January 29, 2025 • 42 mins
D’Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap today's sporting news. Highlights for tonight include:
Colin Smith - Sports television rights expert - NRL bosses will put their Australian broadcast rights up for grabs this year in a move that could spark interest from foreign streaming services.
The sport's current deal with Fox Sports and Channel Nine across the ditch ends after the 2026 season.
The Daily Telegraph reports the likes of Netflix and Prime Video could be interested.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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I'm Darcy Wargrave. Mm hmm, seven after seven, Wednesday, twenty ninth,
Jamm twenty twenty five. Coming up in this evening's program,
we're going to talk about sports television rights. We've got
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to consultant Colin Smith, regular listens to the program. We
know exactly who I'm talking about. He works for Global
Media and Sport TV Rights Advisor, looking at the global
landscape of television rights, and I've got to say it's
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looking ugly if you're unaware. Recently Peter Veland's he's the
charming man who ignores New Zealand for all of it's worth,
likes the idea of selling the NRL off to Netflix
for a billion dollar broadcast. It's crazy. And how will
that affect us over here in a little old New
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Zealand tucked away in the corner of the world. More importantly,
how that affects Sky TV the platform walls continue. It'll
be joining us shortly Colin Smith on that subject, and
then we'll take your course on one hundred eighty ten
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z B z B. But before we do any of that,
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let's steal a whole lot of this sort today. A
sport today is Scotts by Agile. King has confirmed her
intention to compete at the LA Olympics. She's been plagued
by back issues and knees injuries, just like every other
old person. She's not that old. She's been named as
a wild card for the end z Open that's in March.
Core Paul Cole, you'll know him well, he's in the
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men's drawer. King's actually only a spring chicken. She'll be
thirty nine and twenty twenty eight, and she's talking about
how she's adjusted life to ensure longevity.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Trying to make sure I'm not doing too much as
opposed to earlier in my career was like, let's play
fifteen tournaments in a year and try and do as
much as I can RaaS now, I'm just trying to
make sure that I go out and play. But I'm
taking two of my boy.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Many kerr Out in the Perseverance of the White Ferns.
After becoming the first New Zealander named the ICC Women's
Cricketer of the Year. Absolute freak show playing since she's
sixteen in the national side, she's a leg spinner, she's
in alrest. You got everything She's got Player of the
Tournament of course as well. Insides twenty World Cup win
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last year. Kurtough says, the real highlight it's not poles,
it's not runs, it's memories created with teammates.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Last year we lost ten games in a row with
the White Ferns, and the way we stuck together through
that period and just stayed so close and then had
the resilience and characters to bounce back during the World
Cup was probably most pleasing thing.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
And Rory McElroy, who before he plans to play fewer
tournaments than twenty twenty five, he recks the PGA Tour
should consider cutting back its schedule than all. The Irishman
is going to slash his schedule, working just like our
last guest, well Well King from twenty seven down to
twenty two. This year our livers on the scene and
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McIlroy's virtual TGL is also getting underway. World number three
says there is a real fight for eyeble.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
I can see when the golf consumer might get a
little fatigued of everything that's available to them, to scale
it back a little bit and maybe have a little
more scarcity in some of the stuff that we do,
like the NFL.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, I suppose that brings into focus. Not going to
be talking about next there's so much what do you do?
How do you choose?
Speaker 6 (04:40):
And that's sport today.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And now we are joined on the program. I mentioned
him before. His name is Colin Smith, sports TV rights consultant.
He works for Global Media and Sport. Used to be
a rights advisor to New Zealand rugbies who take a
look at the landscape of sports broadcasting rights. Colin, good evening, mate,
Thank you, great to speak and great to have you
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on as well. Times for you. Well, it always is,
isn't it. As a sports rights consultant, this deal with
the NRL that they're trying to marry up with a
number of different massive providers. While talk about money, Dozone, Netflix, Amazon?
They're really looking to get the highest bidder, aren't they?
Speaker 7 (05:24):
Oh, they certainly are. And because it's got opportunities on
both sides of the ditch too in Australia and now
definitely New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So what will the deal look like if it's Netflix
or The Zone, whoever picks it up, what that looked
like and what would it look like for New Zealand column.
Speaker 7 (05:42):
Well, you could see them wanting to acquire the global
rights that includes New Zealand and includes Australia, and frankly
that's already happened with Major League Soccer in the United
States where Apple TV have the global rights, So you
could see there's a real opportunity and therefore to have
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across both markets, especially Australia and the significant growth market
in New Zealand and even today in New Zealand, the
NRL outrates Super Rugby of games that played live in
New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You mentioned Apple TV and I'd forgot about that player.
There are so many of these players. It's increasingly becoming
the go to for these subscriber channels such as Netflix
Apple TV. Are there more in line? Would we like
to see more of a fight here?
Speaker 7 (06:37):
Well, you could see it. But on the other hand,
you'd also see that SkyTV in New Zealand would want
to retain. The NRL definitely would want to and especially
if there's a second team saying christ Church, meaning there's
real competitive rivalry between the North and the South Ireland,
which would be huge.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
How likely is this deal to go ahead? Do you think?
What do you think will happen?
Speaker 7 (07:01):
If I put that in an Australian context, the NRL,
along side the AFL, the must have broadcasts in Australia.
So in other words, if you are a serious sports broadcaster,
you want both of those, and you probably would like
cricket in summer now that's what Foxtell has currently and
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in a New Zealand context you want rugby, but increasingly
you're going to be more interested in the NRL as well.
So the combination of both means it's very attractive to
a sports streaming service like the ones you've named a
sky TV.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
In trouble here, they lose the NRL, this will be
the death now.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
Not necessarily so, because one of the things that the
SkyTV New Zealand has done, which is really smart, they've
acquired some of the World Cup rugby rights independently of
New Zealand Rugby and they're playing, as I understand, and
hardball get the price more equitable for both in terms
of their current rights. But if they having ANRL, especially again,
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as I mentioned a second team that would be significant.
And if I was SkyTV in New Zealand and sports
their key driver, I would want both rugby and I'd
want NURL as well. If they don't have it, they
could potentially lose subscriptions from that and the key for
them is being the owner of sport in New Zealand.
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But if one of the big players comes in and
there's real economies of scale of operating in Australia and
New Zealand business, that would be a real threat.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
What about the uptake You mentioned Spark and one of
the issues they had was reasonable new technology, a lot
of people reticent to actually engage. Maybe we have a
situation where the connections weren't as fast as they as
they are now. Do you think with the advancement of
a few years and where people are going with their
ability to stream and the technology behind it, there'll be
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a big uptake. Is that going to get in the way?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Do you think.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
Streamers now have sold most of their technical issues and
can take constreme sport the most popular sports as well,
So you're going to get less of the issues of
what I'd call loosely the blackouts, which were major issues
for the rugby world cop number of years ago. In
New Zealand that won't be the case, and so they
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are genuine competitors if they want to enter the market.
The beauty is they could enter the market as they're
going to more than likely acquire Foxtel and Australia, they
could then send their product into New Zealand as well.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
What about pricing? We know what it's going to cost
when we think, we know it's going to cost these
big players, but what about us? What's that going to
do to our bill?
Speaker 7 (09:50):
They are going to make sure their competitive in the marketplace,
so you and I will want to subscribe to them.
So with attractive content, they don't have a reputation for
pricing up. They have a reputation for being low cost
in their entry prices. So in other words, your streaming
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costs for a connection to one of these streaming services
won't be excessive.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
What's the driver behind all this? So with the likes
of Apple TV and Amazon and Zone and Netflix, is
that the only growth area left?
