October 16, 2024 • 43 mins
ZB's own D'Arcy Waldegrave returns to recap a full day in the world of sport! Highlights for tonight include:
Warren Lees - Former Blackcaps Coach - On why India are so have to beat at home?
Tacko Fall - Former NBA Star - On joining up with the New Zealand Breakers for 'training' purposes?
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Today. How are you would be a bit more formal
than that, good evening and welcome into sports Talk. My
name is Darcy walder Grave. Welcome to the show myself,
yourself and some randoms who are obviously engaged in sport.
Otherwise it wouldn't be here. That's our plan for tonight.
We're going to take your calls eventually. Eight hundred eighty
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ten eighty three phone number nation wide N nine two.
That's the text line. Texted text chart does apply. I
guess of an evening Taco four from O NBA player
suited up for the Cavaliers and the Celtics. Looks like
he's going out to play for the Breakers. Possibly it's
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all a bit You're not really sure, you're not really
that commensal. But he's coming over here with his family, right,
You wouldn't just be coming over here with his family
to train police anyway, we'll find out more than big
Feller and he's here, a huge fellow, three hundred pounds
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and seven foot six in old money who yep, one
of the tallest ever. I don't know if there's been
anyone taller in the NBL, right, I don't know, be
a stretch of the NBA, but anyway, we'll catch up
with him later on on the piece. Looking forward to
that one, we're gonna kick things off with Warren Lee's
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form a black Cap former black Caps test coach. Black
Caps chances are beating India pretty remote, although they're good
at the moment because it's still wet, it's not complete.
They managed to get through an entire session unscathed, not
that they've left the hotel room. So thirty six tests,
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two victories. That's New Zealand and India. Why is it
so hard? Why can't we beat India at home? Why
do we struggle on the subcontinent? It's in away game,
it's in their own backyard. Granted it's not easy, but
it's just becomes it's almost an impossibility. I want to
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know why, and then I'll get your thoughts on that
ill eight hundred eighty ten eighty piece it together. It
shouldn't technically be that hard, should it? Let me know
why it is? How we can solve it? On eight
hundred eighty ten. That is our conversation piece, and should
the game get going. I'll let you know, but don't
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hold your breath because you'll turn blue in your head,
will pop off the weather. It is not looking good
right away from that onto this today nine after seven
sports today rain in India during a test match. Sure
why not? The thunderstorms are coming. Thunderstorms are here and
thunderstorms may well be sticking around. So the new Skipeton.
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Latham's got a couple of selections to ponder, which he'll
still be pondering now from the hotel, Room three prong
seam attack. Maybe is Tim off the hook? Will you
ever leave the hotel?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Obviously work at being undercovers for longer duration and it
not necessarily being as hot as what we would usually
expect here.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So yeah, I guess that potentially brings the fast battles
into play. Possibly he's not under contract yet, but skyscraping
x NBA player at tackle falls on the way to
Auckland's train with the Breakers. Two point two two nine
meters center was set to play in the short Americans
sojourn that was ruled out with injury. He saw enough though.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I was really looking forward to, you know, getting to
know that, getting to know the individuals kind of just
planned to mess with the team a little bit. Shay
they play and everything, and you know, I think it
went pretty well.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
All Black coach Scott Robertson has explained why Hoskins Setutu
is out of the All Black fifteen Northern Tour. The
Blues Lucy was odds on a chance to pick up
an a bee jersey for the trail of loose Ford's
cut down with injury, but Sotutu he's under a.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Cloud as well.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Both medical groups, the Counties and their all back medical
crew got together and they decided, you know, you like
to get through this tour that's probably stipped too far
from them, So you know, look, he's looking at options
if it's you know, every story.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Drinking and the White fans know their opponent. On Saturday morning,
in the West Indies beat England to earned the right
to fight for a place in the Women's A twenty
World Cup final. English skipper hit a Night conceded on
Sky TV that the West Indian women's way warranted the win.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
Wow, they boughted brilliantly. Probably we bought a little bit
too short. There's a little bit more bouncing off ours
than we've been used to thought they played it well,
really took the game to us. So I think that
partnership between Haley and Joseph was top qualiteam.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
And that's sport today. Eleven minutes after seven, we'd been
joined by Warren Lee. Shortly but before we chat with
the former black Caps Test coach. Last time the New
Zealanders won a Test match in India was way back
in nineteen eighty eight. This is what it sounded like.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
Match was playing a brilliant Fiboa Shasti clean boat, rowing away,
playing two of the outside and Hadley as roll Shati.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
For seventy two build. Oh tremendous. Does that take you back?
Get it around the radio in the middle of the
eight listing to that gorgeous commentary What had been before
Brian Moddle's time. Oh okay, this may be a bit
of a stretch, but there it is. Nineteen eighty eight.
That's been a while. Warren Lee's that joins us now,
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former black Caps Test coach. Well, let's face it, Warren,
this is nine impossible for us to beat the Indians
at home.
Speaker 8 (06:36):
Yeah, nearly every impossible. You can't say that, but you
can now till we say that we're not going to
be the confident team out of it too. We're not
going to be paying low money at the TV where
we really have got it back to the wall, especially
after the last game, two games in Tri Lanka, the
injuries we've had, and also just the fact that we're
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playing itast India and India, and I think there's something
that a lot of the players are going to have
to change the tactics from what we've been in the
last few weeks.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Have they got the ability to do that based on
what you've seen, Do you think they've actually got the
Wherewithulham and the captaincy I suppose more is the point
now that Lathan's in there and the coaching staff to
radically change what they're doing to try and tip Indoa.
Speaker 8 (07:21):
Frankly, I was pretty disappointed and the way they played
the games in Trilanka. I know we it was too
nill and we last and we came home town between
our legs, but the way we played Test match cricket
was like taking a twenty twenty game out into the
middle and saying, let's just hit as far as we
can and see what happened. Tess created is completely different,
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and the players don't play a lot of it now,
and they've also that their money comes from other sources
than Tess cricket, so they've got to turn their whole
thinking around and think time they've got a bat ball
by ball, runs don't really are accumulated in India and
therefore you don't smash the ball to the boundary very often.
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All those things would have been lessons they learned. And
let's you see in the next five days where they
can carry some of those things down. There'll be one
or two players really hurting about the way they played.
We've learned a lesson, but I don't know where they
can actually carry it out because we can't get away
from the fact we're playing against world champions. We're playing
against the team that's confident. They nearly always went at home,
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and we've got all the other things against us because
we're the visiting side.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Back in the old days, Warren Lees, touring India was
more than difficult, and there was a lot of reasons
behind that. There was the conditions that players weren't used to,
as far as the heat and the dust balls they
played in. There was the food that was served up
to them, which really didn't agree with a lot of people.
The accommodation maybe wasn't up to scratch. But in this
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day and age, the players spend a lot of time
over there playing in the IPL. The nutrition in the
food is a very different kettle of fish. The accommodation
and the like is a top class. Do you think
though the historic nature of touring India, there's still a
hangover there with touring teams. They feel like they're under
the pump, even though intentionally they're actually not as bad
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as they used to be.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
No, there's certainly things have certainly improved. I mean you
did right. The players play all around the world now,
they play in different T twenty competitions. They travel it
away from home a lot, so things like food, homesickness,
the tiredness twenty twenty isn't taking a lot out of them,
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By the way, all those things are completely different. And
the conditions you're playing. It's hot. We know that the
pitchers are normally dry and dusty, especially when you're talking
about Test cricket. It's going to spin, the ball won't
bounce consistently. But on top of that, you've got to
realize that it's the team we're playing against, and it's
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the two teams have eleven players play against each other.
