November 28, 2024 • 39 mins
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Andrew Alderson - NZME Cricket Commentator
Shane Bond - Former Blackcap
Brett Lee - Former Australian fast bowler - On Australia's shock defeat to India.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Waldegrave
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
It is summer started, It's official, it is done. Where
in Yeskawa are starting to come out, it's getting warmer,
the sun's lasting longer, and Test cricket has landed. Day
one of the first Tests between England and New Zealand
play christ Church the magnificent Hagley Oval, and that is
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where our focus lies. At the start of the program,
good eating to you all. Seven minutes after seven it
is on Thursday twenty eighth of November twenty twenty four.
We'll catch up with things Ordison, our reporter from a
n z em who's been at the ground all day,
and we'll also have a chat with former New Zealander
Black Caps quick mister Shane Bond and his reckons around
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the first day's play. Toward the end of the program
with Karen with cricket. But nothing to do that much
with this Test match, but a lot to do with
what has happened in the recent past. Former Australian fast
bowler Brett Lee joins us on at News Talk ZB
to look at what happened to Australia. What happened to
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India initially? Where did New Zealand sit in the pecking
order right now? Brettley coming up toward the end, Andrew
Ordison up next and Shame Bond as well. It's all
about nasty fasties. I'm sure Andrew would love me telling
him he's a nasty FASTI here on news talk Z
before that, though, let's try some of this sport today
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and in sports today aside the cricket are lots of
topic and changing for the Breakers ahead of tonight's NBL
fixed against the Illawarra Hawks at their place. King and
Darling will return from injury, but Lopez and Bolden are
outton as a dodgy caff and Lopez, returning from international
duties with Mexico, needs a bit of cotton wool. According
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to coach Petrie Copenhen second game he didn't play.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
He got some kind of small injury but letter day
hope it's not too serious.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
But it's kind of like their long travel and the
time waste. This would be impossible maybe to play in
that game.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Former Crusader and all the assistant coach Brad Moore has
made his way back home get signed on as assistant
for the team to work with Robert Penny and Matt Todd.
Does he have eyes though on their head coaching role
in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I don't think taking any any role to look forward
to what may come next is a valuable position to
be an at all.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I don't think that's the right mindset whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Now probably not. But you're gonna do it, aren't you?
Just say yes?
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Augland FC are trying to keep their focus in check.
Sell out looms for the next Kiwi A League dub
against the one Carom Phoenix now the former volcano called
Arara pongin out Go Media Stadium is close to putting
up the full house signs. However, Black Knight's coach Steve
Coracas says they will not get carried away yet to.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
Show how big the derby's already been after the first
game and that's one to obviously look forward to.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
But when we got one game before that, to make
sure that we get maximum points there to continue our run.
Two New Zealand teams at the top of the table
and as he competent Ah and Golfer Bryson's shambo is
showing off after one hundred and thirty four attempts, he's
finally hit a hole in one over his Texas mansion.
It was the fourteenth shot on day sixteenth of trying
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and he finally got it done. I could do it
be good. Okay, that's lovely and that's I suppose you
could pay for the windows that he'll break attempting that well,
they might just go straight over it as opposed to
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straight through his mansion. Right, Let's get on to test
cricket now, day one of the first tests. Hagley over
between the visiting English and New Zealand. Andrew Oldison in
JB ME cricket commentator, a ficionado of what is a
beautiful game, joins us now to recap on the day evening. Mate.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Thanks to us, we've seen a pretty even dual headed
I must say, between New Zealand and England. Of course
England winning the toss sending New Zealand in by thoughts
and you see it have better with some real the
plumb across the day, and that a lot of the
credit that I think has to go to Tom Lathan
leading their way on his home ground. He's led it
here before, but this time he's in the official capacity.
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As captain and his forty seven or fifty four boars,
and it was just positive intent. And I know he
didn't get to the fifty or moving on to one hundred,
but I thought that was just a significant As the
day has.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Evolved when you think about it, though, Andrew had failed
to go on and there is a case right the
way through the side. So you can say it's respectable
because it is in the three hundreds at the end
of the day. Absolutely, but don't you feel like maybe
there's a couple of tricks just being missed there with
the conditions. And I suppose Basher, Look, he's picked up
a handful of wickets, but they're all pretty bum wickets
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went they am I being too cruel here? I think
a touch here, I'm really into that later.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
So I just think that with the venom that's normally
on the show here, and I don't think the pitch
has quite that venom that's had in the past here,
perhaps a Hagio more of Pistacio Hugh when we got
here to day rather than the Emerald machine we've been
accustomed to. But I thought that was a decent knock
and it paved the way for Williamson to get established.
He didn't literally go on beyond that ninety three as
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it started to get baked well with a thirty degree
sun here in Canterbury today, but also had that sort
of kiln drying it out with the northwester going through
as well. So basically batting conditions are only going to
get better over the next two or three.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Andrew wasn't criticizing Latham, Don't get me wrong, because Latham
was a great innings, a great way to start, very aggressive.
But when you look right the way through the innings,
I think there were there were too many lost opportunities,
a lot of starts, not a lot of finishes, and
some pretty some pretty mud wickets. I got to say
as far as dismissals are concerned, and I've been crawling now.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
No, Well, I think one of the key ones for
me was Ravendra. There's there's thirty four runs when you
know the New zeal have established themselves in the ends
and it was a hyke across to short mod wicket
and then you know he has established himself well. So
I thought that was a key case in point. I
mean he saw goom Phillips has made a decent contribution
and also he met Henry being able to sort of
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help the tail wag. Unfortunately Nathan Smith that was a
touch soft as well. If you want to talk soft dismissals,
just nudging a catch to short leg on three.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
On his debut.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
So I think he would be disappointed with that. But
I quite like the tolling and frying if you like
between that. Both sides are over the course of that.
I think at the end of the day, I mean
Danie's dealing with a score over three hundred, I would
be happy with that.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
What about the position of the bats, I'm just going
to wail in because I can. But when you look
at Blundele, it's not having a great time of it.
It's wicket keeper batsman, not batsman wicket keep. What on
earth is Phillips doing and coming in behind him? Surely
that's that's a problem that needs to be adjusted. Tweaked
looked at possibly Andrew.
Speaker 7 (07:37):
Yeah, I would switch those two around.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
And I mean Blundell has has had success at number
six and back to that twenty twenty two too, where
here and Mitchell had that extraordinary series of partnerships in
England against this opposition, some of them still here, but
I think there's certainly an argument for that to switch
those two around. But I think Blundell's glove work is
pretty solid by and large, so therefore that's, as you say,
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it's his prime reason for being in the team. But yeah,
he'll he was not an awful lot of competition trying
to force him out at the stage, so he will
need to address that though.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, I don't think that he's not a good wicket keeper.
I think he does well, but I say wicket keeper batsman.
It's not the other way around. He's a wikekeeper first
and foremost. You've got to look at a guy like
Phillips and go, why aren't you coming in ahead of him?
Because he's got that there's an electricity about what he brings.
So when you take all of this into account and
what the English are going to be chasing down, you
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said we should be happy, they're probably happy. Is it
a case of even Stevens on the first day.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Absolutely, that's that's the case I'm making. I think it's
it's just an even duel across the course of the day. Really,
I mean, you still have got back into it a
fairly strong way with Williamson at the wicket with with
Williamson and Ravendra and then you know even later on
with Phillips as well. But England have still been just
chipping away throughout. So I think that there is a
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case for both teams. It's been a great day's cricket
really in the full sun here in Canterbury, full crowd
and people just really absorbing, absorbing the fixture, and I
think it's really helped to make it a terrific spectacle.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Sussy.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
And if I know Andrew Orison is a full tummy
as well, he would have spent far too much time
at the buffet, which is understandable because they put on
a great feed at lunch and all cricket matches. Let's
get away, Oh incidental. He was three hundred and nineteen
for eight the end of the day's play three nineteen
for eight. They were one hundred and ninety nine four
three at one stage, so you go, wow, could have
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done better anyway. Not about me, It's about Shane Bond.
He knows more than a few things about the wonderful
game of cricket and we'll join him now with a
summary of the day's plague through the eyes of an
international cricket and a former fast bowler. Shane, Hello to you,
So how did you find Day one?
Speaker 8 (09:59):
I loved it. It was a great day's cricket.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I think we got what was expected to whoever was
won of the toss. It's gonna have a bowl average
score in the day at Hagley.
