March 5, 2025 • 43 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap another day of sports news! Highlights for tonight include:
Peter Lester - America's Cup commentator on the 38th event potentially being hosted in Auckland.
Ronnie Hira - Former Black Cap ahead of the team's clash against South Africa.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh Hey, good, hey, how welcome on into sports Thork.
Great you have y'a all on board. My named Darcy Watergrave.
Here I am from now through eight o'clock tonight as
we talk sport building up to the champions Trophy semi
final starts tonight at ten o'clock. Goes through and tell basically,
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when you pass out in a pool of your own drawl,
that's what's going to happen to me. Powerful means let
me joy note it do you go? Dedicated to the cause?
Ronnie a Hero joins us lad in the program to
preview that particular fixture to look at the points of
contention around selection, which I'd suggest there's bugger all of
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but there are a few what the South Africans bring
chances are I'm ridiculously confident, but long time listeners to
the show we'll know that I'm always ridiculously confident when
it comes to the black Caps. So you know, I
don't mind being let down from time to time. Not
this time. I would like to think that's all right.
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We'll talk about that with Running a Hero later. On
the back is one time, one time, two times. Black
Cape paid T twenty for the black Caps spend a
bit of time tweaking nationally as well, in fact, and
setting this interview up at a yarn to them. I
remember watching Glenn Phillips play a T twenty match on
the outer oval at Eden Park and smash a hundred
and about four balls, and you see, I remember that
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I was there really playing go figure. Coming up to
start the program, we're going to be joined by Peter Lester,
America's Cup, Calm and Tay. As we look at the
possibility of the America's Cup coming back again, chances of
thoughts around, do you want it? Do you care? Is
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it all the bad blood has been washed away over
the sea wall and we can start again and try
and get the old mug back to Auckland. We'll talk
with Peter Lester about that shortly and then we'll take
your calls on that afterwards. After all, it is New Zealand,
it is our cup and it's our port. Do we
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really want it back? I'll tell it. I think you
can tell me what you think. And the list goes on.
But before we do any of that, let's do a
whole lot of this today, and it's sports today. She's
all going, oh, three hours time. The Black Cabs seek
to put the Africans to the sword and gain access
to the champions Trophy final against the tournament deserters India.
(03:03):
The New Zealand skip of the wily tweaker Mitchell Flatline
Sander reckons its lights on from the get go, heads up,
ready to roll.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, I think you just got to just be on
from started and obviously wait to see how the pitch
plays and kind of adjust accordingly. But I think you
know we have the where the options for both of
it is slightly slower than we think.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Blues a coach who is more than stern Vern Cootta
now unimpressed with suggestions of underhanded play from his team
Around the Sam Knock concussion drama.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
There was questions around integrity of our doctor and that's
sort of the upsetting.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
So there was some clear, straight talking communication following it.
Fifty thousand points in the NBA, fifty thousand points in
the NBA. Nah, Yeah, Lebron James has made history again.
ESPN were there when one of a small herd of
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goats strained the outrageous record beating.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Buckets, twenty two seasons, forty years of edge, fifty thousand.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
And two points. He's not human and it looks like
the magnificence of fossil fuel burning is coming to the
Bay of Plenty. Founder of White Couple's Hampton Downs, Tony
Roberts reckons it's lights out and go, go go for
the thunder Ridge Motorsport Park.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Got everything in place, track designed. We're just waiting now
to put a lease in place with the council. It'll
be a thirty five year leads with two rights of
renewals of one hundred and five years.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
And they're staffing it somewhere between to danger and ROTORUA
thirty two sorry, three point two kilometers thirty two?
Speaker 7 (04:53):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Newburgering? Three point two kilometers eight corners twenty six meters
of elevation, How good? And what's sports today? They joined
now by Peter Lester, longtime America's Cup commentar, a long
time sailing. What he hasn't sailed isn't worth floating. He
joins us now to talk the return of the America's Cup.
We will see get it. Peter, Hi, Darcy, I trust
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you're well and maybe not overly excited, but you would
have a twitch when you saw that information that possibly
maybe the America's Cup is coming back. Look there's a
lot of water yet, but isn't it nice to see
the advance from Taratucki Auckland unlimited.
Speaker 8 (05:37):
Absolutely absolutely and like all negotiation that the parties are
talking and so as a pundit sitting on the outside
of the politics, you think, well, if they're talking, there
is a chance and if a deal can be put
together that works for local and central government and for
Emirates Team New Zealand to try and defend it for
the fourth time, that'd just be brilliant.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Seems pragmatic from Team New Zealand statement from Grant Dalton.
Yet we are talking, Yes, we understand, and it needs
to be private investment. Yes there needs to be central
government investment. We haven't gone along that route yet yet,
but this is what we need. So it's not a
shut door. There's obviously no bad blood, it's all washed
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away and they're just sticking by the statement. They know
what they need to present this and they're not gonna
wobble from it. But I think when you look at
the amount of money they got dragged through Barcelona and
that report that came out you can understand why.
Speaker 8 (06:34):
Well, America's Cup, you know, it's got a value. And
in that report and I read it this morning like
you did, Darcy, and I guess i'd had window. But
when we're actually up in Barcelona, that the Barcelona University,
we're doing the report on the America's Cup being in Barcelona,
and the initially, even when the event was on, it
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was very positive and that's been born out today with
some pretty eye watering figures.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Pretty eye watering. I think you've got to put an
astrois around this though, don't you two billion dollars New
Zealand of economic benefit. You probably wouldn't replicate that here
in Auckland, and that's just based on the distance and
the population hard to get here. Is not a lot
of us here, but it's still got a lot of traction.
Speaker 8 (07:24):
Oh absolutely yeah, But you do have to keep it
in context. I mean having a major sporting event, a
marine sporting event like the America's Cup and the Mediterranean
it's easy for people to get to and have a look.
I mean two hundred and thirty odd you know, super
yachts in that Harbor. You're not going to get those
numbers down in Auckland, but you'd still get a significant
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amount of you know, the world's billionaires because it attracts them.
They want to be there, They want to be seen
around an event like the America's Cup, you know, which
what now, it's one hundred and seventy three years old,
the oldest competitive sport you know, trophy in the world.
It's got that mantra that the rich and the famous
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love it.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I don't like to be proven wrong, no one does.
But I suppose I have to. When Grant said, we
need this money to defend this, otherwise it's not going
to happen, Well he got us money and they defended
it and they did very very well. So still showed
they are at the top of their tree. But the
funding has to be there otherwise they'll be toppled.
Speaker 8 (08:30):
Yeah, look, the team, you know, for the team to
be competitive and to have a chance of defending the
America's Cup, look, the hard reality is you've got to
have enough funding. And that was the driver why Dalton
took the America's Cup off. Sure, he didn't want to
set the team up to fail, and they didn't The
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other thing I think that's relevant is what the other
bits that went on with technology around the America's Cup
in Barcelona. You know, from the the e Sports America's Cup,
you know, can cuter game that was huge, the Youth
and Woman's America's Cup in the ac forties that was massive.
The automation that was used to move marker boys around
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around the course, you know, on the television side, the
use of windfield, you know, so we could see the
breeze on the water. That technology doesn't come cheap. And
that's in addition to what happens with the team. In
terms of Emmert's Tea New Zealand and the other America's
Cup teams are really technology companies. Now Darcy that happened
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to sale yachts. But all of that technology comes at
a price.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Do you think the sale GP and the success of
sale GP here has also maybe reignited interest in sailing.
We've lost the America's Cup, lost the Around the World Race,
lost all that, but now I think we've seen that
people are still keen if it's presented to them. It's
probably a bit of a long bow to draw both
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of those together, but it does show an interest and
how good we are putting these things on.
Speaker 8 (10:08):
I was wrapped to see sal GP on the harbor.
You know, I think it's a really good entertainment package
that was held right down in the wind caught up.
Thousands of people turned up to see the bars and
restaurants down in the viaduct base and are live and
kicking and those businesses all doing well. I mean, that's
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brilliant for Kiwis and we've been starved to that. In
terms of events, do.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
You think Central Garden might have an interest when you
look at the debate they had previously and there could
you call it lack of engagement when it came to
what happened over in Barthlona. Did we really try and
benefit from the exposure and you were over there? Team
New Zealand was a big name, wasn't it huge?