Speaker 7 (10:26):
It is the growth area because what's happening that people
are voting. Most subscribers now have more than one streaming
service and they're watching less and less of a linear
TV or satellite TV, and they're watching on their smartphones,
on their smart TVs, etc. So it is the way
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of the world that increasingly this is going to be
how we view and watch, especially sport.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
You've got fine history and great knowledge in this space,
Colin Smith. So what does a crystal ball tell you
who's going to win these rights?
Speaker 7 (11:05):
It's a really good question. And see the the Zone
strategy is to become the Netflix of sport and so
own all the sports content. Now they've got a lot
of work to do, and that's an expensive but you
could see increasingly global players will own the major content.
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We're already seeing that with entertainment that you know, the
likes of the Disney pluses, the Paramount pluses, et cetera,
are gaining share in a global presence. So you could
see this increasingly happening with sport as well.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Are they likely to eat up things like NASCAR which
is massive in America, NFL which they've already had a
taste of, Formula one, Golf, NHL They've got a massive appetite.
Will they actually manage to dine out on these huge,
huge American based sport How important is that for them?
Speaker 7 (12:02):
A class example, the Zone acquired the global rights for
NFL Pass in other words, which is streaming outside of
the USA and Canada, for a billion US dollars, So
they've got the global rights. So if in New Zealand
you want to watch all of the NFL, you can
get some on ESPN, but most of your content, on
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all of your content, you can watch on NFL Pass,
which is through the Zone. Similarly, that's the same issue
in Australia, or if you and I were in Singapore,
the same issue would apply there too. It's all about
premium properties too. So the premium properties in New Zealand
is Rugby and also fast approaching NRL as well.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I'm interested in the Formula one space maindly because I'm
an absolute if one tragic but when you look at
major global sports that are oozing money, that's got to
be almost right at the top of the tree, doesn't it, Colin.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
Oh yeah, no question. And you see the interesting thing
is there Formula one is owned by media and it's
been unbelievably successful. The numbers of attendances, the viewership, the
global viewership is up enormously, so the value of those
rights are also increasing and see one of the strategies
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that design is God in Europe is owning a lot
of those rights throughout Europe, you know, in other words Germany, Spain, Portugal, etc.
And then supported by football and fight sports with.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Us at the bottom line column. Should we be cheering
this song you touched on it before? Will that drop
the prices for your average consumer with a conglomerate like
this or is it a threat to us?
Speaker 7 (13:50):
I don't think it's neither a threat. What it is
a threat to is if the sports themselves don't get
the houses in order and create really attractive content and
also commercial rights organized. It is a threat to those.
I see as a plus because it will increase the
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competitive environment. But again I think the way that Sky
has acquired rugby content outside of New Zealand Rugby that
New Zealanders want, that's pretty smart on their part. But
how New Zealand Rugby goes forward and how it addresses
the provincial championships, they are more issues because viewers are
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turning off those right now, and how do you get
them back. For the forward thinking sports and the ones
who are really trying to drive attendencies in viewership, I
think it's a real plus. If it's a plus for that,
it's a plus for the fans as well.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
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Speaker 2 (15:01):
It's Colin Smith there. He's a global media and sports
that's his company, television rights consultant used to work with
and his Zelle and Rugby back in the day. Looking
at what's happening in sport and local, say local Australasian
sport with this news that the NRLs and talk with
talks of Amazon or Netflix with the zone billion dollar
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broadcast deal billion dollars to the highest bidder, if you will,
And what a fact that's actually gonna have on us
over here. Now, there's one way you could look at this.
You could say, I don't care the mast, he doesn't
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bother me. Be at Amazon, or be it Netflex, or
be it Disney, there's a number of others involved. Be
at ESPN. It doesn't matter. As long as I get
my content. It doesn't matter to me where it's channeled
through and how much who paid for what. Now that's
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a pretty easy way of doing it. I like to
think it to make it cheaper. But I've thought that
before and it's been an absolute failure because they'll rense
us for everything they possibly can if they've got the
content we want, the charges what I want, of course,
across a number of platforms, like as I was talking
with producer Duff before about what I pay for as
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far as platforms are concerned, and that goes across Spotify
and Amazon Prime and Netflix and sky TV and everything else,
and it really really starts to mount up. And I
can justify it because it's what I do for a living.
But I suppose you're regular punter, you can't. And the
bigger thing as opposed to just what we're getting, or
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I'm interested in your thoughts, how will it affect at
ground level what happens in sport over here in New Zealand,
the local game. What do we stand to lose here?
The more and more atched our sport becomes from where
it's born, where it's bred, the less control we have
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over the coverage of it, the less it becomes a
product that we totally and utterly engage in. It becomes
a product that's a lot easier to understand for the
broader market, for the wider market, for the global market.
So it gets dumbed down and some of the nuanced
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nature of things like rugby and the cricket disappeared. That's
what we stand to lose, and we stand to lose engagement,
which is what we saw in cricket. If everybody has
to pay for it, the people who can't don't, and
you've got old generation of people who don't play the games.
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Talk about the fourth meally, Kurt. If you want to
be it, you've got to see it, right, That's what's
not happening. So tell me how comfortable you are with
Netflix or does Zone picking up the TV rights to
the NRL. Is that going to just your thinking around
whether you carry on with your rampant fanning if you will,
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or is it just easy enough to step away now
I can't do this anymore. The NRL well may end
up being a plaything for Netflix or Dezone. How's that
going to affect you? How are you going to balance
that out.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
With what you do?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
It's been taken away from us. I'm not entirely comfortable
with that at all. You O eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
The more global it gets so far it goes from us,
the less we get that represents what we stand for
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Coming in two thick thoughts on text ninet two nine
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of the likes of the NRL being snared by Netflix
or Designe or another massive global streaming service because you
hear a guy writes his design crapped out, or they're
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trying to watch the Fury U Sick Fight and I'm
using them again, and this is this is a problem.
Even though when Spark turned up, remember all the talk
back around that not only was it difficult because the
Internet feeds are pretty slow and rubbishy. Back then, the
whole concept of changing away from the skybox, which is
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very very simple to operate to this new fangled world
of apps on your smart television and the like, it
was too much for a lot of people. They weren't interested.
There's the thought that may happen again. It's another question
for you to be with you, SHORTLEYD Trevor? Do you
think we're more used to it now?
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Though?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I think as it increases, and as technology moves forward
and becomes faster and becomes easier to access and use,
because it's a lot more user friendly than it was,
is this less of a problem now? Are we less
likely to stick around with something like sky? We don't
find it as frightening or complex to move into this
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new world of digital TV. And I'm interested in some
of the older listeners as well, and I don't want
to be just about it. I'm an older listener, I'm
an older broadcaster. What I've got? Andy, My producer says
to me, I really don't want you getting online and
trying to find streams of this and that, because you'll
you'll throw your TV out the window.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
And he's right.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
But as it develops, it's getting easy and easy for me.
Is it easy and easy for you?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Out there?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
A few bit longer than the tooth? Trevor? How are you?
Speaker 8 (21:31):
How are you dance?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Roy?
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
We're not so bad, not so bad.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Yeah, I don't worry about it. Being a mate, I proudly,
I'm proudly to tell everybody I'm a boomer. I'm a
proud boomer.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
But my entarger thinks I'm a boomer, but I'm actually
gen X. But i'ly to keep thinking.
Speaker 8 (21:45):
That that's too technical. Dance, there's too technical. I mean,
so I'm talking from a boomer, and I know a boomer.
Actually that's made a perfect pathetic effort of trying to
move in through the new modern world everything wise, computer
wise and TV wise. So for me, it's always been
Sky and for me you probably know over the years,
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it's just I just love it. I absolutely love it,
and so it's a little bit scary for me. But
I'll get the old grandson if I have to. If
Sky Sport don't have it, I'll have to get them
to set me up, the set me up the news system.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
But you know, so you'll move regardless because you're a
massive thing. Well, I'll just deal with it, right.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
I have to, Yeah, I'll have to. I mean, I've
always liked Sky mainly because my my first to change
in the world. It's pretty sluggish, pretty sluggish really. But
what I want to know, so if they take over
the NRL, what happens to the other stuff that I like?