One coming in very very confident looking at the New
Zealand team that have been losing recently, as I say,
losing players as well, and the other team coming from
a Sri Lanka beating and playing against some of the best,
very best players in the world. And it's hard. It's
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easy for the coach to say, look, this is the
way we want to play it. Does everyone agree? And
everyone not in the dressing room and put your hand
up if you think we've got a chance, all the
hands go up. But actually when you go out in
the middle, it's a completely different feeling for a lot
of players. Collectively, yeah, rah rah, we're going to go.
We're going to really take it to India. But individually, inside,
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I don't know that many of these players actually believe.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
That Warren Lee's joins us here on sports Talk. A
lot of things have to go your way in order
to beat India in a Test series in their backyard.
This we know, but let's face it, really all honesty,
this is a very good cricket team India and regardless
of the heat, all the conditions, all are the so
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called doctored pictures or whatever you want. It's a very
good cricket team and you focus on that. That's that's
half the journey, surely.
Speaker 8 (11:21):
Yeah. And sometimes when you look back, if you if
you finished a career in the game, you look back
and sometimes it's not the wins and the losses. Sometimes
it's playing really well when everything's against you, and you
look back and say, well, we didn't quite win the game,
but by god, we gave them a fright and they
were so full of stars, and we were desperately trying
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to find players because of late injuries and people flying
in late, and people even having to play under duress
because they've they're out of form and they're slightly injured.
Sometimes you can look back and get pleasure out of
really taking it to the right to the down end
of the game. And I think that's an attitude that
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it's hard to actually explain that the goods Edger, that
John Wright, the fighters who used to fight and desperately
go out there. We need players to be doing that.
And unfortunately, some of our players at the top of
the order. When you think of you know, Givin Conway
badly out of touch. Tom Latham would really be well
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suited to playing in these conditions because you're great player
has spin bowlers. But we've got players who haven't scored
runs recently and they haven't got to re establish their
attitude to the game. We accept it in India a
good side. Of course we are and that's what that's
why it's called to test. It would be called something else.
It was an easy game to play, but it's called
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to test because you're tested against the other team and
that's a determined their determination that all our players have
got actually work out their game plan. So keet having
the sexes and the flashy falls and getting a quick thirty,
a quick thirty is nothing when you're playing in India
against India, and that's something they've just got to quietly
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put aside and say this is my day. Someone will
do that. Someone in this team will surprise everyone in
the next five days.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Warren Lee is the odds are packed against any team
playing away from home because the home team controls the conditions.
That's a nature of test cricket. That's what makes it
so appealing, surely touring India, playing India in their conditions,
and even when other teams come and play us in
our conditions. The victory is so much sweeter if you
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get it done. A test is a test, dear right.
Speaker 8 (13:45):
And the pitch. We know what the pitches are like historically,
no matter who goes there, whether it be the best
teams in the world or you know, the England, the Australians,
the South Africa, the New Zealanders, it's the same for
every team. And to turn out and say well, it's
foreign and when it turned more than we thought and
it was a minefield to bat on and they prepared
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their own pictures is just self made excuses really, because
we know what it's like and we do play all
around the world now and we know it's going to
be hot, because it's no different to India coming to
New Zealand for a tour, and historically New Zealand correct
used to see them straight to Cary's book where it's
as cold as and the basements where with green years ago,
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and the ball would seem around. I mean every country
is doing it, it's just that some countries have got
conditions more conducive to this sort of players. They've got
so the excuses about the pitch don't and We're not
used to it. They don't hold water anymore. You've just
got to go and overcome that. And that's why it's called,
as I say, it's called a Test match.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
We've got the breakdown on Sports Talk.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Warren Lee's former New Zealan onto cricket player and more
importantly coach of the national side. Why can't New Zealand
beat India over there? Spread it out? Why can't anyone
beat India over there? Are they that good? A pile
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of reasons, the anatomy of a disaster, which has spoken
about a lot, not saying that Test victories from India
at home or a disaster. They are for the tourists,
fantastic for the locals. So many parameters here to look at,
and you'd suggest that India just have the edge in
all of them. Or is it a little simple?
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Now?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Are they just that good? Do the conditions in their
favor which everybody prepares? Are they that advantageous? Because it
is so difficult over there that it really tips the
balance ridiculously toward the home side.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
How do we do it?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
How does any team go to India and win? What
does it actually take? Eleven men on eleven men? Yep,
conditions are a little interesting. I wonder if the psychology
with the visiting teams they've already beaten before they've got there,
or the Indians are so terrified of losing at home
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that they grow extra arms and legs. And it's not
a case of people losing to Indians. These Indians just
won't be beaten at home. And it's the national sport
after all. Passionate that the whole shooting match is run
by the Border Control Cricket India. They own the game.
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Let's face it, really interesting looking at their results of
recent times to be trawling back through the stats as
when India last lost a Test series at home England
and India twenty twelve, two thousand and thirteen two one.
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They lost in a four test series two to one.
It just doesn't happen. The Australians have done it. But
again that was that was the past. It was so
far in the past. So tell me why are they
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so hard to beat at home? Is it right and
fair that they can have that dominance? Personally, I think
it's fantastic. I love to see it. As Warren was
saying around a test that it is a true test
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and I was talking with producer Andy Darf before about it,
saying the beauty of playing a prominent team like India
in their own backyard. When you do win, the victory
is so sweet. The effort has been one hundred percent plus.
If there's such a thing, everything's worked and you really
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deserve victory. It must make the champagne taste that much better.
And he said, yeah, right, but we haven't done it,
so you know, it's a very good point. Nineteen eighty eight.
That is a that is a long time ago. And
I've been corrected by somebody India's national sports hockey, not cricket.
Sorry about that. Haven't lived in India or I'm not
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an Indian national myself. I was convinced it was cricket.
I'm sorry, thank you very much for correcting me. Indeed,
if that is the case, why that's so hard to
beat it home? What is the major advantage they have?
Is it one thing? Is it the series like the
anatomy of a disaster? Is there a number of situations
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that fall in their favor? What does it take? Tell me? O?
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty attitude of psychology? Does the
conditions have to change? Do you have to cheat? What
do you how do you do this?
Speaker 8 (19:25):
No?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Stop, don't mention sampaper Andy Duff because I'll say it
on air and then I'll get it. Oh, it's twenty
five minutes after seven lines are wrapping. Eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. Do you know if the Test match gets underway?
Tell me how you beat the Indians away? And look,
if you're an Indian cricket fan, you used to live
in India. You're still an Indian fan over here? Why
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are they so good? Talk to me about your team?
What puts them apart? At home? Where's the advantage? O?
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Speaker 2 (20:07):
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Speaker 2 (20:38):
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happens here? What is the distinct advantage that Indian cricket
has over pretty much everybody else? Oh eight one hundred
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Why is this?
Speaker 9 (21:07):
I various reasons. One, they have got a vast pool
of talent to filter through the system, so you pretty
much by the time you get to the top where
or other you get to the bottom the filter, you
have got the absolute best of the best. Cricket is
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realistically the only sport the country really backs itself with fully.
Like you know, the people, the money, the culture, the celebration,
everything is thrown at.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Cricket, yes, but but shirt when they two are they're
a was donerant at all. So what is it about home?
You may have the best of the best, the best
of living players in an enormous place, but they can't
apply that if sure like they can at home. So
what's what's the home advantage? What is it that they've got?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
See?
Speaker 9 (22:02):
Even when I ve in New Zealand for like twenty
two plus years, now, can I go back to India?
Speaker 7 (22:07):
Right?
Speaker 9 (22:07):
Now there's a period when I am unsettled with the environment. Okay,
I am from there. It takes time to absorb that place,
you know, or let it come to you. People don't
realize how important that is. Now, if you are going
to India, you need to allow yourself a week or
two just to settle in and really get your fearings together.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Well, I said, I've never been, and one day I
should like to go because I've been told it is
the most gobs making experience and you are just simply
cannot prepare yourself for it. So what specifically about it
that would overawe cricketers playing in a pitch in an
area in a stadium that's not unlike most cricket pitches.
