November 19, 2024 • 36 mins
D’Arcy Waldegrave is back to round up this week’s sporting news. Highlights for tonight include:
Simon Porter - Managing Director & rugby player agent for Halo Sport and the New Zealand Rugby Players Association on Harry Plummer leaving the All Blacks for France.
Talkback - is this the right move for Plummer? Should NZR fight harder to keep him?
Carlos Ulberg - Top 10 ranked UFC light heavyweight fighter on his upcoming fight against Volkan Oezdemir.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Wildergrave
from News Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Z' be eleven past at seven and we're talking now.
Harry Plummer is going to go away. He's a one
test All Black and he's going to disapt of fronts.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Why wouldn't he? Quite frankly to.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Find out why though. Managing Director rugby player agent for
Halo Sport also the US and Rugby Players Association, Simon
Porter joins us now to discuss the decision making process. Simon, Hello, sir,
welcome to the show. I hope you're well.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Yep, very well. Thank you Darcy yourself, Yeah, not so bad.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Haven't been offered a big French contract yet. But I
don't think there's any warn for me over there are
This Plumber story. Not unusual in this day and age
is to have a one test all black swiped picked
up by an overseas team.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Does strike youres is strange or out of the ordinary?
Just that's the way it rolls.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Well, I think it's probably just the way it rolls.
I mean, I don't know what's motivated Harry to make
the decision. Probably did come as a little bit of
a surprise, just given his you know, his ascension and
how well his Super season went and then his first
taste to the All Blacks. But I mean that part
of the really hard thing with the way the global
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market works is the lag between. I mean, this could
be something that they've been talking about for six months,
this could be a decision that was made back at
the start of Super Rugby. You know, you just don't
until you see the inner workings of it and all
that sort of stuff, you just don't really understand when
the timing of it all was. And that's that's part
of the issue with rugby, I guess, where it's two
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quite distinct hemispheres running to two quite distinct contracting windows
or calendar years, so they don't always marry up. And
it's always part of the when you're advising guys that
the hard bit is the timeline and things just don't
always come together at the same time. Because it's not
like football where you have you define transferred periods or
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windows or a draft like in in NFL, which I
imagine an NBA in those American sports, which I imagine
probably also dictates a little bit about what happens with
the guys that are off contract or transferring or whatever.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
We have a lot of players to sparing overseas understandable.
Has has it increased? Does it say the same?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Is it decreased? What was the interest like?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
From your knowledge, is part of harl Halo sport around
the interest in New Zealand players.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I don't think it's increased, to be honest. I think that,
you know, Harry, you'd go back a long time to find,
you know, somebody going to France outside of the end
of a or an all black going to France outside
the end of a Rugby World Cup cycle. You know,
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since COVID, a number of things that happened, but the
biggest one of the salary caps have come down in
France and in the UK, so I mean the UK
in you know, clubs have gone bankrupt and all that
sort of stuff, so it's not as buoyant as it
once was. They've also done a little bit of work
around closing the windows around your ability to play there
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from a work permit point of view, which is a
big factor. And then in France, what we've seen is
that they've put a real emphasis, probably over the last
decade on getting more French players into the system. So
they have the way that you can qualify to play
in France as a local player. They've basically put really
stringent rules and over time had sort of a sinking
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lid on the number of foreign players you can have,
so that if you go and talk to the French
clubs or the French agents, the battleground is definitely around,
you know, the French players and the guys that are
coming out of the you know, they're really successful under
twenty program. So I sort of just don't think, well,
I know, if I look at you know, our pen
now and all that sort of stuff, there's just not
(04:01):
the same number of players going to France. Japan is
still pretty buoyant. You know, there's still quite a lot
of appetite for New Zealand players up there. But you know,
I don't actually think it's it's increased. It's just, you know,
sometimes you get one like this where it's a you know,
it's probably a little bit out of the box and
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a little bit unexpected, and it makes everyone sort of
sit up a little bit and go, well, how why
is he doing that?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Player agent managing director from Halo Sports, Simon Porter joins us,
what kind of conversation do players have if they need
with n z R around the possibility of leaving their
warm embrace.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
As part of Super Rugby. Does that raise its head much?
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Simon? Yeah, well, you know you'd definitely be talking to
New Zealand and the Blues around whether they're willing to
keep him and on what terms. And I'd be very
surprised if New Zealand hadn't had a piece of paper
in front of Harry for him to consider staying around
for a bit longer.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Dutch options are right, aren't they? Does it get down
to that state?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Every negotiation is different. I don't think anybody really likes
operating like that, but sometimes I mean it's just look,
everyone got on resource. I think we've talked about it before,
and I mean at the end of the day, you know,
Harry may just want to go to France. You know,
it might just be as simple as wanting to get
out while he's still quite fit, or you know, he's
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just been offered money that he considers is life changing,
and you know he just can't say no. And I
think you I mean, people make decisions, and they really
do make it for a lot of decisions a lot
of reasons, or they put a lot of you know,
consider a lot of things into the matrix when they're
making that decision. But you know, money is a massive
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driver to it, and the all Blacks that have been
around for quite a while are pretty well played, well
paid on a global scale. To be perfectly honest, they
are pretty well rewarded. But I can certainly understand French
club looking at a really promising player and going well,
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we can actually build a team around him for five
or six years. Because he can't play internationally. The only
team he can play for is US. So therefore we're
not going to have him disappearing for training camps or
to go and play. He's not going to be managing niggles.
We're not having to talk to the national team about
his injury, return to play protocols if he's injured or
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anything like that. We can give him as much break
as he needs. There's no competing interests on him. And
you know, historically they're the guys at clubs are willing
to make big bets on because they can sort of
control their careers, which is different to say South African
who can be picked from overseas and there are competing
interests on them.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
He touched on it before signing.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
The importance of the value of a singular cat two
three caps, he said they might not have even the
negotiation might have.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Started before even got that cat.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But how much egg thro value, how much extra emphasis
is put on the fact that he's worn the black
jersey and other players?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
How much is that up there market value?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
It certainly does in Japan, I think just because the
All Blacks are held in such a steem up there
that I certainly think it probably adds a little bit
up in Japan. But France it's probably a little bit different.
I think the main driver for France is just what
Harry can bring on the field, and the fact that
they get them all for themselves and they can control
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that and and they can build a team around him,
and you know, ten such an important position, and you
know how he can play twelve and he can play fifteen,
and he goal kicks and he's a real leader and
all that sort of stuff. So for them, you know,
that's it's probably worth more than somebody who's at the
other end of their career, who might have played seventy caps,
but is kind of you know, been through the ringer
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a little bit each club, And it's really different overseas
with positions as well. In New Zealand we're a little
bit more you know, a thirty cap props with the
same as a thirty cap twelve type. You know, they
try to keep it a little bit like that, whereas
overseas it is very positional specific and each position kind
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of has its own market value based on importance to
the team player agent.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
The managing director of Halo Sports, Simon Porter, joins us,
what about warnings to young players thinking of going away,
because I'd suggest maybe not all the time. It's all
it's cracked up to be. It's not a land of
milk and honey. It might just be water and mamite.