Like NRL three sixty. You know the magazine type programs
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we have can have a beer and a bit of
a bit of a laugh with Matthew John's and things
like that. Do they just concentrate on the actual games
or do they do You got to have two things
for the magazine part of it and another one for
the games.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
On who controls the content? And you'd suggest if it
was an overlord, they would say we want this and
this and this, We're not interested in that, or does
some control rest back with the NRL say hey, we
know what our fans want and we have to go
down this path because regardless of what you think of
Peter Bland's and at that, they've created a sensational competition
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that people are thirsting for. So you'd suggest Netflix design
whoever buys it would have to listen to them because
they're the reason that the sport is worth so much money.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
Right now, you did right, And I wanted to say
about the land either. Firstly, people probably don't care or
don't even know, don't know but don't care. He just
revolutionized New South Roales horse racing, where whereas ahead of
Victoria racing now and you know he's just and what
he's done to the NRL and I don't know whether
it will turn around and buy them one day, but
what he's done to the NRL is just mind blowing.
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He you know, during COVID, I think he is the
first sporting competent in the world. He got it up,
he got it working. It wasn't ideal, it was difficult
for some of the teams, some of the players didn't play,
but you know, he got a rugby league on TV
when all other sports had done nothing. Is what he's
done to the ladies competition, it's fantastic. You know. I
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don't mean to be like offend anybody here, but he's
attracting New Zealand rugby players now to go and play
in the woman's NRL because of what it is and
what he's producing. And so yeah, he I mean, Peter
bland Is. I don't know if there's any worldwide sports
or sports on America I have ever heard of him,
but I mean everything he's touched in this part of
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the world, he has just turned into a colossus, a colossus.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Beast, and I just worship as always, thanks very much
for your core. I just wish he'd talk to a
Christian expansion group, just maybe give us the time of day.
Possibly maybe not eighty ten eighty. So that is a
self confessed boomer in Trevor that said, I have to
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move with the times. I have no choice. The product
is so good they've got me. Is he a rarity?
This guy Unicorn? Hey Paul, what's on your mind?
Speaker 9 (25:24):
It's okay, I see, I'm a fellow gen X like yourself.
Speaker 8 (25:27):
Mate.
Speaker 9 (25:31):
You see trip is right Landi's is well, he's a
visionary man, you know. I mean, participation has never been
as good viewership as a crowd numbers and so on.
So you've got to give it to the guy, you
know what that and I think he can see the
trends that are happening now with people. We all know
that the likes of TV ins and TV three are
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basically struggling because people want to watch what they want
to watch, when they want to watch it, without adverts
and without being told how to think, and without a
bias media. So yeah, the likes the likes of the Netflix,
where you can can watch what you want without adverts
and you can turn it off and turn it on.
I think it's a great idea for sport and for
something like the MRL because you don't get all the
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all the other rubbish with it.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
That's sky TV though, isn't it.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
Paul, Well, yeah, but sky TV. To be honest, I
think it is a dying thing. It's it's it's it's
a it's fast leave to be honest. I mean, you
know they're they're looking at at Rugby Union and they're
seing empty stadiums, so they're even dropping what they're prepared
to pay Rugby now.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
So I think sports, when it comes to appointment viewing, well,
we can watch I'm watching something at the moment, and
I'm starting to watch drama and less sport. But you
want to watch it live as it happens, when it happens.
That that's the kicker with sport as opposed to I
want to watch it when I want. However I want it,
And that's a key thing, any access to it live,
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because that's where the excitement is.
Speaker 9 (27:05):
Yeah, it's that's true.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (27:08):
I mean for all the Dallas and haters towards for Landis,
you know, you do have to give it to them,
give credit credit where credit is due. But you know
you're looking at the likes of Amazon and I mean,
the NRL's in a fantastic position. You know you've got
now you've got nine seven and Fox will be fighting
for the rights of the NRAL. That was unheard of,
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you know, ten or so years ago before Landis come
on the scene. So you know he the NRL's in
a great position. And now if you're talking Netflix, I mean,
as you know who d s, I'm a huge NRL.
Lea bring Eleak sand and old pay for wherever I can.
And if it's Netflix, it means getting rid of Skyle Soviet.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
If Netflix is almost easier for people to accept though,
because it's it's standard. It's on Netflix. People I think
have all got access to Netflix on their TVs. Anyway,
that's not so scary. Designe might be a bit scary.
And just wind you Backpaul to what's going on with
for Landis. And I complain that you never hear anything
(28:09):
about him about an expansion in christ Church. He hasn't
returned phone calls. And when he was down in christ Church,
I didn't meet with anyone and I won't want to
how about this for a thought, He's been so right
and everything else. Maybe he knows that it's a waste
of time, so it's just not giving it the light
of day. And based on what he's achieved, he might
be right. Have you thought about that?
Speaker 9 (28:31):
Well, my firstal thoughts are that we will get a
second team, you know, I mean, I know that we
can go on and on and on about that, but
those are my thoughts. You know, there are we have
an eighteenth team, there are two more teams to come
into the competition, and in my opinion is that New
Zealand will have another team.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
All right, Paul, Well, I hope for my sake, you're sake,
in New Zealand League's sake. You're absolutely right, and I
am not confident at all. It just struck me before
that even though he break vial and he's for ignoring
the expansion and coming anywhere near it, he's been so
right and everything else. Once he's probably right again, you
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look after your own backyard. What does need to go
back to New Zealand a game when he's got Perth
and Adelaide and other places that could do with an
NRL side. I'm interested in the leap from older people
around if the NRL leaves SkyTV, because suddenly it is
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sold to Netflix for a billion dollars and Netflix go great,
We'll got New Zealand and the deal as well. Sky
loses everything. How likely are you to a technology a
technological fobe to want to climb in to a platform
like Netflix just to get your sport? What it actually
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push you over? Because that's why Netflix are doing this.
It doesz oone said they wanted to be the Spotify sport.
I spect Netflix want to do something similar and they'll
drag people on board to their experience through sport. So
it's enough to make you pick it up and go
join the modern world. I've got it already. My daughter
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helps you through it. Twenty one away from eight sports
look on that news talk ZZB. Just a couple of
quick texts. He said, it's going to be the Netflix
of sport, talking about Colin Smith. It's not going to happen.
Netflix will take sports. They already have the infrastructure and
low delivery costs. So the Netflix of sport will be
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the Netflix of sport. There's a sports talk you're o
news talks e b oh one hundred eighty ten eighty
text nine two nine. Not guilty he who does not
build me, it's not real the medim he doesn't exist.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
The said you.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
About down ab.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Now seventeen minutes the eight SportsTalk car and news stalks thereby,
would you drop Sky flat out if the NRL disappeared?
Speaker 10 (31:22):
God?
Speaker 4 (31:22):
No more.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
As opposed to would you pick up Netflix? For example,
if they suddenly became the sole provider? Would the rest
of the Sky product go down the toilet if you
left them? Would you forget about it? They hanging by
a thread. You've got some rugby and how long before
(31:47):
major streamer come in and buy all the All Blacks
games because Zidra broke, Suddenly provincial rugby and Super Rugby
is staggering? Is it not? Well that makes sense to you.
I'll take the cream. I'm such a doomsday man. I'm
sorry about that. Let's get in some text. The problem
(32:08):
with the NRL and rugby is a limited market. Neither
are truly global sports. After the NRL want a billion dollars,
it'll need to be over ten years. I suppose a
bigger market then rugby union. How many ossies are there any?