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What's the exterory that we don't know about that? Really?
Can you see it? It takes you a week to work
out what's going on? You're Indian? What's the upset here?
Speaker 7 (22:58):
See?
Speaker 9 (22:58):
I absolutely love India and in saying that, it's organized chaos,
which is accepted by all Indians, and it takes a
bit of time to accept that and to allow that
to grow into you. And it is available just about
everywhere you tap your finger too. So you know, and
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the brain needs to be conditioned to that, and that
has a downstream impact on everything that you do psychologically,
how you prepare yourself. You know, how grounded you get,
how quickly you get, because at the end of the day,
you know if you need to have the right composure
to play at the international level, and to get to
that level of composure sometimes in a location like India,
it takes time.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
This is not fascinating because I've been told that how
hard it is to acclimatize. And it's not this food
or temperature or anything. It's just when you say organized chaos.
It's something that Indians accept, but I'm interested that it
can actually infiltrate a game over there. Oh sha it,
By the bye, what is the national sport of India?
Because someone's now it takes me and said they haven't
got a national sport. It's not hockey or or cricket
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or anything. Is it a national sport?
Speaker 9 (24:08):
I believe it is hockey, but I wouldn't put a
finger on on that yet unless I confirm that I believe.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
So, so here's another question for you. Then will you go?
And thanks so much? After that, it's only been a
couple of occasions in the two thousands that India have
actually been beaten at him. The English did it to
them twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, the South Africans drew with
them in nineteen Australians beat them in four h five
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and then way back turn of the century ninety nine
Io the South Africans beat them. What of those teams
had that let them do that? Was it just that?
Was Indian cricket just pour?
Speaker 9 (24:47):
Then? No, they were all confident. They had the right
They almost always have the right level of confidence. When
a team grows over confident, you know, I'd call it
pride comes before a downfall, a mixture of that. Possibly
the team was weak, you know the team, the Indian
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cricket team in India, when it is grounded, it's almost
impossible to be because they prepare themselves to an optimum
level where they know they will cut the mark.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
When the Indians get beaten in home and Test series
od I T twenty doesn't merits. It's hitting and giggle
and it tests. Is what's three action like? In the public, Well,
how do they behave? What do they do when it
comes to their their idols? Is their aggression is their outrage?
Is there sorrow because I'm sure that the Indian players
must carry that around the fear of losing at home.
Speaker 9 (25:44):
See absolutely See Test cricket is real cricket. That's the
way I look at it. Like it is the old
school cricket and cricket in its purest form. And when
you lose a Test cricket that really opens up scars
for you. And if you can perform well in Test cricket,
I think cricket originated from there. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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At least that's what I know.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Do the public get angry, then you're right in the
street and the newspapers go. So it's really not a
nice place to be. It's like if the All Blacks
to get beating the Eden part, you wouldn't want to
be an Auckland.
Speaker 9 (26:18):
Oh, Like you know, if India gets beaten in cricket,
you don't want to talk to an Indian.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Let me that, okay, I'll be sure to not tour there.
And when there's any cricket on there's a chance that
they might get beaten. I if the English the sad
into the Australian scends up shit, that's fascinating. Thanks so
much for your time. If you like to add to this,
I'd love to hear from you. One hundred eighty ten
eighty sires joins us now made? How all right?
Speaker 8 (26:43):
No?
Speaker 7 (26:44):
That hey, I think there's a different story with in
the past for the Indian teams who would like Indian
cricket and the new era. I think ever since they've
won the Tien twenty with Donny in charge, the complete
attitude and country done has changed. And the other main
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thing is that in the old days it was just
the elite who could who could actually afford to blake cricket,
and and they were they were never kind of given
any of the other even if you were talented, you
were just sidelined. And so they never had that real
talent to pick from. So that's that's the one thing.
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The other thing is that with the advent of IPL
and T twenty, there is so much money in India.
I mean, you can see but what they're praying the
IPO player, you know, they can't even dream about getting
that kind of money in New Zealand. So so with
the new amount of money, they can afford to have
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good grounds, they can afford to have good coaches and
they can have good what you want trainings. I mean
they've they've got they're they're going into training with the good,
the past bowlers. And for betting. You know, some of
the overseas players are helping them with the betting. And
the other thing is that obviously is a climate. Climate
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factor is quite quite hard, especially if you go from
New Zealand or England or something. You can never get
a current customed to you know, hot, hot temperatures. So
these are the things that are that are making them good.
But in the old days they only used to rely
on spin. Uh, that was their main weapon. But now
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if you look at the youngsters, uh, they are past
bowlers and the advent of what you call it gyms,
they're all going to the gyms and they're they're building
themselves up and the feeding has uh, well, the.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Fieldings improved dramatically. I think it's not out of that
serious we are the call is online. We've got a guy.
Thanks for answering. Your call didn't answer the question why
is so good at home? And all the depth you want.
And I like the fact that maybe the game is
now available across a number of different levels in India's
opposed just to the wealthy in that upper class. They
can't went away like they went at home. Why is
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hence the Indian sweep. Thank you very much for that, Rachel.
Someone says, no, there isn't one. Why don't you try Kabati? Okay,
I'm never going to know, shaff Welcome to the show.
What it makes the Indian cricket so hard to beat
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at home?
Speaker 10 (30:11):
I think you're looking at a few different eras here,
and you're going back to the nineties and the more
modern era, the post T twenty revolution. Look when well,
I'm Bangladeshi and I grew up in Bangladesh in the
nineties and we used to say Indian fans don't care
what happens in a Test match as long as they
get to see such and score one hundreds. And this
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is in the nineties, right, and that's how they built
their tracks back in the day. So they were flat tracks.
And the reason why not a lot of overseas teams
won there is because they were very flat tracks and
they're mostly draws, and they would get wins because of
the extreme heat. The flat tracks would crack open and
they probably had a better spin attack than any touring
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team in the nineties and had the better batting the
courtesy of such an ravel driver the Surrogungilee and that
line up there now, both ipl and the money that
you know of the financial strength that they have got
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post this T twenty revolution, they've actually invested in sporting wickets.
If you look at the One Day World Cup that
we went to in November, there are some wickets which
were not unlike Australian wickets in certain places. So they've
developed their base program on top of that. If you
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look at what we do here doing, we're not going
to turn the basin into a spinning track ever, We're
going to keep it a green top whenever we can.
And what they've done the more modern era is that
they've had both types of wickets out there, both pass
tracks and spinning tracks, and they've built a base program
on top of that amazing batting and spin program that
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they have, and I think that's what makes them so
good at home.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah, that's at home, So why doesn't this transfer to
a way tests plenty, they're not preparing the conditions away.
But if they can't buy into conditions globally, what is
it particularly about.
Speaker 10 (32:14):
Well, once again, as much as they can create sporting
wickets in certain parts of India, it's hard to replicate
conditions they would find in Cape Town or if you like,
And they still struggle in very hard bouncy tracks when
visiting South Africa, Australia or Swing when it comes to
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the comes to England. But all you've got to do
to see that they've improved in all aspects of the
game is to look at their performances when they come
visit New Zealand And in the nineties they hardly whatever
win over here and nowadays we can't touch them when
they're traveling here.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Well, I can't touch them. They have to look at
the results there. But I'm just fast known chef. Thanks
so much for calling us Australia. Didn't know four and
five South there were a beaten two's up in ninety
nine and the turn of the century, South Africa drew
with them nine to ten and then in England beat
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them in twenty twelve twenty three. They just don't get
beaten at home? What is it about home? Let's hope
this changes. It's like the rain goes away, so we'll
get some test cracket coming up next. Here on News
Talk ZB, a large man. His name is Taco Fall,
former NBA player, joins us. Next. He's on his way
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to New Zealand to train with the Breakers. I'll come on, Taco.
