November 8, 2024 • 40 mins
ZB's own D'Arcy Waldegrave returns to cap off the week in the wonderful world of sport! Highlights for tonight include:
Sir Graham Lowe - On the Southern Orca's official NRL bid.
Talkback - Are the NRL at all interested in these New Zealand bids?
Laurie Mains - Former All Blacks Coach - On the squad to play Ireland.
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team with Lurie mains coming up toward the end of
the program, we get things running over. Sir graham Low
are the Southern Orcas Rugby League chairman. Look, this only
came out a couple of hours ago. They've got an
official NRL expansion bid that they've sent it out the NRL.
I've got it and they're talking millions and millions and
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millions of dollars three hundred and sixty million dollars Australian.
I think is that it's a fair whack coin, isn't
it to try and climb on board the NRL train
one of what is it three consortiums attempting to get
the nod from abdoh and the Landers don't really seem
(02:23):
to want to listen do that, But it's the story.
You're going to talk to, say Graham shortly about that.
What they've done, what they have to do, what they know,
what they don't, what the time band is, how long
they've got The list goes on and on and on,
and Sir graham Low would join us to discuss that
shortly in eight minutes after seven, Let's do this Sport
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Today and in Sport Today, drama, intrigue, controversy, name calling
red cards. Nothing changes. When the All Backs take on
the Irish coach Andy Farrell expects more of the same.
Nothing changes, does this. They're still on a standing side,
classes side that's going to be hard to beat. And
you know there's always a bit of drama, isn't that
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when when I play in New Zealand expect more of
the same.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
There's about that.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
The touring English flat track bully sorry that the men's
first eleving cricket team will bring aggression an acceleration to
the upcoming three Test series against New Zealand. Black capt
skipper Tom Latham remembers the last time they rolled into
town and the strategy won't change.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
We obviously had a pretty exciting Test series a couple
of years ago against them is that famous game and Wellington,
So I'm sure the series will be no different than
They've got a tacking brand that they like to play
and I'm sure it will be no different.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
The Pacific Championship was all made a mistake that may
have helped to Tonga to secure victory over the kiwis Kiwi.
Coach Stacy Jones reflects, Yeah, they put their hand up
and said they've got an area wrong.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Of it, but they said that they couldn't go back
and cheap the Marcus. I'm not too sure there's any
great areas and challenging.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
And whatnot, but it was at the death of the
game and quite frankly they didn't deserve the win. Right
last ten minutes on a tech was an absolute shambles
and peddler Daniel Houses claimed the fifth leg of the
Tour of Southland one hundred and fifty four k of
hard slog from m Baca Gal Cackle to the bluff.
He did it and he picked up the candy.
Speaker 7 (04:19):
Watching the highlights of yesterday's stage, just working myself into
a mindset to get it done today.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
So I'm telling everyone as well that this was the
day that I sort of air marketIn of the Queen stage.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
And that's sport today. Ten after seven news came out
only a couple of hours ago. The Southern orcers have
climbed back on board again to try and persuade the
NRAL the AARL to grant them a franchise license for
the second NRL team based in New Zealand. There are
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a number of consortiums out there. There's this one, there's
one without really a name Tony Kird behind that, and
then of course David Moffatt behind the Kia. They want
to be involved. The South Island wants to be involved.
They were all roundly reject by Abdoh and by the
Landers of recent times, suggesting, among other things, there's not
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enough money in it for them. They need a bigger,
better and better proposal from all of these teams. If
you really want to get into the NRL, what have
you got. So people are still jostling, they're still elbowing,
and a team that's at the front of the jostle
right now is the Southern Orcas. We're talking now to
Sir Graham Low, the chairman of the Orcas rugby Leaguet bid.
(05:39):
Welcome to the show, Sir Graham.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I hope you're will I'm well, Darcy, thank you mate.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
So the Southern Orcas looking for an NRL license. Just
just fill us on on where we sit right now.
There was reports going around recently that the NRL wanted
a pile of money. I don't know how much truth was,
and that who Abdoh and Thelanders met when they came
over here, no one really knows. So just put us
in a position what do we know at the.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Moment very much. No, not the same as you.
Speaker 8 (06:08):
So we submitted a bid a while ago when the
opportunity was there, and part of that part of that process,
then we were entered into NDA, which we start rigidly too,
so that that's why no one's had any idea, not
even the slightest until today. So it's been it's been
a long sort of a process. But it sort of
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brightened up that I suppose when when Peter Landy's a
chairman of the League of the Australian leageat came out
and said that all the bid is needed to lift
their game.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
So we've taken it.
Speaker 8 (06:39):
We took that on board, spent a lot more time
on it because we didn't have a lot of time
the first In the first instance, the NRAL didn't give
us many days to put everything together. But we've put
our best foot forward now and so we just await
with bated breath and see the impact that it's had
on the NRL.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
You said lift your game or they have to everyone
has to lift their game. Was that purely a financial
input situation? Where else would you lift money?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
So don't really know what they meant.
Speaker 8 (07:13):
They didn't give us any explanation that was you know,
we pretty much that was all that all that was said,
you know, and Peter Velandi's made it pretty clear in
the media we actually didn't to tell the truth, Darcy.
We didn't think we were far off the mark in
the first place, but we took it on board. You know,
we've had more time, had more time now. But the
presentation that we put forward for the media today, even
(07:35):
though it sounds like I'm big noting I thought were
stunning and has certainly given them plenty to consider.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
It's not a bit risky, though, Graham, if you don't
really know what they meant by left and you're not
really sure what they're after to put a whole lot
of work and effort and power into something you're not
quite sure where it's going, you see it. I'm hinting
at there.
Speaker 8 (07:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, But I mean that's that's how it is.
So we don't make the rules, and we just want
to fit in and be as helpful as we can
in the whole process put forward something that we consider
will be hard for them or you know, be interesting
to see if there's a reason why it's not successful.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
So we put our best foot forward. It's really well supported.
Speaker 8 (08:16):
We had a fantastic was received really really well from
the Sydney media today when we did it, and it's
it's you know it really I suppose everybody thinks the same,
Everyone that's putting a bid in thinks the same wherever
they are. But I'm just absolutely totally confident we've done
a professional job. We've explained a vision and we've given
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them what we think it can do for the for
the game, but more in particular for christ Church, for
the South Island, what it can do for the future
and the avenues that can take take the game and
the Orcas down and with the NRL. So anything you
can think of, we've tried to cover as well as
we possibly can.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Tair of the Southern Orcas bidden for the NRL to
become a South Island franchise in the NRLs. Name's Graham Lowe,
he joins us. Now, so today accept this plane. Was
there anything official or did you stick it in their mailbox?
You just sit back and wait. We wants the process
from now well.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I expect that that NRL will be well aware of it.
Speaker 8 (09:17):
They'll have a copy of the of the release so
we'll just wait and see.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Well, so no official communications between you or or the
ar L or the NRLs.
Speaker 8 (09:29):
That's that's That's how it seems to have been with everyone.
So it leaves you a little bit in the dark.
So we wanted to put That's where I was saying,
Darcy will put our best foot forward. So we've left
no one in the dark about our ambition, the opportunity
that we see for christ Church and the club and
the game and for thousands of young kids with regards
(09:51):
to the opportunities and pathways for them.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
And also the rest of the country. Expect other NRL
franchises overly pleased with a second franchise in New Zealand
because steal all of their players off them, because they're
all based on here. Anyway, Lowie time scale, what do
we look at yet here? When are you expecting some
form of response? When do you think something's going to
be green lit as far as a new expansion team,
(10:15):
Because it's quite open, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah? It is.
Speaker 8 (10:18):
But I think the NRL have got a lot on
their played at the moment, you know, they I'd say
they've had heavy focus on what they what their plans
are with P and G and also there's been some
challenges for them by the looks of it with Western Australia.