Twenty something million, twenty five million, eh and plus you
(32:30):
throw an ass at five million. Maybe it's maybe it's worthwhile.
Who actually pays for sport, writes another person, there is
the Internet now complex? Too complex when it comes to
finding streams and deleting pop ups and avoiding the cops
everything else you've got to do. People want a simple interface.
Speaker 7 (32:53):
I know, I do.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
You get rough with if we're going to start going
through too many hoops to try and find what I want?
But this is a generational problem, not for the younger ones.
But thanks for your text. Correct Provincial Rugby, Well it's
more popular than Super Rugby. You think the zell and
will fight for it. Nope, So it's another nail in
the coffin. As miserable as I am this character. Those
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signed up with Netflix to get the WWE and it
becomes a bulk situation where do you get all you're
bang for buck? Are you willing to sacrifice some viewing
experiences for others? So it's weighed up on what you
enjoy more. Now, Liam Lawson is racing in Formula one,
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so I'm with Sky for as long as they've got
F one. That's my main focus and feature for this year.
If they lose the NRL, if they were to lose
Super Rugby becomes a balancing point though, where you're getting
more for your money on one channel than the other.
(34:01):
Do you take two? Because if you take Amazon and
you take net Fleet and you take Sky, suddenly over
one hundred bucks a month and you're probably not watching
as much TV anyway, Darcy, I forgot to ask or
mention you should try and get Valandies on your show, Trevor.
I've been trying for a year. In fact, not only
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have I been trying. Andy Duff, producer EXTRAORDINAI has been trying.
He's a lot polite than I do. So Nope, we'll
get there. We'll try it.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
We will try it.
Speaker 7 (34:35):
For me.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
It's only the Football Premiership. If that's gone, I'm out.
And I must have done research on what more eyebell
eyeballs relax on as to where their money is going
to be and wants to know the name of a
sleeping pill that doesn't make you drowsy in the morning.
We'll just I can't help you with that, and I'm sorry, Millennial.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
Here here we go.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
If you and you went to Netflix, I would drop
Sky Sport right away and get Netflix again. It's what
you prefer. Why, Darcy, the sener Sky liquidates, the better
they are, hopeless, You should have been listening to Marcus's
show last night. That's from Wayne, Thanks very much. I
think it's a fight. Do we stand to lose out
of anybody as the consumer? Sadly yes, it's twelve minutes
(35:28):
away from eight. Boden Barrett faced the media today. What
was he asked? How did he reply.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
This?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
You will find out next here on sports Talk on
News Talk ZB. I could see the whole city from
(36:03):
his balcony back in twenty nineteen, nine minutes eight sports
Look on news TOKS. Thereb a couple of texts for you.
Does he formula one hundred bucks a year? I'm presuming
if you buy it straight through there with the app
way better coverage and options than Sky coverage. Ross.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
I get that, but.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
My job says I have to have Sky, so I'll
run with that as well. That I think the coverage
from what I know, you can climb in cars and
all sorts of things. It does sound like a step above.
I would drop Sky faster than the speed of lights.
Premier League if one and NRL are keeping Sky alive,
and Netflix is as cheap as chips, It's a reasonable
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amount of content Premier League if One, NRL, but I
suppose what's what kicks you over? What I don't like
about Sky, and I'm going to get onto Bowden Barrett shortly.
What I don't like about Sky is the fact that
I have to pay for all the other pup there
I can't stand. I've got to pay the forty dollars
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or thirty dollars a month so I can get endless
episodes of British and American PAP. I would rather pug
my own eyes out than watch all of that program.
I'm only in it for the sport, and that's the problem.
I get a whold of stuff I simply don't want.
(37:30):
So okay, so go and get Sky Sport now so
you can just watch the sport. But the interface is
no fun. I can't find what I want, I can't
record it, I can't win. Just pay the money, Darcy,
stop complaining, right, let's go to Boden Barrett Dussy. Sure
he hasn't got too many problems and stuff like this.
He's probably has a man to do it for him.
This is Boden on playing DMAC because of course those
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guys fighting for the first five eighth spot for the
all back this is him. I'm playing Dmac in the
very first round of Super Rugby, which is so close
the two best tens on the planet okay, the best
tens in New zunand coming for it always.
Speaker 10 (38:10):
I really enjoy going head to head with my my mate,
and I think more importantly as a rematch from last
year's final, they probably want a little bit of revenge
for us. It's an opportunity for the fans to come
out and feel their support because Eden Park's a great
place to play rugby, and for me, if I'm part
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of the team, I'm really excited to get back into it.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, if they're thinking Ravene just the wrong motivation, it
will fail dismally. You can't do that, says coach does
all sorts. The first opportunity for Body and d Man
to get the first notch as so far as taking
that step toward being All Black first fight right. Anyway,
here's body stance on Richie Warner, who's not coming back
early to the All Blacks.
Speaker 10 (38:55):
Oh gosh, look, I'm not really in a position to comment.
I'm just not across it well enough and you can
open a huge can of worms around that. But I
think we just have to back what us on the
rugby are going with. Otherwise it sets a bad precedent
for the next generation. But yeah, it's different for South Africa.
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They've got the reasons why. But for the time being,
I think he's in a rugby have showed a little
bit of backbone around it.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Body. To me, sounds like he's saying he'd love to
say something, but insidersaid, don't you bloody dare So he's
chosen not to, which makes sense. They're is paymasters anyway,
thanks for answering. Going off and this is Boden Barrett
going through Six Nations predictions for the year. I'll start
Etali are going to be the last. You can carry on, Boden.
Speaker 8 (39:49):
Yeah, Like.
Speaker 10 (39:51):
During that series, I thought we got Ireland at the
right time. They were coming off a break. It was
a prime time to hit them early in their season.
They'll be different come Six Nations. I still think, yeah, England,
Ireland and France. Between one of those teams it's theirs
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to win. France go really deep and I'd probably have
them and his favorites at the stage, but we're not
allowed to say that.
Speaker 7 (40:24):
But I know the.
Speaker 10 (40:25):
Competition up here is really strong. Actually are respected and
Scotland are always Wales will I've got their backs against
the wall. But for me it's it's probably France at
the stage.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Funny actually, respect I said before, said I don't want
to get into trouble. I can't say that's so what
you want?
Speaker 7 (40:51):
No, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Say whatever you want, like, don't go to faming anyone
because that's got are you getting to some legal problem there?
Speaker 7 (40:58):
Say what you think? Buddy?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Who want you to say what you think? I'm glad
Richie's not coming back. That's my jersey something like that. Yes,
I'm looking forward to tearing d Mak a new one
so I can run the cutter of rest of the year.
He's a nice guy and normally he's very good. Then
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it really respected, just perfect bode embarrassed sever for rugby.
It's about half an hour away. It's that close, and
I'm excited for it. Not entirely short why it's got
nothing to do with the Crusaders not winning. That depressed me.
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But I've got a there's a feeling it could be
something quite spectacular.
Speaker 9 (41:47):
We will see.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
There's news talks ev on Sports Talk and all to go.
Thanks for listening, and he Duff thanks for wiping the
dribble off my chin ah.
Speaker 10 (41:58):
Actually are respected.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Marcus Laska bye, who I'm not in Rugby. Surely we
like their wine. The food's fantastic. The right obny go,
it's gonna be Italians lighting up at the front door.
A little bit of strife Marcus sliced up next than up.
Thank you so much for your time, and thank you
all for listening. I'm Darcy back tomorrow from.