You don't bring your family over just training, do you?
Unless he's a dedicated family man, he joins us. Next.
Talk about the possibility of life with the Breaker is
what he brings, what he likes as Taco Fall.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Up next, You're on news Talk ZB.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Love just a little bit, love me more, just a
little bit anymore?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
And this kid, welcome Fall. Taco's ready right there. Two
twenty nine, like two minutes twenty nine doesn't sound that big,
does it? Seven foot six? It sounds enormous. There he is,
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and here he is. His name is Taco for one
of the tallest men to ever play in the NBA.
And that's saying something, I don't think anyone will get
any bigger than Yumming. But Yumming didn't come and train
with the Breakers. Now this guy is going to he
joins us now, Taco, welcome to the show. Exciting times
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for you and your family. You're bringing the whole tribe
over here. What does your family consist of? And welcome?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yeah, I'm my wife and I have two daughters. One
is nineteen months and the other one is.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Say wow, that's a lot to deal with coming on
over here.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Yes, it's going to be quite the plane, right.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
A very big plane ride. Please don't tell me you're
traveling business class. I think they'll hate you for that one, mate.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
But there's only a few select it's that I can
use on the airplane.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
So yeah, it'll be the exit Rose. That's the way
it works, isn't it for you?
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Tall Timber?
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Actually not even the exit, because I'm told and actually
why so even sometimes the exit have a little bit
of trouble. So pretty much in every single airplane step
international when you can get the business sites with the beds.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
But I don't know that. I always see it in
like the book beds.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
So you're coming over to train with the Breakers. I'm
only presuming that once the training goes well, you're you're
looking to sign a contract. Otherwise, why would they bring
you all the way over here?
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yeah, I mean just take take any day by day
we having, Like I said, I'm rehaving currently your mining injury.
I've been around the team when they did the US tour,
really excited to be around them again.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
They didn't, like I said, nothing but professional.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
They're a very young team and they're having a really
good season so far, and it would be great for
me to come in and contribute to that as well.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
What at some point, what excites you about the Breakers?
You obviously like the people involved, but what else about
the group do you enjoy? Is it the NBL itself?
Is it the fact you get to possibly be moved
to New Zealand? Is the way you fit into the side.
What really does it for your taco.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
For starters, I'm still faying basketball, that's you know, I'm
enjoying it. I still I'm still fairly young. I'm not
past thirty yet, so I get to go out there
and compete. I've never been to New Zealand. That's something
that I'm really looking forward, especially this experience that I'm
about to have with you know, my family, my wife
(37:05):
and my daughters, and also the NBA. I've heard nothing
but great things about the NBA pretty much from NBA
people to people who've played there.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
They say how good the league is, they have.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
The league in itself has a lot of eyes on
it because there's been a lot of prospects that came.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Out of it.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
So the level of competition is it is fun. I
think it's something that really the last couple of years,
you know, I've been in Chinese, it's not been like,
let's say, the best. So I'm really looking forward to
going out there and competing and having fun.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
I've had a great summer. I've had a great couple
of years.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
I'm a much actually much better player than I was
even when I was in the NBA, And who knows
what may come out of it.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
The idea to get back in the NBA. Ideally, as
you said, you're still a young dude, You've still got
a lot to offers that we'd like to hit eventually
back there again.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Absolutely, absolutely, what's.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
So special about playing in the NBA The petition wise,
it's very different to European basketball, I speak the Chinese
basketball to New Zealand basketball as well. What sets it apart?
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Do you think?
Speaker 3 (38:15):
I would say for me the level of competition And secondly,
I'm at home, you know, with my family. I think
traveling with family is kind of hard, especially once I have,
you know, kids, and being.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Close to them.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
For me, I think is the most important thing, and
that's why I'm taken and taking them to New Zealand
with me. For me, it got to a point where
I was like, if I'm if I have to go,
it has to be places where I could take them
and there will be comfortable as well.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
You've got a lot of length about you. I think
that's been widely spoken about. Standing nearly two point three
zero meters, that's big. What about your body weight? Are
you carrying a lot as well as far as playing
in that center role I speak to be quite difficult
to defend against, not only height, but what you're actually
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what you're body consists of. Size wise, you got a
lot of that.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Uh yeah, I'm pretty proportionate right now. I weigh about
three hundred pounds, which is I'm not sure how many
it is and pillows maybe what something.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
It's roughly then all there, I'm not that quick. When
I'm math, I can't do it, so that that can
but you can work that around. Okay, You're not like
an immobile scener that just provides some height.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Absolutely absolutely, I mean that that in itself took a
lot of work to be able to do certain things
that my height is not the easiest, but it just
takes a lot of work, which I've done, especially, like
I said, this summer in the last couple of years,
and my body feels great.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Besides the obvious, what else do you bring to the court?
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Taco leadership and positive energy. I think I've you know,
I've had a lot of experience playing in the NBA.
I've been, you know, in great teams. I was part
of the Boss and Celtics for the Cavs. I've had
some experience playing overseas. I've seen a lot, I've learned
a lot through the years. And this team is very young.
I think there's a lot of things that I can
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bring and show show them, you know, to my my
experiences and also I believe who I am, you know,
as a person, but very positive, very uplifting, and that's
something I think everything needs.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
You probably don't need it. That has your outside game.
Can you pop three's?
Speaker 4 (40:30):
It will now? I can yet.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Multi talented, you can do it all and plenty on
all things. You've got it as well. But as a
defensive player, you right Yourselfie.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Oh yeah, I think I've always been and lead the
defensive player, especially around the basket. There's not it's very little.
There's not a lot of people who can do what
I can do on that side of the you know,
on that side of the board, just with my height,
you know, not counting I'm mobile, I am and and everything,
and my game offensively has you know, also grown throughout
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the years.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
That can always go you, Taco, don't underestimate the small
guy coming through. You can slap away all you want,
but these little I believe.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
I believe you.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
So how long before you get your signature? Go and
give us a rough idea? When are you going to
join up full time the Breakers?
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yeah, let's take it, you know right now, I just
have to hear you get back on the team and
you know, give with the scribe and check it by
to day.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I love it. You're very very cautious. You won't give
us too much the media. You've dealt with us before.
So the smile on your face doing this by zoom
suggests that it will happen. It will happen once you're
cleared Taco fall when you get here, which I believe
is coming up over the weekend. Welcome to New Zealand.
You're going to love it, my friend, You're going to
love it.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Thank you. I'm really looking forward to hear it.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
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Speaker 7 (41:55):
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Speaker 2 (42:02):
Biggest names in sport, biggest dude in sport. You probably
shouldn't carry on, but seven foot six, him and Park
had Jackson Cartwright on the court together would be something
quite phenomenal. Or to watch. As someone said, Darcy, of
course you bring your family, no on what Spencer's paid trip,
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especially if you're contemplating, you know, moving over here.
Speaker 7 (42:26):
But like.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
He said, he's training. What do you tell me, I'm
coming to check it out and then I'm going to
sign it. If I liked the place, I would just
leave them. Ah, he's very cautious, very cautious. He's bringing
two infants over with them. It's more than just training.
Sign on the line, Come on Dargo and he does.
Thank you very much for producing for me day Off Duff.
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It's been a please of my friends.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
Today. How are you would be a bit more formal
than that, good evening and welcome into sports Talk. My
name is Darcy walder Grave. Welcome to the show myself,
yourself and some randoms who are obviously engaged in sport.
Otherwise it wouldn't be here. That's our plan for tonight.
We're going to take your calls eventually. Eight hundred eighty
(01:00):
ten eighty three phone number nation wide N nine two.
