So hey, it promises a lot, Jacob. That's the best
thing about this weekend. Thanks so much for your time
as well. The Wires, the Dogs and the All Blacks
in the English. What a mad few el's it's going
to be. It is quarter to eight. Marcelo Montoya just
stuck in my throat, got it out, eventually joined us
next as we.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Look towards the Bulldogs and Becker.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
What was pretty fantastic when over the Broncos in the
weekends news talks here be on Sports Talk, don't you
eleven minutes away? Rocked up to Warriors HQ. Took my microphone,
found Marcelo mon had a yarn.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Here are the results. Suscy Macello Montoya joins the program.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Macello, you guys would be pretty ripped after last week,
A lot of pressure off your shoulders. I'm sure you
don't like to talk about the pressure, but you can't lie.
It must have been huge going into that match.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
I think the pressure was more so from internal.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
You know, we know the team we are, we know
how we can play when we put our foota together,
so it was more internal and more from us. I
don't pay too much attention to what happens outside. I
don't have any social media, so I don't really see
any of that kind of stuff. But in saying that,
you know it's I wouldn't say relieved because I know
the footy weekend play. But I think more importantly for us,
it's about being a bit more consistent with the way
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we want to play our game and getting our game
on a lot more.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
There would have been a wee bit of say tension,
But when you guys had all that ball at the
start but you didn't manage to convert, what was the
feeling like around there? You would have gone back to
a few of the other days game, We've got to
take advantage of this.
Speaker 7 (35:05):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
I think for us as a team, it's important to
embrace those moments. Like I said before, they got to
embrace that fight there. Team's going to come out and
defend really really well, and you know, you just should
be able to sustain that, I guess, and then stay
committed to your game. I think the perfect example was
on the weekend, watched the Melbourne Storm game against Camera
and Camera held him out the whole half. I think
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Storm scored a one trial six years at half time,
but they had all the position and Camera held them
up and Storm just kept doing it and doing it
and doing it and they ended up getting the lollies.
But you know, that's the kind of team that we
want to be to make sure when it gets tough
like that, understand that. You know we're playing that and
l so teams, teams preview us and they understand our game,
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so they're going to defend our shape as best they can.
And for us it's about not getting flustered about that,
but then also just applying the pressure, applying it and
then taking our taking the options and we can it's.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Finding that calm place isn't it going.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
If we keep fighting, we keep punching, we're eventually going
to get through. Don't panic, which is sometime what the
team does. We're going to try this miracle pass to
try something. We've got a score, but that wasn't really
around over the weekend exactly.
Speaker 7 (36:11):
And it's a great point.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
You know, we're going to make sure when we're in
that moment, just keep sticking to our game plan, like
I said, and if it doesn't come off, we stick
toward again, keep doing it until we.
Speaker 7 (36:19):
Break them somewhere else. So you know, for us, that's
what I said.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
It's it's about doing that more consistently for longer period
of time and embracing embracing that challenge when it's air.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
You've got half in the seven who's having the time
of his life right now, and tell us about the
way he's behaving around the club over the last few
weeks because he feels like he's he's really settled into
his role.
Speaker 7 (36:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
No, it's nice to see those boys play good footy,
you know. It's at the same time, it's unfortunate for Sean.
You know, I'm very close with Sean and to see
him injured it. It hurts because I know what it's
like being injured. At the same time, I feel like
those boys have come in and done an awesome job.
You know, they're really professional in the way they prep
and the way they play on the field. They're very
in sync. So look, that's going to only build stronger
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over the weeks. And I think, you know, when you
get better there and talk about.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Being profess I think Shawn's long beyond the oh my god,
someone's going to take my position because you know, in
the game of rugby league he will be back at
some stage. But he's carrying that well. He's comfortable in
that space, knowing that he's part of a team.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
Yeah, and that's why I love Sean so much. He
you know, the way he approaches his training, the way
he approaches a game. You know, he just wants to
help us get better as a team. And you know
that makes us better knowing you know what he's done.
You know, like as a player, you don't have to
talk about what he's done in the game. You know,
he's played over two and fifty r old games. He's
he's done it. You know, besides being in the comp
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he's played for his country. You know, he's won a
Golden Boot, So like, I don't need to go on
about what Shawn's done. You know, he's a freak at
the game, but just to see the other side of
him and that nurturing side of him as a player,
it's pretty cool. You know, as a person, isn't isn't
outstanding human being? And you know, I just love being
around his presence. And yeah, he's a special person.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
But that's maturity, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
The longer you've been around, the longer you've been walking
the earth and casting your shadow, the more comfortable you
come within your space.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Must be great seeing that.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
No exactly, no exactly, And it's I guess as you're
getting older, you know your role, you know what to do. Yeah,
And at the moment, he's been awesome with the way
he's being. He's working on his rehabit on his body.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
So yeah, Roger too, vasishick and but the fun over
the weekend, that's got to be good this guy.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
And you talk about hard workers, I think he might
be right up there with all of them. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
One.
Speaker 7 (38:27):
And what he brings to the team is what I
said about Sean.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
He's done everything in the game, and then he just
brings up professionalism and the way he trains away he preps.
That's the person when you see him on the field,
that's the person you want to be like, and that's
the person you want to play for. So when you
see someone like that doing it day in day out,
there's no excuses for us younger boys to be doing
it as well.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Say younger boy, you've been around a while yourself. That's
quite freaked out. You've played nearly eighty games for the Warriors.