Speaker 6 (42:25):
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I'm Darcy Wargrave. Mm hmm, seven after seven, Wednesday, twenty ninth,
Jamm twenty twenty five. Coming up in this evening's program,
we're going to talk about sports television rights. We've got
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to consultant Colin Smith, regular listens to the program. We
know exactly who I'm talking about. He works for Global
Media and Sport TV Rights Advisor, looking at the global
landscape of television rights, and I've got to say it's
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looking ugly if you're unaware. Recently Peter Veland's he's the
charming man who ignores New Zealand for all of it's worth,
likes the idea of selling the NRL off to Netflix
for a billion dollar broadcast. It's crazy. And how will
that affect us over here in a little old New
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Zealand tucked away in the corner of the world. More importantly,
how that affects Sky TV the platform walls continue. It'll
be joining us shortly Colin Smith on that subject, and
then we'll take your course on one hundred eighty ten
eighty con text through nine two nine two that is
z B z B. But before we do any of that,
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let's steal a whole lot of this sort today. A
sport today is Scotts by Agile. King has confirmed her
intention to compete at the LA Olympics. She's been plagued
by back issues and knees injuries, just like every other
old person. She's not that old. She's been named as
a wild card for the end z Open that's in March.
Core Paul Cole, you'll know him well, he's in the
(02:43):
men's drawer. King's actually only a spring chicken. She'll be
thirty nine and twenty twenty eight, and she's talking about
how she's adjusted life to ensure longevity.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Trying to make sure I'm not doing too much as
opposed to earlier in my career was like, let's play
fifteen tournaments in a year and try and do as
much as I can RaaS now, I'm just trying to
make sure that I go out and play. But I'm
taking two of my boy.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Many kerr Out in the Perseverance of the White Ferns.
After becoming the first New Zealander named the ICC Women's
Cricketer of the Year. Absolute freak show playing since she's
sixteen in the national side, she's a leg spinner, she's
in alrest. You got everything She's got Player of the
Tournament of course as well. Insides twenty World Cup win
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last year. Kurtough says, the real highlight it's not poles,
it's not runs, it's memories created with teammates.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Last year we lost ten games in a row with
the White Ferns, and the way we stuck together through
that period and just stayed so close and then had
the resilience and characters to bounce back during the World
Cup was probably most pleasing thing.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
And Rory McElroy, who before he plans to play fewer
tournaments than twenty twenty five, he recks the PGA Tour
should consider cutting back its schedule than all. The Irishman
is going to slash his schedule, working just like our
last guest, well Well King from twenty seven down to
twenty two. This year our livers on the scene and
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McIlroy's virtual TGL is also getting underway. World number three
says there is a real fight for eyeble.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
I can see when the golf consumer might get a
little fatigued of everything that's available to them, to scale
it back a little bit and maybe have a little
more scarcity in some of the stuff that we do,
like the NFL.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, I suppose that brings into focus. Not going to
be talking about next there's so much what do you do?
How do you choose?
Speaker 6 (04:40):
And that's sport today.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And now we are joined on the program. I mentioned
him before. His name is Colin Smith, sports TV rights consultant.
He works for Global Media and Sport. Used to be
a rights advisor to New Zealand rugbies who take a
look at the landscape of sports broadcasting rights. Colin, good evening, mate,
Thank you, great to speak and great to have you
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on as well. Times for you. Well, it always is,
isn't it. As a sports rights consultant, this deal with
the NRL that they're trying to marry up with a
number of different massive providers. While talk about money, Dozone, Netflix, Amazon?
They're really looking to get the highest bidder, aren't they?
Speaker 7 (05:24):
Oh, they certainly are. And because it's got opportunities on
both sides of the ditch too in Australia and now
definitely New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So what will the deal look like if it's Netflix
or The Zone, whoever picks it up, what that looked
like and what would it look like for New Zealand column.
Speaker 7 (05:42):
Well, you could see them wanting to acquire the global
rights that includes New Zealand and includes Australia, and frankly
that's already happened with Major League Soccer in the United
States where Apple TV have the global rights, So you
could see there's a real opportunity and therefore to have
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across both markets, especially Australia and the significant growth market
in New Zealand and even today in New Zealand, the
NRL outrates Super Rugby of games that played live in
New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You mentioned Apple TV and I'd forgot about that player.
There are so many of these players. It's increasingly becoming
the go to for these subscriber channels such as Netflix
Apple TV. Are there more in line? Would we like
to see more of a fight here?
Speaker 7 (06:37):
Well, you could see it. But on the other hand,
you'd also see that SkyTV in New Zealand would want
to retain. The NRL definitely would want to and especially
if there's a second team saying christ Church, meaning there's
real competitive rivalry between the North and the South Ireland,
which would be huge.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
How likely is this deal to go ahead? Do you think?
What do you think will happen?
Speaker 7 (07:01):
If I put that in an Australian context, the NRL,
along side the AFL, the must have broadcasts in Australia.
So in other words, if you are a serious sports broadcaster,
you want both of those, and you probably would like
cricket in summer now that's what Foxtell has currently and
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in a New Zealand context you want rugby, but increasingly
you're going to be more interested in the NRL as well.
So the combination of both means it's very attractive to
a sports streaming service like the ones you've named a
sky TV.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
In trouble here, they lose the NRL, this will be
the death now.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
Not necessarily so, because one of the things that the
SkyTV New Zealand has done, which is really smart, they've
acquired some of the World Cup rugby rights independently of
New Zealand Rugby and they're playing, as I understand, and
hardball get the price more equitable for both in terms
of their current rights. But if they having ANRL, especially again,
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as I mentioned a second team that would be significant.
And if I was SkyTV in New Zealand and sports
their key driver, I would want both rugby and I'd
want NURL as well. If they don't have it, they
could potentially lose subscriptions from that and the key for
them is being the owner of sport in New Zealand.
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But if one of the big players comes in and
there's real economies of scale of operating in Australia and
New Zealand business, that would be a real threat.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
What about the uptake You mentioned Spark and one of
the issues they had was reasonable new technology, a lot
of people reticent to actually engage. Maybe we have a
situation where the connections weren't as fast as they as
they are now. Do you think with the advancement of
a few years and where people are going with their
ability to stream and the technology behind it, there'll be
(09:01):
a big uptake. Is that going to get in the way?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Do you think.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
Streamers now have sold most of their technical issues and
can take constreme sport the most popular sports as well,
So you're going to get less of the issues of
what I'd call loosely the blackouts, which were major issues
for the rugby world cop number of years ago. In
New Zealand that won't be the case, and so they
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are genuine competitors if they want to enter the market.
The beauty is they could enter the market as they're
going to more than likely acquire Foxtel and Australia, they
could then send their product into New Zealand as well.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
What about pricing? We know what it's going to cost
when we think, we know it's going to cost these
big players, but what about us? What's that going to
do to our bill?
Speaker 7 (09:50):
They are going to make sure their competitive in the marketplace,
so you and I will want to subscribe to them.
So with attractive content, they don't have a reputation for
pricing up. They have a reputation for being low cost
in their entry prices. So in other words, your streaming
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costs for a connection to one of these streaming services
won't be excessive.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
What's the driver behind all this? So with the likes
of Apple TV and Amazon and Zone and Netflix, is
that the only growth area left?
Speaker 7 (10:26):
It is the growth area because what's happening that people
are voting. Most subscribers now have more than one streaming
service and they're watching less and less of a linear
TV or satellite TV, and they're watching on their smartphones,
on their smart TVs, etc. So it is the way
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of the world that increasingly this is going to be
how we view and watch, especially sport.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
You've got fine history and great knowledge in this space,
Colin Smith. So what does a crystal ball tell you
who's going to win these rights?
Speaker 7 (11:05):
It's a really good question. And see the the Zone
strategy is to become the Netflix of sport and so
own all the sports content. Now they've got a lot
of work to do, and that's an expensive but you
could see increasingly global players will own the major content.
