May 14, 2025 • 42 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap another day of sports news! Highlights for tonight include:
Former America's Cup sailor Peter Lester on Nathan Outteridge becoming the new Team New Zealand skipper.
Talkback - Do you still feel like Emirates Team NZ is a New Zealand team?
Hurricane Bailyn Sullivan ahead of their match against the Highlanders.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Darcy Waldegrave
from News Talk SED.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Be here we go again. He Hi, Welcome to sports Talk.
(00:47):
I'm Darcy Waldgrove. Seven after seven of this. It's a Wednesday,
fourteenth to May twenty twenty five. It talks four for
the next hour. I'll talk some, Peter Lester will talk some.
I'll talk some more. You'll talk some more. One hundred
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for tray Hero from a week and a half bag
Bat and sull of Thee's got to join us from
Hurricanes taking on the Highlanders over the weekend. Hard case
A hard case. We'll be talking to him later in
the piece. That's our plan. I've got Peter Lester on.
I know we did America's Cup yesterday, but that was
a wandered down memory lane and glorious it was as well,
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and thanks to everybody who texted in and rung up
as well. It was a great time to go back
to those simpler days when Red Sox was all it
took to win an America's Cup. Okay, joke, that's not
the case. But there were simple days, weren't they. More
America's Cup coming out today, a changing of the guard.
Now we know who's replacing Peter Berling as they look
(01:57):
toward going four on the bounce, which is extraordinary. And
we'll talk about that and some thoughts around this, and
I'd like your thoughts around this as well. What's more
important for you? What's more important?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Well?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I think I know the answer the second one. What's
more important for you around the naming of this team?
There's a kind of quasi Aussie in there, because you know,
kind of asi kind of New Zealand and a pomp.
How does that sit with you? Is it is it
more important that we actually have some connection back to
New Zealand because that rope that quarter has been stre
(02:37):
so far it's going to snap. There's not a lot
of love in there. Or is it just more important
that they employ whoever they can to win. I know
what they think, it's all about winning, keeping a connection
to New Zealand, But does it kind of sting?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Ay?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Bit stings to me? Oh maybe I'm a bit of
a blouse saying in the nice possible way anyway, Before
any of that, let's still whole lot of this and
in sport today old school outside Welsh Beck is one
of four changes made to the Crusader's side to getting
(03:13):
humbled by the Chiefs. Yeah, humbled. Coach Robert Penny talks
of Johnny McNichols return to the team.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Been there or thereabouts last month, ready to go. We
would have probably given them excess earlier. But our back
three has been operating really efficiently and since Will's injury,
Johnny's the ideal replacement for us.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
An awful season for the Phoenix continues its pain. Gaffer
Gean Carlino Taliano speaks of the team's mental space after
the thankless trip to Darwin, a journey all four bottom
placed A League teams have to make. They're playing the
Brisbane now for a place in the last thirty two
of the Australia Cup.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
We're just going to go into the game trying to
play our best football ourselves. You know, we've had a
disappointing last couple of weeks of the season, but we're
going to try and in a positive and just take
what we can get from this, leading it to the
next season.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
To the NBA. Now a climacity thunder has taken a
step toward the Western Conference Finals by beating the Nuggas
one twelve, one five to take the series lead three
to two. You could strap forty four for the Denver team,
bar to no vail. Game six is on Friday, back
in the Hills, and to tell, we'll travel up the club.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
There's Caminal Geam five for lags to Oklahoma City.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
They come up big.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Tell the stretch once again thanks to ESPN four letting
us lift their content and interim football Firms. Coach Michael
Maine says he's throwing a curveball ahead of next month's
Venezuelan friendly. The recently retired will Pro club Football at
least an only Longo is in mains plots of future.
(04:51):
The plan is to make sure we're building the squad
and what were doing to make sure we're in the
best place possible come twenty seven.
Speaker 8 (04:56):
So for her, we'll keep discussing and assess after tour
and see where she's at.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
And that's let's talk a bit of America's Cup. There's
a lot of changes coming. Protocols are changing. We're joined
now by Peter Lester to talk about that. He joins
us now like Peter Hi Darcy, looking forward as we
(05:21):
always are to every edition of the America's Cup, more
so not the sailing, but the drama behind the scenes.
Are today what one day after the thirtieth anniversary of
that fantastic day over in San Diego, they've announced that
Outridge and Draper adjoining Team New Zealand for the next defense.
(05:43):
I need to know, Peter Lester, where does this sit
as far as eligibility because the laws around this or
there the rules, the protocol, Where does it stand right now?
What are we looking at?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Mate?
Speaker 9 (05:55):
The protocol hasn't been published yet, but I think after
today's announcement what we can assume is that the nationality
rule has been altered in as much and my take
on it right now would be if a non national
of a team has not sailed in the last America's Cup,
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that they become eligible, you know, for another country. Now,
that seems to me as though it might have been
a clause that's been added to the protocol for the
thirty eighth America's Cup to try and help out a
line when they were in negotiations with Team New Zealand
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and with the Challenger record the Ryal squadron in the UK,
and of course now we know that they've pulled out.
But I think today with Chris Japher, who's a brit
being signed by Emirates Team New Zealand. Now Chris did
not do the last America's Cup nor the one before,
the one in Auckland. Therefore he has become eligible and
(06:58):
that means that we now know that there will be
a protocol change in terms of nationality. But the protocol
has not been published yet, it's only in the draft form.
But my understanding is the protocol announcement is very close.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Like the tide in and out. I've got to start
with these ridiculous sayings around, sayny, but I can't help myself.
It's movable feasts. It always changes. That is the nature
of the America's Cup. But is this a surprise to
you at all, presuming that you're right around the protocol change.
Speaker 9 (07:29):
Oh no, No, it's the America's Cup, you know, And
that's the intrigue if you're a bit of a you know,
I love I love the America's Cup and i've sort
of it's been my life and you know what's going
on now is completely normal. It's not normal in real life,
a normal sport, but in the game of America's Cup,
it's absolutely normal and it's the sequence of events. So
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you know, emrist New Zealand win the Cup, they get
a challenge or a record which is the Royal Squadron.
Then they have this period from the last Cup until
about now where they negotiate the rules for the next Cup,
which will be the third the eighth Cup. Then they
announce the rules, which we call the protocol, and then
from there that opens up the period where entries will
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be accepted for the thirty eighth America's Cup from the
challenges and then coupled with that as venue announcements. So
there's a bit happening in the next couple months.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Primarily, Peter Lester, when you look at the adjustments and
changes of the protocol, where is it most likely to
fluctuate to move to bend.
Speaker 9 (08:37):
I think obviously there's been a slight relaxing of the
nationality rule, so that'll be reflected in the protocol. I'll
be interested to see what they've done with some of
the boat changes, the rule, the class rule changes, and
I'll be interested to see whether they've just pulled back
a little bit some of the technology in terms of
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the artificial intelligence and the automation on the boat, on
the boats, because we certainly saw in Barcela Owner that
all the boats in fact had quite a high level
of automation in terms of some of the functions on board.
Now I think that might be pulled back a little bit,
or I'm hoping it will be pulled back and we'll
(09:19):
see a little bit more sailor input.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Primarily driven by cost, I'd presume, No, I don't yet.
Speaker 9 (09:28):
It's always cost, but the cost is not the drive.
If if you can't afford it, don't play.
Speaker 8 (09:32):
The Americans Cup game.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
But it'll suit. But they need to drag people in.
Surely they want a vibrant there we go again, buoy
in competition. So if they price everybody out of the market,
no one's going to turn up, right.
Speaker 9 (09:46):
I think people turn up. I mean there's there's a
number of very very wealthy syndicates or wealthy billionaire owners,
especially in Europe, who like to play this game. And
and you know the politics of the Americans Cup, there's
nothing new with that. You go right back to New
Yacht Club and what they they hold it held it
(10:07):
for a one hundred and you know, one hundred odd year,
one hundred and fifty seven years. It's just the way
the game is played and that's what makes it so
darn intriguing. And then you know it's one hundred and
seventy four years old, this competition. It's the oldest sporting
trophy and it's that history that makes the cut.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
As far as the fact that we've got out Ridge,
who's very much involved in the gauge of Team New
Zealand has been and Draper coming on board, what does
that say about the quality of young sailors in New
Zealand coming through? Surely to bleed some of these in
after three successful a victory and a couple of defenses,
(10:47):
the time will be right to look at some New
Zealand talent. It must be out there. It's like, it's
not like we landlocked Peter's this talent out there to
climb up to the next level.
