April 4, 2025 • 40 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap another day of sports news! Highlights for tonight include:
Ken Rutherford - Former Blackcaps Captain and CEO of Northern Districts Cricket.
Talkback - Should NZC re-sign Gary Stead or go to market? Should they look at splitting the roles?
Greg Clark - Super Rugby's Fijian Drua Lead Commentator - On their game in Suva against the Crusaders
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Seven up to seven good evening. This is Sports Talk
on News Talk z B and Darcy walder Grave. It's
all sports now through un Tail eight o'clock tonight. We'll
talk a bit of cricket, we'll talk a bit of rugby,
and I'll stare aimlessly at two screens, trying my best
to keep me up today. What's going on with the
Chiefs and the Reds free practice two in Suzukah. That
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is our plan. Our two guest, Greg Clark sip Rugby
Pacific feeds Youne Drew a lead commentator. It's all happening
in suber tomorrow, the Crusaders looking back at a thrashing
from a team, looking ahead to another thrashing from another
Pacific team. We'll see Greg Clark makes of that towards
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the end of the program. Coming up shortly, Ken Rather
for It joins us formally his Zealand Test skipper, talking
about Gary Steed's last game of his black Caps coaching contract,
which is possibly tomorrow. We say possibly because nothing's confirmed
it as contract finishes right soon. What happens now where
do they go, do they stay? Do they come? Do
they go? Has he been good? Bad and different? What
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about the way he's dealt with the lay of the
land and cricket over the last few years, which has
been quite complex. We'll talk all about that with Ken
rather than shortly. Ken, who I'm informed as the new
CEO of Northern Districts Cricket. It's shot off to the
West Island for a while there. Now he finds himself back,
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I'm sure he'll be claiming the plunket hield from last week. Ken,
you werein CEO then, okay, just cool your jets, that's
our plan. Take your calls on New Zealand trying to
resign Gary Stead looking at someone fresh? Do they split
between the formats and somebody has just come a hellicropper,
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Sorry to slow the strip down. Now that is one
chopped up race car trying to determine which car is
it's Jack doing in the lpene and he has crunched
that into the side. I think he's okay. There's a
craneier coming to drad the car off the side of
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the corner. Look, let's hope he's okay. Zach Carr is
in a right state anyway, we'll go back to that
red flag at P two shortly before that, though, Let's
do this sport today and in sport today. Sean Stevenson
sits up tonight for the Chiefs to become another one
of the crew to notch up a tatter caps for
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the franchise. He's stoked. He's also feeling a bit mature.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Let alone to play, to play fifty, but to get
to one hundred that this means a will to myself,
my family as well.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
I was looking at the wall.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
I think I only haven't played with one another player
on that list, so makes me feel old looking back.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Much too. Principal Christian Horner's delight new number two drive
before the Red Bull team Yuki Sada. Is it a
good season him? Free practice and well done to it?
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Certainly a good start for Yuki, settling into the car
pretty well. Obviously quite a different feel probably to what
he's what he's used to. But I thought he he
settled then he gave very good feedback.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
It's not stroke play. Bar lydy Co thinks she'll bounce
back tomorrow after a pretty average start to the Las
Vegas LPGA match play events. It's a different mindset, but
you know, I'm proud to be a US Woman's ZAM champion,
so I don't feel like I'm too shabby at.
Speaker 7 (03:56):
Match plays either. But he's going to be a fun game.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And just saying doing us out of the car. He's
being assisted, but he's got all of his limbs and
he appears to be walking recently come to this. That's
great news there for the Ossie. You should watch some
of that LBJ match Play's really good. Tragically, I was
watching more sport last night because I can't help myself,
and there are some fantastic golf being played in that
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so subtle, so direct, that's super cool. Anyway, Olidia co
plays the Spaniard carlottas Saganda tomorrow and Shiko Gialdez is
out for the season with a miniscous issue, but Phoenix
coach Gan Carlo Taliano likes to believe that he'll be back.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
It'd be a great addition not only to our team
but to the A League in general. You can see
what kind of skill he has, you know, it's a
great triple over the ball, very composing the.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Ball, and that's sport today. Moving on now too, Keen
rather than forming New Zealand's a test captain. It joins
us now to look at the tenure of Gary Stead,
what it's done, should it move on? So on and
so forth. He joins us.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Now, good evening, kend always a plea mate.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Great to have you on board. As we look at
the career, whether it's ended or not, not entirely sure,
but tomorrow, I suppose effectually marks the last game in
charge for Gary Stead. I suppose first question is when
you look back at his career, where does he sit?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Look he's done well. I'm sure his achievements will stand
the test of scrutiny, Darcy, won't they? And I think
over the last couple of years when you look at
the way cricket has involved at that level, and the
fact that like trend Bolt and others have decided to
sort of taken more independent route around contracts and stuff
like that, the fact that Steed Stead and his cohorts
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will be able to retain a really strong performance with
a lot of new players coming and going. Darcy, I
think that's probably been a really testing kind of twelve
to twenty four months instead the last couple of years,
and he's come through looking pretty good. I mean this
Pakistan series is probably a fair indication of the length
and depth that all sudden New Zealand cricket does seem
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to possess.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
It has to be very flexible as a coach in
this brave new world because of the decisions that New
Zealand cricket keep making. And they are sensible ones to
keep up with the play with franchise cricket. But if
they haven't got a coach who understands and buys in,
there's no point is there. So plainly he's been part
and party to this advance and of the.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Course you spot on and I think what you've seen
the way international cricket evolve over the last two years
is probably going to be nothing to the way it
might continue to evolve over the next two to three
to five years. See I think Cerlly and reading between
the lines, and I think Cam Williamson was quite a
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during the week. We might see international cricket similar to
international soccer international football, given windows where international games are
played around club competitions or in cricket's case, the franchise
competitions that are happening around the world with ever increasing frequency.
So you're right for administrators. It's about being flexible, agile,
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pretty pretty up to date sort of words, modern words
those Darcy.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I'm still young, ken give me a break. Only in
the fifties exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
An instances of example of a current cricket coach at
international level who does have to be, you know, to
have a malleable approach Darcy.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
One of the hallmarks of his career you probably said
the same when he was opening the batting and tweaking
as well, is that he's a very calm individual and
I think seems to ruffle his feathers. He doesn't overreact
or underreact. That is what he is, and I think
having a hand on the tiller like that in cricket
especially is goal for the team because you can have
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rotten matches and rotten series. But it never seems to
bother him.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
No, it doesn't, because he's got a fairly implacable kind
of demeanor, isn't He just just gets on with things
and doesn't seem to suffer from the ups and downs
that volatile characters may may suffer from. Look, I think
he's been helped by a very strong, experienced corp of
players over the full tenure of US as a time
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of New Zealand coach Darcy. He's had a number of
wealth New Zealand greats to draw on, hasn't it, really,
And and I think he's given them the reins to
kind of run the side to some extent, to a
large extends. And it's not really the way it was
back and back in my day. But potentially when the
coach kind of took control and you know, Boba Kunis
was out there with the warm ups and was telling
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you what to do and you know, hollering out orders.
That's not the modern day a way. I think it's
the modern day coaching ways to very much put the
responsibility for a large part of the team's fortunes in
the hand of the in the hands of the players myselves,
and instead's been pretty good at delegating that.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
It might be the end of an era when it
comes to a coach who actually coaches three different varieties
of the game. He's had succeeds twenty semi final time,
sorry final time. He's had success with that dreaded One
Day International against England back in the day, and of
course in the World Test Championship. And he's still doing
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all three now. That is unusual.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
It is unusual and in the same way that we're
seeing the players kind of become specialized in one or
two of the other three codes of the game, if
you like. I think we're seeing the coaches as well
be very selective in terms of their areas of expertise.
And look, we don't really know, do we instead is
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going to look to continue in some capacity or not.
But I think what we are pretty sure of is
that there will be a more multiple look to the
coaching staff at New Zealand Cricket than perhaps has been
in the past. You might have an overarching manager of
the coaches if you like, but I think the twos
of personnel on the ground t twenties fifty over or
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test matches. You're going to see a group of coaches
around the ones that are taken center stage.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
When you talk about being malleable, and this is something
New Zealand Cricket can to proven they can do so
to give someone the role as director of cricket, for example,
over all three it wouldn't be a surprise. You talked
about consistency in selection and this goes with the players.