Speaker 8 (10:08):
So I think the first day is three oh nine
for eight. You know, New Zealand are sitting around there
somewhere and you know ebbed and flowed. Williamson got runs.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
The spinner got wickets, which was a little bit strange,
but all in all from a viewer's perspective, you know,
the day went really fast. I think the only disappointing
factor for me is there's there only eighty three overs
bowld even.
Speaker 8 (10:28):
Though we had twenty overs spin.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
So I'm really excited about the Test match tomorrow, the
day leading in tomorrow, and I think it's it's going
to be a continuou even flow Test series.
Speaker 8 (10:40):
I think these two teams are really easily matched.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Mindy, let's look at that over ray because this is
a source of constant annoyance to spectators, to broadcast to
pretty much everyone except the guys bowling. What happens. Now
do they get a slap around the knuckles, do they
get a well what happens? Because I get a feeling
they're going to get away with it and do we
no punishment?
Speaker 8 (11:01):
This is wrong, right, that's mate?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I think you know, I think you look at it
Australia in the first cycle of the World Test Championship,
it's customer spot. In the final they got doped points.
I mean England are out of the running, so they're
not going to have that problem. What they may have
is their captain suspended. If you know, if this is
a pattern through the through the through the series, it's
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really hard.
Speaker 8 (11:27):
The drs and the review slows it down.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
We had, you know, foot mark issues in the morning
and then when you watch a drinks break and there
you know there are three and three in a day.
They seem to take five to seven minutes, so you're
you're always going to have a.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
Six and a half our day. So I don't know
what the what the thing is. I think the fines
and the points production to final, I.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Think you'd have to think about removing the drinks break perhaps,
if you know, you just got to go with with
people running out drinks to the playoffs. That will probably
save three overs, but the pace of play is probably
one of the things that's really letting Test cricket down.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Shane Bond joining us, Let's take a look at what
happened to actually on the day as far as the
crookeet is concerned. Bashi really make all those wickets or
was he just gifted them?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I think it was a combination of some loose shot plays,
some good bowling, some good feel and good captaincy from Stokes.
I thought, you know, he was a little bit inconsistent
to start with the share and I think he got
the sense that revengder In particularly wanted to get after
him to try and put pressure on understanding that if
she didn't bowl twenty overs now the England bowlers would
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have seen as would have been pretty cooked.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
But you know, and then the end he sort of.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Gifted his wicket away and I thought as the day
wore on, the sheer got better and Stokes switched the
ends to Matt Henry at the end to have him
hitting into the wind to get that last time. So
I thought, Stokes, you know, there's a lot of talk
about Ben and his proactiveness and I think he did that,
and it's one of the traits of the McCullum Stokes
eras to back young players.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
You know, it's twenty one.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I think they see him as having a huge amount
of upside and the only way he's going to get
better is to continue to play him in different conditions.
And you know, I think they reaped a little bit
of that reward today. I thought, you know, for a
spinner to get four wickets Day one on Hagley was
a pretty good.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Effort when you look at what the English seamers presented.
Is there anything that the New Zealand seemans can take
from that when they eventually get the ball, whenever that
may be.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
You know, I think may tomorrow, when New zeal And
get the new ball, it's going to seem around so
they dore's a lot of talk about a new ball.
It's a new ball wicket and I definitely feel it
there's opportunities in the first twenty over as if you
bowl well to have a team three or four wickets down.
New Zealand won't have to deal with the footmark, so
that'll make a difference. I think then what they did
is they used the wind smartly, they had sort of
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a seama or the spinner like Wokes, and the spinner's
running into the wind, just going into sort of more
of a.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
Holding pattern, semi defensive fields.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Looking to go two or three and over and then
down when they use the short ball effectively after tea.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
And it's not an.
Speaker 8 (13:59):
Easy wicket to play the short ball on.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
There's big boundaries, it's a little bit tennis ball bounce,
so even though you could still go up four and over,
it feels like you're taking risks to do it. So
I think you'll see those tactics employed by New Zealand tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Should anyone with the bat be disappointed at their contribution,
there are plenty of starts and you know, just sort
of a thefty for the cat and just sort of
a ton would have been as what thirty third ton
for Caine Williamson. They could probably be slightly aggrieved that
out of the rest of them who cover themselves in glory,
you didn't.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I think there was enough in the wicket that you're
probably never really in. I thought Latham would have been disappointed.
He seemed to rattle along to forty seven and it
sort of almost felt like he was getting a batting
at a tempo that was a not that he had.
Speaker 8 (14:46):
To because they were dishing some stuff up.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
But he'll be disappointed with that. I think he was
set for a huge score. And that's the thing with
all the New New Zealand batsmen. They got starts. But
that's the way of Test Crickett. There is that tendency
to want to put pressure on bowlers to score at
a high tempo and with that comes a little bit
of risk and you saw that with Mitchell. You know,
he's a good player of the short ball, but with
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the field that was set now he's prepared to play
the shot and get out. And I suppose that New
Zealand look through that batting card. They'll see a whole
lot of starts. They'll see partnerships between sort of forty
and seventy, but nothing that was a real game changer.
But the tempo of the innings, you know, tout three
undred and twenty runs off New Zealand can clock on
another fifty tomorrow.
Speaker 8 (15:28):
You would say that three.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Seventies, you know, not a bad first effort when you've
been put in.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, being critical because we're the media, we can't help ourselves.
Why one hundred and ninety nine for three to be
three nineteen ver eight's that had stick in your crawl,
wouldn't it overnight before we went to sleep?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yeah, I think New Zealand or will will feel like
they've missed an opportunity.
Speaker 8 (15:47):
I think that they would have felt like that the three.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Twenty runs, which was probably fair, but they'd love to
be five down and feeling that they could kick on
to four twenty maybe four point thirty. You know tomorrow
with that new ball, you would.
Speaker 8 (16:01):
Expect some movement.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
So I don't know how long the New Zealand line
up will hang around for. And then that first out
New Zealand with that bull's key because you know, England
score fast and if New Zealand can't make in roads,
it can also be challenging through sort of overs number
thirty to eighty.
Speaker 8 (16:16):
And there's no doubt England will play at a high tempo.
That's generally how they do it.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
So Yeah, even though sometimes you go, oh, we lost
the task and we you know, he got three twenty,
it's more like you said, as they had an opportunity
to really put the foot on the throat.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
And they missed out on that.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
We'll let you go shortly, Shane Bond. Just one last thing, Blundle.
We know he's great behind the stumps, he keeps very
very well. Does he still have a place sitting where
he does in the batting lineup? Surely Phillips should be
jumping a position. Surely.
Speaker 8 (16:48):
Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
You know, I don't mind Philip's betting one up. You know,
Blundle obviously has opened the batting for New Zealand, so
it sort of makes sense that you'd use them when
the ball is new and the second new.
Speaker 8 (17:00):
Ball if he came in.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
And I also think for Glenn Phillips to have someone
batting behind him too wouldn't be a bad thing. You know,
he's going to play aggressively. So look that you could
make an argument either way. I think you still I'll
be happy that Glenn Phillips is still there because he's
the sort of.
Speaker 8 (17:14):
Player who can score so quickly.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
At the end of the day, both of them have
just got to score runs, and I think that's the
one thing that Tommy Blundell, he'll he'll know that and
like Devin.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
Conway, that he's under a little bit of pressure. But
I'm sure the quality of player that he is he
will score runs in.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
The series sussy at twenty four after seven. Shane Bond,
commentating today on the Cricket of course, former international across
so one day is but more importantly Test matches as well,
with his summation of day one of the first Tests
between England and New Zealand. It's your turnout, Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty three for a number nationwide
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nine two nine two that is at ZEBZB. That's the
text line that all costumes the text to charge with
much Rather you called in though, with your thoughts, your
reaction to the first day of the first Test for me,
the official start of summer. I can pick three talking
points out of this. I would like you to pick
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a couple out of this as well. Where's your focus being?
How has the day worked out for you? Is there
a distinct advantage anywhere? Even Stevens like pretty much both
Andrew and Shane I didn't mention a lot to talk about.
