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Rugby commentator Tony Johnson on whether it's ok to swear in a post-match interview.
Talkback on swearing.
Former Silver Ferns captain Anna Stanley on whether Netball NZ should allow Grace Nweke to be eligible for Silver Ferns selection while she's playing in Australia.
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net ball. Don't be talking about Grace Wacky and what
to do with a silver fern who flew the coop
and landed in Sydney town. Scept her and say come
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on back with open arms. You're a freak, so we
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and later on in the peaks. First up, they were
going to go to Tony Johnson. Really cool story, you
would have heard about it on Heather's program, talking about
the infiltration of the f bomb into television sporting productions
and how acceptable it is, it isn't how far it
(03:00):
goes on, how long it goes on, what we can
do and do you find it offensive? Tony Johnson was
the man in the mic when Jerry Collins dropped the
bomb after an Argentine test match two thousand and six.
Oh he was there. He wasn't there back when Peter
Jones said, I'm buggered because that's nineteen fifty six. I'm
(03:22):
pretty sure Tony wasn't born then. As veteran a broadcast
through as he's not that much of a veteran. But
he joins us shortly to discuss that, and the prevalence
of the bomb and the relevance of the bomb, and
whose fault is it? Do we care? Is it an issue?
The list goes on. I'm trying all that at you.
After we speak with Tony Johnson, who joins us next.
(03:44):
All right, I think we should carry on, or we
normally do, of an evening like this, and that you
were the sports stick. He's a sports stick for here's
a slice of athletic words, not actions. Sam Darry from
the Blues has committed to his interrubive three more years
(04:05):
the sixteen Lockers on Board to the end of twenty
twenty eight. He's been all busted up recently and spending
some time rehabbing, as well as considering the wise words
of fellow locke Luke Romano, who stated, the obvious.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Hasn't grown a heap in the last three months, and
I think now, but before that massively, I think this
confidence was a massive thing for me. Luke Romano was
really big for me. He always used to say to
me that one day I'll realize how big I am
and it will kind of unlock a lot of a
lot of things there with my game.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
How big you are unlock if you'll just let that go.
Eight time Olympic gold medalist Dame at Lisa Carrington is
takeing a year off the grind of competitive international paddling,
but she has plenty to keep her occupied, like deep
diving basketball, and now that she's invested in the Northern Kahu,
a team that is part of Sales Women's League the
(04:55):
Towee Heat League, We've.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Got a bit of time to kind of get things
in order and yeah, learn from here. It's super exciting.
I think, you know, basketball in New Zealand is a
drowing sport and another way to get right into behind
in sport.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
What happened to the Panthers? Has that gone away? The
story now started death over the weekend the Champions League
see me between inter Milan and Barthalona is being hailed
as the greatest tie in Champions League history. The Italians
one seven six on aggregate after winning four three. It's
sint zero and to keep a yarn. Summer was named
(05:31):
player of the match and he is bouncing as much
as he can. He is bouncing for the final against
PSV einhoven Or Arsenal.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
I'm really happy with the with the team, how we
played this game, because it was it was tough, it
was difficult. We had some really difficult situation in this game,
but we keep on believing till the end.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
That's him really happy. Who wouldn't like him on a
bad day. And the Tall Blacks are looking down the
barrel of three quick turnaround tests against the Boomers over
in Australia. That's the night old score Rubin Tarangi I
thinks he's not at the forefront of dealing with three
games in five days, but the young bucks on the
boards will be.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
Sweet ass for me.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Obviously, the quick turnaround's a little bit older now.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
Body takes a little bit long to recover, but I
think that might be a blessing in disguise, having a
bit of a younger team and some boys they can
get after it for three straight games.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
And that's sports today, right, Let's talk pottymouth TV. Not
necessarily from the presenters. I probably leaned into that a
couple of times myself. Back in the day, the station
I worked with was reckless. We could pretty much do
what we wanted. It's changed a bit now, but the
people being interviewed and the slippage of the F bomb
(06:50):
has been coming to focus us. Sarah hidden, he dropped
one after her team beat up on Australia and won
the sevens over in Los Angeles. So a man who's
been there, right at the forefront of it is Tony Johnson.
He's going to tell us all about that and the limitations,
the requirements, and I suppose the capacity for us to
(07:12):
forgive if someone says oho that nearly came out. Good evening.
Tony Johnson, Hello, Darcy, you've been around.
Speaker 9 (07:20):
I was going to say, how the something right are you?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Thanks? Mate, Let's not do it now, but that's the
discussion point. Look, I don't want to say that you're
a veteran, but you're a veteran. You've been around broadcasting
for a long long time. You would have been there
when if you uttered the word bugger. I mean, we're
not talking quite Peter Jones days now, But that was
a bit of a stretch this day and age, and
Gregor Paul wrote a piece about it. Today it appears
(07:46):
like it's open slaver. It's changed im minstly in the
last what forty years.
Speaker 7 (07:50):
Hasn't it.
Speaker 9 (07:51):
Oh, the boundaries certainly have changed. I mean you used
the word bugger. Well, of course, you know, famously Toyota
did a commercial. But back in the day, I think
the first time that ever came onto the screen, oh sorry,
under the sound waves, would have been nineteen fifty six
when Peter Jones, after he scored that try that beat
the spring box at Eton Park, famously got on the
(08:12):
microphone that it was, you know, to the crowd and
to the nation and said, well, ladies and gentlemen, I
hope I never play another game like that. I'm absolutely buggered.
And that was caused a bit of a sensation, I mean,
because the country was in such a state of euphoria
about beating the spring box nothing else really mattered. But
of course, nowadays, you know, it is a lot different,
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just in terms of you know, how often you hear
words that once upon a time would have caused outrage
being used. And I suppose it's just a question as
really is where are the lines drawn now.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
When you're broadcasting the right here and right now? And
we talk about broadcasting standards and we know they can
sometimes come down in like a ton of bricks, But
what instruction are you wonder regards the language you're allowed
to use? Not that you would do that because you're
an old school broadcast. It actually understands the beauty thinglish language,
(09:05):
But what you and what about the players who are interviewing?
What sits over there? Is there anything in place?
Speaker 9 (09:10):
Well, I've never ever been spoken to about it. I
don't think anyone ever needed to speak to us about it.
Was just accepted that if you are broadcasting, if you
are a commentator or a presenter, then you just don't
use any words that will cause offense. I mean, I
was involved in a very infamous or famous moment back
(09:33):
in two thousand and six, and I'm sure people will
remember it. I think it might have been mentioned in
the story in the Herald where I was in Argentina,
Buenos Aires and the captain of the day was Jerry
Collins and the All Blacks had beaten Argentina, they hadn't
played particularly well. I think they went there with about
a three score a three quarter strength team. The idea
(09:55):
being that it was a little thank you for the
vote that Argentina gave a New Zealand support for the
allocation of the twenty eleven Rugby World Cup. Anyway, I
interviewed Jerry at the end of the game and eventually
we managed to track him down and he wandered over
and he acknowledged that they hadn't played very well and
he said, I suppose people at home won't be too
(10:16):
happy about that, but who gives us insert the word?
And that caused quite a commotion, I think because it
was Jerry Collins, because it was a bit of a
one off I suppose seen as a bit of a
slip of the tongue or whatever. Yeah, there was a
commotion about it. I don't know how many people were
actually offended by it, but that was to say, that
was Jerry, that was something that was said in the moment.
(10:39):
I think it's when it starts to become more common usage.
That's when people will start drawing lines about what really
is acceptable and also just remind people that they are
seen as role models, if you like, and that there
are young people that will be influenced by their conduct.
(11:03):
And also that if you're trying to grow the game,
you're trying to grow it in parts of the world
where maybe that sort of language is simply is not accepted.
And so I think players are broadcasters whoever have to
be mindful of that and what you know, Okay, there's
the odd slip of the tongue, but I mean, be
careful perhaps next time not to let that word come
(11:25):
out when the tongue slips.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
When broadcasters and will go to sky they get people
on the field straight after the game and the hubbub
of the game and the sweat and the stress, and
put a microphone in players' faces. Do you think that
not encourages but gives maybe open slather because of the
heat of the moment. These guys are well I use
a jonessm. They're bugger things slip out? Are they bringing
(11:49):
on themselves? The broadcasters?
