December 3, 2024 • 41 mins
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Chris Cairns - Former Blackcap
Talkback - Tim Southee's final two tests - should he play on form or sentiment?
Nick Becker - Auckland FC CEO - On the Nix derby being a sell out.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Here we go again by Hello there, Welcome on into
sports talk it Tunes. The news still said, be wise decision. Yeah,
it's a Tuesday, seven after seven, third of December twenty
twenty four on Darcy Walter Grave Sport from now through
until eight o'clock tonight. A bit of cricket, a bit
of football. Nick Becker, Aucklan FC's CEO talking about the
(00:55):
derby sellout, the extra seats and the like of the
draw two derbies before Christmas. How good are they involved
in that? We'll find out when Nick Beckett joins the program.
Not that that's a bad thing, it's a smart thing.
If they were football on fire currently and Auckland and
(01:17):
right across, Oh, thank you a league. When I kick
things off of Chris Can's former black Caps all round
her black Caps dairy, deary, deary me. I don't think
we need an excuse as to what happened. We will
know what happened. Forgot to use their hands are beyond
that though. What happens next. There's a movement that suggests
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Will Young probably should have been there Why wasn't he
Does he come back in again? Is that too upsetting
for the natural order of the black Cap side? And
what do we do with Tim Southy? I'm not saying
he deserves to be dropped, but then you bring Mitch
sanderin who goes by the sword? The new guy or
the old fella? And I suppose being so long in
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the Spikes, does he deserve to go out to the
beat his own drum and not big dropped unceremoniously just
got the head coaches, not Razer Robinson. Remember he did
that to write Crockett. That was tough in that final
of the Crusaders. Enough already, that's what we got coming up.
Your calls on eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Does Southy
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get dropped for Nathan Smith? Or does he play at
his career as I touched on there as the retirement,
does that come into his consideration? How much rope do
you give a guy on his way out. I'm not
suggesting he needs to be dropped, but replacements, replacement?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
We need Santana? Do we need him more than Nathan's.
We're going to get your calls and thoughts. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. But before that, as per,
let's do this today. We'll metch Santner climb into the
team for this week's a basin based, basin based, basin
based test match. After Nathan Lyon's fun last time out.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
It was just the one last year with a kind
of spun which is a bit of a shocker fever
one I guess when we played Australia. So we're still
not sure. But traditionally yeah, it can be quite quite
friendly for the seams early but then flatten out right.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Oh, it's heart warming. Auckland FC are making an effort
to garner as much support as possible for the second
round of New Zealand's a leg derby against the Wellington
Phoenix on Saturday. Tickets for mounts Mart's twenty five thousand
sea capacity sold out, with the North Bank opening up
for an extra thousand tickets for family. So Nick Becker, why.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
We spoke to the stageum of the weekend and they
were ready supportive of opening up that grassy bank at
the north end. We're going to just sell family tickets
there because it's obviously right above our family fan zone
flying out the door like hot cakes at the moment.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Jordy Barrett is settling into a very different rugby life
the All Blacks at second five eighths on sabbatical with
the Irish club Leinster linking up last week after the
end of year tour with the All Blacks.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
And the Royal Treatman got picked up at the airport
by Tiger Furlong and so it's great to be welcomed
by someone like that, and it's yes, it's nice to
be able to rub shoulders with a lot of boys
this week.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
What's so rall about getting picked up by Tiger Furlong?
What would he drive a range Rover or was it
a Rolls Royce or I didn't even care? And netball
is in line for a shakeup internationally. Format silver fan
Joan Hodson is all over the widespread potential change.
Speaker 7 (04:32):
Increase competition exposure. You know you're going to be able
to develop lots of players. It's really good to the
global willed acknowledgement of women's sports.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Just plenty of global tournaments, like every other sport in
the world is doing. Makes sense to me, and.
Speaker 8 (04:47):
That's sports today.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Live in past seven. Let's talk k cracket now. Chris
Kens joins us a format black cap all around her
as we take a look back and look forward at
the first and final Test series of this season. Kreskins,
Welcome to the show, mate Dusk.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Good to chat as always.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And great to have you back on. Of course you
would have been keenly enjoying what was going on in
christ Church as far as a Test cricket match is concerned,
but not the result and not what happened there. Considering
what happened in India, there was a right head scratcher
christ Church.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Wasn't it. Yeah, Well, and look I kind of agree
with what Tom Lathan said at the end of it.
They don't need to go into sort of a microscopic
analysis of what happened, like taking catches the game. The
game is completely different and then made off the back
of what occurred in India, which is quite simply, I
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think it's the greatest Test victory series victory in the
history of the game. I'm going to be fascinated to
see what happens at the Hallbergs off the back of
what that means team did in India. But bringing it
back to now, it was an aberration, that's not a
normal New Zealand fielding unit, and so you're right, it's
a head scratcher.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
It's been sluggish though in the field. When Rixton kicked
it all off and it carried on right the way through,
we're a very sharp fielding unit. It was something we
could control envy of the world, and then the last
year or so it's kind of buttoned off a wee bit.
Can you put your finger on why maybe the standards
aren't as high, or the executions the point as not
as high as it has been previously.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I don't know matter. I'm not even sure that that's
the case. I think you know, when when you drop
eight catch, I got it. I wouldn't even know when
New Zealand testing would have dropped eighty catches and never
and you know the fact that that many and then
Brooke was dropped five times. I mean he just kept
teen off and teen off and teen off, and so
for them to have done that, you know, yeah, but
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it's just it was such It was a really funny
one for me, just the field, because I thought it
was a good toss to lose. And the reason I
say that is that when you when you bowl or
bat in a Northwest in christ Church. You know it
looks green, you choose bowl. It doesn't often do as
much as what you think. So New Zealand was well
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and truly in the hunt made and Hadding seventy for
four in the first dig. And if they had have
taken catches, we could well be talking a different story.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
When somebody puts down a catch that they should have taken,
and then another one and then another one. The talk
amongst the team about how you stop that accelerating because
the fear would be there. What do you say amongst
a team around something like that, and then when you
start dropping more? Wow, what's the conversation?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Look, it's concentration. I mean they're all professional athletes. May
they've been around the game long enough they know fielding
is just a given, you know, those basic fundamentals, and
so it just it simply just comes down to concentration.
So for there to be that many eerrors, Look, it
is a funny scene ground there because you've got that
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tightly packed crowd in a sort of a bank scenario.
So look, there's enough around there. But it's no excuse.
I mean they've played there, you know, many many times.
But yeah, I just I don't think they can get
too carried away with the analytics of it. They feel
they train hard enough, so it's it's yeah, it's a
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it's an anomaly, but one that needs to be rectified.
But saying that, when you're when you're in a group
that's dropping catches, you do get to the scenario where
it's like Jesus hop it doesn't come to me and you.
So there is a little bit of that. But look,
as I said, they're all you know, they're all professional cricketers,
they know what they're doing, and I know I've got
confidence made that they'll bounce back in the field.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
And anomaly. We'll leave it at that. Let's go to
the test coming up and one like look Hagley oval.
In fact, we are blessed with beautiful ovals here in
New Zealand. It's so good from the concrete jungle days
actually having ovals and you can't really go past what
will be the magnificence of a Kawa studded base and reserve.
The discussion now, Chris Kens, is around what do we
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do with the team. It's interesting because it will take spin.
