November 26, 2024 • 38 mins
D’Arcy Waldegrave is back to round up this week’s sporting news. Highlights for tonight include:
Campbell Burnes - Rugby News Editor - On Damian McKenzie named best first five in the world.
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Bevon John-Jacobs - Auckland Aces player - On being picked up in the IPL without playing a game for the Blackcaps.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talk Zed be.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome forward to your calls. After our first interview and
before our second plenty to look at. We're going to
talk at Campbell Burns shortly former Western Summer on first
five eighth, as I have it, Editor of Rugby News
and associate editor of the New Zealander Rugby Almanac, Damie
(00:35):
McKenzie was named the best verse five in World Rugby's
Team of the Year, and I straw poled this around
the studio. Who is the best first five eighth in
world rugby? First I got a pause, then I got
a no, and then a whole lot of other names.
We're going to talk about that and also the lessons
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or if you're forty years old, in a bit thick,
the learnings of the tour to the Northern Hemisphere, indeed
the entire fourteen match test series under Razor robertson good,
bad and different, What he scored, Where are the holes,
where aren't the holes? What's positive? What's negative? And we'll
take your thoughts and calls on that as well as
Damien McKenzie, Is he the best verse five eighth in
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the world. Why and if he isn't, who is? Tell me.
Toward the end of the program, we'll catch up with
Bevin John Jacobs or Bevan Jacobs. I believe he'd rather
be called. He's a Auckland Aces player for m Canterbury
Kings player now playing for the Mumbai Indians. Wow, got
picked overnight for the IPL. We'll talk to him about that,
(01:41):
how it happened, why it happened, and what happens next
to the big hitting one from Auckland through Canterbury back
to Auckland again. That's our plan. But before we indulge
in said master plan.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Let's do this today.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Bevin Jacobs, as mentioned the IPL's surprise new KII recruit,
was the last to know of his good fortune. The
Bludgeoning Bat woke up to a flood of congratulatory messages.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I thought I'd better going to sleep because they got
training in the morning. And then I woke up at
five thirty to about a million different messages from family
overseas that were able to watch it live, and so
it was pretty cool to get that. To wake up too.
I thought they were cranking me to start off.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
With a million and more from Bevan Jacobs later and
the piece, the man who bank rolled AUKANDFC Foley is
obviously as pleased as punch at his team's early lick
at the A League. AFC boss Nick Becker.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
He's been watching every game back in the US and
tends the coal postmatch. When we get the three points,
he's pretty excited. So he's really supportive, really pleased on
how we're going and reminding us to keep the good workout.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
English bet Joe Root has fond memories of Graham Thought,
one of two men whose names that's sim and Martin.
Crow adorned the trophy that England and New Zealand will
be playing for in the upcoming test series.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Spent a lot of time with Thought. He spent a
lot of time watching him as a kid, grow up
and influence that he's had a micro areas rival really
you know, both as as someone to look up to
and and try and emulate the way that he played
the game.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Big Man Nay Huge Man Taco Fall has finally committed
to the Breakers. The Skyscraping Center is pleased to have
overcome a troublesome quad injury.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It's been a few months and then this injury happened
unexpectedly and it just feels good to be able to
come back and destructure.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
And that's sports today. It is ten past seven. Let's
say it with Campbell Burns, former summon first five eighth,
not at the test level, No, but he did play
for the Country, editor of Rugby News and assistant editor
of Venus Helander Rugby Almanac, joins us now to talk
about the All Black team and Damie McKenzie, the best
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first five eighth in the world. I like Campbell Burns,
I trust you well made.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Thank you, Darcy. I'm very well and actually looking forward
to a bit of a summer break after a Smagers
board of rugby.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It's been a long old season, but we've only been
reporting it. You've been writing on it. We've not been playing.
So that's a key thing. Let's look back at this.
I suppose I've seen marks out of ten for this
season for Scott robertson comment left, right and center at
what he's done right, what he's done wrong? In a
broader sense of it, has this been a successful season
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for you? And based on what Campbell.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Yes and no, I would I mean a ten to
four record they might have taken that at the start
of the year, but we look closely at the Aubacks
with more scrutiny, so we look at performances. So I
would say that we get to get their four eighty
minute performance. We've seen ten rookies blood which is nice
but and glimpses of very good rugby. But still a
(04:51):
lot of questions about this allbacks team, particularly around the
game management and their back line. Now I think the
Fords have taken some good strides there, but yep, there's
still work to do in a few rocks under those
beach towels.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
During summer expectation for this team, I don't think anyone
expected they were going to win all fourteen test matches,
did they? That would probably going a step too far.
What did you want to see? Where did they drop short?
You mentioned in the back line? Is that the biggest
problem you have? I think so.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
I mean, when you've got a good Fords platform, and
they certainly did. With the scrums, the likes of Tupo
VII stepped up, will I Setti came to the fore.
So the Fords overall were pretty good. They won their
ball and competed hard. I think there was probably a
bit of a disconnect. It was a bit better on
the interview too, when Cam Royguard came back in. Damien
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mackenzie had some good moments goalkicked well, but I'm not
convinced that he's he's the man to guide a test
to side around the track and then further out we
didn't really see well. We saw some good stuff from
the likes of Caleb Clark and Will Jordan, but still
doubts over who is the best other wing, Ezrico Yuani
the best center or is he better placed on the wing.
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These are some questions that still swirl about the side
and then just generally too much drop ball. We saw
that against Italy on the weekend, just dropping the ball
and promising situations, which is hard to fathom really because
they work so hard on their skill set, Why would
they drop the ball as they do so infuriating in
patches the sawback side and then moments of sunshine breaking
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out from that, I think you could sum it up.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Camill Burns, Damien McKenzie. He had the team jersey to
start to eventually relinquished it, got it back again. Has
been named as the first five eighth of the Year
by World Rugby interesting call. Two things, Where do you
think he ranks and who was the best first five
eighth in global rugby currently?
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Well, I'm here to tell you it's not Damien Mackenzie.
Much as I like him as a super rugby player
and a rugby player in general, he got kicked very well.
We know that he played very well against Ireland and
in patches he showed his talent, but he didn't really
take control as much as we would have liked to
have seen. And that's why Boden Barrett, you know, who's
perhaps a safer pair of hands, came in for two
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or three games. Who is the best first five in
the world while on form the likes of Finn Russell
of Scotland, Thomas Ramos has come in and played very
well for France, and Marcus Smith of England, who's a
player they need to England does need to build their
game around. I don't know whether they quite fully trust
him yet, but he's a man with a wide skill set.
So those three I would have thought would have ranked
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higher than Mackenzie. So to me, that was an interesting call,
not one I would have agreed with. So yeah, considering
McKenzie's not even the best number ten in New Zealand
on form at the moment and.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Very shaky that ten role about where Robertson's actually going
with us, and of course we've got the shadow of
Richie Mooner over the whole selection process too. Where do
they go and should there be alarm bells ringing around this?
This is the forkrum, this is the key selection in
the side. We don't appear to be much wineser about
where the team is going with that.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
I think Robertson's banking on Richie Moner coming back and
that will there's a fair bit of water to go
under the bridge there to get him to break. The
last year of his conduct in Japan was He's definitely
the man who will take control razor gets the best
out of him. People's talk about, oh, he hasn't done
much in two World Cups?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Will he has?
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Actually he's played pretty well in the last World Cup
in particular, but I mean just a world class ten.
So he would definitely be the man. If you think
they can get him back from July next year, that
would be great or at worst in July twenty twenty six.
But he's still only thirty years old.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Richie Mormer.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
I think he's got plenty left and he would slot
straight back in because Robertsons shown he goes with men
he trusts, like Scott Barrett as captain for instance, and
a lot of these fringe crusaders. So I think he's
putting all his eggs in the mauna basket. So we'll
see whether he gets back next year or the year after.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Interesting, Campbell that you mentioned Scott Barrett, the few or
words around that maybe he might not be the ideal
guy and maybe the captaincy needs to change. Do you
want to expand on that for us?