Speaker 7 (38:54):
It's madness.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Yeah, I say young just to make me feel a
bit better, but I am catching up to those boys.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
However, it's it's pretty cool to be able to lace.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
A bit with those boys. And yeah, I mean to
play for this great club. It's very special and something
a hold close to my to my heart. I love
love being in New Zealand and love being here at
the Warriors. So yeah, hopefully can stay longer.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
In the press conference, you mentioned Big Steve Price, someone
that you really look up to. Absolute legend that blake
playing under both jerseys that you've played and too.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
How cool is it to have someone like that around
to on a gay light when on a daylight.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
When these guys turn up to talk to Oh, it's cool,
you know, just to see, I guess the legacy that
he's left in the game, not just at the Warriors,
at the and at the Bulldogs, but what he's done
for the game, and obviously playing Origin like he's he's
done at all.
Speaker 7 (39:44):
You know, he's won a comp. He's one comp.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
So he's a special person, pricey and just to see
him around it's pretty awesome. He's very dense, earth easy
to have a conversation with. And to have him me
on the weekend was pretty cool, you know, knowing that
he's known me since I was young, follow at the
Bulldogs and then he's over here coming over here to
watch us play as well, but also to see all
the other old heads as well around Like we see,
we're pretty lucky here to have Stacey Stacey Jones is
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one of our coaches. You know, what the Hofs done
for us, it's unreal as well. And then other players
around like once as well. It's you know, you forget
these guys that have won their jersey and they've you know,
put some hard, hard work into that, into that jump
or so I talked to.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Steve last week and he told me that he was
coming out and said, if you still got any old
jerseys you're going to wear And.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
He goes, oh, mate, there's no way I could fit
into any. Did he turned up on an old jersey?
They did it.
Speaker 7 (40:34):
He didn't wear one.
Speaker 6 (40:35):
But he's still a big man price he meant, he's
huge as a monster son. He didn't bring a jersey,
but we're gonna have to get him a new one.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
I reckon tell us about playing against old team. I
suppose you've been here so long now, it kind of dissiplates,
doesn't it. You don't really think too much about playing
the dog as any of you guys around from when
you were there that you still have a relationship.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
With it and like to put your shoulder through.
Speaker 6 (40:55):
Yeah, no, it's a great point. There's there's literally no
one there when I was there. It's a totally different
different club, different rosters. So but there's some people there
that I've bet that were there on the stuff when
I was there, and it's cool, you know, to catch
up with them when they're over here after the game
and stuff like that.
Speaker 7 (41:10):
But look, it's a great club. It's a great club.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
But like you said, I've been at the Warriors for
so long now it's you kind of forget that I
was there. But yeah, look obviously it wasn't for them,
I wouldn't have played an arrow. So it's you know,
like you always got to show respect in that sense.
But mate, when we go over there on the weekend,
we're going to get the two points.
Speaker 7 (41:27):
Hear it from the.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
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Speaker 13 (41:36):
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Speaker 2 (41:38):
Super nice, bloke that there's muscle on my toilet. Winning
for the one Warrior is ahead of their little drip
over the city to take on as former team the Bulldogs,
and carry on their climb up the ladder, looking to
finish somewhere in that top eight. Still two buyes to go,
still four points in the bank, and they're playing a
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couple of teams over the next few weeks that are sitting.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Below them on the ladder or near them on the ladder.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
These are a crucial i'd say four or five weeks,
and then they find themselves in a position where maybe
they are challenging and suddenly Sewan Johnson's fit again and
to mrighty, Martin's been playing the house down.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Uh oh, that's gonna be fun.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Confused on our colleagues that they talked about the Martin
Johnson situation at the Warriors because he's a rugby player.
Said no to Mighty Martin and Shawn Johnson shopping up.
Thanks Sense melicit for producing the program named Darts Water
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eighty ten eighty plainly leading in the opening test of
what will be an astounding season. I say astounding because
there's a season like no other for the All Blacks.
A brand new coach, Scott Raiser Robertson, who promises so much,
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but of course there are so many people hanging over
his head, just waiting for him to stumble to say.
I told you the lack of international experience would end
up punishing the All Blacks. That all gets underway tomorrow
for the second stage. The squad's already be named. Now
we get a team at eleven thirty tomorrow morning, and
then on Saturday night we're all up and running the
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very first Test of two up against the English in Donedia.
This will be epic and we're going to talk about
that Test match, and we're going to talk about after
we talk with Chris Jones shortly he as a BBC
commentator and rugby correspondent.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
To join me up in the studio here.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
We're going to talk around how much leeway Scott Raiser
Robertson gets. Have a listen to mister Jones about what
he says about the team, the new look England side,
what they bring, where their confidence is at, and then
look to the possibility of selections tomorrow and how much
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rope do you give Scott Robertson. That's what we're going
to discuss tonight. That's after Christy join you shortly toward
the end of the program, I rolled down to Warrior's
HQ and made a mess of the whole studio and
had a bit of a yarn and ate all their
free food and pinched some coke and tried to walk
out with a couple of jerseys, and on the way
through I saw Marcelo Montoya, so he is a perfect
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opportunity to give me the excuse as to why I'm
here walking out with the handfuls of bill. Hey, Marcelo,
your fancy a yarn and he's such a good man
he did. So you hear the result of that yarn later.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
On the piece.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Because of course they're playing the Bulldogs this weekend. That
is the team that Marcelo Montoya started playing for, So.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Back to the old called Marcello. That's still to come.
But before any of that, let's do a considerable amount.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
This sport today and in sport today, Kiwi tennis shooting
star Lulu Soon plays on London's lawn overnight, hoping to
take another scalp with Wimbledon. Leading New ceel On tennis
coach Clint Packer sees huge positives around her allegiance switch.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
When you think about her playing for News zeal And,
she's doing it basically at the start of her career.