It now also goes with the coaching of the side.
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There very much is a line that has followed. I'd
expect with this the succession plan is probably in place.
That's what's been happening recently. Is that still the right
way to go? Do you think?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I think it probably is. I think, you know, it's
a good kind of a source of encouragement for young
coaches coming through our system, the New Zealand cricket system,
in the same way that for a young player to
play for the Black Caps or for the White Ferns,
it's nice to play provincial cricket knowing that perhaps you've
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got a chance of playing international cricket one day, And
for our coaches it should have followed that that's the
same kind of encouragement and motivation that they are receiving.
So I think it sounds a really good signal out
to the likes of Peter Forden could be on the
short list, couldn't he? Just as one example, b J
Whittling could even be on the shortlist having just won
the Plunket Shield for Northern Districts and those guys, I'm
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sure we'll be in discussions and they deserve to be,
and I think it sends a good signal out. And
I think the other fact we have to be conscious of,
Darcy is that for a lot of the top class
international coaches now, they've already got gigs around the world,
haven't they. So internationally wise, who you're going to get
that is going to be any better than what we've
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got currently here in our shores.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Well, you look at Luke Ronke, who's obviously played at
the highest level for the black Cats, and he's been
there or thereabouts for quite some time, so almost seamless.
Should they give him the nod?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Well, it's a it's a really good name that you've raised,
the Eluke and he's been involved. Look, it wasn't so
long ago. He was a member of the playing team
under Bretta McCullum and Mike Hessen. Hadn't seen too many
heinikens a go quite frankly does. But you know he's
been engaged in the game. He's well regarded and knows
very well regarded by his players. So he could easily
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step up now, whether he wants to do as we
spoke in a few moments ago, whether he wants to
do the whole three codes or not, he probably could.
He's capable of doing I'm sure, but I'm pretty sure
he's got a young family and other things going on
in his life, so he might, you know, they might
piece off the T twenties for him and to do
and he gets something else involved in the tests in
the fifty over game. Who knows, but he's certainly going
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to be a name who's going to be the top
of considerations.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You'd like to think. So another way this works really well.
Gary Stead. He came under the pump but a criticism
when he had pre planned time off like I'm going
on holiday now, it doesn't matter what's going on. It
happened to coincide with the pretty dreadful time for New
Zealand cricket and he stood by his guns. I mean, no,
I need this. And he's given other coaches on New
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Zealand Cricket I have over the years time to actually
run the show, time to be the coach of the time.
So that's really helped give these guys the confidence and
the energy as he stood down and said, you have
a cracket, so they're easing it in.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah, And look, I was probably one of those of
the time when because I do recall that and I
may been asked by someone like yourself to speak on
air about Darcy and I was probably of a more
prehistoric view, but the modern day way is very much
it's not just about the results, it's about, you know,
looking after people in their well being, et cetera. So
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it's good that he did stick to his guns at
the time and their New Zealand crek were fully supportive
of them. It's it's the way we are now in
terms of looking after folk, and it's the way it
should be.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
And it's helped with the guys who took the reins
while he was having a rent because they understand what
it's like at that top level. So it all works
really well. He's not retired yet. I hate to say
he's going to walk away, because I've got a feeling
he might stick around for a while. I know what
the one highlight of his career that I'll look back on.
Have you got the same?
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Will that be the test chairmanship? Would it be?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Come on?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Can?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Of course? It would be have to be?
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Would it have to be? Look he said, But that's
only the one highlight. I mean, I think when I'm
going to look back if he does, if he doesn't continue,
we you know, We've probably been presumptuous here, Darcy and
looking back at some of the memories, but I really
do think he's done well to just to keep the
ship going a good direction, a good strong direction, and
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he's blooded a lot of the good players, the players
who have turned out to be really good critters for
New Zealand. And the momentum is there. It's been guarded
over a period since Ben McCallum probably took over in
twenty thirteen with Mike Heessen, and there's been very few
dips over the last twelve years and his ogn cricket.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And if there have been, I'm not even able to
talk about it because here has been so many bumps
up and that's the nature of international cricket. Mate, you
can't win everything. As you well know, Ken, love talking
cricket you mate, Thanks so much for joining us here
on ZB.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Have a good one, Darcy. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
The right call is your call on eight hundred eighty
eighty Sports Talk call on your home of Sports News
Talk ZB.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Keen ruther than there form our black Caps skipper, Actually
hold on. I don't even think they will call the
black Caps way back there. Sorry, Keen feels, but it's
true that he's now the CEO of Northern Districts Cricket Ibe.
He keeps talking to us on air. You might get
muzzled by the bosses. I needs the CEO. Can he
muzzle himself? Highly likely? Interesting thoughts around what happens next
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to Gary Stead to the New Zealand coaching vacancy if
it does arise, and in what format there's so many
of them, well three at last count. We're going to
take your calls on that shortly, but before any of
the let's take away listen to happenings over the last
ten minutes. Luke Jacobson went and did this to the Reds.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
The Chiefs they're a meter out, they're right under the posts.
We've done a minute, two minutes now the Chiefs half
a meter out Jacobson's clothes.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
He gets driven back to pry.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Yeah, great try look Jacobson, I thinks got the ball
over Jacobson. After three minutes.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
He scores the try this one Son seven that Zep
Mackenzie converted that seventeen gone seven place nought. That's Chiefs
over the Reds and Hamilton and free practice two. It
had kind of only just really gone underway and this happened.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Let's have a look now we can see riding on
boards and actually said sharp sharp descent down.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
Towards to well.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Watching that outside left will or was it the rear
that tipped into.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
The grass that's heavy?
Speaker 8 (17:06):
Didn't From this angle, it didn't look like he did
dip the left rear wheel. Maybe we'll see a better
angle here. I didn't actually catch whether you had the
RS open or not. Crofty there did did you spot it?
I was looking for the wheel.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
No, the same as yourself.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I'm a throw demo.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
But that did let go into incredibly quick. I would
not have expected that.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Are you are okay? I'm okay, Yeah, what happened?
Speaker 7 (17:35):
We're just looking at everything on our side here.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Hey, you ricked? You wrecked? Your can't that's what? But
it might not have been you. Look, I can't listen
to any of the calms from if one land. As
soon as I know what happened, I wud let you know.
That was straight into turn one and fear moving, no doubt.
And I suppose jack doing is lucky that the driver,
sorry the cock put These guys find themselves in They
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explode essentially upon context, so it looks dramatic when they
hit the wall's bits fly off them left, right and center,
but that just basically absorbs all the energy of the
crash so the driver doesn't have to It looks spectacular,
but it is safe. We'll save as you can get
when it comes to crashing a car at over two
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hundred miles per hour. It's twenty five minutes after seven.
It's the sports talk on News Talk BB and the
Reds have just scored. In the twentieth minute. They've rolled over.
Matt Fessler has scored for himself a meat pie. Just
looking at a quick replay there. They've pulled it off
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a line out have the Reds about five meters from
the line. There's a rolling mall and they're just basically
bushed right the way through the Chiefs and that is
reasonably easy going. The Chiefs will be a little dark
on that the way they managed to get hammered up front,
but hey, that's the Reds. That's the update there for it. Anyway,
coming up shortly your calls, my thoughts. We're talking cricket
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Gary Stead who next does he even leave eight hundred
eighty ten.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Eighty He need the TMO. We've got the breakdown on
Sports Talk Call News Talk.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Twenty third chis Reds Chiefs still with the slender lead.
Seven five are over the Reds and we will resume
free practice in Suzuka sooner rather than later. We'd like
to think the cars are all lined up now we're
going to crawl back onto the track after that great
big off from Jack Diwan in the LPN earlier on
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in the piece. So the contract finishes. Remember he got
re signed again a couple of years ago, and there's
a bit of gnashing of teeth around there whether that
was the smart thing to do from New Zealand cricket.