For me my three talking points and be interested if
you believe it's the same thing we finished on one
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there with Shane Bond. Blundle is a wicket keeper batsman
wicket keeper first batsman, second wicket keeper batsman. We know
he can bat at the top.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Of the order.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
We know he's proficient with the blade. We know this,
but having him come in where he does at number six,
I think borderline insane. When you've got a guy like
Glenn Phillips, as Shane mentioned, you got Glenn Phillips, goes
in there and does what Glenn Phillips does, and his
backup the guy behind him is Blundle. Because he goes
in there and tries to hold inn things together. I
don't think that's right for a guy of his ability
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with the bats. That is issue number one is number two.
From what I can see from this Test match, New
Zealand had opportunity and they did not capitalize on that opportunity.
And I think that it sounds cruel. It sounds mean
I wasn't out there. I don't know. I'm quigby, but
being a longtime fan, I look at what was out
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there at one hundred and ninety nine to three and
then go to stumps at three hundred and nineteen for
eight to me on a drying, flattening pitch. With this
guy Bashia, I should stop calling him Basher. I can't
help myself. I keep thinking, I'm reading a bino magazine.
A it's a part time spinner with what average right
ninety six? I think it was it didn't even turn
the ball. That's disappointing.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
For me.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
That's disappointing. In the last issue, what do we do
about the overrate? What do we actually do about the overrate?
Makes no difference now of England get docked points because
they're out of the World Test Championship. What has to
happen and yet they're a mitigating factors? Big gear weaving
gear waving eight hundred and eighty ten eighty three points
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or even one point for you coming out of the
first day's play. For me is blundle in the right position?
Did we really make the most of the opportunity that
we had? I say we, I mean the black Caps,
not me? And what do we do about the slow overrate?
It's a blight on the game? Twenty seven minutes after
seven Your thoughts coming up next? One hundred eighty ten
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eighty and text nineteen ninety two WCB and Brentley's around
the Corner's way brit Lee as his news talks, heb
so take a look weekend. No need for the DMO.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
We've got the breakdown on Sports Talk cal Oh eight
hundred eighty News TALKB.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I say, I like crack An. I love that tacts
about as predictable as a commentator saying they could really
deal with a wicket now, No really, Yeah, it's a
great track, though let's face it now it's it's not
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quite the tune of summer. Let it mean more like
the lazy, easy days of cricket. Thing. I do, I do,
I do. I'm Darcy Watergrave. This is sports talk on
news Talk. Said be three issues from the day's play,
three issues that I have isolated as issues worth talking about.
I wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty overrates terrible? What
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do we do about that? It's cheating people out of viewing?
Speaker 9 (21:45):
Right?
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I was going to say we pay for the coverage,
but now that it's free to wear, so we don't
do we? But look, so be it. There's no punishment
meet it out yet, and there should be because it's annoying.
I don't think he's in on scored enough runs. They
had ample opportunity to do so. Are ninety nine for
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three transforms to two hundred and nineteen for eight pitch
wasn't doing anything. What do they say about tennis ball.
He bouncing, but a lot of those wickets were gifted
that were given away, especially bash year, he was asking
him to be punked all over the park. That's disappointing.
Like I may sound harsh and mean and miserable, I'm
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just telling you what I saw, telling you what I think,
and I'm convinced that Glenn Phillips is in the wrong position.
He needs to be batting one up. With all due
respect to Blundele who was an opening bat, absolutely, but
he's a wicket keeper batsman wicket keeper first, right, and
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he's gonna get on spent all day in the park
getting tired, and if he does that first before he
comes out to bat, not ideal. But the thing is,
as Shane Bond pointed out, a guy like Phillips needs
someone behind him. It's almost like the last fence before
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things fall apart. I don't know if that pressures the
right thing to put on a guy who's such a
free flowing batsman. I really don't. I'd like your thoughts
on that. O E one hundred and eighty ten eighty
On all three of those opinions, you may have an
opinion of your own. In fact, a few of them
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have been sent in overrates, schmover rates. We never see
a drawer after five days anymore, Which is which is
a fair point? Do I just like feeling robbed? Maybe
that's what it is? Well, I do live in west
Auckland on Nigela'll reply to your text shortly. First, I'll
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talk with Ben Guy, Ben, how are you?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
How you doing?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I'm very very happy. How about yourself?
Speaker 8 (24:04):
I'm happy.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I'm happy. It's Sonny in author today and it's a
good times. But it's once called about the cricket. Yeah, look,
I think par part day for New Zealand, to be honest,
runs wise. But I just wanted to comment on Tom Blundell.
What is he what's he doing in the team at
the moment. Yeah, well that's that that that That's exactly
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my point. And then so my my thought is why
not Will Young? Why not Will Young in there and
getting in a conway? Even Will Young behind the stumps?
I mean, that's out of out of pocket. But I
just don't know what Blundle is contributing to the team.
I saw watch him in India. He was bum bungling
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around there.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I think he's the best people we've got and I
don't think being you should underestimate the import of having
somebody who is capable behind the sticks. I think that's
hugely important.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
I think my my thought is weighing up the two
runs versus somebody behind the sticks. If we need more
runs against England, not not somebody better behind the stunts.
And I feel like, if you're going to take one
or the other in this series, it's going to be
the runs that are going to contribute to getting us
the series win. And I just I'm just so frustrated
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with Tom Bundle. I mean, he's a quality player when
he came in in Australia, phenomenal, but I just I
feel now is just lacking confidence and what I watch
him in India first two tests just really really tentative.
The last, the last test, he came out, played some
shots and he looked very confident, and I just, honestly,
I feel like it's gone on too long now. My
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thought is get get an inferior wicket keeper with for
more runs. Will Young was our best player in India
and I just just just frustrated.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
It's an interesting argument, Ben, I think that for me,
he was so important. You've seen in many situations where
apart I'm a light Stephen Conway, for example, made some
fundamental errors and short versions of the game that have
dearly cost the team because he's not quite a keeper.
So what's a wicket worth, what are the runs worth?
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And what are they actually there for? So that he's
not a batsman wicket keeper, he's a wicket keeper batsman.
It's a good discussion. I mean, thanks for bringing it up.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think in conditions too. I'm
in New Zealand, the boards you're going to seem around,
you're going to have the wicket keeper back from the
stumps a lot more than say in India, where you
need a quality wicket keeper, and there's no doubt Tom
Bundle's our best keeper. But I just think, you know,
I just think dropping Will Young, you know, And I
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don't know who would replace Bundle, but I just think
you just need another batsman in that top order for
us to hold it up. Because then if you had
your Cane, you've got ratching and you've got Will Young
in the middle order. Man, that's that's a solid, solid
lineup on your been.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Hey, thanks very much. For calling through with your opinion
of one hundred eighty ten eighty. Do the same if
you're seven thirty six high Allen. What's up?
Speaker 7 (27:16):
Yeah, good evening, Darcy. I don't know what you had
in the afternoon tea or so the early evening, but
you sort of come out so of like unhappy that
the black Caps are three hundred and nineteen for eight.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Well, well, I'm not Kaby, and just what I saw
us like they probably could have done better. I don't
think that's being mean or unfair. I think he's being honest, right.
Isn't that what you want from me?
Speaker 7 (27:42):
I would expect nothing less, Darcy. You know a guy
so okay. So I'm proud of Tom Latham. I'd just
like to say, thinking about it today, that guy was
he was in doubt, he was getting all his runs
in the subcontinent and he's really knuckled down. To me,
he's like an inspiration for all cricketers about hard work
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and technique and in his runs were important. Now, Devin Conway,
little story, Darcy will be real brief. Will Young got
injured early in his career. He played for Australia up
in New Zealand. A they played some late Winter games
in Australia Queensland Northern Territory, and the Australians have used
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most part of their attack star all those guys to
play against the New Zealand a side. Will Young got
two back to back centuries. He was a new phenomenon
and he got injured for a year or so. So
I would say Conway, no, he's gone bet. Will Young
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is an opener Blundele. You know the first person you
pick as your keeper, Darcy Well.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I don't pick international sides, Ellen, but think you pick
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
Alan.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
You make some great points and thanks very much for
ringing through with them. It's interesting around Devin Conway, isn't it?
And what he'scored. He loves seventeens. He's scored seventeen three
times in his last ten or so. When if he's
only average, like just under thirty and his last ten
eleven test matches, sorry in a ninety one on the
seventy six in there, but not the player that he
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was now. You cannot dump guys out of this team
based on that, because there's a guy like Young standing
in the sideline. I think the strength of this team
has always been in the fact hard to get in,
very hard to get out and the faith that the
select and the coach has in the players is a
very important part of what they bring to the park.