Speaker 8 (10:53):
The Louis vu Toon cut, the Challenger series in the
America's Cup pretty well went well from August through to
the end of October. Through that period in terms of
local sports stories, the two big big stories were LaLiga,
the Spanish football league which is MASSIF and Barcelona of
course with the Barcelona Football Club and the America's Cup
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and at the forefront of that, through a lot of
that media coverage were Immorates Team New Zealand, and I
was a little bit surprised that brand in New Zealand
wasn't leveraged more off that. I mean, some did leverage offer.
I mean Nati Fato Iraqi, I thought did a hell
of a job up there in terms of, you know,
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promoting married internationally and that didn't go unnoticed, and I'm
sure that was part of their plan. And the marine
industry certainly put on a bit of a trade show
to look at some of those megayachts that were you know,
two hundred plus megaats in Barcelona when they come to town.
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Of course, the maintenance and the catering and the jobs
created by that megaot industry is massive, but ends in
marine busfield. His team did do a pretty good job.
But other than that, I thought New Zealand missed an
opportunity in terms of tourism, primary produce, you know, promoting
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New Zealand as a food producing country and as a
brilliant destination for tourists. I thought there was they missed
a trick there.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Do they think the lessons were taken from that though,
it was very clear I think, right up front of
everybody to see that this maybe was, as you said,
an opportunity lost. You think that might count in favor
of it, possibly, I say possibly coming back.
Speaker 8 (12:43):
Well, I mean the Europeans fishing in the in the
marine industry and the America's Cup, they see New Zealand
as a must do destination and the flow on effect
to the marine industry, boat building, sail making, you know,
the high tech industries with hydraulics and megatronics of course
around America's Cup foil design that does not go unnoticed
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by Europeans and the North Americans. And I think if
it's packaged up right and look, think goodness. Dalton is
involved with the you know that performance side because he's
damned good at selling and promoting Emirates Team New Zealand.
And I think if the negotiations are done right, Grant,
there's no one more passionate keiwi in my mind to
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Dalton than Dalton about New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
One last thing, Peter Leicester, America's Cup commentator, what about
entries that when you look at it, the America's Cup
is best when it's got a lot of entries. Do
you think there would be the traction around overseas teams.
Look what's happened with Ratcliffe. I don't know where the
other teams sit. Would they better tract enough teams over
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here to make it a worthwhile regatta?
Speaker 8 (13:51):
Well that's the challenge, because what there were two more
teams in than what we had in Auckland. In Barcelona
with a Lingy turning up again and of course they
have won the America's Cup.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Of course they want it here.
Speaker 8 (14:06):
And what two thousand and seven they were back in
the game and Esto Berta Alias said he will continue.
So I think if it's in Europe or in Auckland
that you I would expect to see a Lney back
in town. The French were back in the game with
Orient now they were helped by Emirates Ta New Zealand
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with their design package and they were competitive. Lack of
reliability let them down a wee bit. And there's a
few sniffing in the sidelines which whether they'd come to
New Zealand as opposed if it stayed in the med
I mean, there's talk of the Swedes Artemis getting back
into the game. The Spanish there was a little bit
of talk about a Spanish Challenge, but again that might be.
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That might be only if it was in the Mediterranean
or in Spain, and even the Aussies were there, you know,
Australian interest in maybe entering back into the Cup and
wouldn't that be brilliant Now if it came to New Zealand.
I think that would even be easy for the Australians
to get back into the game. So look all that stuff.
I'm shore the negotiations will flush that out between Challenge
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of Record and the Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron and
immorates Ty New Zealand. That's the negotiation. That's that's the
bottom line that they'll have to to flush out. You
know who's going to be entering four, the thirty eighth
America's Cup.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You hear it from the biggest names and sports and
then have your say on eighty Sports Talk or on
your home of sports and news Talks it be.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
It's been a last Today joining us on air seven
twenty one Story of the Day. They're around the possible
return of the America's Cup embryonic Yes, granted, like the way,
get on saying flush like it was just a great
big turt Polly, you could say. It was what are
your thoughts? And did we want this thing back again?
(15:59):
I think, bygones, be bygones, let it go. I'll be
the first person to boot my hand up saying it
was not happy with the fact that Grant Dalton and
his band of mery men upsticked and ran off to Barcelona,
to Barthla bar Slona to defend the cup. They won,
and we thought they won it for us. We were
(16:19):
laboring under the misapprehension that when they did, when we'd
get it back and it'd make it hard, almost impossible
for anyone to take it office. But no, no, they
wanted the money, so off they went and I'll take
it back, are right? They need as much money as
they could possibly get so they could put up a defense.
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I said, I wouldn't mind dying on my knees around this.
Look at least you're having it at home. But no, no,
that's like we asked, going to take it away. We
need all the money we can get. The Bathlone are
going to give us the money. So we go in
there because we're gon't to defend this thing. You wait
and lorksa lordie. Did they defend it?
Speaker 7 (16:59):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
They did. Now it's the next step. You'd like to
think that the Council. You'd like to think that central government.
You'd like to think that private sponsors could come together
with enough money to keep Team New Zealand here. Even
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if it's a couple of hundred of million dollars, which
is what we're talking about, if you look at the
supposed economic impact and benefit for Barcelona, you'd think it'd
be worth a shot. I've heard some people say, hey,
you know two billion dollars that you know you can
twist out who of your want. I doubt it. Even
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if it's half of that, It's still worth sinking a
couple one hundred million into it, isn't it. Peter pointed
out the bars and the restaurants around c GP and
how that worked, the breathing of life back into the
waterfront of Auckland. Terrorists coming Terists'm all over the country
coming up to Auckland. Gee, if was down here the Japanese,
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I might even have another shot at it. Bygones, be
bygones now. And I don't want Dalton or any of
the team is my best friends. I'll tell you that
right now. But I think we can clear the decks
un start again. Why not, I've achieved what they wanted
to achieve, got the America's Cup. Right, Let's have another crack.
Do you think that the government should get behind this,
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that the Auckland Council should get behind this, and we
should have an absolute crack and bringing the America's Cup
defense back to New Zealand. I'm big enough and ugly
enough to say, yep, I think we should yours please,
I'll eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Then we
walk away from the first fight of last time around
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and go, you know what, you might be right, let's
make a deal. I think we should. We should have
a crack at it anyway, Why not? Blessed be Saint
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Speaker 1 (20:25):
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Speaker 5 (20:32):
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Sports Talk Care and News Talk ZB So you want
to back, you want to beg, You want to bite
into that America's cub buy again?
Speaker 9 (20:57):
Do you do?
Speaker 10 (20:58):
You do?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
You just forget about the trials and tribulations of last
time eighty ten eighty three phone number n wide. You
can text nineteen nineteen ZBZB standards. Text charge applies for
that love to hear your voice? Are you prepared to
forgive Team New Zealand for running away with our cup
(21:22):
so they could cast the check because he did say
we might bring it back. But he also said, mister Dalton,
that Saudi Arabia looked like a great place and it's
wonderful and they're all so lovely and you know, basically
read from this song sheet which I can't get it
because it's where the money's at, right, So he thought,
I know he's already soldiers in the Saudis, but maybe,
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just maybe if TARTUCKI Auckland can get a bid together
and get the government central government to climb on board.
With a bit of money, not that they've got any,
but with a bit of money private investment, it could
come back. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty would
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be comfortable with that. Do you want to see it again?
Do you want to see it here? And I think
that with sale GP and what we saw in christ
Church and what we saw in Auckland. When I saw
firsthand in Auckland, there's big energy behind competitive sailing and
the tech game that it is as pedter Lesson described,
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people want to see that again. Although there is this
interesting text Dalton is playing us for the highest bitter darcy.
He doesn't care about nationality at all. Team New Zealand's
worst thing is having Dalton as a front man because
he doesn't sell himself well it must. There be a
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lot of people that agree with you on that one.
The best thing about having him as a front man
is he's his tenacious bugger, isn't he He'll go at
it whenever he can. Morerio took still to come. Let's
go to Conrad Nahi.
Speaker 7 (23:02):
Hello, I see, Yeah, a lot of damage done in
the last cycle. But can I just say some questions
regarding the Americans Cup itself rather than his on government
or taxpayer or whatever. Where is the America's Cup going?