If you look at his results as a whole, he's
been very successful. Arguably the most successful coach in New
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Zealand history. He's done very very well. Yeah, only the
one big dance he's come home with and that's the
World Test Championship, but had finals in T twenty hit
finals in World Cups as well. I think the most
important thing about Gary Steeden mentioned this well, I was
Jordan de Ken Rutherford there is that it's been such
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a tumultuous time in world cricket over the last few years,
and he used the word nimble. New Zealand Cricket under
the guidance of Scott Weening, the new CEO, they've also
been very nimble, some would suggest maybe too lenients or
two pliant when it comes to dealing with the wants
and the needs of the cricketers. With that this ever
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changing global situation we find ourselves and with the dominance
of the T twenty franchise game. So for Gary Stead
to be able to control the players, look after the players,
coach the players during this time of uncertainty, and most
importantly roll some of these young guys through. We know
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we complain vociferously about the quality of some of the
teams because the best players aren't there, but all of
us may he that's being done now, I'm convinced will
turn up Trumps Trump's in a good way. Sorry, we'll
turn up Trump's eventually for New Zealand cricket. So much
experience now through the departure of others, for the riches
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of T twenty competitions. I think Gary Stead also needs
a pad on the back for that. So where to now?
It's been what seven years as a long time and
he's been running all three formats one day is the
twenties test cricket. Does he need a cup of tea
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and a lie down? Is it time for the baton
to be handed on to the next cab. Gary's going
to make his mind up, and I'd suggest with the
success that he had, that's his decision. He wants to
call time, He can call time if he goes. You
know what, are you gonna get another couple of years
of me? Let him go for me? Let him go.
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He's fine. Some people don't agree with me, and I'm
sure you'll ring through. Oh eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty a text nineteen ninety two. I'll never forgive
Stared as coach because he held on to Southey for
way too long. So our younger guys who are playing
now would have been much more experienced if they had
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had that time. That was always a delicate balance, wasn't it.
How to exit southe stage left? I think credit to Tim.
He realized the writing was on the wall, thought it's
like spray paint, was like a ten meter high wall,
and he went, I can't do this, Captaincy anymore. Ex Hel,
I'm out. So maybe Stead could have been a little
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more forceful. But we're talking one of the game's greats,
aren't we in New Zealand cricket. So you understand that
the kid gloves with which that had to be handled.
So if he wants to carry on, great, If he doesn't,
the beauty here is there are a number of different
coaches who could slide into that role. We like a
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situation We've seen it in rugby where there is a
succession plan in place and if you run by that,
fery Luke Ronke should roll straight into the role. But
as Ken pointed out, you got bj Watling doing good
things with Northern Peter Fulton playing well. You got Milan
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remember he was up for the role seven eight years
ago when Gary Stead got the role and he disappeared
Milan he went off overseas to Ireland to get some
international experience, hoping for the time he could come back
and get the job done. No one of my colleagues
in the office, Alex Powell beats the drum all the
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time for Jason Gillispie, thinks he has all that there's
another character in the gun. I think the choices are good.
We're not going to attempt back some of the big
guns like McCullum from Britain and Flamingham the Tory from
their various roles because something you haven't got the money,
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but to fold in, maybe even to fold in a
wrong key. F Stead keeps the role through the Zimbabwe
tour coming up in a couple of months. That might
be the best way to do it. But one thing
I am firm on. They need many coaches across many disciplines.
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I think it's laudable the way that Gary Stead has
controlled three teams from the exterior. That is tough and
for all tens and purposes. He's done a very good job.
But I think it's time to move forward New Zealand
Cricket to identify coaches, to give them roles and to
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settle them into roles, even if it's just red bull
white ball. I think time now that New Zealand Cricket
make that decision as they ease Gary out, providing he
wants to go, before easing the next couple of contenders
in well Mars is not happy. I think Sky is
going a bit pair shape because of where the sun
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is at the moment. He can't get hold of practice too.
I'll keep you up to date the Chiefs better penalty
is now ten five after half an hour of that
super Rugby Pacific game. I'll let you know when the
race car start again soon and shortly we're going to
Greg Clark, Clerky and Draw's chief commentator. What a job
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whip over to the islands every couple of weeks and
comminate a game of rugby. Old bugger Claggie joins us
shortly as we take a look at that game the
Crusaders against and Drawer one thrashing from a bunch of
Pacific Islanders to another sports talk. Not another red flag
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Fernando Alonso. This time he's run out of talent and
stuck it in the kitty litter and the things bogged down.
They got drag it out with a crane, so everyone's
back twiddling their thumbs again. A free practice. Too sex
to go in the rugby for the first half anyway,
Chiefs leading at Red's ten to five. A couple of
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quick texts before we catch up with Greg Clark talking
super Rugby Pacific Darcy. I think Stead has been carried
by the player set available to him and the culture
set prior by Hessen and McCullum. You know, Wagner's book
is quite enlightening on this. The leadership group has carried
things in my opinion, Sam, thanks for your text, Darcy.
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How about Shane Jurgenson approven assistant coach Bed Willing to
domestic titles and the bowling coach in Bangladesh also head
coaching roles Scotland, Fiji and plenty of times with the
Black Caps. Jugnan, I love talking to Shang's your laughs
all the time. That's just too much fun for him.
And again another fine prospect and interesting on that previous
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text from Sam around picking up the culture set prior. Well,
if he's picked it up, it's been seven eight years,
there's a number of changes in that team and a
number of new players have been drafted into great success.
So whatever he packed up, he's run with it and
he's done it very very well. So I think it's
too far in the past to look back and go
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he's just riding on the coattails of those two former coaches.
I don't think that is the case anyway. This is
in News Talks ab It is nineteen minutes to eight
susy Now to catch up with Greg Clark's Super Rugby
Pacific Fijian drew a league lead excuse me, lead commentator,
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as we look toward the fun and games when the
Crusaders play and Drawer.
Speaker 7 (29:04):
Good evening, Greg, good evening. How are you going very well?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Probably not quite at your level because you're going to
be in Fiji before you know it, calling as you
do habitually Fiji and Drawer taking on the Crusaders. This
is a dog of an away match for the Crusaders,
isn't it, greed.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
Well, Darsi is a dog of an away match for
all teams.
Speaker 9 (29:27):
As we've seen over the last few years, terrible conditions
for visiting teams because not only do you have that
passionate crowd in your ear for not just the eighty minutes,
but for the warm up and everything else. They just
get into it from the moment they sit down on
the grass or in the stands.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
And also.
Speaker 9 (29:48):
If it's thirty degrees in Latoka or suber, it feels
like it's going to be forty degrees in the middle
of the park. So tough conditions, but you know, I
think they've been a great addition to Superbi Pacific, the
Drawer and also.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
Mowana, so most players don't complain about it. They have
to get out of the middle.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
But everyone enjoys a trip to Fiji, and including the
fans does it because it's now a bucket list trip.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
I would say, so I was just about to chime
in with exactly that I feel now I have to
follow the Crusaders over there at some stage to watch.
I mean being to Fiji on holiday we all have
and when you're outside of the North Auckland district of
dinner because that's what it is, and you're actually watching
the rugby for the school kids, it's just fantastic to watch.
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These are such skilled athletes.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
They certainly are.
Speaker 9 (30:38):
And you know the Chiefs, even though they lost last
time that they had I reckon there was at least
one hundred fans that made their way over there. I
know Aaron Cruden was there with a group of either
sponsors for the Chiefs or anyway.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
He was on a bit of a junket and he
was enjoying himself in the crowd. And the fans just.
Speaker 9 (30:59):
Love it because it's very unique. And I know it's
easy for the drawer to call their fans the best
fan in the world. But no matter where you go,
Hong Kong Seven's for example. You know, there are just
Fijians in the crowd everywhere you.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
Go around the world, so they love their rugby. It
is a religion to them.
Speaker 9 (31:18):
And you know, I just love calling the games there
because it's it's just fantastic win, lose or draw.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
You know, everyone has a great day at the rugby
and Fiji well that's all well.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
And good, but let's look at the elephant of the room.
They haven't been winning and this is something that will
be of utmost embarrassment to them, to the players, to
the management. They've got everything there, they just can't quite
get it over the line. What's lacking do you think
in the Fijian drawer?