We're going to get a decade out of her and
if you're twelve years old right now, you're potentially going
to be playing with her one day while she's in
her prime, so they're gonna need a lot of value.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Out of her.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Get In lu Lu Warriors, winger Marcelo Montoya had some
advice for Ware's hooker Freddy Lassk around his try scoring celebrations.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
I love the mun A wave and I love everyone
getting around there in New Zealand, but yeah, Freddy was
a kind of stiff arm run away. So I think
going forward, maybe flick of the wrists and it's one
of the fingers will get him.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
We're going to be better at that money wave.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
You need some style, Freddy. You've been told by Marcello,
no white lock, no retell, no worry. Senior All Black
Lock and Blues Super Rugby champion Patrick.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
A Twoey lot To isn't getting too worked up about
his job on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Continue the legacy of two All Black greats, heasy.
Speaker 8 (04:34):
No, he's obviously the get here to stand in full.
Not much changes, but in terms of the legacy those
guys have left, I've got a full dead and play well.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
He's such a calm bro, isn't there. It's like I
do this every day and nothing's gonna bother me, and
I thing he's gonna break.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Mastra don't sing.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
And Kiwi pugilist Andre Mkalovitch believes his double training stint
in Australia has sharpened his tools for.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
His upcoming crack and a couple of world titles.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
The peach Gym Fighter means for Vegas on fro Fo Day,
for the scrap on Sunday week where the WBO and
ib IF middleweight straps will be four.
Speaker 9 (05:14):
We'll go manitude of the fight. You always going to
have to put an extra seasoning on the training, so
we've been over to Aubrey for Bahren and more focused training.
Just give an extra layer or extra level of focus,
which I think is really important for file. Others need
to do demids across them tears indeed.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Not only training, a bit of basic grammar.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
And that the right call is your sport today.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And it gives me a great pleasure to welcome into
the studio from the BBC from Mother England Chris Jones,
who's traveling over here to follow the English round and
what could be a groundbreaking couple of matches for the
English like Spectris and welcome to the show that this
team have got their tails up, knowing how fresh it
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is for Scott robertson all these new guys, I.
Speaker 10 (05:59):
Knowing what's a stake. You know England had been without
going on too much about the history. They've they've been
keen to acknowledge it. You know, they've got to a
guy at the helm in Steve Bortha, who was part
of the squad the last time England were down here
winning a Test match in New Zealand, that heroic thirty
man effort in Wellington in two thousand and three. You know,
no England tea before that. One place is like Auckland
since nineteen seventy three and this England team, no one
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wins an Auckland going back to France in ninety fourth.
That's a conversation for next week when we're back here
again in Auckland. But how exciting for this young England team.
They turned things around during the Six Nations when when
they look pretty bleak post the Cowcuto Cup against Scotland,
had a big win against Ireland, pushed France close, tuned
up nicely against Japan.
Speaker 11 (06:39):
The team is settled.
Speaker 10 (06:40):
Not too many injuries, one or two at home, but
not too many and it's a team that's starting to
get a little bit of former identity.
Speaker 11 (06:46):
So yeah, what a huge opportunity talk to.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Us about the turnaround and about what the or Blecks
can expect, because this is not a door English team
that punch you up the guts and get number teen
and get their kick in and we're they're actually playing expensive,
exciting rugby.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Where does this come from?
Speaker 10 (07:02):
So on the way up here we saw the backpage
of the Herald and Jeordi Barrett's talking about how the
fast pitch and the roof in Thenedin might benefit England, Like,
come on, what planet are we on? I thought it
was all about the white orcs on steroids and the
England forward pack that everyone's scared of, or that's the
the side of the game that people down here would
be wary of when it comes to an England side.
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But yet to have a New Zealand player talking about
an England side that might play with tempo, might play
with pace and speed and fluency is a turnaround and
it happened.
Speaker 11 (07:33):
The turnaround happened pretty fast for Iland.
Speaker 10 (07:35):
During the sixth Nations they went up to Murrayfield and
played Scotland and tried to play a little bit of rugby.
Speaker 11 (07:39):
Didn't work at all at the world.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
That was the only time they got flashed in the
sixth naw yes, wasn't it really? There is the results
even though they lost two one three, we're all reasonably.
Speaker 10 (07:49):
Was the last minute kick They've beat Ireland with a
late Marcus Smith drop goal, but play. But it was
that Island game where they started to play some really good,
as you guys would say.
Speaker 11 (07:56):
Footy and it came from just a little bit of
a tweak here.
Speaker 10 (07:59):
George Furback comes in at fullback rather than Freddie Stewart's
more of a defensive number fifteen. And I think what's
Seve Borthwick's done is like he got to the World
Cup semi final playing that pragmatic style. They pushed the
box really close in the wet of Paris, playing a
kicking game. But Steve Borthwick's looked at it and this
is England team without Mackovn a polar believe in a
polar Manitou Langy, Kyle Sinkler, big dynamic ball carriers that
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did a number on the All Blacks in twenty nineteen
in Yokohama playing a power game. Yes they moved the
ball a bit, but ultimately it was dynamic forward runners
coming in waves and.
Speaker 11 (08:33):
Steve Borthwick's looked and gone.
Speaker 10 (08:35):
Actually maybe England don't have that type of personnel, but
they do have a Manny Fair with both so they
do have a Tommy Freeman, they do have a Marcus Smith,
they do have Finn Smith. They do have an Alex
Mitchell who's worked on his kicking game loads from number nine.
Speaker 11 (08:46):
But he is a kind of quick link man in
the Aaron Smith mold.
Speaker 10 (08:49):
So he's looking at what tools he has in his
disposal and what is going to be best suited to
get England to win test matches look New Zealand away
from home. It is a complete different step and if
they did it it would be a huge achievement. But
I think it's about Borthwick seeing what he's got and
maybe evolving his coaching style to suit the players he
has his disposal.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Is this something that's been pushed on him or do
you believe his development as a coach and understanding of
the way the international game is going has suddenly stood
right in front of him with the players he's got
and go, you know what I've actually got to just
I've got to grow.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Do you believe that's what happens.