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Yeah, I'm not convinced about that. I mean Scott Barrett still,
he's still a very good footballer. He's a starting lock.
People are worried about his discipline and the main and
that yellow card, I mean that was a crock rider
was probably a marginal call on the weekend against Italy.
He yeah, I mean he's had a couple of yellow cards.
The Aubeck's discipline as a whole hasn't been that great,
to be fair, But I don't think that's on Barrett's shoulders.
(09:37):
And again, I mean Robinson will always go with the
man he trusts That's why Foster win with Sam Kaine
as his captain. I would have a problem with Ardie
Savia captain per se, but it's a question of whether
the coach is fully in sync with him, so I
don't think the captaincy is a major issue. Barrett's place
as the starting lock is not in question, So yeah,
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those sort of questions are more just a retaliation to
the fact that the Albeck's discipline hasn't been what it.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Should and was a pretty average final game. I think
that the All Blacks one on the scoreboard, but Italy
won the night in my personal opinion. Let's leave things
Campbell burns with this areas of weakness. Where is the
tender underbelly position wise for this All Black team? If
you were to ring alarm bells, where would you be
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ringing them?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Well?
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Probably sheer combination of that ten, twelve, thirteen Jordi Barrett's
the best twelve, but who should be going at ten
more and might fill that hole? Azrico? Are you only
the best center? Shannon Frazell could come back and definitely
fill that number six position, but I think some Apenny
fee now has a future there as well. So those
three positions perhaps the right wing, so three or four there.
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I think the type five is looking pretty promising, but
I wouldn't say there are necessarily areas of weakness, but
those are areas of concern as far as making the
whole part work in the all backs and generally speaking
the Fords are looking pretty good. We just need to
nail down that blindside flanker position and I think Frazell
could be the man coming back to do that, and
then if Ritchie Mongan comes back, I think the rest
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of it will flow from there.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
The right call is your call on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Sports Talk Call on your home of Sports
News Talk Zibby.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
If Richie Muwanga comes back, that was Campbell Burns for
summer on first five eight As it happens, also editor
of Nezeland Rugby News, taking a look at the goods
and bads, the indifference in the uglies of Scott Robertson's
first year in charge of the All Blacks, and questioning
World Rugby selection of the Team of the Year at
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first five eighth Damien McKenzie nineteen minutes after seven lines
are open on eight hundred eighty ten eighty nice and simple.
Is he the best first five eighth in world rugby?
But if you text already say you know Richie Mwoga,
you Richie Wong is not playing in world rugby right now,
is playing in Japanese League rugby. It's not even close
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to world rugby. Why it's a nice place to cash
in a retirement check and he may well come back.
Campbell's been saying mcnations around trying to attract him back
into the side, but he's not there now right so
he doesn't count. So we look right across all the
nations and you choose you believe to be the best
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first five eighth. Very interested to know where that leans
because I've got a distinct feelings talking with producer Andy Duffy,
Andy that maybe New Zealanders almost jaundice against Damien McKenzie.
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He started what was at the first eight Test matches
of the season. I mean he was the go to
first five eight, He was the first choice. Bowden Barrett
rolled and later on in the piece he also pulled out.
If you're basically on a one performance, Amy McKenzie a
cracker of a game against Ireland. Have we got blinkers
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on when it comes to Damien McKenzie, Can we maybe
not see what he brings and how good he actually
is because we're pining for the Fjords and we're pining
for the likes of Boden Barrett in his glory days
or a Ritchie Wonger. Now go back to Dan Carter.
That's ancient history. So I wonder who you go with there?
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I mean names that were thrown up Crowley and Finn
Russell and and Marcus Smith. Are they really better Andreke Pollard?
He's five hundred years old, But here is a player
for it. Who would you like to have in that
crunch position? Who would you like to have? Who for
you is the best first five eighth in the world?
And are we jaundice around Damien McKenzie, Like I'll put
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my hand up and say I've hardly been covering him
in glory and compliments right from the get go. Still
have a small problem around trust when it gets rough
and when it gets tough? Does he actually have a
stern enough makeup to deal with that? And maybe in
time he will? And I think what it showed us
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against Ireland is that he is actually capable. Maybe short
shut shrift, let me know oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is Damien McKenzie the best first five eighth
in global rugby currently playing international test rugby. He isn't.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Who is.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Ten eighty? You can text it as well. Nineteen nine
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Dog's ab he need for the TMO.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
We've got the breakdown on sports Talk call oh eight
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Speaker 2 (15:07):
Loveless track. Unfortunately, if you're in the music industry and
you release as a New Zealander, any song with a
word run in it veriably gets hijacked by the All
Blacks and sky TV Soviet tanks. The song quite frankly
twenty five past seven SportsTalk on news Talks eb ten
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eighty is Damien McKenzie the best first five eight in
the world. Have we got something wrong? We jawned us
that we we aren't happy with what he provides World
Rugby say now, I'm not saying that World Rugby no
at all, and the way they run the game, they
certainly don't. But they've nominated him as their player of
the year in that position to key position. He deserved that,
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and then he doesn't. Who does good a Shannon, how
are you?
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Yeah, good mate, how are you.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Happy as a clam mate? What's on your mind?
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Yeah, Damien McKenzie is an All Black. Has frustrated me
a hell of a you know, there's those clutch moments
that even going back to twenty eighteen South Africa Wellington
where he just he just killed our attack and we
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could have won that game. And that was the first
time that South Africa beat the All Blacks in Wellington
in nine years. You know, so sometimes you have to
wear you have to wear that, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Do you think though, with experiences like that, I'm going
to be defensive of the guy because I've been critical
of him. But when a guy like that makes those
mistakes and then he starts taking the role on full
time and learning from those, does he developed Has he
shown signs of developments not being of the line for.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
Him, Well, no, he's no, he hasn't made in my opinion,
because he's been in the All Blacks setup for twenty eighteen.
I mean we're in twenty twenty four now, so he's
been in professional rugby for a long time.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
And you know, even.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
You know, just drop all stupid texts and and boat
emeric can go to that as well.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Wow, World Player of the Year two times running. You're
a harsh task master sent.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Yeah, well we're comparing them to Dan Carter, aren't we.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Do you think maybe we should build that bridge, just
get over it and run away, then burn it back
down because that's a long time ago.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Yeah, but that's the standard that we've come to. We
expect vehicles, is that the the cream wars rises to
the top. Right, I don't think we've got a right
I don't.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Just before we take the next course, and thanks so
much for engaging. Who was the best first five eighth
in international rugby?
Speaker 6 (17:59):
Right now? Paula?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I mentioned Paula before. He's getting on a wee bit,
but it's as solemn as you like.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
He's still the best.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Thanks very much for joining the show. H one hundred
and eighty ten eighty agree disagree? Climb on board, but
up to hear from your high Adrian?
Speaker 8 (18:20):
Hello mate, how not so bad?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Where are you on? One?
Speaker 8 (18:23):
Oh? Look, look, look, I'm an ex league player all right,
and I love the rugby. I'll watch it as well.
You know not they're biased about it, but I played
a senior league in Auckland, in my prime. I'm eighty
years old now to play for I played for City
Newton way back. I think we won the premiership in
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nineteen sixty six, but the club struggled with junior players.
You know, to make a full compliment of the teams.
But look, I've watched Damen Mackenzie. I think he's a
better league player than he is a rugby player. And
the previous caller that said Dan Carter. Yes, but a
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totally different era, totally different time, totally different fitness regime
and all the other countries in the world have stepped
up and it's made it much much more difficult for
players like Mackenzie. But people forget I've watched I think
he was a who have played down country for the Chiefs,
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didn't he? I think? And I've watched a lot of
his games, and when he's magic, he's quite magic. And Okay,
he makes a few blunders and everything else, but I
reckon that, you know, for the break that he makes
and the things that he does, there's not a lot
around like him that can do what he can do.