So what do you tell your players about moving and
plying their trade over with these Japanese or French clubs.
(08:45):
Is there something to look out for any fishalks there? Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean I think one of the biggest
ones I think anyone that is thinking about going overseas
that I'm involved with anyway, I'm always asking about, well,
what's your why? Because when you're playing in New Zealand,
every day when you wake up, you know you're aspiring
for that black jersey. You're trying to keep it and
not let anybody else get their hands on it, or
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you're working towards it. So it is really a shining
light that kind of keeps you going. And it's so
competitive you don't want to give you anyone a chance,
et cetera. And you know that's a bit different if
you're sitting up in Suzuka, which is where Honda's based
in the Formula one, you wake up to the sound
of the flatline engines or the snow on the ground,
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and you wake up and it's you know, twenty sixth
of December, and you've got to go to a training
and you know you've got a bit of a sniffle
or you've got a bit of a sore leg. What's
going to make you get up in drive you to
being professional? Because I think people don't, you know. And
that's the thing about New Zealand, whether you get the
black jersey or not, there's just that that drive that
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comes from being within any rugby environment in New Zealand
and all that sort of stuff. And when that's gone,
you really have to ask yourself for I think, you know,
I'll make the guys us themselves you know what is
going to make them get out of bed?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Is the black jersey still strong enough a lure to
keep younger players here? Is it still got that flavor
around it, that halo around it in order to keep
players here?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I mean, how much does that adjust?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Yeah, I still want to be an all bit. I look, yes,
I really do think it does. But the butt in
it is that I think what's happening is people are
realizing sooner that they might not get there. Remember, they're
coming into programs a lot earlier now. So you know, guys,
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it always gets to a point where it's not just
running around with your mates anymore. It is all of
a sudden it is it's your job. It's your work,
it's business. It's finite. You know, Harry's head quite a
few injuries as an example. You know, he might be
sitting there and go, man, I just got to I
just got to make you know, all this investment that
I've put through in himself and his body and all
that sort of stuff to good use by taking the
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money now. But I do think the black jersey really
does still hold it for a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
The great call is your call on eight hundred eighty
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Speaker 2 (11:15):
That was Simon Porter, managing directors of Rugby Payer Agent
as well he runs Halo Sport and talking about the
wise nice phrase in there wasn't it around our latest defection?
Speaker 3 (11:29):
If you could call it that.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Harry Plummer is off Overseas to go and play in France.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
It's an interesting situation. I've talked to a number.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Of people in the office today around whether this was
the right decision or the wrong decision planning and.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Push comes to shove.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
The right decision is his decision, because it is his decision,
and whether you think it's right or wrong is relevant.
He thinks it's the right decision, so he's off. I
think it's a great decision. I think it's a pragmatic decision.
Wouldn't necess do we say a brave decision. He's weighed
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up the pros and the colmns of what he's going
to do, and he's decided his future is over in
France now playing Everybody has a price, and when you
sit in the pecking order where Arie Plumber does, plainly
you're going to juggle that the price verst the potential
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for me to carry on playing at this highest level.
I've got as far as I can go, I've been
in All Black. Will I maintain that position? Where do
I sit in the pecking order? Do I keep grinding
on here in New Zealand and hope, like Stephen Donald,
all the first five eighths fall in front of me.
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So I get a roll because that's what I'd have
to happen. With all due respect to you, Harry only
three four, maybe.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Five twenty six, which is not dad old. It's not
that young either.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
You've got to weigh this up. So I think it's
a great decision. I'm really pleased for them, and this
is part of the ever turning wheel of New Zealand
rugby talent.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
We're blessed. We're very very lucky. I mean, we make
luck like this because it's such a huge.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Part of our life rugby. This wheel generates some players
that go on to be goats, such as your Dan
Carter's and your Richie mccaus. This wheel also generates guys
that don't quite reach those dizzying heights, but they get
an all Black career underneath them. We're now part of
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a big team, a bigger thing than just themselves. This
wheel also generates players that are never going to quite
reach that level, but they push the other players forward
and up. This wheel also spits out some players that decide,
you know what, I've done all this work, I'm pretty good,
but I don't think I'm good enough to make the
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All Blacks. I'm gonna go and make some money. This
wheel also spits out players to get badly damaged and broken,
and that's a real shame.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
And there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
People on the wheel that don't go anywhere. They're just
on the wheel, and that's okay. This is the production line.
This is the wheel that New Zealand rugby has, and
it generates predominantly good news stories. And every time someone
like a plumber decides he's had enough, cashes in and
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goes overseas, that gives another gap, another hole for the
next player to come through. I think it's important for
the strength of New Zealand's rugby that there are always
holes that are always gaps that need to be filled,
so it's never stale, it doesn't stop. There's one always
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someone coming f your job. You're always hitting somewhere else,
and that regeneration is great for the strength of all
Black rugby. I think Harry Plummer has made a brilliant decision,
a pragmatic decision, and a decision.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
He won't regret.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
What do you think we can afford to lose them right?
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Speaker 5 (16:05):
How fast the sports talk on News talks HEB Tuesday
evening November nineteen of Darcy Water Gravel eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Is Aaron Plumber made the right decision to
go to France, Yes, of course he has.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Hi, Chris, how are you?
Speaker 6 (16:23):
That made a couple of things for you? Trestley about Plumber,
I think it's the right thing he's done for himself,
because it's be honest, he's going to be stuck behind
Damien McKenzie and Bowden Barrett for the roosts until the
next World Cup. Cycle before. You know, arguably both of
them would leave afterwards. So for him to go over,
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he's earn more money, play less games. Kemper's body fitter.
I mean, I think it was a great decision for
him to do.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Well.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
It might be Peter Fetter as well, he could be
in there. There'd be a number of teams in that
mix that may well block that passage.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
They might not, but they're more than likely too, right.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
Yeah, I just think it's it's there's just too much
congestion there for him, and he's made the right thing,
right decision by himself as a player and for his
family as well. He do it going and living in
France for three or four years, maybe going and playing
in England for two or three years after that. That's
a good experience for his close family. So well done
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to him.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
And he's got the jersey right, he can put it
on the wards stick up in the bathroom, go look
was it all black?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
How cool?
Speaker 6 (17:31):
That's right, he's got one more users than I do.
But I also wanted to bring up another number ten
that just sort of faded away out of New Zealand
rugby existence. Was a bloke called Fergus burk and he
was injured during the super season and then I found
out he moved to the Saracens. And it's the same
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sort of mentality as you just go over there and
you earn I wouldn't say double but quite quite hands
some money over there playing in the English rugby. And
he did the same things and he was a talent,
great goal kicker, and he had good visions. So we've
lost two good first five eighths this year that were
one with the potential all book and the other one
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made one.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
But well, smoke birkhead injury issue, didn't he So he
didn't really establish how he wanted to. And then the
riding on the wall said, look, come over here for
the cash, and you get that. I don't think anyone
is going to be upset.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Shouldn't he zeld Rugby be freaked out?