Speaker 7 (31:47):
Well, it's twofold.
Speaker 9 (31:48):
First of all, they can't win on the road and
mc burn couldn't work it out any three years.
Speaker 7 (31:54):
Glenn Jackson hasn't been able to work it out so far.
It really is a mind boggling thing.
Speaker 9 (32:02):
The fact that they can win it at home, they
can be competitive at home, and then I'll go to
a Western force in Perth and get an absolute shell acking.
And you've got to remember that they won one from
their six games so far, which is not good. Enough,
but in three of the losses they were in front
with five minutes to go and they just haven't been
able to close it out.
Speaker 7 (32:21):
They should have beaten the Brumbies in week one.
Speaker 9 (32:23):
They have should have beaten the Hurricanes, could have should
have beaten the Waratahs, and they were competitive. It was
nil all after twenty minutes against the Brumbies and while
they lost by sixteen or seventeen in camera, Glen Jackson.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
Thought that he had them right, he had them prime
to finally win.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
In Perth and they as you know, they were down
by I think thirty three points Daniel before halftime.
Speaker 7 (32:46):
So that's the first age. They can't win on the
road and.
Speaker 9 (32:49):
That has to change before they're going to be a
genuine contender at home. Well, they just grow another leg,
I just know. And I've been talking to coaches and
officials this week in Fiji and they've responded to that.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
The hiding they copped in Perth, and they're rare and
to go. They came back a couple of days early
in the bye week.
Speaker 9 (33:11):
They've been bashing each other at training, so you will
have a look tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (33:15):
They'll be fired up, no doubt about that.
Speaker 9 (33:17):
So The key for the Crusaders is to take the
crowd out of it, to score early and to slow
the game down.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
They're still licking their wounds from their last Pacific encounter.
No one saw that coming, and you mentioned that they
can't close games out. Mowana had the problem that they
were great for forty, they were great for sixty, but
there was a twenty minute period in there where it
all fell apart. Not last week, they learned how to
win and they did it against arguably the best. So
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what do the Crusaders take out of that and try
and apply to feed g Because they're bitten.
Speaker 9 (33:50):
That's right, they'll be hurting. And I was saying, you
do draw a head coach Glenn Jackson during the week
and he said the Crusaders didn't do them. Oh sorry,
the Moana didn't do them any favors by beating the Crusaders,
so they'll be fired up for this one.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
They'll be hurting. But on the other hand, the Mohana
also the Fiji and drew out how to beat the Crusaders,
and that is you must win the collision up front.
So it's going to be brutal. So that pact that
rob penny is starting with. For the Crusaders, they really
have to front up from the get go. If the
draw it forwards, get on a little bit of a roll, win.
Speaker 9 (34:24):
The early collisions and the crowd gets involved, it's going
to be a long afternoon for the Crusaders. Teams that
have beaten the Drewer in recent years go back to
the Blues a couple of years ago and the Hurricanes
the last year. They slow it down, they don't get
involved in the Fiji drewer style of play. If you
would get out there and think you can throw the
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ball around in those conditions as well as the drawer,
well you're dreaming. So you walk to every line out,
you walk to every scrum you've been down, and if you're.
Speaker 7 (34:54):
A prop and you do up your bootlacers at every scrum.
Speaker 9 (34:57):
You just slow it down as much as possible and
you get your kicking game right. You've got to play
it at the other end and you invite the drawer
to score from the territory and sometimes at home.
Speaker 7 (35:08):
They do that, well, they do it regularly, but you
know they're not going to do it every time you
kick it down into their twenty two.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
So you've got to be smart and I'm sure Rob
Penny has had a look at the last two years
the Crusaders have been to Toka.
Speaker 7 (35:21):
They've lost both of those games.
Speaker 9 (35:23):
Last year they didn't score a point in the second half,
you'll recall, and of course Mowana showed a few chinks
in the Crusader's armor last week.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
In christ Church.
Speaker 9 (35:34):
So yeah, it's going to be very interesting. But it's
the battle up front that's where it's going to be one. Obviously,
both teams have got talent to burn in the back line.
It's going to be interesting to see how sever Roos
plays at thirteen. I read that he had played there
before moving to Canterbury, but this is going to be
a debut at super rugby level for Sebu and the
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thirteen Jersey. Obviously there's Jordan at the back end, Fi
Hackey and Makis Springer once he scored seven tries already,
so there's talent to burn out wide for the Crusaders.
But it's scanned to depend on who wins that battle
up front. And I can't wait tomorrow afternoon.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
It'll be a cracker.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
The results of Fijian drewer they're kind of mirrored by
the Blues or the reigning champions, And something I like
about what's happened in both of those cases is that
they've not been run over. There's been so many games,
as you've said, decided for a number of franchises in
the last five minutes. It says so much about the
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quality and the jeopardy of this competition, doesn't I think
they've got it.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
Right, Greg, Yeah, up until now that they have.
Speaker 9 (36:40):
And you know, I was talking to Michael Collins, x
CEO and exprop for the Chiefs, who's one of the
directors on Super Rugby Pacific's board, and I said, what
about the future and he said, well, let's just get
the current situation right.
Speaker 7 (36:54):
And they're pretty happy.
Speaker 9 (36:55):
With the way things are going with the eleven team competition.
But there was that blowout the Hurricanes over the Warratahs,
and while you can't say the Crewators CRUs we're blowing
off the park last week, you know they did concede
over forty points to Timuwana in christ Church, which is
never used to be heard of.
Speaker 7 (37:16):
And we've had that blowout in Perth with the Force
over the drawer.
Speaker 9 (37:21):
So maybe we might start seeing a few of the
bottom teams sort of show a few chinks in their armor.
Speaker 7 (37:28):
But so far it's been fantastic.
Speaker 9 (37:30):
And you know, the ratings are up in New Zealand
and Fiji, they're through the roof and their ratings are
up in Australia as well.
Speaker 7 (37:37):
So so far, so good.
Speaker 9 (37:39):
But let's just see what this middle part brings, because
there are so many must win games, and now if
you want to make the top six, no top eight,
as we all know anymore, top six is going to
be a lot harder. And that gap between the drawer
in eleventh and the sixth place team the Force I
believe there's about what eleven points now, I think so
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so teams cannot afford to drop too many games here
on in.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
And one last thing. Greg Clark is the voice so
Figgian Drewer off over there today, so that was at
the airport as we speak. He's going to be calling
that game between the Crusaders and Drewer. Who wins the
whole lot? Who do you like to actually run away
with the whole shooting match? Because I tell you what
that reads Chiefs game going on Tonight's a lot on
that one.
Speaker 9 (38:24):
Yeah, Well, if the finals in New Zealand. You know,
we all know that's that's just going to be so
so beneficial to the home team. I'm still leaning towards
the Chiefs, you know, I think I think the Blues
certainly have dropped a cold. The Crusaders were going along
pretty well until until last week. Hirelanders are their competitive Hurricanes.
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We don't quite know whether they've got their full act
together yet.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
That's okay, they don't either, don't worry about.
Speaker 9 (38:54):
I'm still leaning towards the Chiefs if the final is
in New Zealand. But I like the look of the
Reds and I think we're going to hear that Les
Kiss is going to be the Wallaby coach going forward,
taking over from Joe Schmidt, although Joe might stay on
as a consultant, but Lez is the one that everyone's
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got there their money on. So that's going to help
the Reds players as well, because they know that their
boss at the moment's going to be the Wallawie coach.
So they're going to play their hearts out for Les Kiss.