Speaker 10 (09:23):
I don't think the fundamentals of what Steve Borthwick or
any head coach wants from a team are going to change.
He wants a solid set piece. He wants to use
scrubbs to lock up a scrum, a weapon for penalties
if need be, line outs to launch an attack, a
powerful more. They've got this new defense with Felix Jones,
which is taken from the spring box.
Speaker 11 (09:41):
So all of those pillars Alex mitchell I mentioned the
kicking game.
Speaker 10 (09:44):
His box kicking has come on miles in the last year,
So all of those things he will still be desperate
to keep in place.
Speaker 11 (09:50):
What Borthwick won't want is to go right.
Speaker 10 (09:52):
If we are going to play a bit more rugby,
then the set piece will creak, or the defense will
be a little bit poorous, or the kicking won't be
as accurate, or in them won't be as good as
winning back fifty fifties in the air. All of that
he still wants, but he does want the ability to
move the Ball's now, I've got athletes.
Speaker 11 (10:07):
Like a Chandler Cunning himself.
Speaker 10 (10:08):
He was you know, raised in New Zealand, who is
a different type of you know he's he's going to
be someone who's maybe looking for gaps in the defense.
He's abrasive, but he's not not They haven't got these
big ball character are smashing through you. They might need
to break the line in slightly different ways. Ben Earl,
he's quick on his feet, he's not so big. He
can do a believe in a polar and just come
up the guts of you. But he had an outstanding,
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so standing World Cup, outstanding six Nations. You ally that
with Sam Underhill being a very good defensive player, Cunning himself.
Is this kind of dynamics dynamism. I think that England
are looking for rather than power. They need to find
ways with the person They've got to create line breaks
to get go forward, to bring power, but not in
the maybe conventional way an England team would have brought
power in the past.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Chris Jones joins us from the BBC's we take a
look at this England team before the first of two
tists being held under the roof in Dunedin over the weekend.
There is still some old school You mentioned some of
the older players have moved on, but you look at
Joe Marley, you look at Tamara Tooji In the like
quite a lot on these shoulders, you'd suggest, are they
strong enough to carry?
Speaker 10 (11:07):
I mean you mentioned Marler and Dan Cole as well.
Dan Cole's winning one hundred and fourteenth cap this weekend.
He's thirty seven. This was a guy who we thought
was done as an international prop after he'd had a
tough time at the hands of the Box in the
twenty nineteen final. What fortitude to not just keep trucking
another four or five years, but to then go toe
to toe with the Box in a semi final and
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banish some of those demons from Japan. So the fact
he's still trucking is a testament to him and Tomrlin,
who's a few years younger but still there's got a
lot of miles on the clock, winning Cap ninety five
this weekend. But that's the area of England need going forward.
They need some backup at prop. They've got options on
the flank, they've got options in the back three. They've
got these two youngish tens in Marcus Smith and Finn Smith.
They've got a good cohort of Number nine's locks. George
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Martin's only a young guy. Oli Chesham's at home injured,
he's a top player. The prop is somewhere where in
an ideal world that not as much would be on
the head or on the shoulders of Dan Cole and
Joe Marler. They're going to lock up that scrum. They're
going to do what they do. But looking forward from
an English rugby point of view, yeah, the fact that
those guys are still so much as reliant on them
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is perhaps a sign that the props aren't coming through
the way sty Borth would like, especially on the tight head.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Is there an obvious weak point?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Is there a teaenda nderbelly that possibly Robertson Scott Robertson
would look to expose that you've noticed over the season particularly, I.
Speaker 11 (12:31):
Mean they're inexperienced.
Speaker 10 (12:33):
Like you can't deny that Marcus Smith has got thirty
two thirty three caps in the bag now, but he
hasn't started a Test match at number ten in New Zealand.
I was chatting to some guys earlier this week, the
even likes of Henry Slade who's thirty one and got
sixty three caps. He's never been to New Zealand, let
alone played in Dunedin or in Eden Park. Alex Mitchell
never been to New Zealand. Guys like Ben al these
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it's uncharted territory for them. So look, I think there
are probably areas where England would like a little bit
more ballast, a touch more power, maybe that extra little.
Speaker 11 (13:05):
Bit of depth in or two positions.
Speaker 10 (13:09):
But they're they're gonna give it a go, I think,
and they're gonna if they can withstand that all black
blitz that will come at the start. Even though you
guys haven't played Test rugby for a while, still pretty
tuned from super rugby, quick surface under the roof. We've
seen Norman Hemisphere teams come down here after a long
season and get blown out the gate in the first
twenty f England can stay in the fight, then they've
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got half a chance.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I think, what about the chance of speed wobbles with
this English side trying this new expensive style you've got.
As you see youth there getting carried away with what
they're doing. You see the skeleton, the seat piece skeleton
that they flitsh out and build this monster. Is there
a chance that might be over exuberance and that might
be the beginning of they're end.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
It might actually be their downfall and then.
Speaker 10 (13:54):
The flip of that could be that they, in that
desire not to go to do too much, not to
play too much rugby, they then go into their shell
a bit and that's the you know. So if you're
Marcus Smith now who for years has has played understudy
to George Ford or to Own Farrell, you know, George
Ford's knocking one hundred caps, soon Own Farrell breeze past
that greats of English rugby. Ford's injured, Farrell's off off
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to France are no longer available, So huge opportunity for Smith.
Speaker 11 (14:20):
What's going through his head?
Speaker 10 (14:21):
Is he thinking, right, I need to play like Ford
or play like Farrell because you can't just play the
Harlequins way at home against Bath in Doneda or Eden Park.
So how he goes about his business for me is
absolutely fascinating because he'll want to show what he can do,
which is to attack, which is to look for gaps,
which is to counter. But also he'll know that they've
got to play in the right areas.
Speaker 11 (14:41):
As much as.