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But some players must be looking over their shoulders going
I wonder if the acts will fall and out of
that pressure do we get fantastic results or do they crumble?
And pressure can make people crumble. Look at it into
you what should laugh about it? That we're going to
talk about that next India. That is with Brett Lee,
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former Australian quick bowler now broadcaster for Fox. He joins
us do he talk boy Cricket era News talk Z
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Speaker 9 (30:19):
Cool no to see good flashes if you were standing so.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Seven forty three Brett Lee in his pump was quite
something else, lightning astonishing fast bowler in his error. He's
commentated now it works with Fox Sport. Kind enough to
join us here on News talk Z to b Brett Lee,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
Mate, Thanks Darcy, nice to be on mane.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
How things things are good? The way things are going
in cricket right now. Maybe not so good for yourselves
though as well. Look as a former fast bowler also
deeply involved in Australian cricket. Your initial response to what
happened inside of four days that was a slap to
the face, was it not?
Speaker 6 (31:11):
Oh yeah, and look definitely if you if you look
back at the first day, you know, India bowled out
for one hundred and fifty. I was thinking, you know,
a great start by the audis. They all bowled beautifully.
Josh has would fot from the first innings. But then
I see astray at Rissol for one hundred and forum
thinking okay, well, because you know you can never judge
a pitch until both teams have batted on it. But
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the way that Jeff bet Fromer, you know, Bowies absolutely
bowled the house down, took five far and then of
course we know what happens in the seconding is where
they went out. Jaswell was amazing getting a big hundred
and then all of a sudden, what looked as though
you know, a wicket was produced in the fast bowling
turned into an absolute beautiful wicket. Australia probably didn't bowl
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the best. India batted their house down and to lose
in four days is very, very, very disappointing for the audios.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
When you look at adjustments that have to be made.
There's a bit of a break between tiss you what
is the primary issue we do? They have to tweet
you don't going to throw the baby out of the
bath water, but what do you have to do to
pick it up again?
Speaker 6 (32:14):
I think the first thing is that, you know, a
sense of calm has to come out of the Australian
cricket team. And a lot of people might be listening
and thinking, well, hang on, they're just being walloped. What
do you mean by calm? So my explanation is to
just to give it the player of confidence because the
thing that you don't want to create amongst the side
is that if you lose one test, that they're looking
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for a new open and looking for a new guy
to bat at number five or number six, or the
guys are pulling his weight bowling. So they have to
make sure that that they give the whole Australian cricket
team a chance. That said, though, they have to sharp
and sharpen their pencil on a few things. I don't
think collectively in the second innings, I think Australia by
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a little bit too short to be totally honest, and
that was something that I raised on their working over
there with Fox Sports over in Perth. So there's a
couple of technical things they need to work on. But
the other thing too is India play out their skin.
I don't know how they went from losing three nail
to you guys to come over here and to just
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decimate Australia. But I did emark that a week ago.
I said that when India come to Australia, it is
a different tournament, it's a different situation. They will hit
the ground run and they certainly did that.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I'm probably going to be criticized for this because I've
used this line for about the last week or so,
but they talked about waking the sleeping giant of India.
That wasn't a coma mate, it really was, but we
didn't wake up after the first game and it took
three games to wake up. So the international player form
of Test cricketer, what has to happen to alter the
attitude and change it? Because you don't lose in India
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three nil. I mean that's astonishing. I'm amazed they bounced
back from that.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
Bread Yeah, well, pre have to blame you guys for
the way that you played. You played so well out
our little key we mates. But look it's I've always
known India. Look I've been gone India for thirty years now.
I've watched the development of so many young players come through,
from the shuven Gels to the jash Wells, those types
of players in the sort of twenty twenty for mate,
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these are superstars, you know, these guys will you know,
will go go down in Indian names as big as
you know the row At Charmers of the world, the
Collies and the stash In Tan Dookers. Maybe not as
good as many test runs or tests hundreds, but in
terms of what their their talent can bring with definitely
that So India. They must have just had a real
heartfelt sort of conversation saying, listen, we've been whipped over
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here in n Z. We've been embarrassed. We've have to
go to Australia and change change our tone. But to me,
this was all led by Jasper Bumer of the bowler.
You know, he got the opportunity to captain in these
country for a second occasion and do it properly right
from you know, not with the captain going off injured
or sick, actually having the captaincy from you know, prior
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to the first ball being bold, I thought tactically, he
led his team beautifully, I think the way you bowl.
But also to that declaration before Australia had a back
for their second innings, he could have easily batted well
into the morning of day four, but he thought, you
know what will the heaps of run to here, Let's
send them in. I want to take the ownership here
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and I actually want to be the person to make
some early inroads. And he did that. So he's captaincy
along with some great bowling. I think Australia being a
little bit tentative, and that would be one thing I
would say that the discussion is now leading into the
next Test in Adelaide. They have to find a way
to commit to Jasper Boomer and he's got the type
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of guy that you can leave you. In Australian cricket,
so many batsmen love to leave the ball, but someone
like a jasp bowman with his angle, with that different
run up, with that different arm action, he gets a
ball coming in from that fourth or fifth up lineing
towards us start, which is the reason why they got
what four rb W's and three or four bold.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
When you look at the and you talked about New
Zealand's success which came int of nowhere after getting wallets
by Sri Lanka, and you look at the peaking order
of World Test cricket, how is that altered when you're
take into account what's happened in the last month or so,
britt as far as India and New Zealand and Australia,
it's a little on the topsy turvy side, is it not?
Speaker 6 (36:28):
Yeah, it is. I mean this was you know, last
week was one v two Australia versus India. But I've
been I've been really impressed with the Kiwis, and not
because I'm on the line chating to you, but it's
they are forced to be reckoned with they They've got
some amazing players. They've had a couple of guys that
have moved on, a couple of young guys coming through.
But just just the mindset and some pace there as well.
(36:51):
And you know the thing that I've I can sort
of speculate or talk about the guys that I've played
against or even commentator on you know, the Shane Bonds
of the world that released at the Foundation I think
you average about seventeen with a white ball against the Ausis.
So doesn't surprise me that the talent is over and
enz because they've always had talent, They've always had guys
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that can match it, not only with Australia but definitely
with India.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I think we need more five Test series, or any
five Test series, or more Test series full stop. In
New Zealand a v. Australia. We're starting to get a
hind of it. I know you hamm receivery time, but
wouldn't it be good to rekindle that that that wonderful
trans Tasman fight.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
Look, I think so. And that was one thing I
praise creut Australia and the border cow control of India
is that I always think the big Test series has
to be five Test series because even though Australia has
been whatped in the first doesn't mean they can't go
on to win this series. And that's the great thing
and the benefit of having that. So if you play
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a three Test series like you guys have just done
against India, you know, you sort of lose the first
one if you're from India, and you may lose a second.
The series is done, and then you're playing catch up,
and then they might think, well, we might change the
team around now because the series is done and dusted,
whereas you can actually lose the first two Tests and
come and fight your way back and actually win the
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whole series. So I'm a massive fan of the five
Test series. I think it like Test cricket, a five
Test series, or if you look at the Test match
it goes for five days. You know you can lose
the first one or two days of Test cricket and
actually win that Test match itself. So I'm a massive
fan of it.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
And Brittley, before we let you go, and thanks so
much for joining us. You remember a time we're two
opening fast bowlers kept in the respective sides. I mean,
that's weird, isn't.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
It, Darcy how good? See finally, obviously it's a bloody
batter's game, mate, So finally the fast bowlers who are
definitely the most intelligent creatures going around, and it proved
it proven the fact that fast bowlers can captain in
their countries. Jessic Barmer was outstanding. We all know how
good Pat Cummers has been. So I'm saying this with
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tongue in cheek of course, mate, but you know what,
it's nice. It's nice to get one for the fast ballers.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Tim South he might be questioning that, but that's okay.
He's had a marvelous career anyway, and good luck with Coley.
I think he's woken up now as well. So we
look forward to the chaos of the day night Test match.
I can't stand them myself, prett, but that is what
it is, right.
Speaker 6 (39:24):
Yeah, bombing with the rose ball as they stay not
quite red, not quite white in between.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Ooh rose brittley. Real pleasure, mate, Thanks very much for
joining us here on News Talks EDB.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
Good on your darcy cheers mate.