So a few things are in their favor. But you know,
with Damian McKenzie, he stays fit and and of course
Clayton McMillan, so his last hurrah as well before he
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goes to Ireland. I think, yeah, I'll put my money
on the Chiefs. Sorry long winded way of saying Chiefs
to win if it's a New Zealand a.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Great Clark thanks so much for your time. Make sure
you pack plenty of loose clothes, maybe the Odds singlet
and anti persprint, which I'm sure your residence over in
Fiji has plenty of. Mate, Thanks for your time.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
Okay, mate, Bullivan Arka forget.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Seven up to seven good evening. This is Sports Talk
on News Talk z B and Darcy walder Grave. It's
all sports now through un Tail eight o'clock tonight. We'll
talk a bit of cricket, we'll talk a bit of rugby,
and I'll stare aimlessly at two screens, trying my best
to keep me up today. What's going on with the
Chiefs and the Reds free practice two in Suzukah. That
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is our plan. Our two guest, Greg Clark sip Rugby
Pacific feeds Youne Drew a lead commentator. It's all happening
in suber tomorrow, the Crusaders looking back at a thrashing
from a team, looking ahead to another thrashing from another
Pacific team. We'll see Greg Clark makes of that towards
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the end of the program. Coming up shortly, Ken Rather
for It joins us formally his Zealand Test skipper, talking
about Gary Steed's last game of his black Caps coaching contract,
which is possibly tomorrow. We say possibly because nothing's confirmed
it as contract finishes right soon. What happens now where
do they go, do they stay? Do they come? Do
they go? Has he been good? Bad and different? What
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about the way he's dealt with the lay of the
land and cricket over the last few years, which has
been quite complex. We'll talk all about that with Ken
rather than shortly. Ken, who I'm informed as the new
CEO of Northern Districts Cricket. It's shot off to the
West Island for a while there. Now he finds himself back,
(01:55):
I'm sure he'll be claiming the plunket hield from last week. Ken,
you werein CEO then, okay, just cool your jets, that's
our plan. Take your calls on New Zealand trying to
resign Gary Stead looking at someone fresh? Do they split
between the formats and somebody has just come a hellicropper,
(02:18):
Sorry to slow the strip down. Now that is one
chopped up race car trying to determine which car is
it's Jack doing in the lpene and he has crunched
that into the side. I think he's okay. There's a
craneier coming to drad the car off the side of
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the corner. Look, let's hope he's okay. Zach Carr is
in a right state anyway, we'll go back to that
red flag at P two shortly before that, though, Let's
do this sport today and in sport today. Sean Stevenson
sits up tonight for the Chiefs to become another one
of the crew to notch up a tatter caps for
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the franchise. He's stoked. He's also feeling a bit mature.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Let alone to play, to play fifty, but to get
to one hundred that this means a will to myself,
my family as well.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
I was looking at the wall.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
I think I only haven't played with one another player
on that list, so makes me feel old looking back.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Much too. Principal Christian Horner's delight new number two drive
before the Red Bull team Yuki Sada. Is it a
good season him? Free practice and well done to it?
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Certainly a good start for Yuki, settling into the car
pretty well. Obviously quite a different feel probably to what
he's what he's used to. But I thought he he
settled then he gave very good feedback.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
It's not stroke play. Bar lydy Co thinks she'll bounce
back tomorrow after a pretty average start to the Las
Vegas LPGA match play events. It's a different mindset, but
you know, I'm proud to be a US Woman's ZAM champion,
so I don't feel like I'm too shabby at.
Speaker 7 (03:56):
Match plays either. But he's going to be a fun game.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And just saying doing us out of the car. He's
being assisted, but he's got all of his limbs and
he appears to be walking recently come to this. That's
great news there for the Ossie. You should watch some
of that LBJ match Play's really good. Tragically, I was
watching more sport last night because I can't help myself,
and there are some fantastic golf being played in that
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so subtle, so direct, that's super cool. Anyway, Olidia co
plays the Spaniard carlottas Saganda tomorrow and Shiko Gialdez is
out for the season with a miniscous issue, but Phoenix
coach Gan Carlo Taliano likes to believe that he'll be back.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
It'd be a great addition not only to our team
but to the A League in general. You can see
what kind of skill he has, you know, it's a
great triple over the ball, very composing the.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Ball, and that's sport today. Moving on now too, Keen
rather than forming New Zealand's a test captain. It joins
us now to look at the tenure of Gary Stead,
what it's done, should it move on? So on and
so forth. He joins us.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Now, good evening, kend always a plea mate.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Great to have you on board. As we look at
the career, whether it's ended or not, not entirely sure,
but tomorrow, I suppose effectually marks the last game in
charge for Gary Stead. I suppose first question is when
you look back at his career, where does he sit?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Look he's done well. I'm sure his achievements will stand
the test of scrutiny, Darcy, won't they? And I think
over the last couple of years when you look at
the way cricket has involved at that level, and the
fact that like trend Bolt and others have decided to
sort of taken more independent route around contracts and stuff
like that, the fact that Steed Stead and his cohorts
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will be able to retain a really strong performance with
a lot of new players coming and going. Darcy, I
think that's probably been a really testing kind of twelve
to twenty four months instead the last couple of years,
and he's come through looking pretty good. I mean this
Pakistan series is probably a fair indication of the length
and depth that all sudden New Zealand cricket does seem
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to possess.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
It has to be very flexible as a coach in
this brave new world because of the decisions that New
Zealand cricket keep making. And they are sensible ones to
keep up with the play with franchise cricket. But if
they haven't got a coach who understands and buys in,
there's no point is there. So plainly he's been part
and party to this advance and of the.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Course you spot on and I think what you've seen
the way international cricket evolve over the last two years
is probably going to be nothing to the way it
might continue to evolve over the next two to three
to five years. See I think Cerlly and reading between
the lines, and I think Cam Williamson was quite a
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during the week. We might see international cricket similar to
international soccer international football, given windows where international games are
played around club competitions or in cricket's case, the franchise
competitions that are happening around the world with ever increasing frequency.
So you're right for administrators. It's about being flexible, agile,
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pretty pretty up to date sort of words, modern words
those Darcy.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I'm still young, ken give me a break. Only in
the fifties exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
An instances of example of a current cricket coach at
international level who does have to be, you know, to
have a malleable approach Darcy.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
One of the hallmarks of his career you probably said
the same when he was opening the batting and tweaking
as well, is that he's a very calm individual and
I think seems to ruffle his feathers. He doesn't overreact
or underreact. That is what he is, and I think
having a hand on the tiller like that in cricket
especially is goal for the team because you can have
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rotten matches and rotten series. But it never seems to
bother him.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
No, it doesn't, because he's got a fairly implacable kind
of demeanor, isn't He just just gets on with things
and doesn't seem to suffer from the ups and downs
that volatile characters may may suffer from. Look, I think
he's been helped by a very strong, experienced corp of
players over the full tenure of US as a time
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of New Zealand coach Darcy. He's had a number of
wealth New Zealand greats to draw on, hasn't it, really,
And and I think he's given them the reins to
kind of run the side to some extent, to a
large extends. And it's not really the way it was
back and back in my day. But potentially when the
coach kind of took control and you know, Boba Kunis
was out there with the warm ups and was telling
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you what to do and you know, hollering out orders.
That's not the modern day a way. I think it's
the modern day coaching ways to very much put the
responsibility for a large part of the team's fortunes in
the hand of the in the hands of the players myselves,
and instead's been pretty good at delegating that.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
It might be the end of an era when it
comes to a coach who actually coaches three different varieties
of the game. He's had succeeds twenty semi final time,
sorry final time. He's had success with that dreaded One
Day International against England back in the day, and of
course in the World Test Championship. And he's still doing
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all three now. That is unusual.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
It is unusual and in the same way that we're
seeing the players kind of become specialized in one or
two of the other three codes of the game, if
you like. I think we're seeing the coaches as well
be very selective in terms of their areas of expertise.
And look, we don't really know, do we instead is
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going to look to continue in some capacity or not.
But I think what we are pretty sure of is
that there will be a more multiple look to the
coaching staff at New Zealand Cricket than perhaps has been
in the past. You might have an overarching manager of
the coaches if you like, but I think the twos
of personnel on the ground t twenties fifty over or
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test matches. You're going to see a group of coaches
around the ones that are taken center stage.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
When you talk about being malleable, and this is something
New Zealand Cricket can to proven they can do so
to give someone the role as director of cricket, for example,
over all three it wouldn't be a surprise. You talked
about consistency in selection and this goes with the players.
It now also goes with the coaching of the side.
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There very much is a line that has followed. I'd
expect with this the succession plan is probably in place.