So we I mean, we're we're not pushing anything. We
just wait and see. We've put we've we've we've given
(10:40):
it our best shot, so now we will just wait
and see that.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
So there's no timeline for you. You're not saying, hey,
you got a year and a half, two years and
as far as your invest.
Speaker 8 (10:50):
Have, we got a have We got a phone call
this afternoon and said can you start straight away? We'll
be into it straight away.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
So you've got a number of investors involved in this
and they're pretty much they're open ended. They're there until
we know one way or the other.
Speaker 8 (11:05):
Of the next few is they know the investors know
exactly the challenges that we're facing.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And there's no issue there, nothing to even worry about.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Why do you think it wouldn't work if you had
any fears about what the ARL, the NRL will say,
where would they sert?
Speaker 8 (11:22):
I've got no idea what I've got no fears about
why it wouldn't work. It's just it's very very solid.
We've you know, when you consider the center of excellence
that will have it's world class. We'll be based out
of Rolliston and it be multi sport and it'll be
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something in the whole of the country can be proud
of because there's nothing like it at the moment.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Take this overall bid with the value of what what
they're saying, Australians threwnd and twenty five million dollars. That's
worth the license fee and so on and so forth.
Where does most of that money come from?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Graham?
Speaker 8 (11:59):
It comes from varying sources. You know, the investors obviously
provide a bit, but there's we've got partners and and
there's very various sources it comes from.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
And so with the sceneser at Rolliston rubber stamp, does
that been approved or you're not going to go on
that until you know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I mean, we can't, we can't.
Speaker 8 (12:19):
It's a it's it might seund you know, a little
bit unusual for a lot of your listeners, Darcy. But
until we get the tick. When we get the tick,
it'll be put flat on the floor. So we can't
we can't do anything until we get an understanding of
where the NRL see us.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
As simple as that.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
And Finally, with the home games at Taka, I don't
know so many people are so keen to see that
place open. That's a reality. You're not fighting with anyone
else for for dates. That's going to be fine.
Speaker 8 (12:49):
You're presuming, oh no, no, that's that's all fine. That's
that will be our base and it'll be just just fantastic.
And I mean, you just can't just imagine the first
game the Southern orc is up against the Warriors, can
you Can you just sit back from and get you
around that and think about what that you know, what
what it will, What it be for the Warriors, for
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the for the Orcers, for the for the whole Canterbury region,
be fantastic, mat just be absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
The fee to be paid to the NRL, the aar L,
whoever's involved, it's been set around sixty sixty five million dollars.
What have you in mark for that? What kind of
offer are you putting? Ford Graham?
Speaker 8 (13:30):
Oh well, I think that's there's a lot of things
we've got to keep confidential, and that's one of them.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And I'm sure you'll understand that.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I wish we knew you couldn't give us a wee
hint courd you, Sir Graham.
Speaker 8 (13:43):
I wish I could, but I find you're a really
good friend, But no, I can't give you, idiot.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
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Speaker 3 (13:57):
That's Sir Graham Malowe. Southern Orcas are Rugby League chairman
talking about the release around again, another South Island based
attempting to get a foot in the door of the
n r L. A tealing chat with Sir Graham low
I'm in full support of another NRL team here in
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our Toro and his Zeland to Uponami down the South.
Absolutely hot, better leg wonderful history. We've got the the
group that's been backed by Tony Kidd, that's got Frank
Endercott involved. You've got the Kia with David Moffett and
of course the Orcas here with Graham low All jostling
(14:40):
for position. Go back on what we're just talking to
Graham Lowe about. It's chasing ghosts. There's nothing solid there.
There's nothing solid as far as we have a ground,
(15:02):
we have a training facility, we have a team. They
don't have anything. There's some promises from some benefactors. Great,
there's the concept of a great, big training center. Great,
but it's not simple because nothing's going to happen until
they've been given the not the go ahead by the NRL. Now,
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if it's true that Abdoh and the Landis have not
had any discussions with anyone involved in any of these franchises,
and you'll be led to believe that is the case.
Moffatt saying we need to get a meeting, and Lowie
they're saying, well, we don't really know because we haven't
talked to them. We need to lift our gain. We
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lift again to what if you're not talking to them,
how do you know where you need to lift your
game too? Surely you need a target, surely need something
to work with. Surely you need a conversation, You need
a two way debate around the strength the weaknesses of
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your bid. It's best if you're talking three hundred million plus,
not reverie. This is a serious money, all of these
teams involved, and on the face of it you would
like to think, well, I don't believe because I don't know.
They don't want another New Zealand's team. They're paying lip service,
(16:35):
They're throwing out crumbs bread crumbs to try and keep
people interested in the NRAL in New Zealand. I don't
think for one New York second, they're interested in having
a team here in New Zealand. They go to a
Papua New Guine who's a whole lot more money. They
want to go to Perth, and I understand that. Look
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after your Australian power base. It is the National Rugby
League Australia, not of New Zealand. And granted, so many
of the players now in the NRAL New Zealand, New
Zealanders or have New Zealand roots, and there's a lot
of people over here who love the inn around and
they want to watch it. But I don't see any
reason why the NRL would allow another team to start
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off because I don't think they care. And if you
look at the way it's officiated, you look at the
response of the Landers and the light when something goes wrong,
they don't care. They're not interested. They don't like us,
they don't want us, they pought up with us. We're
not getting another team. But on a feel for these
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three groups that are attempting to climb into it. With
Moffat and with Kidden and with Low and these guys
are serious players, but I think they've been I think
they're being strung along. I think the NRL playing games,
and the further they keep their silence, the more I
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think that's the case. I think they're taking the purse.
Here's my French what do you think? Twenty four minutes
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is z B z B. I'd say this is never
going to happen, and it's almost mean just any faith
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in it ever happening. With all due respect to the
parties involved, I don't think the NRL of any respect
at all to what happens over here. This is News
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What an anthem twenty seven after seven Sports Talk Care
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Twenty twenty four. The NRL don't want a team over here,
do they do? They they care? They bangers lip service.
I really feel sorry for the three groups that are
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attempting to drag one over. I just don't think, well,
they're not listening, so they don't care. Minimal, minimal chances,
even though I'd love it, right, Greg, how are you.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
Doc?
Speaker 9 (19:33):
I watched on Sky News Australia the very story about
that part of New Guinea application for a franchise into
the NRL, and it is hugely politically motivated. You can
fact check me on this. This was on your channel
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that I listened to. This alban Easy was asked by
the NRL to bankroll I think about eight one million dollars.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Six hundred million, and they give them, didn't they.
Speaker 9 (20:10):
To support to support this franchise in pap New Guinea
And the exchange from part of New Guinea was that
they would not have such productive talks with the Chinese
about developing ports over there. You've heard this, yeah, right, Okay,
So I think that's where the whole discussion starts and ends.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Well, there's nothing in it for the NRL with the
Australian government to set up another TV is there?
Speaker 9 (20:40):
Well, well no it's not. But I mean, I mean,
why would they these guys that are supposedly backing this
thing in christ Church? I mean christ Church. You might
get a big crowd for a game, a big game,
but it's it's like here we are. I'm in Dunedin
under the stadium, under the roof of the stadium. Would
they bring it south? And if they did, there might
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be two or three thousand people. It's just a pipe tree.
I mean, we don't have the populace and we don't
have the enthusiasm. And I'm a football man, mate, a
bit of love all sport, rugby, roby, league, football, you
name it.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
But I think Greg what we've seen though, when the
Warriors do come down. We did have internationals in christ
there is a big turn out. Now how long that lasts,
we're not sure. But it is a big, brand new,
beautiful stadium. There's plenty of accommodation, so I can see
where they'd be enthused by utilizing what they've got and
generate some money. But you've got no interest from the
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people you're trying to impress. So what are you doing.
Speaker 9 (21:43):
Well exactly, And there's not the populace in christ choose
to back it up with ten thousand people every week,
it's not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Well, how now fifty thousand?