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Everybody makes little mistakes and things like that, but you
can't knock him for that. How many times has he
created something that's learned that complimented the team and progressed
to a try.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Well, that's the balance you got to find, isn't it.
Agent You're going to find out there will always be bad,
but there'll always be good. What dominates, what dominates?
Speaker 8 (20:14):
And as kiwis and I'm one, we we focus more
on the on the negative side of things. Sometimes fans
do that.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Come on, man, they all do that.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
Of course they do. You know, everybody does that on
the first to admit that. But give the guy go.
I know he's you know, been around for a while,
but I still think for that position he deserves the
credit for what for what he plays, you know, But
as I said, he'd be a hell of a good
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league player because of the breaks that he makes and
the tries that he sets up. You know.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Great to hear you on the program. Adrian was the
sitting eating dragons.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
Wasn't it sitting? No? Just yes, I think they call
them the dragons in the end. But I played in
nineteen sixty three, sixty four and sixty six was the
year we won the premiership. But we had great players
like Ron Eckland Race and Reach Cook, Dougie Lwood excuses.
We had a mighty team in those years.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
You know, mighty. Indeed, Hey, Adrian, thanks very much for
calling three. Really appreciate it. I get this dragon doesn't.
I'll keep wanting to say the sitting in bombers, But
that's some mad band I think from an era away gone. AnyWho, Adrian,
thanks very much for your time. Let's move along to
Nick good evening.
Speaker 9 (21:41):
Yeah you go here, going good.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 8 (21:45):
Well?
Speaker 9 (21:46):
I think, first of all, Pollard's probably is the best
current first five running around because it just drives that
South African backline and controls that four pair quite well.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
That's his job.
Speaker 9 (21:57):
I don't think he does a good job. I think
it's just it's consistency is probably what will give him
the best the top spot. But well, our boy, I
keep on looking to watch him, and I keep on
thinking about Carlos Spencer, and that's just it does my
head because I never like Carlos. He just wasn't consistent enough.
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And that's why I Stephen McKenzie it was I'm like,
I watch I again, I here we go again, and
I watched the game. I go, that's Carlos, because that's
that's what can be referring back to whether it's the
right thing to do.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (22:30):
I know, it's a different error, it's a different time.
But I think that his style a game, he just
hasn't got that consistency and it is the same as Spencer.
So that's kind of where I come come down with him.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
When you look at a game like the Irish game
and the huge effect that he had on that game,
does that suggest to you that there is more promise
and he has learned from some of his play and
this was maybe someone for the future beause we're not
sure that we're going to get Richie Moore back again.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
So we've got a problem there. We've got a big
problem because if we're on I'm going to come back,
he's about a year or two removed, and I don't
know if he's going to be the same. He's playing
Japanese rugby. It's a bit, a bit of a holiday.
It's it's I think we've got a problem that in
the inside backs. I mean, I like the halfbag they
got their boy friend Willington, but I don't know. I
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haven't got the answer, obviously, I'm not. Yeah, I just
don't have the answer. I don't know who is going
to come through. But I don't know IF's going to
Wong it's going to be the right answer either. I
just don't know if McKinsey's going to learn. He's been
right for a while now.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
You know.
Speaker 9 (23:38):
And he does have good games and he can control buddies.
He goes off the board, he goes missing, get a
bit of walk about and yeah, I don't know. That's
the corner where I am. So I put him in
the I put him in the Carlo Spencer League. It's
just you know, watch.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Nick good only mate. Thanks very much for your call.
You have comparisons to Carlos Spence. Probably fair, isn't it
that mercurial is the word they use up and down
like the plane.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
It's good mark, There you go.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
So what was your review on the year with Razor?
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Then?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I thought for me it was probably too conservative. He
was probably not releasing everything was. He wanted to have
a very careful step into that role, which had a
lot of people I think were gunning for him. So
I think he could have done better with some of
his selections. He could have been brave with some of
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the selections. Nice to see they overturned an issue that
they had bit sad in the fact that the team
couldn't score at the end, and this is something All
Blacks used to do and that I question and it
puzzled me. So if you're doing a rating of the year,
I'll probably say, probably say seven that there's so much
more work to be done. It's year one though, and
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he knows it right.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
That's right, you know, And it was. It was a
seventy winning ratio through the year. I think Romance so
African coach this this year was below that. So considering
the losses that we've had, White Light Smith, Malanga, Frasel
Dane Coles is five. It's been a pretty good year. Really,
(25:24):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Think sevens if you want to give it a mark
a failure. Wouldn't call it a failure to year, but
there's a number of areas where you think, well that
that could have been better. It wasn't particularly all Black,
but I think he was conservative in the way he
went about his business. There were signs mark of brilliance,
but not only enough.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
One and that hadn't come yet. But that will come,
you know, that will come. You know, this is a
new coaching era. You know, the last fifteen years have
Henry Hanson Foster.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
So it's also something about Robertson is that it's a
very new era in the fact that Darren Shand is
no longer there as well. I think we underestimate what
Shandy did for that All Black team as the manager.
Now he's walked a lot of the deep structure within
the support crew around the All Blacks is fragmented somewhat.
That makes things quite difficult.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
Well, yeah, you don't know. I mean, did Shand have
a mortgage on that job? Awey, bit too long? Some
say you, Some say no, So you needed to be
a whole, whole soul change.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Well, I don't we know who they're going to judge him, Mark,
We're going to judge him on a World Cup coming
up in a few years time, and that's it. That's
how we judge our All Black time. And I you know,
we all know we'll watch this team long enough. The
old horrible crutch that the All Blacks used to have brilliant, unmatchable, superb,
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superlative up until the World Cup year and then it
was all wide. As long as the World Cup is secured,
I don't mind how much messing around they do in
the in between, don't they please try and know when
more than you lose seventy five? That's good, win the
World Cup, that's it. And I would love to applaud
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Ian Foster for winning the World Cup and putting a
finger at ends at Au, but he didn't do it. Sorry,
that's what I know. It was only one point andy,
but still one point less. That's he's still lost, still lost,
should have won? Still lost? Will we end up saying
the same thing about Robinson? Possibly still lost? Seven thirty seven.
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This is News Talk a z B Coming up next,
Bevan Jacobs. You had no idea who he was when
you wake up this morning? Did untill he opened the
paper and went who what? Where is new recruit into
the IPL? It's only sixty grand, but sixty grand? I
haven't got no international cricket experience behind him. That therea
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is IPL player. Wonderful story, Jacobs joins.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Usn't it's the film hands.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
For one good and help talking about that after hearing
this evening and Darcy Audergrave Mumbai Indians bat that sounds
so cool. He's actually played for the Canterbury side and
now is an Auckland Aces player playing in the New
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Zealand Domestic League Bevan John Jacobs or Bevan Jacobs. I
believe he refers to or prefers to be referred to
as he joins us now after he picked up in
the ipl ox overnight sixty grand no international experience, but
he threw his name into the hat and buya, he's
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got himself a new job. Crazy story, even Jacobs, Welcome
to the show mate.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Thanks for having me very much, Darcy, how are you?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
You're good? When I wake up this morning and saw
this character Bevan John Jacobs, which is you know your
full name? I thought, how on earth is this just
signed to play cricket in the IPL and I expect
quite a few people thought the same thing. Were you
as surprised as we were to sign up?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Definitely was? Yeah, I'm sure quite a few people were
that reaction, as did I this morning. I definitely, you know,
had about a million messages on my phone that I
woke up to and it was the least thing I
was expecting to see when I woke up. But obviously
a pleasant surprise as it.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Was ridiculously pleasant because really, in your wildest dreams, when
you threw your name in your hat. You weren't thinking
you were going to pick up a contract with the IPL.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Or were you? No, No, not at all. I mean
it was it was a bit of a last minute
decision and just for it to turn out the way
that it did, obviously, I'm quite glad that it happened,
and had some good people around me that pushed me
in that right direction. So yeah, it was. It was
pretty awesome. It's pretty pretty surreal. It probably hasn't fully
hit me just yet.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
So why did you do it? What was your drive?