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Oh look, you know, I do think New Zealand rugby
needs to have a look at how we retain players
and stop the punching of these potentials coming through. But
when you've got incumbents in any position, the guys are
going to go, well, you know what, I'm not going
to play at the next World Cup if I'm number
three or four, So maybe I best run what I
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can and get the cash while they're at the height
of their career. And I don't blame them at all.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
And you also mentioned experience, christ and I think that's
also another thing when you consider these guys tired working
since what's sixteen fifteen fourteen, trying to be a great
rugby player, the release of actually going overseas and having
a bit of joy in exploring, because life's more than
just your job.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Right well one hundred. So if you look at an
all black, so they'll play, let's just say you're, you know,
in a normal team, so the Crusaders, the Blues or
the Chiefs, you get to the finals mo majority of
the time, you'll play seventeen games, then you'll play ten
games with that's twenty seven games. But if you're just
playing in the premiss for in England or the competition
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in France, you're getting paid almost double for half the
amount of games. Even in Japan it's the same thing.
So we need to have a look at this and
see how we can retain the guys that are coming through,
because I do see a problem. You know, when it's
like if you know you're a third or a fourth
in a position, why would you hang around when you
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can go out more money?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It depends on your why.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
And Chris, we thank you so much for your call
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty if you'd like to
be involved. And that's what Simon imported takest on before
talking to the players before they make a decision like
this to commit to another country, to commit it's another club, franchise,
et cetera, and burn your all black aspirations?
Speaker 3 (20:30):
What is your why? Why do you play this game?
What do you want?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Has that changed dramatically since you were seventeen years old?
Have your eyes opened up to it?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Have you realized that you know what?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I don't think I'm going to it any further, and
I'm going to cash him while I'm still ahead and disappear.
But then there be other players who are absolutely driven
by being an All Black and a great one at that,
or even an average one that lasts five or six years.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
That's enough, that's cool. Everybody's different.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And the question again from that with with n z
R and Chris touched on that should they fight harder
to keep talent like him here in New Zealand. Now,
now there is a question the line of leaving. I'm
quite sure where that came from. It has pulled it
out of my grayout. But the line of where is
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that leaving line when it comes to players and their value,
where does it sit? You might want to help me
through that one oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
high mark.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Oh, it's just it's just a layer of the land.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
You know.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
It's the money money talks.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
We all know that.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
I mean, a fairy does go, it's not great loss
to New Zealand rugby.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
There's always time that's going to come through.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
The production line is always going to come.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
So that's what I was saying about the wheel. It
turns and it spits out some magnificence, it spits out
some average, it spits out some rubbish, but it keeps
collecting and spitting out, just keeps going.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
Yeah, and it will keep going.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
It will keep going until we die and for another
one hundred years.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
You know, Harry Partner has seen them roll on the wall.
Well one is maked next year, so the year after
he certainly you know McKenzie is going to the next
World Cup.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
He's not only do a lot of game time.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
So and do you want to spend a lot of
your time on the bench watching and being a backup
or do you want to make you go out there
and play.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
The game of rugby. What's the dribe? What's your why?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
No one wants to be on the bench.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Do I many talks? Brother?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Well, no, it doesn't talk. It screams, It yells at you.
It's very very aggressive. Mark, Thanks very much for your call.
It's the twenty three minutes to eight this news talks.
He be on sports Talk all through one hundred and
eighty ten eighty making the right decision. I think he
is because it's his decision, so of course it's the
right decision.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
This is right, pretty logical.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
As far as the line of leaving it, I'm fascinated
by this. Where does it suddenly get I think most
people will go, okay, Harry pl I'm a good player,
had a great season for the Blues, picked to be
an All Black, fantastic, But I don't think too many
people are going, oh no, this, even though we haven't
got that much in the way of ten stock are freaking.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Out, Oh no, he's gone.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
If cam royguard up and left, if to mighty Williams
up and left while a city up and left. What's
your reaction then?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Where is that line? Do you see it?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Gaps will always be filled when people disappear, but when
do they become invaluable when the winds have to seriously
fight and dig into their war chest. Twenty two minutes
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some guy says Plumber was only a live tackle bag.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Oh, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
He's only super rugby quality. He's lucky to be in
all black He's not all black quality. Well you know
he is because he is. He's all black quality because
he was picked to be an all black Therefore he
is of all black quality. That's how it works, isn't it.
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Just for that couple of texts for you nine two
that is z B z B Darcy. I've just tuned in.
But there is another young Harry on the doorstep the name.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Of Harry Godfrey.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
He deserves a close look at there you goat and
I add it on that, Keen writes, I bet raisor
Robertson has told him that Richie's coming back. Maybe he
should just find a new job. It could have been
part of the conversation. We've got Carlos just around the
corner before that. He's sir ish, how are you today?
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Hi?
Speaker 7 (26:02):
Good? Good, Hey, Look you're going to get a lot
of like Harry Plumber. They've decided, you know, look, I
can't make it. I'm not sure, so they have to
go for the money. But I think I think what
they should have is you've got the Old Blacks and
they should have an shadow Old Blacks team as well.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
They do. It's all black a Mith, Deane or whatever
name they've got. But they've got their second team. They
were on tour as well, so when players started falling
over there just been there, you're coming with me? In fact,
wasn't Harry Plumber one of them?
Speaker 7 (26:36):
Yeah, well, if you're you're in old black a that
means you're you're knocking on the door. And if you're
not even inda, then you then you kind of you know,
not there.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, serious, he wasn't that team. He was knocking on
the wall and they opened the door and he came in.
I mean, okay, this is cool, but I'm just going
to go through the next door because I'm kind of
front the opportunity is there, right?
Speaker 7 (26:59):
Yeah? Yeah, well it's some money. It's a money thing.
So if you're getting the money, yeah, you got.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Family, Well it's it's your white serious. Why do you
play the game? Do you play the game for high
on us? Do you play the game because you want
to be a legiond Do you play the games got
nothing else to do? Do you play the game because
you're a sucker for punishment? Do you play the game
because hopefully you're going to cash in at some stage?
None of us, say Harry Plummer, we don't know what is?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Why actually is? I can just commend it for doing
It makes perfect sense to me. Seven forty four. This
is sports thought. Let's get fighting, forget the riffs.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Call you make the call Sports Talk on your home
of Sports Talk.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Carlos Alberg is in the black manifield. Let's say forward the.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
Field.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
What is strake is six.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Contender Carloss upper yep sex on the bounds after losing
his first fight in the UFC menfield. That was destruction
Terror in Mayhem YouTube. Take a look at it. It
was stunning, mister twelve seconds. That was quite the fight.
He's done, I think six months. He joins us now though, Carlos, So,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
How's Macau? How's China? Mate?
Speaker 8 (28:25):
Cheers bro, thank you?
Speaker 9 (28:26):
It's It is nice to be here in Macau, a
different city, of different country, and my first time here.
It is a massive version of Las Vegas. So I've
yet to go out and see it, but from my
window here it looks like a.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
Wow. It's amazing. It's definitely made of money.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
So you've just been stuck in the gym ther whole
time you've been there.
Speaker 9 (28:51):
Right, Well, I've only arrived last week last night, so
I've kind of just got some rest.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
I just woke up kind of unpacking things.