Speaker 9 (10:58):
Yeah, I think there is talent. There's some young ones.
Will mackenzie who got silver at the last Games and
the forty nine o'class and Isac McCarty there talented forty
nine A sailors and that it's that class, that Olympic
skiff class where some of this talent comes from. Maybe
they're still a wee bit young. And you know Sam
(11:19):
Meach is in there, Andy Maloney and obviously Chris Draper,
so one of those I think now you'd have to say,
will step up to be on the port side steering
along with Nathan outra John starboard. So of course Outeridge
was on port side helming in Barcelona. He now will
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start the boat on starboard. And again I look that
hardcore team part of Emirates Ty New Zealand are still
going to be. They're tough, They've got some very very
good sailors with Maloney and I think Andy Maloney coming
back from sale GPS with the Brazilians at the moment,
(12:01):
he comes back into the fold, as does Bleartook. So
you know, the hard core other than Berlin is still there.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Does this distance the New Zealand fan base further from
Team New Zealand. They're not bringing through young New Zealand sailors.
I being too precious around this, no, I.
Speaker 9 (12:21):
Can understand that. But there's still ruined You still might
there still might be opportunity for someone young or more
than one young holmeless when to be brought into the fold.
I mean it's not a close shot. This is just
really the start.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Now I would assume of.
Speaker 9 (12:40):
Of Team New Zealand building the team for the defense
in twenty twenty seven, I would still be hopeful that,
you know, some of those young forty niner guys might
get a shot.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Would like to think. So, I suppose there's a not
necessarily a fine line, but enough between looking at New
Zealand and bringing talent through and actually winning. I suppose
in something like America's Cup, out winning isn't it. It's
got to win.
Speaker 9 (13:08):
I mean, and you know, unashamably, Team News Zealand are
the most successful team in the mod America's Cup in
terms of winning and and certainly I could see them
riding on the whiteboard very very early on. They've won
it three times in a row. They'll want to try
and set the team up to win it a fourth
time in a row, which would be a phenomenal record
(13:30):
in terms of the America's Cup.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
In fact, no one's done that.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
We've got the breakdown on sports talks.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Would be phenomenal. Peter last of their from America's Cup
sailor pundit now for this regatta that's been going award
one hundred and seventy something years. Crazy stuff. Now, this
is an interesting balance, this fine line, if you will,
and leaning toward what's the most important thing for Team
(14:06):
New Zealand, what's the most important thing for us being
fans of Team New Zealand. Now Nathan now was not
a citizen. He's got residency. I believe that's the case.
It's got qui wife and keep kids over here. It's great.
So when I said he straddled, he was my Ozzie
New Zealander, so an anzac, so good. And then we've
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got the English guy coming on and when the protocol
comes out we'll know a little more about what the
structure actually is. How important is it for you that
these are all kiwis on board this boat or as
the ship sailed so much that it doesn't matter anymore.
It's such a stretch now between that team and us
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compared to the healthy in days of thirty years ago,
that it simply doesn't matter. And a lot of the parochal,
parochial darce that gets his neckers in are not about things.
It's like I want to see New Zealanders. I want
to see the last bastion of Kiwi on this boat
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because I feel attached. I don't feel like they're me anymore.
I maybe if the government gave him a pile of money,
they would feel more attached to me. But it's the case.
But was it more important that they actually under the flag?
If you will win, what's more important to you? Oh?
(15:37):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty? What's more important to you
around this? Is it bringing New Zealand sailors through, Is
it showing the world that all of our sailors are
the skinny or is it just simply about winning and
take anybody we can in order to win? How does
that make you feel? As a Kiwi sports fan, I'm
(15:58):
really interested in this. I can say that I'm kind
of twisted between the two because I love to win.
I love winning and look, when the Americas came on,
it sounds like I've had a vendetta against somebody. Blood
you haven't, Okay, just say you know Australia way is
up in the middle of the night watching it because
it's fantastic. It's incredible to what I loved it when
they won. I just struggle with the tenuous link between
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us and that team. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
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Speaker 1 (16:42):
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Speaker 2 (17:04):
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(17:25):
your thoughts here. There's a mixture of thoughts over the
text line. But as per I do like to get
on the telephone.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
That Trevor, Nah's how are you mate?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I'm very well, I'm standing up, I'm above ground. I'm great.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Oh that's dead right. That's always an thing like that. Hey,
this America's Cup. I mean I feel yeah great. Goldtwan
can do what he wants for it really, but you know,
I think it's a bit douglish really when we gave
him a go over the being affected by COVID and
it cost us money, he didn't give us like a
you know another go to try and make a bit
(18:00):
of money in there, and you know it's all under
the pretense it's so expensive you can get all your money.
You know, you gotta get all the money you want
to win it. Well, I just ask New Zealanders. So
if somebody comes along and offers that grand olden zillions
of dollars, to call.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It team.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Tesla, team whatever, team something, not Team New Zealand. But
New Zealand's still say oh yeah, but grant it's all
about you need money to win the America's cut. I
can understand why he's not calling it Team New Zealand anymore.
I mean, how tenuous does there have to be before?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I don't know that I'm trying to ascertain from sports
fans out there, because some people say, no, it's started
to hear it is ours. Most of the crew are
from New Zealand. They do have the flag and yeah,
I'm standing by the words. Other people go, no, we
feel short changed by you guys. You go stay over there,
so we your average sports fans sits here A Trevor's
is what I'm interested in.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Well, I think over sports fans are more and more
losing and of course you got people in the yachting
that really really love it. But as you say, it's
got the flag there. But some of those teams aren't
called after countries from country, but their names are big
business people that own them in that and as I
say so, I just get a filling with Grant ever
since he's taking it over. It's all about money and
(19:16):
fair enough because that's what you have to do on OA.
Well yeah, okay, so what says it's not called Team
Newsaland anymore and New Zealand is still going to get
excited about it. I don't be billion dollars to call
it something else.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I don't know. I have always here we would yes,
because there's something that I often say it to be
it to see it and the rest of it right,
and it brings people and they go, I want to
do this like what happened in the sale GP. That's
different because that really is country v country. That's that's
they've got that they know what they're doing there.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah yeah, no, I just think that we won't say
in New Zealand again and it it won't be called
Team New Zealand anymore. And if people want to follow
it they can, but I don't know how strong with
people linked for it's not called ta New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Thanks very much for your text. You'll call a lot
of people text again saying very similar like this, we
need to strive to beat the USA a C record
one hundred and thirty two years before we can be
the best. Well I've been doing talk back about that,
that's for sure. Yeah, thanks very much for your text.
Speaker 10 (20:25):
Moving through nagaday ed, Hey, how you doing coming about
with sailing? New Zealand's got to be sailors. Look at
Sir Peter or Black. I mean he was a legion
and sailing, you know, and this whole family is very good.
So and I just say, always support America's Cup. Even
though we don't care of the name with it anymore,
(20:47):
we still got a good sailors in the country.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Okay, So for you, the name or the makeup of
the crew isn't overly important as long as it's predominantly
New Zealanders.
Speaker 10 (20:59):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean money does talk, and
that's what it is. And we can't afford to have
it here ever again, and that's all that is. But hey,
he's struggling in New Zealand for money in New Zealand
for everything, so we can't afford Amritas cover here.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So if the government pitching a hold of the money,
You're like, mate, we could be spending that somewhere else.
I actually find that offensive and a lot of people
take that line.
Speaker 10 (21:23):
They won't they won't New Zealand government will not put
money into us.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
So many the government won't put money into anything.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I know.
Speaker 10 (21:31):
I that's some problem.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Bron And like like myself, You're like, I'll watch it
regardless because I'm a sports edit. You can't help myselves.
When it's on, I'm like, yeah, a lot of what
I need, But when it's on, I'm.