I mean they lost in the offs, right, I mean,
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I just think some of those questions have to be
answered by Grant Dalton and we're America's Cup is going
as an event before the government kind of gets all
in because it runs the risk of being a kind
of like during the twenty ten I think Oracle back
in San Francisco, they had like a non event happens
with just two challenges. So I think the America's Cup
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is playing off the magic of the eighties and the
nineties when they had you know, twelve challenges in San
Diego and Fremantles. That's going to die off eventually. And
and you know, kind of on the back of that,
the he'sonders one in Barcelona. You know how many ticketate
phrase do they get? You know? I mean, sorry, how
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many what to could take parade ross?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
You're none over here? People lost it because it wasn't
in front of us. We couldn't see it.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
Well, that's that's part of the point of trying to
make So so what I'd like the government to state
of Dulton is where is the America's cub going as
an event? Because to take the Formula one analogy, the
more modions you need to get in it, the more
of a dead event it will be. There's only so
many Innisto booth rallys around the world. So I think
the America's Cats to sort out maybe kind of some
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kind of plan where more countries can get involved. I mean,
that's that's one of the key points this to me.
When Australia or Japan gets into it.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I don't know if you could use formula one as
a good example, because that is phenomenally popular wherever it goes,
so they could probably run event an event a week.
But it's a similar size, it's similar ish money, So
I get why you place it there, and I think
that's a really good point. That's what we talked with
Peter Lester about at the end. Who will actually come over?
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Because if we've got a couple of challenges and if
it is over here in New Zealand, will the likes
of an Eneus come over if they've got any money?
Will we get a Lney back again? Will the Spanish come?
Can we tempt the Japanese? Would the Australians come? Yeah?
Because without that it does become damp squib, doesn't it.
Speaker 7 (25:27):
Yeah. I mean I'm prepared for Gibbs Dalton hundred percent
and everyone else if they if they have a good
plan for the next twenty thirty years to get you know,
nat to challenges and yeah, okayn, wait, thanks you.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
No, No, Conrad, thanks very much for voicing your thoughts.
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty lines are open
heighted dacks.
Speaker 11 (25:48):
Hey, how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I'm doing spectacularly well, what about yourself.
Speaker 11 (25:54):
I'm just very happy that you'll spectacularly well, thank you.
How much does the Russell Kutz Circus get from.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
The government that I can't tell you.
Speaker 11 (26:08):
It's zero, isn't it. Though the government don't fund is
particular events.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I wonder if Tataki Unlimited Auckland have anything to do
as far as what they put into the event, infrastructure
and the like. I can't like yeah, local government, I
don't think central government does.
Speaker 11 (26:31):
I don't really know much about it. I'm just an
outside of looking in, but surely that event is a
lot more popular, bigger than what the America's Cup is.
I mean, as far as the America's Cup goes, it's
selling point seems to be nation against nation when you
seem to see the same names popping up in different
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so called countries, which are bit a little bit like
calling super rugby clubs rather than franchise. It's just a
franchise event shortly, isn't it. And I'm just wondering whether
the two hundred million would be better spent on another
event other than trying to go into some sort of
poker game bidding with Grant Dalton, who I don't know.
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It just seems like he's just lying his pockets throughout
than anything else. But I mean, if you could attract
a World Cup here of them, of like a mid
tier that is here and competes him, would that be
a better wiser investment of quite a lot of money.
If you've already got a yachting event here which seems
to be far superior to to the America's Cup, why
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would you need to send two hundred million dollars from
the government on that.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I mean, that's just an abatuary figure I pulled out
of nowhere. But they got one hundred million dollars in
kind and that wasn't enough. So plainly a whole lot more,
maybe double. I think it's hard Dax. When you compare
the America's Cup to sale GP, they're very different beasts.
It is in apples and oranges because they're both fruit,
but they're distinctly different. Sale GP is in and out,
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wait and bam gone.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
That is it.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
So people come, they enjoy the experience, they go again.
America's Cup it lasts the Louis Vutante over over six weeks,
seven weeks, eight weeks, and they bring apparently we don't
know yet, but they'll bring super yachts in and now
we're not under the cosh of COVID, more likely that
people will come in such it's a different format, it's
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a different style of event.
Speaker 11 (28:24):
So T twenty cricket is last number of hours, one day,
cricket last close to a day or suppose, and then
Test cricket last five days. They're all cricket, aren't me.
It's yachting, isn't It's yachting people racing boats.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah it is, but there Yeah, but you see more
people and you look at T twenty and they're buying
to that. A lot of people will go along and
they're like three hours. I can do that, I can
rock up. So that's that market right there. Test cricket
is a market's compete a different market, same game, different market.
So you'll get people going, yeah, I want to set around.
I want five days, So you get tourists coming and go,
I want six weeks in New Zealand, checking the place out,
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looking at the America's Cup. I'm bringing my money. Other
people are going I'm going over the weekend to watch
the sale. G that I'm out again. So I think
it's just a different account balance that you're looking to
climb into decks, but really appreciate your call. I eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's twenty two away
from our aids. We've still got running hero joining us
to previous night's fun and games over in Lahore as
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the South Africans take on at New Zealand for the
right to compete with India in the final of the
Champions Trophy. Semi final action tonight, I'm Darcy. This is
News Talks EB much y forty one and Sports Talk
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Care on Newstalks AB I'm Darcy. Love to hear from him.
One hundred eighty ten eighty America's Cup yeay named me
your call a Mark? What do you make of this?
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (29:57):
That does the cricket check off tonight ten o'clock Tues.
Speaker 11 (30:02):
No, that's good.
Speaker 9 (30:03):
I might watch it. It'll be good.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I reckon. I'll get to one thirty and then I'll
probably say one ending is down. I better go to bed,
although I might make the whole thing and I might
not be at work tomorrow untill I don't know four five.
Speaker 9 (30:16):
What he pins, how it goes, It could be having
quite quickly. It could be one of those loved ones.
They could blast the whole game. Two billion dollars seems
like quite a lot of money. That didn't look like
there was a lot of people in Barcelona. To me,
I don't know how they come up with some of
these figures sometimes, but it seems like quite a lot
a lot of money.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Really, I suppose when.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
They're like I thought, they say two hundred and forty
four super yachts and they look at the Petro and
the spend the money. I mean, they suck a lot
of money. I can see people say Mark, and I
don't know who to believe because I'm not involved or
engage in this, that maybe they could pump those figures
up to make it look better. Why would they? Is
there advantage them to do that? Maybe there is, Maybe
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there isn't. Maybe it's just it's worth a lot of money.
Speaker 9 (30:58):
Seem it does seem quite killing sidental that that figure
came out on the same day they're announcing there and negotiating.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Extremely cunning because I saw that. I think in the
morning we went, Wow, that's bigg and then I drove
to work and I got to work, I was like.
Speaker 9 (31:10):
Oh my mind, Yeah, I mean, I don't like Dalton,
but I mean I went to the event in twenty one,
and I mean that was after COVID. There was you know,
not many overseas people there obviously, but I mean it
still had a good vibe to it. And you know,
it's quite a long event that brings in a lot
of people for quite a long time, and it sort
of adds a vibe to the city, don't you think.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Well, it's not. It hasn't been the city of Sales
for a while, hasn't it. It really hasn't, so maybe
it will add that vibe. Is it worth chasing? I
expect a lot of the rest of the country go
not on my watch. Pow, We're not funding you dirty Jeffers.
Speaker 12 (31:48):
You know, Graham, can I let me disclosed to Arcie?
I must say it's been all my life and I'm
very keen on yachting. But I actually thinking, no pun
intended that the boat has sailed, not because of Grant Dalton,
but I think people now watching sport or participating, but
looking for instance location and you know, Dolgon could be
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redeemed within the bossom of when you zee on public
as I made it. So GP has been to look.
At the end of the day, I think there is
more of an interest in this instance support instant fun
like sale GP, and that is going to attract the
younger people and the people at my age, slightly older
or even older into the sort of focal point of
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what is sailing all about. I think the America's Cup
has got to the elite of elite, those that can
really afford it and distance itself from the general populace.
Sale GP doesn't do that. So can we afford two
or three hundred million or whatever it is going to cost.
I'd rather say it put into health of New Zealand,
even I'm a sailor.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, well, I mean Muhammad Mountains and the like. What
they're doing that, And that's the beauty of sale GP.
It's right there. And you're right about instant gratification. It's
sadly true. But Graham, thanks very much for calling. Thanks
for your good since you should bring back again get
a Diane.
Speaker 11 (33:04):
How are you okay?