Speaker 9 (11:51):
Oh yeah, Look, I understand what you're saying there, and
you know, it's something that we have to be mindful
of that when you are interviewing people in the heat
of the moment or under exhaustion or that there's been
some stress. You know, there is always the risks something
will slip out. But you know, Richie mccauy, how long
did he captain the All Blacks? For Sean Fitzpatrick, you
(12:11):
never heard them say it. And you know, look, I
don't want to sound like an old fuddy duddy here
because you and I both know you know what these words.
We hear these words a lot and we're probably not
offended by it. What I'm saying is is that if
you're looking, you know, the broad reach of the game,
you just got to be careful that you don't you know,
people can take great offense to it. And yeah, sure
(12:32):
there's a risk. I think the biggest risk is when
they start putting microphones into places to overhear conversations. So
if it's a halftime huddle in a sevens game or
one of those hurdles in a time out in a
basketball game, you pluk a microphone in the middle of that.
As far as I'm concerned, the broadcaster does that at
(12:53):
their own risk. And you know that you cannot expect
people in those situations to suddenly start talking like I
don't know Saints when when the heat of the moment,
might I guess determined or requires some other sort I
don't know. So in that regard, that's the riskers on
the broadcaster. But in a controlled situation, when it's a
(13:16):
post match interview in front of a backdrop, everyone knows
what the score is, then that that's when I think
that you know, players do have to take care with
what they say.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
By and large players do though don't they tell they yeah?
Speaker 9 (13:32):
And this is why it did seem a little bit.
I got a bit of a shock to hear Sarah
use that word. I mean, god, mate, there's there's no
one who admires her as a player and as a
leader and a standard center in New Zealand rugby, never
mind women's rugby, I mean across the whole game than me.
I think she's absolutely fantastic. I was a little bit
surprised to hear her say it, and as I say,
(13:55):
it didn't offend me. But I think some people might
take offense. And that's that's the consequence.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
You talk to basketball scrums and when they get their
timeouts and they're full of f bombs, it's almost well
how they're structured. So the broadcast are doing that going
in there, they're they're sensely asking for it, but they
kind of know should there be some kind of warning
attached to it? Is there anything the broadcaster can do?
(14:23):
So they're in the guts of it all, but go, hey,
the language gets spicy in here, listen at your own
peril or is that too much? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (14:30):
Yeah, I've been in situations where you know, we've gone
into huddles or even sometimes you know, we have those
effects MIC's, you know, you see the people walking around
with that fluffy microphone that the idea of that is
to pick up stuff and occasionally you'll hear some fairly
juicy language. And there have been situations and that where
the producer or the director or someone might says to me,
(14:52):
like it, you know, just might have to apologize for
the language because some people will have taken offense at it.
And as I say that broad that that's the risk
that the broadcaster takes. So therefore it's up to the
broadcast that offer some sort of apology when it does
have and I think you can't. You know, you could
probably go to the sporting organization and just a little
you know, word could go out to the coaches, the players,
(15:13):
just be mindful of the fact that there will be
in these huddles, there will be a microphone stuck in there,
So it'd be nice if you could mind your p's
and ques. But I guess you know, as you say,
in the heat of the moment, sometimes things slip out,
don't they.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
The standard deteriorated has gained momentum as far as sports
broadcasting goes when it comes to getting into the guts
of the game and what players can and can't say.
Because back in the old days, the postmatch interviews were postmatch.
They'd probably had a shower and a meat pie by then,
so they very much could mind their p's and ques.
(15:47):
But now accelerating towards basically we want to be in
the middle of a scrum, you're going to get a
lot more of that. Is that a good thing or
a bad thing? On balance?
Speaker 9 (15:56):
Yeah? Look, well, I think one thing that has changed
is that you know that the players are far more
aware now of the positive side of presenting themselves well,
or presenting themselves in a character. You look at someone
like Nita Arcoy, who just gives the most fantastic postmatch interviews.
They are funny, they're witty, you know, so they'll look
from every time, and you know, he has developed quite
(16:19):
a very good persona if you like. You know, he's
a character, a bit of a bit of a cult
figure in the game. And so you know, players are
much more aware of the positive side to doing an interview,
whereas back in the day, as we talk about it,
sometimes players didn't want to be interviewed at all, you know,
rather stick needles in their eyes with it and have
(16:39):
some bloke stick a microphone in their face, you know,
as they're walking off the field after a test match.
But so I look, I think there's there's upsides in
the downsides, and I think again, I just think if
it's if I go back to that point that if
it's if it's a slip of the tongue, if it's
something in the heat of the moment, then I think,
you know, this day and age, people will accept that
(16:59):
it's a genuine mistake. But if people go into a
situation like an interview and they you know, you feel
that they are almost deliberately saying it, then I think
you've crossed the line. Because they have to know that
there will be people who are offended, much as some
people will love it. Some people will be offended, and
(17:19):
I think they do have a responsibility to the game
to present themselves in a positive light.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Forget the refs call, you make the call. On eighty
eight Sports Talk on your home of Sports His Talks.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Long time broadcaster Tony Johnson. He was the man with
the mic when Jerry Collins dropped the bomb two thousand
and six. Something longback, really, isn't it? I don't think
so at all, Tony. Thanks for joining us, so thanks
for sharing your opinions and your thoughts and really relevant
conversation pieces in there. I don't agree with all of them,
(17:59):
but I'm not supposed to because I've got a potty
mouth myself, and you know they live in the gutter,
not not literally, figuratively. Things like language that's low brower
and would shame as sailor don't bother me. They just don't.
(18:20):
But I completely understand there are a lot of people
out there who would find it offensive. Do they need
that on their television? Is it possible to rope in
your desire to cuss when you're on national television? I
think it is. I think societally things have changed. Cuss
(18:44):
words are a lot more acceptable now boocause of podcasting,
because of pay TV, all of that. If bonds are
everywhere and people aren't as triggered by them as they
used to be. But there's I think the most relevant
(19:09):
comment Tony Johnson made there was talking about other nations
whose ability to accept that doesn't exist or is very low.
We're pretty rough and ready over here in New Zealand.
We're all right, you know, bear in a pine of
(19:31):
fight and a cigarette and a cuss word and it's
all right. We can live with that. Other countries they can't.
And you look at the United States of America. How
would they deal with some of the Puritans over there
if they heard this when we were playing at Soldier Field,
for example? And what would that say about New Zealand?
And how well poorly that would reflect on the All Blacks.
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It could be the broadcaster's fault for allowing it to happen,
the broadcaster's fault for sticking the mic right in there,
like with the basketball huddles. There's a few things out
there that I'd like to hear from you A eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty give us a call, okame,
First up, is it actually offensive? How many people find
(20:12):
this offensive? Do you know many people? And I presume
of the older generation not punching down on veterans or
a charity, but I know a lot of that older
generation they cringe it that because they never grew up. Well,
that's cool. Doesn't bother me. I don't find it offensive.
(20:34):
Is there more of a prevalence of this kind of behavior?
Are you hearing it more and more? Do you think
the more you pummel people with it, the more oblivious
they become to it, So it just becomes noise. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty lines are open. I
really want to hear your opinion. Just keep it clean
(20:58):
if you can. This is a new Storks.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
They're aye.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
You hear it from the biggest names and sports and
have your say on eighty sports talk, on your whole
of sports news talks.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
It be we'll get to Chris and a hop, skip
and a jam. It's going to give you this tense
from Steve Darcy a Postmas interview. Shouldn't be banned because
of the odd F bomb. It should be banned because
(21:46):
the media trained words sellings that the players spout out.
That's so true that to me is so much more offensive.
But that's strange. Hello Chris, how are you?
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (22:00):
Good, Darcy? Interesting topic. Look, sometimes I think, you know,
when you look at rugby and maybe to listens agree cricket,
I find cricket broadcasters far more particulate and far more
professional than rugby union and rugby league interviewers. I think
the broadcasters sometimes, you know, deserve it. I mean they
(22:21):
asked dumb questions like after the All Less lost the
World Cup at one point and you go up and
ask Sam Kaine, how do you feel.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
If you if you if there's one trigger for me
in this entire world that sportscasters asking, how do you
feel that? I hate that more than if bombs? See
bombs every other bomb?