Speaker 10 (21:47):
On right, Yeah, it's a New Zealand crew. And support
the boat, you know, don't worry about the sponsorship of
that's all New Zealand's on the boat. So support for them.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Nice work. Thanks very much for your call. Much appreciated.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
No.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty. It is seven thirty one,
plenty of texts. I'd love to go through them all,
but I like telephone calls.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Hi.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
Greg, Just to use maybe a phrase you've already used,
but I really think where the America's Cups concerned the
ship has sailed, So where does that scept for you?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Thus far as supporting, it doesn't even matter.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
I'll still support them obviously, what when they're racing, because
they are for front of our mind, and I think
the eligibility rule that they seem to going to have
in place doesn't completely bother me. It would be nice
for them to promote some young guys, which they may do,
(22:57):
and put them in a and i'll say, an apprentice
type role.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
America's Cup Well, there's still a couple of years away anyway,
isn't it. It's still not like tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
No, yeah, so there's there's still that opportunity for the
young sailors to learn of the old heads and that
sort of thing. But I think the biggest thing is money.
And Dalton. Dalton has a passion. You know, it's his
(23:28):
it's his baby. I mean, it was Peter Blake's baby.
And I think going back to the time when life
was a lot simpler, the boats were a lot simpler,
a lot a lot of people could probably you know,
resonate a little bit more than they can these days.
Because I look at those boats and I'm just in
(23:50):
complete awe of them. How do how do they get
up them?
Speaker 2 (23:57):
The tents extraordinary. You go back and think about this
and think twenty years ago and someone said I actually
they're going to be moniles on thins.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
It just.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
Yeah. And that's also another thing to maybe look at
the the amount of tech that there is and it's
all coming out of New Zealand, that that's actually good
for New Zealand sailing because we're we're always at the
forefront of things for those who are outside of New Zealand,
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and that's a that's a great earner for New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
So essentially, even though there is not the biggest link overseas,
people look to this and go that's the New Zealand team.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
They rock.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Look at what they can do, look at their technology,
look at their innovation, look at their sailors because buying lives,
they're all ours and that's well, so it probably works
well better for people looking in than us looking out.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Yeah, And I mean New Zealand is always you know,
we want to we have tall poppy syndrome. You know,
everybody has a go at Dalton, but Dalton's the glue.
You know, He's kept that team together he's kept New
Zealand to the forefront of America's Cup.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I don't think there's any doubt about that. I think
that there's a lot of people get rankled by the
fact that you said a lot of things about it
being here and staying here, and you're up and gone
and you're never coming back, and I think that puts
a lot of people's noses out of joint. I get
his perspective. I understand what he's doing perfectly fair. His
team is whatever. But maybe I'm too old school when
(25:37):
I just heart back for the days when you know
the crowds were there and you go along and you
watch it was like, this is ours, this is part
of what the America's Cup is. You win it and
then you get defend it at home, and I don't
ever see it coming back again because because money, it's
just too big. The oligarchs are all over us.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
Yeah. Well, like I've heard people talk about the what's
that other series, sol GP, sal GP, and they say, yeah,
we can host that, right, but we only host it
for a week. They don't look at the big picture
that if you've got the America's Cup here, what are
(26:18):
you talking three months? Six months well, and.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
The money coming in from the super yochts and so
on and so forth. But again, who funds out who
pays that? Would people be in Greek? Thanks very much
for your call. We're going to move on. But how
satisfied would people be if because they're seen, as you know,
the wealthy guys having fun right on a boat, if
they sailed in galleons and had cannons and planks, it
might be more interesting, right, But they people would be
(26:46):
I understand they'd be upset if suddenly they goes too.
I have one hundred mil I mean a wider scale,
one hundred mills, nothing to the government, right, that lot
for us, not for them. But I can understand people
getting their noses out of jointing, going, hey, it's it's
difficult this news talks. He'd be more of a of course,
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still to come twenty four minutes away from eight. Balen
Sullivan that joins the show eventually, once we've stopped talking
about sailing around in the organ getting our kicks on
the briny deep. This is news talks.
Speaker 11 (27:28):
I can hear you and my head when I'm dreaming,
you trying to me my dream, my skin, telling you
where you can go.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
When you're late, you still be. This is a sports
talk second night running talking America's Cut, very different to
last night. Nathan Atridge has been named as the skip.
Of course he was in intrinsic and what happened when
they defended second time held it on? That's that's three
times on the bounce. He's old family mostulation close enough?
(28:11):
Now far do we go there with this eligibility? And
how important it is for you that there is some
connection that's a lot more palpable than what we have
now because it's so distant. Well, I keep going great
pains here. I love the competition. I think it's amazing.
(28:32):
I just feel so alone, just empty a Nico.
Speaker 8 (28:39):
How are you, Darcia? I'm fine, and you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Not so bad. What's on your mind, Darsa?
Speaker 8 (28:46):
I've got four issues here. Dalton is a businessman, so
he's doing what he needs to do as a businessman,
and he's very successful.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Edit correct.
Speaker 8 (28:56):
That's my first point. My second point is, and you
know when dim Barker defended the America's Cup and sadly
lost the last hurdle. If you google that, there was
not a boat on a water that did not have
a Kiwi on it. It doesn't matter what team you
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were in. There was a Kiwi in it.
Speaker 12 (29:20):
And there was even a Kiwi.
Speaker 8 (29:22):
In every design team. So that to me is just
mind blowingly amazing what this small country can achieve.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Now.
Speaker 8 (29:32):
The third thing is New Zealand's boat design. You know,
for a country or five million people, I think I
think we are mind blowingly good at it. We've actually
created the bed off instead of an arm thing.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah there huge.
Speaker 8 (29:56):
And and yeah it's an understatement, but it's bloody amazing.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
Now.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
The fourth thing that's more important to me is the
fact that our skippers are living for sole G. I
could be a sole GP to the New Zealand rugby sevens.
You know, it happens every year, attracts new crowds, so
why would you not go for a money maker there
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instead of waiting every four years for america scup? And
I think that is the problem with America's Cup is
maybe it should be a little bit more frequent, maybe
every two years or something or else. The big bosses
are making money, but the people on the ground and
the people in the water is not making money.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
It's hard, is it? Because I think this is the
propulsion element of the America's Cup is sale GP turning
up and going, look what we're doing now yours what
can you do now in response to this because the
frequency has been problematic, But they also don't want to
turn around and come become sale GP because it's already there.
So over the next few years, how things are tweaked
(31:04):
and how they operate the company tess yet maintaining the
integrity of something that's been around for so long that
is tough, but that the challenge is there for them.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
Niko, it's the same you know the twenty overs in
cricket and the fifty overs and the series the twenty
overs are taking over course, it's more exciting, it's more invigorating,
and I think this is where maybe the America's companies
do just redefine. I don't think to it every year,
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but they need to redefine their parameters and make it
more exciting. Of course, I can tell you every America's
Cup that has been held. I'm getting blown away by
the excitement. Those are amazing, amazing boats.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Niko, You're not no argument with me. I'm a big fan.
And how they transfer what they've seen in CELGP and
the success, the enormous success and the speed of the
success at Russell Coates's hand has been quite extraordinary. So
will move? What do they do now? Because it still
holds a place and when it turns up, we still
(32:10):
go Yeah, Americ scut Man, it's so cool. Get there.
Thanks for your cool. Nicko, Hi Paul, Hi Dusky, how
are you? I'm not so bad? What's up?
Speaker 12 (32:22):
I'm good, I'm good my longtime. Listen to you all
the time when I'm talking to you for a long time.
But hey, listen to the America's Cup. I love the
America's Cup. But for me personally, if it's gonna everybody
tell us how good it is a lot of successful.
Everybody's watching it. Why private business not putting what the
(32:45):
money into it?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Here here in New Zealand.
Speaker 12 (32:50):
Yes, TAXPY has money. No no TXPY as.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Money brand plans to stimulate income. He's got money out
of business to do it. Otherwise he wouldn't wouldn't still
be going.
Speaker 8 (33:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (33:04):
Well, last time the government give them money. And then
when they when gave money said no, we're going overseas
and then they want to come back for more money.
And this national government says no.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Well it was enough because they say, look, there wasn't enough.
We need more otherwise we're going to lose the cup.
We need a lot more in our defense. And I'm sorry,
thanks for offering the money, but that ain't enough. We're leaving.