Speaker 9 (21:56):
I don't know, mate, check it out. But the thing
that I want to emphasize is that that Papua New
Guinea application for a franchise is based upon the Australian
tax player putting in millions and millions and millions of dollars.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, I think six hundred million was aroundable what they're
looking at. Hey, Greg, thanks for much for our calling
in really appreciated. One hundred and eighty ten eighty with
a number nationwide it's twenty nine minutes to eight.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Welcome Paul, Yeah, hi dar See. Yeah, there's there's a
lot to sort of unravel here. I totally disagree with
that last guy in terms of the populace, you know
yourself at fifty percent or more of players in the
specific islands of Maori or here, you know, So that
alone seas to me we are losing one hundreds and
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hundreds of young kids to serve the NRL and other clubs.
The other clubs have also set up academies. The Bulldogs
the only a set up academies. There's some christ Church
and around the country.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I think maybe that the populace won't support the want
for crowd numbers. Is there enough people in christ Judge
over a regular NERL season to constantly fill the stadium.
I think that's he is referencing.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Uh, there's a real hunger there for for n r L.
If you look at the Warriors that they had pre
season games and that was sold out, I'm not sure
if the Crusaders have ever sold out a pre season game. Yes, yes,
it's a it's a it's you know, it's the kind
of novelty factor. Yes, but absolutely like like you know,
it's it's a hotbed of rugby league down in there.
(23:28):
You know, there's the andies and directionally, yet the keywis test,
you know. And I've heard Andy's talk about expansion and
talk about including New Zealand. Whenever he has a conversation
about expansion, he includes in New Zealand. So you know, yeah,
sure you know that there are three bits happening, but
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one of them will get will get the green light?
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Do you really believe that? Do you think there is
a want and a desire to have another team? I
keep the feeling that sad paying the slip service. I
don't want to do it.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Oh they do. It's it's it's and it's also the
broadcasters who wanted as well you know, they're aiming for
a twenty twenty ten competition ultimately, and that will that
will little little down the amount of rounds down to
twenty or twenty one rounds, which which will free up
you know, weeks and months for international for net that's
the ultimate goal. The broadcasters want more games and if
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there's there's more eyeballs in another country across the ditch,
one hundred percent, there's broadcasters, that's what they're after. So
you know that next broadcast deal will be smashed. You
know that the two two billion, the last two billion
dollar deal will be smashed in the next in the
next one with the NRLW also coming in. So yeah,
I know people have their doubters and nothing that much
(24:45):
is happening, But I'm I'm sure there's a lot bubbly
underneath the surface monas that's going on.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Well maybe evol you heard Instagram low there and he
was grasping its straws too there, whether we're ghosts out there,
like what what do you have to lift? Or we
don't know what do you have to do, We don't
know what do you have to project? We don't know
how much are you going to give them? I'm not
telling you. There were so many variables I found it
there was nothing to hold on to. And if you're
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not talking to the people in control, how on earth
are you supposed to launch irrelevant bid if you don't
know what you're aiming at.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah, I'm not sure if they if they're talking to.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
Them or not.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
I mean, but one thing I do know is that
you know, you know, having strong bids like they do,
we've got three bits, well there are three bits, yeah,
the likes of Moffett and so forth, So you know
they've done their due diligence. And I know you know,
like I said before, Darcy, they want to they want
(25:43):
to they want to expand it. There are another three
things they want to get to twenty one in Perth
one and pupa New Guinea and obviously obviously the obviously
the other one is in New Zengan.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Well, Paul, I, I hope you're right. I can't buy
into it. And when all three of those bids were
rejected by the NRL, so now they're scrabbling around trying
to offer more more what O eight one hundred eighty
ten eighty eight. The more I hear, the more you read,
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the more. You see it looks like one way traffic. Please, sir,
can we have some more? And sirs just shut the
door on us and we've got their leg and the
door and it's just been shut so hard that there's
a foot in an ankle left on the thresholders Gross
twenty five minutes away from eight oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty lines are open. We're not going to get
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one in christ. I don't think the NRL want one here.
They're pretending to play the game because they like a
wee bit of New Zealand participation. They're not interested. It's
the pain of the ass for them. Why would they
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Darcy Watergrave n RL National Rugby League. Who's National rugby League?
Not our National Rugby League? Is the Australian National Rugby League.
Theirs and the bottom line has to be, because they
are not a charity. And I think you've seen Vilandis
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is quite a cutthroat car at, a good negotiator. He
knows what he wants now to get it. If they
do their maths and go actually old and there's nothing
and for us, what's the point what we're just doing
to be nice to our neighbors. Next they're not going
to do it. And if they're not meeting with anybody,
how on earth you in any traction? If you just
knocking at the door, then I answering, Derek, long time mate,
(28:10):
how are you?
Speaker 7 (28:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (28:12):
Good?
Speaker 11 (28:12):
I actually had after they went down there for the
Revy League test, there was talk that they were only
really interested in any type of money or sponsorship coming
out of either the local government or central government. I
heard that. I was so anytime when I heard Graham
A talking about, well we've got these people who were
(28:32):
interested private equity, et cetera. They weren't really interested in that.
Then he wanted money coming out of local government or
central government. That's what they actually said. And I thought
to myself, I always wanted this was going to happen,
because you build a pretty close to a billion dollar
stadium down there for thirty three thirty five thousand people.
You said it yourself. Christ doesn't really have the population
(28:54):
I think.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I think it's four hundred thousand. I threw a figure
around roughly four hundred thousand.
Speaker 11 (28:59):
So it's issue, you know, from there. So I moved up.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Twenty five there twenty five years ago. I moved to come.
Speaker 10 (29:07):
On, Yes, we love your being up here, and we
love you're being up here, you know, one of us. Look,
the thing was, you know, you've got the Crusaders playing
what's three months there, and then the rest of the
season you're thinking, well, what are they going to what
are they going to be doing here? And I think
a lot of the standards we've seen in recent times
of stadiums is going to be set by Mount Smart
even though you know people are probably thinking what's the
(29:30):
point ahead, Yeah, well, they're selling out every match that
the Warriors are playing. And now you've got a summer
a league club that's playing there and they're doing pretty well.
In between, you've got the rugby league match there with
Tongue of playing and they were selling out.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
They're obviously attendance is concerned and availability right around the
year because there's no other standards. You're going to see
that head plays.
Speaker 11 (29:53):
Really, let's not forget that. Once that stadium is built,
that's not the end of it. I mean, the taxpayers
will have done their bit, they'll have built the stadium,
paid for it. Then you've got to get the rate
payers to I mean, first of all, you've got to
you've got to run the stadium. That's you've got to
get naming rights.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
The Telco company have climbed on board. They want to
call it after them, but I'm calling it to Kaha.
I'm more interested.
Speaker 11 (30:16):
Well, a very interesting I saw a very interesting article
about the Caketon Stadium at the beginning of the season.
You've probably read this as well, where it said that
they can no longer afford the insurance payments, So the
Caketon is no longer ensured any more. Parts of it is,
but the main part of it is no longer insured.
So you get a situation like what happened down at
(30:36):
uh what was that? Was it Taranaki Stadium? What's it
called Yarrow Stadium? Yeah, they remember they rebuilt and they've
rebuilt most of it and they've then the rest is
going to finish in twenty twenty five. They are now
filling that stadium up, well, the part of the stadium
they cancel up and they had a great season in
the NPC. The NBC was brilliant this year and so
that's that's worked out quite well. But this is going
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to cost a heck of a lot more to run
the stadium and if if you're not filling it out
with a very enthusiastic population without having a professional county.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. The NRAL
probably are pretty cold sholds on.
Speaker 12 (31:11):
The whole idea.