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
It is summer started, It's official, it is done. Where
in Yeskawa are starting to come out, it's getting warmer,
the sun's lasting longer, and Test cricket has landed. Day
one of the first Tests between England and New Zealand
play christ Church the magnificent Hagley Oval, and that is
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where our focus lies. At the start of the program,
good eating to you all. Seven minutes after seven it
is on Thursday twenty eighth of November twenty twenty four.
We'll catch up with things Ordison, our reporter from a
n z em who's been at the ground all day,
and we'll also have a chat with former New Zealander
Black Caps quick mister Shane Bond and his reckons around
(01:18):
the first day's play. Toward the end of the program
with Karen with cricket. But nothing to do that much
with this Test match, but a lot to do with
what has happened in the recent past. Former Australian fast
bowler Brett Lee joins us on at News Talk ZB
to look at what happened to Australia. What happened to
(01:38):
India initially? Where did New Zealand sit in the pecking
order right now? Brettley coming up toward the end, Andrew
Ordison up next and Shame Bond as well. It's all
about nasty fasties. I'm sure Andrew would love me telling
him he's a nasty FASTI here on news talk Z
before that, though, let's try some of this sport today
(02:00):
and in sports today aside the cricket are lots of
topic and changing for the Breakers ahead of tonight's NBL
fixed against the Illawarra Hawks at their place. King and
Darling will return from injury, but Lopez and Bolden are
outton as a dodgy caff and Lopez, returning from international
duties with Mexico, needs a bit of cotton wool. According
(02:20):
to coach Petrie Copenhen second game he didn't play.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
He got some kind of small injury but letter day
hope it's not too serious.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
But it's kind of like their long travel and the
time waste. This would be impossible maybe to play in
that game.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Former Crusader and all the assistant coach Brad Moore has
made his way back home get signed on as assistant
for the team to work with Robert Penny and Matt Todd.
Does he have eyes though on their head coaching role
in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I don't think taking any any role to look forward
to what may come next is a valuable position to
be an at all.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I don't think that's the right mindset whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Now probably not. But you're gonna do it, aren't you?
Just say yes?
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Augland FC are trying to keep their focus in check.
Sell out looms for the next Kiwi A League dub
against the one Carom Phoenix now the former volcano called
Arara pongin out Go Media Stadium is close to putting
up the full house signs. However, Black Knight's coach Steve
Coracas says they will not get carried away yet to.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
Show how big the derby's already been after the first
game and that's one to obviously look forward to.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
But when we got one game before that, to make
sure that we get maximum points there to continue our run.
Two New Zealand teams at the top of the table
and as he competent Ah and Golfer Bryson's shambo is
showing off after one hundred and thirty four attempts, he's
finally hit a hole in one over his Texas mansion.
It was the fourteenth shot on day sixteenth of trying
(03:52):
and he finally got it done. I could do it
be good. Okay, that's lovely and that's I suppose you
could pay for the windows that he'll break attempting that well,
they might just go straight over it as opposed to
(04:13):
straight through his mansion. Right, Let's get on to test
cricket now, day one of the first tests. Hagley over
between the visiting English and New Zealand. Andrew Oldison in
JB ME cricket commentator, a ficionado of what is a
beautiful game, joins us now to recap on the day evening. Mate.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Thanks to us, we've seen a pretty even dual headed
I must say, between New Zealand and England. Of course
England winning the toss sending New Zealand in by thoughts
and you see it have better with some real the
plumb across the day, and that a lot of the
credit that I think has to go to Tom Lathan
leading their way on his home ground. He's led it
here before, but this time he's in the official capacity.
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As captain and his forty seven or fifty four boars,
and it was just positive intent. And I know he
didn't get to the fifty or moving on to one hundred,
but I thought that was just a significant As the
day has.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Evolved when you think about it, though, Andrew had failed
to go on and there is a case right the
way through the side. So you can say it's respectable
because it is in the three hundreds at the end
of the day. Absolutely, but don't you feel like maybe
there's a couple of tricks just being missed there with
the conditions. And I suppose Basher, Look, he's picked up
a handful of wickets, but they're all pretty bum wickets
(05:29):
went they am I being too cruel here? I think
a touch here, I'm really into that later.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
So I just think that with the venom that's normally
on the show here, and I don't think the pitch
has quite that venom that's had in the past here,
perhaps a Hagio more of Pistacio Hugh when we got
here to day rather than the Emerald machine we've been
accustomed to. But I thought that was a decent knock
and it paved the way for Williamson to get established.
He didn't literally go on beyond that ninety three as
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it started to get baked well with a thirty degree
sun here in Canterbury today, but also had that sort
of kiln drying it out with the northwester going through
as well. So basically batting conditions are only going to
get better over the next two or three.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Andrew wasn't criticizing Latham, Don't get me wrong, because Latham
was a great innings, a great way to start, very aggressive.
But when you look right the way through the innings,
I think there were there were too many lost opportunities,
a lot of starts, not a lot of finishes, and
some pretty some pretty mud wickets. I got to say
as far as dismissals are concerned, and I've been crawling now.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
No, Well, I think one of the key ones for
me was Ravendra. There's there's thirty four runs when you
know the New zeal have established themselves in the ends
and it was a hyke across to short mod wicket
and then you know he has established himself well. So
I thought that was a key case in point. I
mean he saw goom Phillips has made a decent contribution
and also he met Henry being able to sort of
(06:51):
help the tail wag. Unfortunately Nathan Smith that was a
touch soft as well. If you want to talk soft dismissals,
just nudging a catch to short leg on three.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
On his debut.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
So I think he would be disappointed with that. But
I quite like the tolling and frying if you like
between that. Both sides are over the course of that.
I think at the end of the day, I mean
Danie's dealing with a score over three hundred, I would
be happy with that.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
What about the position of the bats, I'm just going
to wail in because I can. But when you look
at Blundele, it's not having a great time of it.
It's wicket keeper batsman, not batsman wicket keep. What on
earth is Phillips doing and coming in behind him? Surely
that's that's a problem that needs to be adjusted. Tweaked
looked at possibly Andrew.
Speaker 7 (07:37):
Yeah, I would switch those two around.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
And I mean Blundell has has had success at number
six and back to that twenty twenty two too, where
here and Mitchell had that extraordinary series of partnerships in
England against this opposition, some of them still here, but
I think there's certainly an argument for that to switch
those two around. But I think Blundell's glove work is
pretty solid by and large, so therefore that's, as you say,
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it's his prime reason for being in the team. But yeah,
he'll he was not an awful lot of competition trying
to force him out at the stage, so he will
need to address that though.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, I don't think that he's not a good wicket keeper.
I think he does well, but I say wicket keeper batsman.
It's not the other way around. He's a wikekeeper first
and foremost. You've got to look at a guy like
Phillips and go, why aren't you coming in ahead of him?
Because he's got that there's an electricity about what he brings.
So when you take all of this into account and
what the English are going to be chasing down, you
(08:35):
said we should be happy, they're probably happy. Is it
a case of even Stevens on the first day.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Absolutely, that's that's the case I'm making. I think it's
it's just an even duel across the course of the day. Really,
I mean, you still have got back into it a
fairly strong way with Williamson at the wicket with with
Williamson and Ravendra and then you know even later on
with Phillips as well. But England have still been just
chipping away throughout. So I think that there is a
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case for both teams. It's been a great day's cricket
really in the full sun here in Canterbury, full crowd
and people just really absorbing, absorbing the fixture, and I
think it's really helped to make it a terrific spectacle.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Sussy.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
And if I know Andrew Orison is a full tummy
as well, he would have spent far too much time
at the buffet, which is understandable because they put on
a great feed at lunch and all cricket matches. Let's
get away, Oh incidental. He was three hundred and nineteen
for eight the end of the day's play three nineteen
for eight. They were one hundred and ninety nine four
three at one stage, so you go, wow, could have
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done better anyway. Not about me, It's about Shane Bond.
He knows more than a few things about the wonderful
game of cricket and we'll join him now with a
summary of the day's plague through the eyes of an
international cricket and a former fast bowler. Shane, Hello to you,
So how did you find Day one?
Speaker 8 (09:59):
I loved it. It was a great day's cricket.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I think we got what was expected to whoever was
won of the toss. It's gonna have a bowl average
score in the day at Hagley.