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I just, you know, I had a lot of people
around me, just you know, kind of telling me that
it said something. You know, you're not going to really
lose out on anything, and I thought, you know, it's
probably not a bad point, you know, so you put
your name in the hat and you never know what
might happen, and you don't really think it's going to
happen until it does. So yeah, it was. It was
just pretty pretty special and something I wasn't expecting. But yeah,
I'll definitely take it with both hands and see what happens.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Nothing ventured, nothing gained, As they say, I don't want
to predict the future, because that'd be insane. But I'll
have a crack anyway because thus broadcast as we can't
help ourselves. Is there a thought that maybe you might
end up becoming a T twenty mercenary, never getting an
international cap, and just spending your cricketing career tour and
run the world playing in these leagues that thought crossed
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your mind.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Bevin, Not exactly. I certainly hope it doesn't turn out
to be just that. I think, you know, playing for
New Zealand has been a dream of mine since since
I was a kid in as early as I can remember,
you know, growing up in Auckland and playing all that
cricket here and just wanting that to be wanting that
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to be the end goal, you know. So I think
that's always something that I'm going to try and aspire
and work towards. You know. Obviously, with this this IPL situation,
it's a it's an added bonus. But I do think that,
you know, playing for New Zealand and representing the Furners
is going to be any any young lad's main goal
when they're growing up. So I think that's still going
to be the priority.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Good I consider myself put in my corner where I'm
supposed to be with that, we're joined by Bevan John
Jacobs or Bevan Jacobs. Just to make things simple, that's
your rather role, isn't it, Bevan.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yeah, that's it's just to make it a little bit short,
a little bit easier.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Tell us about the way you bat. I've heard people
say that you hit a very heavy ball. The noise
of the leather off the willow is something to behold,
but you'd do it with ease. I suppose it's hard
to talk yourself up, but how would you describe yourself
as a bat? What do you bring to the wicket?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Bevin? I'm happy to hear that's that's what's being said.
I mean, I definitely do try and hit the ball hard.
And I guess the role that I've been put in
in the T twenty format that I've been playing it
lately is just to come come in and try and
create some sort of impact. I guess that's that's kind
of the main role, just to be that impact player.
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Can you can you hit from ball one if the
team requires that sort of thing. So I think that's
just the type of player that you know, I can
I can try and be and that's what's that's what's
going to get me into the team at this stage.
Obviously as a player, I want to continue to develop
and get better, but yeah, just trying to provide as
much X factor as I can is probably the way
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I described the batting at the moment.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
We do you like to play? Are you traditional? Do
you like to play in the v Does it go
along the ground or you just jump up the wicket
and smash it wherever you possibly can describe your style
for us BEVN.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Oh, well I would. I would like to think that
I can definitely be more traditional bat if the if
the situation calls upon it, and just kind of build
from there. So yeah, I think I think it's trying
to find a good balance between both of them. But
you know, being being a top order batsman that can
hit the ball hard when the team needs it, it's
probably the long term goal and the dream one day,
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so I'll probably just keep working towards that.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
What's your favorite shot?
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Oh, that's a tough one. It's a loaded question on
the dot. I think when the when the when the
pull shot comes off right, that's pretty tough to beat.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
It.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Fantastic Bevin Jacobs joins us signed up to the IPL.
So if you had any communication with the meat, do
you know exactly what you're doing, what the process, what
the steps are from now?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Not too much directly. I think it's pretty fresh that
everything's happened at the moment. I think, you know, there's
a lot of messages on my phone that I still
left to sort through, so I'll make sure i'll get
on to all of that tonight. But I'm just really
excited to just see where leeds. So I'll be waiting
eagerly on the phone and seeing what sort of information
I can get.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Now. I'm sure that people will want to talk about
money you've signed up for. I think sixty thousand bucks.
Is that there's no pro rider anymore unless you get injured.
That that's the money you're going to get, regardless of
whether you play or not, whether you're selected or not.
Is that how it works?
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Ben?
Speaker 3 (34:28):
I would be lying if I was like, I've got
no one hundred percent guarantee of how all of that works,
to be honest, So all I did was really put
my name in the hat and then my name got
pulled out. So I think I'm trying to learn all
of this as quickly as everyone else's which might be surprising,
but it's yeah, I wouldn't be able to tell you
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with all honesty.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Even we always want honesty. Thank you very much for that.
Now you're off to your Mumbai. You've got the sant
Na Claus, Mitchell San and lovely Trenty with you in
the side there. It's got to give you some strength.
They have a couple of KII blokes in there just
to guy you through.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean I'm just going to
be going over there and trying to pick their brains
and learn as much as I can and absorb as
much information as I can during the time that I'm
there with with all of those world class players. So
I think it's a pretty special opportunity, regardless of playtime,
just to just to be able to try and develop
as much as I can as a cricketer.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
And talking about your T twenty exploits, when you went
down to Canterbury you went down there for school, didn't
you went down there for university. You had the ground running,
didn't you. You managed to flog a couple of pretty
beginnings and in no time at all was that genuinely
expected from you. Did you have that style of play,
that form as you moved down to Canterbury to I
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suppose school and generate your cricketing career.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
I mean, I guess that's always where you know, you
want to have that confidence and backing yourself to be
able to do it. But I guess you never really
know until it happens. So it was, you know, when
I came away with a few, it was it was
a pleasant surprise. You kind of get that resturance that
I like, that's nice, I can actually like, you know,
I can perform at this level and stuff, and I
think just building it from there. And when I was
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down there, had a really clear role and a good
team and good coaches around me to help make that
even clearer and so that allowed me to perform pretty well.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
And you played a bit of cricket with one of
the new big things in New Zealand cricket, oh Rourke.
You've got a relationship with him because he's hit the
ground running, isn't he.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, he's a phenomenal player. I remember him being an
absolute nightmare to face in junior cricket and in the
nets of Canterbury. So I'm really happy for everything that's
going well with him. He absolutely deserves it and he's
a heck of a black as well as a great cricketer.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
So you moved up to Auckland, you're going to carry
on your first class career up here before you disappear
off over to India. Watson your immediate cross, he is,
what have you got coming up?
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Well, we've got a plunket sheel game against Canterbury on Thursday,
so I think that's that's the main focus for me
and obviously the entire squad. So obviously this ip on
news is something awesome and it's pretty special, but I
just want to keep the you know, keep your head
down and keep working on what's what's directly ahead of you.
So I think trying to put my best foot forward
for Auckland is still going to be the main focus.
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Still got a lot of the season left, so yeah,
I think the IPL is pretty special, but got some
other things to focus on.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
First, twenty two years old, nine t twinies in the
Super Smash one hundred and thirty four runs at thirty
three and a half of the strike rate of one
hundred and eighty eight. I'd pick your two mate and
one last thing, now that you're actually in the spotlight,
how do you deal with that? Because I'm sure that
you've been as you see the phone's being going, that's
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the media would have been harassing you. Is that a
space you're looking forward to sitting in?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Well, I guess it's it's It's a different sort of challenge, isn't.
It's something I haven't quite dealt with yet. But I mean,
I've got I've got a good support group around me,
and I've got, you know, a lot of a lot
of good mates in the team and good coaches and
just pick good people around me. So I think that
sort of thing, if you know, it can be it
can be a confronting matter. But I think I've got
a lot of people around me that I can talk
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to and go to. So I think just trying to
follow my same processes and go about each day as
normal is going to be the best way for me
to try and battle anything that any sort of issue
that arises. And that Bevin.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Jacob's congratulations, thanks very much for joining us. And if
as you are going to work out how they're going
to pay you, because if they get any wind of
that mate, you might not get anything. Hey, thanks for
your time.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
You go well, mate, Thanks very much, have a good one.
