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calls planning on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. That
is the point of this hour's broadcast. And that's on
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the back of Chris Cans who joins us surely our
former black Caps all rounder. Of course, the conversation around
maybe the Soup smashed and maybe the Big Bash joining
forces for a trans Tasman competition. It happens in another
sport why wouldn't it happen in cricket? And I'd be
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interested in your opinion on this one. The pros and
the comms, the differences between the smash and the bash,
and could we combine them into a clash and the
hold on that's ready been taken. Damn. We'll work something
through anyway, Chris cans. It joins us, surely. But before
we do that, let's do this today. Sport today, the
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Winter Games is no more. The Southern Lakes based annual
snowsport events run out of money. Amongst other financial pressures,
the euro has driven the cost of prize money and
the sanctioning fees of the draw card events pretty much
through the roof snow sport in New Zeland. Boston At
Kabana said, another Southern Hemisphere nation is unlikely to pick
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up when New Zealand left off.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
It won't be a Southern Hemisphere country. It won't be
New Zealand, Australia or Argentina as to speak, but another
country like Canada, the US or somewhere in Europe. They
might potentially run a double heater.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Second seeded women's player in the Australian Open is bracing
herself for the inevitable and tonight's semi final versus the
American mediicine keys. Poland's eager sh Filon Tech knows the
drill at this level.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I need to be ready for that and be proactive
and also good in defense.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
I guess in samis if you play against any opponents,
they deserve to beat her. So it's going to be
tough no matter what.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Why fair Maddie Green has put in an influential performance
as her Auckland side whipped the Otago Wahana by twenty
five runs in the Super Smash today and I'm beaten
fifty four and two for ten from two did the trick.
But she shouldn't have bowled.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Yeah, I think I only get acause people see me
in the eyes light up and model white man. Not
usually at the bowl increase, but obviously with Amy going
down today, I just had to bowl a few others
and that's okay.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And Sir Lewis Hamilton has finally put his foot down
on a ferrari aheah about time. Listen to this and
that's sport today coming up eleven minutes after seven. Let's
talk the combination of the Super Smash and Big Bash
(03:51):
if we could Chris Ken's join us for a black
cap all round her would love to see them at
Peered Up, he joins us now to discuss that, and
the I suppose product comparison joins us now, Chris Ken's
welcome to the show. How does us You will looking
forward to a great twenty twenty five and some wonderful
cricket and all your focus currently is about the T
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twenty game, the combination between Australia and New Zealand, the
Big Bash and the Super Smash. Why is this not
a team? Why is this not the same sport?
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (04:26):
Why is it not a thing?
Speaker 8 (04:28):
I agree to look over that whole Christmas New Year period.
I mean, there was obviously that New Zealand England series,
and then we had a you know, just a delightful
series with the Indians and Aussies over there, and then
it's rolled into the Big Bash and of course the
New Zealand comp But look, I mean, I've got to
be honest, I haven't seen any of the New Zealand
(04:51):
comp I just you know, it's sort of downplayed a bit,
and you know, the Big Bash seems to be the
premiere property on TV. But I think I'm not sure
if I've talked to you about it before, but you know,
I've often questioned why, you know, why our players aren't
in the comp And you know, if we look at
(05:12):
the soccer that occurs with Wellington and Auckland involved in
the Australian comp we look obviously with the Warriors and
and what they what they do and what they have,
and then we've got Super Rugby. But for some reason,
cricket seems to be lagging. And I don't know whether
that's a cricket Australia thing mate that is perhaps not
as forthcoming as what New Zealand cricket wanted to be.
But it sort of makes sense to have not I
(05:33):
don't I don't think there should be one team. I'd
have two. I'd have an Auckland team an a Custis
team in it.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
So what does this stand to gain for the Australians.
I suppose that's what you're going to look at. What's
in it for them? Well?
Speaker 8 (05:45):
Five million people. I mean, it's a it's a market
right at the end of the day. And I think
it strengthens the competition too, because I do think at
the moment and this is another thing that I've often
wondered about about how New Zealand is a classed as
international players are going over to play in Aussie and
the Big Bash. But you know all the other leagues
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and and teams that operate in the Winter Coats that
seem to embrace New Zealanders within their outfit and they
have numerous players. Look, we know that the All Blacks
have an issue with players playing outside of New Zealand,
and you know, and they can't wear the black jersey
if they head away. But from a cricketing perspective, you know,
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if you took out, for example, there's eight Big Bash teams, right,
so if you took out, so that's eighty eight players
who are playing first and foremost if you took out
the lack of a better term, the worst twenty players.
So if you injected the best twenty New Zealand players
into that competition as it currently stands, the level of
quality and the level of play would raise straight away overnight. So,
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you know, having New Zealanders in that comp but then
opening it up to having New Zealand teams into the
camp as well. At the moment, they've got eight teams
at play ten games. They could easily have ten or
eleven teams and still play ten games for each other one.
Speaker 9 (07:07):
So look at the.
Speaker 8 (07:08):
Theories all there why it hasn't been explored. Look, I'm
sure they're talking about it, but yeah, I just find
it astounding that, you know, they're not talking about it
more and moving towards a solution to get New Zealand
or New Zealand teams into the big batch.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I think Christians is fair to say New Zealand cricket
have been very front forward. They really have been right
the way through the last few years, so they probably
are thinking about it. I'm suspecting that the effect on
the local game and how that would affect suppose gait
income crowds who can go regularly over the summer period
to these matches, that would probably be first and foremost putting,
(07:43):
as I say, the fan at the scene of the
room and worrying about their own backyard.
Speaker 8 (07:48):
Yeah, a good point, although it has it A guest
does that. I don't know if the smash would run
at the profit man, I would guess it would run
the loss when you look at the costs involved in
the travel, all the requirements for compliance at a ground,
what they charge to get into the gate. You know,
I'd be really interested to have a look and see
(08:09):
what the plus minus is on the Smash itself as
a competition. And so you know what would happen if
we had teams in the Big Bash will again probably
similar to what happens here at a national level for
soccer or for rugby league. There are competitions that exist.
I mean, if I'm running two teams in the Big
Bash from a New Zealand perspective, and the look, there's
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two great brands just sitting there in the Auckland Bass
and the Cannery Wizards. Right, So if those two teams
advance into the Big Bash, we still run the T
twenty competition, but take it to the holiday places, take
it to Nelson and take it to the Mount and
you know, take it to New Plymouth around that summertime
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Christmas period and you know the players in that competition
does there's a pathway for them to get into the
Big Bash. So I don't see it as a negative.
It just yeah, it just has to be thought through.
But as I say, you've got two great franchises, the
Aces and the Woods is sitting there waiting to be
injected into the big bash are.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And look at the venue. I've been down Christias recently.
I've looked this huge car stadium being developed that's screaming
out for pat stands for T twenty. Could they do that?
Speaker 7 (09:23):
And there is it too?
Speaker 9 (09:26):
Yeah, although it's all that's probably about the size of
the Eaton Park like but I but I, you know,
it's a specific rugby stadium from what I can see,
and look, all credit to the council for doing it.
Looks spectacular, But.
Speaker 8 (09:40):
No, Hagley is waiting. I would have the South Island
franchise and as a as a Canterbury Wizards playing a
game down in Dunedin and also a game in Nelson.
You would have the Auckland franchise playing a game in
Wellington as well as a game in Hamilton and the
majority in Auckland. Much like the Sydney thunderdo they play
(10:01):
their games at the CG and sorry this no sorry,
The Thunder play out in the West and then they
also play in Camera, so they have sort of these
outgrounds that some of the teams do. So yeah, look,
you're only adding to further New Zealand teams into a
model that's already functioning and existing. But I think it
(10:23):
strengthens both the brand for Australian cricket and New Zealand cricket.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Details whise, Chris Kens, would you open these two franchises
up to all the Australians as well? Will they essentially
become the same as as the Sixers, all the thunder
as far as who can they employ?