Speaker 11 (31:12):
Just the thought of it's quite an exciting thing when
you think of the w match that they have recently
between the Menex in autumn. Think about it, if it
was Canterbury versus Auckland, it would be it would be
a tremendous match.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Can we go back to the old MPC days, Derek?
Can it be amazing? Hey, thanks for your call. Good
to hear from me again. And it's seventeen minutes to eight.
Chris joins us. High Chris on the NRL. What have
you got?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (31:36):
Well, well, first of all, well, what I'm going to
say about the buddy in New Zealand rugby league is
what sort of organization in sport New Zealand doesn't let
a coach stay on when the year before they've just
beaten Australia and the biggest in the highest margin and
(31:57):
thrashing in New Zealand rugby league history.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
That was McGuire wanted to go and coach at the
State of originally. So there comes a situation between this
and that. Well apparently it did. Next why he's not
doing it?
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Well, well, okay, but but I'll tell you what I
used to go when I lived in Timro. I to
go up to that before the Puffs from from Canaby
and the Crusaders movie.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Yeah, I'm not putting out with that language. Sixteen minutes
away from eight, This is sports Talk on news Talk
zeb Allen High. How are you?
Speaker 7 (32:29):
I'm perfect just thinking about you. Actually, you're very topical.
You're bringing up rugby league. So the next biggest thing's
tongue a versus Australia, right, the international program.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Right inter nationally years.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
So actually, in my opinion, Darcy, the n RL is
the national rugby league competition of Australia. I might be
a prodocative. I don't think any any club house partner
in New Guinea. Christ is not the Warriors turned prolong
there that you know they tried that been so you
(33:09):
know malbourn lingers right, Darcy, like we need to grow
the international program. The Warrior is like, who wants to
come from Australia? You go to Mount smart Well.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I tell you what, Ellen, I'd rather do that than
fly to Perth. There's always that, right or Port Moresby.
I'm not sure we're talking about the International Games. When
your texts. I'll run through a few of those later
on the piece. It's News Talks e B. It is
quarter to eight. Coming up next, Larry Mainz joints form
all Black coach All Black team named to play Iland
(33:44):
on Saturday. Pretty standard, would expect most of it. He's
in the group, has been we's not been dropped for
the second week. You got to dropped the first week.
They're not picking them hot and he's still on the
floor discipline the issues, but they won't tell us anything else.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Is that fair? And right?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Warry with his views coming up shortly here on News Talks.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
He be good Lord.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Dumb Shadow whisky.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Histories.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
There's a party downtown your Fish Street.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Do you have anybody had bugets. It's all about rugby
on the show now, and we're joined by a former
All Black coach, Lorry Mains, as we look towards Saturday
morning's big pie fight in Ireland. Welcome Larry Mains.
Speaker 12 (34:39):
I trust you well, I'm very well, thank you.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
This has got so much on it and when you
look back to what happened in a quarter final, and
of course everybody is very focused on that World Cup game,
there is so much for both sides to take away
from that game and to apply to the game coming
up on Saturday morning. Is there a chance that the
Irish could get too tied up on revenge and the
(35:04):
All Blacks the same?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Well?
Speaker 12 (35:06):
Do I mean that game shouldn't come into the preparations
for this match. That era is over for both teams.
The era leading up to that World Cup quarterfinal is over.
Both of these teams should be starting again to build
for the next World Cup. If Ireland going with a
revenge attitude, I don't think it'll work out well for them.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Looking at the lineups for the two teams, there's been
some adjustments, some changes forced by injury with type ferling
of course for the Iris, but no Boden Barrett, No,
Cody Taylor. How much of a body blow is that?
Do you think? Laurie to the run on fifteen? Indeed
the entire twenty three.
Speaker 12 (35:47):
I think they'll miss Bowden, you know, whether it was
he was going to be starting or whether you know
he was going to come off the bench, he'll be missed.
And Cody Taylor, I think his form this year has
been simply outstanding, so he'll be missed as well. But
if Amua gets the line outs right, he was a
(36:07):
fantastic player around the park against England and I'm sure
they worked very hard a week to get the line
outs right and if that comes right then it won't
be too too big a blow to the All Blacks
at all.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Another point around their selection here is prop Ethan the
group misses out on the match day squad like he
did through disciplinary reasons last week. Robertson said it was
a performance decision to go with to Mighty Williams over
the group.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
He was in there.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
He played well last week. Talk to us even though
you can't delve into it because you're not Scott Robertson,
you don't know what happened there. It talked to us
about internal discipline and the way the All Blacks have
kept this very much to themselves, if not said too much,
and it's it's been watertight. Is that a positive? Is
this the way the All Blacks should deal with internal
(36:58):
disciplinary issues?
Speaker 12 (37:00):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
It is.
Speaker 12 (37:01):
And I'm delighted that the whatever happened has not being
sniffed out by anyone. That shows real strength of character
in the team and team spirit. And I'm delighted and
I'd be very happy if I never ever hear what
happened and I can see. You know, Ethan Degruz has
(37:25):
been regarded as number one. He may be at scrum
time a shade better than to Mighty Williams. There's not
a lot in it. But last week I was really
impressed with Williams's work around the paddock. He's quite explosive
running with a ball and I thought he played really
well and he's deserved to be selected again.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
So you give someone an opportunity, I suppose it's there
to be taken, isn't it. And that's just the cruel
nature of selection in any team. And to Mighty got
given the opportunity took it.
Speaker 12 (37:59):
Yeah, Well that's what that's exactly what you want in
the team. And believe me, those All Blacks all respect
each other doing that very thing, and Ethan the group
will respect. To Mighty Williams, if that's the reason he's
selected again this week because of his performance last week,
I'm sure Ethan will be right behind him, supporting him
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in that. That's what the All Blacks are about.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
We'll look slightly closer at the dark arts shortly on
that just around the public perception of this. They don't
know what happened, so in a vacuum people fill up
with all sorts of stuff. Did the public not have
a right to know what the problem was with Ethan
the group?
Speaker 12 (38:39):
No, No, I think I think that that needs to
be kept in house. And I really respect the team
and it's the whole team and the greater team with
the management and everything have been tight looked about it,
and I think that's a good thing. I don't think
it was a major there go I you know, there
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may have been a disciplinary slip which caused him not
being selected last week, And to Mighty Williams said, Okay, I've.
Speaker 11 (39:10):
Got to go.
Speaker 12 (39:11):
I want to play again next week, so I am
having a big game and he did have.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
A big game.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Well we know he's bossed, don't we. It's definitely Scott
Robertson's team. He's definitely made his mark on that. This
is what's happening. No league's coming out of it. So
you said about it management, But it's a big tick,
isn't it? For Razor Robinson?
Speaker 12 (39:28):
Well it is, and we're starting to see in the
All Blacks the same sort of culture and development that
we saw with the Great Crusader sides that he coached.
And I'm sure this is what we all wanted to
see stepping up another level that Scott Robinson does the
same thing with the All Blacks, and I can see
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it happening. And believe me, at international level, when you
have the quality of opposition that the All Blacks have
had this year, it doesn't happen overnight. And you know,
for me, he's tracking pretty well and I think we're
going to see a significant upturn next year. We may
even see it on the remainder of this tour, but
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you know, the building blocks are definitely getting in place.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Coffee week, books, rugby, first thing on Saturday morning. Couldn't
ask for much more than that. Laurie mains always a pleasure.
Thanks very much for you insight, your expertise and your knowledge,
HULD you appreciate.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
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on their plate. Come ten past nine Saturday morning, we're
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they're alive and free through the mind of the mouth
and the throat and the tongue and the teeth of
Elliott Smith. He has got the commentary, a couple of adjustments,
couple of changes in the side and forced by injury,
and then Ethan de Groot still not in the side
after whatever he did a couple of weeks back. We'll
talk about that action and the new guys and the
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team with Lurie mains coming up toward the end of
the program, we get things running over. Sir graham Low
are the Southern Orcas Rugby League chairman. Look, this only
came out a couple of hours ago. They've got an
official NRL expansion bid that they've sent it out the NRL.