Speaker 8 (10:08):
So I think the first day is three oh nine
for eight. You know, New Zealand are sitting around there
somewhere and you know ebbed and flowed. Williamson got runs.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
The spinner got wickets, which was a little bit strange,
but all in all from a viewer's perspective, you know,
the day went really fast. I think the only disappointing
factor for me is there's there only eighty three overs
bowld even.
Speaker 8 (10:28):
Though we had twenty overs spin.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
So I'm really excited about the Test match tomorrow, the
day leading in tomorrow, and I think it's it's going
to be a continuou even flow Test series.
Speaker 8 (10:40):
I think these two teams are really easily matched.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Mindy, let's look at that over ray because this is
a source of constant annoyance to spectators, to broadcast to
pretty much everyone except the guys bowling. What happens. Now
do they get a slap around the knuckles, do they
get a well what happens? Because I get a feeling
they're going to get away with it and do we
no punishment?
Speaker 8 (11:01):
This is wrong, right, that's mate?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I think you know, I think you look at it
Australia in the first cycle of the World Test Championship,
it's customer spot. In the final they got doped points.
I mean England are out of the running, so they're
not going to have that problem. What they may have
is their captain suspended. If you know, if this is
a pattern through the through the through the series, it's
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really hard.
Speaker 8 (11:27):
The drs and the review slows it down.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
We had, you know, foot mark issues in the morning
and then when you watch a drinks break and there
you know there are three and three in a day.
They seem to take five to seven minutes, so you're
you're always going to have a.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
Six and a half our day. So I don't know
what the what the thing is. I think the fines
and the points production to final, I.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Think you'd have to think about removing the drinks break perhaps,
if you know, you just got to go with with
people running out drinks to the playoffs. That will probably
save three overs, but the pace of play is probably
one of the things that's really letting Test cricket down.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Shane Bond joining us, Let's take a look at what
happened to actually on the day as far as the
crookeet is concerned. Bashi really make all those wickets or
was he just gifted them?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I think it was a combination of some loose shot plays,
some good bowling, some good feel and good captaincy from Stokes.
I thought, you know, he was a little bit inconsistent
to start with the share and I think he got
the sense that revengder In particularly wanted to get after
him to try and put pressure on understanding that if
she didn't bowl twenty overs now the England bowlers would
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have seen as would have been pretty cooked.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
But you know, and then the end he sort of.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Gifted his wicket away and I thought as the day
wore on, the sheer got better and Stokes switched the
ends to Matt Henry at the end to have him
hitting into the wind to get that last time. So
I thought, Stokes, you know, there's a lot of talk
about Ben and his proactiveness and I think he did that,
and it's one of the traits of the McCullum Stokes
eras to back young players.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
You know, it's twenty one.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I think they see him as having a huge amount
of upside and the only way he's going to get
better is to continue to play him in different conditions.
And you know, I think they reaped a little bit
of that reward today. I thought, you know, for a
spinner to get four wickets Day one on Hagley was
a pretty good.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Effort when you look at what the English seamers presented.
Is there anything that the New Zealand seemans can take
from that when they eventually get the ball, whenever that
may be.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
You know, I think may tomorrow, when New zeal And
get the new ball, it's going to seem around so
they dore's a lot of talk about a new ball.
It's a new ball wicket and I definitely feel it
there's opportunities in the first twenty over as if you
bowl well to have a team three or four wickets down.
New Zealand won't have to deal with the footmark, so
that'll make a difference. I think then what they did
is they used the wind smartly, they had sort of
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a seama or the spinner like Wokes, and the spinner's
running into the wind, just going into sort of more
of a.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
Holding pattern, semi defensive fields.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Looking to go two or three and over and then
down when they use the short ball effectively after tea.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
And it's not an.
Speaker 8 (13:59):
Easy wicket to play the short ball on.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
There's big boundaries, it's a little bit tennis ball bounce,
so even though you could still go up four and over,
it feels like you're taking risks to do it. So
I think you'll see those tactics employed by New Zealand tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Should anyone with the bat be disappointed at their contribution,
there are plenty of starts and you know, just sort
of a thefty for the cat and just sort of
a ton would have been as what thirty third ton
for Caine Williamson. They could probably be slightly aggrieved that
out of the rest of them who cover themselves in glory,
you didn't.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
I think there was enough in the wicket that you're
probably never really in. I thought Latham would have been disappointed.
He seemed to rattle along to forty seven and it
sort of almost felt like he was getting a batting
at a tempo that was a not that he had.
Speaker 8 (14:46):
To because they were dishing some stuff up.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
But he'll be disappointed with that. I think he was
set for a huge score. And that's the thing with
all the New New Zealand batsmen. They got starts. But
that's the way of Test Crickett. There is that tendency
to want to put pressure on bowlers to score at
a high tempo and with that comes a little bit
of risk and you saw that with Mitchell. You know,
he's a good player of the short ball, but with
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the field that was set now he's prepared to play
the shot and get out. And I suppose that New
Zealand look through that batting card. They'll see a whole
lot of starts. They'll see partnerships between sort of forty
and seventy, but nothing that was a real game changer.
But the tempo of the innings, you know, tout three
undred and twenty runs off New Zealand can clock on
another fifty tomorrow.
Speaker 8 (15:28):
You would say that three.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Seventies, you know, not a bad first effort when you've
been put in.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, being critical because we're the media, we can't help ourselves.
Why one hundred and ninety nine for three to be
three nineteen ver eight's that had stick in your crawl,
wouldn't it overnight before we went to sleep?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yeah, I think New Zealand or will will feel like
they've missed an opportunity.
Speaker 8 (15:47):
I think that they would have felt like that the three.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Twenty runs, which was probably fair, but they'd love to
be five down and feeling that they could kick on
to four twenty maybe four point thirty. You know tomorrow
with that new ball, you would.
Speaker 8 (16:01):
Expect some movement.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
So I don't know how long the New Zealand line
up will hang around for. And then that first out
New Zealand with that bull's key because you know, England
score fast and if New Zealand can't make in roads,
it can also be challenging through sort of overs number
thirty to eighty.
Speaker 8 (16:16):
And there's no doubt England will play at a high tempo.
That's generally how they do it.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
So Yeah, even though sometimes you go, oh, we lost
the task and we you know, he got three twenty,
it's more like you said, as they had an opportunity
to really put the foot on the throat.
Speaker 8 (16:29):
And they missed out on that.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
We'll let you go shortly, Shane Bond. Just one last thing, Blundle.
We know he's great behind the stumps, he keeps very
very well. Does he still have a place sitting where
he does in the batting lineup? Surely Phillips should be
jumping a position. Surely.
Speaker 8 (16:48):
Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
You know, I don't mind Philip's betting one up. You know,
Blundle obviously has opened the batting for New Zealand, so
it sort of makes sense that you'd use them when
the ball is new and the second new.
Speaker 8 (17:00):
Ball if he came in.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
And I also think for Glenn Phillips to have someone
batting behind him too wouldn't be a bad thing. You know,
he's going to play aggressively. So look that you could
make an argument either way. I think you still I'll
be happy that Glenn Phillips is still there because he's
the sort of.
Speaker 8 (17:14):
Player who can score so quickly.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
At the end of the day, both of them have
just got to score runs, and I think that's the
one thing that Tommy Blundell, he'll he'll know that and
like Devin.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
Conway, that he's under a little bit of pressure. But
I'm sure the quality of player that he is he
will score runs in.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
The series sussy at twenty four after seven. Shane Bond,
commentating today on the Cricket of course, former international across
so one day is but more importantly Test matches as well,
with his summation of day one of the first Tests
between England and New Zealand. It's your turnout, Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty three for a number nationwide
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nine two nine two that is at ZEBZB. That's the
text line that all costumes the text to charge with
much Rather you called in though, with your thoughts, your
reaction to the first day of the first Test for me,
the official start of summer. I can pick three talking
points out of this. I would like you to pick
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a couple out of this as well. Where's your focus being?
How has the day worked out for you? Is there
a distinct advantage anywhere? Even Stevens like pretty much both
Andrew and Shane I didn't mention a lot to talk about.