Speaker 10 (14:42):
England are playing more rugby than they did a year ago,
don't expect too much from their own half. I still
think territory is going to be is going to be king,
and then it's whether England can use a Tommy Freeman
user George Fairbank, use a many favor Bosa who I'm
sure New Zealand audiences know very little about to strike
when they get those opportunities.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
No need for the DMO. We've got the breakdown on
Sports Talk. Wait, news Talks.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
If you want to hear the whole lot, you can,
I'll put that online.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
It's a good eighteen minutes or so of Chris discussing
the English prospects and what they're going to be confronted
with by Scott Robinson and the energy the confidence within
the side ahead of that Test match twenty one minutes
after seven. I'll put that online News Talks, b dot
co dot NZ.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
At the end of the program. So question, let me
touched on it before. I don't know how many people.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Out there have any idea about the strengths or the
weaknesses of this English side. There'll be some mild myopia
if you had such a word within New Zealand Rugby
fans not knowing where the English are coming from. So
why I got Chris on to talk about this, about
what they're doing, what they're developing, how they are playing.
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They can't stibly put Japan away fifty three twelve off
the top of my head. And this is a team
that had some very close run games, except the game
against Scotland and the Six Nations. But it has a
whole lot of change in manpower, not unlike the All Blacks.
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And as Chris pointed out, this is not the White
Hawks pulling out broadswords and chopping their way up the middle.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
This is a different team, and it's.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Based on the style and the quality and the expression
that the players that Worthwick has selected have got.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
What they bring to the park.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
So it's a different side, as are the All Blacks.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
So the question how much rope do you give Scott Robertson,
How much leeway do.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You give Scott Robertson? What kind of chance do you
give Scott Robertson? Has he got room to fail? Has
he got room to maybe he drop the ball not
literally but figuratively and possibly both at the start of
this game. I'm going to tell you right now, I
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think we give him nothing. Habby, as you know, I
love Scott Robinson. I love what he does, I love
the way he coaches. I love the fact he's got
the All Blacks job. He is a shot in the arm.
He is going to be a breath of fresh air.
But if they get rolled at home by the English
in the first game of the season, I expect he'll
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be put to the sword by the public. Maybe you
could suggest what about the manner in which they lose?
If they do lose, does that give him.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Any wiggle room? Any leeway? I don't know if it does.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I expect victory, and I expect a wonderful display against
an English side that it may be cocker hoop, But
aren't all that. I don't think we give him any
wiggle room at all.
Speaker 11 (18:01):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
How much room do you give Scott Robinson and this
new All Black team? Do you give them a couple
of games to climb into their stride? Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. No, we demand excellence immediately. Is they're
grossly unfear course, it's twenty five past seven.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Lines are open. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. This
is news Talk ZB excellence.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Now forget the riffs. Call you make the call on
eight eight Sports Talk on your home of Sport News
Talks It balks it by.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Seven Sports Talk aeron News Talk ZB Marcelo Montoya later
on in the program, looking forward to the Warriors going
on the bounce up against the Bulldogs. Different fixture, different picture,
the length play fifth away from home. After the wonderful
win last week? Can they link up another one? She's
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getting tight in the end. We're taking your calls now though,
on the amount of room, the wiggle room, the rope
that we give Scott raisor Robinson for his first up test.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Is it too hard for someone like myself to go?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
No?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
We demand victory.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Does it have to be a polished victory?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Maybe it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Does it have to show a huge amount of spine
and heart, Yeah it does. This may be a tough call,
but I think that the standards that he demands are
particularly high.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I think that, and we've talked about this previously. The
pressure put.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Upon Scott Robertson works a treat. I think he needs that.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
I think he'll flourish and awesome and bloom under that pressure,
and hopefully these players do as well.
Speaker 12 (20:09):
Good I Paul, Hey Darth, how are you making?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Oh I'm not so bad.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 12 (20:15):
Well, I think we're under estimating Scott Robinson Robertson, because
we do, yes, we don't know what's going on in
his mind doing I reckon he starts two new caps.
He's not scared and that's where he's got to where
he is. He's not traditional the last I guess ten
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to twelve years we've dealt with this. I hope we win.
I hope we win. No, don't worry about it with him.
We will win. We won't leave a test this year.
He will try new players, he will try new things,
and I think you can sleep well knowing that England
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aren't going to be a threatened fact all the way
through this year. He will win every test convincingly.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Well, what do you base that on?
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I'm you're excited about by your excitement, but does that
come we talk about international experience? Does that come into it?
Is it purely based on what he did with the Crusaders?
Is it something about the way he talks?
Speaker 3 (21:19):
The way?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I don't what gives you this confidence, Paul.
Speaker 12 (21:24):
Because international experience and I've listened to media and all
of that, which you guys do a great job on.
But natural fact, he's not scared and that's something I
think that we've got talent. We know we've got talent,
but he gets in their heads. And I'm from Auckland,
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not from Canterbury, and I didn't like him when he
was at the Crusaders. But he gets players playing where
they feel comfortable, and he understands the role of rugby.
I don't think internationally some of the coaches actually understand
what he does.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I think it's a really good point. And I remember
talking to him once about what he does and how
he works as a coach, and he said that if
you get the minds and the hearts, if you get
the hearts specifically of the players, they will do anything
for you. They'll run through walls, it doesn't matter the
climb mountains, they'll do whatever. But you've got to dial
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in on that level. Now that sounds very new age,
it doesn't sound very beige rugby fanded.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
I used to be a cop.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Let's do it this way, does it exactly, And that's
what we've had for the last few years. I'm not
saying that the likes of hands and and Faster and
I haven't been successful, because they have. But it's a
new era and someone like Scott who was so odd
and that really it should we hope tap it like
it has done with the Crusaders, right. So that's why
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I don't want to give him any leve room. I
want to see him hit the ground running with the
flames at his feet, excited by it.