Speaker 8 (10:39):
Yeah, on dred percent. Again, we're just using the NRL model, right,
It's just the opportunity for some Australian players to come
and play out here, you know, if the franchise wants
to do that. But given New Zealand sort of cricket
schedule now seems to sort of follow the Australian schedule
Dace where it sort of stops after that Boxer sort
(11:01):
of the New Year's Test in Sydney and then and
then sort of picks up whether it be in every
or whatnot. So there is that that window. I mean
much rather personally, I mean, Martin Guptell's playing you know
here in that smash car. I'd much rather stand plane
than the big Bash, you know, like I mean, and
the other New Zealand players that are sitting out get
them into that comp you know, there's great international players.
(11:24):
The TV contracts are going to be to be worth more,
the players are going to be paid more. So there's
upside for everybody. And look like I'm sure they're talking
about this. The administrators would have to be doing that,
but it's just a case of how they do it.
But you know, putting a can every team and an
orphan teament, I mean it just makes a whole lot
of sense.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Really, you're talking venues before Chris Kean's big enough to
hold something like that. If we had a whole lot
of crasht Australian players coming over here with the cream
New Usealum players too, we're not talking six thousand people here,
are we.
Speaker 8 (11:55):
No, And look, I think New Zealand has you know,
Hagley has a it's a boutique ground and it's a
it's a beautiful ground, it's a lovely ground. But you know,
for that to be utilized, that's it's sort of I
mean Bloodstone down in Hobart is well no, I don't
thing it's called blunt. So now it's called Ninja and.
Speaker 9 (12:15):
So they they've got a slightly bigger study. But that's
quite Britique.
Speaker 8 (12:19):
They've got the grass bank there and you know, I
don't think Hagley Oval was out of place in that
camp at all. And you know whether you play at
Eden Park that there would be a decision that needs
to be made. But you know, having as I said,
having an Auckland and a Cannabory franchise in the Big
Bash as it expands, but still keeping you know, I think.
Speaker 9 (12:37):
The Big Bash has got a good.
Speaker 8 (12:42):
Program at the moment, for they start in mid December
and finishing the school holidays. You know they've tweaked it
and tried different variations before, but the fans are sort
of you know, signaled with their feet where things are at.
And you know Perth gets an unbelievable following over there
in the West, and you know the teams will be traveling.
It would take less time to travel to New Zealand
(13:02):
and what it does out to Western Australia. So so again,
you know, building that competition up, having New Zealand involved,
I can only see it.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Positive and totally though Chris is the more of an
interest in the Big Beast and there is in the
Super Smash for a New Zealand audience.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
Yeah, good question mate, And you know, I don't know
the answer to that because you know I don't I
don't have the viewing figures. But one, you know, one
would think that.
Speaker 9 (13:25):
With the level of production that the Big Bash has.
Speaker 8 (13:28):
The you know, the international players that are there from
from overseas as well as the Australian international players that
are playing now, you know, you would think that that
product would is a superior one that they're putting out
here in New Zealand just purely on costs. You know,
it cost a lot of money to produce these these matches,
so again made for New Zealand to sort of go
(13:49):
in on the Big Bash itself. I think it makes
sense for both cricketing nations because you want Australian and
New Zealand ties to be to be strong as rugby does,
as rugby league does. So so you know, I hope
the deal makers are discussing this and working towards a
solution for it, because for me, it's screaming out for it.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
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Speaker 1 (14:10):
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Speaker 2 (14:19):
Woman he Zeland or a round a Chris canns they're
talking about the concept of combining the bash and the
smash to turn them into the pash. I don't know
what you call it, It doesn't really matter. I like
the idea, but I can see fish hooks everywhere. See
reasons why it won't work, many of reasons why it
would work too. And I suppose the driving force here
(14:40):
is the Australians are in the box seat, they have
the whip hand. What would convince them to do that
to their Big Bash competition and invite a couple of
New Zealand teams to play? What's in it for them?
Chris Kians has five million eyeballs, Well, there won't mean
that many. Here's not met many cricket fans here. But
(15:01):
I suppose it's advertising potential. It's spreading the goodwill of
the game. And when we look at the other Trans
Tasman competitions, the A League doing particular well at the moment,
the NBL. Look what's happened in Super rugby previously maybe
not air and now there are some strong reasons is
(15:25):
all that didn't work with netball as to why something
like this could work? And I think this comes from
light of the fact we've had no decent cricket recently.
So my questions to you around this, I suppose playing
is this something you could buy into? Shouldn't you see
them look to enter the Big Bash competition and hand
in hand with that is super Smash for you cricket fans?
(15:49):
Is that a good product? Does Super Smash draw you
to the lounge room to super Smash draw you to
the grounds to watch the game? Is it enough? And
if it's not, will at work? If you sling three
or two teams at the Australian competition and go let's
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have a dance, I'll eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Plainly
I'd love to see it because I'm a sports fan
and as much as going to a Super Smash game
is entertaining, and I watch them from time to time
on TV, bit not all the time. If you increase
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the competitive nature of this by injecting the top twenty
New Zealand players into the Big Bash, there a couple
of New Zealand teams, Surely more people would engage. Surely
there'll be more traction for the T twenty game around Australasia,
(16:53):
And surely you would think that we're better to attract
other internationals to play at this time of year in
this part of the world. So should New Zealand have
a crack at this? They probably are already stop them.
But should they have a cracket and your rise as
a cricket fan, yes, they should look to reasons as
to why not, to reasons as why not, which is
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a very New Zealant thing to do. And if you're
honest with me, cricket fans, this is a super Smash
a good product? Does it tickle your fancy or whatever
it's supposed to be tickling? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty
lines are open and this is not exclusive men's teams.
By the way, I sall cricket in general. Be it
the Women's Big Bash and the Women's Super Smash, the
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combo of all of the top teams twenty five ar
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eight hundred eighty ten eighty should we look to enter?
Is the Super Smash a good product? You let me know? Oh,
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Speaker 1 (18:05):
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Speaker 2 (18:24):
Me texts coming in nineteen nine. Two ZBZB standard text
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enter the Big Bash? Should they kick the door in
or beg nicely outside? Is it worth it is a
Super Smash? Any good? Or am I just down playing
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asking you? Gooday? Kevin? How are you good?
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Gul REGs regular contributor? How are you?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I'm very good? What have you got for us tonight?
Speaker 7 (18:56):
Kevin?
Speaker 10 (18:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (18:57):
I just murged to catch about thirty seconds onto your
onto your conversation about what the Big Bash versus Super
Smash come on? For me personally, I'm the kiwi, but
I get the Seriously, if this was for the Chapel
Hatley Trophy between the two competitions, of course, the Big
Bash Men's and women's competitions is the win any day
of the week. The way they're doing it is way
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more entertained than here. Come on, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Now I'm talking last about you're saying that he started
throwing in Chapel Hadley. We're talking about the T twenty series.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Yeah, if this was if this, if the competition between
the two was for the hYP of the heart.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
You're putting a different competition. This is talking about domestic
trans Tasman competition, like the A League, like the Blues Carp,
like the NBL, like the NRL. It's there, it's not
the next level up. So I don't think you can
compare those two right.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
At the end of there are two different competitions. But
I'm as I said, I said, I find the Big
Bash competition, both the men's and women's, is more entertaining
than the Super Smash.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Right, So if that's the case, would there be traction?
If the Super Smash could get two or three teams
in the Big Bash and make it trans Tasman, would
that work for you as a fan? Kevin?
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Probably? Yeah, of course, as I said, And of course
I've been watching the Big Bass, and I'm following my
actual franchise, my actual franchise, and both the men's and
women's competition over there.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
What's your franchise?
Speaker 6 (20:26):
The sixes in both the men's and women's competitions.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Well, and that's because you choose to support them or
you've got some tenuous link with an Australian side.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
Just was the point thement I used to live to
live there for a while.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Okay, that's fine. I have the same thing. I followed
North Queensland mainly because I lived in queens An't only
for five months. But it'll be right, So I get that.