Speaker 10 (33:06):
No, I think he's I know it cost a lot
to run the America's Cup and what the government did
with Auckland Harbor and getting it ready for the America's
Cup and the way Dalton wanted it done and the
millions that went into that, and then they win and
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then they take it away. So I just think we
didn't watch the America's Cup this time, and I'm a
big fan. Watched it right from the beginning when Peter
Blake did it and he got behind the country and
the country got behind him with the Red Sox and
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it was amazing.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Big Dalton is not a likable character, rusk kind of character,
but he gets things done, but he doesn't endear himself
and I'd suggest he doesn't care what people think about him.
Speaker 10 (34:01):
No, but I thought it was really nice. I met him.
My son won a competition to go with the Cup
and when it came to Wellington, my son was at
and he treated my son really well. He got to
hold the cup and you know, it was really lovely
and I got talking to him, and yeah, he can
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be arrogant, but it's and I know it costs a
lot of money to do the America's Cup, but what
is a.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Fighter, Diane, And he knows what he wants and he'll
go he'll do anything to get that, and I think
that's why maybe he rubs people up the wrong way.
Look I've met Grant Dalton a few times. I'm the
bloody media. It's nice to me. They believe your son
picked up the America's cup mate. You're allowed to you're
not allowed to touch that. You can't hold it. Maybe it's
a new law that's changed. Interesting thoughts where it goes.
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I don't know. Sport coming up in all a couple
of hours. Time, Sit back, relax, enjoy the show. It's
all about crickets and we're going to preview that up
next with the runny hero here on his talks there
b yeah, I was gone gone. Can we go back
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to the healcyon days of twenty twenty and Nairobi when
the Black Cats held all off the champions trophy? No idea,
but they do have to get through the semi finalist,
the other one, the South African starts tonight form a
black cap on here it joins us now evening Ronnie evening,
He gone, yeah, good, looking forward to night. Another long
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night in front of the TV. Don't know quite long,
how old, but I'll have a crack anyway, because it
looks like if you read up about this semi final
between South Africa and New Zealand, she's going to be
a high scoring affair of previous matches or anything to
go by, it could be a crater.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Back in Pakistan, they've recently played that Try series as well,
so I guess the two teams will know each other
pretty well. And yeah, the better's probably be looking forward
to a decent flag.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I suppose the question as the we'll throw it at
you the makeup of the top audit. Mitchell's coming back,
Young's been in and out, Conway's been in and out.
You're not going to mess with Ravishing Revenger, are you?
So who is the unlucky player out of the three
of them that miss out? I mean you're not going
to get rid of Revenger.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
No, I'd say it'd probably be a combination of Ravender
and Young just because they played that combination in the
Try series and Red relatively well. I think that'll probably
be the mix, and yeah, throwing someone in or changing
it too much. I think what they've probably got to
do is just go with what they think their best
eleven is and I think that was probably the eleven
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that was playing in the Try series.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Right, So room for Mitchell to come in. So who
walks away? Will it be Conway who doesn't get the
right because the four players you can't fit him into
three spots.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
I think it'd probably be Conway. I'd say Mitchell probably
be a street switchback, and he's just got enough credit
in the bank in terms of ICC tournaments. The last
World Cup he was dynamite, so I think he's probably
the one that slots straight back in.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
He's hopelessly reliable, isn't he. I think once he dropped
a horrible catch of recent times, so that's the only
mistake of scene and make it a long time. He's
a trustworthy character him.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
And I think you're getting a good production out of
Phillips those two together in the middle either one of
them come off, I think yeah, in conjunction with some
of the guys in the top order. If they can
get away, then I think you're looking at a pretty
good total.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
They fell apart and also fell apart. It's probably a
little cruel, but they dropped the ball, not literally but
figuratively up against to India. Couldn't put those partnerships together
in the middle order towards the end. Is it an
easy fixing that they picked much up out of that? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:47):
I think there's just some things that are to take
from that game in terms of lessons to take forward
into the semi and then hopefully the final when they
play in there. Again, I think it's just tweaking guys,
maybe taking some obstains a little bit too early in
the piece. And I think you see that saw that game.
Although you know, when you're chasing, you can almost guy
to chase home. But if they've got another thirty to
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forty runs and had a bit more scoreboard pressure, I
think that game might have looked a little different. You know,
India did win by I think five or six weeks
with someone like that, but you know, the extra time
taken to score those runs in the second and second
innings might have used a bit more resource for India,
you know, and then the game becomes a bit more
a bit more close. So I don't think they're a
million miles away, and they have been playing pretty well,
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especially in the tri series against Pakistan and South Africa,
so I expect something similar tonight, Ronnie.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I believe that whether you bat or bowl first, there's
not much bearing on the outcome of the game, so
it's not really toss dependent that's going to be good,
doesn't it.
Speaker 7 (38:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
I mean i'd imagine in a semi final it'll be
probably looking with the jew maybe coming down batting second.
But you know, obviously the argument has runs on the
board and we've seen South Africa in the past, perhaps
under pressure not not get through those games against New Zealand.
I think the last few SEC events in New Zealand have
had the ward over them, especially in knockout games. So
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I think he can lean on those types of experiences.
You've had Kame Williamson go through that, You've had sat
In to go through it against South Africa, so guys
who have been there and done that.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
But yeah, I think batting and bowling.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
I think New Zealand betting and bowling first. Rather I
think that the black Cats should be able to either
post a good store or you know, chase something down.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Jamison O'Rourke and of course Matt Henry's really coming to
his own. That's a wonderful trumveret of fast bowlers. Then
you've got what Beast brings to it as well, brace
Will and of course the captain Santna. She's a pretty
balanced bowling lineupn't it.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Yeah, the very balanced at the moment. Actually, I think
I think they probably would have liked Ferguson fit just
adds a bit something more, something different with a speed,
but there wasn't to be and they've managed to get
Jameson involved quite quickly, so it's good to see him
back after, you know, somewhat of a long injury period.
But hopefully you can get a good string of games
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and back in the back of the but well rounded.
I think Michael Brasil not only with the ball, but
I think it'd be nice if you could start featuring
a little bit more consistently with the bat when he
gets opportunities, because he's such a dangerous hitter as well.
But I think the black Caps, barring the Mitchell conundrum,
I think they're pretty settled at the moment.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
They've had the best build up and I know that
they've been criticized before New Zealand Cricket have been anyway
of not giving them a proper build up before a
key series that you can't complain about this time around.
If they're set and ready to perform after what they've
been through the last loot six weeks, it's now, isn't it.
It is?
Speaker 4 (40:41):
I mean India is going to be formidable in the final,
but we've got to get there first. But I don't
think they've got as good an opportunity this time they're
coming in. They've played in those conditions in Pakistan for
the last five or six weeks, barring the game in Dubai,
and I think they're probably going to have as good
a chance as any is trying to get to the
final and then trying to be near over more so
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than some of the other events that they've been to
where they perhaps haven't had that that preparation in those conditions.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
No need for the TMO. We've got the breakdown on
Sports Talk.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
News Talk said.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Four minutes to eight, Ronnie, here are they're joining us
to look forward to the game starts in just over
two hours time. I'll do the monkey for you all.
I'll watch the first innings. I will suffer that for
all of you out there. I might even try and
watch some of the second innings we will see. I
suppose can justify because it is my job. Really looking
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forward to it. Sneaky South African side, it's only amount
of time before they turn that around. The seven semi
finals with only one victory so we will see. But
it's a very well balanced team that this New Zealand
side have got. Maybe Locky Munroe might have added a
wee bit, but I mean, hey, a Rock's not bad,
is he? Oh Jamison? Or he works man Henry, I'll
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take him. A couple of quick texts for you on
the America's Cup situation. The two thousand America's Cup was
one of the best times of my life. Auckland was
going off. We need that back, Darcy. If we get
the America's Cup back in Auckland, they'll be held about
the same time as the Sale GP. It'd be a
win win event for New Zealand. Steve it could be,
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Gil writes, so GP as the curtain raiser of the
America's Cup. Bring it on and then there's some cussing
and squealing and pulling of hair with people who don't
want to see it ever again. It's one text. I'm
never watching Team New Zealand again. Got a lot of
gray area there, Andy Duff, thanks for pushing the program out,
producing and looking after all my wants and needs. I'm
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Darcy Watergrave. Catch you tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh Hey, good, hey, how welcome on into sports Thork.