(11:26):
We're already seeing that with entertainment that you know, the
likes of the Disney pluses, the Paramount pluses, et cetera,
are gaining share in a global presence. So you could
see this increasingly happening with sport as well.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Are they likely to eat up things like NASCAR which
is massive in America, NFL which they've already had a
taste of, Formula one, Golf, NHL They've got a massive appetite.
Will they actually manage to dine out on these huge,
huge American based sport How important is that for them?
Speaker 7 (12:02):
A class example, the Zone acquired the global rights for
NFL Pass in other words, which is streaming outside of
the USA and Canada, for a billion US dollars, So
they've got the global rights. So if in New Zealand
you want to watch all of the NFL, you can
get some on ESPN, but most of your content, on
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all of your content, you can watch on NFL Pass,
which is through the Zone. Similarly, that's the same issue
in Australia, or if you and I were in Singapore,
the same issue would apply there too. It's all about
premium properties too. So the premium properties in New Zealand
is Rugby and also fast approaching NRL as well.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I'm interested in the Formula one space maindly because I'm
an absolute if one tragic but when you look at
major global sports that are oozing money, that's got to
be almost right at the top of the tree, doesn't it, Colin.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
Oh yeah, no question. And you see the interesting thing
is there Formula one is owned by media and it's
been unbelievably successful. The numbers of attendances, the viewership, the
global viewership is up enormously, so the value of those
rights are also increasing and see one of the strategies
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that design is God in Europe is owning a lot
of those rights throughout Europe, you know, in other words Germany, Spain, Portugal, etc.
And then supported by football and fight sports with.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Us at the bottom line column. Should we be cheering
this song you touched on it before? Will that drop
the prices for your average consumer with a conglomerate like
this or is it a threat to us?
Speaker 7 (13:50):
I don't think it's neither a threat. What it is
a threat to is if the sports themselves don't get
the houses in order and create really attractive content and
also commercial rights organized. It is a threat to those.
I see as a plus because it will increase the
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competitive environment. But again I think the way that Sky
has acquired rugby content outside of New Zealand Rugby that
New Zealanders want, that's pretty smart on their part. But
how New Zealand Rugby goes forward and how it addresses
the provincial championships, they are more issues because viewers are
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turning off those right now, and how do you get
them back. For the forward thinking sports and the ones
who are really trying to drive attendencies in viewership, I
think it's a real plus. If it's a plus for that,
it's a plus for the fans as well.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
The right call is your call on eight Sports Talk,
call on your home of sports News Talks.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
It's Colin Smith there. He's a global media and sports
that's his company, television rights consultant used to work with
and his Zelle and Rugby back in the day. Looking
at what's happening in sport and local, say local Australasian
sport with this news that the NRLs and talk with
talks of Amazon or Netflix with the zone billion dollar
(15:24):
broadcast deal billion dollars to the highest bidder, if you will,
And what a fact that's actually gonna have on us
over here. Now, there's one way you could look at this.
You could say, I don't care the mast, he doesn't
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bother me. Be at Amazon, or be it Netflex, or
be it Disney, there's a number of others involved. Be
at ESPN. It doesn't matter. As long as I get
my content. It doesn't matter to me where it's channeled
through and how much who paid for what. Now that's
(16:08):
a pretty easy way of doing it. I like to
think it to make it cheaper. But I've thought that
before and it's been an absolute failure because they'll rense
us for everything they possibly can if they've got the
content we want, the charges what I want, of course,
across a number of platforms, like as I was talking
with producer Duff before about what I pay for as
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far as platforms are concerned, and that goes across Spotify
and Amazon Prime and Netflix and sky TV and everything else,
and it really really starts to mount up. And I
can justify it because it's what I do for a living.
But I suppose you're regular punter, you can't. And the
bigger thing as opposed to just what we're getting, or
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I'm interested in your thoughts, how will it affect at
ground level what happens in sport over here in New Zealand,
the local game. What do we stand to lose here?
The more and more atched our sport becomes from where
it's born, where it's bred, the less control we have
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over the coverage of it, the less it becomes a
product that we totally and utterly engage in. It becomes
a product that's a lot easier to understand for the
broader market, for the wider market, for the global market.
So it gets dumbed down and some of the nuanced
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nature of things like rugby and the cricket disappeared. That's
what we stand to lose, and we stand to lose engagement,
which is what we saw in cricket. If everybody has
to pay for it, the people who can't don't, and
you've got old generation of people who don't play the games.
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Talk about the fourth meally, Kurt. If you want to
be it, you've got to see it, right, That's what's
not happening. So tell me how comfortable you are with
Netflix or does Zone picking up the TV rights to
the NRL. Is that going to just your thinking around
whether you carry on with your rampant fanning if you will,
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or is it just easy enough to step away now
I can't do this anymore. The NRL well may end
up being a plaything for Netflix or Dezone. How's that
going to affect you? How are you going to balance
that out.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
With what you do?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
It's been taken away from us. I'm not entirely comfortable
with that at all. You O eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
The more global it gets so far it goes from us,
the less we get that represents what we stand for
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your thoughts, and as well on news talk ZB it's
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Speaker 7 (19:20):
No need for the d m O.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
We've got the breakdown on sports talk call news talks.
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Coming in two thick thoughts on text ninet two nine
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of the likes of the NRL being snared by Netflix
or Designe or another massive global streaming service because you
hear a guy writes his design crapped out, or they're
(20:00):
trying to watch the Fury U Sick Fight and I'm
using them again, and this is this is a problem.
Even though when Spark turned up, remember all the talk
back around that not only was it difficult because the
Internet feeds are pretty slow and rubbishy. Back then, the
whole concept of changing away from the skybox, which is
(20:20):
very very simple to operate to this new fangled world
of apps on your smart television and the like, it
was too much for a lot of people. They weren't interested.
There's the thought that may happen again. It's another question
for you to be with you, SHORTLEYD Trevor? Do you
think we're more used to it now?
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Though?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I think as it increases, and as technology moves forward
and becomes faster and becomes easier to access and use,
because it's a lot more user friendly than it was,
is this less of a problem now? Are we less
likely to stick around with something like sky? We don't
find it as frightening or complex to move into this
(21:00):
new world of digital TV. And I'm interested in some
of the older listeners as well, and I don't want
to be just about it. I'm an older listener, I'm
an older broadcaster. What I've got? Andy, My producer says
to me, I really don't want you getting online and
trying to find streams of this and that, because you'll
you'll throw your TV out the window.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
And he's right.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
But as it develops, it's getting easy and easy for me.
Is it easy and easy for you?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Out there?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
A few bit longer than the tooth? Trevor? How are you?
Speaker 8 (21:31):
How are you dance?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Roy?
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
We're not so bad, not so bad.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Yeah, I don't worry about it. Being a mate, I proudly,
I'm proudly to tell everybody I'm a boomer. I'm a
proud boomer.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
But my entarger thinks I'm a boomer, but I'm actually
gen X. But i'ly to keep thinking.
Speaker 8 (21:45):
That that's too technical. Dance, there's too technical. I mean,
so I'm talking from a boomer, and I know a boomer.
Actually that's made a perfect pathetic effort of trying to
move in through the new modern world everything wise, computer
wise and TV wise. So for me, it's always been
Sky and for me you probably know over the years,
(22:06):
it's just I just love it. I absolutely love it,
and so it's a little bit scary for me. But
I'll get the old grandson if I have to. If
Sky Sport don't have it, I'll have to get them
to set me up, the set me up the news system.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
But you know, so you'll move regardless because you're a
massive thing. Well, I'll just deal with it, right.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
I have to, Yeah, I'll have to. I mean, I've
always liked Sky mainly because my my first to change
in the world. It's pretty sluggish, pretty sluggish really. But
what I want to know, so if they take over
the NRL, what happens to the other stuff that I like?