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome forward to your calls. After our first interview and
before our second plenty to look at. We're going to
talk at Campbell Burns shortly former Western Summer on first
five eighth, as I have it, Editor of Rugby News
and associate editor of the New Zealander Rugby Almanac, Damie
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McKenzie was named the best verse five in World Rugby's
Team of the Year, and I straw poled this around
the studio. Who is the best first five eighth in
world rugby? First I got a pause, then I got
a no, and then a whole lot of other names.
We're going to talk about that and also the lessons
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or if you're forty years old, in a bit thick,
the learnings of the tour to the Northern Hemisphere, indeed
the entire fourteen match test series under Razor robertson good,
bad and different, What he scored, Where are the holes,
where aren't the holes? What's positive? What's negative? And we'll
take your thoughts and calls on that as well as
Damien McKenzie, Is he the best verse five eighth in
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the world. Why and if he isn't, who is? Tell me.
Toward the end of the program, we'll catch up with
Bevin John Jacobs or Bevan Jacobs. I believe he'd rather
be called. He's a Auckland Aces player for m Canterbury
Kings player now playing for the Mumbai Indians. Wow, got
picked overnight for the IPL. We'll talk to him about that,
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how it happened, why it happened, and what happens next
to the big hitting one from Auckland through Canterbury back
to Auckland again. That's our plan. But before we indulge
in said master plan.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Let's do this today.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Bevin Jacobs, as mentioned the IPL's surprise new KII recruit,
was the last to know of his good fortune. The
Bludgeoning Bat woke up to a flood of congratulatory messages.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I thought I'd better going to sleep because they got
training in the morning. And then I woke up at
five thirty to about a million different messages from family
overseas that were able to watch it live, and so
it was pretty cool to get that. To wake up too.
I thought they were cranking me to start off.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
With a million and more from Bevan Jacobs later and
the piece, the man who bank rolled AUKANDFC Foley is
obviously as pleased as punch at his team's early lick
at the A League. AFC boss Nick Becker.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
He's been watching every game back in the US and
tends the coal postmatch. When we get the three points,
he's pretty excited. So he's really supportive, really pleased on
how we're going and reminding us to keep the good workout.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
English bet Joe Root has fond memories of Graham Thought,
one of two men whose names that's sim and Martin.
Crow adorned the trophy that England and New Zealand will
be playing for in the upcoming test series.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Spent a lot of time with Thought. He spent a
lot of time watching him as a kid, grow up
and influence that he's had a micro areas rival really
you know, both as as someone to look up to
and and try and emulate the way that he played
the game.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Big Man Nay Huge Man Taco Fall has finally committed
to the Breakers. The Skyscraping Center is pleased to have
overcome a troublesome quad injury.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It's been a few months and then this injury happened
unexpectedly and it just feels good to be able to
come back and destructure.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
And that's sports today. It is ten past seven. Let's
say it with Campbell Burns, former summon first five eighth,
not at the test level, No, but he did play
for the Country, editor of Rugby News and assistant editor
of Venus Helander Rugby Almanac, joins us now to talk
about the All Black team and Damie McKenzie, the best
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first five eighth in the world. I like Campbell Burns,
I trust you well made.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Thank you, Darcy. I'm very well and actually looking forward
to a bit of a summer break after a Smagers
board of rugby.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It's been a long old season, but we've only been
reporting it. You've been writing on it. We've not been playing.
So that's a key thing. Let's look back at this.
I suppose I've seen marks out of ten for this
season for Scott robertson comment left, right and center at
what he's done right, what he's done wrong? In a
broader sense of it, has this been a successful season
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for you? And based on what Campbell.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Yes and no, I would I mean a ten to
four record they might have taken that at the start
of the year, but we look closely at the Aubacks
with more scrutiny, so we look at performances. So I
would say that we get to get their four eighty
minute performance. We've seen ten rookies blood which is nice
but and glimpses of very good rugby. But still a
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lot of questions about this allbacks team, particularly around the
game management and their back line. Now I think the
Fords have taken some good strides there, but yep, there's
still work to do in a few rocks under those
beach towels.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
During summer expectation for this team, I don't think anyone
expected they were going to win all fourteen test matches,
did they? That would probably going a step too far.
What did you want to see? Where did they drop short?
You mentioned in the back line? Is that the biggest
problem you have? I think so.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
I mean, when you've got a good Fords platform, and
they certainly did. With the scrums, the likes of Tupo
VII stepped up, will I Setti came to the fore.
So the Fords overall were pretty good. They won their
ball and competed hard. I think there was probably a
bit of a disconnect. It was a bit better on
the interview too, when Cam Royguard came back in. Damien
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mackenzie had some good moments goalkicked well, but I'm not
convinced that he's he's the man to guide a test
to side around the track and then further out we
didn't really see well. We saw some good stuff from
the likes of Caleb Clark and Will Jordan, but still
doubts over who is the best other wing, Ezrico Yuani
the best center or is he better placed on the wing.
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These are some questions that still swirl about the side
and then just generally too much drop ball. We saw
that against Italy on the weekend, just dropping the ball
and promising situations, which is hard to fathom really because
they work so hard on their skill set, Why would
they drop the ball as they do so infuriating in
patches the sawback side and then moments of sunshine breaking
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out from that, I think you could sum it up.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Camill Burns, Damien McKenzie. He had the team jersey to
start to eventually relinquished it, got it back again. Has
been named as the first five eighth of the Year
by World Rugby interesting call. Two things, Where do you
think he ranks and who was the best first five
eighth in global rugby currently?
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Well, I'm here to tell you it's not Damien Mackenzie.
Much as I like him as a super rugby player
and a rugby player in general, he got kicked very well.
We know that he played very well against Ireland and
in patches he showed his talent, but he didn't really
take control as much as we would have liked to
have seen. And that's why Boden Barrett, you know, who's
perhaps a safer pair of hands, came in for two
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or three games. Who is the best first five in
the world while on form the likes of Finn Russell
of Scotland, Thomas Ramos has come in and played very
well for France, and Marcus Smith of England, who's a
player they need to England does need to build their
game around. I don't know whether they quite fully trust
him yet, but he's a man with a wide skill set.
So those three I would have thought would have ranked
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higher than Mackenzie. So to me, that was an interesting call,
not one I would have agreed with. So yeah, considering
McKenzie's not even the best number ten in New Zealand
on form at the moment and.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Very shaky that ten role about where Robertson's actually going
with us, and of course we've got the shadow of
Richie Mooner over the whole selection process too. Where do
they go and should there be alarm bells ringing around this?
This is the forkrum, this is the key selection in
the side. We don't appear to be much wineser about
where the team is going with that.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
I think Robertson's banking on Richie Moner coming back and
that will there's a fair bit of water to go
under the bridge there to get him to break. The
last year of his conduct in Japan was He's definitely
the man who will take control razor gets the best
out of him. People's talk about, oh, he hasn't done
much in two World Cups?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Will he has?
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Actually he's played pretty well in the last World Cup
in particular, but I mean just a world class ten.
So he would definitely be the man. If you think
they can get him back from July next year, that
would be great or at worst in July twenty twenty six.
But he's still only thirty years old.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Richie Mormer.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
I think he's got plenty left and he would slot
straight back in because Robertsons shown he goes with men
he trusts, like Scott Barrett as captain for instance, and
a lot of these fringe crusaders. So I think he's
putting all his eggs in the mauna basket. So we'll
see whether he gets back next year or the year after.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Interesting, Campbell that you mentioned Scott Barrett, the few or
words around that maybe he might not be the ideal
guy and maybe the captaincy needs to change. Do you
want to expand on that for us?
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Yeah, I'm not convinced about that. I mean Scott Barrett still,
he's still a very good footballer. He's a starting lock.
People are worried about his discipline and the main and
that yellow card, I mean that was a crock rider
was probably a marginal call on the weekend against Italy.