For me my three talking points and be interested if
you believe it's the same thing we finished on one
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there with Shane Bond. Blundle is a wicket keeper batsman
wicket keeper first batsman, second wicket keeper batsman. We know
he can bat at the top.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Of the order.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
We know he's proficient with the blade. We know this,
but having him come in where he does at number six,
I think borderline insane. When you've got a guy like
Glenn Phillips, as Shane mentioned, you got Glenn Phillips, goes
in there and does what Glenn Phillips does, and his
backup the guy behind him is Blundle. Because he goes
in there and tries to hold inn things together. I
don't think that's right for a guy of his ability
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with the bats. That is issue number one is number two.
From what I can see from this Test match, New
Zealand had opportunity and they did not capitalize on that opportunity.
And I think that it sounds cruel. It sounds mean
I wasn't out there. I don't know. I'm quigby, but
being a longtime fan, I look at what was out
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there at one hundred and ninety nine to three and
then go to stumps at three hundred and nineteen for
eight to me on a drying, flattening pitch. With this
guy Bashia, I should stop calling him Basher. I can't
help myself. I keep thinking, I'm reading a bino magazine.
A it's a part time spinner with what average right
ninety six? I think it was it didn't even turn
the ball. That's disappointing.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
For me.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
That's disappointing. In the last issue, what do we do
about the overrate? What do we actually do about the overrate?
Makes no difference now of England get docked points because
they're out of the World Test Championship. What has to
happen and yet they're a mitigating factors? Big gear weaving
gear waving eight hundred and eighty ten eighty three points
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or even one point for you coming out of the
first day's play. For me is blundle in the right position?
Did we really make the most of the opportunity that
we had? I say we, I mean the black Caps,
not me? And what do we do about the slow overrate?
It's a blight on the game? Twenty seven minutes after
seven Your thoughts coming up next? One hundred eighty ten
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the Corner's way brit Lee as his news talks, heb
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Speaker 1 (20:49):
We've got the breakdown on Sports Talk cal Oh eight
hundred eighty News TALKB.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
I say, I like crack An. I love that tacts
about as predictable as a commentator saying they could really
deal with a wicket now, No really, Yeah, it's a
great track, though let's face it now it's it's not
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quite the tune of summer. Let it mean more like
the lazy, easy days of cricket. Thing. I do, I do,
I do. I'm Darcy Watergrave. This is sports talk on
news Talk. Said be three issues from the day's play,
three issues that I have isolated as issues worth talking about.
I wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty overrates terrible? What
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do we do about that? It's cheating people out of viewing?
Speaker 9 (21:45):
Right?
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I was going to say we pay for the coverage,
but now that it's free to wear, so we don't
do we? But look, so be it. There's no punishment
meet it out yet, and there should be because it's annoying.
I don't think he's in on scored enough runs. They
had ample opportunity to do so. Are ninety nine for
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three transforms to two hundred and nineteen for eight pitch
wasn't doing anything. What do they say about tennis ball.
He bouncing, but a lot of those wickets were gifted
that were given away, especially bash year, he was asking
him to be punked all over the park. That's disappointing.
Like I may sound harsh and mean and miserable, I'm
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just telling you what I saw, telling you what I think,
and I'm convinced that Glenn Phillips is in the wrong position.
He needs to be batting one up. With all due
respect to Blundele who was an opening bat, absolutely, but
he's a wicket keeper batsman wicket keeper first, right, and
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he's gonna get on spent all day in the park
getting tired, and if he does that first before he
comes out to bat, not ideal. But the thing is,
as Shane Bond pointed out, a guy like Phillips needs
someone behind him. It's almost like the last fence before
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things fall apart. I don't know if that pressures the
right thing to put on a guy who's such a
free flowing batsman. I really don't. I'd like your thoughts
on that. O E one hundred and eighty ten eighty
On all three of those opinions, you may have an
opinion of your own. In fact, a few of them
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have been sent in overrates, schmover rates. We never see
a drawer after five days anymore, Which is which is
a fair point? Do I just like feeling robbed? Maybe
that's what it is? Well, I do live in west
Auckland on Nigela'll reply to your text shortly. First, I'll
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talk with Ben Guy, Ben, how are you?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
How you doing?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I'm very very happy. How about yourself?
Speaker 8 (24:04):
I'm happy.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I'm happy. It's Sonny in author today and it's a
good times. But it's once called about the cricket. Yeah, look,
I think par part day for New Zealand, to be honest,
runs wise. But I just wanted to comment on Tom Blundell.
What is he what's he doing in the team at
the moment. Yeah, well that's that that that That's exactly
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my point. And then so my my thought is why
not Will Young? Why not Will Young in there and
getting in a conway? Even Will Young behind the stumps?
I mean, that's out of out of pocket. But I
just don't know what Blundle is contributing to the team.
I saw watch him in India. He was bum bungling
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around there.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I think he's the best people we've got and I
don't think being you should underestimate the import of having
somebody who is capable behind the sticks. I think that's
hugely important.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
I think my my thought is weighing up the two
runs versus somebody behind the sticks. If we need more
runs against England, not not somebody better behind the stunts.
And I feel like, if you're going to take one
or the other in this series, it's going to be
the runs that are going to contribute to getting us
the series win. And I just I'm just so frustrated
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with Tom Bundle. I mean, he's a quality player when
he came in in Australia, phenomenal, but I just I
feel now is just lacking confidence and what I watch
him in India first two tests just really really tentative.
The last, the last test, he came out, played some
shots and he looked very confident, and I just, honestly,
I feel like it's gone on too long now. My
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thought is get get an inferior wicket keeper with for
more runs. Will Young was our best player in India
and I just just just frustrated.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
It's an interesting argument, Ben, I think that for me,
he was so important. You've seen in many situations where
apart I'm a light Stephen Conway, for example, made some
fundamental errors and short versions of the game that have
dearly cost the team because he's not quite a keeper.
So what's a wicket worth, what are the runs worth?
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And what are they actually there for? So that he's
not a batsman wicket keeper, he's a wicket keeper batsman.
It's a good discussion. I mean, thanks for bringing it up.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think in conditions too. I'm
in New Zealand, the boards you're going to seem around,
you're going to have the wicket keeper back from the
stumps a lot more than say in India, where you
need a quality wicket keeper, and there's no doubt Tom
Bundle's our best keeper. But I just think, you know,
I just think dropping Will Young, you know, And I
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don't know who would replace Bundle, but I just think
you just need another batsman in that top order for
us to hold it up. Because then if you had
your Cane, you've got ratching and you've got Will Young
in the middle order. Man, that's that's a solid, solid
lineup on your been.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Hey, thanks very much. For calling through with your opinion
of one hundred eighty ten eighty. Do the same if
you're seven thirty six high Allen. What's up?
Speaker 7 (27:16):
Yeah, good evening, Darcy. I don't know what you had
in the afternoon tea or so the early evening, but
you sort of come out so of like unhappy that
the black Caps are three hundred and nineteen for eight.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Well, well, I'm not Kaby, and just what I saw
us like they probably could have done better. I don't
think that's being mean or unfair. I think he's being honest, right.
Isn't that what you want from me?
Speaker 7 (27:42):
I would expect nothing less, Darcy. You know a guy
so okay. So I'm proud of Tom Latham. I'd just
like to say, thinking about it today, that guy was
he was in doubt, he was getting all his runs
in the subcontinent and he's really knuckled down. To me,
he's like an inspiration for all cricketers about hard work
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and technique and in his runs were important. Now, Devin Conway,
little story, Darcy will be real brief. Will Young got
injured early in his career. He played for Australia up
in New Zealand. A they played some late Winter games
in Australia Queensland Northern Territory, and the Australians have used
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most part of their attack star all those guys to
play against the New Zealand a side. Will Young got
two back to back centuries. He was a new phenomenon
and he got injured for a year or so. So
I would say Conway, no, he's gone bet. Will Young
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is an opener Blundele. You know the first person you
pick as your keeper, Darcy Well.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I don't pick international sides, Ellen, but think you pick
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
Alan.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
You make some great points and thanks very much for
ringing through with them. It's interesting around Devin Conway, isn't it?
And what he'scored. He loves seventeens. He's scored seventeen three
times in his last ten or so. When if he's
only average, like just under thirty and his last ten
eleven test matches, sorry in a ninety one on the
seventy six in there, but not the player that he
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was now. You cannot dump guys out of this team
based on that, because there's a guy like Young standing
in the sideline. I think the strength of this team
has always been in the fact hard to get in,
very hard to get out and the faith that the
select and the coach has in the players is a
very important part of what they bring to the park.