Like NRL three sixty. You know the magazine type programs
(22:50):
we have can have a beer and a bit of
a bit of a laugh with Matthew John's and things
like that. Do they just concentrate on the actual games
or do they do You got to have two things
for the magazine part of it and another one for
the games.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
On who controls the content? And you'd suggest if it
was an overlord, they would say we want this and
this and this, We're not interested in that, or does
some control rest back with the NRL say hey, we
know what our fans want and we have to go
down this path because regardless of what you think of
Peter Bland's and at that, they've created a sensational competition
(23:30):
that people are thirsting for. So you'd suggest Netflix design
whoever buys it would have to listen to them because
they're the reason that the sport is worth so much money.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
Right now, you did right, And I wanted to say
about the land either. Firstly, people probably don't care or
don't even know, don't know but don't care. He just
revolutionized New South Roales horse racing, where whereas ahead of
Victoria racing now and you know he's just and what
he's done to the NRL and I don't know whether
it will turn around and buy them one day, but
what he's done to the NRL is just mind blowing.
(24:03):
He you know, during COVID, I think he is the
first sporting competent in the world. He got it up,
he got it working. It wasn't ideal, it was difficult
for some of the teams, some of the players didn't play,
but you know, he got a rugby league on TV
when all other sports had done nothing. Is what he's
done to the ladies competition, it's fantastic. You know. I
(24:24):
don't mean to be like offend anybody here, but he's
attracting New Zealand rugby players now to go and play
in the woman's NRL because of what it is and
what he's producing. And so yeah, he I mean, Peter
bland Is. I don't know if there's any worldwide sports
or sports on America I have ever heard of him,
but I mean everything he's touched in this part of
(24:46):
the world, he has just turned into a colossus, a colossus.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Beast, and I just worship as always, thanks very much
for your core. I just wish he'd talk to a
Christian expansion group, just maybe give us the time of day.
Possibly maybe not eighty ten eighty. So that is a
self confessed boomer in Trevor that said, I have to
(25:12):
move with the times. I have no choice. The product
is so good they've got me. Is he a rarity?
This guy Unicorn? Hey Paul, what's on your mind?
Speaker 9 (25:24):
It's okay, I see, I'm a fellow gen X like yourself.
Speaker 8 (25:27):
Mate.
Speaker 9 (25:31):
You see trip is right Landi's is well, he's a
visionary man, you know. I mean, participation has never been
as good viewership as a crowd numbers and so on.
So you've got to give it to the guy, you
know what that and I think he can see the
trends that are happening now with people. We all know
that the likes of TV ins and TV three are
(25:53):
basically struggling because people want to watch what they want
to watch, when they want to watch it, without adverts
and without being told how to think, and without a
bias media. So yeah, the likes the likes of the Netflix,
where you can can watch what you want without adverts
and you can turn it off and turn it on.
I think it's a great idea for sport and for
something like the MRL because you don't get all the
(26:16):
all the other rubbish with it.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
That's sky TV though, isn't it.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
Paul, Well, yeah, but sky TV. To be honest, I
think it is a dying thing. It's it's it's it's
a it's fast leave to be honest. I mean, you
know they're they're looking at at Rugby Union and they're
seing empty stadiums, so they're even dropping what they're prepared
to pay Rugby now.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
So I think sports, when it comes to appointment viewing, well,
we can watch I'm watching something at the moment, and
I'm starting to watch drama and less sport. But you
want to watch it live as it happens, when it happens.
That that's the kicker with sport as opposed to I
want to watch it when I want. However I want it,
And that's a key thing, any access to it live,
(27:02):
because that's where the excitement is.
Speaker 9 (27:05):
Yeah, it's that's true.
Speaker 8 (27:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (27:08):
I mean for all the Dallas and haters towards for Landis,
you know, you do have to give it to them,
give credit credit where credit is due. But you know
you're looking at the likes of Amazon and I mean,
the NRL's in a fantastic position. You know you've got
now you've got nine seven and Fox will be fighting
for the rights of the NRAL. That was unheard of,
(27:28):
you know, ten or so years ago before Landis come
on the scene. So you know he the NRL's in
a great position. And now if you're talking Netflix, I mean,
as you know who d s, I'm a huge NRL.
Lea bring Eleak sand and old pay for wherever I can.
And if it's Netflix, it means getting rid of Skyle Soviet.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
If Netflix is almost easier for people to accept though,
because it's it's standard. It's on Netflix. People I think
have all got access to Netflix on their TVs. Anyway,
that's not so scary. Designe might be a bit scary.
And just wind you Backpaul to what's going on with
for Landis. And I complain that you never hear anything
(28:09):
about him about an expansion in christ Church. He hasn't
returned phone calls. And when he was down in christ Church,
I didn't meet with anyone and I won't want to
how about this for a thought, He's been so right
and everything else. Maybe he knows that it's a waste
of time, so it's just not giving it the light
of day. And based on what he's achieved, he might
be right. Have you thought about that?
Speaker 9 (28:31):
Well, my firstal thoughts are that we will get a
second team, you know, I mean, I know that we
can go on and on and on about that, but
those are my thoughts. You know, there are we have
an eighteenth team, there are two more teams to come
into the competition, and in my opinion is that New
Zealand will have another team.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
All right, Paul, Well, I hope for my sake, you're sake,
in New Zealand League's sake. You're absolutely right, and I
am not confident at all. It just struck me before
that even though he break vial and he's for ignoring
the expansion and coming anywhere near it, he's been so
right and everything else. Once he's probably right again, you
(29:10):
look after your own backyard. What does need to go
back to New Zealand a game when he's got Perth
and Adelaide and other places that could do with an
NRL side. I'm interested in the leap from older people
around if the NRL leaves SkyTV, because suddenly it is
(29:33):
sold to Netflix for a billion dollars and Netflix go great,
We'll got New Zealand and the deal as well. Sky
loses everything. How likely are you to a technology a
technological fobe to want to climb in to a platform
like Netflix just to get your sport? What it actually
(29:55):
push you over? Because that's why Netflix are doing this.
It doesz oone said they wanted to be the Spotify sport.
I spect Netflix want to do something similar and they'll
drag people on board to their experience through sport. So
it's enough to make you pick it up and go
join the modern world. I've got it already. My daughter
(30:17):
helps you through it. Twenty one away from eight sports
look on that news talk ZZB. Just a couple of
quick texts. He said, it's going to be the Netflix
of sport, talking about Colin Smith. It's not going to happen.
Netflix will take sports. They already have the infrastructure and
low delivery costs. So the Netflix of sport will be
(30:40):
the Netflix of sport. There's a sports talk you're o
news talks e b oh one hundred eighty ten eighty
text nine two nine. Not guilty he who does not
build me, it's not real the medim he doesn't exist.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
The said you.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
About down ab.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Now seventeen minutes the eight SportsTalk car and news stalks thereby,
would you drop Sky flat out if the NRL disappeared?
Speaker 10 (31:22):
God?
Speaker 4 (31:22):
No more.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
As opposed to would you pick up Netflix? For example,
if they suddenly became the sole provider? Would the rest
of the Sky product go down the toilet if you
left them? Would you forget about it? They hanging by
a thread. You've got some rugby and how long before
(31:47):
major streamer come in and buy all the All Blacks
games because Zidra broke, Suddenly provincial rugby and Super Rugby
is staggering? Is it not? Well that makes sense to you.
I'll take the cream. I'm such a doomsday man. I'm
sorry about that. Let's get in some text. The problem
(32:08):
with the NRL and rugby is a limited market. Neither
are truly global sports. After the NRL want a billion dollars,
it'll need to be over ten years. I suppose a
bigger market then rugby union. How many ossies are there any?