I've got it and they're talking millions and millions and
(02:00):
millions of dollars three hundred and sixty million dollars Australian.
I think is that it's a fair whack coin, isn't
it to try and climb on board the NRL train
one of what is it three consortiums attempting to get
the nod from abdoh and the Landers don't really seem
(02:23):
to want to listen do that, But it's the story.
You're going to talk to, say Graham shortly about that.
What they've done, what they have to do, what they know,
what they don't, what the time band is, how long
they've got The list goes on and on and on,
and Sir graham Low would join us to discuss that
shortly in eight minutes after seven, Let's do this Sport
(02:44):
Today and in Sport Today, drama, intrigue, controversy, name calling
red cards. Nothing changes. When the All Backs take on
the Irish coach Andy Farrell expects more of the same.
Nothing changes, does this. They're still on a standing side,
classes side that's going to be hard to beat. And
you know there's always a bit of drama, isn't that
(03:04):
when when I play in New Zealand expect more of
the same.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
There's about that.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
The touring English flat track bully sorry that the men's
first eleving cricket team will bring aggression an acceleration to
the upcoming three Test series against New Zealand. Black capt
skipper Tom Latham remembers the last time they rolled into
town and the strategy won't change.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
We obviously had a pretty exciting Test series a couple
of years ago against them is that famous game and Wellington,
So I'm sure the series will be no different than
They've got a tacking brand that they like to play
and I'm sure it will be no different.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
The Pacific Championship was all made a mistake that may
have helped to Tonga to secure victory over the kiwis Kiwi.
Coach Stacy Jones reflects, Yeah, they put their hand up
and said they've got an area wrong.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Of it, but they said that they couldn't go back
and cheap the Marcus. I'm not too sure there's any
great areas and challenging.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
And whatnot, but it was at the death of the
game and quite frankly they didn't deserve the win. Right
last ten minutes on a tech was an absolute shambles
and peddler Daniel Houses claimed the fifth leg of the
Tour of Southland one hundred and fifty four k of
hard slog from m Baca Gal Cackle to the bluff.
He did it and he picked up the candy.
Speaker 7 (04:19):
Watching the highlights of yesterday's stage, just working myself into
a mindset to get it done today.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
So I'm telling everyone as well that this was the
day that I sort of air marketIn of the Queen stage.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
And that's sport today. Ten after seven news came out
only a couple of hours ago. The Southern orcers have
climbed back on board again to try and persuade the
NRAL the AARL to grant them a franchise license for
the second NRL team based in New Zealand. There are
(04:50):
a number of consortiums out there. There's this one, there's
one without really a name Tony Kird behind that, and
then of course David Moffatt behind the Kia. They want
to be involved. The South Island wants to be involved.
They were all roundly reject by Abdoh and by the
Landers of recent times, suggesting, among other things, there's not
(05:15):
enough money in it for them. They need a bigger,
better and better proposal from all of these teams. If
you really want to get into the NRL, what have
you got. So people are still jostling, they're still elbowing,
and a team that's at the front of the jostle
right now is the Southern Orcas. We're talking now to
Sir Graham Low, the chairman of the Orcas rugby Leaguet bid.
(05:39):
Welcome to the show, Sir Graham.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I hope you're will I'm well, Darcy, thank you mate.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
So the Southern Orcas looking for an NRL license. Just
just fill us on on where we sit right now.
There was reports going around recently that the NRL wanted
a pile of money. I don't know how much truth was,
and that who Abdoh and Thelanders met when they came
over here, no one really knows. So just put us
in a position what do we know at the.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Moment very much. No, not the same as you.
Speaker 8 (06:08):
So we submitted a bid a while ago when the
opportunity was there, and part of that part of that process,
then we were entered into NDA, which we start rigidly too,
so that that's why no one's had any idea, not
even the slightest until today. So it's been it's been
a long sort of a process. But it sort of
(06:29):
brightened up that I suppose when when Peter Landy's a
chairman of the League of the Australian leageat came out
and said that all the bid is needed to lift
their game.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
So we've taken it.
Speaker 8 (06:39):
We took that on board, spent a lot more time
on it because we didn't have a lot of time
the first In the first instance, the NRAL didn't give
us many days to put everything together. But we've put
our best foot forward now and so we just await
with bated breath and see the impact that it's had
on the NRL.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
You said lift your game or they have to everyone
has to lift their game. Was that purely a financial
input situation? Where else would you lift money?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
So don't really know what they meant.
Speaker 8 (07:13):
They didn't give us any explanation that was you know,
we pretty much that was all that all that was said,
you know, and Peter Velandi's made it pretty clear in
the media we actually didn't to tell the truth, Darcy.
We didn't think we were far off the mark in
the first place, but we took it on board. You know,
we've had more time, had more time now. But the
presentation that we put forward for the media today, even
(07:35):
though it sounds like I'm big noting I thought were
stunning and has certainly given them plenty to consider.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
It's not a bit risky, though, Graham, if you don't
really know what they meant by left and you're not
really sure what they're after to put a whole lot
of work and effort and power into something you're not
quite sure where it's going, you see it. I'm hinting
at there.
Speaker 8 (07:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, But I mean that's that's how it is.
So we don't make the rules, and we just want
to fit in and be as helpful as we can
in the whole process put forward something that we consider
will be hard for them or you know, be interesting
to see if there's a reason why it's not successful.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
So we put our best foot forward. It's really well supported.
Speaker 8 (08:16):
We had a fantastic was received really really well from
the Sydney media today when we did it, and it's
it's you know it really I suppose everybody thinks the same,
Everyone that's putting a bid in thinks the same wherever
they are. But I'm just absolutely totally confident we've done
a professional job. We've explained a vision and we've given
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them what we think it can do for the for
the game, but more in particular for christ Church, for
the South Island, what it can do for the future
and the avenues that can take take the game and
the Orcas down and with the NRL. So anything you
can think of, we've tried to cover as well as
we possibly can.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Tair of the Southern Orcas bidden for the NRL to
become a South Island franchise in the NRLs. Name's Graham Lowe,
he joins us. Now, so today accept this plane. Was
there anything official or did you stick it in their mailbox?
You just sit back and wait. We wants the process
from now well.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I expect that that NRL will be well aware of it.
Speaker 8 (09:17):
They'll have a copy of the of the release so
we'll just wait and see.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Well, so no official communications between you or or the
ar L or the NRLs.
Speaker 8 (09:29):
That's that's That's how it seems to have been with everyone.
So it leaves you a little bit in the dark.
So we wanted to put That's where I was saying,
Darcy will put our best foot forward. So we've left
no one in the dark about our ambition, the opportunity
that we see for christ Church and the club and
the game and for thousands of young kids with regards
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to the opportunities and pathways for them.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
And also the rest of the country. Expect other NRL
franchises overly pleased with a second franchise in New Zealand
because steal all of their players off them, because they're
all based on here. Anyway, Lowie time scale, what do
we look at yet here? When are you expecting some
form of response? When do you think something's going to
be green lit as far as a new expansion team,
(10:15):
Because it's quite open, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah? It is.
Speaker 8 (10:18):
But I think the NRL have got a lot on
their played at the moment, you know, they I'd say
they've had heavy focus on what they what their plans
are with P and G and also there's been some
challenges for them by the looks of it with Western Australia.
So we I mean, we're we're not pushing anything. We
just wait and see. We've put we've we've we've given
(10:40):
it our best shot, so now we will just wait
and see that.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
So there's no timeline for you. You're not saying, hey,
you got a year and a half, two years and
as far as your invest.
Speaker 8 (10:50):
Have, we got a have We got a phone call
this afternoon and said can you start straight away? We'll
be into it straight away.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
So you've got a number of investors involved in this
and they're pretty much they're open ended. They're there until
we know one way or the other.