Great you have y'a all on board. My named Darcy Watergrave.
Here I am from now through eight o'clock tonight as
we talk sport building up to the champions Trophy semi
final starts tonight at ten o'clock. Goes through and tell basically,
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when you pass out in a pool of your own drawl,
that's what's going to happen to me. Powerful means let
me joy note it do you go? Dedicated to the cause?
Ronnie a Hero joins us lad in the program to
preview that particular fixture to look at the points of
contention around selection, which I'd suggest there's bugger all of
(01:15):
but there are a few what the South Africans bring
chances are I'm ridiculously confident, but long time listeners to
the show we'll know that I'm always ridiculously confident when
it comes to the black Caps. So you know, I
don't mind being let down from time to time. Not
this time. I would like to think that's all right.
(01:36):
We'll talk about that with Running a Hero later. On
the back is one time, one time, two times. Black
Cape paid T twenty for the black Caps spend a
bit of time tweaking nationally as well, in fact, and
setting this interview up at a yarn to them. I
remember watching Glenn Phillips play a T twenty match on
the outer oval at Eden Park and smash a hundred
and about four balls, and you see, I remember that
(01:57):
I was there really playing go figure. Coming up to
start the program, we're going to be joined by Peter Lester,
America's Cup, Calm and Tay. As we look at the
possibility of the America's Cup coming back again, chances of
thoughts around, do you want it? Do you care? Is
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it all the bad blood has been washed away over
the sea wall and we can start again and try
and get the old mug back to Auckland. We'll talk
with Peter Lester about that shortly and then we'll take
your calls on that afterwards. After all, it is New Zealand,
it is our cup and it's our port. Do we
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really want it back? I'll tell it. I think you
can tell me what you think. And the list goes on.
But before we do any of that, let's do a
whole lot of this today, and it's sports today. She's
all going, oh, three hours time. The Black Cabs seek
to put the Africans to the sword and gain access
to the champions Trophy final against the tournament deserters India.
(03:03):
The New Zealand skip of the wily tweaker Mitchell Flatline
Sander reckons its lights on from the get go, heads up,
ready to roll.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, I think you just got to just be on
from started and obviously wait to see how the pitch
plays and kind of adjust accordingly. But I think you
know we have the where the options for both of
it is slightly slower than we think.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Blues a coach who is more than stern Vern Cootta
now unimpressed with suggestions of underhanded play from his team
Around the Sam Knock concussion drama.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
There was questions around integrity of our doctor and that's
sort of the upsetting.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
So there was some clear, straight talking communication following it.
Fifty thousand points in the NBA, fifty thousand points in
the NBA. Nah, Yeah, Lebron James has made history again.
ESPN were there when one of a small herd of
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goats strained the outrageous record beating.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Buckets, twenty two seasons, forty years of edge, fifty thousand.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
And two points. He's not human and it looks like
the magnificence of fossil fuel burning is coming to the
Bay of Plenty. Founder of White Couple's Hampton Downs, Tony
Roberts reckons it's lights out and go, go go for
the thunder Ridge Motorsport Park.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Got everything in place, track designed. We're just waiting now
to put a lease in place with the council. It'll
be a thirty five year leads with two rights of
renewals of one hundred and five years.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
And they're staffing it somewhere between to danger and ROTORUA
thirty two sorry, three point two kilometers thirty two?
Speaker 7 (04:53):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Newburgering? Three point two kilometers eight corners twenty six meters
of elevation, How good? And what's sports today? They joined
now by Peter Lester, longtime America's Cup commentar, a long
time sailing. What he hasn't sailed isn't worth floating. He
joins us now to talk the return of the America's Cup.
We will see get it. Peter, Hi, Darcy, I trust
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you're well and maybe not overly excited, but you would
have a twitch when you saw that information that possibly
maybe the America's Cup is coming back. Look there's a
lot of water yet, but isn't it nice to see
the advance from Taratucki Auckland unlimited.
Speaker 8 (05:37):
Absolutely absolutely and like all negotiation that the parties are
talking and so as a pundit sitting on the outside
of the politics, you think, well, if they're talking, there
is a chance and if a deal can be put
together that works for local and central government and for
Emirates Team New Zealand to try and defend it for
the fourth time, that'd just be brilliant.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Seems pragmatic from Team New Zealand statement from Grant Dalton.
Yet we are talking, Yes, we understand, and it needs
to be private investment. Yes there needs to be central
government investment. We haven't gone along that route yet yet,
but this is what we need. So it's not a
shut door. There's obviously no bad blood, it's all washed
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away and they're just sticking by the statement. They know
what they need to present this and they're not gonna
wobble from it. But I think when you look at
the amount of money they got dragged through Barcelona and
that report that came out you can understand why.
Speaker 8 (06:34):
Well, America's Cup, you know, it's got a value. And
in that report and I read it this morning like
you did, Darcy, and I guess i'd had window. But
when we're actually up in Barcelona, that the Barcelona University,
we're doing the report on the America's Cup being in Barcelona,
and the initially, even when the event was on, it
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was very positive and that's been born out today with
some pretty eye watering figures.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Pretty eye watering. I think you've got to put an
astrois around this though, don't you two billion dollars New
Zealand of economic benefit. You probably wouldn't replicate that here
in Auckland, and that's just based on the distance and
the population hard to get here. Is not a lot
of us here, but it's still got a lot of traction.
Speaker 8 (07:24):
Oh absolutely yeah, But you do have to keep it
in context. I mean having a major sporting event, a
marine sporting event like the America's Cup and the Mediterranean
it's easy for people to get to and have a look.
I mean two hundred and thirty odd you know, super
yachts in that Harbor. You're not going to get those
numbers down in Auckland, but you'd still get a significant
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amount of you know, the world's billionaires because it attracts them.
They want to be there, They want to be seen
around an event like the America's Cup, you know, which
what now, it's one hundred and seventy three years old,
the oldest competitive sport you know, trophy in the world.
It's got that mantra that the rich and the famous
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love it.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I don't like to be proven wrong, no one does.
But I suppose I have to. When Grant said, we
need this money to defend this, otherwise it's not going
to happen, Well he got us money and they defended
it and they did very very well. So still showed
they are at the top of their tree. But the
funding has to be there otherwise they'll be toppled.
Speaker 8 (08:30):
Yeah, look, the team, you know, for the team to
be competitive and to have a chance of defending the
America's Cup, look, the hard reality is you've got to
have enough funding. And that was the driver why Dalton
took the America's Cup off. Sure, he didn't want to
set the team up to fail, and they didn't The
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other thing I think that's relevant is what the other
bits that went on with technology around the America's Cup
in Barcelona. You know, from the the e Sports America's Cup,
you know, can cuter game that was huge, the Youth
and Woman's America's Cup in the ac forties that was massive.
The automation that was used to move marker boys around
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around the course, you know, on the television side, the
use of windfield, you know, so we could see the
breeze on the water. That technology doesn't come cheap. And
that's in addition to what happens with the team. In
terms of Emmert's Tea New Zealand and the other America's
Cup teams are really technology companies. Now Darcy that happened
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to sale yachts. But all of that technology comes at
a price.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Do you think the sale GP and the success of
sale GP here has also maybe reignited interest in sailing.
We've lost the America's Cup, lost the Around the World Race,
lost all that, but now I think we've seen that
people are still keen if it's presented to them. It's
probably a bit of a long bow to draw both
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of those together, but it does show an interest and
how good we are putting these things on.
Speaker 8 (10:08):
I was wrapped to see sal GP on the harbor.
You know, I think it's a really good entertainment package
that was held right down in the wind caught up.
Thousands of people turned up to see the bars and
restaurants down in the viaduct base and are live and
kicking and those businesses all doing well. I mean, that's
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brilliant for Kiwis and we've been starved to that. In
terms of events, do.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
You think Central Garden might have an interest when you
look at the debate they had previously and there could
you call it lack of engagement when it came to
what happened over in Barthlona. Did we really try and
benefit from the exposure and you were over there? Team
New Zealand was a big name, wasn't it huge?
Speaker 8 (10:53):
The Louis vu Toon cut, the Challenger series in the
America's Cup pretty well went well from August through to
the end of October. Through that period in terms of
local sports stories, the two big big stories were LaLiga,
the Spanish football league which is MASSIF and Barcelona of
course with the Barcelona Football Club and the America's Cup
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and at the forefront of that, through a lot of
that media coverage were Immorates Team New Zealand, and I
was a little bit surprised that brand in New Zealand
wasn't leveraged more off that. I mean, some did leverage offer.