So but you have no the bottom line, you would
it wouldn't bother you if some top New Zealand athletes
via New Zealand teams were involved, it wouldn't water their
competition down or take anything from what. It would add something.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Probably adds, it would add something. It would probably get
my eyeballs on TV. Get my eyeballs on TV. And
of course the same thing with the netple since the
since the old AZ competition went their separate way is
what eight nine years ago or sometime, same thing I
was I was following. I was more following their competition
(21:20):
and the super Neple running the AZ Championship that.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Was a disaster for New Zealand. And I'm not saying
this would necessarily work. There are so many levels and
layers to make a trans Tasman competition successful. It's not
just success. And Kevin, thanks very much for your call.
Not just success with the viewer numbers, that success, with
the advertising revenue, success with the people at the ground,
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success with people interested in joining their competition. There are
a lot of parameters around this. Seven thirty one. Let's
run some tecks now in nineteen ninety two. That is
z B z B. I'd love to hear calls eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty as the cricket fans. What
goes right? What could go wrong with the combination of
the Super Smash and the Big Bash? A bit of
(22:09):
maths from Jason Thank you. Darcy Ecroskins is right. Five
million eyeballs because each person has two eyeballs, granted, so
you think there's doing a half million kreger? Fancy fair
cour I started, you finished it off. I've done on that.
I think that is enough. Would that be enough for
someone to sponsor this because the other side of it
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has New Zealand got the finances to do this. And
if you were to whip the rug out from under
the Super Smash, what does that do for short full
pathways here in New Zealand? Do we suddenly find ourselves
in a situation like with super rugby where provincial rugby?
(22:52):
What's changing now? But it didn't mean a great deal.
It's all about super rugby or bust. Do you risk that?
As I pointed out another Texas come in. Even if
the Aussies were keen to invite us to play, who
bank roll these teams? Pretty sure they won't make a
profit for a few years. We struggling at two thousand
(23:13):
people on ground when it's free, higher wages, higher travel costs,
fees towards he cricket. It doesn't add up to me
yet two thousand. But if you look at Hagley Oval,
for example, which is a magnificent ground. It has lights,
what six thousand capacity I think it is. I don't
think you'd have too much of a problem in a
big super bass smash game filling that place up. If
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you've got a combination of the best New Zealand T
twenty players and the best Australian TEA twenty players, I'm
going to crack at each other. I think people would
climb into that, wouldn't they. Whether you fill Eden Parks
and other story and it might be a bit doomed
trying to think of doing something like that. Whether the
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home games for these two New Zealand teams or three
necessarily are home games or they need to be toured around.
So said and Parker get a game. Any other ground
with lights could possibly get a game. And then it
brings another question. If you could answer this, this would
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be great. How do you bring two teams into a competition?
Would do you use Auckland and Canterbury? Is that the
easiest way to do it? Or does that suddenly leave
the rest of the country out in the cold and
you go your exclusivity sucks. And then you point that
argument to Wellington and the A League and Auckland in
(24:45):
the A League. Does that matter at all? Well, you
can suggest that the local football competition and it has relevance.
It's got a lot of people play in these various leagues.
Probably attracts as much attention as Super Smash does or
maybe supsmatched.
Speaker 8 (25:03):
It's a wee bit more.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
They need to up this level. So is it a
South Island team and a North Island team? Is it three?
Is it two? Is it one? Not? One? Wouldn't work.
It needs to be two, doesn't it. I talked to
me about this, something's a fascinating prospect. In fact, you
know from New Zealand Cricketsavening. Listen, give us a ring.
I love to hear from you. This is news Talk
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ZB on Sports Talk. Still to come with the program.
Terry mcflynn direct the football at Auckland FC on that
crazy eye game yesterday up against Adelaide. This is sports
Talk on News TALKB Love down Birth nine Sports Talk
(25:55):
on that News Talk ZB. A couple of quick texts
for you. Good evening. I don't agree with Chris Kens,
but if we want to enter the Big Bash, it'd
possibly be better have a Northding team and a South
aright and team so there's no provincial teams getting ratty
over players missing out. Thank you very much, Keith. I
was at the basin yesterday. The intimacy of the ground
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and around much of the country too, the ability to
be at the heart of the action and to get
caught up in the atmosphere more so than any Big
Bash event. Supersmash has now established itself in the ethos
of Keiley Summer. Very interesting in Darcy. Why are you
wasting a show on hypothetical ideas that Ken's has suggested?
And it goes on to be wildly impulsive and insulting
(26:40):
with that's Okay, well I'll tell you why, because it's
my show and I'll do it. I just find it
an interesting topic, I really do. Alex Powell, out of
the New Zealand Herald up sometimes contributed to the Sports
Fixed podcast, joins us. Now you've done digging into this
into the past, Alex, and you've realed some revealed some
interesting ideas coming out of New Zealand cricket.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Good evening, Dartho thing.
Speaker 7 (27:07):
Look.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
New Zealand Cricket from the conversations I've had, are not
keen on the idea of entry into the Big Bash.
They believe it would be detrimental to the domestic game
in New Zealand. I think in that instance, you're looking
at Kiwi teams and the Big Bash as being and
as well as the Super Smash, where as I think
Chris Kens is looking at as instead of You know,
so if you go from having six provincial franchise or sorry,
(27:30):
six provincial tea twenty teams into two, you're obviously going
to have less opportunity for players. There will be less
players than coming through Elgible to play for the Black Cats.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
So you look at the Super Smash and essence through
the eyes of New Zealand cricket, from what you understand,
is part of a pathway program more than a money
making venture or something purely designed to put the fan
in the middle of the room.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Absolutely, and I think from New Zealand Cricket's point of view,
they do have a sound argument there. You look at
the number of top international players New Zealand have produced
over the last what ten fifteen years, They've all come
through the system that's currently in place. If you were
change that, would you get guys that come through like
you know, like a Russian ravender, a Willow Rourke, you
(28:13):
know a guy like a Finale who came through playing
T twenty Well.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I talked that around Super Rugby and what happened with
Super Rugby and that fascination with this franchise based trans
Tasmin further competition is that eroded that grassroots strength and
now we're seeing national provincial come back again because people
are getting bit tired of Super Rugby. But that is
another reason why possibly it wouldn't work, because it roots
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up the grass roots.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I think cricket compared to rugby in this in this
instance isn't really a fair comparison. You look at rugby
and where the opportunities are. It's only really New Zealand
and Australia and Super Rugby, or you go over to
Japan or Front cricket. These guys have it where they
can play wherever they want.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
You know.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
You look at why the Big Bash has been so
good this summer because we've got Finalen playing there. He
is at Perth, Tim Sifett's at Melbourne, Adam Melns also
with Melbourne with the Stars, who else, you know, so
there's no shortage of opportunities for guys. You look at
people like Scott cooker Line, he was playing in the
Nepalese Premier League instead of playing for Northern Districts.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
You know, we've got the Caribbean League, we've got the
South African League. We've got you were saying before Nepalese
franchise T twenty cricket.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Yeah, so look, if a franchise system is something that
New Zealand Cricket want to explore, then absolutely. That's when
you look at the Big Bash and you look at
combining too, because I think from what I understand, if
you look at Australia's TV Sports war, the NRL only
does the numbers. It does because of New Zealand, you know,
because they can come into New Zealand audiences. The AFL
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does not do that, but it doesn't need to. If
the Big Bash, what does want to compete? And I
guess the issue there is the Big Bash isn't really
competing with another summer code in Australia. But getting the
extriballes from New Zland would of course be a boost,
but as it enough boost to justify spending money on
having not one, but you probably would want two New
Zealand teams because that's ultimately gonna be what size. It's
who pays for all this?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
What are people here?
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Though?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Anecdotally Alex because planning sports journey you get around the traps.
There's one guy here says I love it. The nature
of super Smash is something wonderful, so it's distinctly key
we But is the attraction is their engagement at a
community level?
Speaker 4 (30:24):
For Super Smash, you'd probably say in New Zealand's too
small for any sort of self sustaining domestic sport model.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
So being just a journey or a platform to promote
plea that's the best it can possibly do. So focus
on that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
I mean you can't have it as a money making opportunity.