Speaker 8 (11:05):
Of the next few is they know the investors know
exactly the challenges that we're facing.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And there's no issue there, nothing to even worry about.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Why do you think it wouldn't work if you had
any fears about what the ARL, the NRL will say,
where would they sert?
Speaker 8 (11:22):
I've got no idea what I've got no fears about
why it wouldn't work. It's just it's very very solid.
We've you know, when you consider the center of excellence
that will have it's world class. We'll be based out
of Rolliston and it be multi sport and it'll be
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something in the whole of the country can be proud
of because there's nothing like it at the moment.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Take this overall bid with the value of what what
they're saying, Australians threwnd and twenty five million dollars. That's
worth the license fee and so on and so forth.
Where does most of that money come from?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Graham?
Speaker 8 (11:59):
It comes from varying sources. You know, the investors obviously
provide a bit, but there's we've got partners and and
there's very various sources it comes from.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
And so with the sceneser at Rolliston rubber stamp, does
that been approved or you're not going to go on
that until you know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I mean, we can't, we can't.
Speaker 8 (12:19):
It's a it's it might seund you know, a little
bit unusual for a lot of your listeners, Darcy. But
until we get the tick. When we get the tick,
it'll be put flat on the floor. So we can't
we can't do anything until we get an understanding of
where the NRL see us.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
As simple as that.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
And Finally, with the home games at Taka, I don't
know so many people are so keen to see that
place open. That's a reality. You're not fighting with anyone
else for for dates. That's going to be fine.
Speaker 8 (12:49):
You're presuming, oh no, no, that's that's all fine. That's
that will be our base and it'll be just just fantastic.
And I mean, you just can't just imagine the first
game the Southern orc is up against the Warriors, can
you Can you just sit back from and get you
around that and think about what that you know, what
what it will, What it be for the Warriors, for
(13:10):
the for the Orcers, for the for the whole Canterbury region,
be fantastic, mat just be absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
The fee to be paid to the NRL, the aar L,
whoever's involved, it's been set around sixty sixty five million dollars.
What have you in mark for that? What kind of
offer are you putting? Ford Graham?
Speaker 8 (13:30):
Oh well, I think that's there's a lot of things
we've got to keep confidential, and that's one of them.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And I'm sure you'll understand that.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I wish we knew you couldn't give us a wee
hint courd you, Sir Graham.
Speaker 8 (13:43):
I wish I could, but I find you're a really
good friend, But no, I can't give you, idiot.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
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Speaker 3 (13:57):
That's Sir Graham Malowe. Southern Orcas are Rugby League chairman
talking about the release around again, another South Island based
attempting to get a foot in the door of the
n r L. A tealing chat with Sir Graham low
I'm in full support of another NRL team here in
(14:19):
our Toro and his Zeland to Uponami down the South.
Absolutely hot, better leg wonderful history. We've got the the
group that's been backed by Tony Kidd, that's got Frank
Endercott involved. You've got the Kia with David Moffett and
of course the Orcas here with Graham low All jostling
(14:40):
for position. Go back on what we're just talking to
Graham Lowe about. It's chasing ghosts. There's nothing solid there.
There's nothing solid as far as we have a ground,
(15:02):
we have a training facility, we have a team. They
don't have anything. There's some promises from some benefactors. Great,
there's the concept of a great, big training center. Great,
but it's not simple because nothing's going to happen until
they've been given the not the go ahead by the NRL. Now,
(15:29):
if it's true that Abdoh and the Landis have not
had any discussions with anyone involved in any of these franchises,
and you'll be led to believe that is the case.
Moffatt saying we need to get a meeting, and Lowie
they're saying, well, we don't really know because we haven't
talked to them. We need to lift our gain. We
(15:49):
lift again to what if you're not talking to them,
how do you know where you need to lift your
game too? Surely you need a target, surely need something
to work with. Surely you need a conversation, You need
a two way debate around the strength the weaknesses of
(16:10):
your bid. It's best if you're talking three hundred million plus,
not reverie. This is a serious money, all of these
teams involved, and on the face of it you would
like to think, well, I don't believe because I don't know.
They don't want another New Zealand's team. They're paying lip service,
(16:35):
They're throwing out crumbs bread crumbs to try and keep
people interested in the NRAL in New Zealand. I don't
think for one New York second, they're interested in having
a team here in New Zealand. They go to a
Papua New Guine who's a whole lot more money. They
want to go to Perth, and I understand that. Look
(16:55):
after your Australian power base. It is the National Rugby
League Australia, not of New Zealand. And granted, so many
of the players now in the NRAL New Zealand, New
Zealanders or have New Zealand roots, and there's a lot
of people over here who love the inn around and
they want to watch it. But I don't see any
reason why the NRL would allow another team to start
(17:20):
off because I don't think they care. And if you
look at the way it's officiated, you look at the
response of the Landers and the light when something goes wrong,
they don't care. They're not interested. They don't like us,
they don't want us, they pought up with us. We're
not getting another team. But on a feel for these
(17:42):
three groups that are attempting to climb into it. With
Moffat and with Kidden and with Low and these guys
are serious players, but I think they've been I think
they're being strung along. I think the NRL playing games,
and the further they keep their silence, the more I
(18:03):
think that's the case. I think they're taking the purse.
Here's my French what do you think? Twenty four minutes
after seven, This is News Talk ZB lines open oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty text nineteen ninety two. That
is z B z B. I'd say this is never
going to happen, and it's almost mean just any faith
(18:24):
in it ever happening. With all due respect to the
parties involved, I don't think the NRL of any respect
at all to what happens over here. This is News
Talk ZB twenty five parts seven say no need for
the TMO.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
We've got the breakdown on Sports Talk call eight hundred
eighty News TALKSP.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
What an anthem twenty seven after seven Sports Talk Care
and News Talks ZB on Thursday night, seventh of No.
Twenty twenty four. The NRL don't want a team over here,
do they do? They they care? They bangers lip service.
I really feel sorry for the three groups that are
(19:18):
attempting to drag one over. I just don't think, well,
they're not listening, so they don't care. Minimal, minimal chances,
even though I'd love it, right, Greg, how are you.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
Doc?
Speaker 9 (19:33):
I watched on Sky News Australia the very story about
that part of New Guinea application for a franchise into
the NRL, and it is hugely politically motivated. You can
fact check me on this. This was on your channel
(19:56):
that I listened to. This alban Easy was asked by
the NRL to bankroll I think about eight one million dollars.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Six hundred million, and they give them, didn't they.
Speaker 9 (20:10):
To support to support this franchise in pap New Guinea
And the exchange from part of New Guinea was that
they would not have such productive talks with the Chinese
about developing ports over there. You've heard this, yeah, right, Okay,
So I think that's where the whole discussion starts and ends.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Well, there's nothing in it for the NRL with the
Australian government to set up another TV is there?
Speaker 9 (20:40):
Well, well no it's not. But I mean, I mean,
why would they these guys that are supposedly backing this
thing in christ Church? I mean christ Church. You might
get a big crowd for a game, a big game,
but it's it's like here we are. I'm in Dunedin
under the stadium, under the roof of the stadium. Would
they bring it south? And if they did, there might
(21:02):
be two or three thousand people. It's just a pipe tree.
I mean, we don't have the populace and we don't
have the enthusiasm. And I'm a football man, mate, a
bit of love all sport, rugby, roby, league, football, you
name it.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
But I think Greg what we've seen though, when the
Warriors do come down. We did have internationals in christ
there is a big turn out. Now how long that lasts,
we're not sure. But it is a big, brand new,
beautiful stadium. There's plenty of accommodation, so I can see
where they'd be enthused by utilizing what they've got and
generate some money. But you've got no interest from the
(21:40):
people you're trying to impress. So what are you doing.
Speaker 9 (21:43):
Well exactly, And there's not the populace in christ choose
to back it up with ten thousand people every week,
it's not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Well, how now fifty thousand?