I mean Nati Fato Iraqi, I thought did a hell
of a job up there in terms of, you know,
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promoting married internationally and that didn't go unnoticed, and I'm
sure that was part of their plan. And the marine
industry certainly put on a bit of a trade show
to look at some of those megayachts that were you know,
two hundred plus megaats in Barcelona when they come to town.
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Of course, the maintenance and the catering and the jobs
created by that megaot industry is massive, but ends in
marine busfield. His team did do a pretty good job.
But other than that, I thought New Zealand missed an
opportunity in terms of tourism, primary produce, you know, promoting
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New Zealand as a food producing country and as a
brilliant destination for tourists. I thought there was they missed
a trick there.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Do they think the lessons were taken from that though,
it was very clear I think, right up front of
everybody to see that this maybe was, as you said,
an opportunity lost. You think that might count in favor
of it, possibly, I say possibly coming back.
Speaker 8 (12:43):
Well, I mean the Europeans fishing in the in the
marine industry and the America's Cup, they see New Zealand
as a must do destination and the flow on effect
to the marine industry, boat building, sail making, you know,
the high tech industries with hydraulics and megatronics of course
around America's Cup foil design that does not go unnoticed
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by Europeans and the North Americans. And I think if
it's packaged up right and look, think goodness. Dalton is
involved with the you know that performance side because he's
damned good at selling and promoting Emirates Team New Zealand.
And I think if the negotiations are done right, Grant,
there's no one more passionate keiwi in my mind to
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Dalton than Dalton about New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
One last thing, Peter Leicester, America's Cup commentator, what about
entries that when you look at it, the America's Cup
is best when it's got a lot of entries. Do
you think there would be the traction around overseas teams.
Look what's happened with Ratcliffe. I don't know where the
other teams sit. Would they better tract enough teams over
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here to make it a worthwhile regatta?
Speaker 8 (13:51):
Well that's the challenge, because what there were two more
teams in than what we had in Auckland. In Barcelona
with a Lingy turning up again and of course they
have won the America's Cup.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Of course they want it here.
Speaker 8 (14:06):
And what two thousand and seven they were back in
the game and Esto Berta Alias said he will continue.
So I think if it's in Europe or in Auckland
that you I would expect to see a Lney back
in town. The French were back in the game with
Orient now they were helped by Emirates Ta New Zealand
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with their design package and they were competitive. Lack of
reliability let them down a wee bit. And there's a
few sniffing in the sidelines which whether they'd come to
New Zealand as opposed if it stayed in the med
I mean, there's talk of the Swedes Artemis getting back
into the game. The Spanish there was a little bit
of talk about a Spanish Challenge, but again that might be.
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That might be only if it was in the Mediterranean
or in Spain, and even the Aussies were there, you know,
Australian interest in maybe entering back into the Cup and
wouldn't that be brilliant Now if it came to New Zealand.
I think that would even be easy for the Australians
to get back into the game. So look all that stuff.
I'm shore the negotiations will flush that out between Challenge
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of Record and the Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron and
immorates Ty New Zealand. That's the negotiation. That's that's the
bottom line that they'll have to to flush out. You
know who's going to be entering four, the thirty eighth
America's Cup.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You hear it from the biggest names and sports and
then have your say on eighty Sports Talk or on
your home of sports and news Talks it be.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
It's been a last Today joining us on air seven
twenty one Story of the Day. They're around the possible
return of the America's Cup embryonic Yes, granted, like the way,
get on saying flush like it was just a great
big turt Polly, you could say. It was what are
your thoughts? And did we want this thing back again?
(15:59):
I think, bygones, be bygones, let it go. I'll be
the first person to boot my hand up saying it
was not happy with the fact that Grant Dalton and
his band of mery men upsticked and ran off to Barcelona,
to Barthla bar Slona to defend the cup. They won,
and we thought they won it for us. We were
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laboring under the misapprehension that when they did, when we'd
get it back and it'd make it hard, almost impossible
for anyone to take it office. But no, no, they
wanted the money, so off they went and I'll take
it back, are right? They need as much money as
they could possibly get so they could put up a defense.
(16:40):
I said, I wouldn't mind dying on my knees around this.
Look at least you're having it at home. But no, no,
that's like we asked, going to take it away. We
need all the money we can get. The Bathlone are
going to give us the money. So we go in
there because we're gon't to defend this thing. You wait
and lorksa lordie. Did they defend it?
Speaker 7 (16:59):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
They did. Now it's the next step. You'd like to
think that the Council. You'd like to think that central government.
You'd like to think that private sponsors could come together
with enough money to keep Team New Zealand here. Even
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if it's a couple of hundred of million dollars, which
is what we're talking about, if you look at the
supposed economic impact and benefit for Barcelona, you'd think it'd
be worth a shot. I've heard some people say, hey,
you know two billion dollars that you know you can
twist out who of your want. I doubt it. Even
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if it's half of that, It's still worth sinking a
couple one hundred million into it, isn't it. Peter pointed
out the bars and the restaurants around c GP and
how that worked, the breathing of life back into the
waterfront of Auckland. Terrorists coming Terists'm all over the country
coming up to Auckland. Gee, if was down here the Japanese,
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I might even have another shot at it. Bygones, be
bygones now. And I don't want Dalton or any of
the team is my best friends. I'll tell you that
right now. But I think we can clear the decks
un start again. Why not, I've achieved what they wanted
to achieve, got the America's Cup. Right, Let's have another crack.
Do you think that the government should get behind this,
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that the Auckland Council should get behind this, and we
should have an absolute crack and bringing the America's Cup
defense back to New Zealand. I'm big enough and ugly
enough to say, yep, I think we should yours please,
I'll eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Then we
walk away from the first fight of last time around
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and go, you know what, you might be right, let's
make a deal. I think we should. We should have
a crack at it anyway, Why not? Blessed be Saint
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Speaker 1 (20:25):
The right call is your call on eight hundred eighty
ten eighty Sports Talk Call on your home of sports
used talk.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Zib baity.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Suit me jump while out gat bindy K we did
break it in if you know about me seventy nine
Sports Talk Care and News Talk ZB So you want
to back, you want to beg, You want to bite
into that America's cub buy again?
Speaker 9 (20:57):
Do you do?
Speaker 10 (20:58):
You do?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
You just forget about the trials and tribulations of last
time eighty ten eighty three phone number n wide. You
can text nineteen nineteen ZBZB standards. Text charge applies for
that love to hear your voice? Are you prepared to
forgive Team New Zealand for running away with our cup
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so they could cast the check because he did say
we might bring it back. But he also said, mister Dalton,
that Saudi Arabia looked like a great place and it's
wonderful and they're all so lovely and you know, basically
read from this song sheet which I can't get it
because it's where the money's at, right, So he thought,
I know he's already soldiers in the Saudis, but maybe,
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just maybe if TARTUCKI Auckland can get a bid together
and get the government central government to climb on board.
With a bit of money, not that they've got any,
but with a bit of money private investment, it could
come back. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty would
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be comfortable with that. Do you want to see it again?
Do you want to see it here? And I think
that with sale GP and what we saw in christ
Church and what we saw in Auckland. When I saw
firsthand in Auckland, there's big energy behind competitive sailing and
the tech game that it is as pedter Lesson described,
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people want to see that again. Although there is this
interesting text Dalton is playing us for the highest bitter darcy.
He doesn't care about nationality at all. Team New Zealand's
worst thing is having Dalton as a front man because
he doesn't sell himself well it must. There be a
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lot of people that agree with you on that one.
The best thing about having him as a front man
is he's his tenacious bugger, isn't he He'll go at
it whenever he can. Morerio took still to come. Let's
go to Conrad Nahi.
Speaker 7 (23:02):
Hello, I see, Yeah, a lot of damage done in
the last cycle. But can I just say some questions
regarding the Americans Cup itself rather than his on government
or taxpayer or whatever. Where is the America's Cup going?