Mitt Santner has now been hauled in That means one
of four seamans will likely go. Most people think Smith
the new guy, will go. There's a thought that it
may be Salvy. How do you make that decision?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, Look, I thought Gary Stead got it wrong, and
he doesn't often get it wrong. I thought he got
it wrong by not playing Will Young in christ Church
more so made off the bat that he had earned
his place in the side, off his performance in the
three Tests in India, and so for the player of
the series to then come back to christ Church and
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be dropped from the side, I just I just don't
know internally the dynamic or how the team sort of
feels about that, and the fact that I, like I said, mate,
I thought he earned his place. So whether Conway made
way or you didn't play the extra Seema and Smith
and you kept a longer batting lineup, But for Young
to be left out, I think just it sort of
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just sent the wrong message about who New Zealand was
and and may Will Young earns his place, right, That's
what That's what I felt. But but look, didn't play
lost the test. Now they've come to Wellington, as you say,
there's talk of Soud they're missing out, but he can't,
you know, I he deserves to play the next next
two tests regardless. I mean, you know, it's a and
that's just the way it is. And I and that's
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you know, and I've been a bit sentimental probably, yeah,
But for someone to have given as much service and
done as much as he's done, he deserves, he deserves
his final two tests. So so he's a given, right,
He's a lock. Henry's a lock. A Rock is going
to He's going to be a superstar. There's no two
ways about it. He's going to be a superstar. So
so for me, Smith makes way for Santana. But the
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issue becomes, you know, do you persevere with an out
a form Conway? And so these are the decisions that
Gary said will have to sort of look at And
do you look at a tired Tom Blundle. He does
look tired with his footwork behind the stumps made. He's
falling over at the crease when he's batting, he's moving
across his stumps, so he's not looking as sharp as
as what he has done in the past. So do
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you put him at seven and Phillips the sixth? So
I think there's going to be some tweaks with what
the unit is, but can they win absolutely? Can they
win the series two one? Absolutely? So they're not done
in dusted by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Chris Kian's a theory that has floated around good teams
for a long time and it's been definitely in place
for the black Caps. Is it's very hard to get
in and it's very hard to get out. So when
you look at the case you've been mentioning, now, I
think the swap around with Blundell and Phillips is pretty logical,
but maybe Conway and Young is that a little cruel
to trigger him Now? I think that they're more than
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likely to give him a bit more rope before the
end of the season. But that's another difficult decision. Where
do you intend on that one?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yeah, yeah, it is. If they were going to do it, mate,
they should have done in the first test to give
because Young, off the back of his Player of the
Series performance, make a tough call and say to Conway, look,
go back to domestic cricket and get some formed back
because he's reaching for the ball, his hands aren't quit.
He doesn't sort of know where his hands are at
the moment. So that was the chance starts to bring
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young in now that they or now that they didn't.
And look, we're analyzing things off the back of New
Zealand's greatest ever Tessa is when Gary Stead has got
a wonderful credential or credentials with what he's done. He's
a smart operator. But now he's under the pump because
you know, and this will be the true character of
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this side to bounce back. And I believe they can
do it. There's no two ways about it. But there
are a couple of tweaks that are required. But just
coming back to your point of circling back, it is
the hallmark of a good side that it is harder
to get out of the side than to get in.
And I remember Mark Wore sort of talking to me,
you know, in that great Ossie sort of late nineties
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two thousand sort of side where you know, he sort
of said that they always had the confidence to fail.
He knew that it wasn't going to be a couple
of run of low scores that was going to get
them out of the side. They they they had the
confidence to fail. And when you have that, I mean,
you know, you have a good unit, but you've got
to stay. You've got to stay true to that. So
so if they bounce back from what would be such
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a disappointing performance in christ Church and win this next test,
which they can do, then their back.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
On track confidence to fail. Interesting theory. That was that
amazing era with the psychological disintegration of the answer, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, there's well, Steve war I mean they had a
wonderful side. And look, we had a series over there
in two thousand and two thousand and one, two thousand
and two and two I think, and that was Shane
Bond's first series and you know we drew nil all
against you know, an amazing aussy side. We had a
tough little a good little side actually, and but you
know we also had a good hub at that stage
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of players, you know, who knew their game and again
you know, getting consistency of selection. And it's a good saying,
you know, to have the confidence to fail.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And you would like to see sow they retain his
place too, And I want to expand on that. You
say he deserves it because of his career. How long
does that last?
Speaker 8 (14:18):
For?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
How long do you give a guy that rope? He's
only got two tests to go? Is it? Fado complete.
Is that necessarily the right way to go. Look, he
hasn't played poorly. I'm not saying he has. But this
whole concept of you've been never so long, we're going
to let you bow it on your terms. How comfortable
with that?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, that's good. It's a good point and so and
look it's a Test match, right, so we're not So
I'm being mindful of just saying, you know, he's he's
in there regardless what I do think it's a bit
of a tweak. Actually, so as much as we're talking
about Phillips and Blundle swapping around, because I thought over
the last year that should have been the scenario anyway.
I thought that Phillips should have been a sexual betting
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above Blundle with his keeping role and then the batting
sort of side of it. I would I would have
a consideration towards O'Rourke and Matt Henry taking the new
ball together because I do think that now with Tim
Soudy just dropping off a bit of power. Do I
think he's the best third seema in the country. Yes,
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I do so, He's in the top three seemas. But
what we could do Darce and I think that this
is potentially logical as well. Is that a rock bowls
downwind in Wellington because like I said, him with the
new ball, he is going to be a real handful.
And then and then Matt Henry comes up into the
wind because then Wellington you have to have that into
wind bowler, so Matt Henry can come up into it
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and then he can come back and follow o' walk
after that or vice versa. A rock bowls three and
then follows up after Henry. But Tim Soudy is going
to have to do some hard yards into the wind,
and he's done that before, so that's that into the
wind bowler is really really important or seema in Wellington.
So and then going I think Hamilton is the last test.
You know again if that if that dynamic is the
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best a dynamic with a rock and Henry opening, because
that's the most penetration that we'll get, well, then we
do that. And then having Tim saudis as first change.
There's no better first change bowler in New Zealand's even
if you take him out of opening us, he's still
he's still there and capable of performing the role. So yes,
he retains this position.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
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Speaker 2 (16:30):
Former Black Cap or Rounder Chris Can's joining us on
the program talking about where Salvi goes, who gets selected
and one has to change up ahead of the second
of three test matches in the last Test series of
the entire summer. I hate saying that, but it does
make me laugh, so I'll keep doing it for that.
(16:51):
I apologize. So interesting thoughts in there from Chris Cans
around the selection of the side, and I'd like you
to climb on him with us eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty lines are open. We can text the thoughts
to nineteen nine two z B z B A stand
does it text charge does apply. He made an interesting
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point around sentimentality when it comes to the selection of
Tim Suvey and whether that should come into the equation
when they're going about their decision as to who to
pick to go into this game, which is a must
win game they want to win the series's got to
win this game, so basing a selection on sentimentality, I
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disagree with Chris Cans here. Look, plainly, he's an international
cricket of son reputes had a fantastic career. I can
hardly play rounders, but I can't sit with them on
this one. I think it has to be a combination
of form, then experience, then SENTI mentality after that. If
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the guy is in okay form and doesn't deserve to
be not because of his ability with the ball, that's
a big plus. The huge amount of experience that he
brings to the base and reserve, when you consider the
relative lack of experience with the pace bowlers, I think
is also very important. So that's another tick, wanting to
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send him out on a high playing for his country,
not as high up in the scale for me at all.
It's a lovely thought. If he was thinking the joint up,
you wouldn't pick him regardless, right And now he's not.
He isn't. He hasn't been the salvy of old of late,
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but that's understandable because he's slightly older. But he still
is a challenging postman and he still brings a huge
amount of guile an experience to the crease. I think
it's important that that comes to the fort. If he
got slapped around for one hundred and twenty and took
no wickets, you'd say, fine, drop the guy. It wouldn't
be an issue, right, because that's the form side of it.
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Form's not bad. A couple of wickets, fine, experience huge sentimentality,
I don't know, maybe twenty percent of the selection, that's
what I think. What do you think, oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty? How big should the sentiment factor be
when it comes to picking a guy, For example, like
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Tim Survey ahead of his potential last two Test matches
for New Zealand after such an outstanding career. Chris keyn
thinks he deserves it. I think the way he's playing
right now, and for the reasons I said before experience
in the form, yes he should be there. But I
don't think you pick somebody purely based on what they've
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done previously. I don't like that. It won't happen. Instead
will perk him and he'll take wickets and ever I'll
be happy. But I'm really interested in this sentimentality versus
everything else of you that hash. Would you actually bring
Mitchell Santner in and drop South leaving Henry and O'Rourke
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and Smith gee, I don't know. It's a it's a
lot of experience gone with your seamsters, is it not.
Don't Rourke really open the bowlin Oh eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty. Give us your thoughts on that.
If you want to move around the selection process, you
can of it if you text and on that. I'm
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interested in your thoughts are around how important are are
sentimental selections versus experience versus form versus need. I'd say
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O eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. I'm not calling
for Tim Soudy to be dropped, far from it. I
want to see him keep playing for this match and
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provided and he plays well for the final match as well.