So there's a theories like would we rather watch them
lose at home or win away? And it's another strange
(33:35):
balance Paul.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Well, the thing is.
Speaker 12 (33:37):
The thing is though, Darssy, if if it was so
good in Barcelona, why Barcelo I don't want it anymore?
If that makes so much money and it was so
good for the kind of move there, why why they
don't want anymore?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Well, I don't know. I'm not the the inner circle
of that. I'm looking at from a basic fan point
of view, Paul on what we get and how a
text we feel to them as a New Zealand's team.
Speaker 12 (33:59):
What are you doing tuxpy as dollars can't spend a
lot of it. I mean, look, how many people want
hit surgery, how many people's school wine.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
It's a nod for me, yeah, absolutely poor and a
lot of people feel that way. Also, they've got to
remember that the government have got a lot of money
and their own They don't have one job to look
after that. They've got to look after all aspects of
New Zealand life and promotion. It's part of what they do.
They have to. And just because they directly take money
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out and give it to sailing, I don't know how
you can take all the money they've got and pay
for all hips that everything else in the world. What
else do you miss out on? Culture, sport, active, all
those other things that are really important to us as
New zlenders. It's a tough one, but and Sullivan joins
us next, he's got five tries of the bench. A
couple of weeks back, he joins us next, Here are
you news talks?
Speaker 1 (34:50):
There be.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Sports talk on news talks, ADM Darcy Autograve. I still
can't get over the fact that super rug he started
with a Hessen a raw and it's still sing and roaring,
really is. Let's join by a guy who definitely heston raws.
A couple of weeks back when his team took a
part the Chiefs amazing how to buy and this week
they're playing the hundreds and joint us now are baling Sullivan.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Hello, Oh, good evening, Good evening, I.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Take it you're well. I'm pretty excited mate. You've been
training for the best part of what what week and
a half? You'd be empty to get actually back on
the park and play again, right, training must be miserable.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Yeah, it's beautiful down the Moneyton at the moment, not cold,
so it's always good to be outside and posting the feed.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
Around on a good day.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Right. I keep getting told that I did live there,
so I'm not entirely sure I believe it, but so
be it. What have they been looking at this week
after what you did a couple of weeks ago where
you you up into the Chiefs. I mean, no one
really saw that coming except Wellingtonian's. But you'd be walking
around like roosters at the moment, wouldn't you to get.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
One over the top of him? You know, it's especially
losing against them the series last year, and you know
it's it's always a dogfight with those guys and to
get on top of them with you know, we're pretty
stoked about it.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Tell us about your cameo because it really was a
freak show. You probably can't believe what happened. You wandered
off the pine and just like stole four tries.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
What the Yeah, to be honest, then I just had
to catch the ball and jump over the line. So
I'll take those any day of the week. But yeah,
it's pretty stoked us before and yeah, hopefully I get
some more this weekend.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
But in case of being in the right space though,
it's all very well saying I just catch the ball
and fall over the line. And we've seen plenty of
times when people can't catch the ball and they make
an absolutely ash of it. But right place, right time,
and you didn't make a mare of it, So you've
got to give yourself some credit, surely. I mean that's
your role, right be there when it really counts.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Yeah, definitely, No, definitely, like not taking anything away from
my special awitness, but you right time, my place. That's perfect.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
How much pressure we got on you now after doing that,
dismissing the Chiefs, getting a week off and now what
you've got to carry it on because you're going to
be playing up in the weekend against the team that's
pretty much out of contention. But there's still hard, hard games,
aren't that. The Highlands will be quite one of a
better word, pessy after this season. They'll be looking to
(37:24):
inflict some pain.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
On your Yeah, no, definitely. I think we'll fin some
really good chats with our team meetings, and you know,
we know what's going to come and what they're going
to bring, especially with being out of contingent for the playoffs.
So I think we've just got to put the stake
down early and they drop to their level and keep
playing out with doing I think you're we're definitely on
the way up compared to last year. We started really
really well last year and then didn't quite punish it.
(37:47):
So I think this year we're actually gonna we're ramping
up to hopefully make that final and do the job
there as well.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Interesting isn't it the timing of their because they've seen
it before in Super rugby where a team waltz is
through unbeaten for ten to twelve matches and then they
stumble at the last. Is that something you address at
the start of the year. So I'm sure you want
to win every game you go into that you'd be
very mindful of facts. Probably not the biggest preparation.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Yeah, no, it's another difficult one to you know, you
always want to win and that's what we play for.
But I think you learn a lot more when you
when you lose, especially against teams that you should have
won against like this, you find you find out a
lot later in the season what your team's actually made off,
especially with boys coming back and from injuries and whatnot.
So yeah, I think you just got to address the
(38:32):
issue and then move on with it, and I guess
keep trying to learn from the wins and the losses
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
So who's back in the fold again? Who have you
got back? Because you've had one massive loss and we'll
talk about that later. But who are the returning kids?
Speaker 4 (38:45):
We've got a few bullies obviously back, and I think
BC's on his way back, so yeah, hopefully you good
to see him. Sorry pick coming, so hopefully you can
see him back out on the field.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, and your nick names don't even know what's going on?
What do they call you? Bling? You b Yes, Oh
that's unfortunate.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
I'm actually there's a few bays Sully from monsters because
here's actually Brad Shields as well. He's no he takes
the cake on no one as well.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
So yeah, what do you what do you prefer? I
don't mind, mister, I'm going to call you, mister saloon.
I'm going to be done with that as well. Mate,
you talked about Billie Proctor, the injection of him back
in the side again huge, He quiet injured, but this
guy is a massive presence in the midfield. It must
be wonderful to have him floating around.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Yeah, like he's a world class player and I'm being
the Plato of the wall break slash year. You know,
you definitely deserve that. And then coming back from injury
and stepping his mike down again. No, it's awesome to
have him back and get back in the fold again.
So he says, injury through for the rest of the season.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
You know, things cross, I hope so for your sake
and for the team's sake. What a camera we go?
How's this guy? What's this guy on? Is he like
this in practice as well? Because most half acts like that, right?
Energizers really really annoying, can be annoying, But geez good,
isn't he's got some game?
Speaker 4 (40:09):
No, he's definitely good. Yeah, both of them world class players.
And Cameron does get has little annoying stages in there,
especially attorneys. And he also picked you up because he's
got so much energy. So no, that's awesome, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Tell us about yourself, Bailan Sullivan, b s Bales, Where
where where are you here? What are you doing? What?
Speaker 1 (40:30):
What?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
What are your aspirations in this game? I mean, you're
not just playing to be a super rugby player. Surely
you want more?
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Yeah, no, for sure. You know I've always inspired aspired
to being All Black, and you know, last year with
injuries kind of sent me back a bit, so I was, yeah,
I was definitely hungry going into this season. All Black
tu is going to be great, But I also still
want to get better as a person and better as
a as a player. So still working there. I'll working
on that as well.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Hurricane bayl and Sullivan joining us on the show. B
s mister Sullivan, whatever you want to call it, what
a thoroughly likable individual, super good dad like talking to
guys like that. They're playing the high Enders over the weekend.
Heigh Enders are as good as out. But there's still
a chance, you're telling me, there's still a chance. Looking
forward to that one. Almost time for us to pack
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up and get out of here. Just running through a
couple of text before we go. America's Cup there is
the unique feature that the holder gets determined that the
next America's Cupard looks like that's the protocol contingent that
its huge expensive requires millions upon millions of dollars. Is
the choice of the holder. It quite easily. You pick
a boat class similar to what was raised ninety ninety five,
and that would much cheaper and more affordable and much
(41:39):
more easy to hold out the home. Do we want that?
Do we want to go backwards? So the formula want
to be a lot cheaper if we went back to
those those fantastic cigar cars from nineteen fifty. Yeah, but
it'd be slow and encumbersome and really killing. No, you
(41:59):
got to go forward. You can't go backwards. It's nuts
or so where Pete Berling's got going? I don't know.
I messing day, Pete. Come on the show and tell
us what you're doing. No, I go I no, No,
didn't go like that. We'll get them eventually, I'm sure
slid them. Rest. Thanks Ants Middlesearch for producing the program.