Speaker 12 (23:03):
But he's going to be because he's that sort of person.
He is not going to risk tradition. What he will
risk is going forward and making sure that these new
players understand an actual fact. I think it goes deeper
than that. He's going to make rugby and kids want
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to play rugby, and that is so key.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
You want to get that passion. Don't you want to
wind that up? You want to whoop that out and go, wow.
Speaker 11 (23:36):
I want to do this.
Speaker 12 (23:38):
Look at that what he's going to do. That's what
he's going to.
Speaker 11 (23:41):
Do, I hope.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
So, Paul and I thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Seven to thirty two Sports Talk, Care and News Talk
z B lines are open O eight one hundred and
eighty ten eighty Do you give him much wiggle room?
Do you give him much learring? Paul said, we don't
need to because he's not going to get beaten. It's
going to be fantastic. What do you say, hey, Conrad, Yeah.
Speaker 13 (24:00):
Hi, Darthy, Yeah, Look, I'm just concerned that do you
know who off top of head of the referee?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yes, I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I read it two days ago and it's his only
refereed producer and is going to find his name now
he's going to it's only.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Refereed I think the All Blacks three times and one
of them was against one of them was Argentina last year.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I yeah, so I'm sure Australian or no. I've got
to get I can't. I can't remember his name. I
remember looking at it and reading it. Armasha Kelly is
his name? That's whereabouts is he from? Ants will let
me know.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I don't think it's really relevant where he's from as long.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
As I make is that.
Speaker 13 (24:53):
I think just to think about things like cards and
so forth. Is the TMO Referee Combination going to be
refereeing the Visa v World Cup two?
Speaker 3 (25:01):
G don't?
Speaker 13 (25:03):
Is it going to be refereed Visa v. Super rug
in twenty twenty four?
Speaker 7 (25:07):
I just.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You know, Conraid, you know which way it's going to go. Sure,
the guy's from Georgia, by the way, Well and well.
Speaker 13 (25:17):
Okay, well I assume it's going to be referee the
World Cup. Way, if that's the case, they hear me
give an example. Let's say, for example the TMO. That's
the TMO intervene or only when the referee are things
intervene that kind of thing. Now, the other thing is
one card could change this Innsiet think. I love your
previous call enthusiasm, but what if Scott Eric gets to
retard up for five minutes?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Everybody has that fear, that back monkey of Scott Barrett's discipline,
don't they You can't shake it yet?
Speaker 13 (25:47):
Well, well, well if he I mean, I mean I
noticed in the media they said he'd changed, he changed
his technique. But that doesn't happen overnight. There must take
a year or eighteen months for the you know, the
top guys like Robertson or whoever else to drill that
into him. Particularly, I think it's into a technic. He's
quite tall. Late, it's got Barrett he's what six.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Times yeah, I don't know the exact height, but he's
not hold.
Speaker 13 (26:08):
On, so hold on, he's going to go tackling someone
who's like Joe Marler, who's like five nine or something. Right,
that's hid on, kid, very there's a big risk of that,
but anyway, I'll just thieve that that the other callers think.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
About and on that cameray, we thank you for your time.
Good on you, mate, Thanks very much for your call.
One hundred eighty ten eighty. If you'd like to join
in on the conversation. Wiggle room leeway? How much do
we give Scott Razor. Robertson is one and a hell
a year. It's fourteen test matches two away in South Africa.
Speaker 14 (26:45):
There.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
You probably can give him some wiggle room. It's a
dog of a place to play rugby.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
The opening two tests, I'd say one of those gits
lost and it's going to be quite a ruckus on
the talkback lines there is To the editor, i'd really
like your thoughts on assault. Just leave you with this
from Carlton. I'd say no rope at all because the
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way they treated Foster Robinson has built up to bring
the all blacks back to the top in z Are.
You have put all their eggs in one basket. It
wasn't Robertson's fault the way insid Are clumsily blonded their
way through the Foster situation. I still believe they should
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have won that World Cup Final. Regardless of Sam Kme's indiscretion,
they had plenty of opportunity.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
They just didn't make it work.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
So Foster was nearly the great Redeemer, but he wasn't.
Will it be the same as Robertson one ten eighty
your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
How much wiggle room?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
How much rope do you give Scott Robertson ahead of
this huge all black season?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
It's twenty three away from the.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Sports talking on news, Talk to b Marcelo Montoya still
to come on the show.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Eighty ten eighty lines are open? How much room the
defenders of Ian Foster and what he did? That he
was treated poorly?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
He was treated I'd say say poorly, I'd say it
was just out and out clumsy, bony hill and rugby
they handled that.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
It was a mess.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Does Scott Robertson endure the same grief that he and
Foster did when he came in and he had a
terrible yet look nearly won the World Cup. I'm adamant
that that should have been one and people say he
redeemed it. He ended up having an amazing year of it.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
No, No, that was that was within grasp and they
didn't quite get it right.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
And I think with all Black fans and the history
of all Black rugby, we demand excellence, we demand victory,
and if you don't do it.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
It's just not good enough. Tough, it's the way it goes.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
But he was under the hammery in Foster. He got
dragged over the coals. Some of it was his own doing,
a lot of it was not the Scott Robertson get
the same grief. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. How
much wiggle room do you give this guy? I got
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a few texts for.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
In nineteen nine two. That is z B z B Darcy.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Surely Raise it is allowed to lose two teams at
home for the first time, maybe even a home series,
because that's what old mate Fozzy got. Yeah, Raiser does
need a little bit of rope. It's a new team,
heaps of new faces. But if he loses a bledislow
carp then he's dead to me and should be sacked. Okay,
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and a lot of gray ere there from muzz. I
give Scott Barrett nothing, no settling. That's how it rolls.