He yeah, I mean he's had a couple of yellow cards.
The Aubeck's discipline as a whole hasn't been that great,
to be fair, But I don't think that's on Barrett's shoulders.
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And again, I mean Robinson will always go with the
man he trusts That's why Foster win with Sam Kaine
as his captain. I would have a problem with Ardie
Savia captain per se, but it's a question of whether
the coach is fully in sync with him, so I
don't think the captaincy is a major issue. Barrett's place
as the starting lock is not in question, So yeah,
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those sort of questions are more just a retaliation to
the fact that the Albeck's discipline hasn't been what it.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Should and was a pretty average final game. I think
that the All Blacks one on the scoreboard, but Italy
won the night in my personal opinion. Let's leave things
Campbell burns with this areas of weakness. Where is the
tender underbelly position wise for this All Black team? If
you were to ring alarm bells, where would you be
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ringing them?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Well?
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Probably sheer combination of that ten, twelve, thirteen Jordi Barrett's
the best twelve, but who should be going at ten
more and might fill that hole? Azrico? Are you only
the best center? Shannon Frazell could come back and definitely
fill that number six position, but I think some Apenny
fee now has a future there as well. So those
three positions perhaps the right wing, so three or four there.
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I think the type five is looking pretty promising, but
I wouldn't say there are necessarily areas of weakness, but
those are areas of concern as far as making the
whole part work in the all backs and generally speaking
the Fords are looking pretty good. We just need to
nail down that blindside flanker position and I think Frazell
could be the man coming back to do that, and
then if Ritchie Mongan comes back, I think the rest
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of it will flow from there.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
The right call is your call on eight hundred eighty
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News Talk Zibby.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
If Richie Muwanga comes back, that was Campbell Burns for
summer on first five eight As it happens, also editor
of Nezeland Rugby News, taking a look at the goods
and bads, the indifference in the uglies of Scott Robertson's
first year in charge of the All Blacks, and questioning
World Rugby selection of the Team of the Year at
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first five eighth Damien McKenzie nineteen minutes after seven lines
are open on eight hundred eighty ten eighty nice and simple.
Is he the best first five eighth in world rugby?
But if you text already say you know Richie Mwoga,
you Richie Wong is not playing in world rugby right now,
is playing in Japanese League rugby. It's not even close
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to world rugby. Why it's a nice place to cash
in a retirement check and he may well come back.
Campbell's been saying mcnations around trying to attract him back
into the side, but he's not there now right so
he doesn't count. So we look right across all the
nations and you choose you believe to be the best
(12:29):
first five eighth. Very interested to know where that leans
because I've got a distinct feelings talking with producer Andy Duffy,
Andy that maybe New Zealanders almost jaundice against Damien McKenzie.
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He started what was at the first eight Test matches
of the season. I mean he was the go to
first five eight, He was the first choice. Bowden Barrett
rolled and later on in the piece he also pulled out.
If you're basically on a one performance, Amy McKenzie a
cracker of a game against Ireland. Have we got blinkers
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on when it comes to Damien McKenzie, Can we maybe
not see what he brings and how good he actually
is because we're pining for the Fjords and we're pining
for the likes of Boden Barrett in his glory days
or a Ritchie Wonger. Now go back to Dan Carter.
That's ancient history. So I wonder who you go with there?
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I mean names that were thrown up Crowley and Finn
Russell and and Marcus Smith. Are they really better Andreke Pollard?
He's five hundred years old, But here is a player
for it. Who would you like to have in that
crunch position? Who would you like to have? Who for
you is the best first five eighth in the world?
And are we jaundice around Damien McKenzie, Like I'll put
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my hand up and say I've hardly been covering him
in glory and compliments right from the get go. Still
have a small problem around trust when it gets rough
and when it gets tough? Does he actually have a
stern enough makeup to deal with that? And maybe in
time he will? And I think what it showed us
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against Ireland is that he is actually capable. Maybe short
shut shrift, let me know oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is Damien McKenzie the best first five eighth
in global rugby currently playing international test rugby. He isn't.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Who is.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
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Speaker 1 (14:52):
We've got the breakdown on sports Talk call oh eight
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Speaker 2 (15:07):
Loveless track. Unfortunately, if you're in the music industry and
you release as a New Zealander, any song with a
word run in it veriably gets hijacked by the All
Blacks and sky TV Soviet tanks. The song quite frankly
twenty five past seven SportsTalk on news Talks eb ten
(15:27):
eighty is Damien McKenzie the best first five eight in
the world. Have we got something wrong? We jawned us
that we we aren't happy with what he provides World
Rugby say now, I'm not saying that World Rugby no
at all, and the way they run the game, they
certainly don't. But they've nominated him as their player of
the year in that position to key position. He deserved that,
(15:49):
and then he doesn't. Who does good a Shannon, how
are you?
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Yeah, good mate, how are you.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Happy as a clam mate? What's on your mind?
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Yeah, Damien McKenzie is an All Black. Has frustrated me
a hell of a you know, there's those clutch moments
that even going back to twenty eighteen South Africa Wellington
where he just he just killed our attack and we
(16:21):
could have won that game. And that was the first
time that South Africa beat the All Blacks in Wellington
in nine years. You know, so sometimes you have to
wear you have to wear that, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Do you think though, with experiences like that, I'm going
to be defensive of the guy because I've been critical
of him. But when a guy like that makes those
mistakes and then he starts taking the role on full
time and learning from those, does he developed Has he
shown signs of developments not being of the line for.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
Him, Well, no, he's no, he hasn't made in my opinion,
because he's been in the All Blacks setup for twenty eighteen.
I mean we're in twenty twenty four now, so he's
been in professional rugby for a long time.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
And you know, even.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
You know, just drop all stupid texts and and boat
emeric can go to that as well.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Wow, World Player of the Year two times running. You're
a harsh task master sent.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Yeah, well we're comparing them to Dan Carter, aren't we.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Do you think maybe we should build that bridge, just
get over it and run away, then burn it back
down because that's a long time ago.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Yeah, but that's the standard that we've come to. We
expect vehicles, is that the the cream wars rises to
the top. Right, I don't think we've got a right
I don't.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Just before we take the next course, and thanks so
much for engaging. Who was the best first five eighth
in international rugby?
Speaker 6 (17:59):
Right now? Paula?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I mentioned Paula before. He's getting on a wee bit,
but it's as solemn as you like.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
He's still the best.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Thanks very much for joining the show. H one hundred
and eighty ten eighty agree disagree? Climb on board, but
up to hear from your high Adrian?
Speaker 8 (18:20):
Hello mate, how not so bad?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Where are you on? One?
Speaker 8 (18:23):
Oh? Look, look, look, I'm an ex league player all right,
and I love the rugby. I'll watch it as well.
You know not they're biased about it, but I played
a senior league in Auckland, in my prime. I'm eighty
years old now to play for I played for City
Newton way back. I think we won the premiership in
(18:45):
nineteen sixty six, but the club struggled with junior players.
You know, to make a full compliment of the teams.
But look, I've watched Damen Mackenzie. I think he's a
better league player than he is a rugby player. And
the previous caller that said Dan Carter. Yes, but a
(19:06):
totally different era, totally different time, totally different fitness regime
and all the other countries in the world have stepped
up and it's made it much much more difficult for
players like Mackenzie. But people forget I've watched I think
he was a who have played down country for the Chiefs,
(19:29):
didn't he? I think? And I've watched a lot of
his games, and when he's magic, he's quite magic. And Okay,
he makes a few blunders and everything else, but I
reckon that, you know, for the break that he makes
and the things that he does, there's not a lot
around like him that can do what he can do.
(19:52):
Everybody makes little mistakes and things like that, but you
can't knock him for that. How many times has he
created something that's learned that complimented the team and progressed
to a try.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Well, that's the balance you got to find, isn't it.
Agent You're going to find out there will always be bad,
but there'll always be good. What dominates, what dominates?