(42:20):
I'm Darcy water Grape. Thanks for all of your inputs,
positive and negative, because there is some good evening.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Be here we go again. He Hi, Welcome to sports Talk.
(00:47):
I'm Darcy Waldgrove. Seven after seven of this. It's a Wednesday,
fourteenth to May twenty twenty five. It talks four for
the next hour. I'll talk some, Peter Lester will talk some.
I'll talk some more. You'll talk some more. One hundred
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for tray Hero from a week and a half bag
Bat and sull of Thee's got to join us from
Hurricanes taking on the Highlanders over the weekend. Hard case
A hard case. We'll be talking to him later in
the piece. That's our plan. I've got Peter Lester on.
I know we did America's Cup yesterday, but that was
a wandered down memory lane and glorious it was as well,
(01:33):
and thanks to everybody who texted in and rung up
as well. It was a great time to go back
to those simpler days when Red Sox was all it
took to win an America's Cup. Okay, joke, that's not
the case. But there were simple days, weren't they. More
America's Cup coming out today, a changing of the guard.
Now we know who's replacing Peter Berling as they look
(01:57):
toward going four on the bounce, which is extraordinary. And
we'll talk about that and some thoughts around this, and
I'd like your thoughts around this as well. What's more
important for you? What's more important?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Well?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I think I know the answer the second one. What's
more important for you around the naming of this team?
There's a kind of quasi Aussie in there, because you know,
kind of asi kind of New Zealand and a pomp.
How does that sit with you? Is it is it
more important that we actually have some connection back to
New Zealand because that rope that quarter has been stre
(02:37):
so far it's going to snap. There's not a lot
of love in there. Or is it just more important
that they employ whoever they can to win. I know
what they think, it's all about winning, keeping a connection
to New Zealand, But does it kind of sting?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Ay?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Bit stings to me? Oh maybe I'm a bit of
a blouse saying in the nice possible way anyway, Before
any of that, let's still whole lot of this and
in sport today old school outside Welsh Beck is one
of four changes made to the Crusader's side to getting
(03:13):
humbled by the Chiefs. Yeah, humbled. Coach Robert Penny talks
of Johnny McNichols return to the team.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Been there or thereabouts last month, ready to go. We
would have probably given them excess earlier. But our back
three has been operating really efficiently and since Will's injury,
Johnny's the ideal replacement for us.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
An awful season for the Phoenix continues its pain. Gaffer
Gean Carlino Taliano speaks of the team's mental space after
the thankless trip to Darwin, a journey all four bottom
placed A League teams have to make. They're playing the
Brisbane now for a place in the last thirty two
of the Australia Cup.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
We're just going to go into the game trying to
play our best football ourselves. You know, we've had a
disappointing last couple of weeks of the season, but we're
going to try and in a positive and just take
what we can get from this, leading it to the
next season.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
To the NBA. Now a climacity thunder has taken a
step toward the Western Conference Finals by beating the Nuggas
one twelve, one five to take the series lead three
to two. You could strap forty four for the Denver team,
bar to no vail. Game six is on Friday, back
in the Hills, and to tell, we'll travel up the club.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
There's Caminal Geam five for lags to Oklahoma City.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
They come up big.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Tell the stretch once again thanks to ESPN four letting
us lift their content and interim football Firms. Coach Michael
Maine says he's throwing a curveball ahead of next month's
Venezuelan friendly. The recently retired will Pro club Football at
least an only Longo is in mains plots of future.
(04:51):
The plan is to make sure we're building the squad
and what were doing to make sure we're in the
best place possible come twenty seven.
Speaker 8 (04:56):
So for her, we'll keep discussing and assess after tour
and see where she's at.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
And that's let's talk a bit of America's Cup. There's
a lot of changes coming. Protocols are changing. We're joined
now by Peter Lester to talk about that. He joins
us now like Peter Hi Darcy, looking forward as we
(05:21):
always are to every edition of the America's Cup, more
so not the sailing, but the drama behind the scenes.
Are today what one day after the thirtieth anniversary of
that fantastic day over in San Diego, they've announced that
Outridge and Draper adjoining Team New Zealand for the next defense.
(05:43):
I need to know, Peter Lester, where does this sit
as far as eligibility because the laws around this or
there the rules, the protocol, Where does it stand right now?
What are we looking at?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Mate?
Speaker 9 (05:55):
The protocol hasn't been published yet, but I think after
today's announcement what we can assume is that the nationality
rule has been altered in as much and my take
on it right now would be if a non national
of a team has not sailed in the last America's Cup,
(06:16):
that they become eligible, you know, for another country. Now,
that seems to me as though it might have been
a clause that's been added to the protocol for the
thirty eighth America's Cup to try and help out a
line when they were in negotiations with Team New Zealand
(06:37):
and with the Challenger record the Ryal squadron in the UK,
and of course now we know that they've pulled out.
But I think today with Chris Japher, who's a brit
being signed by Emirates Team New Zealand. Now Chris did
not do the last America's Cup nor the one before,
the one in Auckland. Therefore he has become eligible and
(06:58):
that means that we now know that there will be
a protocol change in terms of nationality. But the protocol
has not been published yet, it's only in the draft form.
But my understanding is the protocol announcement is very close.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Like the tide in and out. I've got to start
with these ridiculous sayings around, sayny, but I can't help myself.
It's movable feasts. It always changes. That is the nature
of the America's Cup. But is this a surprise to
you at all, presuming that you're right around the protocol change.
Speaker 9 (07:29):
Oh no, No, it's the America's Cup, you know, And
that's the intrigue if you're a bit of a you know,
I love I love the America's Cup and i've sort
of it's been my life and you know what's going
on now is completely normal. It's not normal in real life,
a normal sport, but in the game of America's Cup,
it's absolutely normal and it's the sequence of events. So
(07:53):
you know, emrist New Zealand win the Cup, they get
a challenge or a record which is the Royal Squadron.
Then they have this period from the last Cup until
about now where they negotiate the rules for the next Cup,
which will be the third the eighth Cup. Then they
announce the rules, which we call the protocol, and then
from there that opens up the period where entries will
(08:16):
be accepted for the thirty eighth America's Cup from the
challenges and then coupled with that as venue announcements. So
there's a bit happening in the next couple months.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Primarily, Peter Lester, when you look at the adjustments and
changes of the protocol, where is it most likely to
fluctuate to move to bend.
Speaker 9 (08:37):
I think obviously there's been a slight relaxing of the
nationality rule, so that'll be reflected in the protocol. I'll
be interested to see what they've done with some of
the boat changes, the rule, the class rule changes, and
I'll be interested to see whether they've just pulled back
a little bit some of the technology in terms of
(08:59):
the artificial intelligence and the automation on the boat, on
the boats, because we certainly saw in Barcela Owner that
all the boats in fact had quite a high level
of automation in terms of some of the functions on board.
Now I think that might be pulled back a little bit,
or I'm hoping it will be pulled back and we'll
(09:19):
see a little bit more sailor input.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Primarily driven by cost, I'd presume, No, I don't yet.
Speaker 9 (09:28):
It's always cost, but the cost is not the drive.
If if you can't afford it, don't play.
Speaker 8 (09:32):
The Americans Cup game.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
But it'll suit. But they need to drag people in.
Surely they want a vibrant there we go again, buoy
in competition. So if they price everybody out of the market,
no one's going to turn up, right.
Speaker 9 (09:46):
I think people turn up. I mean there's there's a
number of very very wealthy syndicates or wealthy billionaire owners,
especially in Europe, who like to play this game. And
and you know the politics of the Americans Cup, there's
nothing new with that. You go right back to New
Yacht Club and what they they hold it held it
(10:07):
for a one hundred and you know, one hundred odd year,
one hundred and fifty seven years. It's just the way
the game is played and that's what makes it so
darn intriguing. And then you know it's one hundred and
seventy four years old, this competition. It's the oldest sporting
trophy and it's that history that makes the cut.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
As far as the fact that we've got out Ridge,
who's very much involved in the gauge of Team New
Zealand has been and Draper coming on board, what does
that say about the quality of young sailors in New
Zealand coming through? Surely to bleed some of these in
after three successful a victory and a couple of defenses,
(10:47):
the time will be right to look at some New
Zealand talent. It must be out there. It's like, it's
not like we landlocked Peter's this talent out there to
climb up to the next level.