That's the text line. Texted text chart does apply. I
guess of an evening Taco four from O NBA player
suited up for the Cavaliers and the Celtics. Looks like
he's going out to play for the Breakers. Possibly it's
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all a bit You're not really sure, you're not really
that commensal. But he's coming over here with his family, right,
You wouldn't just be coming over here with his family
to train police anyway, we'll find out more than big
Feller and he's here, a huge fellow, three hundred pounds
(01:44):
and seven foot six in old money who yep, one
of the tallest ever. I don't know if there's been
anyone taller in the NBL, right, I don't know, be
a stretch of the NBA, but anyway, we'll catch up
with him later on on the piece. Looking forward to
that one, we're gonna kick things off with Warren Lee's
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form a black Cap former black Caps test coach. Black
Caps chances are beating India pretty remote, although they're good
at the moment because it's still wet, it's not complete.
They managed to get through an entire session unscathed, not
that they've left the hotel room. So thirty six tests,
(02:28):
two victories. That's New Zealand and India. Why is it
so hard? Why can't we beat India at home? Why
do we struggle on the subcontinent? It's in away game,
it's in their own backyard. Granted it's not easy, but
it's just becomes it's almost an impossibility. I want to
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know why, and then I'll get your thoughts on that
ill eight hundred eighty ten eighty piece it together. It
shouldn't technically be that hard, should it? Let me know
why it is? How we can solve it? On eight
hundred eighty ten. That is our conversation piece, and should
the game get going. I'll let you know, but don't
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hold your breath because you'll turn blue in your head,
will pop off the weather. It is not looking good
right away from that onto this today nine after seven
sports today rain in India during a test match. Sure
why not? The thunderstorms are coming. Thunderstorms are here and
thunderstorms may well be sticking around. So the new Skipeton.
(03:34):
Latham's got a couple of selections to ponder, which he'll
still be pondering now from the hotel, Room three prong
seam attack. Maybe is Tim off the hook? Will you
ever leave the hotel?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Obviously work at being undercovers for longer duration and it
not necessarily being as hot as what we would usually
expect here.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So yeah, I guess that potentially brings the fast battles
into play. Possibly he's not under contract yet, but skyscraping
x NBA player at tackle falls on the way to
Auckland's train with the Breakers. Two point two two nine
meters center was set to play in the short Americans
sojourn that was ruled out with injury. He saw enough though.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I was really looking forward to, you know, getting to
know that, getting to know the individuals kind of just
planned to mess with the team a little bit. Shay
they play and everything, and you know, I think it
went pretty well.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
All Black coach Scott Robertson has explained why Hoskins Setutu
is out of the All Black fifteen Northern Tour. The
Blues Lucy was odds on a chance to pick up
an a bee jersey for the trail of loose Ford's
cut down with injury, but Sotutu he's under a.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Cloud as well.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Both medical groups, the Counties and their all back medical
crew got together and they decided, you know, you like
to get through this tour that's probably stipped too far
from them, So you know, look, he's looking at options
if it's you know, every story.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Drinking and the White fans know their opponent. On Saturday morning,
in the West Indies beat England to earned the right
to fight for a place in the Women's A twenty
World Cup final. English skipper hit a Night conceded on
Sky TV that the West Indian women's way warranted the win.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
Wow, they boughted brilliantly. Probably we bought a little bit
too short. There's a little bit more bouncing off ours
than we've been used to thought they played it well,
really took the game to us. So I think that
partnership between Haley and Joseph was top qualiteam.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
And that's sport today. Eleven minutes after seven, we'd been
joined by Warren Lee. Shortly but before we chat with
the former black Caps Test coach. Last time the New
Zealanders won a Test match in India was way back
in nineteen eighty eight. This is what it sounded like.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
Match was playing a brilliant Fiboa Shasti clean boat, rowing away,
playing two of the outside and Hadley as roll Shati.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
For seventy two build. Oh tremendous. Does that take you back?
Get it around the radio in the middle of the
eight listing to that gorgeous commentary What had been before
Brian Moddle's time. Oh okay, this may be a bit
of a stretch, but there it is. Nineteen eighty eight.
That's been a while. Warren Lee's that joins us now,
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former black Caps Test coach. Well, let's face it, Warren,
this is nine impossible for us to beat the Indians
at home.
Speaker 8 (06:36):
Yeah, nearly every impossible. You can't say that, but you
can now till we say that we're not going to
be the confident team out of it too. We're not
going to be paying low money at the TV where
we really have got it back to the wall, especially
after the last game, two games in Tri Lanka, the
injuries we've had, and also just the fact that we're
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playing itast India and India, and I think there's something
that a lot of the players are going to have
to change the tactics from what we've been in the
last few weeks.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Have they got the ability to do that based on
what you've seen, Do you think they've actually got the
Wherewithulham and the captaincy I suppose more is the point
now that Lathan's in there and the coaching staff to
radically change what they're doing to try and tip Indoa.
Speaker 8 (07:21):
Frankly, I was pretty disappointed and the way they played
the games in Trilanka. I know we it was too
nill and we last and we came home town between
our legs, but the way we played Test match cricket
was like taking a twenty twenty game out into the
middle and saying, let's just hit as far as we
can and see what happened. Tess created is completely different,
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and the players don't play a lot of it now,
and they've also that their money comes from other sources
than Tess cricket, so they've got to turn their whole
thinking around and think time they've got a bat ball
by ball, runs don't really are accumulated in India and
therefore you don't smash the ball to the boundary very often.
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All those things would have been lessons they learned. And
let's you see in the next five days where they
can carry some of those things down. There'll be one
or two players really hurting about the way they played.
We've learned a lesson, but I don't know where they
can actually carry it out because we can't get away
from the fact we're playing against world champions. We're playing
against the team that's confident. They nearly always went at home,
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and we've got all the other things against us because
we're the visiting side.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Back in the old days, Warren Lees, touring India was
more than difficult, and there was a lot of reasons
behind that. There was the conditions that players weren't used to,
as far as the heat and the dust balls they
played in. There was the food that was served up
to them, which really didn't agree with a lot of people.
The accommodation maybe wasn't up to scratch. But in this
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day and age, the players spend a lot of time
over there playing in the IPL. The nutrition in the
food is a very different kettle of fish. The accommodation
and the like is a top class. Do you think
though the historic nature of touring India, there's still a
hangover there with touring teams. They feel like they're under
the pump, even though intentionally they're actually not as bad
(09:20):
as they used to be.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
No, there's certainly things have certainly improved. I mean you
did right. The players play all around the world now,
they play in different T twenty competitions. They travel it
away from home a lot, so things like food, homesickness,
the tiredness twenty twenty isn't taking a lot out of them,
(09:43):
By the way, all those things are completely different. And
the conditions you're playing. It's hot. We know that the
pitchers are normally dry and dusty, especially when you're talking
about Test cricket. It's going to spin, the ball won't
bounce consistently. But on top of that, you've got to
realize that it's the team we're playing against, and it's
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the two teams have eleven players play against each other.
One coming in very very confident looking at the New
Zealand team that have been losing recently, as I say,
losing players as well, and the other team coming from
a Sri Lanka beating and playing against some of the best,
very best players in the world. And it's hard. It's
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easy for the coach to say, look, this is the
way we want to play it. Does everyone agree? And
everyone not in the dressing room and put your hand
up if you think we've got a chance, all the
hands go up. But actually when you go out in
the middle, it's a completely different feeling for a lot
of players. Collectively, yeah, rah rah, we're going to go.
We're going to really take it to India. But individually, inside,
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I don't know that many of these players actually believe.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
That Warren Lee's joins us here on sports Talk. A
lot of things have to go your way in order
to beat India in a Test series in their backyard.