Speaker 9 (21:56):
I don't know, mate, check it out. But the thing
that I want to emphasize is that that Papua New
Guinea application for a franchise is based upon the Australian
tax player putting in millions and millions and millions of dollars.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, I think six hundred million was aroundable what they're
looking at. Hey, Greg, thanks for much for our calling
in really appreciated. One hundred and eighty ten eighty with
a number nationwide it's twenty nine minutes to eight.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Welcome Paul, Yeah, hi dar See. Yeah, there's there's a
lot to sort of unravel here. I totally disagree with
that last guy in terms of the populace, you know
yourself at fifty percent or more of players in the
specific islands of Maori or here, you know, So that
alone seas to me we are losing one hundreds and
(22:44):
hundreds of young kids to serve the NRL and other clubs.
The other clubs have also set up academies. The Bulldogs
the only a set up academies. There's some christ Church
and around the country.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I think maybe that the populace won't support the want
for crowd numbers. Is there enough people in christ Judge
over a regular NERL season to constantly fill the stadium.
I think that's he is referencing.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Uh, there's a real hunger there for for n r L.
If you look at the Warriors that they had pre
season games and that was sold out, I'm not sure
if the Crusaders have ever sold out a pre season game. Yes, yes,
it's a it's a it's you know, it's the kind
of novelty factor. Yes, but absolutely like like you know,
it's it's a hotbed of rugby league down in there.
(23:28):
You know, there's the andies and directionally, yet the keywis test,
you know. And I've heard Andy's talk about expansion and
talk about including New Zealand. Whenever he has a conversation
about expansion, he includes in New Zealand. So you know, yeah,
sure you know that there are three bits happening, but
(23:49):
one of them will get will get the green light?
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Do you really believe that? Do you think there is
a want and a desire to have another team? I
keep the feeling that sad paying the slip service. I
don't want to do it.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Oh they do. It's it's it's and it's also the
broadcasters who wanted as well you know, they're aiming for
a twenty twenty ten competition ultimately, and that will that
will little little down the amount of rounds down to
twenty or twenty one rounds, which which will free up
you know, weeks and months for international for net that's
the ultimate goal. The broadcasters want more games and if
(24:23):
there's there's more eyeballs in another country across the ditch,
one hundred percent, there's broadcasters, that's what they're after. So
you know that next broadcast deal will be smashed. You
know that the two two billion, the last two billion
dollar deal will be smashed in the next in the
next one with the NRLW also coming in. So yeah,
I know people have their doubters and nothing that much
(24:45):
is happening, But I'm I'm sure there's a lot bubbly
underneath the surface monas that's going on.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Well maybe evol you heard Instagram low there and he
was grasping its straws too there, whether we're ghosts out there,
like what what do you have to lift? Or we
don't know what do you have to do, We don't
know what do you have to project? We don't know
how much are you going to give them? I'm not
telling you. There were so many variables I found it
there was nothing to hold on to. And if you're
(25:12):
not talking to the people in control, how on earth
are you supposed to launch irrelevant bid if you don't
know what you're aiming at.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah, I'm not sure if they if they're talking to.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
Them or not.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
I mean, but one thing I do know is that
you know, you know, having strong bids like they do,
we've got three bits, well there are three bits, yeah,
the likes of Moffett and so forth, So you know
they've done their due diligence. And I know you know,
like I said before, Darcy, they want to they want
(25:43):
to they want to expand it. There are another three
things they want to get to twenty one in Perth
one and pupa New Guinea and obviously obviously the obviously
the other one is in New Zengan.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Well, Paul, I, I hope you're right. I can't buy
into it. And when all three of those bids were
rejected by the NRL, so now they're scrabbling around trying
to offer more more what O eight one hundred eighty
ten eighty eight. The more I hear, the more you read,
(26:14):
the more. You see it looks like one way traffic. Please, sir,
can we have some more? And sirs just shut the
door on us and we've got their leg and the
door and it's just been shut so hard that there's
a foot in an ankle left on the thresholders Gross
twenty five minutes away from eight oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty lines are open. We're not going to get
(26:36):
one in christ. I don't think the NRL want one here.
They're pretending to play the game because they like a
wee bit of New Zealand participation. They're not interested. It's
the pain of the ass for them. Why would they
hundred eighty ten eighty Let me know your thoughts. You
can text nineteen ninety that z B z B. Larry
(27:00):
Main's for more. Black Coach joins us later and the
piece we'll talk about the team naming and the lack
of a number one. He's still being naughty. His news
talks a life. It's twenty eight Sports Talk here on
(27:26):
Darcy Watergrave n RL National Rugby League. Who's National rugby League?
Not our National Rugby League? Is the Australian National Rugby League.
Theirs and the bottom line has to be, because they
are not a charity. And I think you've seen Vilandis
(27:48):
is quite a cutthroat car at, a good negotiator. He
knows what he wants now to get it. If they
do their maths and go actually old and there's nothing
and for us, what's the point what we're just doing
to be nice to our neighbors. Next they're not going
to do it. And if they're not meeting with anybody,
how on earth you in any traction? If you just
knocking at the door, then I answering, Derek, long time mate,
(28:10):
how are you?
Speaker 7 (28:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (28:12):
Good?
Speaker 11 (28:12):
I actually had after they went down there for the
Revy League test, there was talk that they were only
really interested in any type of money or sponsorship coming
out of either the local government or central government. I
heard that. I was so anytime when I heard Graham
A talking about, well we've got these people who were
(28:32):
interested private equity, et cetera. They weren't really interested in that.
Then he wanted money coming out of local government or
central government. That's what they actually said. And I thought
to myself, I always wanted this was going to happen,
because you build a pretty close to a billion dollar
stadium down there for thirty three thirty five thousand people.
You said it yourself. Christ doesn't really have the population
(28:54):
I think.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I think it's four hundred thousand. I threw a figure
around roughly four hundred thousand.
Speaker 11 (28:59):
So it's issue, you know, from there. So I moved up.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Twenty five there twenty five years ago. I moved to come.
Speaker 10 (29:07):
On, Yes, we love your being up here, and we
love you're being up here, you know, one of us. Look,
the thing was, you know, you've got the Crusaders playing
what's three months there, and then the rest of the
season you're thinking, well, what are they going to what
are they going to be doing here? And I think
a lot of the standards we've seen in recent times
of stadiums is going to be set by Mount Smart
even though you know people are probably thinking what's the
(29:30):
point ahead, Yeah, well, they're selling out every match that
the Warriors are playing. And now you've got a summer
a league club that's playing there and they're doing pretty well.
In between, you've got the rugby league match there with
Tongue of playing and they were selling out.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
They're obviously attendance is concerned and availability right around the
year because there's no other standards. You're going to see
that head plays.
Speaker 11 (29:53):
Really, let's not forget that. Once that stadium is built,
that's not the end of it. I mean, the taxpayers
will have done their bit, they'll have built the stadium,
paid for it. Then you've got to get the rate
payers to I mean, first of all, you've got to
you've got to run the stadium. That's you've got to
get naming rights.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
The Telco company have climbed on board. They want to
call it after them, but I'm calling it to Kaha.
I'm more interested.
Speaker 11 (30:16):
Well, a very interesting I saw a very interesting article
about the Caketon Stadium at the beginning of the season.
You've probably read this as well, where it said that
they can no longer afford the insurance payments, So the
Caketon is no longer ensured any more. Parts of it is,
but the main part of it is no longer insured.
So you get a situation like what happened down at
(30:36):
uh what was that? Was it Taranaki Stadium? What's it
called Yarrow Stadium? Yeah, they remember they rebuilt and they've
rebuilt most of it and they've then the rest is
going to finish in twenty twenty five. They are now
filling that stadium up, well, the part of the stadium
they cancel up and they had a great season in
the NPC. The NBC was brilliant this year and so
that's that's worked out quite well. But this is going
(30:57):
to cost a heck of a lot more to run
the stadium and if if you're not filling it out
with a very enthusiastic population without having a professional county.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. The NRAL
probably are pretty cold sholds on.