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (22:40):
So, I mean so I lost heavily. They're like Jeff
Wilson and Justin Marshall, who have been players should be
able to read the room, and honestly, I think the
past they're used by date they don't. They should read
the room, but they don't.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I don't think the broadcasters are generally at fault. I
think by the the the better broadcasts, the better journalists
come from a broadcasting background. They're just not rejigged props
that I don't even think works a story for another day.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
You know, it really is.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
But the players themselves in that situation, is that forgivable
if they're under the juress of fatigue.
Speaker 10 (23:26):
No, it's a bad example. But the problem you've got now, Darcy,
is that the so much expletives seen coming out of
a player's mouths that you don't hear when they drop
balls or get caught or whatever, you know, which before
you'd never see that, would you cricket? You woudn't because
of opposed to be a gentleman's game.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
And also, but it wasn't as miked up. And I
talk about prevalence. It's because now the ability for the stations,
the broadcasters to pick everything up that everybody sees from
every angle, by default, you're going to hear more of it.
It probably isn't any more or less, but now it's
so available audible. Yeah yeah, sorry, Chris, I was waiting
(24:13):
for you to say something. I get cold. I talk
over people.
Speaker 10 (24:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. I mean I just think that
at kids level, would we shouldn't be encouraging and I
think your senior, your top players in the prospective sports
have got a sad example.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, and we was mentioned by Tony Johnson. When did
you last hear Richie McCord it? When did you last
hear Kame Williamson do it? And so they don't. The
English language is a beautiful thing and I'm a potty mouth.
Anyone who knows me is still stunned that I can
get through an hour of radio without dropping one, right,
But it must be well, No, I've got a responsibility
(24:55):
to do this as my job, and I get paid
to do it. And if I do do it, I'll
get dragged over the calls by broadcast and standard. So
I don't. It's possible even under the tige.
Speaker 11 (25:07):
It's possible when I when I ring you or Piney
I at my age, I'm I'm responsible, no matter how
grumpy it might be about something.
Speaker 10 (25:19):
I'm responsible enough not to put in a position where
I use a word that I shouldn't. You know what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Like people do it? They drop it?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
What was it?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I think either was playing it today? The Scott McLaughlin
bomb when he when he passed Jamie Wincap at Clepsil
a few years back, and he said I plucked it
into the first gave it some jendle and f Year
actually held on ANSWER's got it because he was also
producing a heather because he's the hardest working man in
this building and he's well.
Speaker 10 (25:47):
They beep it Formula one, don't they. They beep it
when they say an F word and a Formula one
and the Formula one drivers are shocking, but they watch it.
There's beats going off just about in every car, isn't
it when something goes wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
They and they've really come down on bad language. The
NEWA hates it, and a lot of these guys won't
even talk to the media anymore because they're tired of
being told how to speak and how to present themselves.
They think it's puritanic.
Speaker 10 (26:17):
Yeah, yeah, I just think Yeah. I mean, at the
end of the day, I think that they have a
responsibility to set an example to the younger people in
those sports.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Chris, that's what. Thank you very much for sharing. I'd
love to hear your opinion out there on radiovill eight
hundred and eighty ten eighteen twenty five minutes to eight.
Love to hear from your societal change. Possibly how words
can offend people is beyond me, granted, there are a
couple of words that will trigger people and they freak out.
(26:52):
If someone comes up to me, punches me in the face,
I'm deeply offended. They just cuss at me. I'm like, cool,
did you write that? Some good points they are around
other nations and how much they'll accept. I think the
broadcasters have got to take a lot of this on
the nose because they get in there. They get stuck
(27:13):
in there, and they want it comes back to bite them.
Oh eighty, ten eighty. He'd love to hear from you
and a role model for the kids. It's a horrible
thing to be, but I suppose in essence it is right.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Ten eighty.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Newstorg's eb is a dial. I'd love to have a
yack still to come out. And Stanley joins us, says,
we talk eligibility for the silver Ferns says, it's news
doorgs eb skill telling you where you can.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Go spore stock on news Storks they do.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
If they are tired of being told how to speak
and how to present themselves, you would think that would
be a clue for them to wake up to themselves. Sometimes,
if one drivers may thirty million dollars a year, they
couldn't kill us, right they And when you're in a
you're in you're in a race car, and there's only
a blink of an eye between catastrophe and being alive.
(28:43):
You get while the language gets a bit rich again.
You take offense to things like that. Maybe you don't
watch it anymore? Is that the way to go? There's
a guy here texted saying if they carry on doing it, well,
my young kids just won't be watching any more sport.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
I think it's.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Unhealthy to hide children from things like foul language because
it's a constant, it's very real, and it exists every
level of society. If you hide that from them, all
we're going to do is whip around the back and
say it anyway and not understand when and when it's appropriate. Dad,
(29:22):
advice from dars anyway, Let's get onto the Phone's oh
one hundred and eighty ten eighty today, Peter.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
Oh good a. Look, this is the two main main
facts on on on what to do in that kind
of situation, and number one is teach yourself how to fight.
And what I mean by that is use your room
as a ring. Have you got a nice square room?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Where does this come into about postmatch swearing.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
Oh, well, you know, if you teach yourself how to fight.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
No, it's quite off topic, but that's okay, Peter. Thanks anyway, Darcy.
I think they should be given ten to twenty minutes
great seeing together themselves post game before getting plastered by broadcasters.
Cook at the rugby or league fair eighty minutes throwing
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your body on the line and getting hammered verse two
people running between the wickets. Emostly, intensity is not the same,
No it isn't. They got along the time to spurt
and casts out in the middle and Stump might pick
it up and they can be quite devastating on what
they say. But it's not the postmatch dropping of the
F bomb. That's the thing that Gregor Paul from his
(30:39):
Zealand Hero was talking about. Offense of that can be
nineteen nine two. That is the text line. I'm just
whipping through a couple of these texts. Plenty of the
men would love to hear your voice. So one hundred
and eighty ten eighty Paul says, I'm surprised, no surprises,
(31:04):
Johnson doesn't like the F bomb. Broad Casters can't have
it both ways if they want the raw emotion and
the cameras in the changing rooms, then they have to
take whatever comes their way. That's not Tony's decision. He's
just the guy on the mic. That's the broadcast decision.
We don't essentially have cameras in the changing rooms. There's
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a sacristaning place where the language becomes horrific. And also
there's lots of naked people hanging around. People for some
reason find nudity offensive, which is nuts, real born nude
and will be buried nude as well as it's just skin.
Don't worry about it, Darcy, why don't you use the
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words frog or fridge as a replacement? Was on the
heat in the moment? Do you not get the cut
through by saying fudge or frog?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Zero? Cut through?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
The thing about the meaningless intensified that is the F bomb.
When used parsimoniously, it can be extraordinarily effective. If you
just hear all the time, it loses all of it's
cut through and punch. They choose when you use it,
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and when you do, man, you make a statement. And
I'm not entirely sure of athletes, even if they finished
the game and they're really tired, necessarily have to say
that I don't and again I'm not an athlete. I've
never played a game in test rugby, never will. Coming
up shot of the program, we'll talk to and a
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Stanley form a silver Fern about what to do with
Grace Wick playing for the New South Wales Swifts absolutely dominating.
I think needble New Zealand will acquiess, I think they'll fold.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
I don't be a better, be.
Speaker 8 (33:01):
A nuts, not too right nuts, which is incredible because
his news talks, Eben.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Seven, sebody Sex sports look on news talks, eb Let's
talk some netball now the case of Grace and we're
joined up by Format Silver FERNA and a Stanley. Good evening,
Good evening, Darcy.
Speaker 12 (33:37):
It's nice to be here and.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
It's wonderful to have you in studio with us as well,
especially considering what's going on in netball at the moment.
And this is something that has affected lots of sports
and different organizations have dealt with this eligibility. I suppose
you'd say in a different way, of course, the latest
one through Amelia and Ikanasio not entirely happy with what
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Netball New Zealand are doing with Grace Wicker.