I mean unless India wants to come in, because that's
the way cricket is going. You know, domestic leagues are
there to be bought. We've seen South Africa's competition is
completely owned by India. The UAE's competition is completely owned
by India. You've got English teams now putting themselves up
for sale in India coming in to buy them. I sorry,
India is probably not the right word because it's not
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the nation but India Indian Indians. So whether or not
the New Zealand time zone is something that is attractive
enough for Indian business to invest in, I don't think
it is.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
And on that we'll let you fly. Thanks very much
for your contribution. Alex Powel was pleasure to seven forty
four that we didn't talk about Formula one. Blessed you're out.
Now we've got another guest coming in shortly while on
the phone. Anyway, Terry mcflynn joins US Director of football
at Auckland FC. Crazy crazy game of football last night
ended up until drawer could have gone any old way. Madness.
(31:33):
I tell you, Terry is the director of football. He
joins us, talking, excuse me about that fixture and eggs
how rude here on news talk zib sign.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Good says your dare for.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I will sell you big.
Speaker 10 (31:54):
Over the top for press. He's got the past in
a Premiers squass for good La. I had a Claire
at the top the Late Show. Here's the rat show corner.
We're about to move into the one hundredth minute of
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this match. Francis debrees Paulson's boy and it comes down god.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
And did Steve.
Speaker 10 (32:27):
Krk enjoy that love? A good Rogerson stupid at.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
The near post to.
Speaker 10 (32:35):
Head home and the Auckland at Sea fans get to
celebrate as well.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
This is madness, that's what that was. That's stunning last night,
so well worth the watch as of Auckland FC been
right the way through the year and after what we
see on Monday from the Phoenix. It's a feeling compulsive viewing,
it really is. We're joined now by a man who's
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got a foot in this. His name is Terry mcflinny's
director of football at Auckland FC. Drama filled draw you'd
call it. He just joined us now to discuss that
welcome mate, good eating dusky. How are you. I'm very
very well enjoyed the entertainment last night. Well, I expect
from your point of view, you probably lost a few
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years in the last nine minutes, didn't you. What a game?
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Yeah, look it was.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
It was a great game.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
I think the performance from the boys was excellent. But
as you said, it wasn't wasn't too good for my
blood pressure. But it looked at the boys show great
fighting spirit.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
They kept going right to the end and got a draw.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Probably deserve something more than a draw it again, but
at this point we'll take that.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I've never been a big fan of VR. I think
it interrupts the flow of the game. It's one of
the few sports where I don't think we need it.
I think again that was reiterated underlined last night, in
the fact one went the way of a KFC, the
other one didn't right or wrong sighted everything down. I
can't deal with that. You lad to comment on that,
Terry or not.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Oh look, I think it's prime and price of the
game night, so we're pretty used to it. Yeah, look
for us, the VR did that.
Speaker 7 (34:14):
I think the intervened. They asked the referee to have
a look at the.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Situation. He did, but he decided that his call on
field for was the right one and we just have
to move onward.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
It what makes sense, I suppose, and moving on you
will be coming out on Sunday. The team have stayed
over there for the next fixture. It makes perfect sense.
You're a pretty pragmatic band, aren't you. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
Look, we knew this was going to be a triple.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
We're gonna have to stay on the road, So on
the twenty second and then the twenty sixth didn't make
sense to come back to Oakland. So your team's flown
in today from Adelaide into Sydney. We'll twin to more.
We'll say Saturday, play on Sunday and come back on Monday.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
When you look back at the game last night again,
do you look to the first half and go we
need to do more in that first half of football.
That's got to be the biggest bone for Continent engine,
doesn't it, Tarry.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Look, I think we're very comfortable with the way we're
performing in both halves. I think we've been consistently keeping
the ball, moving the ball well, creating chances. But probably
the most pleasant thing for me Dart she is a
three wrong games out and the fitness levels is very
very high, and we scored a lot of goals in
the last fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Their attention to fitness detail has been prevalent right since
the club started. It's almost like a non negost. Well,
wasn't it in this day and.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
Age's you know? I had a performance of lights peak Arum.
It's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
He's got the boys very very fit, the hungry for work,
the hungry to get fitter, to get stronger, and it's
just a joy that.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
What's the train every day improvements?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Where do you think work has to change on the
park before the next game?
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Oh, look, we will assess the opposition as we do
every week. The coaches all prepare the to him accordingly
as to what we need to do to win the game.
In terms of improvement, we've got our processes, we've got
our structures that we stick to. We've got one hundred
percent trust and faith and every one of the players.
So we're just looking forward to the game on Sunday,
making sure the players recover well and prepare well.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Have you got anyone coming back? How far does your
quiver right now?
Speaker 10 (36:27):
Terry?
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Obviously Dan Hall still out with a Brooklyn ankle. He's
probably be back in five to six weeks. Hiroki was
like with Acutchion, he's clear to play a nice So yeah, look,
we've got a fit and healthy bunch, which is very
good for the coaches.
Speaker 7 (36:43):
They've got a full compliment to pick from.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
And with Steve Karker, how's he You think your heart's gone?
I thought, as he was going to explode at the
end of the eexture last night. It's a that's an
excited dude. You didn't even know where you're staying with him,
don't you.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Yeah, look, Steve, he's a very passionate guy, and I
think the players feed off that passion as well, which
is great to see, and I think the supporters appreciated
as well. So yeah, I was very pleased with him
last night that the boys kept going right to the
end and got a result, which, like I said, we
definitely deserved at least.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
It's interesting that not quite but as good as at
the top of the table still the energy required to
keep that run rolling, even though you've had some concessions
of goals and some losses. This is beyond the wild
of streams of the club surely to keep that going
and to do it over the ditch as well.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Yeah, look, we knew that to win this league you
have to be consistent both at home underway. We went
into Australia pre season as part of preparation for this.
Speaker 7 (37:43):
We spent a period of time.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
In Melbourne, period of time in Sydney to get the
players used to traveling different climates, difference a rounding. So
we've tried to prepare ourselves best we possibly could for
every scenario. The players have bought into it. The one
thing they do love is playing in front of the
Auckland supporters. As we said from the start, we're team
for the community from the community. So these two games
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on the road, we just can't wait to get back
to Comedia Stadium against MacArthur next weekend and.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
With the upcoming match against Western Sydney Wanderers. What have
you seen? What is karaka? What are the players seen around?
Potential ways to can open their way through the defense.
Speaker 7 (38:26):
Look, I won't give too much away on here.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
Oh come on, they're not listening, Come on from the game.
But yeah, look again, total respect to all our opponents.
We give them the due respect that they deserve. They've
been good this season. The Wanderers, they've got some very
good young players. But we'll prepare accordingly. A lot of
times it's about how we do things. I will try
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and break down the opposition, getting behind them and hurt them.
And but yeah, like I said, the preparation's gone well,
we've got two more days training in Sydney before the game,
so we're looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
And finally the love from the Expats or Aussies have
maybe turned on their own countrymen. You only have pockets
of great to see though. Isn't it that some of
the New Zealand fans are actually turning out when it
comes to those away fixtures.
Speaker 7 (39:13):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
Look, I think we when we played Melbourne City a
few weeks ago in Melbourne, there was a massive Kiwi
contingent that turned up and I become Awkland FC fans.
So yeah, look, I'd encourage as many Kiwis as possible
who's in Australia and we're there to come and support
us as get behind your native countrymen and help us
when we're in a foreign land.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Good stuff. Terry mcflyinn, Director of Football for Auckland DFC,
Thanks very much for your time and good luck for
your heart. It's it's not that close. Come the Wanderers
game on Sunday.