I mean they lost in the offs, right, I mean,
(23:23):
I just think some of those questions have to be
answered by Grant Dalton and we're America's Cup is going
as an event before the government kind of gets all
in because it runs the risk of being a kind
of like during the twenty ten I think Oracle back
in San Francisco, they had like a non event happens
with just two challenges. So I think the America's Cup
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is playing off the magic of the eighties and the
nineties when they had you know, twelve challenges in San
Diego and Fremantles. That's going to die off eventually. And
and you know, kind of on the back of that,
the he'sonders one in Barcelona. You know how many ticketate
phrase do they get? You know? I mean, sorry, how
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many what to could take parade ross?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
You're none over here? People lost it because it wasn't
in front of us. We couldn't see it.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
Well, that's that's part of the point of trying to
make So so what I'd like the government to state
of Dulton is where is the America's cub going as
an event? Because to take the Formula one analogy, the
more modions you need to get in it, the more
of a dead event it will be. There's only so
many Innisto booth rallys around the world. So I think
the America's Cats to sort out maybe kind of some
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kind of plan where more countries can get involved. I mean,
that's that's one of the key points this to me.
When Australia or Japan gets into it.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I don't know if you could use formula one as
a good example, because that is phenomenally popular wherever it goes,
so they could probably run event an event a week.
But it's a similar size, it's similar ish money, So
I get why you place it there, and I think
that's a really good point. That's what we talked with
Peter Lester about at the end. Who will actually come over?
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Because if we've got a couple of challenges and if
it is over here in New Zealand, will the likes
of an Eneus come over if they've got any money?
Will we get a Lney back again? Will the Spanish come?
Can we tempt the Japanese? Would the Australians come? Yeah?
Because without that it does become damp squib, doesn't it.
Speaker 7 (25:27):
Yeah. I mean I'm prepared for Gibbs Dalton hundred percent
and everyone else if they if they have a good
plan for the next twenty thirty years to get you know,
nat to challenges and yeah, okayn, wait, thanks you.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
No, No, Conrad, thanks very much for voicing your thoughts.
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty lines are open
heighted dacks.
Speaker 11 (25:48):
Hey, how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I'm doing spectacularly well, what about yourself.
Speaker 11 (25:54):
I'm just very happy that you'll spectacularly well, thank you.
How much does the Russell Kutz Circus get from.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
The government that I can't tell you.
Speaker 11 (26:08):
It's zero, isn't it. Though the government don't fund is
particular events.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I wonder if Tataki Unlimited Auckland have anything to do
as far as what they put into the event, infrastructure
and the like. I can't like yeah, local government, I
don't think central government does.
Speaker 11 (26:31):
I don't really know much about it. I'm just an
outside of looking in, but surely that event is a
lot more popular, bigger than what the America's Cup is.
I mean, as far as the America's Cup goes, it's
selling point seems to be nation against nation when you
seem to see the same names popping up in different
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so called countries, which are bit a little bit like
calling super rugby clubs rather than franchise. It's just a
franchise event shortly, isn't it. And I'm just wondering whether
the two hundred million would be better spent on another
event other than trying to go into some sort of
poker game bidding with Grant Dalton, who I don't know.
(27:12):
It just seems like he's just lying his pockets throughout
than anything else. But I mean, if you could attract
a World Cup here of them, of like a mid
tier that is here and competes him, would that be
a better wiser investment of quite a lot of money.
If you've already got a yachting event here which seems
to be far superior to to the America's Cup, why
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would you need to send two hundred million dollars from
the government on that.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I mean, that's just an abatuary figure I pulled out
of nowhere. But they got one hundred million dollars in
kind and that wasn't enough. So plainly a whole lot more,
maybe double. I think it's hard Dax. When you compare
the America's Cup to sale GP, they're very different beasts.
It is in apples and oranges because they're both fruit,
but they're distinctly different. Sale GP is in and out,
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wait and bam gone.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
That is it.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
So people come, they enjoy the experience, they go again.
America's Cup it lasts the Louis Vutante over over six weeks,
seven weeks, eight weeks, and they bring apparently we don't
know yet, but they'll bring super yachts in and now
we're not under the cosh of COVID, more likely that
people will come in such it's a different format, it's
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a different style of event.
Speaker 11 (28:24):
So T twenty cricket is last number of hours, one day,
cricket last close to a day or suppose, and then
Test cricket last five days. They're all cricket, aren't me.
It's yachting, isn't It's yachting people racing boats.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah it is, but there Yeah, but you see more
people and you look at T twenty and they're buying
to that. A lot of people will go along and
they're like three hours. I can do that, I can
rock up. So that's that market right there. Test cricket
is a market's compete a different market, same game, different market.
So you'll get people going, yeah, I want to set around.
I want five days, So you get tourists coming and go,
I want six weeks in New Zealand, checking the place out,
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looking at the America's Cup. I'm bringing my money. Other
people are going I'm going over the weekend to watch
the sale. G that I'm out again. So I think
it's just a different account balance that you're looking to
climb into decks, but really appreciate your call. I eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's twenty two away
from our aids. We've still got running hero joining us
to previous night's fun and games over in Lahore as
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the South Africans take on at New Zealand for the
right to compete with India in the final of the
Champions Trophy. Semi final action tonight, I'm Darcy. This is
News Talks EB much y forty one and Sports Talk
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Care on Newstalks AB I'm Darcy. Love to hear from him.
One hundred eighty ten eighty America's Cup yeay named me
your call a Mark? What do you make of this?
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (29:57):
That does the cricket check off tonight ten o'clock Tues.
Speaker 11 (30:02):
No, that's good.
Speaker 9 (30:03):
I might watch it. It'll be good.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I reckon. I'll get to one thirty and then I'll
probably say one ending is down. I better go to bed,
although I might make the whole thing and I might
not be at work tomorrow untill I don't know four five.
Speaker 9 (30:16):
What he pins, how it goes, It could be having
quite quickly. It could be one of those loved ones.
They could blast the whole game. Two billion dollars seems
like quite a lot of money. That didn't look like
there was a lot of people in Barcelona. To me,
I don't know how they come up with some of
these figures sometimes, but it seems like quite a lot
a lot of money.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Really, I suppose when.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
They're like I thought, they say two hundred and forty
four super yachts and they look at the Petro and
the spend the money. I mean, they suck a lot
of money. I can see people say Mark, and I
don't know who to believe because I'm not involved or
engage in this, that maybe they could pump those figures
up to make it look better. Why would they? Is
there advantage them to do that? Maybe there is, Maybe
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there isn't. Maybe it's just it's worth a lot of money.
Speaker 9 (30:58):
Seem it does seem quite killing sidental that that figure
came out on the same day they're announcing there and negotiating.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Extremely cunning because I saw that. I think in the
morning we went, Wow, that's bigg and then I drove
to work and I got to work, I was like.
Speaker 9 (31:10):
Oh my mind, Yeah, I mean, I don't like Dalton,
but I mean I went to the event in twenty one,
and I mean that was after COVID. There was you know,
not many overseas people there obviously, but I mean it
still had a good vibe to it. And you know,
it's quite a long event that brings in a lot
of people for quite a long time, and it sort
of adds a vibe to the city, don't you think.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Well, it's not. It hasn't been the city of Sales
for a while, hasn't it. It really hasn't, so maybe
it will add that vibe. Is it worth chasing? I
expect a lot of the rest of the country go
not on my watch. Pow, We're not funding you dirty Jeffers.
Speaker 12 (31:48):
You know, Graham, can I let me disclosed to Arcie?
I must say it's been all my life and I'm
very keen on yachting. But I actually thinking, no pun
intended that the boat has sailed, not because of Grant Dalton,
but I think people now watching sport or participating, but
looking for instance location and you know, Dolgon could be
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redeemed within the bossom of when you zee on public
as I made it. So GP has been to look.
At the end of the day, I think there is
more of an interest in this instance support instant fun
like sale GP, and that is going to attract the
younger people and the people at my age, slightly older
or even older into the sort of focal point of
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what is sailing all about. I think the America's Cup
has got to the elite of elite, those that can
really afford it and distance itself from the general populace.
Sale GP doesn't do that. So can we afford two
or three hundred million or whatever it is going to cost.
I'd rather say it put into health of New Zealand,
even I'm a sailor.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, well, I mean Muhammad Mountains and the like. What
they're doing that, And that's the beauty of sale GP.
It's right there. And you're right about instant gratification. It's
sadly true. But Graham, thanks very much for calling. Thanks
for your good since you should bring back again get
a Diane.
Speaker 11 (33:04):
How are you okay?