Speaker 12 (34:03):
Where do you stand on this, where do I stand
on I think she should be given an exemption. I
think she will probably end up being one of our
best civil funds. Ever, the fact at twenty three that
she has, you know, the amount of caps she has
to her name, the fact that she is just such
a pivotal role in any team she plays, and she's
just gone to Australia and the Swift seven lost a
(34:24):
game because they've got Grace at the back, who's doing
everything that a goal shooter, you know, does. She can shoot,
she's athletic. So initially what everyone seems to think is
that there's a rule with a net when He'szellen is
that you have to have played a hundred caps. But
there is no rule that says that some media has
picked up on it and everyone else has run with
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it media media. So in fact, it just happens to
be the two that got the exemption to play in
the Australian League a few years ago, Laura Langman and
Maria Filal, they had played one hundred caps. So I
think maybe it just got a little bit lost in
translation there that you know. Yeah, so the ruling is
that you if you go to Australia and play. You
(35:08):
then cannot play for the silver fans. Now why has
she gone? I kind of agree, it's a nothing year
for netball in this country. COMM Games is next year,
so she'll want to probably look at coming back next
year if they haven't changed the rule and given her
exemption by the end.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
What if the common Games are still going?
Speaker 12 (35:24):
Sorry, well netball is there. They are one of ten
sports that are going. So we do know that netball
will be in the COMM Game. So you know, it
was a year for her to do it. She wanted
to go and grow her game. We're best to do
it than up against the best defenders in the world,
and that's what the Sun Corpse Super League is. It is,
you know, touted as the best competition in the world.
(35:48):
But netble New Zealand need to have a good, strong
look at that rule because you know, without grace.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
We lose so much. Will you look at the fact
that you I'll keep using this terms because I love
it to be. You need to see it. And they
want players like that in the local league so the
young athletes can look to them and go yes. So
does that effect that at the bottom line or is
it more likely the younger players or the people are
(36:15):
aspiring to greater heights. See Grace playing for the Silver
Ferns and go I want to be that. Yeah, well
they do.
Speaker 12 (36:22):
They want to that.
Speaker 9 (36:23):
This is what we need.
Speaker 12 (36:24):
We need players out there being role models for our
young kids. And for Grace to be playing in that
silver fern dress as well as she plays is amazing
for that next crop of players coming through. So the
risk is her going to Australia and playing for the Swifts,
is that she does not come back. She goes over
there and she goes, why would I want to leave?
(36:44):
At the moment, we know she's loving it over there.
You know, it's another level up from the competition here.
It's very elite. You know, week in week out, they're
getting coming up against some big, big, big games, big hustles,
and the riskers that she goes, well, actually I might
stay over here, hey, play for a couple of years
and be eligible for Australia.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
That is the right.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
And we don't write any things I ever heard come
out of your mouth. But no, you're right, it may
indeed happen. But what about what about parity? What about
being fair? What about well? One rule for her? One
rule for others, how.
Speaker 12 (37:21):
Do they navigate And that's where it gets tricky. And
I understand if you're on the board at NIB New
Zealand or you know, you work with a nick on
New Zealand, they've got to have some measures in place,
but there's got to be exception to the rules across
in life. Like I think sometimes we're just two PC
trying and keep everybody happy. It's well, actually, she's one
of the world's best shooters, so therefore one of the
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world's be shooters surely should be able to get an exemption.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
You can reach this hike exactly. It's not about how
many tests you've played, it's about how good you are,
and we've seen that with New Zealand rugby. That's getting
a bit blurry. That line too, isn't about how because
they don't want to lose the talent out of seep
we've lost at an NPC. So that's why you look
back to the as Premiership and where that's going of
no idea with broadcast rights and the like as well,
(38:08):
but a body blow or an acceptable punch in the face.
Speaker 12 (38:14):
Punch in the face, look, I think they need to
have maybe just a rule where you know, two to
three players max. So then that we're keeping most of
our silver ferns back here in New Zealand playing in
the competition. They're visible because you're right, you know, we
don't want all our top players to go to Australia
or go to the UK.
Speaker 7 (38:33):
So I get that.
Speaker 12 (38:33):
You know, netwinw Zealand have got to have some measurable
rules around it, but you know, maybe two to three
players and allow them to go with the exemption of
being able to play for the fans.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Well, if you don't have the ferns playing in the Premiership,
you're also going to water down the quality of that.
So you're defeating yourself again because all of the best
Ferns are going, Hey, we to go and playing Assie.
It's a much better competition. So if you're limited to
two or three you might be able to pull the
damage back. But what about the players themselves, how do
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they feel about this?
Speaker 12 (39:08):
Well, there were a few players that applied for for
the right to go to Australia and a couple were denied,
so but I think the majority of them, you know,
we're happy to stay here. It's a it's a pretty
hard competition to get into in someun court. You know,
there's some pretty good players over there, pretty good.
Speaker 7 (39:27):
Do you remember we.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Had the competition between Australia and New Zealand or would
you rather not remember? Rather they are so I think
a lot.
Speaker 12 (39:35):
You know, they'd probably only want to take a handful
of our silver fans because to be fair, you know,
they've got some pretty great players over there. So I
would say, you know, if we had three silver ferns
that would go over yes they would get in, but
there's probably quite a lot that if they applied, Australia
might not.
Speaker 7 (39:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 12 (39:54):
I don't know whether they'd want them because they've got
such huge depth over there.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
You know.
Speaker 12 (39:58):
You look, we compete pretty well over here in New
Zealand when when we come up against Australia at that
at that silver fern level, but our depth under the
neath is not as good as Australia. It's a bigger country.
They've got more players that play it. They've got twenty million.
It's a numbers game. But we need to have our
best silver fans back here playing. We need they need
to be visible for that younger generation coming through because
(40:21):
there are so many sports now competing against netball. You've
got rugby, you've got sevens, you've got basketball and.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
A major threat.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Yeah, yeah, it's huge.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Jenny Wiley CEO, she's into it right that she's saying no,
the board have got to make that decision. How much
sway do you think she has cauld she lean on them.
Speaker 12 (40:39):
I think she's got she's got a lot of sway.
And from what we're hearing is that I think it's
going to be sooner rather than later that the exemption
will be will be made for Grace to come back.
That's what we're hearing. So let's hope so because I
think that is that is the sensible decision.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
You look to other sports and you look to cricket,
and they have been extraordinary in this space. Maybe some
people say they've gone a little too far, but they
have been very pragmatic about this. Look, if we say no,
they're gone. So we've got to work something. So too
far for Neble to do something like that.
Speaker 12 (41:14):
It's also a numbers game. You look at rugby, they're
allowing these players to go off and have sabbatic calls.
But again we don't have the big numbers in netball.
You know, in a rugby game, you've got twenty two
netball you've got you know, you've got under half of that.
So we just don't have the numbers to say yes,
go and then perhaps come back. So we want to
retain as many as we as we can here with
(41:36):
the exception of a few. And yeah, when you've got
a shoot her that shoots ninety percent of the goals
in any game she plays in, that is an exception
to the rule. I mean we talk that, we compare
her to Irene van Dyke. You know, Irene was and
still is one of our best goal shooters to have
played the game.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
You made it look simple that it wasn't. How hard
can that be?
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Look at what she does, you try it.
Speaker 12 (41:56):
But Grace at twenty three is playing just as good
as Irene was at the end of her career, So.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
She could surpass her. How much further can she got?
Speaker 12 (42:04):
That's the scary thing is that for her side, she's
extremely athletic. You know, she's she's strong, she holds holds
very well. She's a good kid, she's smart. She's obviously
gonna have to look after her body because she's been
hammered quite early on and I'm sure she'll have the
wrap around support that will allow her to have that
(42:24):
longevity in the game.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
The right call is your call on eight hundred eighty
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Speaker 2 (42:33):
ZB four minutes two eight o'clock. It's Anna Stanley. And
if you live netball and you like what Anna has
to say, you need to check out Inside Netball. It's
a podcast hosted by Jenny Woods and on the show
Aidan Wilson and Anna Stanley. I think there are three
(42:53):
episodes in now well worth a listen if you're keen
on netball. Quite forthright as well is Anna Stanley. We
thank you very much for joining us, and thanks to
all who listened to the program tonight.