Talk around though maybe he shouldn't be there. Nathan Smith
takes his position the New Zealand Cricket Instead, they take
his retirement into consideration here. Is there any sentimental calls
around him being picked eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I
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don't think there is, and I don't think there should be,
And it sounds super harsh. And I'll go back to
raisor robertson back of the day where he didn't pick
White cricket. What would have been last game of Super
rugby for a organization, a franchise that he's served so well.
It was about winning. It's nothing about center mentality or
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whether you deserve it or not. Are you good enough
to play to give us a chance to win the
game plainly and raise his eyes? He wasn't, so he
didn't pick him. I think there's a bit more sentimentality
going on on this black cap side, but there was
a very good text here from Glenda Darcy. Garystad didn't
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allow Neil Wagner to go out on his own term,
So why should that apply to Salvie. I suppose the
big thing here is Glenda, if he's playing well, he's
got form, not the best form in the world, but
he's not stinking the joint up, okay, and he's got
the huge experience. And I think when you've got two
relatively inexperienced seamans. You need a guy like Salvi around, right.
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I won't talk about the catching of anyone, but he
does have a safe pair of mits in general. Hey, Paul,
how are you good?
Speaker 9 (23:06):
Ask?
Speaker 10 (23:06):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Ye're not so bad?
Speaker 10 (23:09):
Hey, Look, it didn't work with Warner when he announced
his retirement, and it's not going to work with Sali.
Speaker 9 (23:15):
I'm afraid Wagner.
Speaker 10 (23:20):
Well, Wagner, Well, no.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I thought you were talking about like David Warner for
a second outside, please don't No.
Speaker 10 (23:28):
Well, he announce his retirement and then they played him
through and he can score any runs. I mean, what
I'm suggesting here is once you announce your retirement, that's
really up to the selection panel to select you or
you go. And I don't think that Saldi has been
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at his best at all for quite a while, so
you know, we've got to keep moving. That's my point.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
It's interesting because when someone announces their retirement, should that
be at the very end of their career. It shouldn't
be I'm going to am I retirement around the country,
so it's it was the last teast I'm playing.
Speaker 10 (24:12):
Who Yeah, well the here I know, but they moreally
say right when this is done, I'm out. Well, it's
not their call. It's a professional sport.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
But in some cases some people they get given that rope,
they're allowed to do it because of their contribution and
previous times. But that that's probably not right. It's comforting
and cuddly, but is it right.
Speaker 10 (24:39):
No, it's not because we both get paid for jobs. Right,
So if if we're not doing the role as good
as we were and there's other people in line, we
don't turn around and say to the CEO, hey, listen,
I know I'm not going that good, but I'll retire
in three months time. You haven't got the benefit because
you're paid money. And I get a bit frustrated with
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it that yes he's been out, but he was paid
well to be outstanding, and in this case he needs
to sort of look at it and go, yez, I'm
bowling of it. And I played a few unplayable balls
in the last gest, but not a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Did he do it. Of recent times, he's done enough
to bowl himself out of the side, that's what you're saying.
And his stay of execution has been through the fact
that he was captain an ill fated journey to captain
c and then he announces retired. Are they doing him favors?
Speaker 10 (25:39):
I know they're not. They're not. And that's the other
thing you want. You want cricketers of Suzelt to go
out on a high. I just think the whole thing's
a bit messy and it needs to be addressed there.
It really does. And we've got bowlers and the other
thing is that this next test is crucial. We need
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to win the two of them to actually go through
in this tournament. So picking on who you actually quite
like is not available to stead all the other guy
that selects him, and I don't like the selection process anyway.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Paul, thanks very much for your opinion. If you want
to share your opinion like Paul, then please do free
phone nomination one O one hundred eighty ten eighty standard
text charge. You can flick us a Text's got a
few of those, but of course phone calls always to
the front of the queue.
Speaker 9 (26:31):
Hi Christ, our mate. I know we're talking about dow
there again. I would say he's had a great career.
But these young up and coming fast bowlers, but they've
already been taught to have a ruthless attitude and they've
gone through the what I would call the plunket shield
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and et cetera. Like these guys at their times shine
or not, but they've got better pace than him. And
when it comes to playing a good English betting lineup,
you know we can't have a following it one hundred
and thirty k's and just seeming then and you know
this is m fair. Well see you later. This is cutthroat.
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It's good to sport and.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
I'm not sure I go with you, Chris around the pace.
I think the pace is probably insignificant. When it comes
to accuracy and control. I think that's probably more important.
But I appreciate the pace is a scary thing that's
difficult to play, but it goes to the boundary pretty
quick too, huh.
Speaker 9 (27:34):
I agree. But it's one of those things when you've
got these young guys coming through, they will develop. The
more experience they get at the top level now, the
better we will be in the future. And it's about
bringing guys through and.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
What it is the Christopher here and now, what's it
actually about for the next test match? It's about winning.
So you pick the team that's going to give you
the best opportunity to win the game, and that's really
what the consideration has to be.
Speaker 9 (28:03):
Absolutely, I agree with you, and I don't think sow
they rings any wicket taking ability compared to the other guys,
so you might as well for the other guys the
shoes to fill. Yeah, it's like having an exciting fallback,
but you keep shucking him on the wing and finally
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he gets a fullback job and he kills the world.
Thank you Razor for finally putting Jordan fullback head or
than there.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, I knew you did. You couldn't help yourself, Chris. Hey,
we're gonna fly night. Thanks very much for your call,
eighty ten eight. If you want to make like Christian
join in the program, it's twenty two minutes to eight.
Hi Tom, what have you got for us?
Speaker 11 (28:44):
Hey? Dar say I was interested in Glenda's text, which
you know compared Saudi to Wagner. But you've got to
remember Saudi has played for New Zealand for far longer
than Wagner. That Wagner came over here later in the piece,
so he hasn't been quite as big as a servant
of New Zealand cricketers Dowdy had.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
So that for you Tom, that does that come into it.
Does the bulk of his work, the body of his work,
account for continuing in the role once you've announced to retirement.
Speaker 11 (29:14):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I think that is potentially the way
that you know this. This coaching squad looks at it,
and the selectors look at it as well. So you know,
they stick with their tried and true, don't they They're
not chopping and changing when things don't work. They're not
picking on form. So look at Will Young for example, right,
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so he has been a missive from from the playing
eleven and you know he's he's arguably our best informed
batsman coming out of India, the one player of the
series over there. Yet they stick with tried and true.
They don't like chopping and changing.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Hard then hard to get out, and that gives people
the ability to not panic when they're playing. They're free
to play the way they play knowing that they're not
on their last legs with wicket. And I think, Tom,
when you're talking about your reactionary, it's not a very
reactionary sleeps and based team, is it. They don't go
we were terrible, sack everybody the very can't.
Speaker 11 (30:15):
Yeah, it's very true, but in some instances, you know,
they're probably too slow to make those changes that need
to be made, right. And I thought we left one
hundred at least one hundred runs out there in that
first innings in christ Church, and I just thought I
would have loved to have seen Will Young there. And
I don't know, honestly exactly there's the problem.
Speaker 12 (30:40):
I knew, Yeah, I knew exactly what you're going to say.
I'm sorry, Yeah, yeah, you know, do you yeah? Do
you drop Blundell? Do you do you drop Conway? Look,
I don't have the exact answer. And I know they'll,
you know, they'll they'll stick it out. I think I
heard Gary Instead say the only the only change they're
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thinking about making is whether or not they bring a
specialist sinner. And so it looks it's that that coaching
group that not going to change. They stick with their
tried and true and we've just got to like it all,
lump it as the fans, I suppose.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
But yeah, but we can still comment on it. Tom.
That's what we buy into this stuff because we want
to have our say. No one's going to listen to us.
But I mean, if that was the case, talk about
Rady would have died decades ago.
Speaker 11 (31:24):
Point. But look, I'm looking forward to seeing how they
doers thing in the last few games. Even though he
might not give me wakeets, but the crowd's loving it.
He's been a great servant of the game, so I'm
happy for him to have his farewell tour. And to
be honest, I think we're going to get up and
I think we're going to win this next game. We
will have learned a few lessons from christ Church and
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I'm looking forward to seeing how we go.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Catch the balls. The only lesson that any more than that, Tom,
thanks very much out for calling in. I'm still sticking
them between. It is that form and experience are more
important than the sentimental touch sentimental music, isn't it. Ah.