Speaker 9 (29:01):
And now you've you've you know, having a nice chat now,
so yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Ready to roll.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Tell me about your rolet, because this has been quite
some time. When did you last fight? Was that twelve
seconds scrap back in May? Wasn't it against men infield?
You've been sitting around doing not a great deal, that's
what you think.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
Both, I've been in the gym, the gym, been in
the gym.
Speaker 9 (29:27):
I mean, yeah, well yeah, not a good fight against
against I want to see me with it.
Speaker 8 (29:34):
But minifield, minifield and which which set us up really well.
Speaker 9 (29:39):
So now you know, I went back to the drawing board,
went back to the gym, worked on a few things.
I was set up to fight a night again, but
a few injuries and things like that put us back.
So and that happens in the fight games. A lot
of our injuries come from come from training. So most
of the time we go into a fight with minor
and bigger injuries, as you may have known.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
So these things happen.
Speaker 9 (30:03):
And now we've got a big fight against Isom, so
you know, I've kind of premeditated this whole thing.
Speaker 8 (30:09):
And now we're here, we are here.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
It's been six months.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
I that's a reasonable long time and you see you
going away to work on some stuff. You alongso got
wiped out in twelve seconds. I mean, what can you
take from a fight like that?
Speaker 8 (30:24):
Carlos, Yeah, bro, but six months.
Speaker 9 (30:28):
But see, the thing is it's it's the thing of
people don't see is get you have a quick fight
like that. But it's the training. Everything, all the all
the stresses come from the training. So we usually have
a twelve week fight camp, whether it be nine to
twelve week fight camp, and that's four to five trainings.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
Every single day, no days rest.
Speaker 9 (30:51):
So if you can imagine what can that can do
to the bodies to add the mind. And you don't
get to do much time with the family, So your
your sacrifice sacrificing time with family, time with friends, time
going out and enjoying dinners. And while everyone's in going
there Christmas and and da birthdays.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
And weddings and things like that, you're having to go.
Speaker 9 (31:12):
To the gym and sacrifice your body and put it
on the line for for a big.
Speaker 8 (31:18):
Fight in the future.
Speaker 9 (31:19):
So that's what I've been doing, man, just putting myself away,
hiding myself and in the dungeon and and getting myself
to the gym and back and putting some hard yacker
and man, that's all it comes down to.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Well, it's fine night, Big nights over mcow As he said,
it's team v eight. This guy vulcan us to twenty
and seven. What do you know about what he brings
to the octagon.
Speaker 9 (31:44):
Carloss Man, he is, he possesses power. He's he's on
a good wind streak right now. He's he's he's a
knockout artist, just like myself. So you can expect us
to bang like there's no tomorrow, that's for sure. But
he's he's, he's he's a smart guy. He's not going
to go in there and blow us load. He's an
(32:05):
experienced guys, been in there with some of the best
guys and been in the top ten for quite some
time now. So he's he's not going to go in
there and and swing or willy nilly. But uh, he's
he does possess that power. So you've got to be
careful of guys like this. You know, he's strong on
the ground, and then he's also got he's got the
touch of he's got the touch of death too. So yeah,
(32:27):
it's a fight that a lot of the fans are
gonna a lot.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
They're gonna love it, that's all I can see. Basically,
he's on a streak.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
You're on a streak as well, though, so you'd be
feeling very confident about where you're seated right now.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
Yeah, definitely, confidence does come from the training. The dumb
confidence comes from the workload that you put in the training.
So in this last fight camp, you know, definitely worked hard.
So and and I have faith and confidence within myself anyway,
So whenever I walk into that Aftergon, I make that
walk and the cage doors are locked, I ask for
(33:05):
my ancestors.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
To join me in.
Speaker 9 (33:06):
That's all it comes down to. And there and you
know they they fight with me.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
Man.
Speaker 9 (33:10):
So I've got a good country behind me, and that's
all I ask for is your prayers and your and
your faith and the country behind me is all you know,
This is what's going to get me through.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
What's your reward, Carlos Alberg?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Should you dismiss this guy, and however you do, it
doesn't really matter as long as he's gone, what happens next?
You know where you're going? Should you get the number
eight out of your way? Are were getting closer?
Speaker 9 (33:33):
To a title man that's the light heavyweight division, and
a lot of guys are talking, a lot of a
lot of the fight fans over here in the States
and and uh and also on that side of the world, definitely.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
Looking at a fight against Petta very soon.
Speaker 9 (33:49):
So we get this fight out the way, then we
could be looking at and at a at a good
surprise sometime next year. So we're definitely We're definitely one
of the favorites in there too. Well, whether it be
myself or Volcan. There's a lot of talk, you know
that people are saying, if you know, Vulcan gets this win,
(34:11):
which you want, gets this win, then he will be
up against Pettit the next And obviously that goes to
myself as well.
Speaker 8 (34:18):
So this is a great decider, a great decider.
Speaker 9 (34:21):
I mean, we've We've also got Unclelve who's a tough fighter,
and he's he's worked his way up towards towards being
to get in this fight against Peetta. But I think
a lot of the fans and a lot of you know,
the fight fans are wanting a fight with me and
and poor times so and I respect the guy. I
think he's a great warrior and good person inside and
(34:45):
outside Aftergon, So I'd love to I'd love to touch
gloves with someone like him.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
What Covid smell Hill. It's quite the list, isn't he.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
It's a keenly contested division, the light heavyweights. I suppose
you can't pick and choose, can you?
Speaker 3 (34:58):
You are what you are, your way? You want your
way right that.
Speaker 8 (35:02):
Man, and you can't.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
You're in there.
Speaker 8 (35:04):
You're in there with some of the best guys.
Speaker 9 (35:06):
And and you know, in the light heavyweight division is
is is guys who got the heavyweight power. But then
also they've got the welter weight speed. So these guys
are a tough man. So yeah, preparing for some like
guys like this is a tough ask.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
And finally, and thanks so much for joining us, Carl Ales.
Who have you got in your corner? You've got a
crow over there helping you out of maccount.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (35:30):
Man, we do have some friends who have come along,
and then we've got some some friends from the States
and back home obviously, but Macaw is.
Speaker 8 (35:37):
A tough place to get to. It was a it
was a what twenty seven hour cruise the cruise around here.
Speaker 9 (35:47):
But we've got we've got Andre, we've got Tristan on
our in our corners, and I trust those guys and
UH with their faith and trust.
Speaker 8 (35:56):
We'll get there. We'll get there. We're going to get
the wins. So let's get a new Zealand. Love your
hearing from.
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Speaker 2 (36:11):
So refreshing for a mixed martial artist who actually love
his country. Thank you, Carlos, it's great, love your work.
Looking forward to our continued conversations until maybe you get
a belt and then and it happens. Top bloke, Carlos
or we're looking forward to the fight this weekend. It
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Z' be eleven past at seven and we're talking now.