Speaker 7 (43:05):
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yes, I'm forty seven and I hate foul language. Okay,
there's another guy who's absolutely freaked out at me talking
about not necessarily hiding language from kids. Then they've gone
(43:27):
on to cuss at me. Oh, I don't know, sticks
and stones or break your bones. Words won never hurt
you unless you let them.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
See it.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
An's middle such thanks for reducing Thanks to all of
you out there for listening to the program. I'm Darcy
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
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Come here, you're in for a thrashing. I do it
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(01:33):
Welcome on into sports Talk, not Stick. Seven after seven
on a Wednesday evening. It's the seventh of May twenty
twenty five. Coming up in the evening's edition. Lots of
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you twenty cents a time. We're going to be talking
a couple of subjects tonight. We're going to be talking
net ball. Don't be talking about Grace Wacky and what
to do with a silver fern who flew the coop
and landed in Sydney town. Scept her and say come
(02:19):
on back with open arms. You're a freak, so we
don't mind if you play over the ditch. It's okay
by us. We'll talk with Anna Stanley about that. He's
got the Inside Netball podcast on it News Talk z
B if you want to take a listen to that.
By all means way there. The Sports Fix podcast is
there as well, hand in hand. Well, we'll talk to
(02:40):
and later on in the peaks. First up, they were
going to go to Tony Johnson. Really cool story, you
would have heard about it on Heather's program, talking about
the infiltration of the f bomb into television sporting productions
and how acceptable it is, it isn't how far it
(03:00):
goes on, how long it goes on, what we can
do and do you find it offensive? Tony Johnson was
the man in the mic when Jerry Collins dropped the
bomb after an Argentine test match two thousand and six.
Oh he was there. He wasn't there back when Peter
Jones said, I'm buggered because that's nineteen fifty six. I'm
(03:22):
pretty sure Tony wasn't born then. As veteran a broadcast
through as he's not that much of a veteran. But
he joins us shortly to discuss that, and the prevalence
of the bomb and the relevance of the bomb, and
whose fault is it? Do we care? Is it an issue?
The list goes on. I'm trying all that at you.
After we speak with Tony Johnson, who joins us next.
(03:44):
All right, I think we should carry on, or we
normally do, of an evening like this, and that you
were the sports stick. He's a sports stick for here's
a slice of athletic words, not actions. Sam Darry from
the Blues has committed to his interrubive three more years
(04:05):
the sixteen Lockers on Board to the end of twenty
twenty eight. He's been all busted up recently and spending
some time rehabbing, as well as considering the wise words
of fellow locke Luke Romano, who stated, the obvious.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Hasn't grown a heap in the last three months, and
I think now, but before that massively, I think this
confidence was a massive thing for me. Luke Romano was
really big for me. He always used to say to
me that one day I'll realize how big I am
and it will kind of unlock a lot of a
lot of things there with my game.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
How big you are unlock if you'll just let that go.
Eight time Olympic gold medalist Dame at Lisa Carrington is
takeing a year off the grind of competitive international paddling,
but she has plenty to keep her occupied, like deep
diving basketball, and now that she's invested in the Northern Kahu,
a team that is part of Sales Women's League the
(04:55):
Towee Heat League, We've.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Got a bit of time to kind of get things
in order and yeah, learn from here. It's super exciting.
I think, you know, basketball in New Zealand is a
drowing sport and another way to get right into behind
in sport.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
What happened to the Panthers? Has that gone away? The
story now started death over the weekend the Champions League
see me between inter Milan and Barthalona is being hailed
as the greatest tie in Champions League history. The Italians
one seven six on aggregate after winning four three. It's
sint zero and to keep a yarn. Summer was named
(05:31):
player of the match and he is bouncing as much
as he can. He is bouncing for the final against
PSV einhoven Or Arsenal.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
I'm really happy with the with the team, how we
played this game, because it was it was tough, it
was difficult. We had some really difficult situation in this game,
but we keep on believing till the end.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
That's him really happy. Who wouldn't like him on a
bad day. And the Tall Blacks are looking down the
barrel of three quick turnaround tests against the Boomers over
in Australia. That's the night old score Rubin Tarangi I
thinks he's not at the forefront of dealing with three
games in five days, but the young bucks on the
boards will be.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
Sweet ass for me.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Obviously, the quick turnaround's a little bit older now.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
Body takes a little bit long to recover, but I
think that might be a blessing in disguise, having a
bit of a younger team and some boys they can
get after it for three straight games.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
And that's sports today, right, Let's talk pottymouth TV. Not
necessarily from the presenters. I probably leaned into that a
couple of times myself. Back in the day, the station
I worked with was reckless. We could pretty much do
what we wanted. It's changed a bit now, but the
people being interviewed and the slippage of the F bomb
(06:50):
has been coming to focus us. Sarah hidden, he dropped
one after her team beat up on Australia and won
the sevens over in Los Angeles. So a man who's
been there, right at the forefront of it is Tony Johnson.
He's going to tell us all about that and the limitations,
the requirements, and I suppose the capacity for us to
(07:12):
forgive if someone says oho that nearly came out. Good evening.
Tony Johnson, Hello, Darcy, you've been around.
Speaker 9 (07:20):
I was going to say, how the something right are you?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Thanks? Mate, Let's not do it now, but that's the
discussion point. Look, I don't want to say that you're
a veteran, but you're a veteran. You've been around broadcasting
for a long long time. You would have been there
when if you uttered the word bugger. I mean, we're
not talking quite Peter Jones days now, But that was
a bit of a stretch this day and age, and
Gregor Paul wrote a piece about it. Today it appears
(07:46):
like it's open slaver. It's changed im minstly in the
last what forty years.
Speaker 7 (07:50):
Hasn't it.
Speaker 9 (07:51):
Oh, the boundaries certainly have changed. I mean you used
the word bugger. Well, of course, you know, famously Toyota
did a commercial. But back in the day, I think
the first time that ever came onto the screen, oh sorry,
under the sound waves, would have been nineteen fifty six
when Peter Jones, after he scored that try that beat
the spring box at Eton Park, famously got on the
(08:12):
microphone that it was, you know, to the crowd and
to the nation and said, well, ladies and gentlemen, I
hope I never play another game like that. I'm absolutely buggered.
And that was caused a bit of a sensation, I mean,
because the country was in such a state of euphoria
about beating the spring box nothing else really mattered. But
of course, nowadays, you know, it is a lot different,
(08:33):
just in terms of you know, how often you hear
words that once upon a time would have caused outrage
being used. And I suppose it's just a question as
really is where are the lines drawn now.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
When you're broadcasting the right here and right now? And
we talk about broadcasting standards and we know they can
sometimes come down in like a ton of bricks, But
what instruction are you wonder regards the language you're allowed
to use? Not that you would do that because you're
an old school broadcast. It actually understands the beauty thinglish language,
(09:05):
But what you and what about the players who are interviewing?
What sits over there? Is there anything in place?
Speaker 9 (09:10):
Well, I've never ever been spoken to about it. I
don't think anyone ever needed to speak to us about it.
Was just accepted that if you are broadcasting, if you
are a commentator or a presenter, then you just don't
use any words that will cause offense. I mean, I
was involved in a very infamous or famous moment back
(09:33):
in two thousand and six, and I'm sure people will
remember it. I think it might have been mentioned in
the story in the Herald where I was in Argentina,
Buenos Aires and the captain of the day was Jerry
Collins and the All Blacks had beaten Argentina, they hadn't
played particularly well. I think they went there with about
a three score a three quarter strength team. The idea
(09:55):
being that it was a little thank you for the
vote that Argentina gave a New Zealand support for the
allocation of the twenty eleven Rugby World Cup. Anyway, I
interviewed Jerry at the end of the game and eventually
we managed to track him down and he wandered over
and he acknowledged that they hadn't played very well and
he said, I suppose people at home won't be too
(10:16):
happy about that, but who gives us insert the word?
And that caused quite a commotion, I think because it
was Jerry Collins, because it was a bit of a
one off I suppose seen as a bit of a
slip of the tongue or whatever. Yeah, there was a
commotion about it. I don't know how many people were
actually offended by it, but that was to say, that
was Jerry, that was something that was said in the moment.
(10:39):
I think it's when it starts to become more common usage.
That's when people will start drawing lines about what really
is acceptable and also just remind people that they are
seen as role models, if you like, and that there
are young people that will be influenced by their conduct.
(11:03):
And also that if you're trying to grow the game,
you're trying to grow it in parts of the world
where maybe that sort of language is simply is not accepted.