Consider that's how a last All Blacks captain was treated.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Hollo Darcy.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I analyze body language and Ree Robertson's all over the place.
It's a bad year for her Man New Zealand rugby.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yes it was.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Someone says Robertson was mischievous and behind the scenes undermining Foster. However,
I do hope the all Blacks go well.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Thank you for that. Hi, Jacob, where are you at
on this one?
Speaker 14 (30:52):
You mean, Darcy, I'm not support with your blacks, but
I do like watching you play. I just I think
I haven't been here twenty years now in New Zealand
and watching a lot of rugby. You obviously you're right
you don't accept failure last. But if you look at
South because records between World Cups, I mean they win
ratio drops to somewhere but around sixty percent usually if
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you check the stats. So I think if you want
to win the next World Cup, you've got to be
prepared for some failure in between that for your cycle.
And the problem is is that you don't give your
coaches and your team a lot of leeway on failure.
You know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
It's tough.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
It's they say a job even probably more stressful and
more demanding than being the Prime Minister of the country.
The pressure is a means, and I suppose that comes
with such a ridiculous recule.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
Over the years.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I don't think the Zealanders concerned by that or embarrassed
by that. That's just the way things roll over here.
Like it or not.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Right. I don't say it definitely right. It's probably not fair,
but it's not fear.
Speaker 14 (31:56):
Yeah, but you know if you got back to South Yeah, yeah,
they just seem to concentrate on work cups only and
they don't really mind their record in between those cycles.
Yeahs matter how much they lose. So it's I want
to keep it too long. But I'm just saying that
just I think you have to accept some testing and
(32:18):
failure over these next four years for you to get
to peak at that World Cup rather than peaking in
between the World Cups.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Also that I'm interested in this and we've had discussions
about this before, Jacob. If you're putting all of these
eggs into this World Cup basket and you don't win,
which is what happens, let's face it.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Sometimes it's out of your control. Sometimes it's some.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Drop kick touch judge or Tmo reckons he knows more
about the game and the red eight will go on
and on and on, but it doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Then you've got the legacy of the last four years going.
What was all that lost for? Is it more important
that we win every game we play? And who cares
about the World Cup? It's just another game, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 14 (33:08):
I understand you, Yeah, I understand, but I don't think
the last couple of years you've been off your game
quite a bit. So that's that's not that's a that's
been an exception of the last two years. You just
haven't been up where you usually are.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
So hey, it promises a lot, Jacob. That's the best
thing about this weekend. Thanks so much for your time
as well. The Wires, the Dogs and the All Blacks
in the English. What a mad few el's it's going
to be. It is quarter to eight. Marcelo Montoya just
stuck in my throat, got it out, eventually joined us
next as we.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Look towards the Bulldogs and Becker.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
What was pretty fantastic when over the Broncos in the
weekends news talks here be on Sports Talk, don't you
eleven minutes away? Rocked up to Warriors HQ. Took my microphone,
found Marcelo mon had a yarn.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Here are the results. Suscy Macello Montoya joins the program.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Macello, you guys would be pretty ripped after last week,
A lot of pressure off your shoulders. I'm sure you
don't like to talk about the pressure, but you can't lie.
It must have been huge going into that match.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
I think the pressure was more so from internal.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
You know, we know the team we are, we know
how we can play when we put our foota together,
so it was more internal and more from us. I
don't pay too much attention to what happens outside. I
don't have any social media, so I don't really see
any of that kind of stuff. But in saying that,
you know it's I wouldn't say relieved because I know
the footy weekend play. But I think more importantly for us,
it's about being a bit more consistent with the way
(34:48):
we want to play our game and getting our game
on a lot more.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
There would have been a wee bit of say tension,
But when you guys had all that ball at the
start but you didn't manage to convert, what was the
feeling like around there? You would have gone back to
a few of the other days game, We've got to
take advantage of this.
Speaker 7 (35:05):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
I think for us as a team, it's important to
embrace those moments. Like I said before, they got to
embrace that fight there. Team's going to come out and
defend really really well, and you know, you just should
be able to sustain that, I guess, and then stay
committed to your game. I think the perfect example was
on the weekend, watched the Melbourne Storm game against Camera
and Camera held him out the whole half. I think
(35:27):
Storm scored a one trial six years at half time,
but they had all the position and Camera held them
up and Storm just kept doing it and doing it
and doing it and they ended up getting the lollies.
But you know, that's the kind of team that we
want to be to make sure when it gets tough
like that, understand that. You know we're playing that and
l so teams, teams preview us and they understand our game,
(35:47):
so they're going to defend our shape as best they can.
And for us it's about not getting flustered about that,
but then also just applying the pressure, applying it and
then taking our taking the options and we can it's.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Finding that calm place isn't it going.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
If we keep fighting, we keep punching, we're eventually going
to get through. Don't panic, which is sometime what the
team does. We're going to try this miracle pass to
try something. We've got a score, but that wasn't really
around over the weekend exactly.
Speaker 7 (36:11):
And it's a great point.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
You know, we're going to make sure when we're in
that moment, just keep sticking to our game plan, like
I said, and if it doesn't come off, we stick
toward again, keep doing it until we.
Speaker 7 (36:19):
Break them somewhere else. So you know, for us, that's
what I said.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
It's it's about doing that more consistently for longer period
of time and embracing embracing that challenge when it's air.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
You've got half in the seven who's having the time
of his life right now, and tell us about the
way he's behaving around the club over the last few
weeks because he feels like he's he's really settled into
his role.
Speaker 7 (36:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
No, it's nice to see those boys play good footy,
you know. It's at the same time, it's unfortunate for Sean.
You know, I'm very close with Sean and to see
him injured it. It hurts because I know what it's
like being injured. At the same time, I feel like
those boys have come in and done an awesome job.