Speaker 7 (39:44):
Thanks for yours lovely, thank you, Take care.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
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And my eyes were all over the shop trying to
watch Center destroy demon Or and then watch I don't
know what i'd call that game last night, what a
stay last nine minutes. And then we'll talk with Terry
mcflint about that later in the piece. We'll take your
calls planning on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. That
is the point of this hour's broadcast. And that's on
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the back of Chris Cans who joins us surely our
former black Caps all rounder. Of course, the conversation around
maybe the Soup smashed and maybe the Big Bash joining
forces for a trans Tasman competition. It happens in another
sport why wouldn't it happen in cricket? And I'd be
(01:40):
interested in your opinion on this one. The pros and
the comms, the differences between the smash and the bash,
and could we combine them into a clash and the
hold on that's ready been taken. Damn. We'll work something
through anyway, Chris cans. It joins us, surely. But before
we do that, let's do this today. Sport today, the
(02:02):
Winter Games is no more. The Southern Lakes based annual
snowsport events run out of money. Amongst other financial pressures,
the euro has driven the cost of prize money and
the sanctioning fees of the draw card events pretty much
through the roof snow sport in New Zeland. Boston At
Kabana said, another Southern Hemisphere nation is unlikely to pick
(02:24):
up when New Zealand left off.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
It won't be a Southern Hemisphere country. It won't be
New Zealand, Australia or Argentina as to speak, but another
country like Canada, the US or somewhere in Europe. They
might potentially run a double heater.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Second seeded women's player in the Australian Open is bracing
herself for the inevitable and tonight's semi final versus the
American mediicine keys. Poland's eager sh Filon Tech knows the
drill at this level.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I need to be ready for that and be proactive
and also good in defense.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
I guess in samis if you play against any opponents,
they deserve to beat her. So it's going to be
tough no matter what.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Why fair Maddie Green has put in an influential performance
as her Auckland side whipped the Otago Wahana by twenty
five runs in the Super Smash today and I'm beaten
fifty four and two for ten from two did the trick.
But she shouldn't have bowled.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Yeah, I think I only get acause people see me
in the eyes light up and model white man. Not
usually at the bowl increase, but obviously with Amy going
down today, I just had to bowl a few others
and that's okay.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And Sir Lewis Hamilton has finally put his foot down
on a ferrari aheah about time. Listen to this and
that's sport today coming up eleven minutes after seven. Let's
talk the combination of the Super Smash and Big Bash
(03:51):
if we could Chris Ken's join us for a black
cap all round her would love to see them at
Peered Up, he joins us now to discuss that, and
the I suppose product comparison joins us now, Chris Ken's
welcome to the show. How does us You will looking
forward to a great twenty twenty five and some wonderful
cricket and all your focus currently is about the T
(04:15):
twenty game, the combination between Australia and New Zealand, the
Big Bash and the Super Smash. Why is this not
a team? Why is this not the same sport?
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (04:26):
Why is it not a thing?
Speaker 8 (04:28):
I agree to look over that whole Christmas New Year period.
I mean, there was obviously that New Zealand England series,
and then we had a you know, just a delightful
series with the Indians and Aussies over there, and then
it's rolled into the Big Bash and of course the
New Zealand comp But look, I mean, I've got to
be honest, I haven't seen any of the New Zealand
(04:51):
comp I just you know, it's sort of downplayed a bit,
and you know, the Big Bash seems to be the
premiere property on TV. But I think I'm not sure
if I've talked to you about it before, but you know,
I've often questioned why, you know, why our players aren't
in the comp And you know, if we look at
(05:12):
the soccer that occurs with Wellington and Auckland involved in
the Australian comp we look obviously with the Warriors and
and what they what they do and what they have,
and then we've got Super Rugby. But for some reason,
cricket seems to be lagging. And I don't know whether
that's a cricket Australia thing mate that is perhaps not
as forthcoming as what New Zealand cricket wanted to be.
But it sort of makes sense to have not I
(05:33):
don't I don't think there should be one team. I'd
have two. I'd have an Auckland team an a Custis
team in it.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
So what does this stand to gain for the Australians.
I suppose that's what you're going to look at. What's
in it for them? Well?
Speaker 8 (05:45):
Five million people. I mean, it's a it's a market
right at the end of the day. And I think
it strengthens the competition too, because I do think at
the moment and this is another thing that I've often
wondered about about how New Zealand is a classed as
international players are going over to play in Aussie and
the Big Bash. But you know all the other leagues
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and and teams that operate in the Winter Coats that
seem to embrace New Zealanders within their outfit and they
have numerous players. Look, we know that the All Blacks
have an issue with players playing outside of New Zealand,
and you know, and they can't wear the black jersey
if they head away. But from a cricketing perspective, you know,
(06:27):
if you took out, for example, there's eight Big Bash teams, right,
so if you took out, so that's eighty eight players
who are playing first and foremost if you took out
the lack of a better term, the worst twenty players.
So if you injected the best twenty New Zealand players
into that competition as it currently stands, the level of
quality and the level of play would raise straight away overnight. So,
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you know, having New Zealanders in that comp but then
opening it up to having New Zealand teams into the
camp as well. At the moment, they've got eight teams
at play ten games. They could easily have ten or
eleven teams and still play ten games for each other one.
Speaker 9 (07:07):
So look at the.
Speaker 8 (07:08):
Theories all there why it hasn't been explored. Look, I'm
sure they're talking about it, but yeah, I just find
it astounding that, you know, they're not talking about it
more and moving towards a solution to get New Zealand
or New Zealand teams into the big batch.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I think Christians is fair to say New Zealand cricket
have been very front forward. They really have been right
the way through the last few years, so they probably
are thinking about it. I'm suspecting that the effect on
the local game and how that would affect suppose gait
income crowds who can go regularly over the summer period
to these matches, that would probably be first and foremost putting,
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as I say, the fan at the scene of the
room and worrying about their own backyard.
Speaker 8 (07:48):
Yeah, a good point, although it has it A guest
does that. I don't know if the smash would run
at the profit man, I would guess it would run
the loss when you look at the costs involved in
the travel, all the requirements for compliance at a ground,
what they charge to get into the gate. You know,
I'd be really interested to have a look and see
(08:09):
what the plus minus is on the Smash itself as
a competition. And so you know what would happen if
we had teams in the Big Bash will again probably
similar to what happens here at a national level for
soccer or for rugby league. There are competitions that exist.
I mean, if I'm running two teams in the Big
Bash from a New Zealand perspective, and the look, there's
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two great brands just sitting there in the Auckland Bass
and the Cannery Wizards. Right, So if those two teams
advance into the Big Bash, we still run the T
twenty competition, but take it to the holiday places, take
it to Nelson and take it to the Mount and
you know, take it to New Plymouth around that summertime
(08:52):
Christmas period and you know the players in that competition
does there's a pathway for them to get into the
Big Bash. So I don't see it as a negative.
It just yeah, it just has to be thought through.
But as I say, you've got two great franchises, the
Aces and the Woods is sitting there waiting to be
injected into the big bash are.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And look at the venue. I've been down Christias recently.
I've looked this huge car stadium being developed that's screaming
out for pat stands for T twenty. Could they do that?
Speaker 7 (09:23):
And there is it too?
Speaker 9 (09:26):
Yeah, although it's all that's probably about the size of
the Eaton Park like but I but I, you know,
it's a specific rugby stadium from what I can see,
and look, all credit to the council for doing it.
Looks spectacular, But.
Speaker 8 (09:40):
No, Hagley is waiting. I would have the South Island
franchise and as a as a Canterbury Wizards playing a
game down in Dunedin and also a game in Nelson.
You would have the Auckland franchise playing a game in
Wellington as well as a game in Hamilton and the
majority in Auckland. Much like the Sydney thunderdo they play
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their games at the CG and sorry this no sorry,
The Thunder play out in the West and then they
also play in Camera, so they have sort of these
outgrounds that some of the teams do. So yeah, look,
you're only adding to further New Zealand teams into a
model that's already functioning and existing. But I think it
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strengthens both the brand for Australian cricket and New Zealand cricket.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Details whise, Chris Kens, would you open these two franchises
up to all the Australians as well? Will they essentially
become the same as as the Sixers, all the thunder
as far as who can they employ?