And so I think players are broadcasters whoever have to
be mindful of that and what you know, Okay, there's
the odd slip of the tongue, but I mean, be
careful perhaps next time not to let that word come
(11:25):
out when the tongue slips.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
When broadcasters and will go to sky they get people
on the field straight after the game and the hubbub
of the game and the sweat and the stress, and
put a microphone in players' faces. Do you think that
not encourages but gives maybe open slather because of the
heat of the moment. These guys are well I use
a jonessm. They're bugger things slip out? Are they bringing
(11:49):
on themselves? The broadcasters?
Speaker 9 (11:51):
Oh yeah, Look, I understand what you're saying there, and
you know, it's something that we have to be mindful
of that when you are interviewing people in the heat
of the moment or under exhaustion or that there's been
some stress. You know, there is always the risks something
will slip out. But you know, Richie mccauy, how long
did he captain the All Blacks? For Sean Fitzpatrick, you
(12:11):
never heard them say it. And you know, look, I
don't want to sound like an old fuddy duddy here
because you and I both know you know what these words.
We hear these words a lot and we're probably not
offended by it. What I'm saying is is that if
you're looking, you know, the broad reach of the game,
you just got to be careful that you don't you know,
people can take great offense to it. And yeah, sure
(12:32):
there's a risk. I think the biggest risk is when
they start putting microphones into places to overhear conversations. So
if it's a halftime huddle in a sevens game or
one of those hurdles in a time out in a
basketball game, you pluk a microphone in the middle of that.
As far as I'm concerned, the broadcaster does that at
(12:53):
their own risk. And you know that you cannot expect
people in those situations to suddenly start talking like I
don't know Saints when when the heat of the moment,
might I guess determined or requires some other sort I
don't know. So in that regard, that's the riskers on
the broadcaster. But in a controlled situation, when it's a
(13:16):
post match interview in front of a backdrop, everyone knows
what the score is, then that that's when I think
that you know, players do have to take care with
what they say.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
By and large players do though don't they tell they yeah?
Speaker 9 (13:32):
And this is why it did seem a little bit.
I got a bit of a shock to hear Sarah
use that word. I mean, god, mate, there's there's no
one who admires her as a player and as a
leader and a standard center in New Zealand rugby, never
mind women's rugby, I mean across the whole game than me.
I think she's absolutely fantastic. I was a little bit
surprised to hear her say it, and as I say,
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it didn't offend me. But I think some people might
take offense. And that's that's the consequence.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
You talk to basketball scrums and when they get their
timeouts and they're full of f bombs, it's almost well
how they're structured. So the broadcast are doing that going
in there, they're they're sensely asking for it, but they
kind of know should there be some kind of warning
attached to it? Is there anything the broadcaster can do?
(14:23):
So they're in the guts of it all, but go, hey,
the language gets spicy in here, listen at your own
peril or is that too much? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (14:30):
Yeah, I've been in situations where you know, we've gone
into huddles or even sometimes you know, we have those
effects MIC's, you know, you see the people walking around
with that fluffy microphone that the idea of that is
to pick up stuff and occasionally you'll hear some fairly
juicy language. And there have been situations and that where
the producer or the director or someone might says to me,
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like it, you know, just might have to apologize for
the language because some people will have taken offense at it.
And as I say that broad that that's the risk
that the broadcaster takes. So therefore it's up to the
broadcast that offer some sort of apology when it does
have and I think you can't. You know, you could
probably go to the sporting organization and just a little
you know, word could go out to the coaches, the players,
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just be mindful of the fact that there will be
in these huddles, there will be a microphone stuck in there,
So it'd be nice if you could mind your p's
and ques. But I guess you know, as you say,
in the heat of the moment, sometimes things slip out,
don't they.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
The standard deteriorated has gained momentum as far as sports
broadcasting goes when it comes to getting into the guts
of the game and what players can and can't say.
Because back in the old days, the postmatch interviews were postmatch.
They'd probably had a shower and a meat pie by then,
so they very much could mind their p's and ques.
(15:47):
But now accelerating towards basically we want to be in
the middle of a scrum, you're going to get a
lot more of that. Is that a good thing or
a bad thing? On balance?
Speaker 9 (15:56):
Yeah? Look, well, I think one thing that has changed
is that you know that the players are far more
aware now of the positive side of presenting themselves well,
or presenting themselves in a character. You look at someone
like Nita Arcoy, who just gives the most fantastic postmatch interviews.
They are funny, they're witty, you know, so they'll look
from every time, and you know, he has developed quite
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a very good persona if you like. You know, he's
a character, a bit of a bit of a cult
figure in the game. And so you know, players are
much more aware of the positive side to doing an interview,
whereas back in the day, as we talk about it,
sometimes players didn't want to be interviewed at all, you know,
rather stick needles in their eyes with it and have
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some bloke stick a microphone in their face, you know,
as they're walking off the field after a test match.
But so I look, I think there's there's upsides in
the downsides, and I think again, I just think if
it's if I go back to that point that if
it's if it's a slip of the tongue, if it's
something in the heat of the moment, then I think,
you know, this day and age, people will accept that
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it's a genuine mistake. But if people go into a
situation like an interview and they you know, you feel
that they are almost deliberately saying it, then I think
you've crossed the line. Because they have to know that
there will be people who are offended, much as some
people will love it. Some people will be offended, and
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I think they do have a responsibility to the game
to present themselves in a positive light.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Forget the refs call, you make the call. On eighty
eight Sports Talk on your home of Sports His Talks.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Long time broadcaster Tony Johnson. He was the man with
the mic when Jerry Collins dropped the bomb two thousand
and six. Something longback, really, isn't it? I don't think
so at all, Tony. Thanks for joining us, so thanks
for sharing your opinions and your thoughts and really relevant
conversation pieces in there. I don't agree with all of them,
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but I'm not supposed to because I've got a potty
mouth myself, and you know they live in the gutter,
not not literally, figuratively. Things like language that's low brower
and would shame as sailor don't bother me. They just don't.
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But I completely understand there are a lot of people
out there who would find it offensive. Do they need
that on their television? Is it possible to rope in
your desire to cuss when you're on national television? I
think it is. I think societally things have changed. Cuss
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words are a lot more acceptable now boocause of podcasting,
because of pay TV, all of that. If bonds are
everywhere and people aren't as triggered by them as they
used to be. But there's I think the most relevant
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comment Tony Johnson made there was talking about other nations
whose ability to accept that doesn't exist or is very low.
We're pretty rough and ready over here in New Zealand.
We're all right, you know, bear in a pine of
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fight and a cigarette and a cuss word and it's
all right. We can live with that. Other countries they can't.
And you look at the United States of America. How
would they deal with some of the Puritans over there
if they heard this when we were playing at Soldier Field,
for example? And what would that say about New Zealand?
And how well poorly that would reflect on the All Blacks.
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It could be the broadcaster's fault for allowing it to happen,
the broadcaster's fault for sticking the mic right in there,
like with the basketball huddles. There's a few things out
there that I'd like to hear from you A eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty give us a call, okame,
First up, is it actually offensive? How many people find
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this offensive? Do you know many people? And I presume
of the older generation not punching down on veterans or
a charity, but I know a lot of that older
generation they cringe it that because they never grew up. Well,
that's cool. Doesn't bother me. I don't find it offensive.
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Is there more of a prevalence of this kind of behavior?
Are you hearing it more and more? Do you think
the more you pummel people with it, the more oblivious
they become to it, So it just becomes noise. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty lines are open. I
really want to hear your opinion. Just keep it clean
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if you can. This is a new Storks.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
They're aye.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
You hear it from the biggest names and sports and
have your say on eighty sports talk, on your whole
of sports news talks.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
It be we'll get to Chris and a hop, skip
and a jam. It's going to give you this tense
from Steve Darcy a Postmas interview. Shouldn't be banned because
of the odd F bomb. It should be banned because
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the media trained words sellings that the players spout out.
That's so true that to me is so much more offensive.
But that's strange. Hello Chris, how are you?
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (22:00):
Good, Darcy? Interesting topic. Look, sometimes I think, you know,
when you look at rugby and maybe to listens agree cricket,
I find cricket broadcasters far more particulate and far more
professional than rugby union and rugby league interviewers. I think
the broadcasters sometimes, you know, deserve it. I mean they
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asked dumb questions like after the All Less lost the
World Cup at one point and you go up and
ask Sam Kaine, how do you feel.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
If you if you if there's one trigger for me
in this entire world that sportscasters asking, how do you
feel that? I hate that more than if bombs? See
bombs every other bomb?