Speaker 10 (33:06):
No, I think he's I know it cost a lot
to run the America's Cup and what the government did
with Auckland Harbor and getting it ready for the America's
Cup and the way Dalton wanted it done and the
millions that went into that, and then they win and
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then they take it away. So I just think we
didn't watch the America's Cup this time, and I'm a
big fan. Watched it right from the beginning when Peter
Blake did it and he got behind the country and
the country got behind him with the Red Sox and
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it was amazing.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Big Dalton is not a likable character, rusk kind of character,
but he gets things done, but he doesn't endear himself
and I'd suggest he doesn't care what people think about him.
Speaker 10 (34:01):
No, but I thought it was really nice. I met him.
My son won a competition to go with the Cup
and when it came to Wellington, my son was at
and he treated my son really well. He got to
hold the cup and you know, it was really lovely
and I got talking to him, and yeah, he can
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be arrogant, but it's and I know it costs a
lot of money to do the America's Cup, but what
is a.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Fighter, Diane, And he knows what he wants and he'll
go he'll do anything to get that, and I think
that's why maybe he rubs people up the wrong way.
Look I've met Grant Dalton a few times. I'm the
bloody media. It's nice to me. They believe your son
picked up the America's cup mate. You're allowed to you're
not allowed to touch that. You can't hold it. Maybe it's
a new law that's changed. Interesting thoughts where it goes.
(34:49):
I don't know. Sport coming up in all a couple
of hours. Time, Sit back, relax, enjoy the show. It's
all about crickets and we're going to preview that up
next with the runny hero here on his talks there
b yeah, I was gone gone. Can we go back
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to the healcyon days of twenty twenty and Nairobi when
the Black Cats held all off the champions trophy? No idea,
but they do have to get through the semi finalist,
the other one, the South African starts tonight form a
black cap on here it joins us now evening Ronnie evening,
He gone, yeah, good, looking forward to night. Another long
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night in front of the TV. Don't know quite long,
how old, but I'll have a crack anyway, because it
looks like if you read up about this semi final
between South Africa and New Zealand, she's going to be
a high scoring affair of previous matches or anything to
go by, it could be a crater.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Back in Pakistan, they've recently played that Try series as well,
so I guess the two teams will know each other
pretty well. And yeah, the better's probably be looking forward
to a decent flag.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I suppose the question as the we'll throw it at
you the makeup of the top audit. Mitchell's coming back,
Young's been in and out, Conway's been in and out.
You're not going to mess with Ravishing Revenger, are you?
So who is the unlucky player out of the three
of them that miss out? I mean you're not going
to get rid of Revenger.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
No, I'd say it'd probably be a combination of Ravender
and Young just because they played that combination in the
Try series and Red relatively well. I think that'll probably
be the mix, and yeah, throwing someone in or changing
it too much. I think what they've probably got to
do is just go with what they think their best
eleven is and I think that was probably the eleven
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that was playing in the Try series.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Right, So room for Mitchell to come in. So who
walks away? Will it be Conway who doesn't get the
right because the four players you can't fit him into
three spots.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
I think it'd probably be Conway. I'd say Mitchell probably
be a street switchback, and he's just got enough credit
in the bank in terms of ICC tournaments. The last
World Cup he was dynamite, so I think he's probably
the one that slots straight back in.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
He's hopelessly reliable, isn't he. I think once he dropped
a horrible catch of recent times, so that's the only
mistake of scene and make it a long time. He's
a trustworthy character him.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
And I think you're getting a good production out of
Phillips those two together in the middle either one of
them come off, I think yeah, in conjunction with some
of the guys in the top order. If they can
get away, then I think you're looking at a pretty
good total.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
They fell apart and also fell apart. It's probably a
little cruel, but they dropped the ball, not literally but
figuratively up against to India. Couldn't put those partnerships together
in the middle order towards the end. Is it an
easy fixing that they picked much up out of that? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:47):
I think there's just some things that are to take
from that game in terms of lessons to take forward
into the semi and then hopefully the final when they
play in there. Again, I think it's just tweaking guys,
maybe taking some obstains a little bit too early in
the piece. And I think you see that saw that game.
Although you know, when you're chasing, you can almost guy
to chase home. But if they've got another thirty to
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forty runs and had a bit more scoreboard pressure, I
think that game might have looked a little different. You know,
India did win by I think five or six weeks
with someone like that, but you know, the extra time
taken to score those runs in the second and second
innings might have used a bit more resource for India,
you know, and then the game becomes a bit more
a bit more close. So I don't think they're a
million miles away, and they have been playing pretty well,
(38:28):
especially in the tri series against Pakistan and South Africa,
so I expect something similar tonight, Ronnie.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I believe that whether you bat or bowl first, there's
not much bearing on the outcome of the game, so
it's not really toss dependent that's going to be good,
doesn't it.
Speaker 7 (38:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
I mean i'd imagine in a semi final it'll be
probably looking with the jew maybe coming down batting second.
But you know, obviously the argument has runs on the
board and we've seen South Africa in the past, perhaps
under pressure not not get through those games against New Zealand.
I think the last few SEC events in New Zealand have
had the ward over them, especially in knockout games. So
(39:06):
I think he can lean on those types of experiences.
You've had Kame Williamson go through that, You've had sat
In to go through it against South Africa, so guys
who have been there and done that.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
But yeah, I think batting and bowling.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
I think New Zealand betting and bowling first. Rather I
think that the black Cats should be able to either
post a good store or you know, chase something down.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Jamison O'Rourke and of course Matt Henry's really coming to
his own. That's a wonderful trumveret of fast bowlers. Then
you've got what Beast brings to it as well, brace
Will and of course the captain Santna. She's a pretty
balanced bowling lineupn't it.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Yeah, the very balanced at the moment. Actually, I think
I think they probably would have liked Ferguson fit just
adds a bit something more, something different with a speed,
but there wasn't to be and they've managed to get
Jameson involved quite quickly, so it's good to see him
back after, you know, somewhat of a long injury period.
But hopefully you can get a good string of games
(40:05):
and back in the back of the but well rounded.
I think Michael Brasil not only with the ball, but
I think it'd be nice if you could start featuring
a little bit more consistently with the bat when he
gets opportunities, because he's such a dangerous hitter as well.
But I think the black Caps, barring the Mitchell conundrum,
I think they're pretty settled at the moment.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
They've had the best build up and I know that
they've been criticized before New Zealand Cricket have been anyway
of not giving them a proper build up before a
key series that you can't complain about this time around.
If they're set and ready to perform after what they've
been through the last loot six weeks, it's now, isn't it.
It is?
Speaker 4 (40:41):
I mean India is going to be formidable in the final,
but we've got to get there first. But I don't
think they've got as good an opportunity this time they're
coming in. They've played in those conditions in Pakistan for
the last five or six weeks, barring the game in Dubai,
and I think they're probably going to have as good
a chance as any is trying to get to the
final and then trying to be near over more so
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than some of the other events that they've been to
where they perhaps haven't had that that preparation in those conditions.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
No need for the TMO. We've got the breakdown on
Sports Talk.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
News Talk said.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Four minutes to eight, Ronnie, here are they're joining us
to look forward to the game starts in just over
two hours time. I'll do the monkey for you all.
I'll watch the first innings. I will suffer that for
all of you out there. I might even try and
watch some of the second innings we will see. I
suppose can justify because it is my job. Really looking
(41:40):
forward to it. Sneaky South African side, it's only amount
of time before they turn that around. The seven semi
finals with only one victory so we will see. But
it's a very well balanced team that this New Zealand
side have got. Maybe Locky Munroe might have added a
wee bit, but I mean, hey, a Rock's not bad,
is he? Oh Jamison? Or he works man Henry, I'll
(42:04):
take him. A couple of quick texts for you on
the America's Cup situation. The two thousand America's Cup was
one of the best times of my life. Auckland was
going off. We need that back, Darcy. If we get
the America's Cup back in Auckland, they'll be held about
the same time as the Sale GP. It'd be a
win win event for New Zealand. Steve it could be,
(42:28):
Gil writes, so GP as the curtain raiser of the
America's Cup. Bring it on and then there's some cussing
and squealing and pulling of hair with people who don't
want to see it ever again. It's one text. I'm
never watching Team New Zealand again. Got a lot of
gray area there, Andy Duff, thanks for pushing the program out,
producing and looking after all my wants and needs. I'm
(42:52):
Darcy Watergrave. Catch you tomorrow.
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