Speaker 12 (31:11):
The whole idea.
Speaker 11 (31:12):
Just the thought of it's quite an exciting thing when
you think of the w match that they have recently
between the Menex in autumn. Think about it, if it
was Canterbury versus Auckland, it would be it would be
a tremendous match.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Can we go back to the old MPC days, Derek?
Can it be amazing? Hey, thanks for your call. Good
to hear from me again. And it's seventeen minutes to eight.
Chris joins us. High Chris on the NRL. What have
you got?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (31:36):
Well, well, first of all, well, what I'm going to
say about the buddy in New Zealand rugby league is
what sort of organization in sport New Zealand doesn't let
a coach stay on when the year before they've just
beaten Australia and the biggest in the highest margin and
(31:57):
thrashing in New Zealand rugby league history.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
That was McGuire wanted to go and coach at the
State of originally. So there comes a situation between this
and that. Well apparently it did. Next why he's not
doing it?
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Well, well, okay, but but I'll tell you what I
used to go when I lived in Timro. I to
go up to that before the Puffs from from Canaby
and the Crusaders movie.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Yeah, I'm not putting out with that language. Sixteen minutes
away from eight, This is sports Talk on news Talk
zeb Allen High. How are you?
Speaker 7 (32:29):
I'm perfect just thinking about you. Actually, you're very topical.
You're bringing up rugby league. So the next biggest thing's
tongue a versus Australia, right, the international program.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Right inter nationally years.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
So actually, in my opinion, Darcy, the n RL is
the national rugby league competition of Australia. I might be
a prodocative. I don't think any any club house partner
in New Guinea. Christ is not the Warriors turned prolong
there that you know they tried that been so you
(33:09):
know malbourn lingers right, Darcy, like we need to grow
the international program. The Warrior is like, who wants to
come from Australia? You go to Mount smart Well.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I tell you what, Ellen, I'd rather do that than
fly to Perth. There's always that, right or Port Moresby.
I'm not sure we're talking about the International Games. When
your texts. I'll run through a few of those later
on the piece. It's News Talks e B. It is
quarter to eight. Coming up next, Larry Mainz joints form
all Black coach All Black team named to play Iland
(33:44):
on Saturday. Pretty standard, would expect most of it. He's
in the group, has been we's not been dropped for
the second week. You got to dropped the first week.
They're not picking them hot and he's still on the
floor discipline the issues, but they won't tell us anything else.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Is that fair? And right?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Warry with his views coming up shortly here on News Talks.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
He be good Lord.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Dumb Shadow whisky.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Histories.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
There's a party downtown your Fish Street.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Do you have anybody had bugets. It's all about rugby
on the show now, and we're joined by a former
All Black coach, Lorry Mains, as we look towards Saturday
morning's big pie fight in Ireland. Welcome Larry Mains.
Speaker 12 (34:39):
I trust you well, I'm very well, thank you.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
This has got so much on it and when you
look back to what happened in a quarter final, and
of course everybody is very focused on that World Cup game,
there is so much for both sides to take away
from that game and to apply to the game coming
up on Saturday morning. Is there a chance that the
Irish could get too tied up on revenge and the
(35:04):
All Blacks the same?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Well?
Speaker 12 (35:06):
Do I mean that game shouldn't come into the preparations
for this match. That era is over for both teams.
The era leading up to that World Cup quarterfinal is over.
Both of these teams should be starting again to build
for the next World Cup. If Ireland going with a
revenge attitude, I don't think it'll work out well for them.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Looking at the lineups for the two teams, there's been
some adjustments, some changes forced by injury with type ferling
of course for the Iris, but no Boden Barrett, No,
Cody Taylor. How much of a body blow is that?
Do you think? Laurie to the run on fifteen? Indeed
the entire twenty three.
Speaker 12 (35:47):
I think they'll miss Bowden, you know, whether it was
he was going to be starting or whether you know
he was going to come off the bench, he'll be missed.
And Cody Taylor, I think his form this year has
been simply outstanding, so he'll be missed as well. But
if Amua gets the line outs right, he was a
(36:07):
fantastic player around the park against England and I'm sure
they worked very hard a week to get the line
outs right and if that comes right then it won't
be too too big a blow to the All Blacks
at all.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Another point around their selection here is prop Ethan the
group misses out on the match day squad like he
did through disciplinary reasons last week. Robertson said it was
a performance decision to go with to Mighty Williams over
the group.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
He was in there.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
He played well last week. Talk to us even though
you can't delve into it because you're not Scott Robertson,
you don't know what happened there. It talked to us
about internal discipline and the way the All Blacks have
kept this very much to themselves, if not said too much,
and it's it's been watertight. Is that a positive? Is
this the way the All Blacks should deal with internal
(36:58):
disciplinary issues?
Speaker 12 (37:00):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
It is.
Speaker 12 (37:01):
And I'm delighted that the whatever happened has not being
sniffed out by anyone. That shows real strength of character
in the team and team spirit. And I'm delighted and
I'd be very happy if I never ever hear what
happened and I can see. You know, Ethan Degruz has
(37:25):
been regarded as number one. He may be at scrum
time a shade better than to Mighty Williams. There's not
a lot in it. But last week I was really
impressed with Williams's work around the paddock. He's quite explosive
running with a ball and I thought he played really
well and he's deserved to be selected again.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
So you give someone an opportunity, I suppose it's there
to be taken, isn't it. And that's just the cruel
nature of selection in any team. And to Mighty got
given the opportunity took it.
Speaker 12 (37:59):
Yeah, Well that's what that's exactly what you want in
the team. And believe me, those All Blacks all respect
each other doing that very thing, and Ethan the group
will respect. To Mighty Williams, if that's the reason he's
selected again this week because of his performance last week,
I'm sure Ethan will be right behind him, supporting him
(38:19):
in that. That's what the All Blacks are about.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
We'll look slightly closer at the dark arts shortly on
that just around the public perception of this. They don't
know what happened, so in a vacuum people fill up
with all sorts of stuff. Did the public not have
a right to know what the problem was with Ethan
the group?
Speaker 12 (38:39):
No, No, I think I think that that needs to
be kept in house. And I really respect the team
and it's the whole team and the greater team with
the management and everything have been tight looked about it,
and I think that's a good thing. I don't think
it was a major there go I you know, there
(39:02):
may have been a disciplinary slip which caused him not
being selected last week, And to Mighty Williams said, Okay, I've.
Speaker 11 (39:10):
Got to go.
Speaker 12 (39:11):
I want to play again next week, so I am
having a big game and he did have.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
A big game.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Well we know he's bossed, don't we. It's definitely Scott
Robertson's team. He's definitely made his mark on that. This
is what's happening. No league's coming out of it. So
you said about it management, But it's a big tick,
isn't it? For Razor Robinson?
Speaker 12 (39:28):
Well it is, and we're starting to see in the
All Blacks the same sort of culture and development that
we saw with the Great Crusader sides that he coached.
And I'm sure this is what we all wanted to
see stepping up another level that Scott Robinson does the
same thing with the All Blacks, and I can see
(39:50):
it happening. And believe me, at international level, when you
have the quality of opposition that the All Blacks have
had this year, it doesn't happen overnight. And you know,
for me, he's tracking pretty well and I think we're
going to see a significant upturn next year. We may
even see it on the remainder of this tour, but
(40:13):
you know, the building blocks are definitely getting in place.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Coffee week, books, rugby, first thing on Saturday morning. Couldn't
ask for much more than that. Laurie mains always a pleasure.
Thanks very much for you insight, your expertise and your knowledge,
HULD you appreciate.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
It have been a pleasure to forget the ref's call
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