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (22:40):
So, I mean so I lost heavily. They're like Jeff
Wilson and Justin Marshall, who have been players should be
able to read the room, and honestly, I think the
past they're used by date they don't. They should read
the room, but they don't.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I don't think the broadcasters are generally at fault. I
think by the the the better broadcasts, the better journalists
come from a broadcasting background. They're just not rejigged props
that I don't even think works a story for another day.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
You know, it really is.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
But the players themselves in that situation, is that forgivable
if they're under the juress of fatigue.
Speaker 10 (23:26):
No, it's a bad example. But the problem you've got now, Darcy,
is that the so much expletives seen coming out of
a player's mouths that you don't hear when they drop
balls or get caught or whatever, you know, which before
you'd never see that, would you cricket? You woudn't because
of opposed to be a gentleman's game.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
And also, but it wasn't as miked up. And I
talk about prevalence. It's because now the ability for the stations,
the broadcasters to pick everything up that everybody sees from
every angle, by default, you're going to hear more of it.
It probably isn't any more or less, but now it's
so available audible. Yeah yeah, sorry, Chris, I was waiting
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for you to say something. I get cold. I talk
over people.
Speaker 10 (24:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. I mean I just think that
at kids level, would we shouldn't be encouraging and I
think your senior, your top players in the prospective sports
have got a sad example.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, and we was mentioned by Tony Johnson. When did
you last hear Richie McCord it? When did you last
hear Kame Williamson do it? And so they don't. The
English language is a beautiful thing and I'm a potty mouth.
Anyone who knows me is still stunned that I can
get through an hour of radio without dropping one, right,
But it must be well, No, I've got a responsibility
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to do this as my job, and I get paid
to do it. And if I do do it, I'll
get dragged over the calls by broadcast and standard. So
I don't. It's possible even under the tige.
Speaker 11 (25:07):
It's possible when I when I ring you or Piney
I at my age, I'm I'm responsible, no matter how
grumpy it might be about something.
Speaker 10 (25:19):
I'm responsible enough not to put in a position where
I use a word that I shouldn't. You know what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Like people do it? They drop it?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
What was it?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I think either was playing it today? The Scott McLaughlin
bomb when he when he passed Jamie Wincap at Clepsil
a few years back, and he said I plucked it
into the first gave it some jendle and f Year
actually held on ANSWER's got it because he was also
producing a heather because he's the hardest working man in
this building and he's well.
Speaker 10 (25:47):
They beep it Formula one, don't they. They beep it
when they say an F word and a Formula one
and the Formula one drivers are shocking, but they watch it.
There's beats going off just about in every car, isn't
it when something goes wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
They and they've really come down on bad language. The
NEWA hates it, and a lot of these guys won't
even talk to the media anymore because they're tired of
being told how to speak and how to present themselves.
They think it's puritanic.
Speaker 10 (26:17):
Yeah, yeah, I just think Yeah. I mean, at the
end of the day, I think that they have a
responsibility to set an example to the younger people in
those sports.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Chris, that's what. Thank you very much for sharing. I'd
love to hear your opinion out there on radiovill eight
hundred and eighty ten eighteen twenty five minutes to eight.
Love to hear from your societal change. Possibly how words
can offend people is beyond me, granted, there are a
couple of words that will trigger people and they freak out.
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If someone comes up to me, punches me in the face,
I'm deeply offended. They just cuss at me. I'm like, cool,
did you write that? Some good points they are around
other nations and how much they'll accept. I think the
broadcasters have got to take a lot of this on
the nose because they get in there. They get stuck
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in there, and they want it comes back to bite them.
Oh eighty, ten eighty. He'd love to hear from you
and a role model for the kids. It's a horrible
thing to be, but I suppose in essence it is right.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Ten eighty.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Newstorg's eb is a dial. I'd love to have a
yack still to come out. And Stanley joins us, says,
we talk eligibility for the silver Ferns says, it's news
doorgs eb skill telling you where you can.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Go spore stock on news Storks they do.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
If they are tired of being told how to speak
and how to present themselves, you would think that would
be a clue for them to wake up to themselves. Sometimes,
if one drivers may thirty million dollars a year, they
couldn't kill us, right they And when you're in a
you're in you're in a race car, and there's only
a blink of an eye between catastrophe and being alive.
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You get while the language gets a bit rich again.
You take offense to things like that. Maybe you don't
watch it anymore? Is that the way to go? There's
a guy here texted saying if they carry on doing it, well,
my young kids just won't be watching any more sport.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
I think it's.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Unhealthy to hide children from things like foul language because
it's a constant, it's very real, and it exists every
level of society. If you hide that from them, all
we're going to do is whip around the back and
say it anyway and not understand when and when it's appropriate. Dad,
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advice from dars anyway, Let's get onto the Phone's oh
one hundred and eighty ten eighty today, Peter.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
Oh good a. Look, this is the two main main
facts on on on what to do in that kind
of situation, and number one is teach yourself how to fight.
And what I mean by that is use your room
as a ring. Have you got a nice square room?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Where does this come into about postmatch swearing.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
Oh, well, you know, if you teach yourself how to fight.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
No, it's quite off topic, but that's okay, Peter. Thanks anyway, Darcy.
I think they should be given ten to twenty minutes
great seeing together themselves post game before getting plastered by broadcasters.
Cook at the rugby or league fair eighty minutes throwing
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your body on the line and getting hammered verse two
people running between the wickets. Emostly, intensity is not the same,
No it isn't. They got along the time to spurt
and casts out in the middle and Stump might pick
it up and they can be quite devastating on what
they say. But it's not the postmatch dropping of the
F bomb. That's the thing that Gregor Paul from his
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Zealand Hero was talking about. Offense of that can be
nineteen nine two. That is the text line. I'm just
whipping through a couple of these texts. Plenty of the
men would love to hear your voice. So one hundred
and eighty ten eighty Paul says, I'm surprised, no surprises,
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Johnson doesn't like the F bomb. Broad Casters can't have
it both ways if they want the raw emotion and
the cameras in the changing rooms, then they have to
take whatever comes their way. That's not Tony's decision. He's
just the guy on the mic. That's the broadcast decision.
We don't essentially have cameras in the changing rooms. There's
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a sacristaning place where the language becomes horrific. And also
there's lots of naked people hanging around. People for some
reason find nudity offensive, which is nuts, real born nude
and will be buried nude as well as it's just skin.
Don't worry about it, Darcy, why don't you use the
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words frog or fridge as a replacement? Was on the
heat in the moment? Do you not get the cut
through by saying fudge or frog?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Zero? Cut through?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
The thing about the meaningless intensified that is the F bomb.
When used parsimoniously, it can be extraordinarily effective. If you
just hear all the time, it loses all of it's
cut through and punch. They choose when you use it,
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and when you do, man, you make a statement. And
I'm not entirely sure of athletes, even if they finished
the game and they're really tired, necessarily have to say
that I don't and again I'm not an athlete. I've
never played a game in test rugby, never will. Coming
up shot of the program, we'll talk to and a
(32:45):
Stanley form a silver Fern about what to do with
Grace Wick playing for the New South Wales Swifts absolutely dominating.
I think needble New Zealand will acquiess, I think they'll fold.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
I don't be a better, be.
Speaker 8 (33:01):
A nuts, not too right nuts, which is incredible because
his news talks, Eben.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Seven, sebody Sex sports look on news talks, eb Let's
talk some netball now the case of Grace and we're
joined up by Format Silver FERNA and a Stanley. Good evening,
Good evening, Darcy.
Speaker 12 (33:37):
It's nice to be here and.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
It's wonderful to have you in studio with us as well,
especially considering what's going on in netball at the moment.
And this is something that has affected lots of sports
and different organizations have dealt with this eligibility. I suppose
you'd say in a different way, of course, the latest
one through Amelia and Ikanasio not entirely happy with what
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Netball New Zealand are doing with Grace Wicker.