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But some players must be looking over their shoulders going
I wonder if the acts will fall and out of
that pressure do we get fantastic results or do they crumble?
And pressure can make people crumble. Look at it into
you what should laugh about it? That we're going to
talk about that next India. That is with Brett Lee,
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former Australian quick bowler now broadcaster for Fox. He joins
us do he talk boy Cricket era News talk Z
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Speaker 9 (30:19):
Cool no to see good flashes if you were standing so.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Seven forty three Brett Lee in his pump was quite
something else, lightning astonishing fast bowler in his error. He's
commentated now it works with Fox Sport. Kind enough to
join us here on News talk Z to b Brett Lee,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
Mate, Thanks Darcy, nice to be on mane.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
How things things are good? The way things are going
in cricket right now. Maybe not so good for yourselves
though as well. Look as a former fast bowler also
deeply involved in Australian cricket. Your initial response to what
happened inside of four days that was a slap to
the face, was it not?
Speaker 6 (31:11):
Oh yeah, and look definitely if you if you look
back at the first day, you know, India bowled out
for one hundred and fifty. I was thinking, you know,
a great start by the audis. They all bowled beautifully.
Josh has would fot from the first innings. But then
I see astray at Rissol for one hundred and forum
thinking okay, well, because you know you can never judge
a pitch until both teams have batted on it. But
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the way that Jeff bet Fromer, you know, Bowies absolutely
bowled the house down, took five far and then of
course we know what happens in the seconding is where
they went out. Jaswell was amazing getting a big hundred
and then all of a sudden, what looked as though
you know, a wicket was produced in the fast bowling
turned into an absolute beautiful wicket. Australia probably didn't bowl
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the best. India batted their house down and to lose
in four days is very, very, very disappointing for the audios.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
When you look at adjustments that have to be made.
There's a bit of a break between tiss you what
is the primary issue we do? They have to tweet
you don't going to throw the baby out of the
bath water, but what do you have to do to
pick it up again?
Speaker 6 (32:14):
I think the first thing is that, you know, a
sense of calm has to come out of the Australian
cricket team. And a lot of people might be listening
and thinking, well, hang on, they're just being walloped. What
do you mean by calm? So my explanation is to
just to give it the player of confidence because the
thing that you don't want to create amongst the side
is that if you lose one test, that they're looking
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for a new open and looking for a new guy
to bat at number five or number six, or the
guys are pulling his weight bowling. So they have to
make sure that that they give the whole Australian cricket
team a chance. That said, though, they have to sharp
and sharpen their pencil on a few things. I don't
think collectively in the second innings, I think Australia by
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a little bit too short to be totally honest, and
that was something that I raised on their working over
there with Fox Sports over in Perth. So there's a
couple of technical things they need to work on. But
the other thing too is India play out their skin.
I don't know how they went from losing three nail
to you guys to come over here and to just
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decimate Australia. But I did emark that a week ago.
I said that when India come to Australia, it is
a different tournament, it's a different situation. They will hit
the ground run and they certainly did that.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I'm probably going to be criticized for this because I've
used this line for about the last week or so,
but they talked about waking the sleeping giant of India.
That wasn't a coma mate, it really was, but we
didn't wake up after the first game and it took
three games to wake up. So the international player form
of Test cricketer, what has to happen to alter the
attitude and change it? Because you don't lose in India
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three nil. I mean that's astonishing. I'm amazed they bounced
back from that.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
Bread Yeah, well, pre have to blame you guys for
the way that you played. You played so well out
our little key we mates. But look it's I've always
known India. Look I've been gone India for thirty years now.
I've watched the development of so many young players come through,
from the shuven Gels to the jash Wells, those types
of players in the sort of twenty twenty for mate,
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these are superstars, you know, these guys will you know,
will go go down in Indian names as big as
you know the row At Charmers of the world, the
Collies and the stash In Tan Dookers. Maybe not as
good as many test runs or tests hundreds, but in
terms of what their their talent can bring with definitely
that So India. They must have just had a real
heartfelt sort of conversation saying, listen, we've been whipped over
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here in n Z. We've been embarrassed. We've have to
go to Australia and change change our tone. But to me,
this was all led by Jasper Bumer of the bowler.
You know, he got the opportunity to captain in these
country for a second occasion and do it properly right
from you know, not with the captain going off injured
or sick, actually having the captaincy from you know, prior
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to the first ball being bold, I thought tactically, he
led his team beautifully, I think the way you bowl.
But also to that declaration before Australia had a back
for their second innings, he could have easily batted well
into the morning of day four, but he thought, you
know what will the heaps of run to here, Let's
send them in. I want to take the ownership here
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and I actually want to be the person to make
some early inroads. And he did that. So he's captaincy
along with some great bowling. I think Australia being a
little bit tentative, and that would be one thing I
would say that the discussion is now leading into the
next Test in Adelaide. They have to find a way
to commit to Jasper Boomer and he's got the type
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of guy that you can leave you. In Australian cricket,
so many batsmen love to leave the ball, but someone
like a jasp bowman with his angle, with that different
run up, with that different arm action, he gets a
ball coming in from that fourth or fifth up lineing
towards us start, which is the reason why they got
what four rb W's and three or four bold.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
When you look at the and you talked about New
Zealand's success which came int of nowhere after getting wallets
by Sri Lanka, and you look at the peaking order
of World Test cricket, how is that altered when you're
take into account what's happened in the last month or so,
britt as far as India and New Zealand and Australia,
it's a little on the topsy turvy side, is it not?
Speaker 6 (36:28):
Yeah, it is. I mean this was you know, last
week was one v two Australia versus India. But I've
been I've been really impressed with the Kiwis, and not
because I'm on the line chating to you, but it's
they are forced to be reckoned with they They've got
some amazing players. They've had a couple of guys that
have moved on, a couple of young guys coming through.
But just just the mindset and some pace there as well.
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And you know the thing that I've I can sort
of speculate or talk about the guys that I've played
against or even commentator on you know, the Shane Bonds
of the world that released at the Foundation I think
you average about seventeen with a white ball against the Ausis.
So doesn't surprise me that the talent is over and
enz because they've always had talent, They've always had guys
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that can match it, not only with Australia but definitely
with India.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I think we need more five Test series, or any
five Test series, or more Test series full stop. In
New Zealand a v. Australia. We're starting to get a
hind of it. I know you hamm receivery time, but
wouldn't it be good to rekindle that that that wonderful
trans Tasman fight.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
Look, I think so. And that was one thing I
praise creut Australia and the border cow control of India
is that I always think the big Test series has
to be five Test series because even though Australia has
been whatped in the first doesn't mean they can't go
on to win this series. And that's the great thing
and the benefit of having that. So if you play
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a three Test series like you guys have just done
against India, you know, you sort of lose the first
one if you're from India, and you may lose a second.
The series is done, and then you're playing catch up,
and then they might think, well, we might change the
team around now because the series is done and dusted,
whereas you can actually lose the first two Tests and
come and fight your way back and actually win the
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whole series. So I'm a massive fan of the five
Test series. I think it like Test cricket, a five
Test series, or if you look at the Test match
it goes for five days. You know you can lose
the first one or two days of Test cricket and
actually win that Test match itself. So I'm a massive
fan of it.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
And Brittley, before we let you go, and thanks so
much for joining us. You remember a time we're two
opening fast bowlers kept in the respective sides. I mean,
that's weird, isn't.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
It, Darcy how good? See finally, obviously it's a bloody
batter's game, mate, So finally the fast bowlers who are
definitely the most intelligent creatures going around, and it proved
it proven the fact that fast bowlers can captain in
their countries. Jessic Barmer was outstanding. We all know how
good Pat Cummers has been. So I'm saying this with
(39:03):
tongue in cheek of course, mate, but you know what,
it's nice. It's nice to get one for the fast ballers.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Tim South he might be questioning that, but that's okay.
He's had a marvelous career anyway, and good luck with Coley.
I think he's woken up now as well. So we
look forward to the chaos of the day night Test match.
I can't stand them myself, prett, but that is what
it is, right.
Speaker 6 (39:24):
Yeah, bombing with the rose ball as they stay not
quite red, not quite white in between.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Ooh rose brittley. Real pleasure, mate, Thanks very much for
joining us here on News Talks EDB.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
Good on your darcy cheers mate.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
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