This we know, but let's face it, really all honesty,
this is a very good cricket team India and regardless
of the heat, all the conditions, all are the so
(11:13):
called doctored pictures or whatever you want. It's a very
good cricket team and you focus on that. That's that's
half the journey, surely.
Speaker 8 (11:21):
Yeah. And sometimes when you look back, if you if
you finished a career in the game, you look back
and sometimes it's not the wins and the losses. Sometimes
it's playing really well when everything's against you, and you
look back and say, well, we didn't quite win the game,
but by god, we gave them a fright and they
were so full of stars, and we were desperately trying
(11:44):
to find players because of late injuries and people flying
in late, and people even having to play under duress
because they've they're out of form and they're slightly injured.
Sometimes you can look back and get pleasure out of
really taking it to the right to the down end
of the game. And I think that's an attitude that
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it's hard to actually explain that the goods Edger, that
John Wright, the fighters who used to fight and desperately
go out there. We need players to be doing that.
And unfortunately, some of our players at the top of
the order. When you think of you know, Givin Conway
badly out of touch. Tom Latham would really be well
(12:29):
suited to playing in these conditions because you're great player
has spin bowlers. But we've got players who haven't scored
runs recently and they haven't got to re establish their
attitude to the game. We accept it in India a
good side. Of course we are and that's what that's
why it's called to test. It would be called something else.
It was an easy game to play, but it's called
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to test because you're tested against the other team and
that's a determined their determination that all our players have
got actually work out their game plan. So keet having
the sexes and the flashy falls and getting a quick thirty,
a quick thirty is nothing when you're playing in India
against India, and that's something they've just got to quietly
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put aside and say this is my day. Someone will
do that. Someone in this team will surprise everyone in
the next five days.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Warren Lee is the odds are packed against any team
playing away from home because the home team controls the conditions.
That's a nature of test cricket. That's what makes it
so appealing, surely touring India, playing India in their conditions,
and even when other teams come and play us in
our conditions. The victory is so much sweeter if you
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get it done. A test is a test, dear right.
Speaker 8 (13:45):
And the pitch. We know what the pitches are like historically,
no matter who goes there, whether it be the best
teams in the world or you know, the England, the Australians,
the South Africa, the New Zealanders, it's the same for
every team. And to turn out and say well, it's
foreign and when it turned more than we thought and
it was a minefield to bat on and they prepared
(14:07):
their own pictures is just self made excuses really, because
we know what it's like and we do play all
around the world now and we know it's going to
be hot, because it's no different to India coming to
New Zealand for a tour, and historically New Zealand correct
used to see them straight to Cary's book where it's
as cold as and the basements where with green years ago,
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and the ball would seem around. I mean every country
is doing it, it's just that some countries have got
conditions more conducive to this sort of players. They've got
so the excuses about the pitch don't and We're not
used to it. They don't hold water anymore. You've just
got to go and overcome that. And that's why it's called,
as I say, it's called a Test match.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
We've got the breakdown on Sports Talk.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Warren Lee's former New Zealan onto cricket player and more
importantly coach of the national side. Why can't New Zealand
beat India over there? Spread it out? Why can't anyone
beat India over there? Are they that good? A pile
(15:24):
of reasons, the anatomy of a disaster, which has spoken
about a lot, not saying that Test victories from India
at home or a disaster. They are for the tourists,
fantastic for the locals. So many parameters here to look at,
and you'd suggest that India just have the edge in
all of them. Or is it a little simple?
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Now?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Are they just that good? Do the conditions in their
favor which everybody prepares? Are they that advantageous? Because it
is so difficult over there that it really tips the
balance ridiculously toward the home side.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
How do we do it?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
How does any team go to India and win? What
does it actually take? Eleven men on eleven men? Yep,
conditions are a little interesting. I wonder if the psychology
with the visiting teams they've already beaten before they've got there,
or the Indians are so terrified of losing at home
(16:33):
that they grow extra arms and legs. And it's not
a case of people losing to Indians. These Indians just
won't be beaten at home. And it's the national sport
after all. Passionate that the whole shooting match is run
by the Border Control Cricket India. They own the game.
(16:53):
Let's face it, really interesting looking at their results of
recent times to be trawling back through the stats as
when India last lost a Test series at home England
and India twenty twelve, two thousand and thirteen two one.
(17:16):
They lost in a four test series two to one.
It just doesn't happen. The Australians have done it. But
again that was that was the past. It was so
far in the past. So tell me why are they
(17:38):
so hard to beat at home? Is it right and
fair that they can have that dominance? Personally, I think
it's fantastic. I love to see it. As Warren was
saying around a test that it is a true test
(17:59):
and I was talking with producer Andy Darf before about it,
saying the beauty of playing a prominent team like India
in their own backyard. When you do win, the victory
is so sweet. The effort has been one hundred percent plus.
If there's such a thing, everything's worked and you really
(18:21):
deserve victory. It must make the champagne taste that much better.
And he said, yeah, right, but we haven't done it,
so you know, it's a very good point. Nineteen eighty eight.
That is a that is a long time ago. And
I've been corrected by somebody India's national sports hockey, not cricket.
Sorry about that. Haven't lived in India or I'm not
(18:43):
an Indian national myself. I was convinced it was cricket.
I'm sorry, thank you very much for correcting me. Indeed,
if that is the case, why that's so hard to
beat it home? What is the major advantage they have?
Is it one thing? Is it the series like the
anatomy of a disaster? Is there a number of situations
(19:05):
that fall in their favor? What does it take? Tell me? O?
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty attitude of psychology? Does the
conditions have to change? Do you have to cheat? What
do you how do you do this?
Speaker 8 (19:25):
No?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Stop, don't mention sampaper Andy Duff because I'll say it
on air and then I'll get it. Oh, it's twenty
five minutes after seven lines are wrapping. Eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. Do you know if the Test match gets underway?
Tell me how you beat the Indians away? And look,
if you're an Indian cricket fan, you used to live
in India. You're still an Indian fan over here? Why
(19:47):
are they so good? Talk to me about your team?
What puts them apart? At home? Where's the advantage? O?
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ZB Why so good? Why are they so good? What
happens here? What is the distinct advantage that Indian cricket
has over pretty much everybody else? Oh eight one hundred
eighty ten eighty in text nineteen nineteen z B z
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B standard TEXS charge does apply, shirp, Welcome to the program.
Why is this?
Speaker 9 (21:07):
I various reasons. One, they have got a vast pool
of talent to filter through the system, so you pretty
much by the time you get to the top where
or other you get to the bottom the filter, you
have got the absolute best of the best. Cricket is
(21:28):
realistically the only sport the country really backs itself with fully.
Like you know, the people, the money, the culture, the celebration,
everything is thrown at.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Cricket, yes, but but shirt when they two are they're
a was donerant at all. So what is it about home?
You may have the best of the best, the best
of living players in an enormous place, but they can't
apply that if sure like they can at home. So
what's what's the home advantage? What is it that they've got?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
See?
Speaker 9 (22:02):
Even when I ve in New Zealand for like twenty
two plus years, now, can I go back to India?
Speaker 7 (22:07):
Right?
Speaker 9 (22:07):
Now there's a period when I am unsettled with the environment. Okay,
I am from there. It takes time to absorb that place,
you know, or let it come to you. People don't
realize how important that is. Now, if you are going
to India, you need to allow yourself a week or
two just to settle in and really get your fearings together.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Well, I said, I've never been, and one day I
should like to go because I've been told it is
the most gobs making experience and you are just simply
cannot prepare yourself for it. So what specifically about it
that would overawe cricketers playing in a pitch in an
area in a stadium that's not unlike most cricket pitches.
(22:49):
What's the exterory that we don't know about that? Really?
Can you see it? It takes you a week to work
out what's going on? You're Indian? What's the upset here?
Speaker 7 (22:58):
See?