Speaker 8 (20:14):
And as kiwis and I'm one, we we focus more
on the on the negative side of things. Sometimes fans
do that.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Come on, man, they all do that.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
Of course they do. You know, everybody does that on
the first to admit that. But give the guy go.
I know he's you know, been around for a while,
but I still think for that position he deserves the
credit for what for what he plays, you know, But
as I said, he'd be a hell of a good
(20:49):
league player because of the breaks that he makes and
the tries that he sets up. You know.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Great to hear you on the program. Adrian was the
sitting eating dragons.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
Wasn't it sitting? No? Just yes, I think they call
them the dragons in the end. But I played in
nineteen sixty three, sixty four and sixty six was the
year we won the premiership. But we had great players
like Ron Eckland Race and Reach Cook, Dougie Lwood excuses.
We had a mighty team in those years.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
You know, mighty. Indeed, Hey, Adrian, thanks very much for
calling three. Really appreciate it. I get this dragon doesn't.
I'll keep wanting to say the sitting in bombers, But
that's some mad band I think from an era away gone. AnyWho, Adrian,
thanks very much for your time. Let's move along to
Nick good evening.
Speaker 9 (21:41):
Yeah you go here, going good.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
What's on your mind?
Speaker 8 (21:45):
Well?
Speaker 9 (21:46):
I think, first of all, Pollard's probably is the best
current first five running around because it just drives that
South African backline and controls that four pair quite well.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
That's his job.
Speaker 9 (21:57):
I don't think he does a good job. I think
it's just it's consistency is probably what will give him
the best the top spot. But well, our boy, I
keep on looking to watch him, and I keep on
thinking about Carlos Spencer, and that's just it does my
head because I never like Carlos. He just wasn't consistent enough.
(22:17):
And that's why I Stephen McKenzie it was I'm like,
I watch I again, I here we go again, and
I watched the game. I go, that's Carlos, because that's
that's what can be referring back to whether it's the
right thing to do.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (22:30):
I know, it's a different error, it's a different time.
But I think that his style a game, he just
hasn't got that consistency and it is the same as Spencer.
So that's kind of where I come come down with him.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
When you look at a game like the Irish game
and the huge effect that he had on that game,
does that suggest to you that there is more promise
and he has learned from some of his play and
this was maybe someone for the future beause we're not
sure that we're going to get Richie Moore back again.
Speaker 9 (23:01):
So we've got a problem there. We've got a big
problem because if we're on I'm going to come back,
he's about a year or two removed, and I don't
know if he's going to be the same. He's playing
Japanese rugby. It's a bit, a bit of a holiday.
It's it's I think we've got a problem that in
the inside backs. I mean, I like the halfbag they
got their boy friend Willington, but I don't know. I
(23:24):
haven't got the answer, obviously, I'm not. Yeah, I just
don't have the answer. I don't know who is going
to come through. But I don't know IF's going to
Wong it's going to be the right answer either. I
just don't know if McKinsey's going to learn. He's been
right for a while now.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
You know.
Speaker 9 (23:38):
And he does have good games and he can control buddies.
He goes off the board, he goes missing, get a
bit of walk about and yeah, I don't know. That's
the corner where I am. So I put him in
the I put him in the Carlo Spencer League. It's
just you know, watch.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Nick good only mate. Thanks very much for your call.
You have comparisons to Carlos Spence. Probably fair, isn't it
that mercurial is the word they use up and down
like the plane.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
It's good mark, There you go.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
So what was your review on the year with Razor?
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Then?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I thought for me it was probably too conservative. He
was probably not releasing everything was. He wanted to have
a very careful step into that role, which had a
lot of people I think were gunning for him. So
I think he could have done better with some of
his selections. He could have been brave with some of
(24:35):
the selections. Nice to see they overturned an issue that
they had bit sad in the fact that the team
couldn't score at the end, and this is something All
Blacks used to do and that I question and it
puzzled me. So if you're doing a rating of the year,
I'll probably say, probably say seven that there's so much
more work to be done. It's year one though, and
(24:56):
he knows it right.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
That's right, you know, And it was. It was a
seventy winning ratio through the year. I think Romance so
African coach this this year was below that. So considering
the losses that we've had, White Light Smith, Malanga, Frasel
Dane Coles is five. It's been a pretty good year. Really,
(25:24):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Think sevens if you want to give it a mark
a failure. Wouldn't call it a failure to year, but
there's a number of areas where you think, well that
that could have been better. It wasn't particularly all Black,
but I think he was conservative in the way he
went about his business. There were signs mark of brilliance,
but not only enough.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
One and that hadn't come yet. But that will come,
you know, that will come. You know, this is a
new coaching era. You know, the last fifteen years have
Henry Hanson Foster.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
So it's also something about Robertson is that it's a
very new era in the fact that Darren Shand is
no longer there as well. I think we underestimate what
Shandy did for that All Black team as the manager.
Now he's walked a lot of the deep structure within
the support crew around the All Blacks is fragmented somewhat.
That makes things quite difficult.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
Well, yeah, you don't know. I mean, did Shand have
a mortgage on that job? Awey, bit too long? Some
say you, Some say no, So you needed to be
a whole, whole soul change.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Well, I don't we know who they're going to judge him, Mark,
We're going to judge him on a World Cup coming
up in a few years time, and that's it. That's
how we judge our All Black time. And I you know,
we all know we'll watch this team long enough. The
old horrible crutch that the All Blacks used to have brilliant, unmatchable, superb,
(26:51):
superlative up until the World Cup year and then it
was all wide. As long as the World Cup is secured,
I don't mind how much messing around they do in
the in between, don't they please try and know when
more than you lose seventy five? That's good, win the
World Cup, that's it. And I would love to applaud
(27:15):
Ian Foster for winning the World Cup and putting a
finger at ends at Au, but he didn't do it. Sorry,
that's what I know. It was only one point andy,
but still one point less. That's he's still lost, still lost,
should have won? Still lost? Will we end up saying
the same thing about Robinson? Possibly still lost? Seven thirty seven.
(27:40):
This is News Talk a z B Coming up next,
Bevan Jacobs. You had no idea who he was when
you wake up this morning? Did untill he opened the
paper and went who what? Where is new recruit into
the IPL? It's only sixty grand, but sixty grand? I
haven't got no international cricket experience behind him. That therea
(28:02):
is IPL player. Wonderful story, Jacobs joins.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Usn't it's the film hands.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
For one good and help talking about that after hearing
this evening and Darcy Audergrave Mumbai Indians bat that sounds
so cool. He's actually played for the Canterbury side and
now is an Auckland Aces player playing in the New
(28:41):
Zealand Domestic League Bevan John Jacobs or Bevan Jacobs. I
believe he refers to or prefers to be referred to
as he joins us now after he picked up in
the ipl ox overnight sixty grand no international experience, but
he threw his name into the hat and buya, he's
(29:03):
got himself a new job. Crazy story, even Jacobs, Welcome
to the show mate.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Thanks for having me very much, Darcy, how are you?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
You're good? When I wake up this morning and saw
this character Bevan John Jacobs, which is you know your
full name? I thought, how on earth is this just
signed to play cricket in the IPL and I expect
quite a few people thought the same thing. Were you
as surprised as we were to sign up?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Definitely was? Yeah, I'm sure quite a few people were
that reaction, as did I this morning. I definitely, you know,
had about a million messages on my phone that I
woke up to and it was the least thing I
was expecting to see when I woke up. But obviously
a pleasant surprise as it.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Was ridiculously pleasant because really, in your wildest dreams, when
you threw your name in your hat. You weren't thinking
you were going to pick up a contract with the IPL.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Or were you? No, No, not at all. I mean
it was it was a bit of a last minute
decision and just for it to turn out the way
that it did, obviously, I'm quite glad that it happened,
and had some good people around me that pushed me
in that right direction. So yeah, it was. It was
pretty awesome. It's pretty pretty surreal. It probably hasn't fully
hit me just yet.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
So why did you do it? What was your drive?