That's what's been happening recently. Is that still the right
way to go? Do you think?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I think it probably is. I think, you know, it's
a good kind of a source of encouragement for young
coaches coming through our system, the New Zealand cricket system,
in the same way that for a young player to
play for the Black Caps or for the White Ferns,
it's nice to play provincial cricket knowing that perhaps you've
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got a chance of playing international cricket one day, And
for our coaches it should have followed that that's the
same kind of encouragement and motivation that they are receiving.
So I think it sounds a really good signal out
to the likes of Peter Forden could be on the
short list, couldn't he? Just as one example, b J
Whittling could even be on the shortlist having just won
the Plunket Shield for Northern Districts and those guys, I'm
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sure we'll be in discussions and they deserve to be,
and I think it sends a good signal out. And
I think the other fact we have to be conscious of,
Darcy is that for a lot of the top class
international coaches now, they've already got gigs around the world,
haven't they. So internationally wise, who you're going to get
that is going to be any better than what we've
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got currently here in our shores.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Well, you look at Luke Ronke, who's obviously played at
the highest level for the black Cats, and he's been
there or thereabouts for quite some time, so almost seamless.
Should they give him the nod?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Well, it's a it's a really good name that you've raised,
the Eluke and he's been involved. Look, it wasn't so
long ago. He was a member of the playing team
under Bretta McCullum and Mike Hessen. Hadn't seen too many
heinikens a go quite frankly does. But you know he's
been engaged in the game. He's well regarded and knows
very well regarded by his players. So he could easily
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step up now, whether he wants to do as we
spoke in a few moments ago, whether he wants to
do the whole three codes or not, he probably could.
He's capable of doing I'm sure, but I'm pretty sure
he's got a young family and other things going on
in his life, so he might, you know, they might
piece off the T twenties for him and to do
and he gets something else involved in the tests in
the fifty over game. Who knows, but he's certainly going
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to be a name who's going to be the top
of considerations.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You'd like to think. So another way this works really well.
Gary Stead. He came under the pump but a criticism
when he had pre planned time off like I'm going
on holiday now, it doesn't matter what's going on. It
happened to coincide with the pretty dreadful time for New
Zealand cricket and he stood by his guns. I mean, no,
I need this. And he's given other coaches on New
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Zealand Cricket I have over the years time to actually
run the show, time to be the coach of the time.
So that's really helped give these guys the confidence and
the energy as he stood down and said, you have
a cracket, so they're easing it in.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah, And look, I was probably one of those of
the time when because I do recall that and I
may been asked by someone like yourself to speak on
air about Darcy and I was probably of a more
prehistoric view, but the modern day way is very much
it's not just about the results, it's about, you know,
looking after people in their well being, et cetera. So
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it's good that he did stick to his guns at
the time and their New Zealand crek were fully supportive
of them. It's it's the way we are now in
terms of looking after folk, and it's the way it
should be.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
And it's helped with the guys who took the reins
while he was having a rent because they understand what
it's like at that top level. So it all works
really well. He's not retired yet. I hate to say
he's going to walk away, because I've got a feeling
he might stick around for a while. I know what
the one highlight of his career that I'll look back on.
Have you got the same?
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Will that be the test chairmanship? Would it be?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Come on?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Can?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Of course? It would be have to be?
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Would it have to be? Look he said, But that's
only the one highlight. I mean, I think when I'm
going to look back if he does, if he doesn't continue,
we you know, We've probably been presumptuous here, Darcy and
looking back at some of the memories, but I really
do think he's done well to just to keep the
ship going a good direction, a good strong direction, and
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he's blooded a lot of the good players, the players
who have turned out to be really good critters for
New Zealand. And the momentum is there. It's been guarded
over a period since Ben McCallum probably took over in
twenty thirteen with Mike Heessen, and there's been very few
dips over the last twelve years and his ogn cricket.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And if there have been, I'm not even able to
talk about it because here has been so many bumps
up and that's the nature of international cricket. Mate, you
can't win everything. As you well know, Ken, love talking
cricket you mate, Thanks so much for joining us here
on ZB.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Have a good one, Darcy. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
The right call is your call on eight hundred eighty
eighty Sports Talk call on your home of Sports News
Talk ZB.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Keen ruther than there form our black Caps skipper, Actually
hold on. I don't even think they will call the
black Caps way back there. Sorry, Keen feels, but it's
true that he's now the CEO of Northern Districts Cricket Ibe.
He keeps talking to us on air. You might get
muzzled by the bosses. I needs the CEO. Can he
muzzle himself? Highly likely? Interesting thoughts around what happens next
(15:52):
to Gary Stead to the New Zealand coaching vacancy if
it does arise, and in what format there's so many
of them, well three at last count. We're going to
take your calls on that shortly, but before any of
the let's take away listen to happenings over the last
ten minutes. Luke Jacobson went and did this to the Reds.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
The Chiefs they're a meter out, they're right under the posts.
We've done a minute, two minutes now the Chiefs half
a meter out Jacobson's clothes.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
He gets driven back to pry.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Yeah, great try look Jacobson, I thinks got the ball
over Jacobson. After three minutes.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
He scores the try this one Son seven that Zep
Mackenzie converted that seventeen gone seven place nought. That's Chiefs
over the Reds and Hamilton and free practice two. It
had kind of only just really gone underway and this happened.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Let's have a look now we can see riding on
boards and actually said sharp sharp descent down.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
Towards to well.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Watching that outside left will or was it the rear
that tipped into.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
The grass that's heavy?
Speaker 8 (17:06):
Didn't From this angle, it didn't look like he did
dip the left rear wheel. Maybe we'll see a better
angle here. I didn't actually catch whether you had the
RS open or not. Crofty there did did you spot it?
I was looking for the wheel.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
No, the same as yourself.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I'm a throw demo.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
But that did let go into incredibly quick. I would
not have expected that.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Are you are okay? I'm okay, Yeah, what happened?
Speaker 7 (17:35):
We're just looking at everything on our side here.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Hey, you ricked? You wrecked? Your can't that's what? But
it might not have been you. Look, I can't listen
to any of the calms from if one land. As
soon as I know what happened, I wud let you know.
That was straight into turn one and fear moving, no doubt.
And I suppose jack doing is lucky that the driver,
sorry the cock put These guys find themselves in They
(18:00):
explode essentially upon context, so it looks dramatic when they
hit the wall's bits fly off them left, right and center,
but that just basically absorbs all the energy of the
crash so the driver doesn't have to It looks spectacular,
but it is safe. We'll save as you can get
when it comes to crashing a car at over two
(18:21):
hundred miles per hour. It's twenty five minutes after seven.
It's the sports talk on News Talk BB and the
Reds have just scored. In the twentieth minute. They've rolled over.
Matt Fessler has scored for himself a meat pie. Just
looking at a quick replay there. They've pulled it off
(18:42):
a line out have the Reds about five meters from
the line. There's a rolling mall and they're just basically
bushed right the way through the Chiefs and that is
reasonably easy going. The Chiefs will be a little dark
on that the way they managed to get hammered up front,
but hey, that's the Reds. That's the update there for it. Anyway,
coming up shortly your calls, my thoughts. We're talking cricket
(19:04):
Gary Stead who next does he even leave eight hundred
eighty ten.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Eighty He need the TMO. We've got the breakdown on
Sports Talk Call News Talk.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Twenty third chis Reds Chiefs still with the slender lead.
Seven five are over the Reds and we will resume
free practice in Suzuka sooner rather than later. We'd like
to think the cars are all lined up now we're
going to crawl back onto the track after that great
big off from Jack Diwan in the LPN earlier on
(20:00):
in the piece. So the contract finishes. Remember he got
re signed again a couple of years ago, and there's
a bit of gnashing of teeth around there whether that
was the smart thing to do from New Zealand cricket.