Harry Plummer is going to go away. He's a one
test All Black and he's going to disapt of fronts.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Why wouldn't he? Quite frankly to.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Find out why though. Managing Director rugby player agent for
Halo Sport also the US and Rugby Players Association, Simon
Porter joins us now to discuss the decision making process. Simon, Hello, sir,
welcome to the show. I hope you're well.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Yep, very well. Thank you Darcy yourself, Yeah, not so bad.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Haven't been offered a big French contract yet. But I
don't think there's any warn for me over there are
This Plumber story. Not unusual in this day and age
is to have a one test all black swiped picked
up by an overseas team.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Does strike youres is strange or out of the ordinary?
Just that's the way it rolls.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Well, I think it's probably just the way it rolls.
I mean, I don't know what's motivated Harry to make
the decision. Probably did come as a little bit of
a surprise, just given his you know, his ascension and
how well his Super season went and then his first
taste to the All Blacks. But I mean that part
of the really hard thing with the way the global
(01:26):
market works is the lag between. I mean, this could
be something that they've been talking about for six months,
this could be a decision that was made back at
the start of Super Rugby. You know, you just don't
until you see the inner workings of it and all
that sort of stuff, you just don't really understand when
the timing of it all was. And that's that's part
of the issue with rugby, I guess, where it's two
(01:48):
quite distinct hemispheres running to two quite distinct contracting windows
or calendar years, so they don't always marry up. And
it's always part of the when you're advising guys that
the hard bit is the timeline and things just don't
always come together at the same time. Because it's not
like football where you have you define transferred periods or
(02:09):
windows or a draft like in in NFL, which I
imagine an NBA in those American sports, which I imagine
probably also dictates a little bit about what happens with
the guys that are off contract or transferring or whatever.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
We have a lot of players to sparing overseas understandable.
Has has it increased? Does it say the same?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Is it decreased? What was the interest like?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
From your knowledge, is part of harl Halo sport around
the interest in New Zealand players.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I don't think it's increased, to be honest. I think that,
you know, Harry, you'd go back a long time to find,
you know, somebody going to France outside of the end
of a or an all black going to France outside
the end of a Rugby World Cup cycle. You know,
(02:56):
since COVID, a number of things that happened, but the
biggest one of the salary caps have come down in
France and in the UK, so I mean the UK
in you know, clubs have gone bankrupt and all that
sort of stuff, so it's not as buoyant as it
once was. They've also done a little bit of work
around closing the windows around your ability to play there
(03:18):
from a work permit point of view, which is a
big factor. And then in France, what we've seen is
that they've put a real emphasis, probably over the last
decade on getting more French players into the system. So
they have the way that you can qualify to play
in France as a local player. They've basically put really
stringent rules and over time had sort of a sinking
(03:41):
lid on the number of foreign players you can have,
so that if you go and talk to the French
clubs or the French agents, the battleground is definitely around,
you know, the French players and the guys that are
coming out of the you know, they're really successful under
twenty program. So I sort of just don't think, well,
I know, if I look at you know, our pen
now and all that sort of stuff, there's just not
(04:01):
the same number of players going to France. Japan is
still pretty buoyant. You know, there's still quite a lot
of appetite for New Zealand players up there. But you know,
I don't actually think it's it's increased. It's just, you know,
sometimes you get one like this where it's a you know,
it's probably a little bit out of the box and
(04:23):
a little bit unexpected, and it makes everyone sort of
sit up a little bit and go, well, how why
is he doing that?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Player agent managing director from Halo Sports, Simon Porter joins us,
what kind of conversation do players have if they need
with n z R around the possibility of leaving their
warm embrace.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
As part of Super Rugby. Does that raise its head much?
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Simon? Yeah, well, you know you'd definitely be talking to
New Zealand and the Blues around whether they're willing to
keep him and on what terms. And I'd be very
surprised if New Zealand hadn't had a piece of paper
in front of Harry for him to consider staying around
for a bit longer.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Dutch options are right, aren't they? Does it get down
to that state?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Every negotiation is different. I don't think anybody really likes
operating like that, but sometimes I mean it's just look,
everyone got on resource. I think we've talked about it before,
and I mean at the end of the day, you know,
Harry may just want to go to France. You know,
it might just be as simple as wanting to get
out while he's still quite fit, or you know, he's
(05:28):
just been offered money that he considers is life changing,
and you know he just can't say no. And I
think you I mean, people make decisions, and they really
do make it for a lot of decisions a lot
of reasons, or they put a lot of you know,
consider a lot of things into the matrix when they're
making that decision. But you know, money is a massive
(05:48):
driver to it, and the all Blacks that have been
around for quite a while are pretty well played, well
paid on a global scale. To be perfectly honest, they
are pretty well rewarded. But I can certainly understand French
club looking at a really promising player and going well,
(06:11):
we can actually build a team around him for five
or six years. Because he can't play internationally. The only
team he can play for is US. So therefore we're
not going to have him disappearing for training camps or
to go and play. He's not going to be managing niggles.
We're not having to talk to the national team about
his injury, return to play protocols if he's injured or
(06:33):
anything like that. We can give him as much break
as he needs. There's no competing interests on him. And
you know, historically they're the guys at clubs are willing
to make big bets on because they can sort of
control their careers, which is different to say South African
who can be picked from overseas and there are competing
interests on them.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
He touched on it before signing.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
The importance of the value of a singular cat two
three caps, he said they might not have even the
negotiation might have.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Started before even got that cat.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But how much egg thro value, how much extra emphasis
is put on the fact that he's worn the black
jersey and other players?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
How much is that up there market value?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
It certainly does in Japan, I think just because the
All Blacks are held in such a steem up there
that I certainly think it probably adds a little bit
up in Japan. But France it's probably a little bit different.
I think the main driver for France is just what
Harry can bring on the field, and the fact that
they get them all for themselves and they can control
(07:36):
that and and they can build a team around him,
and you know, ten such an important position, and you
know how he can play twelve and he can play fifteen,
and he goal kicks and he's a real leader and
all that sort of stuff. So for them, you know,
that's it's probably worth more than somebody who's at the
other end of their career, who might have played seventy caps,
but is kind of you know, been through the ringer
(07:59):
a little bit each club, And it's really different overseas
with positions as well. In New Zealand we're a little
bit more you know, a thirty cap props with the
same as a thirty cap twelve type. You know, they
try to keep it a little bit like that, whereas
overseas it is very positional specific and each position kind
(08:20):
of has its own market value based on importance to
the team player agent.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
The managing director of Halo Sports, Simon Porter, joins us,
what about warnings to young players thinking of going away,
because I'd suggest maybe not all the time. It's all
it's cracked up to be. It's not a land of
milk and honey. It might just be water and mamite.
So what do you tell your players about moving and
plying their trade over with these Japanese or French clubs.