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I think Tim will definitely be picked and I expect
that they go out with a song. Play very very well.
They're a very calm bunch of the New Zealand cricket selectors.
There's no reason that'll change. Eighteen minutes to eight sports
Stalk care of news talks eb well, well, well, the
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A League's exploded. Why has it done so? Because there's
two New Zealand teams doing very very well and they
come together on Saturday in Auckland for the second of
three derbies. That's right, three derbies Phoenix and Auckland FC.
We're going to CEO Nick Becker, find out what drives it?
What drove it? Where does success come from? What have
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you done? Did you collube with the A League to
get all these derby matches before Christmas? It's been a
tree really has Nick Becca joining us? Next here on
news Talks.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
Eb other thing that'll has the Carol that with.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Darby time again. Second and three Auckland FC hosting Wellington
photis talking the CEO now of Auckland FC, Nick Becker. Nick, welcome,
I trust.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
You well very well, Thank you Darcy. How are you?
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
No good. It's been a crazy well, it's been a
crazy couple of months since you guys have joined the
A League and now we've got to a situation where
you're more than selling out Mount Smart on the weekend.
In fact, you've had extra seats. That's wildest dream stuff, Nick, No.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
It is.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
It's it's sort of you know, if I've said this
to a couple of times, if you had asked me
to write down what the perfect start would look like,
I don't think would have been as bold.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
As to say how it is.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
So it's it's an amazing response from from all of
Auckland and Orkland f C fans to you know, we're
going to get close to eighty thousand people over our
first four home matches.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
So for me, that's incredible.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
So are there still requests now? People still going I
missed out on the thousand? You've got any more?
Speaker 8 (34:10):
Yeah? I'm getting hounded every day. It's a lot of
new friends. Mate.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Oh god, I've never been this popular daarity.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
No, it is great.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
But you know what I think, I think it's really
I mean for us go Meetia is a really good
stadium to watch football. But it's also got that atmosphere
and the fact that we've actually now got the demand
there and the scarcely that's creator around it.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
I think it's really good for the game.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
It's good for the fans that have got in there early,
especially for our members who bought all you know, they
baptist from day one and got all season of the
whole season membership, you know, and it's going to be
an amazing atmosphere come this Saturday.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
How many Phoenix fans are coming up how many did
you a lot for them or did you selfishly take
a lot of them? You don't want any black and
yellow up there in the crowd.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
No, no, no, no no. We gave them a good bay.
So I don't know the exact numbers. I think there's
about sort of eight six eight hundred in there. They
sold that out so that that'll be packed with the
yellow fever. And I think, you know, the rivalry that's
already started between them and the port's brilliant.
Speaker 8 (35:09):
I think it's brilliant for not only.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
For football fans but for general New Zealand sports fans
as well. That you know, football's at that piece that
brings the tribalism, that brings that sort of atmosphere, and.
Speaker 8 (35:20):
You want to have that passion in there.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
You want to have bragging rights for Christmas come, you know,
when you're when you're giving your mates for your family
down in Wellington. Stick for for Auckland winning both of
their first two Darbies, the.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Drive for extra capacity, it's about to get an extra
thousand people in there. Where did that come from? Was
that demand or the fact you maybe wanted to take
something else off the Phoenix which is a home record
for an A League match.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Oh no, I mean, you know, like we want to
sell as many tickets and get as many AUK and
their CEA fans in there as we can. And you know,
the great thing down at that sort of north end
is that you've got a big grassy bank there. And
we started when we were first out there at the stadium,
before we even started playing, we talked to them about
if we did sell out the three stands, the East, West,
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and South, would it be possible to put on there
and they all agreed, and so we decided to put
family tickets down there, so you could family of four
or an hour on a child, and that gives that
kind of really cool family atmosphere there. There's a fans own,
there's a big available slide down the bank, and I
you know, it's gonna be a brilliant answer. I imagine
being an eight ten year old football fan and going
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along to that game for the first time.
Speaker 8 (36:27):
It would be an incredible experience.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
As that age odo it's been rolling down the hill,
wouldn't pay any attention what's going on.
Speaker 8 (36:34):
You can go down the slide. Now you'll have to
do it.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I thank you, Nick Becker, CEO of Auckland f C
joining us. So why the demand have you done much advertising?
How much have you pushed this or how much of
this is actually organic?
Speaker 5 (36:46):
Nick Well, I think a large part of it has
been organic, and that comes from both with you look
at our hardcore fans support they created at themselves. You know,
we've encouraged it, We've asked them what can we do
to support it? But the hard work and the bringing
the community that has been done by them. I think
we've worked hard to embed ourselves into the football community
but also into the wider Auckland community as well, and
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it kind of you know, my team has done a
fantastic job and that I'm super proud of them. It
also helps that we've got a good, high profile ownership
group as well, and so people are genuinely interested in
what we're doing. Having five wins from five also really
helps Darcy.
Speaker 8 (37:23):
So you know, all of those combined.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
There's no one silver bullet, I don't think, but at
the moment things seem to be working well for us.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Telling what five from five helps. People want to see
a win and we talked about this at the start
of the season and we've talked to a number of people,
former Knights and Kings player. What do they have to do.
They've got to start off well, they've got to win.
People love winners and they'll turn up on mass And
I suppose also you've got the population base to work
with as well, and you're centrally located.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
Yeah, it's that and the growth of football in Auckland
over the last sort of five ten years as well,
Like you know, the number of kids who are playing
it now, young boys and girls in it, and the
percentage growth each year is double digits. You know, with
the boys, we'll overall it's over ten percent growth, but
especially in the girls it's up to twenty five percent.
We're really excited about bringing a women's team next year.
And then you've got that kind of broader seventy three
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clubs in the northern region, over one hundred thousand people
playing the game. It's it's the football's has taken off
and then all of the other really you know, sort
of cultures and communities coming into Auckland and there's one
thing that often ties them together and that is the
beautiful game. So yeah, I think timing for football in
the city, it just felt right to bring a professional
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club into it.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
So Nick, what happens if Auckland FC meet Wellington Phoenix
in a knockout finals game? Is there a chance of
it being taken to a place like Eden Park?
Speaker 5 (38:43):
Well To be honest that that one's outside of my
my hands ready because that what what how the A
League is structured is the finals are actually run by
the league itself. So you know the kind of Wellington
found this in terms of they got the biggest the
biggest crowd that they've ever had last season for their
semi final, but all of the all of the upside,
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the revenue of the like that goes into league offers,
so it's a sort of a bit of a bitter
sweet one. We would advise on where we think the
final should be played, and the league would probably want
the biggest outcome that they could get. Who knows is
even parkinging available all those sorts of things. I'd love
to keep it at go Media, but we'll see where
it goes.
Speaker 8 (39:25):
Let's not get too ahead of ourselves. DRC.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Tell me about the timing of the derbys. Did you
have any influence at all with the A League around
when they were going to occur? Because it's extraordinarily convenient
that you get these high energy games early in the
season to create that spark, create that want, and create
that that competition, that that rivalry. Have you had much
to do with that yourself with David Don't.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
Yeah, So both Dome and I sat down with the
league at the start of the season talked about what
good fixtures could look like for US. I mean it's
a bit of a request combined with a bit of
luck because you have to have it, you know, things
like stadium availability and the draw working out with all
the other teams have to work. But he got that
early early derby down in Wellington, which I think was
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a really good way to start the derby piece. And
then to have a return leg so soon back up
at Auckland just before that Christmas and just as you know,
the weather is starting to get nice and people are
starting to think, right, my holidays are coming on now.
You know, there's loads of kids have broken up from
school over over the next kind of this week and next.
Speaker 8 (40:27):
And to have that kind of holiday feeling happening and.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
The derby we thought it was work out really well
luckily for us that has and then just because of
a quirk of the fact that there's thirteen teams in
the league. We get a third derby on February to
twenty second as well at go Media Stadium too, so
that's going to be super exciting as well.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Thank you very much. Nick Becker, CEO of Auckland FC.