If you look at his results as a whole, he's
been very successful. Arguably the most successful coach in New
(20:21):
Zealand history. He's done very very well. Yeah, only the
one big dance he's come home with and that's the
World Test Championship, but had finals in T twenty hit
finals in World Cups as well. I think the most
important thing about Gary Steeden mentioned this well, I was
Jordan de Ken Rutherford there is that it's been such
(20:44):
a tumultuous time in world cricket over the last few years,
and he used the word nimble. New Zealand Cricket under
the guidance of Scott Weening, the new CEO, they've also
been very nimble, some would suggest maybe too lenients or
two pliant when it comes to dealing with the wants
and the needs of the cricketers. With that this ever
(21:05):
changing global situation we find ourselves and with the dominance
of the T twenty franchise game. So for Gary Stead
to be able to control the players, look after the players,
coach the players during this time of uncertainty, and most
importantly roll some of these young guys through. We know
(21:29):
we complain vociferously about the quality of some of the
teams because the best players aren't there, but all of
us may he that's being done now, I'm convinced will
turn up Trumps Trump's in a good way. Sorry, we'll
turn up Trump's eventually for New Zealand cricket. So much
experience now through the departure of others, for the riches
(21:54):
of T twenty competitions. I think Gary Stead also needs
a pad on the back for that. So where to now?
It's been what seven years as a long time and
he's been running all three formats one day is the
twenties test cricket. Does he need a cup of tea
(22:14):
and a lie down? Is it time for the baton
to be handed on to the next cab. Gary's going
to make his mind up, and I'd suggest with the
success that he had, that's his decision. He wants to
call time, He can call time if he goes. You
know what, are you gonna get another couple of years
of me? Let him go for me? Let him go.
(22:38):
He's fine. Some people don't agree with me, and I'm
sure you'll ring through. Oh eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty a text nineteen ninety two. I'll never forgive
Stared as coach because he held on to Southey for
way too long. So our younger guys who are playing
now would have been much more experienced if they had
(22:59):
had that time. That was always a delicate balance, wasn't it.
How to exit southe stage left? I think credit to Tim.
He realized the writing was on the wall, thought it's
like spray paint, was like a ten meter high wall,
and he went, I can't do this, Captaincy anymore. Ex Hel,
I'm out. So maybe Stead could have been a little
(23:21):
more forceful. But we're talking one of the game's greats,
aren't we in New Zealand cricket. So you understand that
the kid gloves with which that had to be handled.
So if he wants to carry on, great, If he doesn't,
the beauty here is there are a number of different
coaches who could slide into that role. We like a
(23:44):
situation We've seen it in rugby where there is a
succession plan in place and if you run by that,
fery Luke Ronke should roll straight into the role. But
as Ken pointed out, you got bj Watling doing good
things with Northern Peter Fulton playing well. You got Milan
(24:08):
remember he was up for the role seven eight years
ago when Gary Stead got the role and he disappeared
Milan he went off overseas to Ireland to get some
international experience, hoping for the time he could come back
and get the job done. No one of my colleagues
in the office, Alex Powell beats the drum all the
(24:31):
time for Jason Gillispie, thinks he has all that there's
another character in the gun. I think the choices are good.
We're not going to attempt back some of the big
guns like McCullum from Britain and Flamingham the Tory from
their various roles because something you haven't got the money,
(24:51):
but to fold in, maybe even to fold in a
wrong key. F Stead keeps the role through the Zimbabwe
tour coming up in a couple of months. That might
be the best way to do it. But one thing
I am firm on. They need many coaches across many disciplines.
(25:14):
I think it's laudable the way that Gary Stead has
controlled three teams from the exterior. That is tough and
for all tens and purposes. He's done a very good job.
But I think it's time to move forward New Zealand
Cricket to identify coaches, to give them roles and to
(25:35):
settle them into roles, even if it's just red bull
white ball. I think time now that New Zealand Cricket
make that decision as they ease Gary out, providing he
wants to go, before easing the next couple of contenders
in well Mars is not happy. I think Sky is
going a bit pair shape because of where the sun
(25:57):
is at the moment. He can't get hold of practice too.
I'll keep you up to date the Chiefs better penalty
is now ten five after half an hour of that
super Rugby Pacific game. I'll let you know when the
race car start again soon and shortly we're going to
Greg Clark, Clerky and Draw's chief commentator. What a job
(26:21):
whip over to the islands every couple of weeks and
comminate a game of rugby. Old bugger Claggie joins us
shortly as we take a look at that game the
Crusaders against and Drawer one thrashing from a bunch of
Pacific Islanders to another sports talk. Not another red flag
(27:07):
Fernando Alonso. This time he's run out of talent and
stuck it in the kitty litter and the things bogged down.
They got drag it out with a crane, so everyone's
back twiddling their thumbs again. A free practice. Too sex
to go in the rugby for the first half anyway,
Chiefs leading at Red's ten to five. A couple of
(27:27):
quick texts before we catch up with Greg Clark talking
super Rugby Pacific Darcy. I think Stead has been carried
by the player set available to him and the culture
set prior by Hessen and McCullum. You know, Wagner's book
is quite enlightening on this. The leadership group has carried
things in my opinion, Sam, thanks for your text, Darcy.
(27:49):
How about Shane Jurgenson approven assistant coach Bed Willing to
domestic titles and the bowling coach in Bangladesh also head
coaching roles Scotland, Fiji and plenty of times with the
Black Caps. Jugnan, I love talking to Shang's your laughs
all the time. That's just too much fun for him.
And again another fine prospect and interesting on that previous
(28:11):
text from Sam around picking up the culture set prior. Well,
if he's picked it up, it's been seven eight years,
there's a number of changes in that team and a
number of new players have been drafted into great success.
So whatever he packed up, he's run with it and
he's done it very very well. So I think it's
too far in the past to look back and go
(28:33):
he's just riding on the coattails of those two former coaches.
I don't think that is the case anyway. This is
in News Talks ab It is nineteen minutes to eight
susy Now to catch up with Greg Clark's Super Rugby
Pacific Fijian drew a league lead excuse me, lead commentator,
(28:56):
as we look toward the fun and games when the
Crusaders play and Drawer.
Speaker 7 (29:04):
Good evening, Greg, good evening. How are you going very well?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Probably not quite at your level because you're going to
be in Fiji before you know it, calling as you
do habitually Fiji and Drawer taking on the Crusaders. This
is a dog of an away match for the Crusaders,
isn't it, greed.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
Well, Darsi is a dog of an away match for
all teams.
Speaker 9 (29:27):
As we've seen over the last few years, terrible conditions
for visiting teams because not only do you have that
passionate crowd in your ear for not just the eighty minutes,
but for the warm up and everything else. They just
get into it from the moment they sit down on
the grass or in the stands.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
And also.
Speaker 9 (29:48):
If it's thirty degrees in Latoka or suber, it feels
like it's going to be forty degrees in the middle
of the park. So tough conditions, but you know, I
think they've been a great addition to Superbi Pacific, the
Drawer and also.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
Mowana, so most players don't complain about it. They have
to get out of the middle.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
But everyone enjoys a trip to Fiji, and including the
fans does it because it's now a bucket list trip.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
I would say, so I was just about to chime
in with exactly that I feel now I have to
follow the Crusaders over there at some stage to watch.
I mean being to Fiji on holiday we all have
and when you're outside of the North Auckland district of
dinner because that's what it is, and you're actually watching
the rugby for the school kids, it's just fantastic to watch.
(30:35):
These are such skilled athletes.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
They certainly are.
Speaker 9 (30:38):
And you know the Chiefs, even though they lost last
time that they had I reckon there was at least
one hundred fans that made their way over there. I
know Aaron Cruden was there with a group of either
sponsors for the Chiefs or anyway.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
He was on a bit of a junket and he
was enjoying himself in the crowd. And the fans just.
Speaker 9 (30:59):
Love it because it's very unique. And I know it's
easy for the drawer to call their fans the best
fan in the world. But no matter where you go,
Hong Kong Seven's for example. You know, there are just
Fijians in the crowd everywhere you.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
Go around the world, so they love their rugby. It
is a religion to them.
Speaker 9 (31:18):
And you know, I just love calling the games there
because it's it's just fantastic win, lose or draw.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
You know, everyone has a great day at the rugby
and Fiji well that's all well.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
And good, but let's look at the elephant of the room.
They haven't been winning and this is something that will
be of utmost embarrassment to them, to the players, to
the management. They've got everything there, they just can't quite
get it over the line. What's lacking do you think
in the Fijian drawer?