(08:45):
Is there something to look out for any fishalks there? Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean I think one of the biggest
ones I think anyone that is thinking about going overseas
that I'm involved with anyway, I'm always asking about, well,
what's your why? Because when you're playing in New Zealand,
every day when you wake up, you know you're aspiring
for that black jersey. You're trying to keep it and
not let anybody else get their hands on it, or
(09:08):
you're working towards it. So it is really a shining
light that kind of keeps you going. And it's so
competitive you don't want to give you anyone a chance,
et cetera. And you know that's a bit different if
you're sitting up in Suzuka, which is where Honda's based
in the Formula one, you wake up to the sound
of the flatline engines or the snow on the ground,
(09:28):
and you wake up and it's you know, twenty sixth
of December, and you've got to go to a training
and you know you've got a bit of a sniffle
or you've got a bit of a sore leg. What's
going to make you get up in drive you to
being professional? Because I think people don't, you know. And
that's the thing about New Zealand, whether you get the
black jersey or not, there's just that that drive that
(09:50):
comes from being within any rugby environment in New Zealand
and all that sort of stuff. And when that's gone,
you really have to ask yourself for I think, you know,
I'll make the guys us themselves you know what is
going to make them get out of bed?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Is the black jersey still strong enough a lure to
keep younger players here? Is it still got that flavor
around it, that halo around it in order to keep
players here?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I mean, how much does that adjust?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Yeah, I still want to be an all bit. I look, yes,
I really do think it does. But the butt in
it is that I think what's happening is people are
realizing sooner that they might not get there. Remember, they're
coming into programs a lot earlier now. So you know, guys,
(10:37):
it always gets to a point where it's not just
running around with your mates anymore. It is all of
a sudden it is it's your job. It's your work,
it's business. It's finite. You know, Harry's head quite a
few injuries as an example. You know, he might be
sitting there and go, man, I just got to I
just got to make you know, all this investment that
I've put through in himself and his body and all
that sort of stuff to good use by taking the
(10:59):
money now. But I do think the black jersey really
does still hold it for a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
The great call is your call on eight hundred eighty
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Speaker 2 (11:15):
That was Simon Porter, managing directors of Rugby Payer Agent
as well he runs Halo Sport and talking about the
wise nice phrase in there wasn't it around our latest defection?
Speaker 3 (11:29):
If you could call it that.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Harry Plummer is off Overseas to go and play in France.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
It's an interesting situation. I've talked to a number.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Of people in the office today around whether this was
the right decision or the wrong decision planning and.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Push comes to shove.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
The right decision is his decision, because it is his decision,
and whether you think it's right or wrong is relevant.
He thinks it's the right decision, so he's off. I
think it's a great decision. I think it's a pragmatic decision.
Wouldn't necess do we say a brave decision. He's weighed
(12:11):
up the pros and the colmns of what he's going
to do, and he's decided his future is over in
France now playing Everybody has a price, and when you
sit in the pecking order where Arie Plumber does, plainly
you're going to juggle that the price verst the potential
(12:32):
for me to carry on playing at this highest level.
I've got as far as I can go, I've been
in All Black. Will I maintain that position? Where do
I sit in the pecking order? Do I keep grinding
on here in New Zealand and hope, like Stephen Donald,
all the first five eighths fall in front of me.
(12:53):
So I get a roll because that's what I'd have
to happen. With all due respect to you, Harry only
three four, maybe.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Five twenty six, which is not dad old. It's not
that young either.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
You've got to weigh this up. So I think it's
a great decision. I'm really pleased for them, and this
is part of the ever turning wheel of New Zealand
rugby talent.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
We're blessed. We're very very lucky. I mean, we make
luck like this because it's such a huge.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Part of our life rugby. This wheel generates some players
that go on to be goats, such as your Dan
Carter's and your Richie mccaus. This wheel also generates guys
that don't quite reach those dizzying heights, but they get
an all Black career underneath them. We're now part of
(13:53):
a big team, a bigger thing than just themselves. This
wheel also generates players that are never going to quite
reach that level, but they push the other players forward
and up. This wheel also spits out some players that decide,
you know what, I've done all this work, I'm pretty good,
but I don't think I'm good enough to make the
(14:14):
All Blacks. I'm gonna go and make some money. This
wheel also spits out players to get badly damaged and broken,
and that's a real shame.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
And there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
People on the wheel that don't go anywhere. They're just
on the wheel, and that's okay. This is the production line.
This is the wheel that New Zealand rugby has, and
it generates predominantly good news stories. And every time someone
like a plumber decides he's had enough, cashes in and
(14:44):
goes overseas, that gives another gap, another hole for the
next player to come through. I think it's important for
the strength of New Zealand's rugby that there are always
holes that are always gaps that need to be filled,
so it's never stale, it doesn't stop. There's one always
(15:05):
someone coming f your job. You're always hitting somewhere else,
and that regeneration is great for the strength of all
Black rugby. I think Harry Plummer has made a brilliant decision,
a pragmatic decision, and a decision.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
He won't regret.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
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How fast the sports talk on News talks HEB Tuesday
evening November nineteen of Darcy Water Gravel eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Is Aaron Plumber made the right decision to
go to France, Yes, of course he has.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Hi, Chris, how are you?
Speaker 6 (16:23):
That made a couple of things for you? Trestley about Plumber,
I think it's the right thing he's done for himself,
because it's be honest, he's going to be stuck behind
Damien McKenzie and Bowden Barrett for the roosts until the
next World Cup. Cycle before. You know, arguably both of
them would leave afterwards. So for him to go over,
(16:46):
he's earn more money, play less games. Kemper's body fitter.
I mean, I think it was a great decision for
him to do.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Well.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
It might be Peter Fetter as well, he could be
in there. There'd be a number of teams in that
mix that may well block that passage.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
They might not, but they're more than likely too, right.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
Yeah, I just think it's it's there's just too much
congestion there for him, and he's made the right thing,
right decision by himself as a player and for his
family as well. He do it going and living in
France for three or four years, maybe going and playing
in England for two or three years after that. That's
a good experience for his close family. So well done
(17:25):
to him.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
And he's got the jersey right, he can put it
on the wards stick up in the bathroom, go look
was it all black?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
How cool?
Speaker 6 (17:31):
That's right, he's got one more users than I do.
But I also wanted to bring up another number ten
that just sort of faded away out of New Zealand
rugby existence. Was a bloke called Fergus burk and he
was injured during the super season and then I found
out he moved to the Saracens. And it's the same
(17:53):
sort of mentality as you just go over there and
you earn I wouldn't say double but quite quite hands
some money over there playing in the English rugby. And
he did the same things and he was a talent,
great goal kicker, and he had good visions. So we've
lost two good first five eighths this year that were
one with the potential all book and the other one
(18:15):
made one.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
But well, smoke birkhead injury issue, didn't he So he
didn't really establish how he wanted to. And then the
riding on the wall said, look, come over here for
the cash, and you get that. I don't think anyone
is going to be upset.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Shouldn't he zeld Rugby be freaked out?
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Oh look, you know, I do think New Zealand rugby
needs to have a look at how we retain players
and stop the punching of these potentials coming through. But
when you've got incumbents in any position, the guys are
going to go, well, you know what, I'm not going
to play at the next World Cup if I'm number
three or four, So maybe I best run what I
(18:54):
can and get the cash while they're at the height
of their career. And I don't blame them at all.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
And you also mentioned experience, christ and I think that's
also another thing when you consider these guys tired working
since what's sixteen fifteen fourteen, trying to be a great
rugby player, the release of actually going overseas and having
a bit of joy in exploring, because life's more than
just your job.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Right well one hundred. So if you look at an
all black, so they'll play, let's just say you're, you know,
in a normal team, so the Crusaders, the Blues or
the Chiefs, you get to the finals mo majority of
the time, you'll play seventeen games, then you'll play ten
games with that's twenty seven games. But if you're just
playing in the premiss for in England or the competition
(19:41):
in France, you're getting paid almost double for half the
amount of games. Even in Japan it's the same thing.