Speaker 12 (34:03):
Where do you stand on this, where do I stand
on I think she should be given an exemption. I
think she will probably end up being one of our
best civil funds. Ever, the fact at twenty three that
she has, you know, the amount of caps she has
to her name, the fact that she is just such
a pivotal role in any team she plays, and she's
just gone to Australia and the Swift seven lost a
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game because they've got Grace at the back, who's doing
everything that a goal shooter, you know, does. She can shoot,
she's athletic. So initially what everyone seems to think is
that there's a rule with a net when He'szellen is
that you have to have played a hundred caps. But
there is no rule that says that some media has
picked up on it and everyone else has run with
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it media media. So in fact, it just happens to
be the two that got the exemption to play in
the Australian League a few years ago, Laura Langman and
Maria Filal, they had played one hundred caps. So I
think maybe it just got a little bit lost in
translation there that you know. Yeah, so the ruling is
that you if you go to Australia and play. You
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then cannot play for the silver fans. Now why has
she gone? I kind of agree, it's a nothing year
for netball in this country. COMM Games is next year,
so she'll want to probably look at coming back next
year if they haven't changed the rule and given her
exemption by the end.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
What if the common Games are still going?
Speaker 12 (35:24):
Sorry, well netball is there. They are one of ten
sports that are going. So we do know that netball
will be in the COMM Game. So you know, it
was a year for her to do it. She wanted
to go and grow her game. We're best to do
it than up against the best defenders in the world,
and that's what the Sun Corpse Super League is. It is,
you know, touted as the best competition in the world.
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But netble New Zealand need to have a good, strong
look at that rule because you know, without grace.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
We lose so much. Will you look at the fact
that you I'll keep using this terms because I love
it to be. You need to see it. And they
want players like that in the local league so the
young athletes can look to them and go yes. So
does that effect that at the bottom line or is
it more likely the younger players or the people are
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aspiring to greater heights. See Grace playing for the Silver
Ferns and go I want to be that. Yeah, well
they do.
Speaker 12 (36:22):
They want to that.
Speaker 9 (36:23):
This is what we need.
Speaker 12 (36:24):
We need players out there being role models for our
young kids. And for Grace to be playing in that
silver fern dress as well as she plays is amazing
for that next crop of players coming through. So the
risk is her going to Australia and playing for the Swifts,
is that she does not come back. She goes over
there and she goes, why would I want to leave?
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At the moment, we know she's loving it over there.
You know, it's another level up from the competition here.
It's very elite. You know, week in week out, they're
getting coming up against some big, big, big games, big hustles,
and the riskers that she goes, well, actually I might
stay over here, hey, play for a couple of years
and be eligible for Australia.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
That is the right.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
And we don't write any things I ever heard come
out of your mouth. But no, you're right, it may
indeed happen. But what about what about parity? What about
being fair? What about well? One rule for her? One
rule for others, how.
Speaker 12 (37:21):
Do they navigate And that's where it gets tricky. And
I understand if you're on the board at NIB New
Zealand or you know, you work with a nick on
New Zealand, they've got to have some measures in place,
but there's got to be exception to the rules across
in life. Like I think sometimes we're just two PC
trying and keep everybody happy. It's well, actually, she's one
of the world's best shooters, so therefore one of the
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world's be shooters surely should be able to get an exemption.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
You can reach this hike exactly. It's not about how
many tests you've played, it's about how good you are,
and we've seen that with New Zealand rugby. That's getting
a bit blurry. That line too, isn't about how because
they don't want to lose the talent out of seep
we've lost at an NPC. So that's why you look
back to the as Premiership and where that's going of
no idea with broadcast rights and the like as well,
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but a body blow or an acceptable punch in the face.
Speaker 12 (38:14):
Punch in the face, look, I think they need to
have maybe just a rule where you know, two to
three players max. So then that we're keeping most of
our silver ferns back here in New Zealand playing in
the competition. They're visible because you're right, you know, we
don't want all our top players to go to Australia
or go to the UK.
Speaker 7 (38:33):
So I get that.
Speaker 12 (38:33):
You know, netwinw Zealand have got to have some measurable
rules around it, but you know, maybe two to three
players and allow them to go with the exemption of
being able to play for the fans.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Well, if you don't have the ferns playing in the Premiership,
you're also going to water down the quality of that.
So you're defeating yourself again because all of the best
Ferns are going, Hey, we to go and playing Assie.
It's a much better competition. So if you're limited to
two or three you might be able to pull the
damage back. But what about the players themselves, how do
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they feel about this?
Speaker 12 (39:08):
Well, there were a few players that applied for for
the right to go to Australia and a couple were denied,
so but I think the majority of them, you know,
we're happy to stay here. It's a it's a pretty
hard competition to get into in someun court. You know,
there's some pretty good players over there, pretty good.
Speaker 7 (39:27):
Do you remember we.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Had the competition between Australia and New Zealand or would
you rather not remember? Rather they are so I think
a lot.
Speaker 12 (39:35):
You know, they'd probably only want to take a handful
of our silver fans because to be fair, you know,
they've got some pretty great players over there. So I
would say, you know, if we had three silver ferns
that would go over yes they would get in, but
there's probably quite a lot that if they applied, Australia
might not.
Speaker 7 (39:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 12 (39:54):
I don't know whether they'd want them because they've got
such huge depth over there.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
You know.
Speaker 12 (39:58):
You look, we compete pretty well over here in New
Zealand when when we come up against Australia at that
at that silver fern level, but our depth under the
neath is not as good as Australia. It's a bigger country.
They've got more players that play it. They've got twenty million.
It's a numbers game. But we need to have our
best silver fans back here playing. We need they need
to be visible for that younger generation coming through because
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there are so many sports now competing against netball. You've
got rugby, you've got sevens, you've got basketball and.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
A major threat.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Yeah, yeah, it's huge.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Jenny Wiley CEO, she's into it right that she's saying no,
the board have got to make that decision. How much
sway do you think she has cauld she lean on them.
Speaker 12 (40:39):
I think she's got she's got a lot of sway.
And from what we're hearing is that I think it's
going to be sooner rather than later that the exemption
will be will be made for Grace to come back.
That's what we're hearing. So let's hope so because I
think that is that is the sensible decision.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
You look to other sports and you look to cricket,
and they have been extraordinary in this space. Maybe some
people say they've gone a little too far, but they
have been very pragmatic about this. Look, if we say no,
they're gone. So we've got to work something. So too
far for Neble to do something like that.
Speaker 12 (41:14):
It's also a numbers game. You look at rugby, they're
allowing these players to go off and have sabbatic calls.
But again we don't have the big numbers in netball.
You know, in a rugby game, you've got twenty two
netball you've got you know, you've got under half of that.
So we just don't have the numbers to say yes,
go and then perhaps come back. So we want to
retain as many as we as we can here with
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the exception of a few. And yeah, when you've got
a shoot her that shoots ninety percent of the goals
in any game she plays in, that is an exception
to the rule. I mean we talk that, we compare
her to Irene van Dyke. You know, Irene was and
still is one of our best goal shooters to have
played the game.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
You made it look simple that it wasn't. How hard
can that be?
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Look at what she does, you try it.
Speaker 12 (41:56):
But Grace at twenty three is playing just as good
as Irene was at the end of her career, So.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
She could surpass her. How much further can she got?
Speaker 12 (42:04):
That's the scary thing is that for her side, she's
extremely athletic. You know, she's she's strong, she holds holds
very well. She's a good kid, she's smart. She's obviously
gonna have to look after her body because she's been
hammered quite early on and I'm sure she'll have the
wrap around support that will allow her to have that
(42:24):
longevity in the game.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
The right call is your call on eight hundred eighty
eighty Sports Talk Call on your home of Sports News Talk.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
ZB four minutes two eight o'clock. It's Anna Stanley. And
if you live netball and you like what Anna has
to say, you need to check out Inside Netball. It's
a podcast hosted by Jenny Woods and on the show
Aidan Wilson and Anna Stanley. I think there are three
(42:53):
episodes in now well worth a listen if you're keen
on netball. Quite forthright as well is Anna Stanley. We
thank you very much for joining us, and thanks to
all who listened to the program tonight.
Speaker 7 (43:05):
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yes, I'm forty seven and I hate foul language. Okay,
there's another guy who's absolutely freaked out at me talking
about not necessarily hiding language from kids. Then they've gone
(43:27):
on to cuss at me. Oh, I don't know, sticks
and stones or break your bones. Words won never hurt
you unless you let them.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
See it.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
An's middle such thanks for reducing Thanks to all of
you out there for listening to the program. I'm Darcy
Wadergrave goodbye.
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