Speaker 9 (10:58):
Yeah, I think there is talent. There's some young ones.
Will mackenzie who got silver at the last Games and
the forty nine o'class and Isac McCarty there talented forty
nine A sailors and that it's that class, that Olympic
skiff class where some of this talent comes from. Maybe
they're still a wee bit young. And you know Sam
(11:19):
Meach is in there, Andy Maloney and obviously Chris Draper,
so one of those I think now you'd have to say,
will step up to be on the port side steering
along with Nathan outra John starboard. So of course Outeridge
was on port side helming in Barcelona. He now will
(11:41):
start the boat on starboard. And again I look that
hardcore team part of Emirates Ty New Zealand are still
going to be. They're tough, They've got some very very
good sailors with Maloney and I think Andy Maloney coming
back from sale GPS with the Brazilians at the moment,
(12:01):
he comes back into the fold, as does Bleartook. So
you know, the hard core other than Berlin is still there.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Does this distance the New Zealand fan base further from
Team New Zealand. They're not bringing through young New Zealand sailors.
I being too precious around this, no, I.
Speaker 9 (12:21):
Can understand that. But there's still ruined You still might
there still might be opportunity for someone young or more
than one young holmeless when to be brought into the fold.
I mean it's not a close shot. This is just
really the start.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Now I would assume of.
Speaker 9 (12:40):
Of Team New Zealand building the team for the defense
in twenty twenty seven, I would still be hopeful that,
you know, some of those young forty niner guys might
get a shot.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Would like to think. So, I suppose there's a not
necessarily a fine line, but enough between looking at New
Zealand and bringing talent through and actually winning. I suppose
in something like America's Cup, out winning isn't it. It's
got to win.
Speaker 9 (13:08):
I mean, and you know, unashamably, Team News Zealand are
the most successful team in the mod America's Cup in
terms of winning and and certainly I could see them
riding on the whiteboard very very early on. They've won
it three times in a row. They'll want to try
and set the team up to win it a fourth
time in a row, which would be a phenomenal record
(13:30):
in terms of the America's Cup.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
In fact, no one's done that.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
We've got the breakdown on sports talks.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Would be phenomenal. Peter last of their from America's Cup
sailor pundit now for this regatta that's been going award
one hundred and seventy something years. Crazy stuff. Now, this
is an interesting balance, this fine line, if you will,
and leaning toward what's the most important thing for Team
(14:06):
New Zealand, what's the most important thing for us being
fans of Team New Zealand. Now Nathan now was not
a citizen. He's got residency. I believe that's the case.
It's got qui wife and keep kids over here. It's great.
So when I said he straddled, he was my Ozzie
New Zealander, so an anzac, so good. And then we've
(14:28):
got the English guy coming on and when the protocol
comes out we'll know a little more about what the
structure actually is. How important is it for you that
these are all kiwis on board this boat or as
the ship sailed so much that it doesn't matter anymore.
It's such a stretch now between that team and us
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compared to the healthy in days of thirty years ago,
that it simply doesn't matter. And a lot of the parochal,
parochial darce that gets his neckers in are not about things.
It's like I want to see New Zealanders. I want
to see the last bastion of Kiwi on this boat
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because I feel attached. I don't feel like they're me anymore.
I maybe if the government gave him a pile of money,
they would feel more attached to me. But it's the case.
But was it more important that they actually under the flag?
If you will win, what's more important to you? Oh?
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Eight hundred eighty ten eighty? What's more important to you
around this? Is it bringing New Zealand sailors through, Is
it showing the world that all of our sailors are
the skinny or is it just simply about winning and
take anybody we can in order to win? How does
that make you feel? As a Kiwi sports fan, I'm
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really interested in this. I can say that I'm kind
of twisted between the two because I love to win.
I love winning and look, when the Americas came on,
it sounds like I've had a vendetta against somebody. Blood
you haven't, Okay, just say you know Australia way is
up in the middle of the night watching it because
it's fantastic. It's incredible to what I loved it when
they won. I just struggle with the tenuous link between
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us and that team. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty lines are open. I'd love your thoughts on this
free phone number nationwide and you can send your text
nineteen nineteen ZBCB it's seven twenty three.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Forget the riffs call you make the call on eight
eighty eight sports talk on your home of sport use
talks it balks.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
See sports salts seven twenty six lines RAVENU eight hundred
and eighteen ten eighteen The text through nineteen ninet two
zuz B Standard text charge does apply. Looking afford to
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your thoughts here. There's a mixture of thoughts over the
text line. But as per I do like to get
on the telephone.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
That Trevor, Nah's how are you mate?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I'm very well, I'm standing up, I'm above ground. I'm great.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Oh that's dead right. That's always an thing like that. Hey,
this America's Cup. I mean I feel yeah great. Goldtwan
can do what he wants for it really, but you know,
I think it's a bit douglish really when we gave
him a go over the being affected by COVID and
it cost us money, he didn't give us like a
you know another go to try and make a bit
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of money in there, and you know it's all under
the pretense it's so expensive you can get all your money.
You know, you gotta get all the money you want
to win it. Well, I just ask New Zealanders. So
if somebody comes along and offers that grand olden zillions
of dollars, to call.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It team.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Tesla, team whatever, team something, not Team New Zealand. But
New Zealand's still say oh yeah, but grant it's all
about you need money to win the America's cut. I
can understand why he's not calling it Team New Zealand anymore.
I mean, how tenuous does there have to be before?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I don't know that I'm trying to ascertain from sports
fans out there, because some people say, no, it's started
to hear it is ours. Most of the crew are
from New Zealand. They do have the flag and yeah,
I'm standing by the words. Other people go, no, we
feel short changed by you guys. You go stay over there,
so we your average sports fans sits here A Trevor's
is what I'm interested in.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Well, I think over sports fans are more and more
losing and of course you got people in the yachting
that really really love it. But as you say, it's
got the flag there. But some of those teams aren't
called after countries from country, but their names are big
business people that own them in that and as I
say so, I just get a filling with Grant ever
since he's taking it over. It's all about money and
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fair enough because that's what you have to do on OA.
Well yeah, okay, so what says it's not called Team
Newsaland anymore and New Zealand is still going to get
excited about it. I don't be billion dollars to call
it something else.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I don't know. I have always here we would yes,
because there's something that I often say it to be
it to see it and the rest of it right,
and it brings people and they go, I want to
do this like what happened in the sale GP. That's
different because that really is country v country. That's that's
they've got that they know what they're doing there.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah yeah, no, I just think that we won't say
in New Zealand again and it it won't be called
Team New Zealand anymore. And if people want to follow
it they can, but I don't know how strong with
people linked for it's not called ta New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Thanks very much for your text. You'll call a lot
of people text again saying very similar like this, we
need to strive to beat the USA a C record
one hundred and thirty two years before we can be
the best. Well I've been doing talk back about that,
that's for sure. Yeah, thanks very much for your text.
Speaker 10 (20:25):
Moving through nagaday ed, Hey, how you doing coming about
with sailing? New Zealand's got to be sailors. Look at
Sir Peter or Black. I mean he was a legion
and sailing, you know, and this whole family is very good.
So and I just say, always support America's Cup. Even
though we don't care of the name with it anymore,
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we still got a good sailors in the country.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Okay, So for you, the name or the makeup of
the crew isn't overly important as long as it's predominantly
New Zealanders.
Speaker 10 (20:59):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean money does talk, and
that's what it is. And we can't afford to have
it here ever again, and that's all that is. But hey,
he's struggling in New Zealand for money in New Zealand
for everything, so we can't afford Amritas cover here.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So if the government pitching a hold of the money,
You're like, mate, we could be spending that somewhere else.
I actually find that offensive and a lot of people
take that line.
Speaker 10 (21:23):
They won't they won't New Zealand government will not put
money into us.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
So many the government won't put money into anything.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I know.
Speaker 10 (21:31):
I that's some problem.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Bron And like like myself, You're like, I'll watch it
regardless because I'm a sports edit. You can't help myselves.
When it's on, I'm like, yeah, a lot of what
I need, But when it's on, I'm.