I reckon you should book the tickets for that derby
now so you get in. It's all sold outcome Saturday
seven fifty three.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Here we go again by Hello there, Welcome on into
sports talk it Tunes. The news still said, be wise decision. Yeah,
it's a Tuesday, seven after seven, third of December twenty
twenty four on Darcy Walter Grave Sport from now through
until eight o'clock tonight. A bit of cricket, a bit
of football. Nick Becker, Aucklan FC's CEO talking about the
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derby sellout, the extra seats and the like of the
draw two derbies before Christmas. How good are they involved
in that? We'll find out when Nick Beckett joins the program.
Not that that's a bad thing, it's a smart thing.
If they were football on fire currently and Auckland and
(01:17):
right across, Oh, thank you a league. When I kick
things off of Chris Can's former black Caps all round
her black Caps dairy, deary, deary me. I don't think
we need an excuse as to what happened. We will
know what happened. Forgot to use their hands are beyond
that though. What happens next. There's a movement that suggests
(01:40):
Will Young probably should have been there Why wasn't he
Does he come back in again? Is that too upsetting
for the natural order of the black Cap side? And
what do we do with Tim Southy? I'm not saying
he deserves to be dropped, but then you bring Mitch
sanderin who goes by the sword? The new guy or
the old fella? And I suppose being so long in
(02:01):
the Spikes, does he deserve to go out to the
beat his own drum and not big dropped unceremoniously just
got the head coaches, not Razer Robinson. Remember he did
that to write Crockett. That was tough in that final
of the Crusaders. Enough already, that's what we got coming up.
Your calls on eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Does Southy
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get dropped for Nathan Smith? Or does he play at
his career as I touched on there as the retirement,
does that come into his consideration? How much rope do
you give a guy on his way out. I'm not
suggesting he needs to be dropped, but replacements, replacement?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
We need Santana? Do we need him more than Nathan's.
We're going to get your calls and thoughts. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. But before that, as per,
let's do this today. We'll metch Santner climb into the
team for this week's a basin based, basin based, basin
based test match. After Nathan Lyon's fun last time out.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
It was just the one last year with a kind
of spun which is a bit of a shocker fever
one I guess when we played Australia. So we're still
not sure. But traditionally yeah, it can be quite quite
friendly for the seams early but then flatten out right.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Oh, it's heart warming. Auckland FC are making an effort
to garner as much support as possible for the second
round of New Zealand's a leg derby against the Wellington
Phoenix on Saturday. Tickets for mounts Mart's twenty five thousand
sea capacity sold out, with the North Bank opening up
for an extra thousand tickets for family. So Nick Becker, why.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
We spoke to the stageum of the weekend and they
were ready supportive of opening up that grassy bank at
the north end. We're going to just sell family tickets
there because it's obviously right above our family fan zone
flying out the door like hot cakes at the moment.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Jordy Barrett is settling into a very different rugby life
the All Blacks at second five eighths on sabbatical with
the Irish club Leinster linking up last week after the
end of year tour with the All Blacks.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
And the Royal Treatman got picked up at the airport
by Tiger Furlong and so it's great to be welcomed
by someone like that, and it's yes, it's nice to
be able to rub shoulders with a lot of boys
this week.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
What's so rall about getting picked up by Tiger Furlong?
What would he drive a range Rover or was it
a Rolls Royce or I didn't even care? And netball
is in line for a shakeup internationally. Format silver fan
Joan Hodson is all over the widespread potential change.
Speaker 7 (04:32):
Increase competition exposure. You know you're going to be able
to develop lots of players. It's really good to the
global willed acknowledgement of women's sports.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Just plenty of global tournaments, like every other sport in
the world is doing. Makes sense to me, and.
Speaker 8 (04:47):
That's sports today.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Live in past seven. Let's talk k cracket now. Chris
Kens joins us a format black cap all around her
as we take a look back and look forward at
the first and final Test series of this season. Kreskins,
Welcome to the show, mate Dusk.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Good to chat as always.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And great to have you back on. Of course you
would have been keenly enjoying what was going on in
christ Church as far as a Test cricket match is concerned,
but not the result and not what happened there. Considering
what happened in India, there was a right head scratcher
christ Church.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Wasn't it. Yeah, Well, and look I kind of agree
with what Tom Lathan said at the end of it.
They don't need to go into sort of a microscopic
analysis of what happened, like taking catches the game. The
game is completely different and then made off the back
of what occurred in India, which is quite simply, I
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think it's the greatest Test victory series victory in the
history of the game. I'm going to be fascinated to
see what happens at the Hallbergs off the back of
what that means team did in India. But bringing it
back to now, it was an aberration, that's not a
normal New Zealand fielding unit, and so you're right, it's
a head scratcher.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
It's been sluggish though in the field. When Rixton kicked
it all off and it carried on right the way through,
we're a very sharp fielding unit. It was something we
could control envy of the world, and then the last
year or so it's kind of buttoned off a wee bit.
Can you put your finger on why maybe the standards
aren't as high, or the executions the point as not
as high as it has been previously.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I don't know matter. I'm not even sure that that's
the case. I think you know, when when you drop
eight catch, I got it. I wouldn't even know when
New Zealand testing would have dropped eighty catches and never
and you know the fact that that many and then
Brooke was dropped five times. I mean he just kept
teen off and teen off and teen off, and so
for them to have done that, you know, yeah, but
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it's just it was such It was a really funny
one for me, just the field, because I thought it
was a good toss to lose. And the reason I
say that is that when you when you bowl or
bat in a Northwest in christ Church. You know it
looks green, you choose bowl. It doesn't often do as
much as what you think. So New Zealand was well
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and truly in the hunt made and Hadding seventy for
four in the first dig. And if they had have
taken catches, we could well be talking a different story.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
When somebody puts down a catch that they should have taken,
and then another one and then another one. The talk
amongst the team about how you stop that accelerating because
the fear would be there. What do you say amongst
a team around something like that, and then when you
start dropping more? Wow, what's the conversation?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Look, it's concentration. I mean they're all professional athletes. May
they've been around the game long enough they know fielding
is just a given, you know, those basic fundamentals, and
so it just it simply just comes down to concentration.
So for there to be that many eerrors, Look, it
is a funny scene ground there because you've got that
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tightly packed crowd in a sort of a bank scenario.
So look, there's enough around there. But it's no excuse.
I mean they've played there, you know, many many times.
But yeah, I just I don't think they can get
too carried away with the analytics of it. They feel
they train hard enough, so it's it's yeah, it's a
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it's an anomaly, but one that needs to be rectified.
But saying that, when you're when you're in a group
that's dropping catches, you do get to the scenario where
it's like Jesus hop it doesn't come to me and you.
So there is a little bit of that. But look,
as I said, they're all you know, they're all professional cricketers,
they know what they're doing, and I know I've got
confidence made that they'll bounce back in the field.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
And anomaly. We'll leave it at that. Let's go to
the test coming up and one like look Hagley oval.
In fact, we are blessed with beautiful ovals here in
New Zealand. It's so good from the concrete jungle days
actually having ovals and you can't really go past what
will be the magnificence of a Kawa studded base and reserve.
The discussion now, Chris Kens, is around what do we
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do with the team. It's interesting because it will take spin.