Speaker 7 (31:47):
Well, it's twofold.
Speaker 9 (31:48):
First of all, they can't win on the road and
mc burn couldn't work it out any three years.
Speaker 7 (31:54):
Glenn Jackson hasn't been able to work it out so far.
It really is a mind boggling thing.
Speaker 9 (32:02):
The fact that they can win it at home, they
can be competitive at home, and then I'll go to
a Western force in Perth and get an absolute shell acking.
And you've got to remember that they won one from
their six games so far, which is not good. Enough,
but in three of the losses they were in front
with five minutes to go and they just haven't been
able to close it out.
Speaker 7 (32:21):
They should have beaten the Brumbies in week one.
Speaker 9 (32:23):
They have should have beaten the Hurricanes, could have should
have beaten the Waratahs, and they were competitive. It was
nil all after twenty minutes against the Brumbies and while
they lost by sixteen or seventeen in camera, Glen Jackson.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
Thought that he had them right, he had them prime
to finally win.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
In Perth and they as you know, they were down
by I think thirty three points Daniel before halftime.
Speaker 7 (32:46):
So that's the first age. They can't win on the
road and.
Speaker 9 (32:49):
That has to change before they're going to be a
genuine contender at home. Well, they just grow another leg,
I just know. And I've been talking to coaches and
officials this week in Fiji and they've responded to that.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
The hiding they copped in Perth, and they're rare and
to go. They came back a couple of days early
in the bye week.
Speaker 9 (33:11):
They've been bashing each other at training, so you will
have a look tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (33:15):
They'll be fired up, no doubt about that.
Speaker 9 (33:17):
So The key for the Crusaders is to take the
crowd out of it, to score early and to slow
the game down.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
They're still licking their wounds from their last Pacific encounter.
No one saw that coming, and you mentioned that they
can't close games out. Mowana had the problem that they
were great for forty, they were great for sixty, but
there was a twenty minute period in there where it
all fell apart. Not last week, they learned how to
win and they did it against arguably the best. So
(33:44):
what do the Crusaders take out of that and try
and apply to feed g Because they're bitten.
Speaker 9 (33:50):
That's right, they'll be hurting. And I was saying, you
do draw a head coach Glenn Jackson during the week
and he said the Crusaders didn't do them. Oh sorry,
the Moana didn't do them any favors by beating the Crusaders,
so they'll be fired up for this one.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
They'll be hurting. But on the other hand, the Mohana
also the Fiji and drew out how to beat the Crusaders,
and that is you must win the collision up front.
So it's going to be brutal. So that pact that
rob penny is starting with. For the Crusaders, they really
have to front up from the get go. If the
draw it forwards, get on a little bit of a roll, win.
Speaker 9 (34:24):
The early collisions and the crowd gets involved, it's going
to be a long afternoon for the Crusaders. Teams that
have beaten the Drewer in recent years go back to
the Blues a couple of years ago and the Hurricanes
the last year. They slow it down, they don't get
involved in the Fiji drewer style of play. If you
would get out there and think you can throw the
(34:46):
ball around in those conditions as well as the drawer,
well you're dreaming. So you walk to every line out,
you walk to every scrum you've been down, and if you're.
Speaker 7 (34:54):
A prop and you do up your bootlacers at every scrum.
Speaker 9 (34:57):
You just slow it down as much as possible and
you get your kicking game right. You've got to play
it at the other end and you invite the drawer
to score from the territory and sometimes at home.
Speaker 7 (35:08):
They do that, well, they do it regularly, but you
know they're not going to do it every time you
kick it down into their twenty two.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
So you've got to be smart and I'm sure Rob
Penny has had a look at the last two years
the Crusaders have been to Toka.
Speaker 7 (35:21):
They've lost both of those games.
Speaker 9 (35:23):
Last year they didn't score a point in the second half,
you'll recall, and of course Mowana showed a few chinks
in the Crusader's armor last week.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
In christ Church.
Speaker 9 (35:34):
So yeah, it's going to be very interesting. But it's
the battle up front that's where it's going to be one. Obviously,
both teams have got talent to burn in the back line.
It's going to be interesting to see how sever Roos
plays at thirteen. I read that he had played there
before moving to Canterbury, but this is going to be
a debut at super rugby level for Sebu and the
(35:54):
thirteen Jersey. Obviously there's Jordan at the back end, Fi
Hackey and Makis Springer once he scored seven tries already,
so there's talent to burn out wide for the Crusaders.
But it's scanned to depend on who wins that battle
up front. And I can't wait tomorrow afternoon.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
It'll be a cracker.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
The results of Fijian drewer they're kind of mirrored by
the Blues or the reigning champions, And something I like
about what's happened in both of those cases is that
they've not been run over. There's been so many games,
as you've said, decided for a number of franchises in
the last five minutes. It says so much about the
(36:32):
quality and the jeopardy of this competition, doesn't I think
they've got it.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
Right, Greg, Yeah, up until now that they have.
Speaker 9 (36:40):
And you know, I was talking to Michael Collins, x
CEO and exprop for the Chiefs, who's one of the
directors on Super Rugby Pacific's board, and I said, what
about the future and he said, well, let's just get
the current situation right.
Speaker 7 (36:54):
And they're pretty happy.
Speaker 9 (36:55):
With the way things are going with the eleven team competition.
But there was that blowout the Hurricanes over the Warratahs,
and while you can't say the Crewators CRUs we're blowing
off the park last week, you know they did concede
over forty points to Timuwana in christ Church, which is
never used to be heard of.
Speaker 7 (37:16):
And we've had that blowout in Perth with the Force
over the drawer.
Speaker 9 (37:21):
So maybe we might start seeing a few of the
bottom teams sort of show a few chinks in their armor.
Speaker 7 (37:28):
But so far it's been fantastic.
Speaker 9 (37:30):
And you know, the ratings are up in New Zealand
and Fiji, they're through the roof and their ratings are
up in Australia as well.
Speaker 7 (37:37):
So so far, so good.
Speaker 9 (37:39):
But let's just see what this middle part brings, because
there are so many must win games, and now if
you want to make the top six, no top eight,
as we all know anymore, top six is going to
be a lot harder. And that gap between the drawer
in eleventh and the sixth place team the Force I
believe there's about what eleven points now, I think so
(38:01):
so teams cannot afford to drop too many games here
on in.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
And one last thing. Greg Clark is the voice so
Figgian Drewer off over there today, so that was at
the airport as we speak. He's going to be calling
that game between the Crusaders and Drewer. Who wins the
whole lot? Who do you like to actually run away
with the whole shooting match? Because I tell you what
that reads Chiefs game going on Tonight's a lot on
that one.
Speaker 9 (38:24):
Yeah, Well, if the finals in New Zealand. You know,
we all know that's that's just going to be so
so beneficial to the home team. I'm still leaning towards
the Chiefs, you know, I think I think the Blues
certainly have dropped a cold. The Crusaders were going along
pretty well until until last week. Hirelanders are their competitive Hurricanes.
(38:47):
We don't quite know whether they've got their full act
together yet.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
That's okay, they don't either, don't worry about.
Speaker 9 (38:54):
I'm still leaning towards the Chiefs if the final is
in New Zealand. But I like the look of the
Reds and I think we're going to hear that Les
Kiss is going to be the Wallaby coach going forward,
taking over from Joe Schmidt, although Joe might stay on
as a consultant, but Lez is the one that everyone's
(39:15):
got there their money on. So that's going to help
the Reds players as well, because they know that their
boss at the moment's going to be the Wallawie coach.
So they're going to play their hearts out for Les Kiss.
So a few things are in their favor. But you know,
with Damian McKenzie, he stays fit and and of course
Clayton McMillan, so his last hurrah as well before he
(39:35):
goes to Ireland. I think, yeah, I'll put my money
on the Chiefs. Sorry long winded way of saying Chiefs
to win if it's a New Zealand a.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Great Clark thanks so much for your time. Make sure
you pack plenty of loose clothes, maybe the Odds singlet
and anti persprint, which I'm sure your residence over in
Fiji has plenty of. Mate, Thanks for your time.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
Okay, mate, Bullivan Arka forget.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
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