Speaker 10 (21:47):
On right, Yeah, it's a New Zealand crew. And support
the boat, you know, don't worry about the sponsorship of
that's all New Zealand's on the boat. So support for them.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Nice work. Thanks very much for your call. Much appreciated.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
No.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty. It is seven thirty one,
plenty of texts. I'd love to go through them all,
but I like telephone calls.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Hi.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
Greg, Just to use maybe a phrase you've already used,
but I really think where the America's Cups concerned the
ship has sailed, So where does that scept for you?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Thus far as supporting, it doesn't even matter.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
I'll still support them obviously, what when they're racing, because
they are for front of our mind, and I think
the eligibility rule that they seem to going to have
in place doesn't completely bother me. It would be nice
for them to promote some young guys, which they may do,
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and put them in a and i'll say, an apprentice
type role.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
America's Cup Well, there's still a couple of years away anyway,
isn't it. It's still not like tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
No, yeah, so there's there's still that opportunity for the
young sailors to learn of the old heads and that
sort of thing. But I think the biggest thing is money.
And Dalton. Dalton has a passion. You know, it's his
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it's his baby. I mean, it was Peter Blake's baby.
And I think going back to the time when life
was a lot simpler, the boats were a lot simpler,
a lot a lot of people could probably you know,
resonate a little bit more than they can these days.
Because I look at those boats and I'm just in
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complete awe of them. How do how do they get
up them?
Speaker 2 (23:57):
The tents extraordinary. You go back and think about this
and think twenty years ago and someone said I actually
they're going to be moniles on thins.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
It just.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
Yeah. And that's also another thing to maybe look at
the the amount of tech that there is and it's
all coming out of New Zealand, that that's actually good
for New Zealand sailing because we're we're always at the
forefront of things for those who are outside of New Zealand,
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and that's a that's a great earner for New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
So essentially, even though there is not the biggest link overseas,
people look to this and go that's the New Zealand team.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
They rock.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Look at what they can do, look at their technology,
look at their innovation, look at their sailors because buying lives,
they're all ours and that's well, so it probably works
well better for people looking in than us looking out.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Yeah, And I mean New Zealand is always you know,
we want to we have tall poppy syndrome. You know,
everybody has a go at Dalton, but Dalton's the glue.
You know, He's kept that team together he's kept New
Zealand to the forefront of America's Cup.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I don't think there's any doubt about that. I think
that there's a lot of people get rankled by the
fact that you said a lot of things about it
being here and staying here, and you're up and gone
and you're never coming back, and I think that puts
a lot of people's noses out of joint. I get
his perspective. I understand what he's doing perfectly fair. His
team is whatever. But maybe I'm too old school when
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I just heart back for the days when you know
the crowds were there and you go along and you
watch it was like, this is ours, this is part
of what the America's Cup is. You win it and
then you get defend it at home, and I don't
ever see it coming back again because because money, it's
just too big. The oligarchs are all over us.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
Yeah. Well, like I've heard people talk about the what's
that other series, sol GP, sal GP, and they say, yeah,
we can host that, right, but we only host it
for a week. They don't look at the big picture
that if you've got the America's Cup here, what are
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you talking three months? Six months well, and.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
The money coming in from the super yochts and so
on and so forth. But again, who funds out who
pays that? Would people be in Greek? Thanks very much
for your call. We're going to move on. But how
satisfied would people be if because they're seen, as you know,
the wealthy guys having fun right on a boat, if
they sailed in galleons and had cannons and planks, it
might be more interesting, right, But they people would be
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I understand they'd be upset if suddenly they goes too.
I have one hundred mil I mean a wider scale,
one hundred mills, nothing to the government, right, that lot
for us, not for them. But I can understand people
getting their noses out of jointing, going, hey, it's it's
difficult this news talks. He'd be more of a of course,
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still to come twenty four minutes away from eight. Balen
Sullivan that joins the show eventually, once we've stopped talking
about sailing around in the organ getting our kicks on
the briny deep. This is news talks.
Speaker 11 (27:28):
I can hear you and my head when I'm dreaming,
you trying to me my dream, my skin, telling you
where you can go.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
When you're late, you still be. This is a sports
talk second night running talking America's Cut, very different to
last night. Nathan Atridge has been named as the skip.
Of course he was in intrinsic and what happened when
they defended second time held it on? That's that's three
times on the bounce. He's old family mostulation close enough?
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Now far do we go there with this eligibility? And
how important it is for you that there is some
connection that's a lot more palpable than what we have
now because it's so distant. Well, I keep going great
pains here. I love the competition. I think it's amazing.
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I just feel so alone, just empty a Nico.
Speaker 8 (28:39):
How are you, Darcia? I'm fine, and you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Not so bad. What's on your mind, Darsa?
Speaker 8 (28:46):
I've got four issues here. Dalton is a businessman, so
he's doing what he needs to do as a businessman,
and he's very successful.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Edit correct.
Speaker 8 (28:56):
That's my first point. My second point is, and you
know when dim Barker defended the America's Cup and sadly
lost the last hurdle. If you google that, there was
not a boat on a water that did not have
a Kiwi on it. It doesn't matter what team you
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were in. There was a Kiwi in it.
Speaker 12 (29:20):
And there was even a Kiwi.
Speaker 8 (29:22):
In every design team. So that to me is just
mind blowingly amazing what this small country can achieve.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Now.
Speaker 8 (29:32):
The third thing is New Zealand's boat design. You know,
for a country or five million people, I think I
think we are mind blowingly good at it. We've actually
created the bed off instead of an arm thing.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah there huge.
Speaker 8 (29:56):
And and yeah it's an understatement, but it's bloody amazing.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
Now.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
The fourth thing that's more important to me is the
fact that our skippers are living for sole G. I
could be a sole GP to the New Zealand rugby sevens.
You know, it happens every year, attracts new crowds, so
why would you not go for a money maker there
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instead of waiting every four years for america scup? And
I think that is the problem with America's Cup is
maybe it should be a little bit more frequent, maybe
every two years or something or else. The big bosses
are making money, but the people on the ground and
the people in the water is not making money.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
It's hard, is it? Because I think this is the
propulsion element of the America's Cup is sale GP turning
up and going, look what we're doing now yours what
can you do now in response to this because the
frequency has been problematic, But they also don't want to
turn around and come become sale GP because it's already there.
So over the next few years, how things are tweaked
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and how they operate the company tess yet maintaining the
integrity of something that's been around for so long that
is tough, but that the challenge is there for them.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
Niko, it's the same you know the twenty overs in
cricket and the fifty overs and the series the twenty
overs are taking over course, it's more exciting, it's more invigorating,
and I think this is where maybe the America's companies
do just redefine. I don't think to it every year,
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but they need to redefine their parameters and make it
more exciting. Of course, I can tell you every America's
Cup that has been held. I'm getting blown away by
the excitement. Those are amazing, amazing boats.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Niko, You're not no argument with me. I'm a big fan.
And how they transfer what they've seen in CELGP and
the success, the enormous success and the speed of the
success at Russell Coates's hand has been quite extraordinary. So
will move? What do they do now? Because it still
holds a place and when it turns up, we still
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go Yeah, Americ scut Man, it's so cool. Get there.
Thanks for your cool. Nicko, Hi Paul, Hi Dusky, how
are you? I'm not so bad? What's up?
Speaker 12 (32:22):
I'm good, I'm good my longtime. Listen to you all
the time when I'm talking to you for a long time.
But hey, listen to the America's Cup. I love the
America's Cup. But for me personally, if it's gonna everybody
tell us how good it is a lot of successful.
Everybody's watching it. Why private business not putting what the
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money into it?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Here here in New Zealand.
Speaker 12 (32:50):
Yes, TAXPY has money. No no TXPY as.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Money brand plans to stimulate income. He's got money out
of business to do it. Otherwise he wouldn't wouldn't still
be going.
Speaker 8 (33:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (33:04):
Well, last time the government give them money. And then
when they when gave money said no, we're going overseas
and then they want to come back for more money.
And this national government says no.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Well it was enough because they say, look, there wasn't enough.
We need more otherwise we're going to lose the cup.
We need a lot more in our defense. And I'm sorry,
thanks for offering the money, but that ain't enough. We're leaving.