You know, they're really professional in the way they prep
and the way they play on the field. They're very
in sync. So look, that's going to only build stronger
(37:02):
over the weeks. And I think, you know, when you
get better there and talk about.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Being profess I think Shawn's long beyond the oh my god,
someone's going to take my position because you know, in
the game of rugby league he will be back at
some stage. But he's carrying that well. He's comfortable in
that space, knowing that he's part of a team.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
Yeah, and that's why I love Sean so much. He
you know, the way he approaches his training, the way
he approaches a game. You know, he just wants to
help us get better as a team. And you know
that makes us better knowing you know what he's done.
You know, like as a player, you don't have to
talk about what he's done in the game. You know,
he's played over two and fifty r old games. He's
he's done it. You know, besides being in the comp
(37:40):
he's played for his country. You know, he's won a
Golden Boot, So like, I don't need to go on
about what Shawn's done. You know, he's a freak at
the game, but just to see the other side of
him and that nurturing side of him as a player,
it's pretty cool. You know, as a person, isn't isn't
outstanding human being? And you know, I just love being
around his presence. And yeah, he's a special person.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
But that's maturity, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
The longer you've been around, the longer you've been walking
the earth and casting your shadow, the more comfortable you
come within your space.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Must be great seeing that.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
No exactly, no exactly, And it's I guess as you're
getting older, you know your role, you know what to do. Yeah,
And at the moment, he's been awesome with the way
he's being. He's working on his rehabit on his body.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
So yeah, Roger too, vasishick and but the fun over
the weekend, that's got to be good this guy.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
And you talk about hard workers, I think he might
be right up there with all of them. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
One.
Speaker 7 (38:27):
And what he brings to the team is what I
said about Sean.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
He's done everything in the game, and then he just
brings up professionalism and the way he trains away he preps.
That's the person when you see him on the field,
that's the person you want to be like, and that's
the person you want to play for. So when you
see someone like that doing it day in day out,
there's no excuses for us younger boys to be doing
it as well.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Say younger boy, you've been around a while yourself. That's
quite freaked out. You've played nearly eighty games for the Warriors.
Speaker 7 (38:54):
It's madness.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Yeah, I say young just to make me feel a
bit better, but I am catching up to those boys.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
However, it's it's pretty cool to be able to lace.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
A bit with those boys. And yeah, I mean to
play for this great club. It's very special and something
a hold close to my to my heart. I love
love being in New Zealand and love being here at
the Warriors. So yeah, hopefully can stay longer.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
In the press conference, you mentioned Big Steve Price, someone
that you really look up to. Absolute legend that blake
playing under both jerseys that you've played and too.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
How cool is it to have someone like that around
to on a gay light when on a daylight.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
When these guys turn up to talk to Oh, it's cool,
you know, just to see, I guess the legacy that
he's left in the game, not just at the Warriors,
at the and at the Bulldogs, but what he's done
for the game, and obviously playing Origin like he's he's
done at all.
Speaker 7 (39:44):
You know, he's won a comp. He's one comp.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
So he's a special person, pricey and just to see
him around it's pretty awesome. He's very dense, earth easy
to have a conversation with. And to have him me
on the weekend was pretty cool, you know, knowing that
he's known me since I was young, follow at the
Bulldogs and then he's over here coming over here to
watch us play as well, but also to see all
the other old heads as well around Like we see,
we're pretty lucky here to have Stacey Stacey Jones is
(40:07):
one of our coaches. You know, what the Hofs done
for us, it's unreal as well. And then other players
around like once as well. It's you know, you forget
these guys that have won their jersey and they've you know,
put some hard, hard work into that, into that jump
or so I talked to.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Steve last week and he told me that he was
coming out and said, if you still got any old
jerseys you're going to wear And.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
He goes, oh, mate, there's no way I could fit
into any. Did he turned up on an old jersey?
They did it.
Speaker 7 (40:34):
He didn't wear one.
Speaker 6 (40:35):
But he's still a big man price he meant, he's
huge as a monster son. He didn't bring a jersey,
but we're gonna have to get him a new one.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
I reckon tell us about playing against old team. I
suppose you've been here so long now, it kind of dissiplates,
doesn't it. You don't really think too much about playing
the dog as any of you guys around from when
you were there that you still have a relationship.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
With it and like to put your shoulder through.
Speaker 6 (40:55):
Yeah, no, it's a great point. There's there's literally no
one there when I was there. It's a totally different
different club, different rosters. So but there's some people there
that I've bet that were there on the stuff when
I was there, and it's cool, you know, to catch
up with them when they're over here after the game
and stuff like that.
Speaker 7 (41:10):
But look, it's a great club. It's a great club.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
But like you said, I've been at the Warriors for
so long now it's you kind of forget that I
was there. But yeah, look obviously it wasn't for them,
I wouldn't have played an arrow. So it's you know,
like you always got to show respect in that sense.
But mate, when we go over there on the weekend,
we're going to get the two points.
Speaker 7 (41:27):
Hear it from the.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
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Speaker 13 (41:36):
It be.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Super nice, bloke that there's muscle on my toilet. Winning
for the one Warrior is ahead of their little drip
over the city to take on as former team the Bulldogs,
and carry on their climb up the ladder, looking to
finish somewhere in that top eight. Still two buyes to go,
still four points in the bank, and they're playing a
(41:58):
couple of teams over the next few weeks that are sitting.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Below them on the ladder or near them on the ladder.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
These are a crucial i'd say four or five weeks,
and then they find themselves in a position where maybe
they are challenging and suddenly Sewan Johnson's fit again and
to mrighty, Martin's been playing the house down.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Uh oh, that's gonna be fun.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Confused on our colleagues that they talked about the Martin
Johnson situation at the Warriors because he's a rugby player.
Said no to Mighty Martin and Shawn Johnson shopping up.
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