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I just, you know, I had a lot of people
around me, just you know, kind of telling me that
it said something. You know, you're not going to really
lose out on anything, and I thought, you know, it's
probably not a bad point, you know, so you put
your name in the hat and you never know what
might happen, and you don't really think it's going to
happen until it does. So yeah, it was. It was
just pretty pretty special and something I wasn't expecting. But yeah,
I'll definitely take it with both hands and see what happens.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Nothing ventured, nothing gained, As they say, I don't want
to predict the future, because that'd be insane. But I'll
have a crack anyway because thus broadcast as we can't
help ourselves. Is there a thought that maybe you might
end up becoming a T twenty mercenary, never getting an
international cap, and just spending your cricketing career tour and
run the world playing in these leagues that thought crossed
(31:01):
your mind.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Bevin, Not exactly. I certainly hope it doesn't turn out
to be just that. I think, you know, playing for
New Zealand has been a dream of mine since since
I was a kid in as early as I can remember,
you know, growing up in Auckland and playing all that
cricket here and just wanting that to be wanting that
(31:21):
to be the end goal, you know. So I think
that's always something that I'm going to try and aspire
and work towards. You know. Obviously, with this this IPL situation,
it's a it's an added bonus. But I do think that,
you know, playing for New Zealand and representing the Furners
is going to be any any young lad's main goal
when they're growing up. So I think that's still going
to be the priority.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Good I consider myself put in my corner where I'm
supposed to be with that, we're joined by Bevan John
Jacobs or Bevan Jacobs. Just to make things simple, that's
your rather role, isn't it, Bevan.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yeah, that's it's just to make it a little bit short,
a little bit easier.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Tell us about the way you bat. I've heard people
say that you hit a very heavy ball. The noise
of the leather off the willow is something to behold,
but you'd do it with ease. I suppose it's hard
to talk yourself up, but how would you describe yourself
as a bat? What do you bring to the wicket?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Bevin? I'm happy to hear that's that's what's being said.
I mean, I definitely do try and hit the ball hard.
And I guess the role that I've been put in
in the T twenty format that I've been playing it
lately is just to come come in and try and
create some sort of impact. I guess that's that's kind
of the main role, just to be that impact player.
(32:34):
Can you can you hit from ball one if the
team requires that sort of thing. So I think that's
just the type of player that you know, I can
I can try and be and that's what's that's what's
going to get me into the team at this stage.
Obviously as a player, I want to continue to develop
and get better, but yeah, just trying to provide as
much X factor as I can is probably the way
(32:54):
I described the batting at the moment.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
We do you like to play? Are you traditional? Do
you like to play in the v Does it go
along the ground or you just jump up the wicket
and smash it wherever you possibly can describe your style
for us BEVN.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Oh, well I would. I would like to think that
I can definitely be more traditional bat if the if
the situation calls upon it, and just kind of build
from there. So yeah, I think I think it's trying
to find a good balance between both of them. But
you know, being being a top order batsman that can
hit the ball hard when the team needs it, it's
probably the long term goal and the dream one day,
(33:27):
so I'll probably just keep working towards that.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
What's your favorite shot?
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Oh, that's a tough one. It's a loaded question on
the dot. I think when the when the when the
pull shot comes off right, that's pretty tough to beat.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
It.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Fantastic Bevin Jacobs joins us signed up to the IPL.
So if you had any communication with the meat, do
you know exactly what you're doing, what the process, what
the steps are from now?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Not too much directly. I think it's pretty fresh that
everything's happened at the moment. I think, you know, there's
a lot of messages on my phone that I still
left to sort through, so I'll make sure i'll get
on to all of that tonight. But I'm just really
excited to just see where leeds. So I'll be waiting
eagerly on the phone and seeing what sort of information
I can get.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Now. I'm sure that people will want to talk about
money you've signed up for. I think sixty thousand bucks.
Is that there's no pro rider anymore unless you get injured.
That that's the money you're going to get, regardless of
whether you play or not, whether you're selected or not.
Is that how it works?
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Ben?
Speaker 3 (34:28):
I would be lying if I was like, I've got
no one hundred percent guarantee of how all of that works,
to be honest, So all I did was really put
my name in the hat and then my name got
pulled out. So I think I'm trying to learn all
of this as quickly as everyone else's which might be surprising,
but it's yeah, I wouldn't be able to tell you
(34:50):
with all honesty.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Even we always want honesty. Thank you very much for that.
Now you're off to your Mumbai. You've got the sant
Na Claus, Mitchell San and lovely Trenty with you in
the side there. It's got to give you some strength.
They have a couple of KII blokes in there just
to guy you through.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean I'm just going to
be going over there and trying to pick their brains
and learn as much as I can and absorb as
much information as I can during the time that I'm
there with with all of those world class players. So
I think it's a pretty special opportunity, regardless of playtime,
just to just to be able to try and develop
as much as I can as a cricketer.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
And talking about your T twenty exploits, when you went
down to Canterbury you went down there for school, didn't
you went down there for university. You had the ground running,
didn't you. You managed to flog a couple of pretty
beginnings and in no time at all was that genuinely
expected from you. Did you have that style of play,
that form as you moved down to Canterbury to I
(35:47):
suppose school and generate your cricketing career.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
I mean, I guess that's always where you know, you
want to have that confidence and backing yourself to be
able to do it. But I guess you never really
know until it happens. So it was, you know, when
I came away with a few, it was it was
a pleasant surprise. You kind of get that resturance that
I like, that's nice, I can actually like, you know,
I can perform at this level and stuff, and I
think just building it from there. And when I was
(36:11):
down there, had a really clear role and a good
team and good coaches around me to help make that
even clearer and so that allowed me to perform pretty well.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
And you played a bit of cricket with one of
the new big things in New Zealand cricket, oh Rourke.
You've got a relationship with him because he's hit the
ground running, isn't he.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, he's a phenomenal player. I remember him being an
absolute nightmare to face in junior cricket and in the
nets of Canterbury. So I'm really happy for everything that's
going well with him. He absolutely deserves it and he's
a heck of a black as well as a great cricketer.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
So you moved up to Auckland, you're going to carry
on your first class career up here before you disappear
off over to India. Watson your immediate cross, he is,
what have you got coming up?
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Well, we've got a plunket sheel game against Canterbury on Thursday,
so I think that's that's the main focus for me
and obviously the entire squad. So obviously this ip on
news is something awesome and it's pretty special, but I
just want to keep the you know, keep your head
down and keep working on what's what's directly ahead of you.
So I think trying to put my best foot forward
for Auckland is still going to be the main focus.
(37:17):
Still got a lot of the season left, so yeah,
I think the IPL is pretty special, but got some
other things to focus on.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
First, twenty two years old, nine t twinies in the
Super Smash one hundred and thirty four runs at thirty
three and a half of the strike rate of one
hundred and eighty eight. I'd pick your two mate and
one last thing, now that you're actually in the spotlight,
how do you deal with that? Because I'm sure that
you've been as you see the phone's being going, that's
(37:43):
the media would have been harassing you. Is that a
space you're looking forward to sitting in?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Well, I guess it's it's It's a different sort of challenge, isn't.
It's something I haven't quite dealt with yet. But I mean,
I've got I've got a good support group around me,
and I've got, you know, a lot of a lot
of good mates in the team and good coaches and
just pick good people around me. So I think that
sort of thing, if you know, it can be it
can be a confronting matter. But I think I've got
a lot of people around me that I can talk
(38:10):
to and go to. So I think just trying to
follow my same processes and go about each day as
normal is going to be the best way for me
to try and battle anything that any sort of issue
that arises. And that Bevin.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Jacob's congratulations, thanks very much for joining us. And if
as you are going to work out how they're going
to pay you, because if they get any wind of
that mate, you might not get anything. Hey, thanks for
your time.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
You go well, mate, Thanks very much, have a good one.
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