Speaker 8 (10:39):
Yeah, on dred percent. Again, we're just using the NRL model, right,
It's just the opportunity for some Australian players to come
and play out here, you know, if the franchise wants
to do that. But given New Zealand sort of cricket
schedule now seems to sort of follow the Australian schedule
Dace where it sort of stops after that Boxer sort
(11:01):
of the New Year's Test in Sydney and then and
then sort of picks up whether it be in every
or whatnot. So there is that that window. I mean
much rather personally, I mean, Martin Guptell's playing you know
here in that smash car. I'd much rather stand plane
than the big Bash, you know, like I mean, and
the other New Zealand players that are sitting out get
them into that comp you know, there's great international players.
(11:24):
The TV contracts are going to be to be worth more,
the players are going to be paid more. So there's
upside for everybody. And look like I'm sure they're talking
about this. The administrators would have to be doing that,
but it's just a case of how they do it.
But you know, putting a can every team and an
orphan teament, I mean it just makes a whole lot
of sense.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Really, you're talking venues before Chris Kean's big enough to
hold something like that. If we had a whole lot
of crasht Australian players coming over here with the cream
New Usealum players too, we're not talking six thousand people here,
are we.
Speaker 8 (11:55):
No, And look, I think New Zealand has you know,
Hagley has a it's a boutique ground and it's a
it's a beautiful ground, it's a lovely ground. But you know,
for that to be utilized, that's it's sort of I
mean Bloodstone down in Hobart is well no, I don't
thing it's called blunt. So now it's called Ninja and.
Speaker 9 (12:15):
So they they've got a slightly bigger study. But that's
quite Britique.
Speaker 8 (12:19):
They've got the grass bank there and you know, I
don't think Hagley Oval was out of place in that
camp at all. And you know whether you play at
Eden Park that there would be a decision that needs
to be made. But you know, having as I said,
having an Auckland and a Cannabory franchise in the Big
Bash as it expands, but still keeping you know, I think.
Speaker 9 (12:37):
The Big Bash has got a good.
Speaker 8 (12:42):
Program at the moment, for they start in mid December
and finishing the school holidays. You know they've tweaked it
and tried different variations before, but the fans are sort
of you know, signaled with their feet where things are at.
And you know Perth gets an unbelievable following over there
in the West, and you know the teams will be traveling.
It would take less time to travel to New Zealand
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and what it does out to Western Australia. So so again,
you know, building that competition up, having New Zealand involved,
I can only see it.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Positive and totally though Chris is the more of an
interest in the Big Beast and there is in the
Super Smash for a New Zealand audience.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
Yeah, good question mate, And you know, I don't know
the answer to that because you know I don't I
don't have the viewing figures. But one, you know, one
would think that.
Speaker 9 (13:25):
With the level of production that the Big Bash has.
Speaker 8 (13:28):
The you know, the international players that are there from
from overseas as well as the Australian international players that
are playing now, you know, you would think that that
product would is a superior one that they're putting out
here in New Zealand just purely on costs. You know,
it cost a lot of money to produce these these matches,
so again made for New Zealand to sort of go
(13:49):
in on the Big Bash itself. I think it makes
sense for both cricketing nations because you want Australian and
New Zealand ties to be to be strong as rugby does,
as rugby league does. So so you know, I hope
the deal makers are discussing this and working towards a
solution for it, because for me, it's screaming out for it.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
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Speaker 1 (14:10):
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Speaker 2 (14:19):
Woman he Zeland or a round a Chris canns they're
talking about the concept of combining the bash and the
smash to turn them into the pash. I don't know
what you call it, It doesn't really matter. I like
the idea, but I can see fish hooks everywhere. See
reasons why it won't work, many of reasons why it
would work too. And I suppose the driving force here
(14:40):
is the Australians are in the box seat, they have
the whip hand. What would convince them to do that
to their Big Bash competition and invite a couple of
New Zealand teams to play? What's in it for them?
Chris Kians has five million eyeballs, Well, there won't mean
that many. Here's not met many cricket fans here. But
(15:01):
I suppose it's advertising potential. It's spreading the goodwill of
the game. And when we look at the other Trans
Tasman competitions, the A League doing particular well at the moment,
the NBL. Look what's happened in Super rugby previously maybe
not air and now there are some strong reasons is
(15:25):
all that didn't work with netball as to why something
like this could work? And I think this comes from
light of the fact we've had no decent cricket recently.
So my questions to you around this, I suppose playing
is this something you could buy into? Shouldn't you see
them look to enter the Big Bash competition and hand
in hand with that is super Smash for you cricket fans?
(15:49):
Is that a good product? Does Super Smash draw you
to the lounge room to super Smash draw you to
the grounds to watch the game? Is it enough? And
if it's not, will at work? If you sling three
or two teams at the Australian competition and go let's
(16:11):
have a dance, I'll eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Plainly
I'd love to see it because I'm a sports fan
and as much as going to a Super Smash game
is entertaining, and I watch them from time to time
on TV, bit not all the time. If you increase
(16:32):
the competitive nature of this by injecting the top twenty
New Zealand players into the Big Bash, there a couple
of New Zealand teams, Surely more people would engage. Surely
there'll be more traction for the T twenty game around Australasia,
(16:53):
And surely you would think that we're better to attract
other internationals to play at this time of year in
this part of the world. So should New Zealand have
a crack at this? They probably are already stop them.
But should they have a cracket and your rise as
a cricket fan, yes, they should look to reasons as
to why not, to reasons as why not, which is
(17:15):
a very New Zealant thing to do. And if you're
honest with me, cricket fans, this is a super Smash
a good product? Does it tickle your fancy or whatever
it's supposed to be tickling? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty
lines are open and this is not exclusive men's teams.
By the way, I sall cricket in general. Be it
the Women's Big Bash and the Women's Super Smash, the
(17:38):
combo of all of the top teams twenty five ar
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eight hundred eighty ten eighty should we look to enter?
Is the Super Smash a good product? You let me know? Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty You can text nineteen ninety
that's ZBZB standard text charges apply quick nine one.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
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Speaker 2 (18:24):
Me texts coming in nineteen nine. Two ZBZB standard text
charge does apply like to hear your voice though one
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enter the Big Bash? Should they kick the door in
or beg nicely outside? Is it worth it is a
Super Smash? Any good? Or am I just down playing
(18:47):
asking you? Gooday? Kevin? How are you good?
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Gul REGs regular contributor? How are you?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I'm very good? What have you got for us tonight?
Speaker 7 (18:56):
Kevin?
Speaker 10 (18:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (18:57):
I just murged to catch about thirty seconds onto your
onto your conversation about what the Big Bash versus Super
Smash come on? For me personally, I'm the kiwi, but
I get the Seriously, if this was for the Chapel
Hatley Trophy between the two competitions, of course, the Big
Bash Men's and women's competitions is the win any day
of the week. The way they're doing it is way
(19:19):
more entertained than here. Come on, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Now I'm talking last about you're saying that he started
throwing in Chapel Hadley. We're talking about the T twenty series.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Yeah, if this was if this, if the competition between
the two was for the hYP of the heart.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
You're putting a different competition. This is talking about domestic
trans Tasman competition, like the A League, like the Blues Carp,
like the NBL, like the NRL. It's there, it's not
the next level up. So I don't think you can
compare those two right.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
At the end of there are two different competitions. But
I'm as I said, I said, I find the Big
Bash competition, both the men's and women's, is more entertaining
than the Super Smash.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Right, So if that's the case, would there be traction?
If the Super Smash could get two or three teams
in the Big Bash and make it trans Tasman, would
that work for you as a fan? Kevin?
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Probably? Yeah, of course, as I said, And of course
I've been watching the Big Bass, and I'm following my
actual franchise, my actual franchise, and both the men's and
women's competition over there.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
What's your franchise?
Speaker 6 (20:26):
The sixes in both the men's and women's competitions.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Well, and that's because you choose to support them or
you've got some tenuous link with an Australian side.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
Just was the point thement I used to live to
live there for a while.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Okay, that's fine. I have the same thing. I followed
North Queensland mainly because I lived in queens An't only
for five months. But it'll be right, So I get that.