Speaker 9 (22:58):
I absolutely love India and in saying that, it's organized chaos,
which is accepted by all Indians, and it takes a
bit of time to accept that and to allow that
to grow into you. And it is available just about
everywhere you tap your finger too. So you know, and
(23:19):
the brain needs to be conditioned to that, and that
has a downstream impact on everything that you do psychologically,
how you prepare yourself. You know, how grounded you get,
how quickly you get, because at the end of the day,
you know if you need to have the right composure
to play at the international level, and to get to
that level of composure sometimes in a location like India,
it takes time.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
This is not fascinating because I've been told that how
hard it is to acclimatize. And it's not this food
or temperature or anything. It's just when you say organized chaos.
It's something that Indians accept, but I'm interested that it
can actually infiltrate a game over there. Oh sha it,
By the bye, what is the national sport of India?
Because someone's now it takes me and said they haven't
got a national sport. It's not hockey or or cricket
(24:04):
or anything. Is it a national sport?
Speaker 9 (24:08):
I believe it is hockey, but I wouldn't put a
finger on on that yet unless I confirm that I believe.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
So, so here's another question for you. Then will you go?
And thanks so much? After that, it's only been a
couple of occasions in the two thousands that India have
actually been beaten at him. The English did it to
them twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, the South Africans drew with
them in nineteen Australians beat them in four h five
(24:37):
and then way back turn of the century ninety nine
Io the South Africans beat them. What of those teams
had that let them do that? Was it just that?
Was Indian cricket just pour?
Speaker 9 (24:47):
Then? No, they were all confident. They had the right
They almost always have the right level of confidence. When
a team grows over confident, you know, I'd call it
pride comes before a downfall, a mixture of that. Possibly
the team was weak, you know the team, the Indian
(25:10):
cricket team in India, when it is grounded, it's almost
impossible to be because they prepare themselves to an optimum
level where they know they will cut the mark.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
When the Indians get beaten in home and Test series
od I T twenty doesn't merits. It's hitting and giggle
and it tests. Is what's three action like? In the public, Well,
how do they behave? What do they do when it
comes to their their idols? Is their aggression is their outrage?
Is there sorrow because I'm sure that the Indian players
must carry that around the fear of losing at home.
Speaker 9 (25:44):
See absolutely See Test cricket is real cricket. That's the
way I look at it. Like it is the old
school cricket and cricket in its purest form. And when
you lose a Test cricket that really opens up scars
for you. And if you can perform well in Test cricket,
I think cricket originated from there. Correct me if I'm wrong.
(26:04):
At least that's what I know.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Do the public get angry, then you're right in the
street and the newspapers go. So it's really not a
nice place to be. It's like if the All Blacks
to get beating the Eden part, you wouldn't want to
be an Auckland.
Speaker 9 (26:18):
Oh, Like you know, if India gets beaten in cricket,
you don't want to talk to an Indian.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Let me that, okay, I'll be sure to not tour there.
And when there's any cricket on there's a chance that
they might get beaten. I if the English the sad
into the Australian scends up shit, that's fascinating. Thanks so
much for your time. If you like to add to this,
I'd love to hear from you. One hundred eighty ten
eighty sires joins us now made? How all right?
Speaker 8 (26:43):
No?
Speaker 7 (26:44):
That hey, I think there's a different story with in
the past for the Indian teams who would like Indian
cricket and the new era. I think ever since they've
won the Tien twenty with Donny in charge, the complete
attitude and country done has changed. And the other main
(27:08):
thing is that in the old days it was just
the elite who could who could actually afford to blake cricket,
and and they were they were never kind of given
any of the other even if you were talented, you
were just sidelined. And so they never had that real
talent to pick from. So that's that's the one thing.
(27:33):
The other thing is that with the advent of IPL
and T twenty, there is so much money in India.
I mean, you can see but what they're praying the
IPO player, you know, they can't even dream about getting
that kind of money in New Zealand. So so with
the new amount of money, they can afford to have
(27:55):
good grounds, they can afford to have good coaches and
they can have good what you want trainings. I mean
they've they've got they're they're going into training with the good,
the past bowlers. And for betting. You know, some of
the overseas players are helping them with the betting. And
the other thing is that obviously is a climate. Climate
(28:18):
factor is quite quite hard, especially if you go from
New Zealand or England or something. You can never get
a current customed to you know, hot, hot temperatures. So
these are the things that are that are making them good.
But in the old days they only used to rely
on spin. Uh, that was their main weapon. But now
(28:42):
if you look at the youngsters, uh, they are past
bowlers and the advent of what you call it gyms,
they're all going to the gyms and they're they're building
themselves up and the feeding has uh, well, the.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Fieldings improved dramatically. I think it's not out of that
serious we are the call is online. We've got a guy.
Thanks for answering. Your call didn't answer the question why
is so good at home? And all the depth you want.
And I like the fact that maybe the game is
now available across a number of different levels in India's
opposed just to the wealthy in that upper class. They
can't went away like they went at home. Why is
(29:19):
that twenty two away from eight? Lines are open? Ataco
falls still to come here on News Talk ZB change
James only seven d eighteen and a half away from
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eight sports talker on News Talks ZB E one hundred
and eighty ten eighty text nineteen nine two. That is
z B z B. Apparently hockey is the national sport,
hence the Indian sweep. Thank you very much for that, Rachel.
Someone says, no, there isn't one. Why don't you try Kabati? Okay,
I'm never going to know, shaff Welcome to the show.
What it makes the Indian cricket so hard to beat
(30:08):
at home?
Speaker 10 (30:11):
I think you're looking at a few different eras here,
and you're going back to the nineties and the more
modern era, the post T twenty revolution. Look when well,
I'm Bangladeshi and I grew up in Bangladesh in the
nineties and we used to say Indian fans don't care
what happens in a Test match as long as they
get to see such and score one hundreds. And this
(30:33):
is in the nineties, right, and that's how they built
their tracks back in the day. So they were flat tracks.
And the reason why not a lot of overseas teams
won there is because they were very flat tracks and
they're mostly draws, and they would get wins because of
the extreme heat. The flat tracks would crack open and
they probably had a better spin attack than any touring
(30:54):
team in the nineties and had the better batting the
courtesy of such an ravel driver the Surrogungilee and that
line up there now, both ipl and the money that
you know of the financial strength that they have got
(31:14):
post this T twenty revolution, they've actually invested in sporting wickets.
If you look at the One Day World Cup that
we went to in November, there are some wickets which
were not unlike Australian wickets in certain places. So they've
developed their base program on top of that. If you
(31:35):
look at what we do here doing, we're not going
to turn the basin into a spinning track ever, We're
going to keep it a green top whenever we can.
And what they've done the more modern era is that
they've had both types of wickets out there, both pass
tracks and spinning tracks, and they've built a base program
on top of that amazing batting and spin program that
(31:57):
they have, and I think that's what makes them so
good at home.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah, that's at home, So why doesn't this transfer to
a way tests plenty, they're not preparing the conditions away.
But if they can't buy into conditions globally, what is
it particularly about.
Speaker 10 (32:14):
Well, once again, as much as they can create sporting
wickets in certain parts of India, it's hard to replicate
conditions they would find in Cape Town or if you like,
And they still struggle in very hard bouncy tracks when
visiting South Africa, Australia or Swing when it comes to
(32:36):
the comes to England. But all you've got to do
to see that they've improved in all aspects of the
game is to look at their performances when they come
visit New Zealand And in the nineties they hardly whatever
win over here and nowadays we can't touch them when
they're traveling here.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Well, I can't touch them. They have to look at
the results there. But I'm just fast known chef. Thanks
so much for calling us Australia. Didn't know four and
five South there were a beaten two's up in ninety
nine and the turn of the century, South Africa drew
with them nine to ten and then in England beat
(33:15):
them in twenty twelve twenty three. They just don't get
beaten at home? What is it about home? Let's hope
this changes. It's like the rain goes away, so we'll
get some test cracket coming up next. Here on News
Talk ZB, a large man. His name is Taco Fall,
former NBA player, joins us. Next. He's on his way
(33:39):
to New Zealand to train with the Breakers. I'll come on, Taco.