So there's a theories like would we rather watch them
lose at home or win away? And it's another strange
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balance Paul.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Well, the thing is.
Speaker 12 (33:37):
The thing is though, Darssy, if if it was so
good in Barcelona, why Barcelo I don't want it anymore?
If that makes so much money and it was so
good for the kind of move there, why why they
don't want anymore?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Well, I don't know. I'm not the the inner circle
of that. I'm looking at from a basic fan point
of view, Paul on what we get and how a
text we feel to them as a New Zealand's team.
Speaker 12 (33:59):
What are you doing tuxpy as dollars can't spend a
lot of it. I mean, look, how many people want
hit surgery, how many people's school wine.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
It's a nod for me, yeah, absolutely poor and a
lot of people feel that way. Also, they've got to
remember that the government have got a lot of money
and their own They don't have one job to look
after that. They've got to look after all aspects of
New Zealand life and promotion. It's part of what they do.
They have to. And just because they directly take money
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out and give it to sailing, I don't know how
you can take all the money they've got and pay
for all hips that everything else in the world. What
else do you miss out on? Culture, sport, active, all
those other things that are really important to us as
New zlenders. It's a tough one, but and Sullivan joins
us next, he's got five tries of the bench. A
couple of weeks back, he joins us next, Here are
you news talks?
Speaker 1 (34:50):
There be.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Sports talk on news talks, ADM Darcy Autograve. I still
can't get over the fact that super rug he started
with a Hessen a raw and it's still sing and roaring,
really is. Let's join by a guy who definitely heston raws.
A couple of weeks back when his team took a
part the Chiefs amazing how to buy and this week
they're playing the hundreds and joint us now are baling Sullivan.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Hello, Oh, good evening, Good evening, I.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Take it you're well. I'm pretty excited mate. You've been
training for the best part of what what week and
a half? You'd be empty to get actually back on
the park and play again, right, training must be miserable.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Yeah, it's beautiful down the Moneyton at the moment, not cold,
so it's always good to be outside and posting the feed.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
Around on a good day.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Right. I keep getting told that I did live there,
so I'm not entirely sure I believe it, but so
be it. What have they been looking at this week
after what you did a couple of weeks ago where
you you up into the Chiefs. I mean, no one
really saw that coming except Wellingtonian's. But you'd be walking
around like roosters at the moment, wouldn't you to get.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
One over the top of him? You know, it's especially
losing against them the series last year, and you know
it's it's always a dogfight with those guys and to
get on top of them with you know, we're pretty
stoked about it.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Tell us about your cameo because it really was a
freak show. You probably can't believe what happened. You wandered
off the pine and just like stole four tries.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
What the Yeah, to be honest, then I just had
to catch the ball and jump over the line. So
I'll take those any day of the week. But yeah,
it's pretty stoked us before and yeah, hopefully I get
some more this weekend.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
But in case of being in the right space though,
it's all very well saying I just catch the ball
and fall over the line. And we've seen plenty of
times when people can't catch the ball and they make
an absolutely ash of it. But right place, right time,
and you didn't make a mare of it, So you've
got to give yourself some credit, surely. I mean that's
your role, right be there when it really counts.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Yeah, definitely, No, definitely, like not taking anything away from
my special awitness, but you right time, my place. That's perfect.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
How much pressure we got on you now after doing that,
dismissing the Chiefs, getting a week off and now what
you've got to carry it on because you're going to
be playing up in the weekend against the team that's
pretty much out of contention. But there's still hard, hard games,
aren't that. The Highlands will be quite one of a
better word, pessy after this season. They'll be looking to
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inflict some pain.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
On your Yeah, no, definitely. I think we'll fin some
really good chats with our team meetings, and you know,
we know what's going to come and what they're going
to bring, especially with being out of contingent for the playoffs.
So I think we've just got to put the stake
down early and they drop to their level and keep
playing out with doing I think you're we're definitely on
the way up compared to last year. We started really
really well last year and then didn't quite punish it.
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So I think this year we're actually gonna we're ramping
up to hopefully make that final and do the job
there as well.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Interesting isn't it the timing of their because they've seen
it before in Super rugby where a team waltz is
through unbeaten for ten to twelve matches and then they
stumble at the last. Is that something you address at
the start of the year. So I'm sure you want
to win every game you go into that you'd be
very mindful of facts. Probably not the biggest preparation.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Yeah, no, it's another difficult one to you know, you
always want to win and that's what we play for.
But I think you learn a lot more when you
when you lose, especially against teams that you should have
won against like this, you find you find out a
lot later in the season what your team's actually made off,
especially with boys coming back and from injuries and whatnot.
So yeah, I think you just got to address the
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issue and then move on with it, and I guess
keep trying to learn from the wins and the losses
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
So who's back in the fold again? Who have you
got back? Because you've had one massive loss and we'll
talk about that later. But who are the returning kids?
Speaker 4 (38:45):
We've got a few bullies obviously back, and I think
BC's on his way back, so yeah, hopefully you good
to see him. Sorry pick coming, so hopefully you can
see him back out on the field.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, and your nick names don't even know what's going on?
What do they call you? Bling? You b Yes, Oh
that's unfortunate.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
I'm actually there's a few bays Sully from monsters because
here's actually Brad Shields as well. He's no he takes
the cake on no one as well.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
So yeah, what do you what do you prefer? I
don't mind, mister, I'm going to call you, mister saloon.
I'm going to be done with that as well. Mate,
you talked about Billie Proctor, the injection of him back
in the side again huge, He quiet injured, but this
guy is a massive presence in the midfield. It must
be wonderful to have him floating around.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Yeah, like he's a world class player and I'm being
the Plato of the wall break slash year. You know,
you definitely deserve that. And then coming back from injury
and stepping his mike down again. No, it's awesome to
have him back and get back in the fold again.
So he says, injury through for the rest of the season.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
You know, things cross, I hope so for your sake
and for the team's sake. What a camera we go?
How's this guy? What's this guy on? Is he like
this in practice as well? Because most half acts like that, right?
Energizers really really annoying, can be annoying, But geez good,
isn't he's got some game?
Speaker 4 (40:09):
No, he's definitely good. Yeah, both of them world class players.
And Cameron does get has little annoying stages in there,
especially attorneys. And he also picked you up because he's
got so much energy. So no, that's awesome, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Tell us about yourself, Bailan Sullivan, b s Bales, Where
where where are you here? What are you doing? What?
Speaker 1 (40:30):
What?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
What are your aspirations in this game? I mean, you're
not just playing to be a super rugby player. Surely
you want more?
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Yeah, no, for sure. You know I've always inspired aspired
to being All Black, and you know, last year with
injuries kind of sent me back a bit, so I was, yeah,
I was definitely hungry going into this season. All Black
tu is going to be great, But I also still
want to get better as a person and better as
a as a player. So still working there. I'll working
on that as well.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Hurricane bayl and Sullivan joining us on the show. B
s mister Sullivan, whatever you want to call it, what
a thoroughly likable individual, super good dad like talking to
guys like that. They're playing the high Enders over the weekend.
Heigh Enders are as good as out. But there's still
a chance, you're telling me, there's still a chance. Looking
forward to that one. Almost time for us to pack
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up and get out of here. Just running through a
couple of text before we go. America's Cup there is
the unique feature that the holder gets determined that the
next America's Cupard looks like that's the protocol contingent that
its huge expensive requires millions upon millions of dollars. Is
the choice of the holder. It quite easily. You pick
a boat class similar to what was raised ninety ninety five,
and that would much cheaper and more affordable and much
(41:39):
more easy to hold out the home. Do we want that?
Do we want to go backwards? So the formula want
to be a lot cheaper if we went back to
those those fantastic cigar cars from nineteen fifty. Yeah, but
it'd be slow and encumbersome and really killing. No, you
(41:59):
got to go forward. You can't go backwards. It's nuts
or so where Pete Berling's got going? I don't know.
I messing day, Pete. Come on the show and tell
us what you're doing. No, I go I no, No,
didn't go like that. We'll get them eventually, I'm sure
slid them. Rest. Thanks Ants Middlesearch for producing the program.
(42:20):
I'm Darcy water Grape. Thanks for all of your inputs,
positive and negative, because there is some good evening.
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