So we need to have a look at this and
see how we can retain the guys that are coming through,
because I do see a problem. You know, when it's
like if you know you're a third or a fourth
in a position, why would you hang around when you
(20:03):
can go out more money?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It depends on your why.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
And Chris, we thank you so much for your call
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty if you'd like to
be involved. And that's what Simon imported takest on before
talking to the players before they make a decision like
this to commit to another country, to commit it's another club, franchise,
et cetera, and burn your all black aspirations?
Speaker 3 (20:30):
What is your why? Why do you play this game?
What do you want?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Has that changed dramatically since you were seventeen years old?
Have your eyes opened up to it?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Have you realized that you know what?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I don't think I'm going to it any further, and
I'm going to cash him while I'm still ahead and disappear.
But then there be other players who are absolutely driven
by being an All Black and a great one at that,
or even an average one that lasts five or six years.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
That's enough, that's cool. Everybody's different.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And the question again from that with with n z
R and Chris touched on that should they fight harder
to keep talent like him here in New Zealand. Now,
now there is a question the line of leaving. I'm
quite sure where that came from. It has pulled it
out of my grayout. But the line of where is
(21:30):
that leaving line when it comes to players and their value,
where does it sit? You might want to help me
through that one oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
high mark.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Oh, it's just it's just a layer of the land.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
You know.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
It's the money money talks.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
We all know that.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
I mean, a fairy does go, it's not great loss
to New Zealand rugby.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
There's always time that's going to come through.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
The production line is always going to come.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
So that's what I was saying about the wheel. It
turns and it spits out some magnificence, it spits out
some average, it spits out some rubbish, but it keeps
collecting and spitting out, just keeps going.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
Yeah, and it will keep going.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
It will keep going until we die and for another
one hundred years.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
You know, Harry Partner has seen them roll on the wall.
Well one is maked next year, so the year after
he certainly you know McKenzie is going to the next
World Cup.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
He's not only do a lot of game time.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
So and do you want to spend a lot of
your time on the bench watching and being a backup
or do you want to make you go out there
and play.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
The game of rugby. What's the dribe? What's your why?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
No one wants to be on the bench.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Do I many talks? Brother?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Well, no, it doesn't talk. It screams, It yells at you.
It's very very aggressive. Mark, Thanks very much for your call.
It's the twenty three minutes to eight this news talks.
He be on sports Talk all through one hundred and
eighty ten eighty making the right decision. I think he
is because it's his decision, so of course it's the
right decision.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
This is right, pretty logical.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
As far as the line of leaving it, I'm fascinated
by this. Where does it suddenly get I think most
people will go, okay, Harry pl I'm a good player,
had a great season for the Blues, picked to be
an All Black, fantastic, But I don't think too many
people are going, oh no, this, even though we haven't
got that much in the way of ten stock are freaking.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Out, Oh no, he's gone.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
If cam royguard up and left, if to mighty Williams
up and left while a city up and left. What's
your reaction then?
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Where is that line? Do you see it?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Gaps will always be filled when people disappear, but when
do they become invaluable when the winds have to seriously
fight and dig into their war chest. Twenty two minutes
to eight Sports Stalk Here on News Talk at ZB
some guy says Plumber was only a live tackle bag.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Oh, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
He's only super rugby quality. He's lucky to be in
all black He's not all black quality. Well you know
he is because he is. He's all black quality because
he was picked to be an all black Therefore he
is of all black quality. That's how it works, isn't it.
(24:35):
Seven thirty eight Sports Talk Care and News Talks here
b bedroom.
Speaker 8 (24:45):
As a live.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Sports talk This is News TALKSZB.
Speaker 9 (24:58):
Up.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Shortly, we'll get on the bill with Carlos Uberg, top
ten ranked at UFC light heavyweight fighter. He's fighting this
weekend first face nor about six months up against Volcan Ozdemir.
He's ranked eight in light heavyweights. We'll talk to him
shortly about what that means, how he's been preparing and
(25:21):
what do you do for six months while you're waiting, say,
be eating, being in the gym. That's coming up shortly.
Just for that couple of texts for you nine two
that is z B z B Darcy. I've just tuned in.
But there is another young Harry on the doorstep the name.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Of Harry Godfrey.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
He deserves a close look at there you goat and
I add it on that, Keen writes, I bet raisor
Robertson has told him that Richie's coming back. Maybe he
should just find a new job. It could have been
part of the conversation. We've got Carlos just around the
corner before that. He's sir ish, how are you today?
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Hi?
Speaker 7 (26:02):
Good? Good, Hey, Look you're going to get a lot
of like Harry Plumber. They've decided, you know, look, I
can't make it. I'm not sure, so they have to
go for the money. But I think I think what
they should have is you've got the Old Blacks and
they should have an shadow Old Blacks team as well.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
They do. It's all black a Mith, Deane or whatever
name they've got. But they've got their second team. They
were on tour as well, so when players started falling
over there just been there, you're coming with me? In fact,
wasn't Harry Plumber one of them?
Speaker 7 (26:36):
Yeah, well, if you're you're in old black a that
means you're you're knocking on the door. And if you're
not even inda, then you then you kind of you know,
not there.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, serious, he wasn't that team. He was knocking on
the wall and they opened the door and he came in.
I mean, okay, this is cool, but I'm just going
to go through the next door because I'm kind of
front the opportunity is there, right?
Speaker 7 (26:59):
Yeah? Yeah, well it's some money. It's a money thing.
So if you're getting the money, yeah, you got.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Family, Well it's it's your white serious. Why do you
play the game? Do you play the game for high
on us? Do you play the game because you want
to be a legiond Do you play the games got
nothing else to do? Do you play the game because
you're a sucker for punishment? Do you play the game
because hopefully you're going to cash in at some stage?
None of us, say Harry Plummer, we don't know what is?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Why actually is? I can just commend it for doing
It makes perfect sense to me. Seven forty four. This
is sports thought. Let's get fighting, forget the riffs.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Call you make the call Sports Talk on your home
of Sports Talk.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Carlos Alberg is in the black manifield. Let's say forward the.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
Field.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
What is strake is six.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Contender Carloss upper yep sex on the bounds after losing
his first fight in the UFC menfield. That was destruction
Terror in Mayhem YouTube. Take a look at it. It
was stunning, mister twelve seconds. That was quite the fight.
He's done, I think six months. He joins us now though, Carlos, So,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
How's Macau? How's China? Mate?
Speaker 8 (28:25):
Cheers bro, thank you?
Speaker 9 (28:26):
It's It is nice to be here in Macau, a
different city, of different country, and my first time here.
It is a massive version of Las Vegas. So I've
yet to go out and see it, but from my
window here it looks like a.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
Wow. It's amazing. It's definitely made of money.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
So you've just been stuck in the gym ther whole
time you've been there.