So but you have no the bottom line, you would
it wouldn't bother you if some top New Zealand athletes
via New Zealand teams were involved, it wouldn't water their
competition down or take anything from what. It would add something.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Probably adds, it would add something. It would probably get
my eyeballs on TV. Get my eyeballs on TV. And
of course the same thing with the netple since the
since the old AZ competition went their separate way is
what eight nine years ago or sometime, same thing I
was I was following. I was more following their competition
(21:20):
and the super Neple running the AZ Championship that.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Was a disaster for New Zealand. And I'm not saying
this would necessarily work. There are so many levels and
layers to make a trans Tasman competition successful. It's not
just success. And Kevin, thanks very much for your call.
Not just success with the viewer numbers, that success, with
the advertising revenue, success with the people at the ground,
(21:48):
success with people interested in joining their competition. There are
a lot of parameters around this. Seven thirty one. Let's
run some tecks now in nineteen ninety two. That is
z B z B. I'd love to hear calls eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty as the cricket fans. What
goes right? What could go wrong with the combination of
the Super Smash and the Big Bash? A bit of
(22:09):
maths from Jason Thank you. Darcy Ecroskins is right. Five
million eyeballs because each person has two eyeballs, granted, so
you think there's doing a half million kreger? Fancy fair
cour I started, you finished it off. I've done on that.
I think that is enough. Would that be enough for
someone to sponsor this because the other side of it
(22:31):
has New Zealand got the finances to do this. And
if you were to whip the rug out from under
the Super Smash, what does that do for short full
pathways here in New Zealand? Do we suddenly find ourselves
in a situation like with super rugby where provincial rugby?
(22:52):
What's changing now? But it didn't mean a great deal.
It's all about super rugby or bust. Do you risk that?
As I pointed out another Texas come in. Even if
the Aussies were keen to invite us to play, who
bank roll these teams? Pretty sure they won't make a
profit for a few years. We struggling at two thousand
(23:13):
people on ground when it's free, higher wages, higher travel costs,
fees towards he cricket. It doesn't add up to me
yet two thousand. But if you look at Hagley Oval,
for example, which is a magnificent ground. It has lights,
what six thousand capacity I think it is. I don't
think you'd have too much of a problem in a
big super bass smash game filling that place up. If
(23:38):
you've got a combination of the best New Zealand T
twenty players and the best Australian TEA twenty players, I'm
going to crack at each other. I think people would
climb into that, wouldn't they. Whether you fill Eden Parks
and other story and it might be a bit doomed
trying to think of doing something like that. Whether the
(24:00):
home games for these two New Zealand teams or three
necessarily are home games or they need to be toured around.
So said and Parker get a game. Any other ground
with lights could possibly get a game. And then it
brings another question. If you could answer this, this would
(24:22):
be great. How do you bring two teams into a competition?
Would do you use Auckland and Canterbury? Is that the
easiest way to do it? Or does that suddenly leave
the rest of the country out in the cold and
you go your exclusivity sucks. And then you point that
argument to Wellington and the A League and Auckland in
(24:45):
the A League. Does that matter at all? Well, you
can suggest that the local football competition and it has relevance.
It's got a lot of people play in these various leagues.
Probably attracts as much attention as Super Smash does or
maybe supsmatched.
Speaker 8 (25:03):
It's a wee bit more.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
They need to up this level. So is it a
South Island team and a North Island team? Is it three?
Is it two? Is it one? Not? One? Wouldn't work.
It needs to be two, doesn't it. I talked to
me about this, something's a fascinating prospect. In fact, you
know from New Zealand Cricketsavening. Listen, give us a ring.
I love to hear from you. This is news Talk
(25:27):
ZB on Sports Talk. Still to come with the program.
Terry mcflynn direct the football at Auckland FC on that
crazy eye game yesterday up against Adelaide. This is sports
Talk on News TALKB Love down Birth nine Sports Talk
(25:55):
on that News Talk ZB. A couple of quick texts
for you. Good evening. I don't agree with Chris Kens,
but if we want to enter the Big Bash, it'd
possibly be better have a Northding team and a South
aright and team so there's no provincial teams getting ratty
over players missing out. Thank you very much, Keith. I
was at the basin yesterday. The intimacy of the ground
(26:17):
and around much of the country too, the ability to
be at the heart of the action and to get
caught up in the atmosphere more so than any Big
Bash event. Supersmash has now established itself in the ethos
of Keiley Summer. Very interesting in Darcy. Why are you
wasting a show on hypothetical ideas that Ken's has suggested?
And it goes on to be wildly impulsive and insulting
(26:40):
with that's Okay, well I'll tell you why, because it's
my show and I'll do it. I just find it
an interesting topic, I really do. Alex Powell, out of
the New Zealand Herald up sometimes contributed to the Sports
Fixed podcast, joins us. Now you've done digging into this
into the past, Alex, and you've realed some revealed some
interesting ideas coming out of New Zealand cricket.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Good evening, Dartho thing.
Speaker 7 (27:07):
Look.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
New Zealand Cricket from the conversations I've had, are not
keen on the idea of entry into the Big Bash.
They believe it would be detrimental to the domestic game
in New Zealand. I think in that instance, you're looking
at Kiwi teams and the Big Bash as being and
as well as the Super Smash, where as I think
Chris Kens is looking at as instead of You know,
so if you go from having six provincial franchise or sorry,
(27:30):
six provincial tea twenty teams into two, you're obviously going
to have less opportunity for players. There will be less
players than coming through Elgible to play for the Black Cats.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
So you look at the Super Smash and essence through
the eyes of New Zealand cricket, from what you understand,
is part of a pathway program more than a money
making venture or something purely designed to put the fan
in the middle of the room.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Absolutely, and I think from New Zealand Cricket's point of view,
they do have a sound argument there. You look at
the number of top international players New Zealand have produced
over the last what ten fifteen years, They've all come
through the system that's currently in place. If you were
change that, would you get guys that come through like
you know, like a Russian ravender, a Willow Rourke, you
(28:13):
know a guy like a Finale who came through playing
T twenty Well.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I talked that around Super Rugby and what happened with
Super Rugby and that fascination with this franchise based trans
Tasmin further competition is that eroded that grassroots strength and
now we're seeing national provincial come back again because people
are getting bit tired of Super Rugby. But that is
another reason why possibly it wouldn't work, because it roots
(28:37):
up the grass roots.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I think cricket compared to rugby in this in this
instance isn't really a fair comparison. You look at rugby
and where the opportunities are. It's only really New Zealand
and Australia and Super Rugby, or you go over to
Japan or Front cricket. These guys have it where they
can play wherever they want.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
You know.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
You look at why the Big Bash has been so
good this summer because we've got Finalen playing there. He
is at Perth, Tim Sifett's at Melbourne, Adam Melns also
with Melbourne with the Stars, who else, you know, so
there's no shortage of opportunities for guys. You look at
people like Scott cooker Line, he was playing in the
Nepalese Premier League instead of playing for Northern Districts.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
You know, we've got the Caribbean League, we've got the
South African League. We've got you were saying before Nepalese
franchise T twenty cricket.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Yeah, so look, if a franchise system is something that
New Zealand Cricket want to explore, then absolutely. That's when
you look at the Big Bash and you look at
combining too, because I think from what I understand, if
you look at Australia's TV Sports war, the NRL only
does the numbers. It does because of New Zealand, you know,
because they can come into New Zealand audiences. The AFL
(29:46):
does not do that, but it doesn't need to. If
the Big Bash, what does want to compete? And I
guess the issue there is the Big Bash isn't really
competing with another summer code in Australia. But getting the
extriballes from New Zland would of course be a boost,
but as it enough boost to justify spending money on
having not one, but you probably would want two New
Zealand teams because that's ultimately gonna be what size. It's
who pays for all this?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
What are people here?
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Though?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Anecdotally Alex because planning sports journey you get around the traps.
There's one guy here says I love it. The nature
of super Smash is something wonderful, so it's distinctly key
we But is the attraction is their engagement at a
community level?