Mitt Santner has now been hauled in That means one
of four seamans will likely go. Most people think Smith
the new guy, will go. There's a thought that it
may be Salvy. How do you make that decision?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, Look, I thought Gary Stead got it wrong, and
he doesn't often get it wrong. I thought he got
it wrong by not playing Will Young in christ Church
more so made off the bat that he had earned
his place in the side, off his performance in the
three Tests in India, and so for the player of
the series to then come back to christ Church and
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be dropped from the side, I just I just don't
know internally the dynamic or how the team sort of
feels about that, and the fact that I, like I said, mate,
I thought he earned his place. So whether Conway made
way or you didn't play the extra Seema and Smith
and you kept a longer batting lineup, But for Young
to be left out, I think just it sort of
(10:03):
just sent the wrong message about who New Zealand was
and and may Will Young earns his place, right, That's
what That's what I felt. But but look, didn't play
lost the test. Now they've come to Wellington, as you say,
there's talk of Soud they're missing out, but he can't,
you know, I he deserves to play the next next
two tests regardless. I mean, you know, it's a and
that's just the way it is. And I and that's
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you know, and I've been a bit sentimental probably, yeah,
But for someone to have given as much service and
done as much as he's done, he deserves, he deserves
his final two tests. So so he's a given, right,
He's a lock. Henry's a lock. A Rock is going
to He's going to be a superstar. There's no two
ways about it. He's going to be a superstar. So
so for me, Smith makes way for Santana. But the
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issue becomes, you know, do you persevere with an out
a form Conway? And so these are the decisions that
Gary said will have to sort of look at And
do you look at a tired Tom Blundle. He does
look tired with his footwork behind the stumps made. He's
falling over at the crease when he's batting, he's moving
across his stumps, so he's not looking as sharp as
as what he has done in the past. So do
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you put him at seven and Phillips the sixth? So
I think there's going to be some tweaks with what
the unit is, but can they win absolutely? Can they
win the series two one? Absolutely? So they're not done
in dusted by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Chris Kian's a theory that has floated around good teams
for a long time and it's been definitely in place
for the black Caps. Is it's very hard to get
in and it's very hard to get out. So when
you look at the case you've been mentioning, now, I
think the swap around with Blundell and Phillips is pretty logical,
but maybe Conway and Young is that a little cruel
to trigger him Now? I think that they're more than
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likely to give him a bit more rope before the
end of the season. But that's another difficult decision. Where
do you intend on that one?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yeah, yeah, it is. If they were going to do it, mate,
they should have done in the first test to give
because Young, off the back of his Player of the
Series performance, make a tough call and say to Conway, look,
go back to domestic cricket and get some formed back
because he's reaching for the ball, his hands aren't quit.
He doesn't sort of know where his hands are at
the moment. So that was the chance starts to bring
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young in now that they or now that they didn't.
And look, we're analyzing things off the back of New
Zealand's greatest ever Tessa is when Gary Stead has got
a wonderful credential or credentials with what he's done. He's
a smart operator. But now he's under the pump because
you know, and this will be the true character of
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this side to bounce back. And I believe they can
do it. There's no two ways about it. But there
are a couple of tweaks that are required. But just
coming back to your point of circling back, it is
the hallmark of a good side that it is harder
to get out of the side than to get in.
And I remember Mark Wore sort of talking to me,
you know, in that great Ossie sort of late nineties
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two thousand sort of side where you know, he sort
of said that they always had the confidence to fail.
He knew that it wasn't going to be a couple
of run of low scores that was going to get
them out of the side. They they they had the
confidence to fail. And when you have that, I mean,
you know, you have a good unit, but you've got
to stay. You've got to stay true to that. So
so if they bounce back from what would be such
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a disappointing performance in christ Church and win this next test,
which they can do, then their back.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
On track confidence to fail. Interesting theory. That was that
amazing era with the psychological disintegration of the answer, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, there's well, Steve war I mean they had a
wonderful side. And look, we had a series over there
in two thousand and two thousand and one, two thousand
and two and two I think, and that was Shane
Bond's first series and you know we drew nil all
against you know, an amazing aussy side. We had a
tough little a good little side actually, and but you
know we also had a good hub at that stage
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of players, you know, who knew their game and again
you know, getting consistency of selection. And it's a good saying,
you know, to have the confidence to fail.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
And you would like to see sow they retain his
place too, And I want to expand on that. You
say he deserves it because of his career. How long
does that last?
Speaker 8 (14:18):
For?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
How long do you give a guy that rope? He's
only got two tests to go? Is it? Fado complete.
Is that necessarily the right way to go. Look, he
hasn't played poorly. I'm not saying he has. But this
whole concept of you've been never so long, we're going
to let you bow it on your terms. How comfortable
with that?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, that's good. It's a good point and so and
look it's a Test match, right, so we're not So
I'm being mindful of just saying, you know, he's he's
in there regardless what I do think it's a bit
of a tweak. Actually, so as much as we're talking
about Phillips and Blundle swapping around, because I thought over
the last year that should have been the scenario anyway.
I thought that Phillips should have been a sexual betting
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above Blundle with his keeping role and then the batting
sort of side of it. I would I would have
a consideration towards O'Rourke and Matt Henry taking the new
ball together because I do think that now with Tim
Soudy just dropping off a bit of power. Do I
think he's the best third seema in the country. Yes,
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I do so, He's in the top three seemas. But
what we could do Darce and I think that this
is potentially logical as well. Is that a rock bowls
downwind in Wellington because like I said, him with the
new ball, he is going to be a real handful.
And then and then Matt Henry comes up into the
wind because then Wellington you have to have that into
wind bowler, so Matt Henry can come up into it
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and then he can come back and follow o' walk
after that or vice versa. A rock bowls three and
then follows up after Henry. But Tim Soudy is going
to have to do some hard yards into the wind,
and he's done that before, so that's that into the
wind bowler is really really important or seema in Wellington.
So and then going I think Hamilton is the last test.
You know again if that if that dynamic is the
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best a dynamic with a rock and Henry opening, because
that's the most penetration that we'll get, well, then we
do that. And then having Tim saudis as first change.
There's no better first change bowler in New Zealand's even
if you take him out of opening us, he's still
he's still there and capable of performing the role. So yes,
he retains this position.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
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Speaker 2 (16:30):
Former Black Cap or Rounder Chris Can's joining us on
the program talking about where Salvi goes, who gets selected
and one has to change up ahead of the second
of three test matches in the last Test series of
the entire summer. I hate saying that, but it does
make me laugh, so I'll keep doing it for that.
(16:51):
I apologize. So interesting thoughts in there from Chris Cans
around the selection of the side, and I'd like you
to climb on him with us eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty lines are open. We can text the thoughts
to nineteen nine two z B z B A stand
does it text charge does apply. He made an interesting
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point around sentimentality when it comes to the selection of
Tim Suvey and whether that should come into the equation
when they're going about their decision as to who to
pick to go into this game, which is a must
win game they want to win the series's got to
win this game, so basing a selection on sentimentality, I
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disagree with Chris Cans here. Look, plainly, he's an international
cricket of son reputes had a fantastic career. I can
hardly play rounders, but I can't sit with them on
this one. I think it has to be a combination
of form, then experience, then SENTI mentality after that. If
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the guy is in okay form and doesn't deserve to
be not because of his ability with the ball, that's
a big plus. The huge amount of experience that he
brings to the base and reserve, when you consider the
relative lack of experience with the pace bowlers, I think
is also very important. So that's another tick, wanting to
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send him out on a high playing for his country,
not as high up in the scale for me at all.
It's a lovely thought. If he was thinking the joint up,
you wouldn't pick him regardless, right And now he's not.
He isn't. He hasn't been the salvy of old of late,
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but that's understandable because he's slightly older. But he still
is a challenging postman and he still brings a huge
amount of guile an experience to the crease. I think
it's important that that comes to the fort. If he
got slapped around for one hundred and twenty and took
no wickets, you'd say, fine, drop the guy. It wouldn't
be an issue, right, because that's the form side of it.
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Form's not bad. A couple of wickets, fine, experience huge sentimentality,
I don't know, maybe twenty percent of the selection, that's
what I think. What do you think, oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty? How big should the sentiment factor be
when it comes to picking a guy, For example, like
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Tim Survey ahead of his potential last two Test matches
for New Zealand after such an outstanding career. Chris keyn
thinks he deserves it. I think the way he's playing
right now, and for the reasons I said before experience
in the form, yes he should be there. But I
don't think you pick somebody purely based on what they've
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done previously. I don't like that. It won't happen. Instead
will perk him and he'll take wickets and ever I'll
be happy. But I'm really interested in this sentimentality versus
everything else of you that hash. Would you actually bring
Mitchell Santner in and drop South leaving Henry and O'Rourke
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and Smith gee, I don't know. It's a it's a
lot of experience gone with your seamsters, is it not.
Don't Rourke really open the bowlin Oh eight one hundred
and eighty ten eighty. Give us your thoughts on that.
If you want to move around the selection process, you
can of it if you text and on that. I'm
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interested in your thoughts are around how important are are
sentimental selections versus experience versus form versus need. I'd say
not very twenty seven minutes after seven is supports talk
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Tuesday evenings that are December twenty twenty four. Lines are open.
O eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. I'm not calling
for Tim Soudy to be dropped, far from it. I
want to see him keep playing for this match and
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provided and he plays well for the final match as well.