Speaker 9 (28:51):
Right, Well, I've only arrived last week last night, so
I've kind of just got some rest.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
I just woke up kind of unpacking things.
Speaker 9 (29:01):
And now you've you've you know, having a nice chat now,
so yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Ready to roll.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Tell me about your rolet, because this has been quite
some time. When did you last fight? Was that twelve
seconds scrap back in May? Wasn't it against men infield?
You've been sitting around doing not a great deal, that's
what you think.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
Both, I've been in the gym, the gym, been in
the gym.
Speaker 9 (29:27):
I mean, yeah, well yeah, not a good fight against
against I want to see me with it.
Speaker 8 (29:34):
But minifield, minifield and which which set us up really well.
Speaker 9 (29:39):
So now you know, I went back to the drawing board,
went back to the gym, worked on a few things.
I was set up to fight a night again, but
a few injuries and things like that put us back.
So and that happens in the fight games. A lot
of our injuries come from come from training. So most
of the time we go into a fight with minor
and bigger injuries, as you may have known.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
So these things happen.
Speaker 9 (30:03):
And now we've got a big fight against Isom, so
you know, I've kind of premeditated this whole thing.
Speaker 8 (30:09):
And now we're here, we are here.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
It's been six months.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
I that's a reasonable long time and you see you
going away to work on some stuff. You alongso got
wiped out in twelve seconds. I mean, what can you
take from a fight like that?
Speaker 8 (30:24):
Carlos, Yeah, bro, but six months.
Speaker 9 (30:28):
But see, the thing is it's it's the thing of
people don't see is get you have a quick fight
like that. But it's the training. Everything, all the all
the stresses come from the training. So we usually have
a twelve week fight camp, whether it be nine to
twelve week fight camp, and that's four to five trainings.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
Every single day, no days rest.
Speaker 9 (30:51):
So if you can imagine what can that can do
to the bodies to add the mind. And you don't
get to do much time with the family, So your
your sacrifice sacrificing time with family, time with friends, time
going out and enjoying dinners. And while everyone's in going
there Christmas and and da birthdays.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
And weddings and things like that, you're having to go.
Speaker 9 (31:12):
To the gym and sacrifice your body and put it
on the line for for a big.
Speaker 8 (31:18):
Fight in the future.
Speaker 9 (31:19):
So that's what I've been doing, man, just putting myself away,
hiding myself and in the dungeon and and getting myself
to the gym and back and putting some hard yacker
and man, that's all it comes down to.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Well, it's fine night, Big nights over mcow As he said,
it's team v eight. This guy vulcan us to twenty
and seven. What do you know about what he brings
to the octagon.
Speaker 9 (31:44):
Carloss Man, he is, he possesses power. He's he's on
a good wind streak right now. He's he's he's a
knockout artist, just like myself. So you can expect us
to bang like there's no tomorrow, that's for sure. But
he's he's, he's he's a smart guy. He's not going
to go in there and blow us load. He's an
(32:05):
experienced guys, been in there with some of the best
guys and been in the top ten for quite some
time now. So he's he's not going to go in
there and and swing or willy nilly. But uh, he's
he does possess that power. So you've got to be
careful of guys like this. You know, he's strong on
the ground, and then he's also got he's got the
touch of he's got the touch of death too. So yeah,
(32:27):
it's a fight that a lot of the fans are
gonna a lot.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
They're gonna love it, that's all I can see. Basically,
he's on a streak.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
You're on a streak as well, though, so you'd be
feeling very confident about where you're seated right now.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
Yeah, definitely, confidence does come from the training. The dumb
confidence comes from the workload that you put in the training.
So in this last fight camp, you know, definitely worked hard.
So and and I have faith and confidence within myself anyway,
So whenever I walk into that Aftergon, I make that
walk and the cage doors are locked, I ask for
(33:05):
my ancestors.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
To join me in.
Speaker 9 (33:06):
That's all it comes down to. And there and you
know they they fight with me.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
Man.
Speaker 9 (33:10):
So I've got a good country behind me, and that's
all I ask for is your prayers and your and
your faith and the country behind me is all you know,
This is what's going to get me through.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
What's your reward, Carlos Alberg?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Should you dismiss this guy, and however you do, it
doesn't really matter as long as he's gone, what happens next?
You know where you're going? Should you get the number
eight out of your way? Are were getting closer?
Speaker 9 (33:33):
To a title man that's the light heavyweight division, and
a lot of guys are talking, a lot of a
lot of the fight fans over here in the States
and and uh and also on that side of the world, definitely.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
Looking at a fight against Petta very soon.
Speaker 9 (33:49):
So we get this fight out the way, then we
could be looking at and at a at a good
surprise sometime next year. So we're definitely We're definitely one
of the favorites in there too. Well, whether it be
myself or Volcan. There's a lot of talk, you know
that people are saying, if you know, Vulcan gets this win,
(34:11):
which you want, gets this win, then he will be
up against Pettit the next And obviously that goes to
myself as well.
Speaker 8 (34:18):
So this is a great decider, a great decider.
Speaker 9 (34:21):
I mean, we've We've also got Unclelve who's a tough fighter,
and he's he's worked his way up towards towards being
to get in this fight against Peetta. But I think
a lot of the fans and a lot of you know,
the fight fans are wanting a fight with me and
and poor times so and I respect the guy. I
think he's a great warrior and good person inside and
(34:45):
outside Aftergon, So I'd love to I'd love to touch
gloves with someone like him.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
What Covid smell Hill. It's quite the list, isn't he.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
It's a keenly contested division, the light heavyweights. I suppose
you can't pick and choose, can you?
Speaker 3 (34:58):
You are what you are, your way? You want your
way right that.
Speaker 8 (35:02):
Man, and you can't.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
You're in there.
Speaker 8 (35:04):
You're in there with some of the best guys.
Speaker 9 (35:06):
And and you know, in the light heavyweight division is
is is guys who got the heavyweight power. But then
also they've got the welter weight speed. So these guys
are a tough man. So yeah, preparing for some like
guys like this is a tough ask.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
And finally, and thanks so much for joining us, Carl Ales.
Who have you got in your corner? You've got a
crow over there helping you out of maccount.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (35:30):
Man, we do have some friends who have come along,
and then we've got some some friends from the States
and back home obviously, but Macaw is.
Speaker 8 (35:37):
A tough place to get to. It was a it
was a what twenty seven hour cruise the cruise around here.
Speaker 9 (35:47):
But we've got we've got Andre, we've got Tristan on
our in our corners, and I trust those guys and
UH with their faith and trust.
Speaker 8 (35:56):
We'll get there. We'll get there. We're going to get
the wins. So let's get a new Zealand. Love your
hearing from.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
The biggest names and sports and many of your sale
eight ten eighty Sports Talk or more on your home
of Sports News Talks ed be.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
So refreshing for a mixed martial artist who actually love
his country. Thank you, Carlos, it's great, love your work.
Looking forward to our continued conversations until maybe you get
a belt and then and it happens. Top bloke, Carlos
or we're looking forward to the fight this weekend. It
is at seven at fifty three. This is News Talks.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
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