Speaker 4 (30:24):
For Super Smash, you'd probably say in New Zealand's too
small for any sort of self sustaining domestic sport model.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
So being just a journey or a platform to promote
plea that's the best it can possibly do. So focus
on that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
I mean you can't have it as a money making opportunity.
I mean unless India wants to come in, because that's
the way cricket is going. You know, domestic leagues are
there to be bought. We've seen South Africa's competition is
completely owned by India. The UAE's competition is completely owned
by India. You've got English teams now putting themselves up
for sale in India coming in to buy them. I sorry,
India is probably not the right word because it's not
(30:58):
the nation but India Indian Indians. So whether or not
the New Zealand time zone is something that is attractive
enough for Indian business to invest in, I don't think
it is.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
And on that we'll let you fly. Thanks very much
for your contribution. Alex Powel was pleasure to seven forty
four that we didn't talk about Formula one. Blessed you're out.
Now we've got another guest coming in shortly while on
the phone. Anyway, Terry mcflynn joins US Director of football
at Auckland FC. Crazy crazy game of football last night
ended up until drawer could have gone any old way. Madness.
(31:33):
I tell you, Terry is the director of football. He
joins us, talking, excuse me about that fixture and eggs
how rude here on news talk zib sign.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Good says your dare for.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I will sell you big.
Speaker 10 (31:54):
Over the top for press. He's got the past in
a Premiers squass for good La. I had a Claire
at the top the Late Show. Here's the rat show corner.
We're about to move into the one hundredth minute of
(32:16):
this match. Francis debrees Paulson's boy and it comes down god.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
And did Steve.
Speaker 10 (32:27):
Krk enjoy that love? A good Rogerson stupid at.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
The near post to.
Speaker 10 (32:35):
Head home and the Auckland at Sea fans get to
celebrate as well.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
This is madness, that's what that was. That's stunning last night,
so well worth the watch as of Auckland FC been
right the way through the year and after what we
see on Monday from the Phoenix. It's a feeling compulsive viewing,
it really is. We're joined now by a man who's
(33:03):
got a foot in this. His name is Terry mcflinny's
director of football at Auckland FC. Drama filled draw you'd
call it. He just joined us now to discuss that
welcome mate, good eating dusky. How are you. I'm very
very well enjoyed the entertainment last night. Well, I expect
from your point of view, you probably lost a few
(33:23):
years in the last nine minutes, didn't you. What a game?
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Yeah, look it was.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
It was a great game.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
I think the performance from the boys was excellent. But
as you said, it wasn't wasn't too good for my
blood pressure. But it looked at the boys show great
fighting spirit.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
They kept going right to the end and got a draw.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Probably deserve something more than a draw it again, but
at this point we'll take that.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I've never been a big fan of VR. I think
it interrupts the flow of the game. It's one of
the few sports where I don't think we need it.
I think again that was reiterated underlined last night, in
the fact one went the way of a KFC, the
other one didn't right or wrong sighted everything down. I
can't deal with that. You lad to comment on that,
Terry or not.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Oh look, I think it's prime and price of the
game night, so we're pretty used to it. Yeah, look
for us, the VR did that.
Speaker 7 (34:14):
I think the intervened. They asked the referee to have
a look at the.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Situation. He did, but he decided that his call on
field for was the right one and we just have
to move onward.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
It what makes sense, I suppose, and moving on you
will be coming out on Sunday. The team have stayed
over there for the next fixture. It makes perfect sense.
You're a pretty pragmatic band, aren't you. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
Look, we knew this was going to be a triple.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
We're gonna have to stay on the road, So on
the twenty second and then the twenty sixth didn't make
sense to come back to Oakland. So your team's flown
in today from Adelaide into Sydney. We'll twin to more.
We'll say Saturday, play on Sunday and come back on Monday.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
When you look back at the game last night again,
do you look to the first half and go we
need to do more in that first half of football.
That's got to be the biggest bone for Continent engine,
doesn't it, Tarry.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Look, I think we're very comfortable with the way we're
performing in both halves. I think we've been consistently keeping
the ball, moving the ball well, creating chances. But probably
the most pleasant thing for me Dart she is a
three wrong games out and the fitness levels is very
very high, and we scored a lot of goals in
the last fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Their attention to fitness detail has been prevalent right since
the club started. It's almost like a non negost. Well,
wasn't it in this day and.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
Age's you know? I had a performance of lights peak Arum.
It's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
He's got the boys very very fit, the hungry for work,
the hungry to get fitter, to get stronger, and it's
just a joy that.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
What's the train every day improvements?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Where do you think work has to change on the
park before the next game?
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Oh, look, we will assess the opposition as we do
every week. The coaches all prepare the to him accordingly
as to what we need to do to win the game.
In terms of improvement, we've got our processes, we've got
our structures that we stick to. We've got one hundred
percent trust and faith and every one of the players.
So we're just looking forward to the game on Sunday,
making sure the players recover well and prepare well.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Have you got anyone coming back? How far does your
quiver right now?
Speaker 10 (36:27):
Terry?
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Obviously Dan Hall still out with a Brooklyn ankle. He's
probably be back in five to six weeks. Hiroki was
like with Acutchion, he's clear to play a nice So yeah, look,
we've got a fit and healthy bunch, which is very
good for the coaches.
Speaker 7 (36:43):
They've got a full compliment to pick from.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
And with Steve Karker, how's he You think your heart's gone?
I thought, as he was going to explode at the
end of the eexture last night. It's a that's an
excited dude. You didn't even know where you're staying with him,
don't you.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Yeah, look, Steve, he's a very passionate guy, and I
think the players feed off that passion as well, which
is great to see, and I think the supporters appreciated
as well. So yeah, I was very pleased with him
last night that the boys kept going right to the
end and got a result, which, like I said, we
definitely deserved at least.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
It's interesting that not quite but as good as at
the top of the table still the energy required to
keep that run rolling, even though you've had some concessions
of goals and some losses. This is beyond the wild
of streams of the club surely to keep that going
and to do it over the ditch as well.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Yeah, look, we knew that to win this league you
have to be consistent both at home underway. We went
into Australia pre season as part of preparation for this.
Speaker 7 (37:43):
We spent a period of time.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
In Melbourne, period of time in Sydney to get the
players used to traveling different climates, difference a rounding. So
we've tried to prepare ourselves best we possibly could for
every scenario. The players have bought into it. The one
thing they do love is playing in front of the
Auckland supporters. As we said from the start, we're team
for the community from the community. So these two games
(38:07):
on the road, we just can't wait to get back
to Comedia Stadium against MacArthur next weekend and.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
With the upcoming match against Western Sydney Wanderers. What have
you seen? What is karaka? What are the players seen around?
Potential ways to can open their way through the defense.
Speaker 7 (38:26):
Look, I won't give too much away on here.
Speaker 5 (38:28):
Oh come on, they're not listening, Come on from the game.
But yeah, look again, total respect to all our opponents.
We give them the due respect that they deserve. They've
been good this season. The Wanderers, they've got some very
good young players. But we'll prepare accordingly. A lot of
times it's about how we do things. I will try
(38:49):
and break down the opposition, getting behind them and hurt them.
And but yeah, like I said, the preparation's gone well,
we've got two more days training in Sydney before the game,
so we're looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
And finally the love from the Expats or Aussies have
maybe turned on their own countrymen. You only have pockets
of great to see though. Isn't it that some of
the New Zealand fans are actually turning out when it
comes to those away fixtures.
Speaker 7 (39:13):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
Look, I think we when we played Melbourne City a
few weeks ago in Melbourne, there was a massive Kiwi
contingent that turned up and I become Awkland FC fans.
So yeah, look, I'd encourage as many Kiwis as possible
who's in Australia and we're there to come and support
us as get behind your native countrymen and help us
when we're in a foreign land.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Good stuff. Terry mcflyinn, Director of Football for Auckland DFC,
Thanks very much for your time and good luck for
your heart. It's it's not that close. Come the Wanderers
game on Sunday.
Speaker 7 (39:44):
Thanks for yours lovely, thank you, Take care.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
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