Talk around though maybe he shouldn't be there. Nathan Smith
takes his position the New Zealand Cricket Instead, they take
his retirement into consideration here. Is there any sentimental calls
around him being picked eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I
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don't think there is, and I don't think there should be,
And it sounds super harsh. And I'll go back to
raisor robertson back of the day where he didn't pick
White cricket. What would have been last game of Super
rugby for a organization, a franchise that he's served so well.
It was about winning. It's nothing about center mentality or
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whether you deserve it or not. Are you good enough
to play to give us a chance to win the
game plainly and raise his eyes? He wasn't, so he
didn't pick him. I think there's a bit more sentimentality
going on on this black cap side, but there was
a very good text here from Glenda Darcy. Garystad didn't
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allow Neil Wagner to go out on his own term,
So why should that apply to Salvie. I suppose the
big thing here is Glenda, if he's playing well, he's
got form, not the best form in the world, but
he's not stinking the joint up, okay, and he's got
the huge experience. And I think when you've got two
relatively inexperienced seamans. You need a guy like Salvi around, right.
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I won't talk about the catching of anyone, but he
does have a safe pair of mits in general. Hey, Paul,
how are you good?
Speaker 9 (23:06):
Ask?
Speaker 10 (23:06):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Ye're not so bad?
Speaker 10 (23:09):
Hey, Look, it didn't work with Warner when he announced
his retirement, and it's not going to work with Sali.
Speaker 9 (23:15):
I'm afraid Wagner.
Speaker 10 (23:20):
Well, Wagner, Well, no.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I thought you were talking about like David Warner for
a second outside, please don't No.
Speaker 10 (23:28):
Well, he announce his retirement and then they played him
through and he can score any runs. I mean, what
I'm suggesting here is once you announce your retirement, that's
really up to the selection panel to select you or
you go. And I don't think that Saldi has been
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at his best at all for quite a while, so
you know, we've got to keep moving. That's my point.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
It's interesting because when someone announces their retirement, should that
be at the very end of their career. It shouldn't
be I'm going to am I retirement around the country,
so it's it was the last teast I'm playing.
Speaker 10 (24:12):
Who Yeah, well the here I know, but they moreally
say right when this is done, I'm out. Well, it's
not their call. It's a professional sport.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
But in some cases some people they get given that rope,
they're allowed to do it because of their contribution and
previous times. But that that's probably not right. It's comforting
and cuddly, but is it right.
Speaker 10 (24:39):
No, it's not because we both get paid for jobs. Right,
So if if we're not doing the role as good
as we were and there's other people in line, we
don't turn around and say to the CEO, hey, listen,
I know I'm not going that good, but I'll retire
in three months time. You haven't got the benefit because
you're paid money. And I get a bit frustrated with
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it that yes he's been out, but he was paid
well to be outstanding, and in this case he needs
to sort of look at it and go, yez, I'm
bowling of it. And I played a few unplayable balls
in the last gest, but not a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Did he do it. Of recent times, he's done enough
to bowl himself out of the side, that's what you're saying.
And his stay of execution has been through the fact
that he was captain an ill fated journey to captain
c and then he announces retired. Are they doing him favors?
Speaker 10 (25:39):
I know they're not. They're not. And that's the other
thing you want. You want cricketers of Suzelt to go
out on a high. I just think the whole thing's
a bit messy and it needs to be addressed there.
It really does. And we've got bowlers and the other
thing is that this next test is crucial. We need
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to win the two of them to actually go through
in this tournament. So picking on who you actually quite
like is not available to stead all the other guy
that selects him, and I don't like the selection process anyway.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Paul, thanks very much for your opinion. If you want
to share your opinion like Paul, then please do free
phone nomination one O one hundred eighty ten eighty standard
text charge. You can flick us a Text's got a
few of those, but of course phone calls always to
the front of the queue.
Speaker 9 (26:31):
Hi Christ, our mate. I know we're talking about dow
there again. I would say he's had a great career.
But these young up and coming fast bowlers, but they've
already been taught to have a ruthless attitude and they've
gone through the what I would call the plunket shield
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and et cetera. Like these guys at their times shine
or not, but they've got better pace than him. And
when it comes to playing a good English betting lineup,
you know we can't have a following it one hundred
and thirty k's and just seeming then and you know
this is m fair. Well see you later. This is cutthroat.
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It's good to sport and.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
I'm not sure I go with you, Chris around the pace.
I think the pace is probably insignificant. When it comes
to accuracy and control. I think that's probably more important.
But I appreciate the pace is a scary thing that's
difficult to play, but it goes to the boundary pretty
quick too, huh.
Speaker 9 (27:34):
I agree. But it's one of those things when you've
got these young guys coming through, they will develop. The
more experience they get at the top level now, the
better we will be in the future. And it's about
bringing guys through and.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
What it is the Christopher here and now, what's it
actually about for the next test match? It's about winning.
So you pick the team that's going to give you
the best opportunity to win the game, and that's really
what the consideration has to be.
Speaker 9 (28:03):
Absolutely, I agree with you, and I don't think sow
they rings any wicket taking ability compared to the other guys,
so you might as well for the other guys the
shoes to fill. Yeah, it's like having an exciting fallback,
but you keep shucking him on the wing and finally
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he gets a fullback job and he kills the world.
Thank you Razor for finally putting Jordan fullback head or
than there.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, I knew you did. You couldn't help yourself, Chris. Hey,
we're gonna fly night. Thanks very much for your call,
eighty ten eight. If you want to make like Christian
join in the program, it's twenty two minutes to eight.
Hi Tom, what have you got for us?
Speaker 11 (28:44):
Hey? Dar say I was interested in Glenda's text, which
you know compared Saudi to Wagner. But you've got to
remember Saudi has played for New Zealand for far longer
than Wagner. That Wagner came over here later in the piece,
so he hasn't been quite as big as a servant
of New Zealand cricketers Dowdy had.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
So that for you Tom, that does that come into it.
Does the bulk of his work, the body of his work,
account for continuing in the role once you've announced to retirement.
Speaker 11 (29:14):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I think that is potentially the way
that you know this. This coaching squad looks at it,
and the selectors look at it as well. So you know,
they stick with their tried and true, don't they They're
not chopping and changing when things don't work. They're not
picking on form. So look at Will Young for example, right,
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so he has been a missive from from the playing
eleven and you know he's he's arguably our best informed
batsman coming out of India, the one player of the
series over there. Yet they stick with tried and true.
They don't like chopping and changing.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Hard then hard to get out, and that gives people
the ability to not panic when they're playing. They're free
to play the way they play knowing that they're not
on their last legs with wicket. And I think, Tom,
when you're talking about your reactionary, it's not a very
reactionary sleeps and based team, is it. They don't go
we were terrible, sack everybody the very can't.
Speaker 11 (30:15):
Yeah, it's very true, but in some instances, you know,
they're probably too slow to make those changes that need
to be made, right. And I thought we left one
hundred at least one hundred runs out there in that
first innings in christ Church, and I just thought I
would have loved to have seen Will Young there. And
I don't know, honestly exactly there's the problem.
Speaker 12 (30:40):
I knew, Yeah, I knew exactly what you're going to say.
I'm sorry, Yeah, yeah, you know, do you yeah? Do
you drop Blundell? Do you do you drop Conway? Look,
I don't have the exact answer. And I know they'll,
you know, they'll they'll stick it out. I think I
heard Gary Instead say the only the only change they're
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thinking about making is whether or not they bring a
specialist sinner. And so it looks it's that that coaching
group that not going to change. They stick with their
tried and true and we've just got to like it all,
lump it as the fans, I suppose.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
But yeah, but we can still comment on it. Tom.
That's what we buy into this stuff because we want
to have our say. No one's going to listen to us.
But I mean, if that was the case, talk about
Rady would have died decades ago.
Speaker 11 (31:24):
Point. But look, I'm looking forward to seeing how they
doers thing in the last few games. Even though he
might not give me wakeets, but the crowd's loving it.
He's been a great servant of the game, so I'm
happy for him to have his farewell tour. And to
be honest, I think we're going to get up and
I think we're going to win this next game. We
will have learned a few lessons from christ Church and
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I'm looking forward to seeing how we go.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Catch the balls. The only lesson that any more than that, Tom,
thanks very much out for calling in. I'm still sticking
them between. It is that form and experience are more
important than the sentimental touch sentimental music, isn't it. Ah.