You don't bring your family over just training, do you?
Unless he's a dedicated family man, he joins us. Next.
Talk about the possibility of life with the Breaker is
what he brings, what he likes as Taco Fall.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Up next, You're on news Talk ZB.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Love just a little bit, love me more, just a
little bit anymore?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
And this kid, welcome Fall. Taco's ready right there. Two
twenty nine, like two minutes twenty nine doesn't sound that big,
does it? Seven foot six? It sounds enormous. There he is,
(34:30):
and here he is. His name is Taco for one
of the tallest men to ever play in the NBA.
And that's saying something, I don't think anyone will get
any bigger than Yumming. But Yumming didn't come and train
with the Breakers. Now this guy is going to he
joins us now, Taco, welcome to the show. Exciting times
(34:52):
for you and your family. You're bringing the whole tribe
over here. What does your family consist of? And welcome?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yeah, I'm my wife and I have two daughters. One
is nineteen months and the other one is.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Say wow, that's a lot to deal with coming on
over here.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Yes, it's going to be quite the plane, right.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
A very big plane ride. Please don't tell me you're
traveling business class. I think they'll hate you for that one, mate.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
But there's only a few select it's that I can
use on the airplane.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
So yeah, it'll be the exit Rose. That's the way
it works, isn't it for you?
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Tall Timber?
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Actually not even the exit, because I'm told and actually
why so even sometimes the exit have a little bit
of trouble. So pretty much in every single airplane step
international when you can get the business sites with the beds.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
But I don't know that. I always see it in
like the book beds.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
So you're coming over to train with the Breakers. I'm
only presuming that once the training goes well, you're you're
looking to sign a contract. Otherwise, why would they bring
you all the way over here?
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yeah, I mean just take take any day by day
we having, Like I said, I'm rehaving currently your mining injury.
I've been around the team when they did the US tour,
really excited to be around them again.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
They didn't, like I said, nothing but professional.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
They're a very young team and they're having a really
good season so far, and it would be great for
me to come in and contribute to that as well.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
What at some point, what excites you about the Breakers?
You obviously like the people involved, but what else about
the group do you enjoy? Is it the NBL itself?
Is it the fact you get to possibly be moved
to New Zealand? Is the way you fit into the side.
What really does it for your taco.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
For starters, I'm still faying basketball, that's you know, I'm
enjoying it. I still I'm still fairly young. I'm not
past thirty yet, so I get to go out there
and compete. I've never been to New Zealand. That's something
that I'm really looking forward, especially this experience that I'm
about to have with you know, my family, my wife
(37:05):
and my daughters, and also the NBA. I've heard nothing
but great things about the NBA pretty much from NBA
people to people who've played there.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
They say how good the league is, they have.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
The league in itself has a lot of eyes on
it because there's been a lot of prospects that came.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Out of it.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
So the level of competition is it is fun. I
think it's something that really the last couple of years,
you know, I've been in Chinese, it's not been like,
let's say, the best. So I'm really looking forward to
going out there and competing and having fun.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
I've had a great summer. I've had a great couple
of years.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
I'm a much actually much better player than I was
even when I was in the NBA, And who knows
what may come out of it.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
The idea to get back in the NBA. Ideally, as
you said, you're still a young dude, You've still got
a lot to offers that we'd like to hit eventually
back there again.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Absolutely, absolutely, what's.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
So special about playing in the NBA The petition wise,
it's very different to European basketball, I speak the Chinese
basketball to New Zealand basketball as well. What sets it apart?
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Do you think?
Speaker 3 (38:15):
I would say for me the level of competition And secondly,
I'm at home, you know, with my family. I think
traveling with family is kind of hard, especially once I have,
you know, kids, and being.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Close to them.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
For me, I think is the most important thing, and
that's why I'm taken and taking them to New Zealand
with me. For me, it got to a point where
I was like, if I'm if I have to go,
it has to be places where I could take them
and there will be comfortable as well.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
You've got a lot of length about you. I think
that's been widely spoken about. Standing nearly two point three
zero meters, that's big. What about your body weight? Are
you carrying a lot as well as far as playing
in that center role I speak to be quite difficult
to defend against, not only height, but what you're actually
(39:05):
what you're body consists of. Size wise, you got a
lot of that.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Uh yeah, I'm pretty proportionate right now. I weigh about
three hundred pounds, which is I'm not sure how many
it is and pillows maybe what something.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
It's roughly then all there, I'm not that quick. When
I'm math, I can't do it, so that that can
but you can work that around. Okay, You're not like
an immobile scener that just provides some height.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Absolutely absolutely, I mean that that in itself took a
lot of work to be able to do certain things
that my height is not the easiest, but it just
takes a lot of work, which I've done, especially, like
I said, this summer in the last couple of years,
and my body feels great.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Besides the obvious, what else do you bring to the court?
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Taco leadership and positive energy. I think I've you know,
I've had a lot of experience playing in the NBA.
I've been, you know, in great teams. I was part
of the Boss and Celtics for the Cavs. I've had
some experience playing overseas. I've seen a lot, I've learned
a lot through the years. And this team is very young.
I think there's a lot of things that I can
(40:10):
bring and show show them, you know, to my my
experiences and also I believe who I am, you know,
as a person, but very positive, very uplifting, and that's
something I think everything needs.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
You probably don't need it. That has your outside game.
Can you pop three's?
Speaker 4 (40:30):
It will now? I can yet.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Multi talented, you can do it all and plenty on
all things. You've got it as well. But as a
defensive player, you right Yourselfie.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Oh yeah, I think I've always been and lead the
defensive player, especially around the basket. There's not it's very little.
There's not a lot of people who can do what
I can do on that side of the you know,
on that side of the board, just with my height,
you know, not counting I'm mobile, I am and and everything,
and my game offensively has you know, also grown throughout
(41:04):
the years.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
That can always go you, Taco, don't underestimate the small
guy coming through. You can slap away all you want,
but these little I believe.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
I believe you.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
So how long before you get your signature? Go and
give us a rough idea? When are you going to
join up full time the Breakers?
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yeah, let's take it, you know right now, I just
have to hear you get back on the team and
you know, give with the scribe and check it by
to day.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I love it. You're very very cautious. You won't give
us too much the media. You've dealt with us before.
So the smile on your face doing this by zoom
suggests that it will happen. It will happen once you're
cleared Taco fall when you get here, which I believe
is coming up over the weekend. Welcome to New Zealand.
You're going to love it, my friend, You're going to
love it.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Thank you. I'm really looking forward to hear it.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
From the biggest names and sports and men.
Speaker 7 (41:55):
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Speaker 1 (41:58):
Sports Talk on your home of Sports News Talk Zippy.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Biggest names in sport, biggest dude in sport. You probably
shouldn't carry on, but seven foot six, him and Park
had Jackson Cartwright on the court together would be something
quite phenomenal. Or to watch. As someone said, Darcy, of
course you bring your family, no on what Spencer's paid trip,
(42:24):
especially if you're contemplating, you know, moving over here.
Speaker 7 (42:26):
But like.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
He said, he's training. What do you tell me, I'm
coming to check it out and then I'm going to
sign it. If I liked the place, I would just
leave them. Ah, he's very cautious, very cautious. He's bringing
two infants over with them. It's more than just training.
Sign on the line, Come on Dargo and he does.
Thank you very much for producing for me day Off Duff.
(42:51):
It's been a please of my friends.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
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