Twenty something million, twenty five million, eh and plus you
(32:30):
throw an ass at five million. Maybe it's maybe it's worthwhile.
Who actually pays for sport, writes another person, there is
the Internet now complex? Too complex when it comes to
finding streams and deleting pop ups and avoiding the cops
everything else you've got to do. People want a simple interface.
Speaker 7 (32:53):
I know, I do.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
You get rough with if we're going to start going
through too many hoops to try and find what I want?
But this is a generational problem, not for the younger ones.
But thanks for your text. Correct Provincial Rugby, Well it's
more popular than Super Rugby. You think the zell and
will fight for it. Nope, So it's another nail in
the coffin. As miserable as I am this character. Those
(33:18):
signed up with Netflix to get the WWE and it
becomes a bulk situation where do you get all you're
bang for buck? Are you willing to sacrifice some viewing
experiences for others? So it's weighed up on what you
enjoy more. Now, Liam Lawson is racing in Formula one,
(33:40):
so I'm with Sky for as long as they've got
F one. That's my main focus and feature for this year.
If they lose the NRL, if they were to lose
Super Rugby becomes a balancing point though, where you're getting
more for your money on one channel than the other.
(34:01):
Do you take two? Because if you take Amazon and
you take net Fleet and you take Sky, suddenly over
one hundred bucks a month and you're probably not watching
as much TV anyway, Darcy, I forgot to ask or
mention you should try and get Valandies on your show, Trevor.
I've been trying for a year. In fact, not only
(34:23):
have I been trying. Andy Duff, producer EXTRAORDINAI has been trying.
He's a lot polite than I do. So Nope, we'll
get there. We'll try it.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
We will try it.
Speaker 7 (34:35):
For me.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
It's only the Football Premiership. If that's gone, I'm out.
And I must have done research on what more eyebell
eyeballs relax on as to where their money is going
to be and wants to know the name of a
sleeping pill that doesn't make you drowsy in the morning.
We'll just I can't help you with that, and I'm sorry, Millennial.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
Here here we go.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
If you and you went to Netflix, I would drop
Sky Sport right away and get Netflix again. It's what
you prefer. Why, Darcy, the sener Sky liquidates, the better
they are, hopeless, You should have been listening to Marcus's
show last night. That's from Wayne, Thanks very much. I
think it's a fight. Do we stand to lose out
of anybody as the consumer? Sadly yes, it's twelve minutes
(35:28):
away from eight. Boden Barrett faced the media today. What
was he asked? How did he reply.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
This?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
You will find out next here on sports Talk on
News Talk ZB. I could see the whole city from
(36:03):
his balcony back in twenty nineteen, nine minutes eight sports
Look on news TOKS. Thereb a couple of texts for you.
Does he formula one hundred bucks a year? I'm presuming
if you buy it straight through there with the app
way better coverage and options than Sky coverage. Ross.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
I get that, but.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
My job says I have to have Sky, so I'll
run with that as well. That I think the coverage
from what I know, you can climb in cars and
all sorts of things. It does sound like a step above.
I would drop Sky faster than the speed of lights.
Premier League if one and NRL are keeping Sky alive,
and Netflix is as cheap as chips, It's a reasonable
(36:46):
amount of content Premier League if One, NRL, but I
suppose what's what kicks you over? What I don't like
about Sky, and I'm going to get onto Bowden Barrett shortly.
What I don't like about Sky is the fact that
I have to pay for all the other pup there
I can't stand. I've got to pay the forty dollars
(37:09):
or thirty dollars a month so I can get endless
episodes of British and American PAP. I would rather pug
my own eyes out than watch all of that program.
I'm only in it for the sport, and that's the problem.
I get a whold of stuff I simply don't want.
(37:30):
So okay, so go and get Sky Sport now so
you can just watch the sport. But the interface is
no fun. I can't find what I want, I can't
record it, I can't win. Just pay the money, Darcy,
stop complaining, right, let's go to Boden Barrett Dussy. Sure
he hasn't got too many problems and stuff like this.
He's probably has a man to do it for him.
This is Boden on playing DMAC because of course those
(37:54):
guys fighting for the first five eighth spot for the
all back this is him. I'm playing Dmac in the
very first round of Super Rugby, which is so close
the two best tens on the planet okay, the best
tens in New zunand coming for it always.
Speaker 10 (38:10):
I really enjoy going head to head with my my mate,
and I think more importantly as a rematch from last
year's final, they probably want a little bit of revenge
for us. It's an opportunity for the fans to come
out and feel their support because Eden Park's a great
place to play rugby, and for me, if I'm part
(38:31):
of the team, I'm really excited to get back into it.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, if they're thinking Ravene just the wrong motivation, it
will fail dismally. You can't do that, says coach does
all sorts. The first opportunity for Body and d Man
to get the first notch as so far as taking
that step toward being All Black first fight right. Anyway,
here's body stance on Richie Warner, who's not coming back
early to the All Blacks.
Speaker 10 (38:55):
Oh gosh, look, I'm not really in a position to comment.
I'm just not across it well enough and you can
open a huge can of worms around that. But I
think we just have to back what us on the
rugby are going with. Otherwise it sets a bad precedent
for the next generation. But yeah, it's different for South Africa.
(39:16):
They've got the reasons why. But for the time being,
I think he's in a rugby have showed a little
bit of backbone around it.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Body. To me, sounds like he's saying he'd love to
say something, but insidersaid, don't you bloody dare So he's
chosen not to, which makes sense. They're is paymasters anyway,
thanks for answering. Going off and this is Boden Barrett
going through Six Nations predictions for the year. I'll start
Etali are going to be the last. You can carry on, Boden.
Speaker 8 (39:49):
Yeah, Like.
Speaker 10 (39:51):
During that series, I thought we got Ireland at the
right time. They were coming off a break. It was
a prime time to hit them early in their season.
They'll be different come Six Nations. I still think, yeah, England,
Ireland and France. Between one of those teams it's theirs
(40:12):
to win. France go really deep and I'd probably have
them and his favorites at the stage, but we're not
allowed to say that.
Speaker 7 (40:24):
But I know the.
Speaker 10 (40:25):
Competition up here is really strong. Actually are respected and
Scotland are always Wales will I've got their backs against
the wall. But for me it's it's probably France at
the stage.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Funny actually, respect I said before, said I don't want
to get into trouble. I can't say that's so what
you want?
Speaker 7 (40:51):
No, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Say whatever you want, like, don't go to faming anyone
because that's got are you getting to some legal problem there?
Speaker 7 (40:58):
Say what you think? Buddy?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Who want you to say what you think? I'm glad
Richie's not coming back. That's my jersey something like that. Yes,
I'm looking forward to tearing d Mak a new one
so I can run the cutter of rest of the year.
He's a nice guy and normally he's very good. Then
(41:20):
it really respected, just perfect bode embarrassed sever for rugby.
It's about half an hour away. It's that close, and
I'm excited for it. Not entirely short why it's got
nothing to do with the Crusaders not winning. That depressed me.
(41:41):
But I've got a there's a feeling it could be
something quite spectacular.
Speaker 9 (41:47):
We will see.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
There's news talks ev on Sports Talk and all to go.
Thanks for listening, and he Duff thanks for wiping the
dribble off my chin ah.
Speaker 10 (41:58):
Actually are respected.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Marcus Laska bye, who I'm not in Rugby. Surely we
like their wine. The food's fantastic. The right obny go,
it's gonna be Italians lighting up at the front door.
A little bit of strife Marcus sliced up next than up.
Thank you so much for your time, and thank you
all for listening. I'm Darcy back tomorrow from.
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