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I think Tim will definitely be picked and I expect
that they go out with a song. Play very very well.
They're a very calm bunch of the New Zealand cricket selectors.
There's no reason that'll change. Eighteen minutes to eight sports
Stalk care of news talks eb well, well, well, the
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A League's exploded. Why has it done so? Because there's
two New Zealand teams doing very very well and they
come together on Saturday in Auckland for the second of
three derbies. That's right, three derbies Phoenix and Auckland FC.
We're going to CEO Nick Becker, find out what drives it?
What drove it? Where does success come from? What have
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you done? Did you collube with the A League to
get all these derby matches before Christmas? It's been a
tree really has Nick Becca joining us? Next here on
news Talks.
Speaker 8 (33:00):
Eb other thing that'll has the Carol that with.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Darby time again. Second and three Auckland FC hosting Wellington
photis talking the CEO now of Auckland FC, Nick Becker. Nick, welcome,
I trust.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
You well very well, Thank you Darcy. How are you?
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
No good. It's been a crazy well, it's been a
crazy couple of months since you guys have joined the
A League and now we've got to a situation where
you're more than selling out Mount Smart on the weekend.
In fact, you've had extra seats. That's wildest dream stuff, Nick, No.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
It is.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
It's it's sort of you know, if I've said this
to a couple of times, if you had asked me
to write down what the perfect start would look like,
I don't think would have been as bold.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
As to say how it is.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
So it's it's an amazing response from from all of
Auckland and Orkland f C fans to you know, we're
going to get close to eighty thousand people over our
first four home matches.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
So for me, that's incredible.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
So are there still requests now? People still going I
missed out on the thousand? You've got any more?
Speaker 8 (34:10):
Yeah? I'm getting hounded every day. It's a lot of
new friends. Mate.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Oh god, I've never been this popular daarity.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
No, it is great.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
But you know what I think, I think it's really
I mean for us go Meetia is a really good
stadium to watch football. But it's also got that atmosphere
and the fact that we've actually now got the demand
there and the scarcely that's creator around it.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
I think it's really good for the game.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
It's good for the fans that have got in there early,
especially for our members who bought all you know, they
baptist from day one and got all season of the
whole season membership, you know, and it's going to be
an amazing atmosphere come this Saturday.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
How many Phoenix fans are coming up how many did
you a lot for them or did you selfishly take
a lot of them? You don't want any black and
yellow up there in the crowd.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
No, no, no, no no. We gave them a good bay.
So I don't know the exact numbers. I think there's
about sort of eight six eight hundred in there. They
sold that out so that that'll be packed with the
yellow fever. And I think, you know, the rivalry that's
already started between them and the port's brilliant.
Speaker 8 (35:09):
I think it's brilliant for not only.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
For football fans but for general New Zealand sports fans
as well. That you know, football's at that piece that
brings the tribalism, that brings that sort of atmosphere, and.
Speaker 8 (35:20):
You want to have that passion in there.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
You want to have bragging rights for Christmas come, you know,
when you're when you're giving your mates for your family
down in Wellington. Stick for for Auckland winning both of
their first two Darbies, the.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Drive for extra capacity, it's about to get an extra
thousand people in there. Where did that come from? Was
that demand or the fact you maybe wanted to take
something else off the Phoenix which is a home record
for an A League match.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Oh no, I mean, you know, like we want to
sell as many tickets and get as many AUK and
their CEA fans in there as we can. And you know,
the great thing down at that sort of north end
is that you've got a big grassy bank there. And
we started when we were first out there at the stadium,
before we even started playing, we talked to them about
if we did sell out the three stands, the East, West,
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and South, would it be possible to put on there
and they all agreed, and so we decided to put
family tickets down there, so you could family of four
or an hour on a child, and that gives that
kind of really cool family atmosphere there. There's a fans own,
there's a big available slide down the bank, and I
you know, it's gonna be a brilliant answer. I imagine
being an eight ten year old football fan and going
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along to that game for the first time.
Speaker 8 (36:27):
It would be an incredible experience.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
As that age odo it's been rolling down the hill,
wouldn't pay any attention what's going on.
Speaker 8 (36:34):
You can go down the slide. Now you'll have to
do it.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I thank you, Nick Becker, CEO of Auckland f C
joining us. So why the demand have you done much advertising?
How much have you pushed this or how much of
this is actually organic?
Speaker 5 (36:46):
Nick Well, I think a large part of it has
been organic, and that comes from both with you look
at our hardcore fans support they created at themselves. You know,
we've encouraged it, We've asked them what can we do
to support it? But the hard work and the bringing
the community that has been done by them. I think
we've worked hard to embed ourselves into the football community
but also into the wider Auckland community as well, and
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it kind of you know, my team has done a
fantastic job and that I'm super proud of them. It
also helps that we've got a good, high profile ownership
group as well, and so people are genuinely interested in
what we're doing. Having five wins from five also really
helps Darcy.
Speaker 8 (37:23):
So you know, all of those combined.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
There's no one silver bullet, I don't think, but at
the moment things seem to be working well for us.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Telling what five from five helps. People want to see
a win and we talked about this at the start
of the season and we've talked to a number of people,
former Knights and Kings player. What do they have to do.
They've got to start off well, they've got to win.
People love winners and they'll turn up on mass And
I suppose also you've got the population base to work
with as well, and you're centrally located.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
Yeah, it's that and the growth of football in Auckland
over the last sort of five ten years as well,
Like you know, the number of kids who are playing
it now, young boys and girls in it, and the
percentage growth each year is double digits. You know, with
the boys, we'll overall it's over ten percent growth, but
especially in the girls it's up to twenty five percent.
We're really excited about bringing a women's team next year.
And then you've got that kind of broader seventy three
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clubs in the northern region, over one hundred thousand people
playing the game. It's it's the football's has taken off
and then all of the other really you know, sort
of cultures and communities coming into Auckland and there's one
thing that often ties them together and that is the
beautiful game. So yeah, I think timing for football in
the city, it just felt right to bring a professional
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club into it.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
So Nick, what happens if Auckland FC meet Wellington Phoenix
in a knockout finals game? Is there a chance of
it being taken to a place like Eden Park?
Speaker 5 (38:43):
Well To be honest that that one's outside of my
my hands ready because that what what how the A
League is structured is the finals are actually run by
the league itself. So you know the kind of Wellington
found this in terms of they got the biggest the
biggest crowd that they've ever had last season for their
semi final, but all of the all of the upside,
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the revenue of the like that goes into league offers,
so it's a sort of a bit of a bitter
sweet one. We would advise on where we think the
final should be played, and the league would probably want
the biggest outcome that they could get. Who knows is
even parkinging available all those sorts of things. I'd love
to keep it at go Media, but we'll see where
it goes.
Speaker 8 (39:25):
Let's not get too ahead of ourselves. DRC.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Tell me about the timing of the derbys. Did you
have any influence at all with the A League around
when they were going to occur? Because it's extraordinarily convenient
that you get these high energy games early in the
season to create that spark, create that want, and create
that that competition, that that rivalry. Have you had much
to do with that yourself with David Don't.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
Yeah, So both Dome and I sat down with the
league at the start of the season talked about what
good fixtures could look like for US. I mean it's
a bit of a request combined with a bit of
luck because you have to have it, you know, things
like stadium availability and the draw working out with all
the other teams have to work. But he got that
early early derby down in Wellington, which I think was
(40:11):
a really good way to start the derby piece. And
then to have a return leg so soon back up
at Auckland just before that Christmas and just as you know,
the weather is starting to get nice and people are
starting to think, right, my holidays are coming on now.
You know, there's loads of kids have broken up from
school over over the next kind of this week and next.
Speaker 8 (40:27):
And to have that kind of holiday feeling happening and.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
The derby we thought it was work out really well
luckily for us that has and then just because of
a quirk of the fact that there's thirteen teams in
the league. We get a third derby on February to
twenty second as well at go Media Stadium too, so
that's going to be super exciting as well.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Thank you very much. Nick Becker, CEO of Auckland FC.
I reckon you should book the tickets for that derby
now so you get in. It's all sold outcome Saturday
seven fifty three.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
This is News Talk ZB.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
With you.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
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